I've owned both and I give the nod to the 650 for better economy, lower cost, and smoother engine. Either way, you're riding one of the best values in motorcycling: durability, versatility, performance, sportiness, COMFOFT, and just plain FUN! V-Stroms ROCK!
I'm planning to buy a 650 XT how good is the suspension for some jumps, and whats is the deepest it can go through water and finally are the brakes reliable?
It's no dirt bike, but it's pretty competent for mild off-roading. I've seen some videos where the bike is half under water and still chugging through. At 460/520 lbs, they're among the lightest adv bikes, but you're not going to get much height on your jumps. They're best kept on dry fire roads or hard-packed gravel roads; putting on a set of knobbies increases their capabilities. 80/20! Watch nutnfancy's review of his DL1000 in the Utah desert. ua-cam.com/video/pULTs4jSiKA/v-deo.html
Absolutly agree...as a commuter in the 650 are better than a dl1000, it runs cheaper in fuel economy and the engien are smoother. On long trips fully packed l do miss some horsepower but it vil still take you to the end of the world and back...that said..l have old 04 dl650 and l know the new one are better.. I just love mye old girl
@@toby7504 You will always like the one you are on at the moment, but one is better for short runninging around and one is better for longer trips, especially if loaded up. If you are going to load it up and go long, the the 1000....if you won't load it up and rarely go long, then the 650 really is a star.
A terrific, down-to-earth real life comparison of the two V's. Personally I was back and forth between the two and this video really helped me settle on the DL650. The real life first-person perspective shown in this review gives viewers a narrated vantage point, as if you are right there riding the machine. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this and found it helpful and informative. Thanks for putting in the effort to make this.
This comparison has withstood the test of time; worth the watch if you’re deciding between the two ‘Stroms. After having purchased three new 650 ‘Stroms (‘09, ‘12, ‘15) with a combined odometer reading a tad under 200 000 kilometers, yesterday I came close to buying a new 1000cc ‘Strom. It was a great deal, and is a great bike. The only problem was, I rode my 650 to and from the demo ride and that sealed it for me. As far as V-Stroms go, the 650 is a jewel . . . and a keeper.
I have a 2007 650 V-Strom.... 91,000 miles and counting.... i'd buy another one tomorrow... Its been great! I've been coast to coast and back and forth to work when there's not snow on the ground (MN, USA)
I have a 2008 wee Strom and have really loved riding it. 68000 miles and I still love it it’s a bit weak for 2 up in hilly terrain but will cruise all day long at legal speeds with two 200 lb riders. It’s a really good bike
Thanks for the review, bloody ripper. I bought the 1000, I'm a tall fella 6'3, when I sat on it, it felt right. Wife says it's comfy on pillion as well.
Love my 2017 V-Strom 650 XT rides like a dream and being short I love the height and the weight of the bike. My previous bike was a BMW G650GS (which I love) but this is way more performance oriented. 1000 is amazing just a little to big for me height. Can't go wrong with a V-Strom. Great video!!
I tip my hat. Good analysis of the strengths of these machines. I've owned an SV650 for almost a decade and it is brilliant but has its limitations. If you're new to riding and want to do day trips/commute? The 650 is it. If you want to get out of dodge and see the world? 1000 all day. It's all about how you're going to use it. I'd recommend and own both but I'm ready for the 1000cc. He nailed it though. Thanks for the comparison.
At 67 I bought the first motorbike I owned since my twenties a Vstrom 650. It suits me perfectly for general commuting, the occasional gravel road and the camping tours I do around the South Island (New Zealand). Budget was a consideration as was economy, straight line performance wasn’t, comfort was and I dont ride two up. The thought of the performance of a litre bike scares the crap out of me. So for me the 650 is perfect for others as ‘spicy110’ says it is a matter of choosing the rignt bike for YOU. A replacement bike a V-Strom 650 for me every time.
I test drove both as well, but 650 first and 1000 after. My thoughts: Both are solid bikes, but 650 is all you'll ever need. Fast enough for roads, comfy, well balanced, does everything well. 1000 is exactly the same, but with stronger engine, they even look exactly the same now. The only thing to separate them is 650 or 1000 emblem near the seat. To me the answer is simple, if you have more money to spend or really want that extra oomph when you open the throttle, buy 1000. For everybody else 650 is the way to go. Simples!
I've been looking at used dl650s in my area, decent price and it seems like a good first road bike. I'd be mainly using it for commute, camping, and joy rides but I'm not a large man (6' 170lbs) and I think the 1000 would be a tad overkill for me.
I'm 6'2in 270 lbs and I love my 650 I have 35,000 miles on mine and it is great bike, I have ridden the 1000 and and found no need for it for my type of riding. The only off roading I do is hard packed dirt stateland roads but I do cruise at an indicated 75mph when I'm on a four lane highway
I was debating on the 650 as an option for my first 'big' bike after I pass my test, and you've settled me on it. Everything you've said has confirmed it's the bike for me!
I have a '19 650XT, love love love it. Traction control is great (saved my ass when I ran wide in a turn onto gravel). ABS is good. It's pretty fast, can hit nearly 70mph in 1st gear (although you'll probably red line). I'm averageing about 49 miles to the gallon, but I generally ride a gear lower than I can be in (like the feel). You can actually use the higher gears in decently low speeds if you wanna save more gas. I put some tank grips on it, engine guard, top case. It's almost ready for cross country. Not sure why, but only downside to me is I can't find the warning light. I've seen that it's close to the ignition button on most models, but I just don't see it on mine, whatever, minor quip. It feels really good. Good seat, good suspension, comfy.
I've used the V-Strom 1000 in Australia, and bought a V-Strom 650 in the U.K. I am not of the "dainty, compact" build; so the main difference I find is that the 650 goes quite a lot further on a tank of fuel. The 1000 of course had more performance, but I felt the extra weight on essentially the same frame was just that bit too much. I find I use a bit more rev's on the 650, but given mostly touring and traffic, no real difference.
Great reviews. I'm headed off to my own local dealer to pick up a 2020 650 Adventure model in a couple of hours. Can't wait. You got me thinking that it won't be too long until I put out a change jar to start saving up for the 1000 in a few seasons.
Great review of both machines. I have the 1000 and just love it. I live in Australia and the distances are covered so easily and comfortably on this bike. Factory cruise control would be great, but there are plenty of after market options out there. Stay upright mate, subscribed.
My first bike was a 2006 V-Strom 650. After that I got a K13000 GT. I miss the V-Strom, so flickable in the twisties and easy to maintain. I think if I had to select I would go with the 1000 though. Both motors sounded nice on the videos. Nice job!
Ive owned a 2015 V-strom 650 since new very good fun bike out in the hilly country rds near me and for work I also load it right up and go fishing on it ive thought its an underrated machine as but people who own them seem to keep them and there a strong owners group because of that. As for the height thing there is a peg lower kit for it and also the 1000cc saddle will fit on the 650, on the older models the seat is much taller for the bigger bikes and many shorties and tall rider will aactually swap seats in the owners groups
I'm so glad you did this comparison, my local Suzuki dealer only has the 650 for demo and I loved it. Always thought the 1000 would be a little big for me at 5'10" and considering most of the time I would be using it for commuting and country lane blasting I think the 650 will be more than enough.
Big is pro, not con. Dunno why people use that argument as if big bike is something bad. Especially in us where roads are huge and you have lot of space everywhere. Im 180 and 1000 is perfect for me. Even if you 170 ull still be fine with big one, its not ktm, its very civilized and user friendly machinr
I want to congratulate you for an exceptional presentation. If any ones interested, which I doubt, my choice is the 650, purely because I will be doing the twisties more than highway. Thank you so much. Plus, less fuel, less insurance and less weight. Well done friend.
Don't forget the substantial difference in insurance fees and miles per gallon, as well as no need for premium fuel, all in favor of the 650. That being said I own a 1000 and I love it!
Can't answer it accurately as I haven't ridden the 650. I used to have a Transalp (600 cc) back in the day, and the 1000 is a way better motorcycle overall. Like 20 -30 years worth of innovation better. Having said that if I was to go around the world, I would pick something smaller, simpler and cheaper, like the Transalp or the 650 or KLR.
gerloczyek i have 650 and am getting 59 mpg at the min riding a commute can go down to 50 when riding for fun. 1000 did 35mpg when on test ride for me lol. im 6ft5 20st so could do better figures for more slender peeps lol
gerloczyek I see the compression for both the 650 and 1000 are very similar . 11.2 and 11.5 if I remember. Can anyone explain to me why the 1000 needs premium and 650 can go with regular when both have almost exactly the same compression? I live in South America. Fuel is here is crap.
Everyone has their own preference. I had both the SV650 and the SV1000. When I decided I wanted a V-Strom there was only one option for me...1000 all day long. My bike is a hobby and not a daily commuter so I don't place any emphasis on fuel economy or running costs. I ride my bike for the thrill and I'm happy to pay a little bit extra for the experience. My 2015 DL1000 Desert Edition still produces over 50mpg and I couldn't care less about the cost. If it was delivering 30mpg I'd still choose it.
Watching this I want a 650. But I already have the 1000 and there is no way I'd sell that.... I felt this was a good, accurate reflection on the 1000 (never ridden the 650). I'd just add that I do regular distance touring with my wife and it works just great for that. In fact the Mrs doesn't really want to pillion any of my other bikes. I owned a 2007 DL1000 for 7 years and loved it, then test rode quite a few other bikes in this genre and was impressed by them all in different ways, but in the end the new V was the best for me, particularly taking into consideration value for money. The new V is as good as the old, but better in every way you'd want.
@@impact0r true new one looks aweful. If id buy such new expensive bike id buy 2017 africa twin as a do it all. Currently have one 640ktm for dual sport and dl1000 for road cruising and everyday comfort
1000 all the way - unless you're a penny pincher. I put almost 20k miles on a 650 and now have over 20k miles on big V. Loved the 650 when i had it, but could never go back now. Besides more power, the 1K has better suspension, brakes, ergos, and handling. Get the 650 for saving pennies on gas.
I test rode both and chose the 650. I guess it depends on what you're using it for and where. I live in Colorado. The twisties and fire roads just felt so much better on the 650. I could easily see the 1000 as a wonderful tourer.
I’ve done a lot of research comparing the 1000 and 650 and found this video to be the most useful in its assessment of the character of each bike as well as the circumstances in which one might choose one over the other. I put my order in on a new 650 XTA today based on my height (5’10”), the fact that I drive mostly on my own and my preferred venue for driving is winding country highways. My last bike was a bmw r1200GS - a lovely engineered machine but quite a big machine. I’m missing the ‘carving ski’ element that I think the 650 will offer - I thought long and hard about the 1000 (and don’t think you can make a mistake in either choice...) but ultimately decided that ‘less may be more’ and flingability is a nice feature. Thank you for the excellent set of perspectives that a buyer mulls over...
@@carlosandleon moved on twice since the Vstrom but no it was standard in that respect. Just loaded with all the protection and panniers👍 I had a lot of fun with that bike off road, dropped it twice though and the second time broke some plastics on the fairing on the right hand side. Cost me about £250 in parts and A LOT of time trying to figure out how to take the fairing apart 😅
I love my 2015 DL650, truly an excellent bike, it will cruise all day at 80 mph, goes into 90 mph with no problem, very comfortable, reliable, great gas mileage, etc. I tested a 1000 bike and found I didn't need the extra power at all.
I'm 6-2 and weigh 275 and have ridden my 2014 vstrom 650 43,000 trouble free miles and I love it. It's comfortable with more than enough real world power, It's a keeper. I also have a 2002 Kawasaki 1500 drifter. It rides totally different. I wouldn't sell either one. Love them both.
I do love your reviews - them being done on the same roads I use helps! Had the 2005 DL1000 for several years and are looking at getting another in the next month so this vid was most helpful.
If you can afford the 1000 over the 650, just do it. There are absolutely no negatives with have more torque. Also, what you don't notice at first is that the 1000 has diff suspension, more fairings, more design features, etc... At first glance they look identical, but take a closer look and you'll find that you do actually get more than just a bigger displacement. Either way, Vstroms are amazing.
Think you should have ridden them in reverse order. Had a 2013 650 and have a 2016 1000. The 650 is electric bike smooth and very liveable. Fabulous economy. The 1000 is incredibly torquey - so you can go higher geared and cruise. Also the 1000 is better handling, less top-heavy feeling at slow speed. I have 2 upped both on multi day many thousand mile trips. The 650 is great below 70, but runs out of oomph uphill two up when passing. The 1000 is the better tourer/ 650 is perhaps the better commuter. Yes the 1000s have a slipper.
im 6ft5 and completely agree with your reviews. I bought the 650 with hand guards. i just couldnt justify £60 a month extra for the 1000 before insurance etc. but both bikes are great. good vid
That's why so many more 650s - its cheaper. And then by ownership bias they defend online why its "better" 😂 Damn online advices you can never trust people
Have you ridden the F700 yet? Curious how you feel the vstroms compare to them. I borrowed an F700 from a friend for about a year and really enjoyed it, then I drove my uncle's vstrom 650 briefly while taking a MCY trip with him in Alaska (and I really loved the vstrom too), curious how you feel they compare. I'm stepping down from my Tiger 1200 - it's too fucking big for me. I thought being a near 300lb guy that it wouldn't be too big - it is. It's only good on the hwy and for using shit-loads of power during heavy accel. My g/f isn't the skinniest either so I'm thinking the 650 might be a bit small compared to the 800, but the vstrom 650 felt plenty peppy when I rode it solo when I got on the gas hard. One thing I loved about the 650 in AK is that it sipped gas - got such good mpg compared to anything else - that's nice when gas stops are few and far between. Main would be hwy with few dirt/gravel roads here and there. I'd like to keep it < 1k cc's.
I've recently sold my R1200 GS this Spring and have been doing alot of research on a small group of bikes that might replace it. I found this video to be the best of the many reviews of the 650/1000 Suzuki, particularly since it tries to reconcile the eternal question of 'which machine is the better choice?' The meaning I took away is that either machine is a wonderful choice- and in making your choice you need to apply laser-like discipline to answering the questions "What is the machine to be used for?" AND "Which machine best fits one's particular body type..?." At the end of the day I placed an order for the 2019 650XT based on my height and age (5'10" + 60's) and the fact that I'm primarily a street driver (not much off-road but would like to have capability for dirt and fire roads) and 90% of my time is one the bike alone but wanting to do the occasional trip with my spouse.. All the reviews I went through shared the theme of the reviewer being thoroughly impressed with the 1000 but always possessing a big grin after a day with the 650. I figure at this stage I want something that connects me with the joy of being on a configurable, 'flingable' bike whose evident virtues can make a driver of modest talents (like me) an engaged rider...
JOHN W... So how do you like the 650? I am in a similar place. 60+, want to start riding again etc. Road BMW GS's for 20+ yrs. Want a 1250, but way beyond what I can afford ( retired). Also, BMW shops are closing down in my area and other areas. I have found an almost brand-new 2015 Vstrom 1000. It has less than 100 miles. He bought it a few weeks ago but is to old to ride anymore ( health wise). He only wants $7,800 for it. I do not see how I could go wrong. WHAT DO YOU THINK? BTW, what year was, and why did you get rid of your GS . Spicy great review man! Well done! sub's and t-up!
@@davidfalgout7304 Hello David - I'm very very happy with the Vstrom....I had a 2007 R1200GS - lovely engineering and massively powerful. I'm about 5'10'" and 180 lbs in my 60's riding since age 16. A couple of things about the GS - first, I do little if no off-roading (and if I was a fan of the off-road I sure wouldn't have the skills to maneuver a Panzer like the GS!) - I'd choose a much lighter bike...Second, alot of the set up for the GS is formed by its off-road aspirations- its high stance (with a lower seat I was still just resting on the balls of my toes)- the width of the handlebars (made for standing on the footpegs) - as my wife and I like to bike I was finding the combined weight of the machine, the top and side cases and the weight with two passengers a bit of a handful, especially if you had to back up the bike in a parking lot...) The vstrom is a lighter bike with as long a wheelbase and a narrow forward-and-aft v-twin. My feet are more planted and it feels lighter. Its power band is very linear - no 'torquey' spots - just clean steady power in every gear all along the power band to 9k rpms. Its handlebars are narrower and it feels more like a carving ski...I was losing a bit of the 'fun' factor muscling a machine that felt fairly bulky - the vstrom has restored that zip and its versatility encourages a biker of modest talents to do more...Just my two cents....
Great review. I agree with your comments as I have come to the same conclusion. Basically if you live in an area of open roads then pick the 1000. If you live in the country with lots of hills and Twisties pick the 650 which is such a fun bike to throw around.
I own a 650 V Strom, and have for about 5 years, with my current bike being the second one I've had. As far as I'm concerned it's a perfectly capable touring machine, mine goes to France/Germany/Belgium every year, and has been super economical, reliable, more than quick enough to get you into trouble with the Gendarmerie if you're into getting nicked, and basically a great bike. I find the power perfectly acceptable loaded with luggage for a week plus trip, it's not going to rip your arms off but that's not what I go touring for!!! All in all I've not wanted another bike since having a Strom for touring. 250 miles on a 4 gallon tank, I'd say that's impressive! One quibble: the bloody wind buffeting! After a Givi Airflow screen made no difference I took matters into my own hands and made wind deflectors, which have made the world of difference to the bike, so now I reckon the wee strom is pretty much the spot on economical tourer!!!!
"there's your answer..and it's not even an answer!" lol, nice review of both bikes, btw local Suzuki dealership said about 75-80% of people who test rode both bikes picked the 650, many stated they were surprised by its relative power to the 1000 .
I remember a journalist (Tony Kirby of Sidetracks magazine in Australia) wrote when first testing the 650 Strom, "If you slapped 1000cc badges on it, you'd still think it goes alright!"
@@spicy110 Apart from providing a more engaging ride (which is enough reason for me to choose it), the 650 has lower costs in purchase, registration, insurance, fuel, tyres, chain and sprockets. More spares available from dismantlers. The extra range from the same sized tank is of huge benefit in time and convenience for me also.
Those are just inexperienced, uninformed riders who think 1000 is some power monster and that they cant handle it. Or they just can't afford it. 1000 is just objectively better. Majority is very often wrong
I stumbled upon this video whilst browsing for info on the V-Strom. I try to regularly watch you so it was cool to see you'd done a review on these. I'm actually looking at buying one. Possibly a 2007 as it's within my budget, but I sat on a 2020 model and my goodness it's nice. Was standing on my tippy toes, but well worth it! Haha. Thanks for the awesome review. Was very helpful!
I've got the '19 650XT. Can't flat foot it, but after a few rides, didn't feel the need to flat foot, almost always have my right foot up on the peg, even when stopping/taking off. Love it sooo much.
Yes to all. Unless you are taking a pillion and loads of luggage then you might want the 1000. But! The 650 is perfectly capable of doing it and many do. As for a starter bike yer as long as you can control your self and don't try to run before you walk.
Most 650 owners want to TRY a 1000, but in their hearts, know the 650 is best. 1000 has novelty factor only for me. I like to work WITH the bike, it's more engaging. Most riders lean either toward "throttle jockey" (accelerate hard, burning excessive fuel and rubber) or "scenery types" (at a pace to enjoy looking around with the occasional spirited fang). The former will enjoy the 1000, with the 650 more enjoyable for the latter. You know thyself best! The 650's engine speed is closer to peak torque (and efficiency) far more often than the 1000 (which had horrid drive train snatch in the first model).
@@WillardTurner Doesn't mean Suzuki can't come late to the party. They already have a shaft driven 805cc twin in their cruisers. What would that drive train be like in this all roads tourer?
You are a fantastic reviewer. I really did find this Informative. Helping me a lot .. thank you!! 🍻😎I'll test ride both but will get the 650 as I'm 5 foot 8 ".. 🤣🤣 as I say a fantastic real life review.
Thank U ? The best Bike review, I have seen, ever !Very informative, un biased ,and very genuine ,I believe ! I am a V twin Bike man all my life, just love them with a passion, Suzuki sv650 ,Limited Ed Chiva X tra Rapta injected and Ducati 's, and still find for me nothing gives me the same thrill ? At 68 I still ride them Ducati St2 and a St3 with Panniers and all ! I have just travelled 440km on a tank of fuel on St3 ,after Valve And Belt service and Replacement ! However, I would like to know How far could one expect to ride on a tank of fuel on VStrom 1000 ,touring on Highways at legal speeds, 110km ? Thank U, very Enjoyable and valued yr feed back from the review, Thanks again, & Cheers from Australia !
I thought that from the name you'd be making shaky vids in 720p! Exceptionally good camera work and quite articulate too. Overall your style of reviewing has got me subscribing mate. Really good work.
I'm buying one next year. Commuting and weekend warrior stuff. 90% road and maybe 10% easy trails. HOWEVER, weekend trips would be 2UP. I think that the 1000 is the answer. I'd love to hear from owners, specially 2UP owners.
@Stout Krout Thanks, I'm just now reading this. Yeah, given that I plan to use it 2UP with panniers and top case. I agree that the 1000 would be best. My experience is with a KLR (own one) and a r1200gs (rented), so I think I'll be comfortable on the big girl.
As my Wife would say, Go Big or Go Home, the 1000 xt is the one, thanks there Cousin, Tip the Hat to you for a Great comparison!! from the Rockies....Safe Travels!
Late to the show, but nice review. I am wanting to get back on a bike and came across a New 2015 650 Vstrom, so been watching all I can to get more info on them for commuting to work mostly, but it at 55mph and 70mph for short distance.
In my opinion after riding a r3, a mt07, a ktm 1050 and a harley davidson fatboy I can confidently say that v twin engines never feel too big and overpowering like inline four engines can do
The 650 is more than enough to go long distance on, they have crossed Canada and done Labrador ( Labrador has one road across it and very few gas stops a ADV dream ) and when crossing Labrador your are fully loaded extra gas and most carry spare tires, and camping equipment. When visiting Newfoundland I met 2 who just came across Labrador one on a 650 V-Strom and the other on a larger KTM and the guy on the KTM said if he were to do it a gain he would want the 650 V-strom . I do not know why people want the over size ADV other than the Cool Factor of having a large bike or to go flying down the major hi ways & if you like Major hi ways get a cruiser that is what they are made for.
Actually both bikes have exactly same size wheels, and the VS1000XT has slightly shorter wheelbase ;) In my opinion the 1000 is much better in almost any respect, -it has better brakes, clutch, abs, suspension, power to weight, low down torque, handlebars , seat and many other details!
Yeah if you read between his lines, he was saying the same thing. Lets face it though. The 650 is more of a Iess intimidating and more forgiving size. Good enough to get any job done. And the larger 1000 cc bike is better for the ego and if you are tall. If economy is an issue well ... the 650 is the choice.
Love the V-Strom, always have always will, even the old model. They are the reason why I wanted to ride motorcycles and I am still very sad that I coudn't get one that fits my requirements.
I ride the new 650. I had the same problem chosing one. I chose for the lower costs. I hired the 1000 a few times and i noticed that it eats tires because of the high torque. But they are both great bikes.
I settled on the Suzuki V-Strom 650 to truly adventure tour out west. It seems silly to have a super powerful, super heavy bike loaded with all manner of camping gear and expect to off road with any ability. If it falls over, I can pick it up without a flinch. It's easy to insure, gets awesome fuel economy, it's reliable as can be, and easy to purchase. The BMW R1200GSA I thought I wanted will have to wait until the 650 says otherwise. If I want a screamingly fast pavement pounder, I'll use my BMW K1600B for that!
They are both great bikes but if your doing lots of high miles or carrying a lot of weight I would say 1000 cc if your going shorter tighter trips maybe some dirt or gravel go for the 650, but honestly I don't think you could go wrong with either one. I own a DL650 and last trip I took I got 59 mpg
Having a DL1000 myself I can tell you the 650 has much better range between fill-ups, but the smiles per gallon on the 1000 are a lot higher. My preference would be to have one of each!
That's funny, I would say differently: if you're doing lots of miles you don't need that much power for long hours of stable speeds (1000s top speed is almost the same and it doesn't matter how fast you reach it if you have 1000+ kms to make). On long trips you don't overtake as many cars because you'd get tired and it increases risk. I'd say 650 is perfect for long trips, while 1000 is more fun for short to medium ones where you can use the engine for more fun.
I own the 2018 1000 and fucking love it, the XT version. I've taken it on some decent off road and handles it perfectly unless you start doing real sketchy stuff like deep loose gravel, sand or mud.
I have Gen 1 DL1000 just love the darn thing sporty feel on the twisties, can be taken on fire roads and gravel roads with confidence. So cheap to buy second hand.
Cheap? Well i guess compared to 950adv its cheap. Bit taking it offroad? Come on, you have 10cm ground clearance and bare exhaust at the bottom, its a road bike, not adv
Wanted to leave another comment specifically about the end-summary of the video. Just outstanding. I've been trying to make exactly this choice and the reviewer captures the conundrum perfectly. It seems the DL650 leans more towards being a local commuter and all around fun bike that can ALSO be used for long distance touring. The DL1000 seems to be geared more towards touring while it can ALSO be used for local commuting and just general fun. I can say that having test-ridden the DL650 you don't get any 'free power' here. The bike has to work through the gearing to build speed which may get to be a pain on long distance rides. Here's a link to just the summary part ua-cam.com/video/Yhcma8XZ4vI/v-deo.htmlm13s
I much prefer the 650 and I've owned both 2012 650 and 2015 1000. Buy the 650 with the money saved do suspension. The 650 does not need premium gas, does not have issues with the clutch getting funked up with chain lube, better mpg, cheaper insurance, lighter etc. The 1000 isnt all that much faster and is slow for a 1000
Perhaps you're thinking right. Would like to swap the front of the DL1000 and put it on the DL650. Perfect. Haha But if I was going for a bigger power ADV machine, the KTM 1090 or a left-over 1190 would be pretty appealing.
So many of the differences pointed out between these two bikes are based on pre-conceived notions and really don't exist. They have the same wheelbase, same tank, and as near as I can tell the same bars. The seat on the 1000 is 1/2 inch higher than the 650 but otherwise no different. So why you would feel cramped on the 650 is beyond me since there's no actual difference in the ergonomics? Also, the wheels and tires are exactly the same size on the 1000 as on the 650. The only significant differences are more power, the slipper clutch, and upgraded forks on the 1000, which may be good enough reasons to choose it, of course. And the reason the 650 engine feels like an SV is because it is, they are identical.
Does it make sense to get the 650 Vstrom over an older Versys 650? I have a 2013 Versys, and a friend of mine recently bought a 2018 Vstrom 650. I've tried it, and it's really a nice bike. Performance wise, are pretty similar. On the plus side, i think the Vstrom has a comfier ride (altough a worst fork) and it's definitely a more modern bike. Vstrom behaves much better with a passenger, since it's longer, and the Vtwin engine is soooo much smoother than the parallel on my Versys, very little vibrations. Traction control is interestin in wet conditions, but i do not consider it as a plus. Versys is a more sportier, rugged bike, behaves almost like a naked, Vstrom is more travel/commute oriented, and carries weight in a more balanced way.
I have a 2011 WEE I took it for a run from Cleveland Ohio to the Grand Canyon round trip. 5000 + mls. Its great bike loads of farkles on it. I was thinking about the 2017 models, but I wanted Suzuki to make a 750 / 800 versionn, so I will keep the 2011. I can pick the 650 up too if it ever falls over, dont know if at 75 yrs old I could lift the 1000.
Thank you for this review! I am trying to make this decision and now it is even harder lol. I think I just need to ride them back to back like you did. I have a DRZ400sm which is already a bit of a hooning machine so I am leaning toward the 1000. However the tank range & regular fuel (and price) of the 650 are very tempting as well! Arrrgggghhhhh!
Some offroad dual sport and big vstrom is fantastic combo to have! Vstrom is amazing for road travel, amazing engine and superbly comfortable. And im saying that as experienced adv rider
Great review! I'm 6'1" and the 650 didnt feel too small (though I might go with tall seat and bar risers), but at 6'5", you're lucky to fit on anything :)
Just bought a 15 plate thou, had a Gen1 GT version a few year's back which I regret selling, used it solely for Euro tours and did what I wanted, however the Gen2 is SO much better. Much prefer the larger capacity bike for 2 up Euro Tours; I have never enjoyed thrapping/revving a lower capacity engine lower torque is noticeable I like smooth dollops of power on tap(you can hear the riding/engine difference from the engine tone in your vid), so purely for Touring use for me it's the thou, a do-it all then as you say the 650.
Did you notice at 5:37 that the camera is exposing for the sunny part of the shot on the right, leaving the bike in deep shadow, making it hard to see much! Parking in the sun you will do much better.
Most excellent video, except for riding on the wrong side of the road. Been looking for a new toy, and this helped. Out grown my KLR 650, and don't like riding my big Harley an more. How is the leg and head room?
I live in Canada and it is a pretty vast country with endless prairies and mountain passes. I own 02vstrom 1000cc and it is very comfy on highways ,love it! Vstrom 650 might be little underpowered especially if you are loaded
I have a 2014 V 1000, Love the power, hate the weight!! But then again I take it to dirt bike country!! If you think it's not heavy get offroad.. I changed gearing on mine to make it easier to finesse at slow speed, 17-43 is stock went down 1 tooth on counter, much better.
Or......! You could just buy actual adv bike instead of torturing road touring bike and complaining about gearing.... Ktm 950, africa twin and the likes
I considered both Stroms late last year when I was looking for a touring capable machine, and ended up being lured by the Yamaha Tracer 900. The Big Strom was out of budget, and whilst the Wee is an excellent bike, I just preferred the Yamaha. Sadly, for many reasons, the Tiger 800s were also out of budget a bit.
The 1000 is about as light and (in my country) expensive (if not cheaper) as most 800s so, to be honest, I didn't feel a need for an 800. Also, it'd feel like too many models - something KTM had before they cancelled 1190 and 1050 and introduced 1090. Now, Honda does have 5 adventure models but they have their unique points - CB500 and NC being the cheap/light ones, Crossrunner is sporty, Crosstourer a tourer and AT a dual-sport. V-Stroms are just small and big.
Having had several bikes from a SV650 to a Speed Triple 1050 and a BMW R1200 ST I've come to realize it's whatever meets your riding needs. 35 years later I'm going back to the middleweight (650-800 cc) bike and I'd take an 800 V-Strom in a minute.
Well this was as frustrating as me trying to decide what to go for, the vid was built up for a solid answer then back to square one. I am changing from a longline of super sports (currently a GSXR 750 L6) so for me it is a totally different ball game. I test rode the 2017 Vstrom XT today and loved it from start to finish. I have however thought that the power will be so much nicer in the 1000 but not really needed. I have no big trips planned and my riding will be on normal country roads and only a 40 mile round trip to work. Main worry is having the misses and luggage on the back and it feeling a bit guttless. great video though ;)
I had a look @ 650 Vstrom today and as a 5'8 punter felt totally overwhelmed by the size - I thought it was a 1000. I do a lot of urban commuting on a CB500F, weekend trips. You'd have to get an optional centrestand which is really mandatory.
Great idea to do both bikes back to back. As I don't do any interstate trips anymore (Australia) the 650 with a large top box and centrestand would meet my needs.
Watching this vid and reading the comments made me want to ride. So just now, after I mowed my front lawn, I jumped on my '11 VSTrom DL650 for a quick ride thru the neighborhood. I don't ride it enough since bought in Feb. But everytime I come back home, I have a big smile on my face. Got to break in my new armored vest and always with my Hi-Viz Bell helmet, gloves but was wearing shorts/tennis from lawn work. I like the new Vstroms' esp the 1000. Howdy from TX.
Yes its awesome. Its not heavy or other bs like this. And even if its heavier you will not feel those few kgs. The issue is there is huge ownership bias as most people buy smaller one for price reason and then defend their choice. Bit the truth is, 1000 is objectively better bike
ive owend both. currently on the 1000. i much prefer the 1000. i happily sacrificed some fuel economy for the sake of a better overall riding experience. for me it came down to sustained highway speeds for hours on end. it was a bit of a chore on the 650. i dont like the feeling of the bike being at its top end doing 75mph for 5 or 6 hrs.
If you ride as you have stated then you have made the right choice in the 1000. 75mph (6000rpm) is my limit for SUSTAINED riding for hours on end. Take the byway on the 650 instead of the highway on the 1000!
@@Angry-Lynx 4500-5500rpm is the sweet spot on the 650 Strom which equates to 90-110km/hr in top gear. It is perfect for enjoying the scenery on Australian speed camera infested lumpy roads. If you frequent “super slab” where everyone sits on 130km/hr (like Americans), then 1000cc is the ticket 🎫
I've owned both and I give the nod to the 650 for better economy, lower cost, and smoother engine. Either way, you're riding one of the best values in motorcycling: durability, versatility, performance, sportiness, COMFOFT, and just plain FUN! V-Stroms ROCK!
I'm planning to buy a 650 XT how good is the suspension for some jumps, and whats is the deepest it can go through water and finally are the brakes reliable?
I think you have similar thoughts to me !! Bit of mud and dirt and not just street !!
It's no dirt bike, but it's pretty competent for mild off-roading. I've seen some videos where the bike is half under water and still chugging through. At 460/520 lbs, they're among the lightest adv bikes, but you're not going to get much height on your jumps. They're best kept on dry fire roads or hard-packed gravel roads; putting on a set of knobbies increases their capabilities. 80/20! Watch nutnfancy's review of his DL1000 in the Utah desert. ua-cam.com/video/pULTs4jSiKA/v-deo.html
Absolutly agree...as a commuter in the 650 are better than a dl1000, it runs cheaper in fuel economy and the engien are smoother. On long trips fully packed l do miss some horsepower but it vil still take you to the end of the world and back...that said..l have old 04 dl650 and l know the new one are better..
I just love mye old girl
@@toby7504 You will always like the one you are on at the moment, but one is better for short runninging around and one is better for longer trips, especially if loaded up. If you are going to load it up and go long, the the 1000....if you won't load it up and rarely go long, then the 650 really is a star.
A terrific, down-to-earth real life comparison of the two V's. Personally I was back and forth between the two and this video really helped me settle on the DL650. The real life first-person perspective shown in this review gives viewers a narrated vantage point, as if you are right there riding the machine. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this and found it helpful and informative. Thanks for putting in the effort to make this.
+Daniel Balfour thanks dude glad you liked it. That's exactly what I'm aiming for with my reviews.
The 650 is much more fit for off road
@@curtisbarker9272 both are UNFIT for any kind of offroad, its purely onroad touring machine
Just bought a 04 VStrom 1000. Loving it. Stole it for $2600 with 5700 miles on it. It’s super clean. Great job on this comparison.
Hi I got a similar offer on a 1000. This would be my first bike. I'm 50+ year old, 6ft tall. Would you recommend it? Thanks!
Fuckin thief! 😂
Got 05 dl1000 for around 4500usd, almost perfect condition, 35kkm👍
Ehh those prices will never return....
@@quirogan best touring bike for the money hands down. Though varadero is even better most people say
This comparison has withstood the test of time; worth the watch if you’re deciding between the two ‘Stroms. After having purchased three new 650 ‘Stroms (‘09, ‘12, ‘15) with a combined odometer reading a tad under 200 000 kilometers, yesterday I came close to buying a new 1000cc ‘Strom. It was a great deal, and is a great bike. The only problem was, I rode my 650 to and from the demo ride and that sealed it for me. As far as V-Stroms go, the 650 is a jewel . . . and a keeper.
Haha, I love that you couldn't really decide. They both sound like true quality machines. Thanks.
I have a 2007 650 V-Strom.... 91,000 miles and counting.... i'd buy another one tomorrow... Its been great! I've been coast to coast and back and forth to work when there's not snow on the ground (MN, USA)
I have a 2008 wee Strom and have really loved riding it. 68000 miles and I still love it it’s a bit weak for 2 up in hilly terrain but will cruise all day long at legal speeds with two 200 lb riders. It’s a really good bike
Thanks for the review, bloody ripper. I bought the 1000, I'm a tall fella 6'3, when I sat on it, it felt right. Wife says it's comfy on pillion as well.
No problem 👍
Love my 2017 V-Strom 650 XT rides like a dream and being short I love the height and the weight of the bike. My previous bike was a BMW G650GS (which I love) but this is way more performance oriented. 1000 is amazing just a little to big for me height. Can't go wrong with a V-Strom. Great video!!
Hi Chris,i have F650Gs and i thinking about Suzi 650 XT.Yes,GS is the perfect bike,but can you wrote me more about comparsion this two bikes? Thanks
650 and 1000 is the same height.
@@importantlookingpirate 😂 ended them all with one sentence 👍
No reason to get smaller engine
I have had my 650 for about 4 years now. do I like it? well I have put 94,000 miles on it. :) I think I might.
Hi Rev - are you servicing yourself?
I tip my hat. Good analysis of the strengths of these machines. I've owned an SV650 for almost a decade and it is brilliant but has its limitations. If you're new to riding and want to do day trips/commute? The 650 is it.
If you want to get out of dodge and see the world? 1000 all day. It's all about how you're going to use it. I'd recommend and own both but I'm ready for the 1000cc.
He nailed it though. Thanks for the comparison.
At 67 I bought the first motorbike I owned since my twenties a Vstrom 650. It suits me perfectly for general commuting, the occasional gravel road and the camping tours I do around the South Island (New Zealand). Budget was a consideration as was economy, straight line performance wasn’t, comfort was and I dont ride two up. The thought of the performance of a litre bike scares the crap out of me. So for me the 650 is perfect for others as ‘spicy110’ says it is a matter of choosing the rignt bike for YOU. A replacement bike a V-Strom 650 for me every time.
Hey Nick, I am also 67 and first bike since my 20's. As you, I only ride the speed limit. The bike seems a great fit for me also.
I test drove both as well, but 650 first and 1000 after. My thoughts: Both are solid bikes, but 650 is all you'll ever need. Fast enough for roads, comfy, well balanced, does everything well. 1000 is exactly the same, but with stronger engine, they even look exactly the same now. The only thing to separate them is 650 or 1000 emblem near the seat. To me the answer is simple, if you have more money to spend or really want that extra oomph when you open the throttle, buy 1000. For everybody else 650 is the way to go. Simples!
I've been looking at used dl650s in my area, decent price and it seems like a good first road bike. I'd be mainly using it for commute, camping, and joy rides but I'm not a large man (6' 170lbs) and I think the 1000 would be a tad overkill for me.
I'm 6'2in 270 lbs and I love my 650 I have 35,000 miles on mine and it is great bike, I have ridden the 1000 and and found no need for it for my type of riding. The only off roading I do is hard packed dirt stateland roads but I do cruise at an indicated 75mph when I'm on a four lane highway
You would also think that for 2up touring? I'm about to buy one soon but it's hard to decide also because when considering price of 1000
Cant think of anything relevant that my Vstrom 650 cant do.
Exactly, I got DL 1000 and is to much for every day, in hard traffic. First gear 😒 like a small hammer
I went with the 650 and I’m surprised how much less I’m riding on the expressway and how much more fun I’m having in the twisties.
Thats gay
I was debating on the 650 as an option for my first 'big' bike after I pass my test, and you've settled me on it. Everything you've said has confirmed it's the bike for me!
I have a '19 650XT, love love love it. Traction control is great (saved my ass when I ran wide in a turn onto gravel). ABS is good. It's pretty fast, can hit nearly 70mph in 1st gear (although you'll probably red line). I'm averageing about 49 miles to the gallon, but I generally ride a gear lower than I can be in (like the feel). You can actually use the higher gears in decently low speeds if you wanna save more gas. I put some tank grips on it, engine guard, top case. It's almost ready for cross country. Not sure why, but only downside to me is I can't find the warning light. I've seen that it's close to the ignition button on most models, but I just don't see it on mine, whatever, minor quip. It feels really good. Good seat, good suspension, comfy.
One of the best reviews of the V-Stroms on UA-cam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EXCELLENT JOB!!!!!!!!!
I've used the V-Strom 1000 in Australia, and bought a V-Strom 650 in the U.K. I am not of the "dainty, compact" build; so the main difference I find is that the 650 goes quite a lot further on a tank of fuel. The 1000 of course had more performance, but I felt the extra weight on essentially the same frame was just that bit too much. I find I use a bit more rev's on the 650, but given mostly touring and traffic, no real difference.
1000 is actually very good weight for litre bike, cbf 600 weights pretty much the same.
Liter all the way
Great reviews. I'm headed off to my own local dealer to pick up a 2020 650 Adventure model in a couple of hours. Can't wait. You got me thinking that it won't be too long until I put out a change jar to start saving up for the 1000 in a few seasons.
Great review of both machines. I have the 1000 and just love it. I live in Australia and the distances are covered so easily and comfortably on this bike. Factory cruise control would be great, but there are plenty of after market options out there. Stay upright mate, subscribed.
Big distances suit shaft and cruise. Try MY14 onward Yamaha Super Tenere.
G'day
Finally someone using bike like its supposed to .
Litre all the way 👍
At around 10 minutes you described the on-off action of my SV650a perfectly.
My first bike was a 2006 V-Strom 650. After that I got a K13000 GT. I miss the V-Strom, so flickable in the twisties and easy to maintain. I think if I had to select I would go with the 1000 though. Both motors sounded nice on the videos. Nice job!
Excellent and very honest review. You have a new subscriber. Greetings from Slovenia!
+Ivan Markovic hey thanks and welcome!
Love the Strom. Best informative test I've seen on UA-cam. Thanks for that, 1000 for me.
Probably the best review i've ever seen - brilliant - Subscribed!!
Ive owned a 2015 V-strom 650 since new very good fun bike out in the hilly country rds near me and for work I also load it right up and go fishing on it ive thought its an underrated machine as but people who own them seem to keep them and there a strong owners group because of that.
As for the height thing there is a peg lower kit for it and also the 1000cc saddle will fit on the 650, on the older models the seat is much taller for the bigger bikes and many shorties and tall rider will aactually swap seats in the owners groups
This was invaluable for me, I was going nuts trying to figure out which one to buy. Thanks!!!
Glad I could help!
I'm so glad you did this comparison, my local Suzuki dealer only has the 650 for demo and I loved it. Always thought the 1000 would be a little big for me at 5'10" and considering most of the time I would be using it for commuting and country lane blasting I think the 650 will be more than enough.
Big is pro, not con.
Dunno why people use that argument as if big bike is something bad.
Especially in us where roads are huge and you have lot of space everywhere.
Im 180 and 1000 is perfect for me.
Even if you 170 ull still be fine with big one, its not ktm, its very civilized and user friendly machinr
I want to congratulate you for an exceptional presentation. If any ones interested, which I doubt, my choice is the 650, purely because I will be doing the twisties more than highway. Thank you so much. Plus, less fuel, less insurance and less weight. Well done friend.
Don't forget the substantial difference in insurance fees and miles per gallon, as well as no need for premium fuel, all in favor of the 650. That being said I own a 1000 and I love it!
gerloczyek it's not that different is it?
245 mls. and still 2 squares on my fuel gauge. "650 weeStrom"
Can't answer it accurately as I haven't ridden the 650. I used to have a Transalp (600 cc) back in the day, and the 1000 is a way better motorcycle overall. Like 20 -30 years worth of innovation better. Having said that if I was to go around the world, I would pick something smaller, simpler and cheaper, like the Transalp or the 650 or KLR.
gerloczyek i have 650 and am getting 59 mpg at the min riding a commute can go down to 50 when riding for fun. 1000 did 35mpg when on test ride for me lol. im 6ft5 20st so could do better figures for more slender peeps lol
gerloczyek I see the compression for both the 650 and 1000 are very similar . 11.2 and 11.5 if I remember. Can anyone explain to me why the 1000 needs premium and 650 can go with regular when both have almost exactly the same compression? I live in South America. Fuel is here is crap.
Everyone has their own preference. I had both the SV650 and the SV1000. When I decided I wanted a V-Strom there was only one option for me...1000 all day long. My bike is a hobby and not a daily commuter so I don't place any emphasis on fuel economy or running costs. I ride my bike for the thrill and I'm happy to pay a little bit extra for the experience. My 2015 DL1000 Desert Edition still produces over 50mpg and I couldn't care less about the cost. If it was delivering 30mpg I'd still choose it.
Exactly
I find this video a pleasure to watch. I like his riding style and the good review makes me want one of those 1000cc rides :)
Watching this I want a 650. But I already have the 1000 and there is no way I'd sell that....
I felt this was a good, accurate reflection on the 1000 (never ridden the 650). I'd just add that I do regular distance touring with my wife and it works just great for that. In fact the Mrs doesn't really want to pillion any of my other bikes.
I owned a 2007 DL1000 for 7 years and loved it, then test rode quite a few other bikes in this genre and was impressed by them all in different ways, but in the end the new V was the best for me, particularly taking into consideration value for money. The new V is as good as the old, but better in every way you'd want.
"The new V is as good as the old, but better in every way you'd want."
Apart from the looks...
@@impact0r true new one looks aweful.
If id buy such new expensive bike id buy 2017 africa twin as a do it all.
Currently have one 640ktm for dual sport and dl1000 for road cruising and everyday comfort
Your not losing anything by owning 1000
1000 all the way - unless you're a penny pincher. I put almost 20k miles on a 650 and now have over 20k miles on big V. Loved the 650 when i had it, but could never go back now. Besides more power, the 1K has better suspension, brakes, ergos, and handling. Get the 650 for saving pennies on gas.
+mcragosta yer it's surprising how diffrent they are! But both good in their own ways.
I test rode both and chose the 650. I guess it depends on what you're using it for and where. I live in Colorado. The twisties and fire roads just felt so much better on the 650. I could easily see the 1000 as a wonderful tourer.
I’ve done a lot of research comparing the 1000 and 650 and found this video to be the most useful in its assessment of the character of each bike as well as the circumstances in which one might choose one over the other. I put my order in on a new 650 XTA today based on my height (5’10”), the fact that I drive mostly on my own and my preferred venue for driving is winding country highways. My last bike was a bmw r1200GS - a lovely engineered machine but quite a big machine. I’m missing the ‘carving ski’ element that I think the 650 will offer - I thought long and hard about the 1000 (and don’t think you can make a mistake in either choice...) but ultimately decided that ‘less may be more’ and flingability is a nice feature. Thank you for the excellent set of perspectives that a buyer mulls over...
@Mojo I never would have thought that this could descend into a pissing contest!
Get the 1000 for wasting pennies on purchase, fuel, registration, insurance, tyres, chains, sprockets and sessions with a psychologist.
Being 6ft and slightly heavier build and on A2 licence I feel like the 650 would be very good for me, top vid spicy and congrats on 60k!
Scott Sharpe I've got a 2015 650 restricted and I'm 6'2", pretty damn good for me
Scot Wilson hmmm may have to have a test ride thanks!
Scott Sharpe err I doubt anyone has a restricted vstrom for you to test ride unfortunately
@@scotwilson4169 you got bar risers or something or is everything stock?
@@carlosandleon moved on twice since the Vstrom but no it was standard in that respect. Just loaded with all the protection and panniers👍 I had a lot of fun with that bike off road, dropped it twice though and the second time broke some plastics on the fairing on the right hand side. Cost me about £250 in parts and A LOT of time trying to figure out how to take the fairing apart 😅
Well done!!! I have a 2011 650 strom,, it’s fine for me,, it would be perfect in 750 800 v twin!! It’s funny how you also mentioned that,,
I love my 2015 DL650, truly an excellent bike, it will cruise all day at 80 mph, goes into 90 mph with no problem, very comfortable, reliable, great gas mileage, etc. I tested a 1000 bike and found I didn't need the extra power at all.
+Moto Rider 473 I do agree, but add luggage and a second person and now the 1000 has a place.
spicy110 With a pillion I can see the need for the 1000. The 650 does just fine loaded with metal panniers and camping gear for a two week trip.
Translation: i couldn't afford 1000 so now will create some arguments to defend my "choice" :)
I'm 6-2 and weigh 275 and have ridden my 2014 vstrom 650 43,000 trouble free miles and I love it. It's comfortable with more than enough real world power, It's a keeper. I also have a 2002 Kawasaki 1500 drifter. It rides totally different. I wouldn't sell either one. Love them both.
There no such thing as enough power.
I have 1000 vtrom 100hp, i wouldn't say no to having 160+ hp
Or in other words: do i lack power?
No. Do i need more power? Lol ofc not.
Do i want more power? Fuck yeah!
I do love your reviews - them being done on the same roads I use helps! Had the 2005 DL1000 for several years and are looking at getting another in the next month so this vid was most helpful.
If you can afford the 1000 over the 650, just do it. There are absolutely no negatives with have more torque. Also, what you don't notice at first is that the 1000 has diff suspension, more fairings, more design features, etc... At first glance they look identical, but take a closer look and you'll find that you do actually get more than just a bigger displacement. Either way, Vstroms are amazing.
Finally some common sense thank you!
Especially for first gen 1000 is better because prices are the same
Finaly a great vidéo to help me choose between these machines, Tanks!
Think you should have ridden them in reverse order. Had a 2013 650 and have a 2016 1000. The 650 is electric bike smooth and very liveable. Fabulous economy. The 1000 is incredibly torquey - so you can go higher geared and cruise. Also the 1000 is better handling, less top-heavy feeling at slow speed. I have 2 upped both on multi day many thousand mile trips. The 650 is great below 70, but runs out of oomph uphill two up when passing. The 1000 is the better tourer/ 650 is perhaps the better commuter. Yes the 1000s have a slipper.
im 6ft5 and completely agree with your reviews. I bought the 650 with hand guards. i just couldnt justify £60 a month extra for the 1000 before insurance etc. but both bikes are great. good vid
+John Mcmeekin thanks gald you agree 👍
That's why so many more 650s - its cheaper.
And then by ownership bias they defend online why its "better" 😂
Damn online advices you can never trust people
Have you ridden the F700 yet? Curious how you feel the vstroms compare to them. I borrowed an F700 from a friend for about a year and really enjoyed it, then I drove my uncle's vstrom 650 briefly while taking a MCY trip with him in Alaska (and I really loved the vstrom too), curious how you feel they compare. I'm stepping down from my Tiger 1200 - it's too fucking big for me. I thought being a near 300lb guy that it wouldn't be too big - it is. It's only good on the hwy and for using shit-loads of power during heavy accel. My g/f isn't the skinniest either so I'm thinking the 650 might be a bit small compared to the 800, but the vstrom 650 felt plenty peppy when I rode it solo when I got on the gas hard. One thing I loved about the 650 in AK is that it sipped gas - got such good mpg compared to anything else - that's nice when gas stops are few and far between. Main would be hwy with few dirt/gravel roads here and there. I'd like to keep it < 1k cc's.
MrSlowestD16 p
I've recently sold my R1200 GS this Spring and have been doing alot of research on a small group of bikes that might replace it. I found this video to be the best of the many reviews of the 650/1000 Suzuki, particularly since it tries to reconcile the eternal question of 'which machine is the better choice?' The meaning I took away is that either machine is a wonderful choice- and in making your choice you need to apply laser-like discipline to answering the questions "What is the machine to be used for?" AND "Which machine best fits one's particular body type..?." At the end of the day I placed an order for the 2019 650XT based on my height and age (5'10" + 60's) and the fact that I'm primarily a street driver (not much off-road but would like to have capability for dirt and fire roads) and 90% of my time is one the bike alone but wanting to do the occasional trip with my spouse.. All the reviews I went through shared the theme of the reviewer being thoroughly impressed with the 1000 but always possessing a big grin after a day with the 650. I figure at this stage I want something that connects me with the joy of being on a configurable, 'flingable' bike whose evident virtues can make a driver of modest talents (like me) an engaged rider...
Hey True Blue! (John Williamson, the Aussie singer) more smiles per mile on the 650. You won't regret it.
JOHN W... So how do you like the 650? I am in a similar place. 60+, want to start riding again etc. Road BMW GS's for 20+ yrs. Want a 1250, but way beyond what I can afford ( retired). Also, BMW shops are closing down in my area and other areas. I have found an almost brand-new 2015 Vstrom 1000. It has less than 100 miles. He bought it a few weeks ago but is to old to ride anymore ( health wise). He only wants $7,800 for it. I do not see how I could go wrong. WHAT DO YOU THINK? BTW, what year was, and why did you get rid of your GS .
Spicy great review man! Well done! sub's and t-up!
@@davidfalgout7304 Hello David - I'm very very happy with the Vstrom....I had a 2007 R1200GS - lovely engineering and massively powerful. I'm about 5'10'" and 180 lbs in my 60's riding since age 16. A couple of things about the GS - first, I do little if no off-roading (and if I was a fan of the off-road I sure wouldn't have the skills to maneuver a Panzer like the GS!) - I'd choose a much lighter bike...Second, alot of the set up for the GS is formed by its off-road aspirations- its high stance (with a lower seat I was still just resting on the balls of my toes)- the width of the handlebars (made for standing on the footpegs) - as my wife and I like to bike I was finding the combined weight of the machine, the top and side cases and the weight with two passengers a bit of a handful, especially if you had to back up the bike in a parking lot...) The vstrom is a lighter bike with as long a wheelbase and a narrow forward-and-aft v-twin. My feet are more planted and it feels lighter. Its power band is very linear - no 'torquey' spots - just clean steady power in every gear all along the power band to 9k rpms. Its handlebars are narrower and it feels more like a carving ski...I was losing a bit of the 'fun' factor muscling a machine that felt fairly bulky - the vstrom has restored that zip and its versatility encourages a biker of modest talents to do more...Just my two cents....
@@windfall35 Thanks John!
Love this video!! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year wishing you many years of safe riding.
Thanks and the same to you! 🙂
Great review. I agree with your comments as I have come to the same conclusion. Basically if you live in an area of open roads then pick the 1000. If you live in the country with lots of hills and Twisties pick the 650 which is such a fun bike to throw around.
Great minds think alike 😉
If you have common sense pick 1000 and use it as intended - touring bike
clarity is excellent on this video fella!
Another good vid 😀
Jonathan Giles
I own a 650 V Strom, and have for about 5 years, with my current bike being the second one I've had. As far as I'm concerned it's a perfectly capable touring machine, mine goes to France/Germany/Belgium every year, and has been super economical, reliable, more than quick enough to get you into trouble with the Gendarmerie if you're into getting nicked, and basically a great bike. I find the power perfectly acceptable loaded with luggage for a week plus trip, it's not going to rip your arms off but that's not what I go touring for!!! All in all I've not wanted another bike since having a Strom for touring. 250 miles on a 4 gallon tank, I'd say that's impressive! One quibble: the bloody wind buffeting! After a Givi Airflow screen made no difference I took matters into my own hands and made wind deflectors, which have made the world of difference to the bike, so now I reckon the wee strom is pretty much the spot on economical tourer!!!!
I would love to see the wind deflectors you've created!
Fantastic review. I prefer the 650, but I haven’t ridden the heavily updated 1050 and I love the look of it.
I have! I have a review on the 1050
"there's your answer..and it's not even an answer!" lol, nice review of both bikes, btw local Suzuki dealership said about 75-80% of people who test rode both bikes picked the 650, many stated they were surprised by its relative power to the 1000 .
Same ratio here, i think it's also the price and the insurance, fuel etc.
I remember a journalist (Tony Kirby of Sidetracks magazine in Australia) wrote when first testing the 650 Strom, "If you slapped 1000cc badges on it, you'd still think it goes alright!"
@@spicy110 Apart from providing a more engaging ride (which is enough reason for me to choose it), the 650 has lower costs in purchase, registration, insurance, fuel, tyres, chain and sprockets. More spares available from dismantlers. The extra range from the same sized tank is of huge benefit in time and convenience for me also.
Those are just inexperienced, uninformed riders who think 1000 is some power monster and that they cant handle it.
Or they just can't afford it.
1000 is just objectively better.
Majority is very often wrong
I stumbled upon this video whilst browsing for info on the V-Strom. I try to regularly watch you so it was cool to see you'd done a review on these. I'm actually looking at buying one. Possibly a 2007 as it's within my budget, but I sat on a 2020 model and my goodness it's nice. Was standing on my tippy toes, but well worth it! Haha. Thanks for the awesome review. Was very helpful!
I've got the '19 650XT. Can't flat foot it, but after a few rides, didn't feel the need to flat foot, almost always have my right foot up on the peg, even when stopping/taking off. Love it sooo much.
Question, is the V-Strom 650 a valid choice for a highwa (long trip) starter bike?
Yes to all. Unless you are taking a pillion and loads of luggage then you might want the 1000. But! The 650 is perfectly capable of doing it and many do. As for a starter bike yer as long as you can control your self and don't try to run before you walk.
It seams to me that most 1000 owners want a 650, and most 650 owners want a 1000. This tells me that I need BOTH!
Haha its a tough one but many go for for the 650 to save on fuel ect.
They should make a 750/800 ;-)
@@trevorbest The new Moto Guzzi beat them to it.
Most 650 owners want to TRY a 1000, but in their hearts, know the 650 is best.
1000 has novelty factor only for me.
I like to work WITH the bike, it's more engaging.
Most riders lean either toward "throttle jockey" (accelerate hard, burning excessive fuel and rubber) or "scenery types" (at a pace to enjoy looking around with the occasional spirited fang). The former will enjoy the 1000, with the 650 more enjoyable for the latter. You know thyself best!
The 650's engine speed is closer to peak torque (and efficiency) far more often than the 1000 (which had horrid drive train snatch in the first model).
@@WillardTurner Doesn't mean Suzuki can't come late to the party.
They already have a shaft driven 805cc twin in their cruisers.
What would that drive train be like in this all roads tourer?
Thank you for a great review.Both are great bikes in many ways.My next bike will be a vstrom.
You are a fantastic reviewer. I really did find this Informative. Helping me a lot .. thank you!! 🍻😎I'll test ride both but will get the 650 as I'm 5 foot 8 ".. 🤣🤣 as I say a fantastic real life review.
Thank you! 🙂
Don't forget to look at the touring package, like the engine guard and side and top cases.. The bike would be useless without them..
Thank U ?
The best Bike review, I have seen, ever !Very informative, un biased ,and very genuine ,I believe ! I am a V twin Bike man all my life, just love them with a passion, Suzuki sv650 ,Limited Ed Chiva X tra Rapta injected and Ducati 's, and still find for me nothing gives me the same thrill ?
At 68 I still ride them Ducati St2 and a St3 with Panniers and all !
I have just travelled 440km on a tank of fuel on St3 ,after Valve And Belt service and Replacement !
However, I would like to know How far could one expect to ride on a tank of fuel on VStrom 1000 ,touring on Highways at legal speeds, 110km ?
Thank U, very Enjoyable and valued yr feed back from the review, Thanks again, & Cheers from Australia !
I thought that from the name you'd be making shaky vids in 720p! Exceptionally good camera work and quite articulate too. Overall your style of reviewing has got me subscribing mate. Really good work.
we need a v strom 800 and a verseys 800. have bmw and triumph bought the rights. also new africa twin should have been a crf800l
I'm buying one next year. Commuting and weekend warrior stuff. 90% road and maybe 10% easy trails. HOWEVER, weekend trips would be 2UP.
I think that the 1000 is the answer. I'd love to hear from owners, specially 2UP owners.
@Stout Krout Thanks, I'm just now reading this.
Yeah, given that I plan to use it 2UP with panniers and top case. I agree that the 1000 would be best.
My experience is with a KLR (own one) and a r1200gs (rented), so I think I'll be comfortable on the big girl.
l bought a 1000 purely for the pillion factor, great video mate.
A fiend of mine owns the 650, he's a pretty heavy guy. Mountain riding with luggage and passenger - absolutely no problem .
As my Wife would say, Go Big or Go Home, the 1000 xt is the one, thanks there Cousin, Tip the Hat to you for a Great comparison!!
from the Rockies....Safe Travels!
do you change visor when it gets dark or just not ride in the dark just wondering
I got a 650 for about 5 years now. I'll get a 1000 as soon as I have some $.
Very good and informative video..
Can you please tell which camera are u using on your helmet??
Late to the show, but nice review. I am wanting to get back on a bike and came across a New 2015 650 Vstrom, so been watching all I can to get more info on them for commuting to work mostly, but it at 55mph and 70mph for short distance.
In my opinion after riding a r3, a mt07, a ktm 1050 and a harley davidson fatboy I can confidently say that v twin engines never feel too big and overpowering like inline four engines can do
Fuckin what? 😂
What cylinder count have to do with that.
But yes i agree there never too much torque and power
The 650 is more than enough to go long distance on, they have crossed Canada and done Labrador ( Labrador has one road across it and very few gas stops a ADV dream ) and when crossing Labrador your are fully loaded extra gas and most carry spare tires, and camping equipment. When visiting Newfoundland I met 2 who just came across Labrador one on a 650 V-Strom and the other on a larger KTM and the guy on the KTM said if he were to do it a gain he would want the 650 V-strom .
I do not know why people want the over size ADV other than the Cool Factor of having a large bike or to go flying down the major hi ways & if you like Major hi ways get a cruiser that is what they are made for.
Actually both bikes have exactly same size wheels, and the VS1000XT has slightly shorter wheelbase ;)
In my opinion the 1000 is much better in almost any respect, -it has better brakes, clutch, abs, suspension, power to weight, low down torque, handlebars , seat and many other details!
Yeah if you read between his lines, he was saying the same thing. Lets face it though. The 650 is more of a Iess intimidating and more forgiving size. Good enough to get any job done. And the larger 1000 cc bike is better for the ego and if you are tall. If economy is an issue well ... the 650 is the choice.
Love the V-Strom, always have always will, even the old model.
They are the reason why I wanted to ride motorcycles and I am still very sad that I coudn't get one that fits my requirements.
I ride the new 650. I had the same problem chosing one. I chose for the lower costs. I hired the 1000 a few times and i noticed that it eats tires because of the high torque. But they are both great bikes.
Eat tires 😂
Ownership bias....
I settled on the Suzuki V-Strom 650 to truly adventure tour out west. It seems silly to have a super powerful, super heavy bike loaded with all manner of camping gear and expect to off road with any ability. If it falls over, I can pick it up without a flinch.
It's easy to insure, gets awesome fuel economy, it's reliable as can be, and easy to purchase. The BMW R1200GSA I thought I wanted will have to wait until the 650 says otherwise. If I want a screamingly fast pavement pounder, I'll use my BMW K1600B for that!
The copium is really strong with this one 😂
They are both great bikes but if your doing lots of high miles or carrying a lot of weight I would say 1000 cc if your going shorter tighter trips maybe some dirt or gravel go for the 650, but honestly I don't think you could go wrong with either one.
I own a DL650 and last trip I took I got 59 mpg
Having a DL1000 myself I can tell you the 650 has much better range between fill-ups, but the smiles per gallon on the 1000 are a lot higher. My preference would be to have one of each!
Yes, one of each that would be my solution as well.
That's funny, I would say differently: if you're doing lots of miles you don't need that much power for long hours of stable speeds (1000s top speed is almost the same and it doesn't matter how fast you reach it if you have 1000+ kms to make). On long trips you don't overtake as many cars because you'd get tired and it increases risk. I'd say 650 is perfect for long trips, while 1000 is more fun for short to medium ones where you can use the engine for more fun.
@@radekknauer2891 you are right ? Thanks for your comment.
I own the 2018 1000 and fucking love it, the XT version. I've taken it on some decent off road and handles it perfectly unless you start doing real sketchy stuff like deep loose gravel, sand or mud.
I have Gen 1 DL1000 just love the darn thing sporty feel on the twisties, can be taken on fire roads and gravel roads with confidence. So cheap to buy second hand.
Cheap? Well i guess compared to 950adv its cheap.
Bit taking it offroad? Come on, you have 10cm ground clearance and bare exhaust at the bottom, its a road bike, not adv
Wanted to leave another comment specifically about the end-summary of the video. Just outstanding. I've been trying to make exactly this choice and the reviewer captures the conundrum perfectly. It seems the DL650 leans more towards being a local commuter and all around fun bike that can ALSO be used for long distance touring. The DL1000 seems to be geared more towards touring while it can ALSO be used for local commuting and just general fun. I can say that having test-ridden the DL650 you don't get any 'free power' here. The bike has to work through the gearing to build speed which may get to be a pain on long distance rides.
Here's a link to just the summary part
ua-cam.com/video/Yhcma8XZ4vI/v-deo.htmlm13s
Thanks for having the superpower of common sense 👍
I much prefer the 650 and I've owned both 2012 650 and 2015 1000. Buy the 650 with the money saved do suspension. The 650 does not need premium gas, does not have issues with the clutch getting funked up with chain lube, better mpg, cheaper insurance, lighter etc. The 1000 isnt all that much faster and is slow for a 1000
Perhaps you're thinking right. Would like to swap the front of the DL1000 and put it on the DL650. Perfect. Haha
But if I was going for a bigger power ADV machine, the KTM 1090 or a left-over 1190 would be pretty appealing.
You are slow.... Thinking 😂
@@Angry-Lynx as you comment on a post from 5 years ago...
So many of the differences pointed out between these two bikes are based on pre-conceived notions and really don't exist. They have the same wheelbase, same tank, and as near as I can tell the same bars. The seat on the 1000 is 1/2 inch higher than the 650 but otherwise no different. So why you would feel cramped on the 650 is beyond me since there's no actual difference in the ergonomics? Also, the wheels and tires are exactly the same size on the 1000 as on the 650. The only significant differences are more power, the slipper clutch, and upgraded forks on the 1000, which may be good enough reasons to choose it, of course. And the reason the 650 engine feels like an SV is because it is, they are identical.
Placebo effect.
You automatically think its bigger just because its 1000 .
I know, its stupid.
1000 is objectively better choice
Does it make sense to get the 650 Vstrom over an older Versys 650? I have a 2013 Versys, and a friend of mine recently bought a 2018 Vstrom 650. I've tried it, and it's really a nice bike. Performance wise, are pretty similar. On the plus side, i think the Vstrom has a comfier ride (altough a worst fork) and it's definitely a more modern bike. Vstrom behaves much better with a passenger, since it's longer, and the Vtwin engine is soooo much smoother than the parallel on my Versys, very little vibrations. Traction control is interestin in wet conditions, but i do not consider it as a plus. Versys is a more sportier, rugged bike, behaves almost like a naked, Vstrom is more travel/commute oriented, and carries weight in a more balanced way.
I have a 2011 WEE I took it for a run from Cleveland Ohio to the Grand Canyon round trip. 5000 + mls. Its great bike loads of farkles on it. I was thinking about the 2017 models, but I wanted Suzuki to make a 750 / 800 versionn, so I will keep the 2011. I can pick the 650 up too if it ever falls over, dont know if at 75 yrs old I could lift the 1000.
Thank you for this review! I am trying to make this decision and now it is even harder lol.
I think I just need to ride them back to back like you did.
I have a DRZ400sm which is already a bit of a hooning machine so I am leaning toward the 1000.
However the tank range & regular fuel (and price) of the 650 are very tempting as well!
Arrrgggghhhhh!
Did you make a decision. I'm trying to choose now?
Some offroad dual sport and big vstrom is fantastic combo to have!
Vstrom is amazing for road travel, amazing engine and superbly comfortable.
And im saying that as experienced adv rider
So yes i say 1000 all the way.
Why take lesser engine? Its better to have reserve of power than lack of it lol
Great review! I'm 6'1" and the 650 didnt feel too small (though I might go with tall seat and bar risers), but at 6'5", you're lucky to fit on anything :)
at that height 650 is perfect size for you. I am 5'11"
Just bought a 15 plate thou, had a Gen1 GT version a few year's back which I regret selling, used it solely for Euro tours and did what I wanted, however the Gen2 is SO much better. Much prefer the larger capacity bike for 2 up Euro Tours; I have never enjoyed thrapping/revving a lower capacity engine lower torque is noticeable I like smooth dollops of power on tap(you can hear the riding/engine difference from the engine tone in your vid), so purely for Touring use for me it's the thou, a do-it all then as you say the 650.
Its hard to imagine MUCH better bike than first gen 1000dl 👍😁
Did you notice at 5:37 that the camera is exposing for the sunny part of the shot on the right, leaving the bike in deep shadow, making it hard to see much! Parking in the sun you will do much better.
Most excellent video, except for riding on the wrong side of the road. Been looking for a new toy, and this helped. Out grown my KLR 650, and don't like riding my big Harley an more. How is the leg and head room?
I live in Canada and it is a pretty vast country with endless prairies and mountain passes. I own 02vstrom 1000cc and it is very comfy on highways ,love it! Vstrom 650 might be little underpowered especially if you are loaded
Amen, 1000 all the way
I have a 2014 V 1000, Love the power, hate the weight!! But then again I take it to dirt bike country!! If you think it's not heavy get offroad.. I changed gearing on mine to make it easier to finesse at slow speed, 17-43 is stock went down 1 tooth on counter, much better.
Or......! You could just buy actual adv bike instead of torturing road touring bike and complaining about gearing....
Ktm 950, africa twin and the likes
I think a middle ground 800 would be awesome, just like the triumph tiger :)
+Supermoto Zach this is a discussion I had with Haslemere and they found many for test rode it cam back for the 1000 maybe it's the weight haha
I considered both Stroms late last year when I was looking for a touring capable machine, and ended up being lured by the Yamaha Tracer 900. The Big Strom was out of budget, and whilst the Wee is an excellent bike, I just preferred the Yamaha. Sadly, for many reasons, the Tiger 800s were also out of budget a bit.
True, you're right on the money! stupid 650 choice
Maybe a vfr800x?
The 1000 is about as light and (in my country) expensive (if not cheaper) as most 800s so, to be honest, I didn't feel a need for an 800. Also, it'd feel like too many models - something KTM had before they cancelled 1190 and 1050 and introduced 1090. Now, Honda does have 5 adventure models but they have their unique points - CB500 and NC being the cheap/light ones, Crossrunner is sporty, Crosstourer a tourer and AT a dual-sport. V-Stroms are just small and big.
Having had several bikes from a SV650 to a Speed Triple 1050 and a BMW R1200 ST I've come to realize it's whatever meets your riding needs. 35 years later I'm going back to the middleweight (650-800 cc) bike and I'd take an 800 V-Strom in a minute.
Bet you're over the moon at the impending arrival of the V-Strom 800......
What a premonition! ..suggesting a “V-Strom 800” - and 5 years later.. Yes. Though, I’m hanging on to my ‘21 Wee-strom 650 XT ADV!
I have ridden the new one too! 🙂 ua-cam.com/video/4Pmb4jS-c44/v-deo.htmlsi=uy7QAsKlCtk9-VHA
Well this was as frustrating as me trying to decide what to go for, the vid was built up for a solid answer then back to square one. I am changing from a longline of super sports (currently a GSXR 750 L6) so for me it is a totally different ball game. I test rode the 2017 Vstrom XT today and loved it from start to finish. I have however thought that the power will be so much nicer in the 1000 but not really needed. I have no big trips planned and my riding will be on normal country roads and only a 40 mile round trip to work. Main worry is having the misses and luggage on the back and it feeling a bit guttless. great video though ;)
Good video. I assume "nippy" is British for lively or responsive? Would have liked to see which is best on gravel or dirt track.
Yes correct on the nippy. Sadly being demo bikes with a £2000 excess on my head off road is a bit risky.
Peppy 😂🏍️
I put the straight street tires on my 650
The Metalar next tire
They r great best I ever rode
Own a DL650 rode around OZ 2up with the wife didn't have a problem sitting on 110klms all day😊
Nice!
I had a look @ 650 Vstrom today and as a 5'8 punter felt totally overwhelmed by the size - I thought it was a 1000. I do a lot of urban commuting on a CB500F, weekend trips. You'd have to get an optional centrestand which is really mandatory.
What a pussy, overwhelmed by regular size bike 😂
What would you say on ktm 950 adventure id like to know 😂👍
Great idea to do both bikes back to back. As I don't do any interstate trips anymore (Australia) the 650 with a large top box and centrestand would meet my needs.
Yeah go to bed, bikes are too fast for you 😁
could you make the template available?
Of what?
@@spicy110 of the deflectors, I tell you their design so that I can have it cut, it can be in jpg
Deflectors? I am still not following you here. Is this about something in the video?
Watching this vid and reading the comments made me want to ride. So just now, after I mowed my front lawn, I jumped on my '11 VSTrom DL650 for a quick ride thru the neighborhood. I don't ride it enough since bought in Feb. But everytime I come back home, I have a big smile on my face. Got to break in my new armored vest and always with my Hi-Viz Bell helmet, gloves but was wearing shorts/tennis from lawn work. I like the new Vstroms' esp the 1000. Howdy from TX.
i own a 650 2018 yellow one...... just the best bike i have ever owned.... i m in love
spoked rims?
Thanks great review. 👍🏼😄
If you are doing mostly highway touring should you opt for 1000? Does the 1000 handle twisties well?
What speed you tour? 120km/hr or more, the 1000cc is going to be more relaxed. Both handle twisties well.
Yes its awesome. Its not heavy or other bs like this.
And even if its heavier you will not feel those few kgs.
The issue is there is huge ownership bias as most people buy smaller one for price reason and then defend their choice.
Bit the truth is, 1000 is objectively better bike
ive owend both. currently on the 1000. i much prefer the 1000. i happily sacrificed some fuel economy for the sake of a better overall riding experience. for me it came down to sustained highway speeds for hours on end. it was a bit of a chore on the 650. i dont like the feeling of the bike being at its top end doing 75mph for 5 or 6 hrs.
75mph is nowhere near it's top end. That's only 6k rpm.
If you ride as you have stated then you have made the right choice in the 1000. 75mph (6000rpm) is my limit for SUSTAINED riding for hours on end.
Take the byway on the 650 instead of the highway on the 1000!
@@MrBenHaynes 6km rpm at 120?
Damn thats pretty bad. I wouldn't want to travel at more than 5k rpm for longer periods
That assured me even more that 1000 is way better overall
@@Angry-Lynx 4500-5500rpm is the sweet spot on the 650 Strom which equates to 90-110km/hr in top gear. It is perfect for enjoying the scenery on Australian speed camera infested lumpy roads. If you frequent “super slab” where everyone sits on 130km/hr (like Americans), then 1000cc is the ticket 🎫