You'd be surprised actually. During the tbc prepatch I've seen an enhance shaman in blues/greens pull the same dps numbers as a full bis t3 warrior in a naxx raid. The only thing he needed was rank 14 weapons and world buffs. The ability to dual-wield with double wf weapon is all he needed to pump as a fresh toon. Mind you that during the tbc prepatch they introduced the 3s icd to windfury proc, but we are in the vanilla patch so the icd is around 0.4s-1.5s, shaman disc doesn't seem to know the exact timer to the icd but in their point of view it's almost nonexistent. In simple words a shorter icd means more wf procs. So on paper enhance should be one of the top 3 dps classes on single target. It's to the point where I'm not surprised if enh's receives the first nerf hammer in phase 2 when they start globaling people in PvP
But now everyone has duel wield wind fury because of druids. This just tells me that WF is busted… and Druid already has wind fury but they aren’t number 1 damage just by existing.
@@javamonkeyj shamans got their own wf imbued which is far better than the normal wf/wild strikes cause it provides 2 auto attacks instead of 1 and they can apply wf imbued on the offhand too while wildstrikes can only be applied to MH. Shaman only unlocks this imbued at lvl 30 hence the meta right now is running double rockbiter imbues.
@JonEricLomas there's some theory crafting in the shaman disc saying double rockbiter will stay the meta since at lvl 60 it gives 1300 attack power but I kinda disagree, if it was the meta then tbc enh would have been using double rockbiter instead of windfury imbued but they didn't. Maybe they reworked rockbiter in tbc, can't really tell but I think it increases wep dmg instead of flat ap for wotlk. Anyways I feel extra attack swings would do more dmg than flat AP, I guess mana would be an issue if we do run wf/wf but should still be fine as long as we have decent gear. We'll see how it looks in phase 2 but I'm willing to bet dw enh might surprise ppl soon.
@@kishernravichandran7789 someone called enhancement running double RB threat terrorists and that’s forever etched in my brain lol. I’m so hyped to switch to Windfury in a few weeks, fuck RB!
Backstab rogue + adrenaline rush + slaughter from the shadows rune (40 energy backstabs) will be an S tier Contender when you get your hands on a Gutripper. Its going to blast with WF/wild strikes!!
ferals didnt care about bleeds for shit this first phase, and most likely wont either next phase considering we get ferocious bite so their damage wont suffer at all
This is what I was saying too. No bleeds no problem. Feral gets #1 Mangle - it’s a Rune so scales 💯 #2 Shred - it’s their backstab, and it gets 30% buffed from Mangle. More talents in feral makes it cheap energy and it’ll be way better. #3 Ferocious Bite Finisher (with Savage roar). The no-bleed aspect doesn’t matter. Rip was the bleed finisher, but we get Ferocious bite to negate it. And the Mangle/Bleed buff is just replaced by Mangle/Backstab…or possibly just straight Mangle spam. It may end up just Mangle-Savage Roar-Mangle spam and that likely will be great dps.
Agreed, as someone who plays a feral, looking at the current phase dps rankings makes me laugh. We literally don't have any buttons. We press 1 CP builder and maintain buff. With the addition of a real finisher... Forgive the pun, but shit's bout to go wild.
Yeah I think Ferals could go in S. Mines damage feels very strong even without using bleeds. It's not uncommon of me to top on my Feral. Rogue is even a little crazier though for sure.
Yeah when he said that I just sorta stopped watching because he doesn't know the classes well enough. Both feral and warriors are gonna slap hard even if he doesn't think so
I really appreciate the humility. So many youtubers spewing BS as facts for clickbait revenue. I'm not so sure frost mage is going to be F tier.. Fingers of frost and icy veins are no joke with 50% crit chance and 100% crit dmg multi. It might not be the meta, but it's really bad right now because of 1 point into shatter makes the runes completely not worth it.
Hello, from warrior main perspective. I was running a lot of lvl 40 simulations and I must say that arms and fury are both very comparable in pve even with eventual bleed imunity in raid. The reason to this is that huge amount of dmg will come from mortal strike, blood thirst and whirlwind. So deep wound is not doing so massive percentage of your dps anymore. Both spec have situational advantages, fury takes over during death wish and arms will be aoe king thanks to sweeping strikes. Slam fury and one-handed sword arms performs really good too. There is notmuch you can go wrong in the next faze.
The ranking does not make sense. He put Arms in C tier because fury will be better in single target. With purely the runes we know about now (the entire premise of this video) Arms will #2 spec in the game in every form of content, and #1 in 2-4 enemy cleave situations, even with bleed immunity.
I agree with most of it, although I believe enhancement will be somewhere in the B tier. Even before new runes, with the advent of Windfury and level 40 talents I expect us to do somewhere between 20 and 30% more damage. I can see it be top 5 dps in raids after warr, rogue, hunter and fire mage/feral Druid.
I think blizzard is going to surprise 2Handed enhance shamans by making them really good in PVE with the new rune they introduce. If given the right tools 2H enhance could be Disgusting in PvP and burst scenarios
Being a hybrid caster main most of my WoW career, I couldn't tell you how excited I was to try out shadow priest and boomkin actually being good in SoD as they were supposed to "shake up the meta". But after seeing their performance this phase and seemingly like it's gonna be the same again in phase 2, I can't help but feeling like I've been duped by blizzard...again. Just feels bad when your favorite classes are memes when the intent purpose was to make everyone "OP". Everyone keeps repeating "wait til you have your full toolkit", but it doesn't mean much if your toolkit just makes you "good" while only a handful of classes feel "OP". I know I'm just whining, just really wish it they could make things fun for all specs, not just 3 of 4 of them. Really hoping the devs can pull a miracle with the runes in P2 :(
I’m sad you feel that way and I 100% agree. Id LOVE to see just like.. boomkin or Spriest absolutely owning on the logs - just to change up from what we have known from classic. I wanna see a big meta shakeup. It’s good that you see past coped out or irrational comments though, cuz some people just don’t. Without BIG changes… in the form of likely a BIG passive or absolutely bonkers main rotation spells for some casters, it’s gonna be melee world again. And I really don’t see casters getting that, but we will see.
@@javamonkeyj ideally, equal terms for dps potential is fair and fun, but whatever they do, dont leave warrior on top. we suffered that all thru classic already. i will not play sod much longer if so. im done with being supportclass.
@sebastianbergstl4423 i never played warrior not in classic or retail and i gave it a shot in sod i was always a caster main but its too simple and mana starve that its just not fun atleast with warrior you have rage management which i know is dog shit easy but its more fun so let me enjoy warrior make fury atleast A tier and im good xD
One up and down on BM Hunter that was slightly missed: 1) While they don't have Trueshot aura, Lion buff will still be a thing and just as (actually moreso) mandatory in a raid setting, so their utility isn't "lacking" as stated on this video, every raid will want a Hunter regardless of spec, even though MM is preferable. 2) You've shown Wind Serpents as an example of pet dmg, but unfortunately they're out for P2, as their next Lightning Breath rank is an untamable lv41 mob, meaning that they'll have the same LB rank as P1 and thus are out of the race - Cats will be the META (unfortunately, boring pets...)
This is all good and all but they are adding in a lot of new runes. I'd theorize that any class doing really bad on the charts now is more likely to get a massive buff in the next phase.
I kinda agree with this list but you should play what you like to play and you will be good with it regardless. Every raid I have been a part of I was top dps as fire warlock phase 1 while other warlock where not even on the page so it really depend on the player. If you have good gear, good maccro, good timing, etc. you can be the best regardless of the masses.
Another thing to touch on is the fact that gnomer will probably have a lot more trash than BFD. That makes longer CD abilities much more valuable because you’ll likely have your CDs for every boss
Mage and elemental sham will be S tier, you forget that most of the raids will be grouped up. Each class will have a balance change with new runes coming out. If it’s single target id say warrior/rouge if it’s mobs sham elemental lightning .
Boomies will do a little better than you think due to their massive + 100% crit damage and the ability to always spam spells forever, also if they get eclipse like I think they will that crit rate is going through the roof with a basically always on 40% crit bonus. ofc they may not get eclipse but i am like 90% sure they will.
@@javamonkeyj If they get eclipse that is a 40% bonus crit chance, in moonkin form that will be around 50% crit rate give or take, that is a simple 1.5 damage bonus, lock do not get a 40% crit rate bonus
I would love to see blizzard just normalize spell ranks. I don't even play a caster as my main and feel like it's just necessary. Having a level cap of 40 and spells that are 4+ levels below that is just an unintended side effect that I have to imagine they never really thought of. When runes scale with your level, that tells me it's probably not impossible to scale everything else. I'd also argue that a lot of ret paladins issue is resource management, aka mana. Maybe not in top performing speed runs, but the way the majority of players play the game, if you are OOM, you aren't doing much beyond playing the old school ret with your auto swings. Will they ever be the best? No. But it's rather clear that melee classes that have unlimited resources tend to shine. Take away a paladins heal or something and just make their mana work almost like energy or rage (assuming the concern is that they don't want them bombing holy lights iin an unlimited fashion). As far as feral, I think we might see better performance than they are given credit. Or maybe not. IDK. As one of my alts, it's been neat being viable even if the rotation is absolutely lame. Wild strikes pretty much ensures party placement though, at least on alliance side, unless they give that ability to another class. Warrior maybe? :D
@@javamonkeyj Our most dps rune (void plague) is a disease and doesnt work in Gnomer. SW death will continue snaps of 50% of your total health. Shadow has horrible mana sustain. And your filler spell has horrendous dmg scaling (mindflay). The joke is, even if we would at lvl 25 would have Access to +45% Shadow DMG (darkness, weaving, Shadowform) at lvl 25, we would still be doing less DMG than any physical class right now
I play boomy now can easily 2v1, carry bgs and bring great utility to raid next tier we bring more utility (brez, motw, thorns, 3% crit, free wild growth to reduce pressure on healer filler is spammable and can OT all in same spec) bad boomies are the problem , 1 good boomy can easily save raids :D
This notion that warrior dmg is hugely skewed by bleeds is crazy. Yes, bleeds add up a lot of dam, but thats mainly for dw spec, 2h is crazy regardless of bleeds. See lord aquanjs logs. Ggwp
@javamonkeyj u are a joke. Never said anything about arms being better than fury in p2, use ur eyes and ur brain when u read comments. Also all the sims point that arms IS better than fury in p2. So bro just delete urself from this platform.
If survival gets polearm spec rune i can see a world where the insane crit chance of melee hunter pops the fuck off. Doubly so if we get nongoose fury.
Frost mage will be better than fire, the only reason frost is as bad as it is because frost bolt is a lvl 20 spell, it'll be lvl 38 next phase and they'll have shatter talents that go well with fingers of frost. You can't go full fire talent because you need the hit talent from the frost tree, so they'll miss out on combustion.
Warriors get like 50-70% bonus dmg for no good reason... Even tho hunter get like 35% more stays then most classses... If u go survival hunter with lion u get 35% bonus agility for free which is insane dodge and parry chance against melee classes
@@GamingDualities yea, mite go tank. but alas, i think warriors will get all the tankgear... maybe we will b fun in duels tho, thats something atleast.
There's only 2 good Retpala weapons and both are low chance drops. One is The Pacifier and other is Pendulum of Doom. There's also Ravager for AOE damage. But not so much 3.5+ speed weapons.
Bro you have Feral WAY WRONG. WAY WAY wrong. 1.)First off - feral tanks threat ability is a bleed, so the tanks will struggle more than the cats. 2.) Ferals do not rely on bleeds now. Mangle, while buffing bleeds…it also buffs Shred - the backstab ability. 3.) Ferals will get Ferocious bite finisher. So Rip/Rake won’t be needed. It will be Mangles, Shreds, Savage Roars, and Ferocious bites.
Their placement is right regardless their mechanism for doing damage. They arent S tier, but their buff is. Their damage is decent. Better than caster but not better than top melee specs. Thanks for clarification on their rotation tho.
@@javamonkeyj right NOW that’s true. Next phase they get auto Crowd Pummler for a 50% attack speed, they get their Wolfwhatever helm for power shifting, and their main attack is a rune for scaling. I stand by my statement that I think you’re underestimating their projection I think the lack of bleed can be worked around as they have other options to damage like a backstab rogue
Pretty sure that ret paladins will get an type of windfury. Call it Aura of command or something. Think about it, shamans gets wf at this phase, and palladins are there twins..
I already told you, they don’t get the BIS aura. You can try to play BM, it will do more damage, but GL doing that with your raid leader telling you to switch so that melee can get trushot aura.
ENHANCEMENT SHAMAN C TIER CHANGE MY MIND.
You'd be surprised actually. During the tbc prepatch I've seen an enhance shaman in blues/greens pull the same dps numbers as a full bis t3 warrior in a naxx raid. The only thing he needed was rank 14 weapons and world buffs. The ability to dual-wield with double wf weapon is all he needed to pump as a fresh toon. Mind you that during the tbc prepatch they introduced the 3s icd to windfury proc, but we are in the vanilla patch so the icd is around 0.4s-1.5s, shaman disc doesn't seem to know the exact timer to the icd but in their point of view it's almost nonexistent. In simple words a shorter icd means more wf procs. So on paper enhance should be one of the top 3 dps classes on single target. It's to the point where I'm not surprised if enh's receives the first nerf hammer in phase 2 when they start globaling people in PvP
But now everyone has duel wield wind fury because of druids. This just tells me that WF is busted… and Druid already has wind fury but they aren’t number 1 damage just by existing.
@@javamonkeyj shamans got their own wf imbued which is far better than the normal wf/wild strikes cause it provides 2 auto attacks instead of 1 and they can apply wf imbued on the offhand too while wildstrikes can only be applied to MH. Shaman only unlocks this imbued at lvl 30 hence the meta right now is running double rockbiter imbues.
@JonEricLomas there's some theory crafting in the shaman disc saying double rockbiter will stay the meta since at lvl 60 it gives 1300 attack power but I kinda disagree, if it was the meta then tbc enh would have been using double rockbiter instead of windfury imbued but they didn't. Maybe they reworked rockbiter in tbc, can't really tell but I think it increases wep dmg instead of flat ap for wotlk. Anyways I feel extra attack swings would do more dmg than flat AP, I guess mana would be an issue if we do run wf/wf but should still be fine as long as we have decent gear. We'll see how it looks in phase 2 but I'm willing to bet dw enh might surprise ppl soon.
@@kishernravichandran7789 someone called enhancement running double RB threat terrorists and that’s forever etched in my brain lol. I’m so hyped to switch to Windfury in a few weeks, fuck RB!
Backstab rogue + adrenaline rush + slaughter from the shadows rune (40 energy backstabs) will be an S tier Contender when you get your hands on a
Gutripper. Its going to blast with WF/wild strikes!!
ferals didnt care about bleeds for shit this first phase, and most likely wont either next phase considering we get ferocious bite so their damage wont suffer at all
This is what I was saying too.
No bleeds no problem.
Feral gets
#1 Mangle - it’s a Rune so scales 💯
#2 Shred - it’s their backstab, and it gets 30% buffed from Mangle. More talents in feral makes it cheap energy and it’ll be way better.
#3 Ferocious Bite Finisher (with Savage roar).
The no-bleed aspect doesn’t matter. Rip was the bleed finisher, but we get Ferocious bite to negate it. And the Mangle/Bleed buff is just replaced by Mangle/Backstab…or possibly just straight Mangle spam.
It may end up just Mangle-Savage Roar-Mangle spam and that likely will be great dps.
Agreed, as someone who plays a feral, looking at the current phase dps rankings makes me laugh. We literally don't have any buttons. We press 1 CP builder and maintain buff. With the addition of a real finisher... Forgive the pun, but shit's bout to go wild.
Ferals don't use bleeds in p1, it's just mangle spam with shreds on omen proc
Yeah I think Ferals could go in S.
Mines damage feels very strong even without using bleeds. It's not uncommon of me to top on my Feral. Rogue is even a little crazier though for sure.
He probably did not play feral he thinks they use bleed lol
Ferocious bite rank 2 is a level 40 spell 😼
Yeah when he said that I just sorta stopped watching because he doesn't know the classes well enough. Both feral and warriors are gonna slap hard even if he doesn't think so
bro that knock had me check my front door >
HAHAHAHAHA
I was like who the fuck just knock my door?
Scared the shit out of me cuz it came from my wall. LOL
Ugh… if they give Wars Titan’s grip I’ll be dropping my war faster than a prom-night dumpster baby 🤦🏼♂️
I really appreciate the humility. So many youtubers spewing BS as facts for clickbait revenue.
I'm not so sure frost mage is going to be F tier.. Fingers of frost and icy veins are no joke with 50% crit chance and 100% crit dmg multi. It might not be the meta, but it's really bad right now because of 1 point into shatter makes the runes completely not worth it.
Hello, from warrior main perspective. I was running a lot of lvl 40 simulations and I must say that arms and fury are both very comparable in pve even with eventual bleed imunity in raid.
The reason to this is that huge amount of dmg will come from mortal strike, blood thirst and whirlwind. So deep wound is not doing so massive percentage of your dps anymore.
Both spec have situational advantages, fury takes over during death wish and arms will be aoe king thanks to sweeping strikes.
Slam fury and one-handed sword arms performs really good too.
There is notmuch you can go wrong in the next faze.
The ranking does not make sense. He put Arms in C tier because fury will be better in single target. With purely the runes we know about now (the entire premise of this video) Arms will #2 spec in the game in every form of content, and #1 in 2-4 enemy cleave situations, even with bleed immunity.
bm hunter, fury warrior, and combat rogue will probably be at the top of the charts...but it's exciting to see what new runes are created ...
I agree with most of it, although I believe enhancement will be somewhere in the B tier. Even before new runes, with the advent of Windfury and level 40 talents I expect us to do somewhere between 20 and 30% more damage. I can see it be top 5 dps in raids after warr, rogue, hunter and fire mage/feral Druid.
For sure I can see them competing for the weakest melee class alongside Ret paladins.
I think blizzard is going to surprise 2Handed enhance shamans by making them really good in PVE with the new rune they introduce. If given the right tools 2H enhance could be Disgusting in PvP and burst scenarios
Being a hybrid caster main most of my WoW career, I couldn't tell you how excited I was to try out shadow priest and boomkin actually being good in SoD as they were supposed to "shake up the meta". But after seeing their performance this phase and seemingly like it's gonna be the same again in phase 2, I can't help but feeling like I've been duped by blizzard...again. Just feels bad when your favorite classes are memes when the intent purpose was to make everyone "OP". Everyone keeps repeating "wait til you have your full toolkit", but it doesn't mean much if your toolkit just makes you "good" while only a handful of classes feel "OP". I know I'm just whining, just really wish it they could make things fun for all specs, not just 3 of 4 of them. Really hoping the devs can pull a miracle with the runes in P2 :(
I’m sad you feel that way and I 100% agree. Id LOVE to see just like.. boomkin or Spriest absolutely owning on the logs - just to change up from what we have known from classic. I wanna see a big meta shakeup.
It’s good that you see past coped out or irrational comments though, cuz some people just don’t. Without BIG changes… in the form of likely a BIG passive or absolutely bonkers main rotation spells for some casters, it’s gonna be melee world again. And I really don’t see casters getting that, but we will see.
@@javamonkeyj ideally, equal terms for dps potential is fair and fun, but whatever they do, dont leave warrior on top. we suffered that all thru classic already. i will not play sod much longer if so. im done with being supportclass.
boomy is super fun in pvp right now
Warrior will always be the best dps in Classic unless Blizzard make a whole new game
@sebastianbergstl4423 i never played warrior not in classic or retail and i gave it a shot in sod i was always a caster main but its too simple and mana starve that its just not fun atleast with warrior you have rage management which i know is dog shit easy but its more fun so let me enjoy warrior make fury atleast A tier and im good xD
No one needs Druid’s after level 32. Video maker is a new wow player
One up and down on BM Hunter that was slightly missed: 1) While they don't have Trueshot aura, Lion buff will still be a thing and just as (actually moreso) mandatory in a raid setting, so their utility isn't "lacking" as stated on this video, every raid will want a Hunter regardless of spec, even though MM is preferable. 2) You've shown Wind Serpents as an example of pet dmg, but unfortunately they're out for P2, as their next Lightning Breath rank is an untamable lv41 mob, meaning that they'll have the same LB rank as P1 and thus are out of the race - Cats will be the META (unfortunately, boring pets...)
This is all good and all but they are adding in a lot of new runes. I'd theorize that any class doing really bad on the charts now is more likely to get a massive buff in the next phase.
If blizzard cared about balance yes, but I fucking doubt they will make that happen
I kinda agree with this list but you should play what you like to play and you will be good with it regardless. Every raid I have been a part of I was top dps as fire warlock phase 1 while other warlock where not even on the page so it really depend on the player. If you have good gear, good maccro, good timing, etc. you can be the best regardless of the masses.
ACTUALLY SO TRUE. Play to have fun who cares wahts meta. Its a 20 year old meme game.
feral can bring wild strikes, and leader of the pack if they go deep feral! Huge support for melee
Another thing to touch on is the fact that gnomer will probably have a lot more trash than BFD. That makes longer CD abilities much more valuable because you’ll likely have your CDs for every boss
Mage and elemental sham will be S tier, you forget that most of the raids will be grouped up. Each class will have a balance change with new runes coming out. If it’s single target id say warrior/rouge if it’s mobs sham elemental lightning .
Boomies will do a little better than you think due to their massive + 100% crit damage and the ability to always spam spells forever, also if they get eclipse like I think they will that crit rate is going through the roof with a basically always on 40% crit bonus. ofc they may not get eclipse but i am like 90% sure they will.
Nope they won’t. Destro gets the exact same ability like i said. They will gap boomkins.
@@javamonkeyj I did say with eclipse with a 40% bonus crit rate and I am pretty sure that is coming
@@javamonkeyj If they get eclipse that is a 40% bonus crit chance, in moonkin form that will be around 50% crit rate give or take, that is a simple 1.5 damage bonus, lock do not get a 40% crit rate bonus
I’m glad someone else believes in the Arcane Dream
I’m the ultimate arcane believer. The lulw 1 shot is too stronk.
So Ele S-tier or C-tier? I'm confused
s in pvp, c in pve
Mate...trueshot aura is ranged attack power only. You def will not be going marks.
Lolol
I would love to see blizzard just normalize spell ranks. I don't even play a caster as my main and feel like it's just necessary. Having a level cap of 40 and spells that are 4+ levels below that is just an unintended side effect that I have to imagine they never really thought of. When runes scale with your level, that tells me it's probably not impossible to scale everything else.
I'd also argue that a lot of ret paladins issue is resource management, aka mana. Maybe not in top performing speed runs, but the way the majority of players play the game, if you are OOM, you aren't doing much beyond playing the old school ret with your auto swings. Will they ever be the best? No. But it's rather clear that melee classes that have unlimited resources tend to shine. Take away a paladins heal or something and just make their mana work almost like energy or rage (assuming the concern is that they don't want them bombing holy lights iin an unlimited fashion).
As far as feral, I think we might see better performance than they are given credit. Or maybe not. IDK. As one of my alts, it's been neat being viable even if the rotation is absolutely lame. Wild strikes pretty much ensures party placement though, at least on alliance side, unless they give that ability to another class. Warrior maybe? :D
Priest is the only class that did not get pve damage runes(actually one dot). I hope devs noticed it and will make shadow priests viable.
Lvl 34 Shadow Ward Pain 💀
I wish Affi & Shadow were more viable.
They get Shadow-word death as well so… ya know.
Penance is technically both. xD
@@javamonkeyj Our most dps rune (void plague) is a disease and doesnt work in Gnomer. SW death will continue snaps of 50% of your total health.
Shadow has horrible mana sustain. And your filler spell has horrendous dmg scaling (mindflay).
The joke is, even if we would at lvl 25 would have Access to +45% Shadow DMG (darkness, weaving, Shadowform) at lvl 25, we would still be doing less DMG than any physical class right now
I play boomy now can easily 2v1, carry bgs and bring great utility to raid next tier we bring more utility (brez, motw, thorns, 3% crit, free wild growth to reduce pressure on healer filler is spammable and can OT all in same spec) bad boomies are the problem , 1 good boomy can easily save raids :D
no one will play MM just for trueshot in p2, when BM does so much dmg, especially if we dont get a slower ranged weapon for aimed shot.
This notion that warrior dmg is hugely skewed by bleeds is crazy. Yes, bleeds add up a lot of dam, but thats mainly for dw spec, 2h is crazy regardless of bleeds. See lord aquanjs logs. Ggwp
The notion that you’ll play arms over fury regardless of bleed debuffs next phase is hugely dented.
@javamonkeyj u are a joke. Never said anything about arms being better than fury in p2, use ur eyes and ur brain when u read comments. Also all the sims point that arms IS better than fury in p2. So bro just delete urself from this platform.
Gnomer will be 10 man also, it is confirmed
Spoilers its not going to be shaken up at the top bracket classic is just a warriors wet dream in all iterations
yep, used to be they came online in t2, but waiting that long is not what the devs wanted, cause thats their own class.
True. And Mages will be even better dungeon soloers than before which I'm ok with!
Unless they just give everyone else absolutely broken runes you are right
BIG TRUE
So torn on Warrior or hunter main
BOTH ARE A TON OF FUN
I play both myself. around 97-99 parses on both. But i don't enjoy hunter that much man. Meele weaving feels like such a chore :P
Ele shaman.... Totem of wrath!? Cement their place in S tier
TRUE HOLY FUCK
no hunter will run anything but 31 beastmastery until basically full epic unless runes change anything. regardless of thats BMelee or BM ranged
If survival gets polearm spec rune i can see a world where the insane crit chance of melee hunter pops the fuck off. Doubly so if we get nongoose fury.
@@aubenmitchell244 bestial wrath/rapid fire is just something thats hard to outdps on short fights
Nah Feral is S, most of our damage will be from mangle and bite, the bleeds don't matter.
Feral wont need Rip or Shred in Phase 2 with Ferocious Bite
Enhance shammy?
C tier.
Frost mage will be better than fire, the only reason frost is as bad as it is because frost bolt is a lvl 20 spell, it'll be lvl 38 next phase and they'll have shatter talents that go well with fingers of frost. You can't go full fire talent because you need the hit talent from the frost tree, so they'll miss out on combustion.
warrior will b 30% ahead of hunters, way off on their own game, where the rest of us play support to them again. so much fun.
Warriors get like 50-70% bonus dmg for no good reason... Even tho hunter get like 35% more stays then most classses... If u go survival hunter with lion u get 35% bonus agility for free which is insane dodge and parry chance against melee classes
TRUE WE LIVE FOR THE WARRIORS TO DO DAMAGE. o7
You guys talking about World of Warriorcraft?
@@GamingDualities yea, mite go tank. but alas, i think warriors will get all the tankgear... maybe we will b fun in duels tho, thats something atleast.
Gnomer has been confirmed as a 10 man raid. Rip casters.
GREAT
That's good keep them all 10man. I hate anything more. Cause anything more people just sit around doing nothing and grt carried
@@XboxSucks-g3k Then find a guild bot
@@nizze5461 a guild why so people can not show up lmfao.ill pass kiddo. Go play shit retail if u want more than 10mans
*watches whole video waiting for Enhancement shaman* 😡😡
IM SORRY D:
Warrior always number 1 every phase as usual
I’m confused why’d you say ele was S tier and then put them in C tier?
Were S tier easy..
How did you miss Leader of the Pack for feral druid? 🙀
If you take that you cant take omen any more.
Even worse, cant powershift without furor
Automatic crowd pummeler will be interesting for druids, padins and shamans tho.
Ya its gonna be sick!
It won’t be good for Pallies unless you can get the buff and then switch weapons. There damage relies on a SLOW weapon
There's only 2 good Retpala weapons and both are low chance drops. One is The Pacifier and other is Pendulum of Doom. There's also Ravager for AOE damage. But not so much 3.5+ speed weapons.
TL:dr, warrior
True warrior game
YOU FORGOT ABOUT ENH SHAMAN AND CONFIRMED 2H RUNE + WIND FURY
WAHHHHHH I DID DAMNIT
You forgot enhance
i forgot enhance
Gnomer has already been confirmed to be a 10 man
Pog ty
You forgot about boomkins?
Wheres enchance shaman? 😅
Bro you have Feral WAY WRONG.
WAY WAY wrong.
1.)First off - feral tanks threat ability is a bleed, so the tanks will struggle more than the cats.
2.) Ferals do not rely on bleeds now. Mangle, while buffing bleeds…it also buffs Shred - the backstab ability.
3.) Ferals will get Ferocious bite finisher. So Rip/Rake won’t be needed.
It will be Mangles, Shreds, Savage Roars, and Ferocious bites.
Their placement is right regardless their mechanism for doing damage. They arent S tier, but their buff is. Their damage is decent. Better than caster but not better than top melee specs. Thanks for clarification on their rotation tho.
@@javamonkeyj right NOW that’s true.
Next phase they get auto Crowd Pummler for a 50% attack speed, they get their Wolfwhatever helm for power shifting, and their main attack is a rune for scaling. I stand by my statement that I think you’re underestimating their projection
I think the lack of bleed can be worked around as they have other options to damage like a backstab rogue
Of course having said all that, it always ends up being warriors so idk why it’d be any different. Prolly Fury on top 🤷♂️
@@Scallers813 Wolfwhatever helm cant be crafted this phase, it needs more than 225 to get the patterns.
@@DavidGinoit was also just announced that professions will be capped at 200 instead of 225 i figure that will change some things.
This guy never heard of hemo sub spec? Gonna pump and buff melee cleave groups like a mofo.. 😂
where is enhancement
C TIER!
I'll say one thing only... Convoke The Spirits Rune. 🏋♂️
Lawd I hope not
i literally said the same thing
i kno this sounds sus, but i do have a funny feeling about boomy next phase.. im thinking its going to A or high B tier
I hope boomy is S. I want weird specs to be BIS. That’s my SOD.
Pve
where is enhance shaman?
C tier
Where is enhance?
C tier
Pretty sure that ret paladins will get an type of windfury. Call it Aura of command or something.
Think about it, shamans gets wf at this phase, and palladins are there twins..
You forgot enhancement
Conflag is not a great PVE talent and wont me taken by locks.
how do you see BM worse than MM? BM Will be s+
I already told you, they don’t get the BIS aura. You can try to play BM, it will do more damage, but GL doing that with your raid leader telling you to switch so that melee can get trushot aura.
AFLAK
So ele is c not S got me excited for nothing
Keep an eye on them.
So hard to speculate without knowing the runes in P2
Shitbait but warlocks and warrior will be top
wym shit bait?
Probably one of the worst theory crafting videos of watched
Make something better pussy.