He's very impressive, and I live in Massachusetts, so I know good goaltending when I see it. Mid-Jan '24, he's probably the best right now, from what I've actually seen. Right now, I'd bet on the Canucks all the way.
Wait, wait... I can explain! Demko didn't strike me as a surprise or unusual story (which was the main point of the video) and he wasn't my Vezina pick at the end.
@@abigailionce8922 Yes - and I actually like watching his game more. Guy is so athletic. There were other goalies I probably could have included in this video, too, like Charlie Lindgren in Washington. Maybe I'll have to do a part two for this at some point!
The players are just simply getting better. The league wants more goals to be scored and when that happens the media goes into shock and start saying the goalies in the NHL are showing minor regressions.
@@visualdarknessThe game ebbs and flows between defense, and, offense always has. I remember the ‘90’s during the age of the the “trap” everyone was losing their minds over poor scoring
A real surprise this season has been Lyon in Detroit. He was considered the #3 going in and is putting up top ten numbers on a defensively porous team.
Shesty’s problem with consistency most probably comes from his injury early in the season, and hopefully he can regain his rhythm. NYR defense was better when the team lacked stars (Shesterkin and Fox), which likely came from a psychological effect, so what they need now is to regain that grit and mentality.
I'm old enough to remember league avg sv% of like .865. That's before crazy tall thigh rise and synthetic materials. They need to go to 10" or 9" wide pads and drop the thigh rise to like 2".
Players are getting better and a lot of teams aren't focusing as much on their defense as they should be. The league wants more goals, that's why they shrunk all goalie equipment. Goals make highlight reels which are seen by non-hockey fans and get them interested in the game. Some of us love to watch a 1-0 or 2-1, 35+ shots a side goalie battle. A lot of newer hockey fans think it's boring. As goalies start to adapt and shut down shooters, the NHL will find another way to cut their legs out from under them. First was the Brodeur rule, then the gear shrinking; next they'll pull some shit like forcing the goalie to stay in the paint. The only thing people care about goalies for is to have someone to blame. Look at the Leafs. Their whole defense is dogshit, but they hang all of their losses on the goaltenders. Expecting your goaltender to make 5-6 "miracle" saves a game and then being pissed when he doesn't is utterly ridiculous.
1. Game is constantly changing and elite players adapt to goalies as well, if you look up shooting patterns you will see big changes especialy compared to the last session 2. some are good against these new strategies others, not so much and some can adapt quite quickly.
@@GoalZoneCharlie those are advanced stats, usually paid service and they can tell you for example from where players scored goal and where they aimed their shots. In summary, Roy pioneered butterfly stance and Luongo set a new standard, simply, bigger goalies can block more shot, to counter that, league got faster and goalies could be caught out of position so they countered that by not going down to butterfly stance immediately, perfected by Vasilevsky, last session McDavid countered that by shooting low, 5h hole and place above pads and under glow, this session snipers like Matthews, Pasta and others copied that, goalies have to either wait to go low and risk missing the shot or they get out of position since they can’t keep up with speed. That is why I feel like its dominated by agile goalies that are good on the ground, big 180 compared to last few sessions and some are faster to adapt than the others
@@BlueFlash25 What a great breakdown! I, too, am a hockey nerd, and love advanced stats. But genuinely didn't know there was a cumulative shooting chart that clearly showed a big difference between this season and last season. I've actually never thought to pay attention to this trend on an intermediate-term macro level. Thanks for sharing.
Bro gotta say… This is the best hockey video I’ve seen in a while. I’m just so impressed. Ima keep typing for a bit to get some more of that sweet viewer retention in. Keep it up man.
Really enjoyed the longer video! Martin Jones is such an interesting story. And nice to see Daccord getting credit for not only this season but his incredible run last post season for the firebirds! Great video.
Dude, I'm 44 and played goal for 25 years (I don't play much anymore, I need to save my knees and hips) but we've never made sense! lol.... Dude, you'd have to be crazy or unusual to take rubber like this and enjoy it, haha.....
Helly is like the little brother that listens to the big kids so he can join in. Hey kid stay in the net if the puck goes left you go left and if right you go right, just stay in front of the puck. Ok, so I can play with you guys?
as i also was a golie then i was a teenager and early 20is. can say its super woodo. its super hard to have the "flow" every game, all season, and so much is how much brain power you put in to it. reading the game, and have quick reflexes. and feel that you can trust the defenders helping you and are placing them selfs there you want them. you are the 2nd capten kind of, its you and the two defenders. so if that dont work, you need to work hard. and doing it solo is almost impossible. the starts need to line up to have a good season.. imagen how good the goalie is then he can keep the starts lined up in the sky for years and years.. i never played in any good division or something like that in Sweden, but still and that was 25 years ago stopped playing. time changes and so have hockey.
You forgot to mention my boy stewie skinner up in Edmonton, he's suddenly turned his playing up another level and has been a huge part of the oilers latest success
Definitely not the video I thought I'd be watching .... maybe instead of who playing well you should be talking about how they play .... how boring goaltending has become . How predictable it is today ... how ROBOTIC the position is ...
The Rangers have also had some fantastic play by their backup Jonathan Quick while the Islanders' Varlamov was hurt and fired idiot coach Lambert put Sorokin in something like 13 straight games, including back to backs. It's no wonder his stats are suffering. Both Shesterkin and Sorokin will bounce back, but the Islanders will need to retool their roster next year to have any lasting chance at being a Stanley Cup threat.
this video is great and i hope you do more like it. as a baseball fan getting into hockey i've been looking for something like baseball bits and this was the closest i've seen so far.
Thank you so much - and I absolutely will. Where can I see the baseball bits you're referring to!? Maybe I can check it out and replicate that formula here. Glad to have a new hockey fan on board 😊
How many times are you going to be surprised? You are analyzing random chaos and trying to find analytical patterns that are simply not there. The NHL has made rules that deliberately add random outcomes to keep the weaker teams in the game. That’s why goaltenders are good one day and suck the next. And they are only as good as their team D, the refs and pure luck let them be. It’s also why so many top teams go out in the first round of the playoffs and unlike every other pro sport, one of the top three teams don’t win the championship on a regular basis. Since the 08 rule changes the league is a statistical crapshoot. Last place to first place doesn’t require a 5 year rebuild anymore - like the Blues when they won the cup and the Oilers this year - you can go from last to first in 40 games. The integrity of the outcome was deliberately compromised to keep the losers happy and hopeful. It’s false parity.
Had to look him up, but damn that sounds like a compliment!? You know what's another gaming channel I really like? Fooster. Guy has great sound - trying to get my audio engineering closer to his for the next video. Appreciate the kind words man. Thank you!!
Igor's problem has to be mental. To me it looks like he just hasn't been the same since his injury from a while back. To make matters worse, our defense hasn't really shown up to any game in 2024 so far, so nobody's backing Igor up.
Saros is also having a terrible season. Last year could be argued that he was the best goalie in the league Goals saved above expected was 46.7 highest in the league. This year it's -6 and he's been really inconsistent.
I would argue Connor Ingram he might not be winning the same amount of games as goalies like hellebuyck but in 27 games 15 wins 5 of them shutouts in what I consider his second actual season in the league also with a respectable 918% in my opinion he could end up helping the coyotes getting a wildcard playoff spot this season if he just tightens up the net a little more and the other players start putting up a few more points
Yes!! Love Ingram. He hit my radar last season when he went off starting sometime in December 2022. Plus, the Coyotes making the playoffs would be so, so cool. Thanks for sharing your take.
I've seen much more stick handling around the net, and guys shooting lower than usual. One timers are coming from in closer with passes across the royal road right in front of the net. All this culminates to make big structured goalies better than athletic goalies this year. I don't think its permanent, but will stay put for the rest of the year.
Montembeault's 45-save win over the Rangers earlier this month was awesome, but I haven't seen him play (outside of highlights) since. How would you rate his play overall? Do you still feel the same after that rough outing at Boston the other night?
The thing to think about also is you can have an amazing goalie but lack defense and they’ll let a lot of goals in or you can have great defense and a bad goalie and they will still let a lot of goals in and look bad both ways.
@@GoalZoneCharlie you are definitely good enough to do this for your living. You are going to make it. keep trying to incorporate a little juicy gossip and differences to set your channel apart from others. The goalie one was a big hit. You’re starting to get some actual fans. I read the comments. You are talented
@@RichardTavilla Was literally on the verge of giving up when you sent this. Thank you for your kindness and inspiring me to keep trying. Seriously, Richard. Hugely appreciated ❤
Please quit saying that "No one expected the Jets to be where they..." true hockey fans with high hockey IQ have known that the Jets have been elite for several years but I'm glad people are FINALLY taking notice. Go Jets Go
Goaltending is as good as the defensive structure in front of the goalie. Allowing offensive zone cross ice passing and other high chance opportunities will result in more goal going. Shots on goal is a stupid stat to refer to. It is the number of grade A opportunities given up that matter. Star players out side the crease struggle at times every year. this happens to goalies as well. Play better defensively as a team and goals against go down. Save percentage does not mean much if your team is not good and give up a lot of grade A chances.
Always nuance and balance to this argument - which is actually part of why it's so polarizing. So many variables to look at (like the ones you mentioned) could make almost every argument could go either way. "How much is it the goalie vs. how much is it x, y, or z?" I think that's why general managers mess up goalie contracts so often, especially as scoring goes up.
Cam Talbot since January 1st: 0-6-2 in 8 games with a goals against average of 4.27 and a save percentage of .873. My bad for the shoutout, Cam!
I'd say for vezina contenders Demko definitely has to be in there somewhere
He's very impressive, and I live in Massachusetts, so I know good goaltending when I see it. Mid-Jan '24, he's probably the best right now, from what I've actually seen.
Right now, I'd bet on the Canucks all the way.
Hellebuyck is better!!
@@LGR910 "...from what I've actually seen." You're being merely contentious.
@@LGR910it’s hard to say. I’d say the jets are better defensively. Look at Laurent Brossoit’s save percentage 0.923
I'd argue Jeremy Swayman is also definitely in the vezina conversation, and Ullmark is right behind him, Boston has an incredible goaltender duo.
I don’t think he plays enough games to be in the conversation. I see where you’re coming from though
Jennings trophy maybe
The fact that Demko wasn't even mentioned is crazy to me
Wait, wait... I can explain! Demko didn't strike me as a surprise or unusual story (which was the main point of the video) and he wasn't my Vezina pick at the end.
@@GoalZoneCharlie makes sense, but I do think he's close to Hellebuyck
@@abigailionce8922 Yes - and I actually like watching his game more. Guy is so athletic. There were other goalies I probably could have included in this video, too, like Charlie Lindgren in Washington. Maybe I'll have to do a part two for this at some point!
@@GoalZoneCharlie completley agree. even Adin Hill has been really good.
@@GoalZoneCharlieokay you made up for it 100 percent your right
HELLE YEAH ✈️ ✈️
Lmao! Definitely gonna have to steal that!
The players are just simply getting better. The league wants more goals to be scored and when that happens the media goes into shock and start saying the goalies in the NHL are showing minor regressions.
Yeah, gone are the times when 2/3 of the players basically couldn't even shoot the puck. Now basically every player in the NHL got offensive skill.
@@visualdarknessThe game ebbs and flows between defense, and, offense always has. I remember the ‘90’s during the age of the the “trap” everyone was losing their minds over poor scoring
@@michaelkilbride6420 And the 80s was a goal scorers dream. You are 100% right. Ebbs and flows.
A real surprise this season has been Lyon in Detroit. He was considered the #3 going in and is putting up top ten numbers on a defensively porous team.
He is very sharp, but you need to be on a winner to get Vezina.
Helly is a beast for sure
Helle getting the Vezina. Guy's consistent af.
I sure hope so, since I put $200 on Hellebuyck to win the Vezina at +420 😬
Great prophecy
Shesty’s problem with consistency most probably comes from his injury early in the season, and hopefully he can regain his rhythm. NYR defense was better when the team lacked stars (Shesterkin and Fox), which likely came from a psychological effect, so what they need now is to regain that grit and mentality.
Makes sense - hoping he can get that rhythm back, as well. I have total faith in the guy.
Hellebuyck and Brossoit best goalie Tandem!!
Idk man them and demko and DeSmith are extremely close
I really enjoyed this, so much that I realized I should subscribe and I rarely think about that.
Made my day. Thanks for sharing this with me and know that I'm glad/lucky to have you watching my videos, my friend.
I'm old enough to remember league avg sv% of like .865. That's before crazy tall thigh rise and synthetic materials. They need to go to 10" or 9" wide pads and drop the thigh rise to like 2".
Players are getting better and a lot of teams aren't focusing as much on their defense as they should be. The league wants more goals, that's why they shrunk all goalie equipment. Goals make highlight reels which are seen by non-hockey fans and get them interested in the game. Some of us love to watch a 1-0 or 2-1, 35+ shots a side goalie battle. A lot of newer hockey fans think it's boring. As goalies start to adapt and shut down shooters, the NHL will find another way to cut their legs out from under them. First was the Brodeur rule, then the gear shrinking; next they'll pull some shit like forcing the goalie to stay in the paint. The only thing people care about goalies for is to have someone to blame. Look at the Leafs. Their whole defense is dogshit, but they hang all of their losses on the goaltenders. Expecting your goaltender to make 5-6 "miracle" saves a game and then being pissed when he doesn't is utterly ridiculous.
Tristan Jarry makes the least sense of all. He has a 14-14 record, but leads the league with 6 shutouts (as of 02/07/24).
1. Game is constantly changing and elite players adapt to goalies as well, if you look up shooting patterns you will see big changes especialy compared to the last session
2. some are good against these new strategies others, not so much and some can adapt quite quickly.
Where can I find those shooting pattern comps? Is there a big yearly chart/heat map somewhere? I'd love to see that - thanks for pointing it out!
@@GoalZoneCharlie those are advanced stats, usually paid service and they can tell you for example from where players scored goal and where they aimed their shots. In summary, Roy pioneered butterfly stance and Luongo set a new standard, simply, bigger goalies can block more shot, to counter that, league got faster and goalies could be caught out of position so they countered that by not going down to butterfly stance immediately, perfected by Vasilevsky, last session McDavid countered that by shooting low, 5h hole and place above pads and under glow, this session snipers like Matthews, Pasta and others copied that, goalies have to either wait to go low and risk missing the shot or they get out of position since they can’t keep up with speed. That is why I feel like its dominated by agile goalies that are good on the ground, big 180 compared to last few sessions and some are faster to adapt than the others
@@BlueFlash25 What a great breakdown! I, too, am a hockey nerd, and love advanced stats. But genuinely didn't know there was a cumulative shooting chart that clearly showed a big difference between this season and last season. I've actually never thought to pay attention to this trend on an intermediate-term macro level. Thanks for sharing.
Bro gotta say… This is the best hockey video I’ve seen in a while. I’m just so impressed. Ima keep typing for a bit to get some more of that sweet viewer retention in. Keep it up man.
There's so much second guessing as a new, small channel. Thank you so much for caring, man. So insanely kind and much appreciated.
@@GoalZoneCharliethis was a good one. This stuff gets good traction
Also samsanov's vacation to the AHL seems to have fixed whatever his problem was, posting a couple or low goal wins since he came back
Yeah he has been doing so much better
Swayman is up there this season right alongside Hele
Really enjoyed the longer video! Martin Jones is such an interesting story. And nice to see Daccord getting credit for not only this season but his incredible run last post season for the firebirds! Great video.
Dude, I'm 44 and played goal for 25 years (I don't play much anymore, I need to save my knees and hips) but we've never made sense! lol.... Dude, you'd have to be crazy or unusual to take rubber like this and enjoy it, haha.....
The goalies-are-wild trope is REAL! But they're also, almost always, such great people to be around. Love that you got a solid 25 years in, man.
I am a goalie so this was very helpful
I havent finished vid yet but to boost ur engagement ill comment that halak was my fav goalie of all time so he always bias GOAT
Wow. for real could not be luckier to have even one person that cares. Thanks, man. Also, Halak was so underrated!!
He had a good career. Good choice, very cool of you
Helly is like the little brother that listens to the big kids so he can join in. Hey kid stay in the net if the puck goes left you go left and if right you go right, just stay in front of the puck. Ok, so I can play with you guys?
as i also was a golie then i was a teenager and early 20is. can say its super woodo. its super hard to have the "flow" every game, all season, and so much is how much brain power you put in to it. reading the game, and have quick reflexes. and feel that you can trust the defenders helping you and are placing them selfs there you want them. you are the 2nd capten kind of, its you and the two defenders. so if that dont work, you need to work hard. and doing it solo is almost impossible. the starts need to line up to have a good season.. imagen how good the goalie is then he can keep the starts lined up in the sky for years and years..
i never played in any good division or something like that in Sweden, but still and that was 25 years ago stopped playing. time changes and so have hockey.
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Thank you!!
You forgot to mention my boy stewie skinner up in Edmonton, he's suddenly turned his playing up another level and has been a huge part of the oilers latest success
Another commenter mentioned him!! Part two, for sure! Thanks, man.
Happy for him and you guys
Shesty should be removed of this After his Playoff Performance
Definitely not the video I thought I'd be watching .... maybe instead of who playing well you should be talking about how they play .... how boring goaltending has become . How predictable it is today ... how ROBOTIC the position is ...
Love it. I'll do that eventually!
Good vid dawg
Great video, I wasn't ready for it to end (partly because I was waiting to hear Demko's name ;) )
Hahaha! I PROMISE a Demko segment in the future. Thank you for the kind words, my friend.
The Rangers have also had some fantastic play by their backup Jonathan Quick while the Islanders' Varlamov was hurt and fired idiot coach Lambert put Sorokin in something like 13 straight games, including back to backs. It's no wonder his stats are suffering.
Both Shesterkin and Sorokin will bounce back, but the Islanders will need to retool their roster next year to have any lasting chance at being a Stanley Cup threat.
Completely agree!
this video is great and i hope you do more like it. as a baseball fan getting into hockey i've been looking for something like baseball bits and this was the closest i've seen so far.
Thank you so much - and I absolutely will. Where can I see the baseball bits you're referring to!? Maybe I can check it out and replicate that formula here. Glad to have a new hockey fan on board 😊
@@GoalZoneCharlie
ua-cam.com/play/PLSWZPByMPDY3h0gulNOh8FzC9mfrn2U6Q.html
Anymore?!? They've always been. 😂
How many times are you going to be surprised? You are analyzing random chaos and trying to find analytical patterns that are simply not there. The NHL has made rules that deliberately add random outcomes to keep the weaker teams in the game. That’s why goaltenders are good one day and suck the next. And they are only as good as their team D, the refs and pure luck let them be. It’s also why so many top teams go out in the first round of the playoffs and unlike every other pro sport, one of the top three teams don’t win the championship on a regular basis. Since the 08 rule changes the league is a statistical crapshoot. Last place to first place doesn’t require a 5 year rebuild anymore - like the Blues when they won the cup and the Oilers this year - you can go from last to first in 40 games. The integrity of the outcome was deliberately compromised to keep the losers happy and hopeful. It’s false parity.
Nice breakdown, man.
I’m sorry but you sound like markiplier I love it. Good video
Had to look him up, but damn that sounds like a compliment!? You know what's another gaming channel I really like? Fooster. Guy has great sound - trying to get my audio engineering closer to his for the next video. Appreciate the kind words man. Thank you!!
How on EARTH does he not mention the CLEAR cut #2 goalie in the game??? Demko?!?
I'll address this when I get to doing a part two! Thanks for checking out my video, man.
Igor's problem has to be mental. To me it looks like he just hasn't been the same since his injury from a while back. To make matters worse, our defense hasn't really shown up to any game in 2024 so far, so nobody's backing Igor up.
Saros is also having a terrible season. Last year could be argued that he was the best goalie in the league Goals saved above expected was 46.7 highest in the league. This year it's -6 and he's been really inconsistent.
Oh, that's definitely a good one. Added to the list for part two! Nice call.
Players are getting better. Not a whole lot of improvement goalies can do. Unless the increase their surface area.
For sure! Plus, there's less kids who come up wanting to be goalies.
Bigger net+ smaller pads = more goalsm. It's almost like those rule changes were intentional or something
Yes... almost....... 🧐
Demko doin Demko things in Van and not even a whiff on this video... Okay than..
There will be a part two!
Goalies never made sense.
I would argue Connor Ingram he might not be winning the same amount of games as goalies like hellebuyck but in 27 games 15 wins 5 of them shutouts in what I consider his second actual season in the league also with a respectable 918% in my opinion he could end up helping the coyotes getting a wildcard playoff spot this season if he just tightens up the net a little more and the other players start putting up a few more points
Yes!! Love Ingram. He hit my radar last season when he went off starting sometime in December 2022. Plus, the Coyotes making the playoffs would be so, so cool. Thanks for sharing your take.
I watched him live in the global series in Australia and that kind of put the entire coyotes team on my radar but mainly Cooley and Ingram
He did it
Skinner had been on a great stretch..
Definitely a great story. Will add in part two.
I've seen much more stick handling around the net, and guys shooting lower than usual. One timers are coming from in closer with passes across the royal road right in front of the net.
All this culminates to make big structured goalies better than athletic goalies this year. I don't think its permanent, but will stay put for the rest of the year.
Really great take/observations.
Get some respect on Samuel montenbeault 😅
Montembeault's 45-save win over the Rangers earlier this month was awesome, but I haven't seen him play (outside of highlights) since. How would you rate his play overall? Do you still feel the same after that rough outing at Boston the other night?
In boston he had a off night but the defence didn’t help😅 since the start of the season he has been bailling us out night in night out🙌🏻
Don’t mean anything till it’s playoffs. How your goalie plays in the playoffs matters most. The best goalies are at their best in the playoffs
A lot of truth to this.
i’m surprised hellebuyck is that good and can see pucks that well with that massive sniffer in the way
🤥
The thing to think about also is you can have an amazing goalie but lack defense and they’ll let a lot of goals in or you can have great defense and a bad goalie and they will still let a lot of goals in and look bad both ways.
Absolutely.
I never realized how big helly’s ears are 💀
😂
Good insight with this one. Spot on too
Thank you for the love man. Much, much appreciated.
@@GoalZoneCharlie I’m sharing your work with other hockey guys
@@RichardTavilla Damn. Made my whole day. Thanks again man :)
@@GoalZoneCharlie you are definitely good enough to do this for your living. You are going to make it. keep trying to incorporate a little juicy gossip and differences to set your channel apart from others. The goalie one was a big hit. You’re starting to get some actual fans. I read the comments. You are talented
@@RichardTavilla Was literally on the verge of giving up when you sent this. Thank you for your kindness and inspiring me to keep trying. Seriously, Richard. Hugely appreciated ❤
Connor Hellebuyck or Demko for vezina
If you have to pick one, though... who's your guy?
@@GoalZoneCharlieDemko
nhl goalies are no fun to watch anymore. all the same robot movement
As sports evolve and the years pass, the motions do become more and more robotic. So true.
@@GoalZoneCharlie you gotter man
Missing the wild flair of Hasek! And though he was a rival, Roy made the game interesting to watch too
Please quit saying that "No one expected the Jets to be where they..." true hockey fans with high hockey IQ have known that the Jets have been elite for several years but I'm glad people are FINALLY taking notice. Go Jets Go
Demko will win the vesna
Sure but hellebuyck will win the “Vezina”😂😂
Goaltending is as good as the defensive structure in front of the goalie. Allowing offensive zone cross ice passing and other high chance opportunities will result in more goal going. Shots on goal is a stupid stat to refer to. It is the number of grade A opportunities given up that matter. Star players out side the crease struggle at times every year. this happens to goalies as well. Play better defensively as a team and goals against go down. Save percentage does not mean much if your team is not good and give up a lot of grade A chances.
Always nuance and balance to this argument - which is actually part of why it's so polarizing. So many variables to look at (like the ones you mentioned) could make almost every argument could go either way. "How much is it the goalie vs. how much is it x, y, or z?" I think that's why general managers mess up goalie contracts so often, especially as scoring goes up.
justin bieber isnt a zoomer, dude is 40
Wait, is he for real though!?
@@GoalZoneCharlieI just looked this up - Biebs is for sure a Millennial, not a Zoomer. He turns 30 on March 1st!
God I love minor league hockey
Lmao!