Niko and I with a random made it to the last round of a tournament in The Finals. Only to find that one of the players was likely using an aimbot to beat us.
I've only run into one cheater so far in 20 hours, the same guy but twice. First he was on our team, me and my duo repeatedly fire bombed him after we noticed his cheats but we noticed he wasn't really helping in most fights and was mainly fighting one team while we duo the other, so we continued to play the game out and win. Then a couple games later we came up against him. Even though he had wall and aim hacks he lacked movement and awareness so we managed to sneak up on him a couple times and still win.
@julio1148 when spectating you can see / hear when they activate that ability. Plus he was just constantly walling for much longer period of times than the ability allows
i personally haven't run into many cheaters, but I haven't played more than a single tournament either, I have run into a couple cheaters in quick play though. This one dude on a team by himself using a light with the silenced pistol and shooting it as fast as the mac11 and hitting every shot and just wiping full teams by himself with ease.
They also made it harder to report enemy team members, at the end of the game you can report your teammates directly, but for the others, you have to go to Friends, then recent, look up the name, IF you even remember it, and then report.
Ran into the same exact thing on ps5. Dude was instant snap shooting from all angles with perfect precision all match. I think wallhacks as well, but try to give em benefit of the doubt and think MAYBE they had recon senses ?
bro the only actual ranked tournament I played we had a super clear hacker on our team and we only lost because the other final team had 2 hackers. I really don't see myself playing this game again until they do something about the blatant hacking that's been going on since day one.
That sounds awful. I did find more cheaters in ranked than regular or quick play. It comes with the issue of needing a better system upon the full release of the game.
BETA, already cheaters.... The only thing that will ruin this game... cheaters... I don't understand why every game uses EAC but every single one of those games still has hackers.... Why use EAC?
Right? We were talking about this too. Maybe they only have EAC for the open beta, and they might use something better for the full release, but I agree. Cheaters will ruin the game if they aren't dealt with and deterred.
to be honest , EAC works perfectly its just there are several drivers that cheaters use which disables EAC , there's a recent Vanguard Driver too , which boots up before Vanguard and disables it's functions or something ( its complex ) so yeah its not entirely their fault, its just the programmers are just pro@@AccountBurner
In betas they use cheaters to gather data to help develop the anti cheat for the full release, there will obviously always be cheaters but its usually more "allowed" in betas to help keep cheaters to a minimum on launch. The same for all betas.
Out of almost 200 matches id say ive encountered at least a dozen blatant cheaters and a few dozen that either were cheating or just cracked out. The cheaters i hate encountering the most are the ones that do have more than average skill level and choose to still use cheats. They become unkillable gods... 💀
@@AccountBurner I think it's the if you can't beat them join them weak take. Imo... Either way it's not just no thumb Timmy's anymore using cheats... :/
@@leoaxiom I notice it so much more on PC games. I stopped playing PUBG because of how infested that game is with cheaters. Even without free-to-play games and hardware bans-- there's always a way around it. They'll always find a way, which ruins the fun for other people.
@@AccountBurner I'm a firm believer too the the cheaters that do get caught typically are running multiple cheats at the same time. But due to skill variance I don't know that anti cheats can seem to find aim hacks. It might be because if they tick it higher to respond you end up with good players (non cheaters) getting banned. Hard to understand how the anti cheat could find such offenders if the aim hacks not completely inhuman. Seems you can hide behind smoother programming that tricks anti cheat into not seeing a discrepancy with your aim. I'm probably just trying to make sense of something I don't understand though lol 🤣 sorry for long winded response haha
Yea I saw a light completely wipe 2 teams by himself, even with cheats that takes skill, but it's impossible without cheats.mp5 never missed a single headshot, knew where every player was even when they ran away while he wasn't looking, pre fired every corner and hearshot every bullet, 3 people quit the match after that
I mean, is he cheating? maybe maybe not. Only a few moments that were sus, he could just know the recoil patterns for the gun, and shooting people flying through the air is super easy. Regardless, if he was actually cheating it does suck. Hopefully the data collected on the cheaters in the beta can make the launch a better experience when it comes to Anti cheat and cheaters.
The fact that there is always someone who defends these cheaters makes me feel like they are covering for themselves..you can get on Google and within 10 min become a cheater..people act like it's some kinda of super difficult thing to do.. a credit card and 10 min , you'll be 100 percent headshotting everything...
@@chuckironsight3914 Exactly. Maybe the process is lengthy on console where I came from but PC is a different ball game where you constantly have to look out for them.
I've got 30-kill games on my channel so that / his combat score isn't that suspiscious..... Its just the fact every single shot seems to land directly on your head from any range / angle even when full auto. Dunno how strong controllers AA is in this so most likely a low / no recoil scripter
It sucks because i want to like this game, no one i know plays this game. I have been killed from across the map by lights with an mp5 while mid air. It feels stupid to say anything because all most people say is GIT GUD...im still trying to learn this game and quick play is riddled with players getting 25 plus kills per match...i have 10 hours in and 8 of them have been horrible..my first 2 hours i was winning 90 percent of the games, now im 9 and 30....
I'm sorry to hear that. It's awful when a game is ruined by cheaters. I thought they would have something better than Easy Anti-Cheat but I don't notice as many cheaters as the beta. The best role to counter cheaters is Heavy by using both shields and close quarters, but that's only if you get lucky. The Finals is a great game and I encourage you to keep playing but it's up to you. Hope it gets better as the game ages up a little bit.
@@AccountBurner problem is , people that pay a few hundred for cheats will also drop a few hundred for skins, so game companies dont mind it as much as youd think. even the "pros" use cheats, they arent as blantant and their real skill hide alot of it but idk how many pro gamers i have to watch stare at a wall for 10-20 sec for no obvious reason right before they kill someone coming around the corner. its sucks even saying it because no one believes it
This game will be plagued by cheater. That’s the cost of a free game. Hopefully they are able to keep a group of moderators constantly banning people daily.
The last game i played in finals i landed with a enemy cheater he just knows all the locations and the bullets were passing thru walls and was killing everybody in spawn and it was a tournament mode
I actually heard from a Xbox player that the aim assist for controllers is also kind of aggressive. Keyboard and mouse users are definitely at a disadvantage. But yeah, the use of Easy Anti-Cheat should be a no-go none the less. And I do not understand the people saying: "skill issue copium" and stuff like that. Of course there are a lot of people better than others but that does not mean you can have perfect tracking all the time and only do headshots. I wish they would add AI Anti-Cheat from a service like anybrain or at a system like Overwatch that CS:GO had back then.
Right. I can see aim assist being very strong for console players similar to Apex or COD. I think they can experiment with different methods to make it more fair since not everyone on PC has perfect tracking. It's hard to get a good anti-cheat but you're right with Overwatch because it had very few cheaters from my experience, compared to a game like PUBG that made it free-to-play and banned about 100k accounts every two weeks. Niko found cheats for The Finals after a quick google search and the devs acknowledged the rise of cheating in their discord server. Hopefully it will be dealt with accordingly.
In the update today they actually did some changes to the anti-cheat. I was not referring to Overwatch (2) by the way I was talking about Overwatch in CS:GO which was a system that would allow users with at least 500 hours of playtime to review a couple of rounds of a suspected cheater in the demo viewer of the game and then judge that gameplay in terms of if they think it had an aimbot, wallhack or other hacks involved. If enough users would vote for any of the three the suspect would be banned. It was actually kind of fun and there is a lot of videos on UA-cam of people reviewing and doing Overwatch sessions. Just look up "Sparkles Overwatch" and you will probably find a ton. I think that would be great but probably impossible to implement for THE FINALS.@@AccountBurner
I really don’t think that the overwatch anti-cheat is going to be doing much of anything considering the blatant amount of cheating I keep saying from them
I really don’t think that the overwatch anti-cheat is going to be doing much of anything considering the blatant amount of cheating I keep saying from them
I dont see any evidence that guy is cheating, but what I can see I that you took a lot of poor decisions to try to get back that cash deposit when they had higher ground.
I can see it possibly being a cheater. The fact that Miller misses shots up close tells me that Miller may just have exceptional far aim as well. But has poor reflexes so cannot fight up close well. Landing all the shots on jump pads is not that hard far away if you see the jumper running up to it. Jump pads always travel at the same angle. Having an FCAR helps for far range fights too with the sight (AFK clone gun if I remember right)
@@zs9652 The FCAR is far better at close range than long range. You can look at anyone of my shorts using that for proof. Poor reflexes at close range doesn't make any sense because it's more difficult to make micro adjustments for movement at longer ranges.
@@AccountBurner FCAR is better at longer ranges than APK. It is still viable as a ranged weapon from when I played with teammates using it. Also longer ranges uses hand eye coordination more than split second reflexes. Mainly because you are shooting at someone moving in a predictable line more than anything. Basically the difference between quickly moving your mouse to a super precise spot on your screen compared to targeting a randomly moving quick but bigger spot. Edit to add: Sniping targets that are moving randomly is much harder farther away than up close though. That is true. The later problem fights Miller won was when you were trying to take the last cashout faraway by moving through the long walkway.
@@AccountBurner You're assuming he is 100% consistent but thats not humanly possible. Him whiffing on close-range is just part of the game. If he was cheating tho, he would not have whiffed like that. Also most of the fights you had with him was where he had the higher ground which gives him an huge advantage. The one time you manage to kill him was on even ground.
guy playing is using the worst shotgun in the game and pretending to get kills. we already know you are cheating. you have a custom reticle. google exists
I am cheating? The heavy shotgun is actually one of the best in the game at close ranges. Also, you can customise your own reticle in the game, it's quite literally the first thing they make you do in the settings. And yes, Google does exist...
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It's a shame when the match is ruined by these blatant cheaters, and I have experienced the same thing today.
I've only run into one cheater so far in 20 hours, the same guy but twice. First he was on our team, me and my duo repeatedly fire bombed him after we noticed his cheats but we noticed he wasn't really helping in most fights and was mainly fighting one team while we duo the other, so we continued to play the game out and win. Then a couple games later we came up against him. Even though he had wall and aim hacks he lacked movement and awareness so we managed to sneak up on him a couple times and still win.
I’m curious, how did you notice he had walls? I know medium class has a special ability to see through walls, was he a different class?
@julio1148 when spectating you can see / hear when they activate that ability. Plus he was just constantly walling for much longer period of times than the ability allows
This is why I love console with crossplay off. There's so few cheaters because they actually lose their ability to play if they get caught.
Ha, yeah. Lucky you.
They are still out there though! That’s for sure. Haha
happened to me but it was actually 2 cheaters in one team. they still lost tho so imagine being so bad that even with blatant cheats you cant win
They're seriously going to have to add Killcams FRFR.
Definitely, I hope they do.
i personally haven't run into many cheaters, but I haven't played more than a single tournament either, I have run into a couple cheaters in quick play though. This one dude on a team by himself using a light with the silenced pistol and shooting it as fast as the mac11 and hitting every shot and just wiping full teams by himself with ease.
They also made it harder to report enemy team members, at the end of the game you can report your teammates directly, but for the others, you have to go to Friends, then recent, look up the name, IF you even remember it, and then report.
Ran into the same exact thing on ps5. Dude was instant snap shooting from all angles with perfect precision all match.
I think wallhacks as well, but try to give em benefit of the doubt and think MAYBE they had recon senses ?
You're right, recon senses on medium is basically wallhacks. I love using it so much but feel it will be nerfed or removed from the full release.
bro the only actual ranked tournament I played we had a super clear hacker on our team and we only lost because the other final team had 2 hackers. I really don't see myself playing this game again until they do something about the blatant hacking that's been going on since day one.
That sounds awful. I did find more cheaters in ranked than regular or quick play. It comes with the issue of needing a better system upon the full release of the game.
God I just started this game .. and it's just beautiful
You're right, it's fantastic.
BETA, already cheaters.... The only thing that will ruin this game... cheaters... I don't understand why every game uses EAC but every single one of those games still has hackers.... Why use EAC?
Right? We were talking about this too. Maybe they only have EAC for the open beta, and they might use something better for the full release, but I agree. Cheaters will ruin the game if they aren't dealt with and deterred.
to be honest , EAC works perfectly its just there are several drivers that cheaters use which disables EAC , there's a recent Vanguard Driver too , which boots up before Vanguard and disables it's functions or something ( its complex ) so yeah its not entirely their fault, its just the programmers are just pro@@AccountBurner
nice gameplay though 👍
In betas they use cheaters to gather data to help develop the anti cheat for the full release, there will obviously always be cheaters but its usually more "allowed" in betas to help keep cheaters to a minimum on launch. The same for all betas.
Out of almost 200 matches id say ive encountered at least a dozen blatant cheaters and a few dozen that either were cheating or just cracked out. The cheaters i hate encountering the most are the ones that do have more than average skill level and choose to still use cheats. They become unkillable gods... 💀
Ha, yeah. Makes you wonder why they don't just play without them if they're already above average.
@@AccountBurner I think it's the if you can't beat them join them weak take. Imo... Either way it's not just no thumb Timmy's anymore using cheats... :/
@@leoaxiom I notice it so much more on PC games. I stopped playing PUBG because of how infested that game is with cheaters. Even without free-to-play games and hardware bans-- there's always a way around it. They'll always find a way, which ruins the fun for other people.
@@AccountBurner I'm a firm believer too the the cheaters that do get caught typically are running multiple cheats at the same time. But due to skill variance I don't know that anti cheats can seem to find aim hacks. It might be because if they tick it higher to respond you end up with good players (non cheaters) getting banned. Hard to understand how the anti cheat could find such offenders if the aim hacks not completely inhuman. Seems you can hide behind smoother programming that tricks anti cheat into not seeing a discrepancy with your aim. I'm probably just trying to make sense of something I don't understand though lol 🤣 sorry for long winded response haha
Yea I saw a light completely wipe 2 teams by himself, even with cheats that takes skill, but it's impossible without cheats.mp5 never missed a single headshot, knew where every player was even when they ran away while he wasn't looking, pre fired every corner and hearshot every bullet, 3 people quit the match after that
I mean, is he cheating? maybe maybe not. Only a few moments that were sus, he could just know the recoil patterns for the gun, and shooting people flying through the air is super easy. Regardless, if he was actually cheating it does suck. Hopefully the data collected on the cheaters in the beta can make the launch a better experience when it comes to Anti cheat and cheaters.
Cheats are so easy to get now that I wouldn't be surprised, it's almost anticipated.
The fact that there is always someone who defends these cheaters makes me feel like they are covering for themselves..you can get on Google and within 10 min become a cheater..people act like it's some kinda of super difficult thing to do.. a credit card and 10 min , you'll be 100 percent headshotting everything...
@@chuckironsight3914 Exactly. Maybe the process is lengthy on console where I came from but PC is a different ball game where you constantly have to look out for them.
I've got 30-kill games on my channel so that / his combat score isn't that suspiscious..... Its just the fact every single shot seems to land directly on your head from any range / angle even when full auto. Dunno how strong controllers AA is in this so most likely a low / no recoil scripter
But a 10k+ combat score in a 3v3 is suspicious because it was the final round. I don't believe it's the total score of all 3 games in a tournament.
Trueee i feel ya@@AccountBurner
It sucks because i want to like this game, no one i know plays this game. I have been killed from across the map by lights with an mp5 while mid air. It feels stupid to say anything because all most people say is GIT GUD...im still trying to learn this game and quick play is riddled with players getting 25 plus kills per match...i have 10 hours in and 8 of them have been horrible..my first 2 hours i was winning 90 percent of the games, now im 9 and 30....
I'm sorry to hear that. It's awful when a game is ruined by cheaters. I thought they would have something better than Easy Anti-Cheat but I don't notice as many cheaters as the beta. The best role to counter cheaters is Heavy by using both shields and close quarters, but that's only if you get lucky. The Finals is a great game and I encourage you to keep playing but it's up to you. Hope it gets better as the game ages up a little bit.
@@AccountBurner problem is , people that pay a few hundred for cheats will also drop a few hundred for skins, so game companies dont mind it as much as youd think. even the "pros" use cheats, they arent as blantant and their real skill hide alot of it but idk how many pro gamers i have to watch stare at a wall for 10-20 sec for no obvious reason right before they kill someone coming around the corner. its sucks even saying it because no one believes it
If you are on the Asia server then you will meet them every match
That's unfortunate. I wish they'd have a better system than easy anti-cheat.
This game will be plagued by cheater. That’s the cost of a free game. Hopefully they are able to keep a group of moderators constantly banning people daily.
Yeah, they need to establish something better, and hopefully will with the full release of the game.
The last game i played in finals i landed with a enemy cheater he just knows all the locations and the bullets were passing thru walls and was killing everybody in spawn and it was a tournament mode
Sadly more common nowadays I think.
I actually heard from a Xbox player that the aim assist for controllers is also kind of aggressive. Keyboard and mouse users are definitely at a disadvantage. But yeah, the use of Easy Anti-Cheat should be a no-go none the less. And I do not understand the people saying: "skill issue copium" and stuff like that. Of course there are a lot of people better than others but that does not mean you can have perfect tracking all the time and only do headshots. I wish they would add AI Anti-Cheat from a service like anybrain or at a system like Overwatch that CS:GO had back then.
Right. I can see aim assist being very strong for console players similar to Apex or COD. I think they can experiment with different methods to make it more fair since not everyone on PC has perfect tracking.
It's hard to get a good anti-cheat but you're right with Overwatch because it had very few cheaters from my experience, compared to a game like PUBG that made it free-to-play and banned about 100k accounts every two weeks.
Niko found cheats for The Finals after a quick google search and the devs acknowledged the rise of cheating in their discord server. Hopefully it will be dealt with accordingly.
In the update today they actually did some changes to the anti-cheat. I was not referring to Overwatch (2) by the way I was talking about Overwatch in CS:GO which was a system that would allow users with at least 500 hours of playtime to review a couple of rounds of a suspected cheater in the demo viewer of the game and then judge that gameplay in terms of if they think it had an aimbot, wallhack or other hacks involved. If enough users would vote for any of the three the suspect would be banned. It was actually kind of fun and there is a lot of videos on UA-cam of people reviewing and doing Overwatch sessions. Just look up "Sparkles Overwatch" and you will probably find a ton. I think that would be great but probably impossible to implement for THE FINALS.@@AccountBurner
I really don’t think that the overwatch anti-cheat is going to be doing much of anything considering the blatant amount of cheating I keep saying from them
I really don’t think that the overwatch anti-cheat is going to be doing much of anything considering the blatant amount of cheating I keep saying from them
@@davisbakker4904 This is when I was playing the first Overwatch, can't speak so much for the second.
How sad can you be to cheat in a game like this?
I know right? Especially an open beta. Couldn't even wait til the release, lol.
Every game i played i encountered hackers.
I dont see any evidence that guy is cheating, but what I can see I that you took a lot of poor decisions to try to get back that cash deposit when they had higher ground.
Sheeesh! We just started playing the game! 🤣
I can see it possibly being a cheater. The fact that Miller misses shots up close tells me that Miller may just have exceptional far aim as well. But has poor reflexes so cannot fight up close well.
Landing all the shots on jump pads is not that hard far away if you see the jumper running up to it. Jump pads always travel at the same angle.
Having an FCAR helps for far range fights too with the sight (AFK clone gun if I remember right)
@@zs9652 The FCAR is far better at close range than long range. You can look at anyone of my shorts using that for proof. Poor reflexes at close range doesn't make any sense because it's more difficult to make micro adjustments for movement at longer ranges.
@@AccountBurner FCAR is better at longer ranges than APK. It is still viable as a ranged weapon from when I played with teammates using it.
Also longer ranges uses hand eye coordination more than split second reflexes. Mainly because you are shooting at someone moving in a predictable line more than anything.
Basically the difference between quickly moving your mouse to a super precise spot on your screen compared to targeting a randomly moving quick but bigger spot.
Edit to add: Sniping targets that are moving randomly is much harder farther away than up close though. That is true. The later problem fights Miller won was when you were trying to take the last cashout faraway by moving through the long walkway.
@@AccountBurner You're assuming he is 100% consistent but thats not humanly possible. Him whiffing on close-range is just part of the game. If he was cheating tho, he would not have whiffed like that. Also most of the fights you had with him was where he had the higher ground which gives him an huge advantage. The one time you manage to kill him was on even ground.
guy playing is using the worst shotgun in the game and pretending to get kills. we already know you are cheating. you have a custom reticle. google exists
I am cheating? The heavy shotgun is actually one of the best in the game at close ranges. Also, you can customise your own reticle in the game, it's quite literally the first thing they make you do in the settings. And yes, Google does exist...