Why do you guys hate Elon so much? In the engineering world who is doing more to push us forward? You can hate his politics but hammering him for an imperfect gen 1 product that’s trying to replace the most popular vehicle in the U.S. just feels sad
He's a blood emerald trust fund baby who didn't even get a degree. Everything you think he's done was in fact invented by someone else, and then he came in and took credit. Come on bro
Congratulations on the pin, perhaps take this time to reflect maybe perhaps his blind accelerationism is only in service to his massive ego. And of course goes nowhere, is useless, and is harmful to actual technologies that could benefit us now instead of it 50 to 60 years.
I'm a corrosion engineer (yes we exist) with close on 40 years experience and all of us saw this Cybertruck stainless steel corrosion issue coming since it was first announced. Road salt will be it's death and for me it will be the comedy gift that will keep on giving.
@@katarjin There are actually degree courses...and you are about the billionth person to ask me that. Massively enjoyable work. Mostly I go to site and the first words out of my mouth are "What the f#*k" and "Who the f#*k".
If straight stainless steel was as weather resistant as Elon seems to think it is, there would be no money in galvanizing. Instead Hot dipped galvanizing is worth several billion dollars per year
The truck looks like shit. But I actually think you are right here. Maybe I have spent to long working in stainless fabrication, but I like the patina it gets. In the case of the cybertruck, the discolouration will be in outline of every bird shit, fingerprint, and wet leaf that has landed on it. But still, I think it will look better.
My sister is NOT a soil scientist - she is a pig nutritionist - but she was forced to work as a soil scientist for a couple of years. Standing in the middle of barren fields in the ice and snow in February... She liked the science of it, but hated the job.
Also I'm happy to bestow unto wtyp the coveted "thing I was listening when I finally finished my damn sewing project" award. I am now the proud owner of a very nice and warm dressing gown which is only slightly an engineering disaster
Ah, but it's a vacuum tube so it'd be very hard to make it into a tunnel fire. I believe in Musk, though. If any man can cause a fire inside of a vacuum, it'd be Captain Batteries.
A billionaire's only interest is the endless plunder of public funds. Get into subsidized industries, purchase public infrastructure, take all the profit and socialize anything that goes wrong. Aggressively lobby for additional subsidies.
"The first time I got mad about this was when I saw the white paprr." THANK YOU!!! I am just a lowly aerospace graduate but almost a decade ago when I first read about the hyperloop I thought it was just a dumb as shit and I had so many people argue with me that it was going to be real. 😤😤😤
Don't know if it was mentioned and I missed it, but my biggest point of mockery has always been - WHY vacuum tho? ... *because it sounds cooler*. No other reason. Viable existing trains don't bother with it, gee why not? Is it because the energy savings are completely dwarfed by the increased cost of construction? There could be a sweet spot where reduced air pressure vs cost of depressurizing the tunnel for every stop makes it cost less to run. But how many centuries does it need to operate before it recoups the cost of fancy hydraulics and tunnel plus all that added maintenance. The atmospheric railway is a better engineered hyperloop even though it's 160 years old. Because at least that existed in the space of reality.
yes and I just wish he would leave them up a few seconds longer so I don't have to pause and rewind to catch them! I watch WTYP on a second monitor while working on other things and Devon always catches me off guard!
Im a space engineer. We test things in vacuum chambers all the time. The chambers are temperamental machines and the big ones require dedicated support staff. By big, I mean something you could put a desk inside. How did the idea of hundreds or thousands of miles of vacuum tube ever leave the napkin? Goddard's excuse is that he wouldn't have had experience with vacuum chambers.
Not to mention the most capable vacuum chamber in the world is the 2- 1km long tubes of LIGO and it takes them nearly a month to pump everything out. Thus ruling out a mass transportation system built around vacuum tubes.
How about a slight overpressure of hydrogen? You'd get like 1/16th the drag of air, and wouldn't have to worry about maintaining a vacuum. If it leaks, that's an outside problem, not an inside problem.
@@wattthefaqameye1146no they are responding to what the crew said at the beginning where they talked about how they couldnt say “i told you so” because they didnt so an episode on the loop before it flopped.
I keep imagining the Shinkansen train floating in shallow water, occasionally opening up its bill to eat some pond scum, and shaking its rear car back and forth
“The snoot droops” *cue Shinkansen with a drooped snoot flipping end-over-end at hypersonic speeds because the snoot hit the ground and it torqued the whole cab over*
I was briefly involved in an effort to design a pod to the spec of Musk's original whitepaper, with my area of responsibility being the interior design of the pod. It quickly became apparent that Elon was pulling figures out of his rear end when I laid out the cross-sectional area of the "passenger" pod per his specs and determined that the passengers in the pod would have to be seated in tandem, in a posture roughly equivalent to a formula race car, in order to fit inside -- even before you counted any cross-sectional area that needed to be devoted to ducting and various mech+elec systems. The top of the car would have to hinge open to allow people to climb in and out, creating a huge vacuum seal with terrible geometry around its perimeter, and be horribly claustrophobic in transit. If I recall, Elon of course assumed two-abreast seating with a central aisle... somehow.
That seating description reminds me of the video for what I believe was a tradeshow demo of double decker airplane seating. Just fire me out of a cannon or put me in with the cargo. I am not taking a flight with another passenger's asshole in my face.
I remember hearing about UCLA's school of Architecture / Environmental Design having a special curriculum called 'Hyperloop Studio' focused on design of stations and pod interiors. Architect Craig Hodgetts who was leading the courses was totally hellbent that the Hyperloop was absolutely going to happen and no serious technical obstacles stood in its way. Just another example that architects don't always know what they are talking about!
I mean the only way you're going to get a 30 second turnaround time is to not have seats, load from above and just fling passengers into a heap in the compartment, slam the lid and fire it off, so yeah.
Regarding the cybertruck rusting, stainless steel can and will rust prodigiously when contaminated with normal steel, say if somebody grinds steel nearby. Or if it gets scratched deep enough. Or if you use pure water. Or if it gets salt water on it. Or if you put too much acid on it. Or… I’m almost willing to bet that they neglected to passivate the panels, which is an acid bath to remove the surface iron from the alloy and leave only chrome as the outer, more corrosion resistant surface.
Would be interested to see what the finish looks like on this alloy after passivation. I bet they didn't because they (he? Alon seems to be a bit maniacal with his control over random shit) were trying to avoid making it look any different from the concept made on a press brake.
@@weatheranddarknesshonestly, you can tell me that they came up with the alloy themselves, and I still expect it to be just 304, but exceptionally low quality because Elon doesn’t believe in nickel.
I looked up the definition of high-speed train (and the proliferation of them), and found this adorable sentence about Sweden's high speed train: "..launched in 1990 as a first-class only train with a meal included in the ticket price, and free use of the train's fax machine."
hearing alice talk about being clicker trained and having a normal and well adjusted reaction edit: the second i heard "pet journalist" i knew what was coming
"youre gonna drive this onto like the grass parking lot at the Maryland renaissance faire, and by the time youre back, your car WILL BE in pieces, like the blues brothers car" 1) yayyyy MD ren faire reference! 2) this is reminding me of my fond memory of leaving the Maryland ren faire at the end of the day, and they fired the cannon they do at the end, which was apparently percussive enough to set off the alarm on a tesla parked near the entrance. good times, very funny
Yes they said they're under a time pressure, and its a 3hr episode. But at the 90 minute mark they just, in unison, say "ENJOY THE SILENCE" and it just goes dead.
Wait. Wasn't one of the Cybertruck's supposed selling points that it was a car for survivalists? That's why they shot a bunch of arrows at it and chucked a ball through its windows. It's hardly a survivalist vehicle if it immediately corrodes in the rain.
"Car for survivalists" makes no sense anyway. There's too much infrastructure required to keep them running. A mountain bike with a trailer is a real survivalist vehicle.
This brings up a core problem with survivalists in general. You could never rig an improvised power generator capable of charging a cybertruck, and even if you could, you could never keep the truck running because it's all computer based and one small sensor fault can turn it into a big, ugly paperweight. Even with something more "practical" in an apocalyptic survival setting like a pre-emissions equipment diesel truck, you still have to fill half your bed with tools to keep it running in the long term, and good luck keeping it fueled once the diesel starts spoiling after a few years. For most, survivalism is more about unhealthy anxiety coping methods than actual practical ways of surviving long term. A bunker full of cans and a guns aren't going to get you very far if you don't have practical knowledge that can help you long term. Knowing how to grow food, forage, and build shelter will help you a hell of a lot more than having a big-ass truck that becomes a burden you'll have to leave behind.
> company in Germany gets mentioned > (as a Bavarian) "Oh boy, surely they based their scam in Bavaria" > cue picture with Markus Söder > "God fucking damn it."
14:10 re: the Virgin Atlantic flight of which Alice speaks: The plane was missing four screws (not bolts) that held on a non-structural panel to the top of the wing. such missing screws by themselves pose no threat to the plane's or passengers' safety. The screws were likely removed for scheduled maintenance by Virgin and either not put back before the plane left or not tightened enough. The missing screws, if not pointed out by the passenger, would likely be noticed at the next phase inspection, as the top surface of the wing isn't visible from the ground. Of course, it looks really bad for the company and speaks to a greater problem as to management and maintenance practices, so Virgin deserved to have this flight grounded, but there was no real danger to the flight.
I was in a focus group years ago that turned out to be for the hyperloop. After the guy explained the vaguest idea of the concept, we were all like "ok sure we like trains, seems fine". He had to correct us to "pod" every time we said train. I started saying train more on purpose bc it was funny.
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The Virgin Atlantic plane with bolts missing was an Airbus A330, which amusingly was called a Boeing Airbus A330 in many news stories. The Delta 757 in Atlanta was a 30 year old air frame, so I wouldn't necessarily blame that one on Boeing, I think it was just an unfortunately timed problem caused by improper maintenance. All this to say, I'm still not getting on a 737 Max again any time soon.
Megabus checklist: - intense smell of piss for several hours - volcanic temperatures - bottle rolling around in aisle - someone playing terrible music on their phone loud speaker - toilet is eldritch abomination
Sample size of one here, but the time i rode the megabus it was the middle of summer and it was glacially cold inside, which was lovely for me who had only packed shorts and t-shirts.
one time in a waiting room, someone was blaring those cement scraping ASMR tiktoks on their phone speaker. made me wish they were playing top 40 rap pop instead
Fun fact: there's the Virgin Hyperloop pod in the museum of Transportation just outside St. Louis and it's clear all the materials describing it were written by someone with a financial stake in making it not seem like a bad, failed idea.
The "Grabby Pole" is a sasumata, which is the direct descendant of one of a trio of police polearms dating back at least to the edo period. The other two were the tsukubo, which is a spiky pushbroom, and the sodegarami, a pole ending in a multidirectional series of hooks for tangling in sleeves
I mean you guys had a video on The Loop (and talked about hyperloop) you yelled at it during the Vacuum Railway and SuperSonicTransport episodes, It's been featured on numberous news segments, and its been quite theoughouly debunked on Trashfuture and absolutely obliterated times over on RailNatter. I think you guys told us so
Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro 0:05:55 The GD News: Tesla Cybertruck Outclassed By A Subaru Outback 0:11:55 The GD News: 737 Max Outclassed By A Subaru Outback 0:17:23 Where Hyperloop Is Now 0:19:20 Background: Using Air to Move Trains 0:27:36 Background: Winners of High Speed Transport 0:35:03 Background: Losers of High Speed Transport 0:43:30 Background: Musk. 0:48:08 Hyperloop, Original Idea 1:00:36 Obvious Practical Considerations 1:12:03 Hyperloop vs The Bus 1:15:59 Lavatorial Digression 1:20:07 Hyperloop vs Serious HSR 1:33:12 Fate of Hyperloop Startups 2:21:17 More Credible Transport Technology 2:28:42 How Hyperloop Has Changed The World 2:35:20 Plausible Far Future Transport 2:42:09 Safety Third: Dirt Is Not A Dressing
I got to ride the Shinkansen last year and knowing that I’ll probably never be able to afford to travel to Japan and ride it again makes me want to cry. Why would anyone want any other type of transportation?
Man, a smooth silent 3 hour ride with ample leg room. Then coming home to Aus and having to take 3 bus changes and 12 hours to do the same distance ... at twice the cost lmao
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I would agree, but I literally want to be a Pilot, so clearly it’s not bad enough to overcome my desire to fly lol. But honestly that’s a fair point.
"... door being spring-loading ejected from a plane..." Important fact, the door itself will open itself in flight if you forget to secure the pins in it... UNLIKE THE GODDAMNED ACTUAL DOORS ON THE PLANE.
Albuquerque being mentioned in a positive way in regards to transportation is always nice. We have issues but making people pay a pittance isn’t one of them
Alice I have a deeper voice too and hearing your natural voice has made me feel more confident with my own t damaged vocal chords. Its hard being mismatched and i really enjoy hearing your takes on things, you ooze confidence I wish I had
Snort. 3min in “we actually ah e time pressure this time”, me surprised and looks at phone for length of episode thinking “wait wasn’t this one of the longer ones” Still love you dorks
Ok i actually started a whole worldbuilding project from the quote alice made on the last hyperloop video "If you want travel , you have two ways : 1) trains 2) bikes" Or basically that is the jist of it
@@Spanderson99 ok , over time i came to the conclusion that sailing ships are basically nature's trains : they use a low friction surface (water) and take energy from an external power supply (the wind) ... you just need to consider the ocean and winds an infrastructure ...
I can imagine them hanging about, watching and hearing Elon carry on, and one of them whispering to the others, "Oi... you blokes want to knock off his fucking sub?"
dollar per dollar an aqueduct where you rent an inflatable tube for the actual manufacture cost of the tube and the water is kept moving by wind is more viable than the hyperloop AND will handle more passengers
Ah so Branson is a Jeremy who owns a private island, yep obviously a James Bond villain. Just remember it’s called a virgin train because it never goes all the way.
Short of literal teleportation, a train is the absolute most efficient way to move things over ground. Every attempt to make something new will eventually turn into trains.
19:00 Alice said something that included the phrase "shake hands" on TrashFuture and had a similar reaction, just expecting the "shake hands with danger" stinger.
Guys and gal, there's 13 million Quechua speakers in what is the former Tahuantinsuyo(translates to four regions), the realm governed by the Inca, whose the head of state btw. Quechua being the official language of the empire, although quite a lot of other languages used to be spoken, some I know are still active like Aimara. There seems to be another 5 million Aimara speakers, concentrated around Bolivia
@@alaeriia01 I don't know. The Portal gun works only on specific kinds of surfaces and the portals can really only acommidate one person. Since you need line of sight to place a portal, there is really only a very limited amount of scenarios were a portal gun is an effective and efficient solution. (Really only moonfearring)
@@civishamburgum1234 Well, shoot on portal, put portal gun on a truck / train / boat, shoot second portal, and just leave them open permanently. The moonshot shows that portals can cover any distance you'd find on earth easily, so you have a small throughput but *instantaneous* means of transportation between any two points on earth. Though it's not clear how much energy it takes to maintain the portals, if any. The portal gun itself is nuclear powered, I think? If it runs out of juice will the portals disappear? I'd guess so. So basically you've got a system which can deliver single people or small amounts of cargo with zero delay and at likely huge energy cost. And no real land footprint, which is a point above hyperloop!
the hyperloop is dead, long live the hyperloop. next up: man who cant make truck with non-fistable panel gaps wants to put things in your fucking skull.
43:18 i refuse to let a mountain goats reference go unacknowledged. Hell yes. (The song in question is Pigs that ran straightaway into the water, triumph of)
Cybertrucks are EXCELLENT vehicles for middle-management types, because you can throw your briefcase onto the back seat without having to open any doors thanks to the panel gaps you could fly an airplane through.
Boeing has fundamentally lost the ability to manufacture planes properly because they sold off a bunch of their manufacturing facilities and hired them back as subcontractors: bringing up the cost and reducing cohesion in the design process. Airbus had similar issues at one point but has brought a bunch of production facilities back in-house and also have granted decent working conditions which attracts and retains top talent.
Well a tremendous amount of resources and time was wasted on it. I guess that's a kind of disaster. But, better it's dead than still wasting more resources!
The disaster is that they derailed a bunch of actually useful train / transit projects like High-speed rail in California. All so Elon could sell a few more Teslas. Which he could have done much more easily by improving design/QA on his cars and not running his employees ragged.
I like how the Pittsburgh hyperloop render implies that the loop would just blow past Pittsburgh without actually stopping. And also require partial demolition of the bridge that it's shown running next to.
Holy fuck, the chicken bus!! Must’ve taken Fung wah from nyc to boston 500 times. You took your life into your own hands but it was $10-20 for like 15 years. RIP
The Wheel of Mediocrity is in Kansas City. Yup, even our little midwestern burg just had to jump on that hype wagon. It's not very tall and located on low terrain. The Wheel of Mediocrity offers breathtaking views of the rooftops of industrial buildings and an eight-lane interstate highway overpass, and tantalizing glimpses of the two-acre homeless encampment that exists beneath said overpass. It costs $45 to ride. It can only safely and conveniently be reached by car, and your car will probably be broken into before your very eyes as you watch helplessly from the comfort of your pod.
This Polish first HSR line is Railway No 4, often called CMK (Central Rail Way). It was build between 1971 and 1977 and was designed as a freight line to stream coal from the mines of Silesia to the Baltic Coast (since communists were obsesed about coal mining). It served only freight trains till 1984.
Interestingly The Boring Company tried to build a pedestrian tunnel under a rail line in Kyle, TX (just south of Austin). It never got out of the planning phase because it didn't mean Union Pacific's saftey standards.
Seeing the Zerleros workshop reminded the story about Accuracy International winning the contract to build sniper rifles for the UK MOD in the mid 80s. Accuracy International was a couple competitive shooting enthusiasts building competition rifles in a garden shed. They wanted to get a professional assessment on their rifle and they thought a good way of doing this was to put their rifle into the MOD trials for a new sniper rifle for the British armed forces. They were clearly quite good at designing and building rifles as their rifle aced the test easily defeating the designs offered up by the worlds leading arms manufacturers. However before placing an order the MOD said they needed to make a “secret” review their manufacturing facility, just in case they might be a couple of guys building rifles in a garden shed. So they said if you need to do a secret review lets do it on Sunday, and they spent Saturday at a friend’s company they had used to machine components putting up Accuracy International signage and putting various rifle components on the machine tools to look like they had just been machined. Again they must have done a good job as they convinced the MOD guys that they were a company of some substance and so pocketed the order which they then subcontracted out to a “proper” rifle manufacturer.
50:45 speaking of every city installing Ferris wheels, y'all might appreciate the Melbourne Star. Opened years behind schedule. Was open for 40 days before a worker installing LEDs found 3 metre cracks in it. It was closed for repairs for half a decade, at one point during this the wheel broke free. And within a week of reopening they found another crack in one of the cabins and also randomly stopped turning.
I object to the notion of all uses of 'pod' is bad. How else are you going to have Thunderbird 2 load a rescue-specific vehicle, if not by having a set of numbered pods?
@@corvuscallosum5079 Alright, if were going to this in the WTYP method, we first need to ask: “what is a synthetic fuel?”. In most contexts this refers to an carbon containing compound with 1) a high energy density, containing 2) no fossil carbon. So, something to replace kerosene or gasoline, preferentially something that works in regular combustion engines. This is generally going to direct you towards hydrocarbons. There are different methods of producing these sorts of compounds but we can roughly divide them into two groups: “chemical” or “biological”. Both have to contend with the first major challenge of making non-fossil fuels, getting non-fossil carbon. The only real source of this is, of course, carbon dioxide. Here, “biological” methods have an advantage as humans are pretty decent at growing plants, we have been doing it for a while after all. You just have set up a place for them to grow and the plants will get the carbon for you. If you want to get carbon using the “chemical” method you either need a direct-air capture plant (an immature, expensive technology, which in the best case scenario still requires large amounts of energy) or you need to have a concentrated carbon stream from some other process. Now, we have a lot of those… in the forms of fossil fuel power plants or cement factories, both of which are not exactly green. We do have some greener options, such as biomass power plant and breweries, but they have their own issues but that's outside the scope. Despite these issues, guess which carbon capturing method is most popular in terms of research funding? Well, with the chemical method of course, since it is brilliant in terms of “green washing”. Fitting in perfectly with the fossil fuel industries Carbon Capture and Storage plans. You can claim that you’ve “captured” this carbon, despite the fact that it will just end up in the atmosphere eventually or you can say that, sure, we’re using fossil carbon now, but when direct air capture is up and running *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* we’ll switch. The next step is taking this carbon dioxide and changing it into a more chemically “reduced” form of carbon (think the reverse of burning). The “biological” method starts running into issues here. Best case scenario, photosynthesis is only about ~10% efficient in terms of light in vs reduced carbon out. Now, that’s using algae, which is not what current bio-fuels are based on, but we’ll get to that later. This starts being an issue depending on how much synthetic fuel you need. If we want to keep powering all our cars, boat, planes and non-electrified trains using diesel, we’d need so much sun light / surface area that we’d run into major issues. If we want to use a chemical method, there are two options, the traditional method or the electrochemical method. The traditional method uses the water-shift reaction to produce carbon monoxide and requires a ton of hydrogen. This is already used in reverse to produce hydrogen from natural gas. This process requires high pressures and temperatures and, of course, green hydrogen (which has its own problems concerning efficiency). This is once again where all the money is going since the fossil fuel industry already has a head strart here. The electrochemical method is fairly new and somewhat promising. It’s issue is just one of basic chemistry; to reduce carbon you need to push in two electrons rather than just one (like is the case in hydrogen reduction). This is difficult because of physics reasons. Despite that, this is a somewhat interesting technology that might just be feasible someday. This is really just the first major fundamental problem with synthetic fuels. Turning carbon dioxide into something not carbon dioxide requires a large amount of energy for both chemical plant and photosynthetic plants. Alright, we have our reduced carbon, now we need to make fuel. You can’t just stuff a bunch of plants in your car and go (unless you’re North-Korea, of all places. Though putting a wood-gasifier on all our vehicles would be very silly and not great for the forests). Here is where the “biological” method really struggles, cause we make biofuel this way already… from food crops. If we were to switch to these biofuels completely, we would starve ourselves (or at the very least starve the poor). Even just tying food prices to fuel prices is a terrible idea in the long run unless you have massive overproduction and are trying to subsidise an agricultural product (e.g. American corn and Brazilian sugarcane to produce bioethanol fuel additives (which aren’t great for engine durability, but I digress)). So really, you want to use either non-food by-products (2nd gen biofuels) or just produce it from gasses / atmospheric carbon dioxide directly (3rd gen biofuels). The issue with using by-products is that it might provide perverse intensives to mow / cut down natural areas to make fuel, and that it is expensive / not a mature technology. The issue with direct production with atmospheric gasses is that this also has issues (here’s where the algae come in). You would like to just grow them in open ponds, but then you get natural predators, etc. Even with 3rd gen we would still need a large surface area to just get enough light in enough algae, which would compete for arable land. If were to just produce fuel for the aviation sector, it might be feasible but still a massive undertaking. This is just the result from point 1 in our initial question, we need the fuel to contain a lot of energy, so for plants to make it requires a lot of sunlight. Also, since most current biofuels are fatty acid ester, we’d need a ton of bioethanol as well, and the production of bioethanol releases a fraction of the carbon back into atmosphere before ever using it. Using the “chemical methods” generally requires the Fischer-Tropsch process, which requires a lot of energy again (because we need to put the energy into the fuel). Though once again the fossil fuel industry has a lead on the rest, because this technology is already in use in Qatar to turn natural gas into “oil”. The overall problem is that we want to make energy dense fuel from energy poor carbon dioxide. So we need to put in that energy in the form of pressure, heat, light to make the stuff. The nice thing about the biological method is that you just need sunlight, the downside is that for these biological systems to convert carbon dioxide into something useful they need a lot of conversions, which leads to massive inefficiency. The chemical process requires massive chemical factories to do the same, but they are theoretically somewhat more efficient, however, you are still going to need to put in the more energy than you’re going to get out of your fuel. Meanwhile, the same people who have the know how to do this process, are currently getting that same fuel essentially for free from the ground. This is the real heart of the matter: why put in so much energy just to burn it again, while we can get it for way cheaper from the Saudi’s. Who’s going to pay for that research except for green washing. As long emitting carbon is free, none of these technologies are going to be competitive on a large scale. There’s just no money in it and since we live under capitalism (get your bingo cards), this will never happen… is what I would say if I were a pessimist. As an optimist, I think gen 3 biofuels and the electrochemical co2 fixation method are going to see use in the future. I think that when large sections of the transport sector are going to be combustion engine free, these technologies will be used to fill the gaps where we can’t use electricity (airplanes). Combined with banning private jets and having a realistic price (and thus lower demand) for flying that this is possible. TLDR: Synthetic fuel is currently shit, lots of green washing, but will probably decarbonise the aviation sector. Making fuel from exhaust is hard energy-wise, because physics, chemistry and biology. Biofuel for cars is stupid. Car bad, train good. I could say more, but this is a very brief yet rambling summary from what I remember from my uni courses.
A fully rusted cyber truck would look kinda cool. Cyberpunk meets Fallout. They should also build a copper version. I like the color of verdigris aswell.
SHOUTOUT TO BRYCE 3D. Gareth out here knows the real shit. Using Bryce and Poser 2 on Windows 98 to make models, hell yeah. That's some real Beast Wars animation level shit, let's gooooo. Got those Optimus Primal looking ass trains.
Why do you guys hate Elon so much? In the engineering world who is doing more to push us forward? You can hate his politics but hammering him for an imperfect gen 1 product that’s trying to replace the most popular vehicle in the U.S. just feels sad
He's a blood emerald trust fund baby who didn't even get a degree. Everything you think he's done was in fact invented by someone else, and then he came in and took credit. Come on bro
oh dude - Elon is doing nothing good in the engineering world at all, pay attention!
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Congratulations on the pin, perhaps take this time to reflect maybe perhaps his blind accelerationism is only in service to his massive ego. And of course goes nowhere, is useless, and is harmful to actual technologies that could benefit us now instead of it 50 to 60 years.
The most popular vehicle in the US is the Ford F150... which is available in a full electric version. There is nothing to replace.
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PSR it's neither precise, nor scheduled, nor a railroad, it's just trucks on tracks
I'm a corrosion engineer (yes we exist) with close on 40 years experience and all of us saw this Cybertruck stainless steel corrosion issue coming since it was first announced. Road salt will be it's death and for me it will be the comedy gift that will keep on giving.
How did you end up doing that? Not a job I thought of before.
It's just a regular engineer who specs into poison damage @@katarjin
@@katarjin There are actually degree courses...and you are about the billionth person to ask me that. Massively enjoyable work.
Mostly I go to site and the first words out of my mouth are "What the f#*k" and "Who the f#*k".
If straight stainless steel was as weather resistant as Elon seems to think it is, there would be no money in galvanizing. Instead Hot dipped galvanizing is worth several billion dollars per year
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That implies Elon knows what galvanizing is.
I think at this point Gareth should be officially added as the 6th host of the podcast along with Devon and the activate windows notification
I think the best arrangement is Activate Windows at #4, with Devon and Gareth ranked #5 and #6
@@IcarusTyler Agreed, it's only fair. Afterall Activate Windows logo has been in the most episodes.
yea, its important that the more junior hosts know their place.
Activate Gareth
@@erinfournumbers Activate Gareth, Editor Windows and Devon Logo.
Personally, I think the appearance of the Cybertruck is vastly improved when it is heavily corroded. Really gives it that dystopian future vibe.
"Mad Max" for technodorks.
Elon truly is a genius, only he can have the foresight to design ruin value into his cars
It got the same Dolerean vibes but with less polygons. Does also Elon advises to wash the metal with gasoline tho ?
The truck looks like shit. But I actually think you are right here. Maybe I have spent to long working in stainless fabrication, but I like the patina it gets. In the case of the cybertruck, the discolouration will be in outline of every bird shit, fingerprint, and wet leaf that has landed on it. But still, I think it will look better.
Like one of those ISIS death trucks with the panels welded on
As a soil scientist, I'm gonna claim full credit for killing the Hyperloop via Sandy Loam
All the freaks out there love the work of Sandy Loam. She's great!
My sister is NOT a soil scientist - she is a pig nutritionist - but she was forced to work as a soil scientist for a couple of years. Standing in the middle of barren fields in the ice and snow in February...
She liked the science of it, but hated the job.
I love the dirt scientists
Sandy Loam, who is she? And why can't I reach her?
Sandy strikes again
"OUIABEAUX" is an underrated joke by Devon
giggled way too long at that one
Beaux would sound more like the o in bow. Ouiâbou would be closer, though I'm not sure if the circonflexe over the a is necessary
Took some real psychic damage from that one
Honestly I'm just happy the hyperloop episode turned out to be "the death of" instead of "the tunnel fire of"
Also I'm happy to bestow unto wtyp the coveted "thing I was listening when I finally finished my damn sewing project" award. I am now the proud owner of a very nice and warm dressing gown which is only slightly an engineering disaster
Ah, but it's a vacuum tube so it'd be very hard to make it into a tunnel fire.
I believe in Musk, though. If any man can cause a fire inside of a vacuum, it'd be Captain Batteries.
@@The5lackerbut also the kind of incident that could start a tunnel fire is the type of incident that can cause loss of vacuum
Word.
A billionaire's only interest is the endless plunder of public funds. Get into subsidized industries, purchase public infrastructure, take all the profit and socialize anything that goes wrong. Aggressively lobby for additional subsidies.
Yes. Welfare only for corporations and highways in this cursed country.
"The first time I got mad about this was when I saw the white paprr."
THANK YOU!!! I am just a lowly aerospace graduate but almost a decade ago when I first read about the hyperloop I thought it was just a dumb as shit and I had so many people argue with me that it was going to be real. 😤😤😤
Don't know if it was mentioned and I missed it, but my biggest point of mockery has always been - WHY vacuum tho? ... *because it sounds cooler*. No other reason. Viable existing trains don't bother with it, gee why not? Is it because the energy savings are completely dwarfed by the increased cost of construction?
There could be a sweet spot where reduced air pressure vs cost of depressurizing the tunnel for every stop makes it cost less to run. But how many centuries does it need to operate before it recoups the cost of fancy hydraulics and tunnel plus all that added maintenance.
The atmospheric railway is a better engineered hyperloop even though it's 160 years old. Because at least that existed in the space of reality.
People love the idea of the genius inventor who defies experts. It makes a great story. But seldom a true one.
as a ‘lowly aerospace graduate’ you have more expertise than musk
"A weeb for France, spelled OUIB."
😂
Devon continuing to sneak in visual gags for the hogs to enjoy is *chef's kiss*
They're a treasure we don't deserve
yes and I just wish he would leave them up a few seconds longer so I don't have to pause and rewind to catch them! I watch WTYP on a second monitor while working on other things and Devon always catches me off guard!
the cautionary text from the Cybertruck manual reads like the classic SNL skit for "Happy Fun Ball"
"Do NOT taunt Cybertruck"
I knew it reminded me of something specific...
Im a space engineer. We test things in vacuum chambers all the time. The chambers are temperamental machines and the big ones require dedicated support staff. By big, I mean something you could put a desk inside.
How did the idea of hundreds or thousands of miles of vacuum tube ever leave the napkin? Goddard's excuse is that he wouldn't have had experience with vacuum chambers.
Here's how it left the napkin: it was never supposed to work. It was always only there to distract from and scuttle high speed rail.
Not to mention the most capable vacuum chamber in the world is the 2- 1km long tubes of LIGO and it takes them nearly a month to pump everything out. Thus ruling out a mass transportation system built around vacuum tubes.
How about a slight overpressure of hydrogen? You'd get like 1/16th the drag of air, and wouldn't have to worry about maintaining a vacuum. If it leaks, that's an outside problem, not an inside problem.
@@libsock9367 not sure, but how flammable would that be?
a bomb 1000 miles long. nice. @@libsock9367
Dude I was so happy that they kicked the bucket that I was the one who changed the Wikipedia article to past tense lmao
Fucking L E G E N D
Doesn't the Atmospheric Railway episode end with shitting on the hyperloop? Surely that counts as enough for an "I told you so"
Yep. There's also an even early video by Justin from 2019 shitting on the hyperloop: ua-cam.com/video/4dn6ZVpJLxs/v-deo.html
Why are you complaining right now
@@wattthefaqameye1146no they are responding to what the crew said at the beginning where they talked about how they couldnt say “i told you so” because they didnt so an episode on the loop before it flopped.
I for one am proud of WTYP for going above and beyond in their I told you so duties
I just listened to that episode and it does end in a very clear statement that the hyper loop will never work.
I do love just how duckbilled those Shinkansen get. Damn thing's got 20 feet of driver's cab and 30 more feet of snoot.
And what a glorious snoot it is!
I keep imagining the Shinkansen train floating in shallow water, occasionally opening up its bill to eat some pond scum, and shaking its rear car back and forth
@icarus313 occasionally it'll nibble on a flatcar
“The snoot droops”
*cue Shinkansen with a drooped snoot flipping end-over-end at hypersonic speeds because the snoot hit the ground and it torqued the whole cab over*
Trains as Dragons.
I was briefly involved in an effort to design a pod to the spec of Musk's original whitepaper, with my area of responsibility being the interior design of the pod. It quickly became apparent that Elon was pulling figures out of his rear end when I laid out the cross-sectional area of the "passenger" pod per his specs and determined that the passengers in the pod would have to be seated in tandem, in a posture roughly equivalent to a formula race car, in order to fit inside -- even before you counted any cross-sectional area that needed to be devoted to ducting and various mech+elec systems. The top of the car would have to hinge open to allow people to climb in and out, creating a huge vacuum seal with terrible geometry around its perimeter, and be horribly claustrophobic in transit.
If I recall, Elon of course assumed two-abreast seating with a central aisle... somehow.
That seating description reminds me of the video for what I believe was a tradeshow demo of double decker airplane seating. Just fire me out of a cannon or put me in with the cargo. I am not taking a flight with another passenger's asshole in my face.
I remember hearing about UCLA's school of Architecture / Environmental Design having a special curriculum called 'Hyperloop Studio' focused on design of stations and pod interiors. Architect Craig Hodgetts who was leading the courses was totally hellbent that the Hyperloop was absolutely going to happen and no serious technical obstacles stood in its way. Just another example that architects don't always know what they are talking about!
I mean the only way you're going to get a 30 second turnaround time is to not have seats, load from above and just fling passengers into a heap in the compartment, slam the lid and fire it off, so yeah.
reminds me of a certain submersible
Reminds me of those transport pods at the North Pole in the Polar Express movie.
Regarding the cybertruck rusting, stainless steel can and will rust prodigiously when contaminated with normal steel, say if somebody grinds steel nearby. Or if it gets scratched deep enough. Or if you use pure water. Or if it gets salt water on it. Or if you put too much acid on it. Or…
I’m almost willing to bet that they neglected to passivate the panels, which is an acid bath to remove the surface iron from the alloy and leave only chrome as the outer, more corrosion resistant surface.
Would be interested to see what the finish looks like on this alloy after passivation. I bet they didn't because they (he? Alon seems to be a bit maniacal with his control over random shit) were trying to avoid making it look any different from the concept made on a press brake.
@@weatheranddarknesshonestly, you can tell me that they came up with the alloy themselves, and I still expect it to be just 304, but exceptionally low quality because Elon doesn’t believe in nickel.
Anyone who has seen a stainless steel exhaust after being under a car for 5 Years knew this was coming 😂
1:26:27 UK: But how are your trains safe in a crash if they're so light weight?
Japan: That's easy, simply don't crash
if i was about to crash i would simply 𝗻𝗼𝘁 crash
I looked up the definition of high-speed train (and the proliferation of them), and found this adorable sentence about Sweden's high speed train: "..launched in 1990 as a first-class only train with a meal included in the ticket price, and free use of the train's fax machine."
we still use the same trains! they did add wifi though.
Fax machines built in to every seat on the Amtrak, and 1 touch button to fax your butt crack to elon musk
I love the X2000
Imagine dying in a civil war and the thing that kills you is a cybertruck technical
Oof. That'd be a bad time.
That sounds like the fate of the guy driving the cybertruck technical
End up ran over by the world’s most bootleg Warthog.
You didnt pay for the fire extinguisher or air bag DLCs.
I would die consoled by the fact that the recoil probably destroyed the frame
hearing alice talk about being clicker trained and having a normal and well adjusted reaction
edit: the second i heard "pet journalist" i knew what was coming
Roz pronouncing Shinkansen the same way Harold Ramis would pronounce Wisconsin is tremendous
"youre gonna drive this onto like the grass parking lot at the Maryland renaissance faire, and by the time youre back, your car WILL BE in pieces, like the blues brothers car"
1) yayyyy MD ren faire reference!
2) this is reminding me of my fond memory of leaving the Maryland ren faire at the end of the day, and they fired the cannon they do at the end, which was apparently percussive enough to set off the alarm on a tesla parked near the entrance. good times, very funny
I still need to go one year, keep forgetting or work moves a trip or two during it.
I definitely reccomend it, i love it. I need to check out the PA faire at some point, I've heard good things about that one as well.
Yes they said they're under a time pressure, and its a 3hr episode. But at the 90 minute mark they just, in unison, say "ENJOY THE SILENCE" and it just goes dead.
we are professionals
Good song
Wait. Wasn't one of the Cybertruck's supposed selling points that it was a car for survivalists? That's why they shot a bunch of arrows at it and chucked a ball through its windows. It's hardly a survivalist vehicle if it immediately corrodes in the rain.
"Car for survivalists" makes no sense anyway. There's too much infrastructure required to keep them running.
A mountain bike with a trailer is a real survivalist vehicle.
It's a vehicle for survivalists in the sense that it's designed to separate survivalists from their money.
Looking at most survivalists, they tend to fall apart in the rain, too.
When he said 'survivalist' he probably meant scared conservatives afraid of cities because of Fox News and OAN.
This brings up a core problem with survivalists in general. You could never rig an improvised power generator capable of charging a cybertruck, and even if you could, you could never keep the truck running because it's all computer based and one small sensor fault can turn it into a big, ugly paperweight. Even with something more "practical" in an apocalyptic survival setting like a pre-emissions equipment diesel truck, you still have to fill half your bed with tools to keep it running in the long term, and good luck keeping it fueled once the diesel starts spoiling after a few years. For most, survivalism is more about unhealthy anxiety coping methods than actual practical ways of surviving long term. A bunker full of cans and a guns aren't going to get you very far if you don't have practical knowledge that can help you long term. Knowing how to grow food, forage, and build shelter will help you a hell of a lot more than having a big-ass truck that becomes a burden you'll have to leave behind.
> company in Germany gets mentioned
> (as a Bavarian) "Oh boy, surely they based their scam in Bavaria"
> cue picture with Markus Söder
> "God fucking damn it."
Maggus ist immerhin über die Landesgrenzen hinaus bekannt. Gut, als Simpel, aber bekannt. lol
14:10 re: the Virgin Atlantic flight of which Alice speaks: The plane was missing four screws (not bolts) that held on a non-structural panel to the top of the wing. such missing screws by themselves pose no threat to the plane's or passengers' safety. The screws were likely removed for scheduled maintenance by Virgin and either not put back before the plane left or not tightened enough. The missing screws, if not pointed out by the passenger, would likely be noticed at the next phase inspection, as the top surface of the wing isn't visible from the ground. Of course, it looks really bad for the company and speaks to a greater problem as to management and maintenance practices, so Virgin deserved to have this flight grounded, but there was no real danger to the flight.
I was in a focus group years ago that turned out to be for the hyperloop. After the guy explained the vaguest idea of the concept, we were all like "ok sure we like trains, seems fine". He had to correct us to "pod" every time we said train. I started saying train more on purpose bc it was funny.
The real hyperloop is how fast Elon returns to his divorce lawyer
When Browning looked at perfecting the machine gun even he didn't have the genius of Elon Musk by placing the victims inside the bullets
A 3 hour episode dunking on Elon? Yeah, I'm gonna say this will be an all time favorite for me.
Same
Realizing from the 1970's British Leyland car joke that Tesla literally is just "what if Lucas built the whole car, not just the electrical system."
hyperpoop
hyperpop
Hyperdupe
That's why you dont eat lots of (optical) fiber...
messing with the stocks of some companies just like that?
63 slides and nearly three hours of ad-free content that may or may not mess with your stonks
is it measured by analysing the sentiment and keywords emitted by the commentariat?
The Virgin Atlantic plane with bolts missing was an Airbus A330, which amusingly was called a Boeing Airbus A330 in many news stories. The Delta 757 in Atlanta was a 30 year old air frame, so I wouldn't necessarily blame that one on Boeing, I think it was just an unfortunately timed problem caused by improper maintenance.
All this to say, I'm still not getting on a 737 Max again any time soon.
The press really did the "bart no! Sorry, force of habit" meme
The death of hyperloop beats death in a hyperloop.
Which is beaten by death by taking a hyperpoop.
yes death in a hyperloop would most definitely look like WTYP's own brand of "chunky marinara".
@@theatheistpaladin Or death via a Hyperscoop.
Megabus checklist:
- intense smell of piss for several hours
- volcanic temperatures
- bottle rolling around in aisle
- someone playing terrible music on their phone loud speaker
- toilet is eldritch abomination
Our greatest contribution to world culture, bar none
Sample size of one here, but the time i rode the megabus it was the middle of summer and it was glacially cold inside, which was lovely for me who had only packed shorts and t-shirts.
one time in a waiting room, someone was blaring those cement scraping ASMR tiktoks on their phone speaker. made me wish they were playing top 40 rap pop instead
@@ckorp666there are people who LIKE that sound? Jesus christ. Up next: nails-on-chalkboard ASMR
Thanks Devon, your helpful 'added context' pop-up did result in a spit-take. I'm sending the dry cleaning bill to the Houthis.
Fun fact: there's the Virgin Hyperloop pod in the museum of Transportation just outside St. Louis and it's clear all the materials describing it were written by someone with a financial stake in making it not seem like a bad, failed idea.
2:38 not even the longest episode in the hopper?!
Good luck Devon, don't die
Yeah they said on Twitter they recorded a 4hr one
@@felgraf9811 dang
The hogs thank Devon for their service
The loop would have been taken over by 30-50 wild hogs
The "Grabby Pole" is a sasumata, which is the direct descendant of one of a trio of police polearms dating back at least to the edo period. The other two were the tsukubo, which is a spiky pushbroom, and the sodegarami, a pole ending in a multidirectional series of hooks for tangling in sleeves
Given how zealously we salt our roads the Cybertruck wouldn't last a day in New Jersey.
My current bet is that the first cybertruck sold in Minnesota will be reduced to a rust-like homogenate within the hour
I have shamelessly stolen the expression Chunky Marinara from this podcast.
I mean you guys had a video on The Loop (and talked about hyperloop) you yelled at it during the Vacuum Railway and SuperSonicTransport episodes, It's been featured on numberous news segments, and its been quite theoughouly debunked on Trashfuture and absolutely obliterated times over on RailNatter. I think you guys told us so
Two different Mountain Goats references, thank you November. Also appreciated Gareth getting in his classic catchphrase "I have a child."
The Stainless steel Elon used for Cyber Truck is SpaceX-tested? That explains a lot. It's a single-use item. And yes, Bavaria is the Texas of Germany.
I love that she noticed the Mini-Pres of Bavaria at 2:06:27, and righly called him out as the Kim Jong-Il of Bavaria.
Timestamps:
0:00:00 Intro
0:05:55 The GD News: Tesla Cybertruck Outclassed By A Subaru Outback
0:11:55 The GD News: 737 Max Outclassed By A Subaru Outback
0:17:23 Where Hyperloop Is Now
0:19:20 Background: Using Air to Move Trains
0:27:36 Background: Winners of High Speed Transport
0:35:03 Background: Losers of High Speed Transport
0:43:30 Background: Musk.
0:48:08 Hyperloop, Original Idea
1:00:36 Obvious Practical Considerations
1:12:03 Hyperloop vs The Bus
1:15:59 Lavatorial Digression
1:20:07 Hyperloop vs Serious HSR
1:33:12 Fate of Hyperloop Startups
2:21:17 More Credible Transport Technology
2:28:42 How Hyperloop Has Changed The World
2:35:20 Plausible Far Future Transport
2:42:09 Safety Third: Dirt Is Not A Dressing
Bump.
They should add this to the description to generate chapters.
The warm embrace of a train focused WTYP episode. All is right with the world..one can hope..
I got to ride the Shinkansen last year and knowing that I’ll probably never be able to afford to travel to Japan and ride it again makes me want to cry. Why would anyone want any other type of transportation?
Man, a smooth silent 3 hour ride with ample leg room. Then coming home to Aus and having to take 3 bus changes and 12 hours to do the same distance ... at twice the cost lmao
Trains are cool, I’ll give them that, but planes are just cooler. Saying “fuck you” to gravity all day, every day, for 120 years.
@@Artemie-np3quafter 9/11 the security theater has made planes a very unpleasant mode of transportation
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I would agree, but I literally want to be a Pilot, so clearly it’s not bad enough to overcome my desire to fly lol. But honestly that’s a fair point.
"... door being spring-loading ejected from a plane..." Important fact, the door itself will open itself in flight if you forget to secure the pins in it... UNLIKE THE GODDAMNED ACTUAL DOORS ON THE PLANE.
Please put “ft: Gareth Dennis” in the title of the episode so we know before clicking that it’ll be an extra good one this week
Albuquerque being mentioned in a positive way in regards to transportation is always nice. We have issues but making people pay a pittance isn’t one of them
Anything's better than Santa Fe amirite. I've only been to both once.
@@cholulahotsauce6166santa fe is just full of old rich ny and la boomers lol
Alice I have a deeper voice too and hearing your natural voice has made me feel more confident with my own t damaged vocal chords. Its hard being mismatched and i really enjoy hearing your takes on things, you ooze confidence I wish I had
"Touching tooters" sounds like something an eldery person would say.
What are tooters? Sounds suspiciously like hooters, which is afaik an American semi-fast food chain with strange theming?
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul In this case, slang for genitalia
Snort. 3min in “we actually ah e time pressure this time”, me surprised and looks at phone for length of episode thinking “wait wasn’t this one of the longer ones”
Still love you dorks
"...the key phrase, limited by geometryyyyyy. Write that in your copy-books, now."
'Look Around You' flashbacks abound
Ok i actually started a whole worldbuilding project from the quote alice made on the last hyperloop video
"If you want travel , you have two ways : 1) trains 2) bikes"
Or basically that is the jist of it
Sadly, I don't think it would be practical to have a world based around handcars, even though they're the bikes of trains.
I have based several IRL trips around this concept. Add boats to the equation, load up your bike and give it a go!
@@Spanderson99 ok , over time i came to the conclusion that sailing ships are basically nature's trains :
they use a low friction surface (water) and take energy from an external power supply (the wind) ...
you just need to consider the ocean and winds an infrastructure ...
@@JustDiptych good joke ...
but yeah no it's two different societies one wich uses trains the other uses bikes ...
Devon absolutely _nails_ the Australian national character in one sentence.
100%
I can imagine them hanging about, watching and hearing Elon carry on, and one of them whispering to the others, "Oi... you blokes want to knock off his fucking sub?"
I was listening to that part like, of course you take the sub off Elon's hands. Is that not a normal reaction outside Australia?
Don't know why y'all are talking about Alice's cave sub anecdote when I clearly named Devon in my comment.
dollar per dollar an aqueduct where you rent an inflatable tube for the actual manufacture cost of the tube and the water is kept moving by wind is more viable than the hyperloop AND will handle more passengers
Sounds like a hell of a lot of fun, too!
Oh Devon. Teasing even longer episodes minutes into this one? Evil. Pure evil. Love it.
I'm glad for the return on the damage sound when Devon adds a Devontation, reminds me to pause and tab back in!
"the problem with fixed way engineering is our drawings are unreasonably long"
Underrated comment right there!
2hrs 55mins and Gareth..... Niiiiiiiice
Ah so Branson is a Jeremy who owns a private island, yep obviously a James Bond villain.
Just remember it’s called a virgin train because it never goes all the way.
Short of literal teleportation, a train is the absolute most efficient way to move things over ground. Every attempt to make something new will eventually turn into trains.
Though... For cargo, I like the cargo gun from Armored Core 6. And if you're a vegetable piloting a robot, it can inefficiently transport people too.
19:00 Alice said something that included the phrase "shake hands" on TrashFuture and had a similar reaction, just expecting the "shake hands with danger" stinger.
Guys and gal, there's 13 million Quechua speakers in what is the former Tahuantinsuyo(translates to four regions), the realm governed by the Inca, whose the head of state btw. Quechua being the official language of the empire, although quite a lot of other languages used to be spoken, some I know are still active like Aimara. There seems to be another 5 million Aimara speakers, concentrated around Bolivia
A lot of people like to Call Elon Musk a real life Toni Stark. I call him a real life Cave Johnson.
Cave Johnson is actually funny, though. And he did invent the portal gun, which would legitimately be a great mass transit solution.
@@alaeriia01 I don't know. The Portal gun works only on specific kinds of surfaces and the portals can really only acommidate one person. Since you need line of sight to place a portal, there is really only a very limited amount of scenarios were a portal gun is an effective and efficient solution. (Really only moonfearring)
@@civishamburgum1234 Well, shoot on portal, put portal gun on a truck / train / boat, shoot second portal, and just leave them open permanently. The moonshot shows that portals can cover any distance you'd find on earth easily, so you have a small throughput but *instantaneous* means of transportation between any two points on earth. Though it's not clear how much energy it takes to maintain the portals, if any. The portal gun itself is nuclear powered, I think? If it runs out of juice will the portals disappear? I'd guess so. So basically you've got a system which can deliver single people or small amounts of cargo with zero delay and at likely huge energy cost. And no real land footprint, which is a point above hyperloop!
Phony Stark is more like it
the hyperloop is dead, long live the hyperloop.
next up: man who cant make truck with non-fistable panel gaps wants to put things in your fucking skull.
43:18 i refuse to let a mountain goats reference go unacknowledged. Hell yes. (The song in question is Pigs that ran straightaway into the water, triumph of)
Cybertrucks are EXCELLENT vehicles for middle-management types, because you can throw your briefcase onto the back seat without having to open any doors thanks to the panel gaps you could fly an airplane through.
Boeing has fundamentally lost the ability to manufacture planes properly because they sold off a bunch of their manufacturing facilities and hired them back as subcontractors: bringing up the cost and reducing cohesion in the design process. Airbus had similar issues at one point but has brought a bunch of production facilities back in-house and also have granted decent working conditions which attracts and retains top talent.
How is this a disaster? The death of the hyper loop is a good thing
Well a tremendous amount of resources and time was wasted on it. I guess that's a kind of disaster. But, better it's dead than still wasting more resources!
The disaster is that they derailed a bunch of actually useful train / transit projects like High-speed rail in California.
All so Elon could sell a few more Teslas. Which he could have done much more easily by improving design/QA on his cars and not running his employees ragged.
GARETH SAID THE NAME OF THE THING IN THE THING OMG!!!!!!
Saying the name of the thing is tight!
I like how the Pittsburgh hyperloop render implies that the loop would just blow past Pittsburgh without actually stopping. And also require partial demolition of the bridge that it's shown running next to.
The original loop video was how I found this podcast, this feels like an anniversary celebration
Holy fuck, the chicken bus!! Must’ve taken Fung wah from nyc to boston 500 times. You took your life into your own hands but it was $10-20 for like 15 years. RIP
The Wheel of Mediocrity is in Kansas City. Yup, even our little midwestern burg just had to jump on that hype wagon. It's not very tall and located on low terrain. The Wheel of Mediocrity offers breathtaking views of the rooftops of industrial buildings and an eight-lane interstate highway overpass, and tantalizing glimpses of the two-acre homeless encampment that exists beneath said overpass. It costs $45 to ride. It can only safely and conveniently be reached by car, and your car will probably be broken into before your very eyes as you watch helplessly from the comfort of your pod.
This Polish first HSR line is Railway No 4, often called CMK (Central Rail Way). It was build between 1971 and 1977 and was designed as a freight line to stream coal from the mines of Silesia to the Baltic Coast (since communists were obsesed about coal mining). It served only freight trains till 1984.
is it the one that was designed for 160km/h+ traffic even though there was no rolling stock at the time that could do that?
1:28:16 I was SURE Alice was gonna say "one way to get more social cohesion is to embrace really fast trains"
I mean, it certainly would be a way to do that!
Interestingly The Boring Company tried to build a pedestrian tunnel under a rail line in Kyle, TX (just south of Austin). It never got out of the planning phase because it didn't mean Union Pacific's saftey standards.
another wtyp with gareth, WOO! thank you all and esp thank devon
Bold of Alice to describe California's render industry as "burgeoning" when Pixar has been at it for decades
7 mins in and the phrase "sucked off" is yet to be deployed. Personally I thank Gareth for this return to "normal" service.
Yeah Gareth ❤
Seeing the Zerleros workshop reminded the story about Accuracy International winning the contract to build sniper rifles for the UK MOD in the mid 80s. Accuracy International was a couple competitive shooting enthusiasts building competition rifles in a garden shed. They wanted to get a professional assessment on their rifle and they thought a good way of doing this was to put their rifle into the MOD trials for a new sniper rifle for the British armed forces. They were clearly quite good at designing and building rifles as their rifle aced the test easily defeating the designs offered up by the worlds leading arms manufacturers. However before placing an order the MOD said they needed to make a “secret” review their manufacturing facility, just in case they might be a couple of guys building rifles in a garden shed. So they said if you need to do a secret review lets do it on Sunday, and they spent Saturday at a friend’s company they had used to machine components putting up Accuracy International signage and putting various rifle components on the machine tools to look like they had just been machined. Again they must have done a good job as they convinced the MOD guys that they were a company of some substance and so pocketed the order which they then subcontracted out to a “proper” rifle manufacturer.
Hyperloop was also used as a grift to prevent the construction of the Kunming-Singapore HSR.
50:45 speaking of every city installing Ferris wheels, y'all might appreciate the Melbourne Star. Opened years behind schedule. Was open for 40 days before a worker installing LEDs found 3 metre cracks in it. It was closed for repairs for half a decade, at one point during this the wheel broke free. And within a week of reopening they found another crack in one of the cabins and also randomly stopped turning.
It's also built on a swamp
29:19 those TGVs look like Star Wars trains. The white stripe on red with the hard edges and defined panels just screams Star Wars to me.
The Seattle Monorail does in fact pay for itself. Because it is an amusement ride first and a transport system between two food courts second.
I object to the notion of all uses of 'pod' is bad.
How else are you going to have Thunderbird 2 load a rescue-specific vehicle, if not by having a set of numbered pods?
You know the pod's gonna be good when it's 3 hours long and has gareth denis
2:36:20 Oh god, synthetic fuels. If you ever need someone to rant about that for 2 hours, I could probably keep that up
If you're game for a comment rant I'd be curious.
@@corvuscallosum5079 Alright, if were going to this in the WTYP method, we first need to ask: “what is a synthetic fuel?”. In most contexts this refers to an carbon containing compound with 1) a high energy density, containing 2) no fossil carbon. So, something to replace kerosene or gasoline, preferentially something that works in regular combustion engines. This is generally going to direct you towards hydrocarbons.
There are different methods of producing these sorts of compounds but we can roughly divide them into two groups: “chemical” or “biological”. Both have to contend with the first major challenge of making non-fossil fuels, getting non-fossil carbon. The only real source of this is, of course, carbon dioxide. Here, “biological” methods have an advantage as humans are pretty decent at growing plants, we have been doing it for a while after all. You just have set up a place for them to grow and the plants will get the carbon for you. If you want to get carbon using the “chemical” method you either need a direct-air capture plant (an immature, expensive technology, which in the best case scenario still requires large amounts of energy) or you need to have a concentrated carbon stream from some other process. Now, we have a lot of those… in the forms of fossil fuel power plants or cement factories, both of which are not exactly green. We do have some greener options, such as biomass power plant and breweries, but they have their own issues but that's outside the scope.
Despite these issues, guess which carbon capturing method is most popular in terms of research funding? Well, with the chemical method of course, since it is brilliant in terms of “green washing”. Fitting in perfectly with the fossil fuel industries Carbon Capture and Storage plans. You can claim that you’ve “captured” this carbon, despite the fact that it will just end up in the atmosphere eventually or you can say that, sure, we’re using fossil carbon now, but when direct air capture is up and running *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* we’ll switch.
The next step is taking this carbon dioxide and changing it into a more chemically “reduced” form of carbon (think the reverse of burning). The “biological” method starts running into issues here. Best case scenario, photosynthesis is only about ~10% efficient in terms of light in vs reduced carbon out. Now, that’s using algae, which is not what current bio-fuels are based on, but we’ll get to that later. This starts being an issue depending on how much synthetic fuel you need. If we want to keep powering all our cars, boat, planes and non-electrified trains using diesel, we’d need so much sun light / surface area that we’d run into major issues.
If we want to use a chemical method, there are two options, the traditional method or the electrochemical method. The traditional method uses the water-shift reaction to produce carbon monoxide and requires a ton of hydrogen. This is already used in reverse to produce hydrogen from natural gas. This process requires high pressures and temperatures and, of course, green hydrogen (which has its own problems concerning efficiency). This is once again where all the money is going since the fossil fuel industry already has a head strart here. The electrochemical method is fairly new and somewhat promising. It’s issue is just one of basic chemistry; to reduce carbon you need to push in two electrons rather than just one (like is the case in hydrogen reduction). This is difficult because of physics reasons. Despite that, this is a somewhat interesting technology that might just be feasible someday.
This is really just the first major fundamental problem with synthetic fuels. Turning carbon dioxide into something not carbon dioxide requires a large amount of energy for both chemical plant and photosynthetic plants.
Alright, we have our reduced carbon, now we need to make fuel. You can’t just stuff a bunch of plants in your car and go (unless you’re North-Korea, of all places. Though putting a wood-gasifier on all our vehicles would be very silly and not great for the forests). Here is where the “biological” method really struggles, cause we make biofuel this way already… from food crops. If we were to switch to these biofuels completely, we would starve ourselves (or at the very least starve the poor). Even just tying food prices to fuel prices is a terrible idea in the long run unless you have massive overproduction and are trying to subsidise an agricultural product (e.g. American corn and Brazilian sugarcane to produce bioethanol fuel additives (which aren’t great for engine durability, but I digress)). So really, you want to use either non-food by-products (2nd gen biofuels) or just produce it from gasses / atmospheric carbon dioxide directly (3rd gen biofuels). The issue with using by-products is that it might provide perverse intensives to mow / cut down natural areas to make fuel, and that it is expensive / not a mature technology. The issue with direct production with atmospheric gasses is that this also has issues (here’s where the algae come in). You would like to just grow them in open ponds, but then you get natural predators, etc.
Even with 3rd gen we would still need a large surface area to just get enough light in enough algae, which would compete for arable land. If were to just produce fuel for the aviation sector, it might be feasible but still a massive undertaking. This is just the result from point 1 in our initial question, we need the fuel to contain a lot of energy, so for plants to make it requires a lot of sunlight. Also, since most current biofuels are fatty acid ester, we’d need a ton of bioethanol as well, and the production of bioethanol releases a fraction of the carbon back into atmosphere before ever using it.
Using the “chemical methods” generally requires the Fischer-Tropsch process, which requires a lot of energy again (because we need to put the energy into the fuel). Though once again the fossil fuel industry has a lead on the rest, because this technology is already in use in Qatar to turn natural gas into “oil”.
The overall problem is that we want to make energy dense fuel from energy poor carbon dioxide. So we need to put in that energy in the form of pressure, heat, light to make the stuff. The nice thing about the biological method is that you just need sunlight, the downside is that for these biological systems to convert carbon dioxide into something useful they need a lot of conversions, which leads to massive inefficiency. The chemical process requires massive chemical factories to do the same, but they are theoretically somewhat more efficient, however, you are still going to need to put in the more energy than you’re going to get out of your fuel. Meanwhile, the same people who have the know how to do this process, are currently getting that same fuel essentially for free from the ground.
This is the real heart of the matter: why put in so much energy just to burn it again, while we can get it for way cheaper from the Saudi’s. Who’s going to pay for that research except for green washing. As long emitting carbon is free, none of these technologies are going to be competitive on a large scale. There’s just no money in it and since we live under capitalism (get your bingo cards), this will never happen… is what I would say if I were a pessimist. As an optimist, I think gen 3 biofuels and the electrochemical co2 fixation method are going to see use in the future. I think that when large sections of the transport sector are going to be combustion engine free, these technologies will be used to fill the gaps where we can’t use electricity (airplanes). Combined with banning private jets and having a realistic price (and thus lower demand) for flying that this is possible.
TLDR: Synthetic fuel is currently shit, lots of green washing, but will probably decarbonise the aviation sector. Making fuel from exhaust is hard energy-wise, because physics, chemistry and biology. Biofuel for cars is stupid. Car bad, train good.
I could say more, but this is a very brief yet rambling summary from what I remember from my uni courses.
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