The time skip definitely confused me a bit as a non-book reader as in the back of my mind, knowing Jessica was pregnant, it means all of this went down within a 9-10 month timeframe which could seem a bit too short for all of this to go down and have enough weight behind it. Paul learning things fast is fine but for us believe the love between Paul and Chani is strong enough as well as Paul’s status as the messiah taking hold this fast can seem a bit unlikely
Many changes were bad. In some respects. Accelerating Paul’s ascendency, the talking fetus, Zendaya playing Zendaya instead of Chani, The Landsraad rejecting Paul’s ascendancy to The Golden Lion Throne 🦁 👑. These changes didn’t work.
Too many people misunderstood the book, so we do need someone to oppose Paul so the true message of the book, as described by Frank Herbert himself, would be clearer. And out of all the main characters, Chani makes the most sense to do it. I don't know how they can adapt all of Messiah in Part III with this change though. It will take some time for Chani to come around to play the role she needs to play, and it does sound like they intend her to play the same role (Paul said to his mom that he saw Chani would understand eventually).
You haven't even opened the fucking book, you are just repeating what other clowns on the internet told you. "Cautionary tale" my ass, Dune is a lot, LOT more than just a warning about false prophets. But hey, gotta defend the new garbage, am I right?
Comic relief *characters* are an abomination. Doing it to serious characters is even worse. comic relief *moments* can be good but thazt's a totally different thing.
I really liked the part f.e. when they discussed the hiding place of the nukes, between Stilgar and Gurney. That was some lighthearted fun, but it didn't take away from any of the seriousness of the characters.
@@Kotiha_Studio I haven't seen Dune 2 yet (not visiting cinemas in the pandemic when they aren't advertising their ventilation systems) but Gimli was an atrocity in the LotR film I watched.
I thought Chani should have came around by the end of the film as it just seems immature of her to hate on Paul when she saw everything go down and witnessed that he in fact is the one and all the prophecy stuff isn’t just a story anymore.
I wouldn’t say it was immarure. She knows the prophecy is just made up to use and manipuate her people, even if it seems like some of the events actually played out the way it was said in it. And now Paul takes them off-planet, into a long and bloody war that has basically nothing to do with the Fremen and restoring Arrakis anymore.
He does have the sight and says in time she we come to accept it. I imagine she comes around during the war and will be in the same place as the book come messiah.
@@Kotiha_StudioPaul literally has dreams of the his people being destroyed by the fremen, he literally tells individuals what they personally dreamed, the fremen attacks their home and he has visions of Chani dying. These events pushed him over the edge
The way Dune Part 2 portrayed Chani was an insult. In the books Chani was a fierce warrior, priestess, and the rock that kept Paul grounded. Chani was his confidant, the person he told everything to, the only way Paul was able to experience any emotion was through her. In this movie she is portrayed as a week short sighted fool, not the strong survivor of the desert.
Wait, Stilgar the comic relief? Are you seeing this through a post-cinema, internet meme lens? Because in the theater his character was so good that we knew he was serious in how he felt, and his meme worthy "Lisan Al-Gaib" reaction happened during epic moments in the film. The true comic relief has been Gurney Halleck from the first movie, and especially part 2.
Well I felt it already in the cinema, but probably didn’t help that the audiance I was with just laughed at everything like it was the funniest thing they ever heard 😅 But as I said, it’s not a big problem, more like just a small nitpick :D
I’m ok if they left out Alia, Thufir etc. But what they should have filmed was the folding of space of the Heighliners. No need for the appearance of the third-stage navigator, but the folding of space itself is as important to the spice and Arrakis. That is a major point why space travel even exist without AI/ machine computing.
This exactly they have failed twice now to portray the navigators, they shouldve had a creepy cameo of guild in flight or redone the scene of navigator speaking to emperor. 7/10
Right now I work on this channel more like an experiment/hobby project so I didn’t want to invest too much into it, but but if it gets bigger I will definitely do that ! :D
I get what you mean. Personally I can pass that as 'artistic liberty', it's the same problem as why main characters rarely wear helmets in battles, because they would just blend in the crowd and it would be really confusing to the audiance to follow the action and recognize who is who. But yes, sometimes it can break the immersion.
@@Kotiha_Studio That's not why they do it and I don't consider it acceptable in fights either. It's not artistic -it's purely commercial. All about brand recognition. They're not worried we'll get the characters confused, just that we'll fail to recognise the *actors*.
"My all time favourite book, for all time ever" is a layover from streaming etc that undermines your critical review. Other than that good observations
“Layover from streaming etc” I’m not sure what that means :D Yes, loving the book already will surely affect my opinions on the movies no matter what, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing. Obviously I try to be as objective as possible, and I try to word my videos to show that they only reflect my personal feelings, and not an objective truth. :D Thanks for the feedback! ❤
@@Kotiha_Studio I thought about that after I made the comment. That's the only thing that doesn't make sense. But storyline wise is it feels like a couple years.
Well the title says books, and even during the video I mentioned some stuff that will be explored only in later movies down the line, so it’s not really that unexpected, but I’m sorry if I ruined something for you, I will be more clear in future videos. I didn’t think it was a big deal, because one, the movies are already toning down the craziness, so I’m not really expecting anything like this adapted in the later ones, and two, the story itself is structured in a way that it’s not really spoiler or shock value dependent. If I’m remembering correctly, even the books themselves spoil stuff sometimes, like how we first learn about Leto’s death in the notes of Irulan, before it even happens in the story. I’m not sure about that tho, so feel free to correct me. Also, I haven’t read that far either, but I don’t think that’s really what happens, I just saw something similar mentioned in a meme and was like ‘Haha funny Rick&Morty joke go brrr’
Together these 2 films form an admirably faithful adaptation, which is easily the best yet, but not a perfect one. My biggest criticism is that the story, especially in Part 2, felt rushed compared to the book. I think Dune deserves 3 films, to allow the inclusion of key scenes and properly portray the passage of time. Part 1 was 2hrs 35mins, while Part 2 was 2hrs 45mins, giving a total run time of 5hr 20mins. There was definitely enough source material to make 3 x ~2hrs movies (~6hrs total).
Yeah, I get what you mean. For me the problem is with a 3 part splitting is that the middle movie would just be significantly less eventful compared to the other two, which could kill the momentum and the hype for the 3rd one. But maybe we can try it out the next time when we remake it 30 years from now 😆
@@Kotiha_Studio If the first film culminates with the Battle of Arrakeen, then there's actually plenty of action to include in the second film. For example: (1) The aftermath of the attack as the remaining Atreides try to find the Fremen while evading Sardaukar in the desert. (This is covered in the book.) (2) Paul's duel with Jamis, but enroute to Sietch Tabr and under shelter of rocks, as in the book. (3) The ongoing Feydakin attacks sabotaging Harkonnen spice mining operations. (4) The plotting between the Baron and Feyd Harkonnen, which was omitted from the film. (5) The infiltration of the Fremen by the Sardaukar and their attempted assassination of Paul, which was also omitted from the film. (6) The eventual destruction of Sietch Tabr, in which Paul and Chani lose their firstborn, portrayed as a climatic battle, would serve as a stinging defeat and a "downer" ending for the second film. The gaps between the films lend themselves to time jumps, so the second film could cover the period between the fall of House Atreides (on Arrakis) and the rise of Paul Maud'dib, several years later. The novel is actually comprised of 3 (not 2) separate books: Dune, Maud'dib and The Prophet, each of which could be adapted into a film, with some events moved around as required, to achieve the desired pacing while ensuring there's enough action. (This was the approach taken by the 2000 TV mini-series adaptation, which had 3 episodes, each named after one of the 3 books in the novel.)
The time skip definitely confused me a bit as a non-book reader as in the back of my mind, knowing Jessica was pregnant, it means all of this went down within a 9-10 month timeframe which could seem a bit too short for all of this to go down and have enough weight behind it. Paul learning things fast is fine but for us believe the love between Paul and Chani is strong enough as well as Paul’s status as the messiah taking hold this fast can seem a bit unlikely
Many changes were bad. In some respects. Accelerating Paul’s ascendency, the talking fetus, Zendaya playing Zendaya instead of Chani, The Landsraad rejecting Paul’s ascendancy to The Golden Lion Throne 🦁 👑.
These changes didn’t work.
Too many people misunderstood the book, so we do need someone to oppose Paul so the true message of the book, as described by Frank Herbert himself, would be clearer. And out of all the main characters, Chani makes the most sense to do it.
I don't know how they can adapt all of Messiah in Part III with this change though. It will take some time for Chani to come around to play the role she needs to play, and it does sound like they intend her to play the same role (Paul said to his mom that he saw Chani would understand eventually).
You haven't even opened the fucking book, you are just repeating what other clowns on the internet told you. "Cautionary tale" my ass, Dune is a lot, LOT more than just a warning about false prophets. But hey, gotta defend the new garbage, am I right?
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WEIRDING WAY?????
HOW DOES CHANI ACT LIKE 21ST CENTURY WESTERN WOMEN???
Stillgar is funny in the beginning due to his believes but in the end you see that his character is a tragic one
I really didn't like how they changed Stillgar, they made him a comic side character and ruined him and his relationship with Paul.
That sub thumbnail tho 🤣🤣🤣
Comic relief *characters* are an abomination. Doing it to serious characters is even worse.
comic relief *moments* can be good but thazt's a totally different thing.
I really liked the part f.e. when they discussed the hiding place of the nukes, between Stilgar and Gurney. That was some lighthearted fun, but it didn't take away from any of the seriousness of the characters.
@@Kotiha_Studio I haven't seen Dune 2 yet (not visiting cinemas in the pandemic when they aren't advertising their ventilation systems) but Gimli was an atrocity in the LotR film I watched.
As if Gurney wouldn't have shot that first mine.
I thought Chani should have came around by the end of the film as it just seems immature of her to hate on Paul when she saw everything go down and witnessed that he in fact is the one and all the prophecy stuff isn’t just a story anymore.
I wouldn’t say it was immarure. She knows the prophecy is just made up to use and manipuate her people, even if it seems like some of the events actually played out the way it was said in it. And now Paul takes them off-planet, into a long and bloody war that has basically nothing to do with the Fremen and restoring Arrakis anymore.
He does have the sight and says in time she we come to accept it. I imagine she comes around during the war and will be in the same place as the book come messiah.
@@Kotiha_StudioPaul literally has dreams of the his people being destroyed by the fremen, he literally tells individuals what they personally dreamed, the fremen attacks their home and he has visions of Chani dying. These events pushed him over the edge
The way Dune Part 2 portrayed Chani was an insult. In the books Chani was a fierce warrior, priestess, and the rock that kept Paul grounded. Chani was his confidant, the person he told everything to, the only way Paul was able to experience any emotion was through her. In this movie she is portrayed as a week short sighted fool, not the strong survivor of the desert.
Wait, Stilgar the comic relief? Are you seeing this through a post-cinema, internet meme lens? Because in the theater his character was so good that we knew he was serious in how he felt, and his meme worthy "Lisan Al-Gaib" reaction happened during epic moments in the film. The true comic relief has been Gurney Halleck from the first movie, and especially part 2.
Well I felt it already in the cinema, but probably didn’t help that the audiance I was with just laughed at everything like it was the funniest thing they ever heard 😅 But as I said, it’s not a big problem, more like just a small nitpick :D
In my theatre every time Stilgar spoke the whole crowd laughed
@@ademarlima1217 Damn, I guess it was intentional and I didn't get it lol
I'm glad we didn't get to see another Renesmee.
I’m ok if they left out Alia, Thufir etc. But what they should have filmed was the folding of space of the Heighliners. No need for the appearance of the third-stage navigator, but the folding of space itself is as important to the spice and Arrakis. That is a major point why space travel even exist without AI/ machine computing.
This exactly they have failed twice now to portray the navigators, they shouldve had a creepy cameo of guild in flight or redone the scene of navigator speaking to emperor. 7/10
this was a good video but could you purchase a better sounding robot voice
it gets distracting when he sound like C3PO
Right now I work on this channel more like an experiment/hobby project so I didn’t want to invest too much into it, but but if it gets bigger I will definitely do that ! :D
@@Kotiha_Studio thank you
I thought first one was fine but having he fight scene outside was bad.
Now all I'm seeing is clips of Fremen bare-faced in the daytime desert
I get what you mean. Personally I can pass that as 'artistic liberty', it's the same problem as why main characters rarely wear helmets in battles, because they would just blend in the crowd and it would be really confusing to the audiance to follow the action and recognize who is who. But yes, sometimes it can break the immersion.
@@Kotiha_Studio That's not why they do it and I don't consider it acceptable in fights either.
It's not artistic -it's purely commercial. All about brand recognition. They're not worried we'll get the characters confused, just that we'll fail to recognise the *actors*.
"My all time favourite book, for all time ever" is a layover from streaming etc that undermines your critical review.
Other than that good observations
“Layover from streaming etc” I’m not sure what that means :D Yes, loving the book already will surely affect my opinions on the movies no matter what, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing. Obviously I try to be as objective as possible, and I try to word my videos to show that they only reflect my personal feelings, and not an objective truth. :D Thanks for the feedback! ❤
The way it played out I felt like there was some time between the movies like a few years
They said at the end of the first movie that Jessica is pregnant, and she still is during part 2, so that couldn’t be the case. :D
@@Kotiha_Studio I thought about that after I made the comment. That's the only thing that doesn't make sense. But storyline wise is it feels like a couple years.
a director can change aspects of the story, as long as he stays the core themes.
Stilgar's the goat. you don't know ball
Good to know that Joshua is doing well after Wargames
did I just got spoiled at the end of the video? I just ended the first book 😭
@@moon-moth1 but the movie is about the first book, and he spoiled something of the others books
Well the title says books, and even during the video I mentioned some stuff that will be explored only in later movies down the line, so it’s not really that unexpected, but I’m sorry if I ruined something for you, I will be more clear in future videos. I didn’t think it was a big deal, because one, the movies are already toning down the craziness, so I’m not really expecting anything like this adapted in the later ones, and two, the story itself is structured in a way that it’s not really spoiler or shock value dependent. If I’m remembering correctly, even the books themselves spoil stuff sometimes, like how we first learn about Leto’s death in the notes of Irulan, before it even happens in the story. I’m not sure about that tho, so feel free to correct me. Also, I haven’t read that far either, but I don’t think that’s really what happens, I just saw something similar mentioned in a meme and was like ‘Haha funny Rick&Morty joke go brrr’
@@Kotiha_Studio I gotcha bro don't worry, yesterday I saw another video spoiling the same thing lmao
@@thomasaviles8448 Oh, well then it was fated I guess xd
Together these 2 films form an admirably faithful adaptation, which is easily the best yet, but not a perfect one.
My biggest criticism is that the story, especially in Part 2, felt rushed compared to the book.
I think Dune deserves 3 films, to allow the inclusion of key scenes and properly portray the passage of time.
Part 1 was 2hrs 35mins, while Part 2 was 2hrs 45mins, giving a total run time of 5hr 20mins.
There was definitely enough source material to make 3 x ~2hrs movies (~6hrs total).
Yeah, I get what you mean. For me the problem is with a 3 part splitting is that the middle movie would just be significantly less eventful compared to the other two, which could kill the momentum and the hype for the 3rd one. But maybe we can try it out the next time when we remake it 30 years from now 😆
@@Kotiha_Studio If the first film culminates with the Battle of Arrakeen, then there's actually plenty of action to include in the second film.
For example:
(1) The aftermath of the attack as the remaining Atreides try to find the Fremen while evading Sardaukar in the desert. (This is covered in the book.)
(2) Paul's duel with Jamis, but enroute to Sietch Tabr and under shelter of rocks, as in the book.
(3) The ongoing Feydakin attacks sabotaging Harkonnen spice mining operations.
(4) The plotting between the Baron and Feyd Harkonnen, which was omitted from the film.
(5) The infiltration of the Fremen by the Sardaukar and their attempted assassination of Paul, which was also omitted from the film.
(6) The eventual destruction of Sietch Tabr, in which Paul and Chani lose their firstborn, portrayed as a climatic battle, would serve as a stinging defeat and a "downer" ending for the second film.
The gaps between the films lend themselves to time jumps, so the second film could cover the period between the fall of House Atreides (on Arrakis) and the rise of Paul Maud'dib, several years later.
The novel is actually comprised of 3 (not 2) separate books: Dune, Maud'dib and The Prophet, each of which could be adapted into a film, with some events moved around as required, to achieve the desired pacing while ensuring there's enough action.
(This was the approach taken by the 2000 TV mini-series adaptation, which had 3 episodes, each named after one of the 3 books in the novel.)
By title alone this already deserves a thumb down.
Why ? :D