Deciding our new rules for GUTS season 5

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  • @ChrisKoelsch
    @ChrisKoelsch 3 місяці тому +217

    I want a season where every one of Joez's ideas is implemented, no questions asked

    • @judithandhollyfurnace
      @judithandhollyfurnace 3 місяці тому +10

      I support this. We are at season 4. At this rate we'll get to season 8 before the next Mario Kart game comes out.
      Guts 8 should be the Mario kart season. Full chaos and all of Joez's video game based ideas. His intuition to lean on Mario kart and Mario party rules makes way more sense than trying to base this on real sports. It's middle aged men watching a children's show from the 90s. That is exactly why playing Nintendo games from our childhood is fun. We should follow their rules.

    • @pladampa
      @pladampa 3 місяці тому

      ​@@judithandhollyfurnaceFor real Nintendo is really dragging their feet on it.

    • @pladampa
      @pladampa 3 місяці тому

      ​@@judithandhollyfurnaceor extreme rules

    • @robertphillips7940
      @robertphillips7940 3 місяці тому +4

      Joez rules for Global Guts.

    • @billmurray4071
      @billmurray4071 3 місяці тому +5

      I’d be interested in seeing this, mainly to see the crazy amount that Joez would try to cheat throughout the whole season.

  • @WAspearfisherman
    @WAspearfisherman 3 місяці тому +72

    Draft a color and you have it for the whole cycle of O'Malley's shirt. You get the contestants you get. Could work out a trade mechanism for individual episodes

    • @reedgarland2810
      @reedgarland2810 3 місяці тому +9

      Yooo I fw that

    • @billmurray4071
      @billmurray4071 3 місяці тому +4

      Damn, I like that a lot.

    • @ssorkyy
      @ssorkyy 3 місяці тому

      love this idea

    • @jbchesskid
      @jbchesskid 3 місяці тому

      having to draft a certain color for x number of episodes could at least be one of the power downs

    • @jlo7770
      @jlo7770 3 місяці тому +1

      That's what I suggest. But they could do before the game starts and after 2nd event BUT they could offer some of the points they already have, so If someone sees someone they really like off the rip they could go ill trade you my player for yours and x amount of points, or they could do, ill swap you my player plus a future trade and x points. But basically they could use points to help sway the trade in their favor. Then no one is stuck with a dud 3rd(possibly).
      I like the idea of picking a team and sticking with it for the season then trades could be more important

  • @coryshannon3815
    @coryshannon3815 3 місяці тому +92

    The Jomboy crew: We struggle with math.
    Also the Jomboy crew: Let's make scoring so difficult, even the Numberphile people would be confused.

    • @tedhateswizards
      @tedhateswizards 3 місяці тому +2

      For real, they needed corrections doing 3-2-1 scoring and failed to do some basic addition when trying to simplify the per-event scoring (see Jake's 25 to 5 insistence).
      They should either keep it as simple as it needs to be for them to keep track of or involve somebody else who can work out the numbers as they do their discussion (so they don't table ideas simply due to poor arithmetic) and then keep track of the score for them.
      They can't even remember the names of the kids they draft. They're not gonna remember their weird rules.

    • @GymAndSun
      @GymAndSun 3 місяці тому

      Certified numberphile

  • @laserlemon-tv
    @laserlemon-tv 3 місяці тому +153

    6:31 "It'd be 3 times 5?"
    "Yeah."
    "25?"
    "Yeah."

    • @tonyt9850
      @tonyt9850 3 місяці тому +33

      Not a math pod

    • @1Sweetpotato6
      @1Sweetpotato6 3 місяці тому +17

      Math guy...

    • @DJColdCutz_
      @DJColdCutz_ 3 місяці тому +16

      This scoring debate has been a 4 season long “not a math pod”

    • @SadBoys.1996
      @SadBoys.1996 3 місяці тому +7

      answering your own question wrong is crazy

    • @Thetiminator44
      @Thetiminator44 3 місяці тому +1

      Chem

  • @Bfyobrian12
    @Bfyobrian12 3 місяці тому +72

    1st point - The absolute value of the points doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if it’s 0-1-2, 1-2-3, 0-2-4, 375-550-725. If the DIFFERENCE between 1st and 2nd is equal to the difference between 2nd and 3rd, then the actual value of the points doesn’t matter.
    2nd point - The stakes of the game are severely undercut when you give points per event. When you base points off of final standings, it usually means it’s anybody’s game until the very end. People will be on the edge of their seats if the difference between getting a point and not getting a point is still hinging on the Crag at the very end of the episode. Nobody cares about the stakes when your kids both have 800 points and the crag just decides who gets 1525 and 1350. The DIFFERENCE between those two finishing positions is greatly minimized when you base your points like that, and that’s why no one cared as much last season and also why no one bothered to make trades.

    • @pmac7641
      @pmac7641 3 місяці тому +2

      Thank you. I thought this was obvious by now. At the very least there need to be bonus points for winning the episode.

    • @AmmoGus1
      @AmmoGus1 3 місяці тому +6

      There is NO reason to complicate things. Season 1 was perfect. Well besides the crag brag. All you need is 0, 1, 2

    • @jesschambers6551
      @jesschambers6551 3 місяці тому

      No trades was a rule last season

    • @Bfyobrian12
      @Bfyobrian12 3 місяці тому +1

      @@jesschambers6551 Was it? Who came up with that silly rule lol

    • @benallain
      @benallain 3 місяці тому +1

      Jimmy: *unclear why people said 0-2-4 was the same as 1-2-3*
      Zack: *explains why that was the case*
      Jimmy: "What about 0-5-10?"

  • @NathanDeisem
    @NathanDeisem 3 місяці тому +49

    The "Funiest competitor" stuff isn't for points; it's like end of season NFL honors type stuff! MVP, Defensive PoY, Walther Payton PoY, Funniest competitor, does too much, etc...

  • @tysonstone1960
    @tysonstone1960 3 місяці тому +19

    The 25 point not getting corrected and them completely throwing that scoring system out because 1 person does bad math, and no one is good enough at math to catch it is wild.

  • @tysonstone1960
    @tysonstone1960 3 місяці тому +23

    In these meetings they jump around to so many different scoring concepts its like watching The Office, beach day episode where Micheal has Pam keeping up with his scoring and he gives out points and gold stars...

    • @johnnydropkicks
      @johnnydropkicks 3 місяці тому +1

      Very good point.
      By the way, where is Andy? 🙂

  • @NathanDeisem
    @NathanDeisem 3 місяці тому +32

    This has been the best off season rules meeting yet. This video series is aging like fine wine! #TeamJake

    • @packers12to80
      @packers12to80 3 місяці тому +5

      Joez just needs to not speak during these😂

  • @tomcuthbert-sayers1451
    @tomcuthbert-sayers1451 3 місяці тому +12

    simple:
    1) extend the season to 37 episodes
    2) have a mid-season tournamnet
    3) increase the salary-cap tp $25M
    4) get rid of the no-trade clause
    5) limit the amount of times
    6) instill a 5 second shot-clock during the draft

    • @Dune24
      @Dune24 2 місяці тому

      Need VAR

  • @SendItKelly
    @SendItKelly 3 місяці тому +21

    Props to Sam. Always there. Always working!

    • @teranmm
      @teranmm 3 місяці тому +4

      Always with her hand in her mouth

    • @jlo7770
      @jlo7770 3 місяці тому +1

      Lmfao I read that and looked up and her hand was in her mowf

  • @DangerSwan333
    @DangerSwan333 3 місяці тому +14

    It seems like you're all having trouble understanding that as long as the intervals between points are the same, the actual denominations don't matter.
    3, 2, 1 is the exact same as 4, 2, 0, or 5, 10, 15
    Reason being is that making up the difference is always going to be the same if the intervals are even.
    If you want to reward a winner more, or punish a loser more, you need to create a different interval
    For example, 4, 2, 1 would reward winning more, whereas 3, 2, 0 would punish a loser more.
    But as long as the intervals are even, it doesn't matter what the actual numbers are.
    You guys are looking for a system that either rewards winners, or punishes losers, and you've gotten so close a few times now to figuring it out, but you keep missing it.

    • @DanzaThatHoeJOE
      @DanzaThatHoeJOE 3 місяці тому

      This suggestion has been thrown out for multiple ball videos. Why don’t they get it??

  • @kimborampage
    @kimborampage 3 місяці тому +57

    0, 1, 3 is a good scale. That’s what chess does. Maybe one extra point for the crag win.

    • @robertphillips7940
      @robertphillips7940 3 місяці тому +10

      Events 0,1,3. Crag 0, 2, 6. The Crag is worth more in the points total during the actual game, make it worth more for Playin' too.

    • @TrikYodz
      @TrikYodz 3 місяці тому +1

      @@robertphillips7940 every rules update ive been hoping for this so much. it'd be easy to track, it'd make sense, and it'd give proper credence to the crag. and the way you make the crag brag matter is by adding 2 onto the aggro crag points (2 4 8) while all the other events are still on the normal scale. EZ-PZ

    • @johnnydropkicks
      @johnnydropkicks 3 місяці тому

      I was thinking something very similar, except it would be a 0-2-4 scoring system plus 1 point for winning the crag.
      I do like the 0-1-3 scoring system but only if there weren’t any extra points given out for winning the crag. The reason being that, most likely, most episodes would end with 0-1-4 points being awarded, which I feel is too big of a gap from 1st to 2nd.

    • @CheepsAhoy69
      @CheepsAhoy69 3 місяці тому

      what you mean chess is 0 for a loss, 1/2 for a draw, 1 for a win

    • @ryanjohnson8131
      @ryanjohnson8131 3 місяці тому +2

      @@johnnydropkicks I'm actually pretty happy with what they came up with here. 0-2-4 with the chance to pick up a single point here and there.
      If moving from 0-1-2 though, I'd go with 0-2-5 instead of 0-1-3. I just think the gap in relative value between 1st and 2nd in 0-1-3 lowers overall entertainment. It's fun to have comebacks during the season. Keeps everyone engaged each episode.

  • @edibleapeman
    @edibleapeman 3 місяці тому +23

    Jake and Joez cuddling on the couch is heartwarming

  • @thenationofpeacock3309
    @thenationofpeacock3309 3 місяці тому +38

    This episode should have been called “Let’s make scoring as confusing and difficult as possible”

    • @KingOrpheus
      @KingOrpheus 3 місяці тому +2

      Almost too many possibilities.

  • @DJColdCutz_
    @DJColdCutz_ 3 місяці тому +42

    I still like the idea of drafting the kids off their Spill Your GUTS bios

    • @Sam_on_YouTube
      @Sam_on_YouTube 3 місяці тому +1

      I like drafting after the first event.

    • @Toogs
      @Toogs 3 місяці тому +7

      I so badly want them to try this. It would lead to fun draft debates, and an entertaining episode as we watch the kids either confirm or contradict their bio

    • @pladampa
      @pladampa 3 місяці тому +1

      That's a good idea

    • @DaddyRatchet23
      @DaddyRatchet23 3 місяці тому +2

      I like this, and maybe even knowing the 4 events they're drafting for.

    • @ryanjohnson8131
      @ryanjohnson8131 3 місяці тому

      @@Toogs Also wouldn't be able to spam height as a decision maker. Works less well with this season making the bios less entertaining by forcing the GUTS= into every single one of them.

  • @corygerhards4817
    @corygerhards4817 3 місяці тому +30

    Should vote Joez not being able to bring up power-ups until he has 5 examples that don't start with 'we all can come up with' or end with 'or whatever'.

    • @devinbagwell8924
      @devinbagwell8924 3 місяці тому +3

      Exactly, they told Joez last meeting that if he was going to bring up power-ups he needed to bring better examples to the table next time. Seems like he didn't put any thought into it at all.

  • @APelleti2
    @APelleti2 3 місяці тому +14

    Season 5, where the show went off the rails on points.

  • @razzmatazzbc
    @razzmatazzbc 3 місяці тому +3

    I think the double or nothing angle has some legs but how about simplified version: Once per season each player gets a "lock." They declare they are using their lock in an episode following the contestant draft but prior to the first event. When you use your lock, you will get to double your final points (JJTV scoring) for that given episode. That's it.
    I think it could help make everyone feel alive across the season; if you fall behind you always have your lock to try and spring forward on. Plus, it further rewards the ability to identify talent.

  • @andrewoppedisano7949
    @andrewoppedisano7949 3 місяці тому +10

    Here's my idea;
    Each of you start with a number of points. 100, 500, 47, whatever. After each draft, you each gamble a number of your remaining points on your pick, silent auction style. Minimums should apply. Points being gambled are only revealed once everyone makes their pick, kind of like final jeopardy. Winner takes all. The person with the most points at the end of the season wins. This incorporates the idea of confidence in your pick, rewarding solid thirds, punishes overconfidence in dud firsts, and you could trade points for picks or players. Let me know when you come up with a better idea 😉

    • @GreenDPS
      @GreenDPS 3 місяці тому

      I kinda like this idea a lot, though perhaps not winner take all, but win back an amount of points equal to what their contestant received at the end of the episode. Then total carries over to how much they can spend up to in the next episode.

    • @Crushnaut
      @Crushnaut 3 місяці тому

      ++ like it

    • @LukeDeHon
      @LukeDeHon 3 місяці тому

      You could also bet on where you think your pick will finish. That way it rewards not just winning but accurate assessment of contestants.

  • @mentalsoup60
    @mentalsoup60 3 місяці тому +6

    This might be complex but y’all should be able to handle this
    What if you do scoring based on the winner taking a maximum amount of points let’s say 100 to keep it easy and then the others taking the percentage difference they lost by in the episode for example:
    BLUE Wins with 1500 pts and receives 100 points for the episode as the max score.
    RED comes in second place with a score of 1350pts and so will get (1350/1500 * 100 points) = 90pts for the episode.
    PURPLE comes in last with a score of 975 and so will get (975/1500 * 100pts) = 65pts for the episode.
    This way it scales the amount of points to how well you did in the episode vs the winner.
    To keep it whole numbers you can round up for any scores that would give a decimal number I don’t think over 8-12 episodes the rounding would make a significant difference especially if you round everything up.

    • @greenday61892
      @greenday61892 3 місяці тому +2

      oh i LIKE this, and commenting to boost

    • @jesschambers6551
      @jesschambers6551 3 місяці тому +2

      They can't multiply 3 x 5 and you think they can do percentages? 😂

    • @mentalsoup60
      @mentalsoup60 3 місяці тому +2

      @@jesschambers6551very true but at least the idea is out there now for them 😂😂😂

    • @mentalsoup60
      @mentalsoup60 3 місяці тому

      @@greenday61892yes thank you!

  • @GoBirds808
    @GoBirds808 3 місяці тому +57

    Jake and Jim should watch American Gladiators

    • @tdognschooch
      @tdognschooch 3 місяці тому +2

      This!!!!!!!!

    • @ChrisKoelsch
      @ChrisKoelsch 3 місяці тому +2

      Actually a great idea. It can be very hard to find where to watch them though because I used to watch the old eps on Amazon and now it's like you can't legally watch them anywhere....but I haven't checked in a while

    • @BogusMeatFactory
      @BogusMeatFactory 3 місяці тому

      Yeah I love the idea, but I think American Gladiators is pretty diligent in taking stuff down.

    • @sporkimer
      @sporkimer 3 місяці тому

      There is a channel on UA-cam uploading them...I think it's official. youtube.com/@americangladiators?si=f00WOid4JOT_9qnu

    • @Sam_on_YouTube
      @Sam_on_YouTube 3 місяці тому +1

      The 4 of them could all play on separate teams for that. They have 2 men and 2 women per episode.

  • @cn768623
    @cn768623 3 місяці тому +5

    1. Joez is hilarious
    2. For power-ups, I was thinking that you each could draw 2 randomly from the following (they need to be played before the players are drafted, each player can use only 1 power-up per episode and once played, the power-up is gone):
    Double Up: A player can double his final position score for that episode.
    Halfsies: A player can choose another player to receive half their final score for that episode.
    Triple Play: A player can triple his "Call you shot" bonus (turning it from 1 to 3 points, if they guess correctly).
    Careful Now: A player can choose another player where if they guess their "Call your shot" incorrectly, that player will receive -2 points.
    Get Blocked: A player can block a contestant from being selected for 1 selection.
    Dibs!: A player can steal another player's power-up (and that stolen power-up can be played immediately or they can play it in another episode).

  • @CapnJack1
    @CapnJack1 3 місяці тому +4

    15 mins in the video and i can't wait for Joez's power up idea to be terrible

  • @CheepsAhoy69
    @CheepsAhoy69 3 місяці тому +2

    I'm excited for this season, the 3rd event boost is a great idea. Things like that are the best new additions cause it adds to the show, more interaction. I feel like last season there was the least interaction ever cause the close 2nds or 3rds just didn't feel impactful at all and you knew it was gonna be close even before the crag so nothing really mattered

  • @davidwalker3626
    @davidwalker3626 3 місяці тому +14

    The big numbers are simply the best, because they show accurate overall contestant quality, they stop all the ties and boring simple scoring, and also allow for large point swings and big come backs. Move the decimal place over two and round to whole numbers if nothing else, and add in some sort of power ups to make trades more possible.

  • @cinco_de_la_tarde
    @cinco_de_la_tarde 3 місяці тому +12

    Imo, yall should implement a rule like "shooting the moon" in hearts. If you have a 3rd place that gets last in every event, you win.

    • @hergetp
      @hergetp 3 місяці тому +1

      This

    • @jbchesskid
      @jbchesskid 3 місяці тому +1

      That's a pretty cool idea actually

  • @sgstoner
    @sgstoner 3 місяці тому +5

    Joez gave me blue balls on the power ups.

  • @patdry
    @patdry 3 місяці тому +4

    I like where this ended up, pumped to see it in action! Thanks for sharing the process, the “blue ball” episodes are great.

  • @King01354
    @King01354 3 місяці тому +4

    The year is 2076 Joez “so about these power ups”

  • @mattcusto
    @mattcusto 3 місяці тому +4

    You should score it just like GUTS does. 100,300,500 per episode then the finale or “crag brag” is the same scoring as the actual crag

    • @shuichiakai6765
      @shuichiakai6765 3 місяці тому

      Been commenting this since season 3! So the Crag Brag matters!

  • @Tommy_11812
    @Tommy_11812 3 місяці тому +60

    Joez just needs to abandon the power ups

    • @packers12to80
      @packers12to80 3 місяці тому +8

      Joez needs to stay out of these talks all together 😂

    • @ClickPopBoom
      @ClickPopBoom 3 місяці тому

      no, if anything he needs to not give up and start the meeting for season 6 with incredibly superlative talks about powerups, I really wanna see the blindfolded butter sticks 🤣

    • @pladampa
      @pladampa 3 місяці тому +2

      Stickies and power-ups.

    • @FayeBelogus
      @FayeBelogus 3 місяці тому +7

      But what about power downs?

    • @pladampa
      @pladampa 3 місяці тому +4

      @@FayeBelogus power sideways??

  • @MrBurrito18
    @MrBurrito18 3 місяці тому +5

    Having dud 3rds would help give an incentive to make trades. Trade talks are an instant highlight that have been lacking the last few seasons.

  • @CapnJack1
    @CapnJack1 3 місяці тому +4

    To feed Joez's love for superlatives, y'all should have awards at the end of the season. MVP, biggest suprise, etc.

    • @Vgravy
      @Vgravy 3 місяці тому +1

      There could be a Little Dynamite award

  • @steelhammer103
    @steelhammer103 3 місяці тому +1

    When you guys run out of episodes, see if of you can get episodes of GUTS Global. It's the international version where they has Kids all different countries play against other

  • @jeremyledesma8587
    @jeremyledesma8587 3 місяці тому +5

    Please do a guts style challenge to determine pick order

  • @cheighes1
    @cheighes1 3 місяці тому +5

    Joez is just steadily trying to turn his whole life into Mario Bros.

  • @WaiLinDot
    @WaiLinDot 3 місяці тому +2

    This guy Joez is about to have some Kushy Dreams tonight.

  • @atomknight8361
    @atomknight8361 3 місяці тому +3

    I like a 3-1-0 scoring system with an extra point for a Crag win. It makes winners real winners while keeping 2nd and 3rd fairly close. Also spices up trades if they still believe in purple crag lane to try to weasel an extra point for themselves even if its a losing contestant. The main problem with the scoring last season was not the points concept, but the fact literally half the episodes had an A contestant in a B crop, causing a runaway win

    • @JordanWallaceee
      @JordanWallaceee 3 місяці тому

      This is 100% the move.
      (Could treat crag wins as a tie breaker like goal difference in football/soccer if they think a bonus point is too much)

  • @Isaac-nl9kw
    @Isaac-nl9kw 3 місяці тому +1

    I like these scoring changes. Also bumping my power up suggestion from the last ball ep. Joez I think if you lead with something like this you could get Jimmy and Jake on board:
    --
    GUYS I'm curious abt powerups but I think you guys are missing the most obvious one!
    You should be able to unlock a scouting report for one (or all) of the contestants where you get to watch their "Spill Your GUTS" segment before you make your draft selection. It would add a bit of production work b/c someone else would have to go and make the clips but I think it would be funny and add some intrigue to the draft.
    For example from last ep, JoeZack picks Lawrence with 1. Then Jake has to choose between Misty and Sarah. If he uses a scouting report he gets to jump ahead to the spill your guts for both and he sees that (1) Misty is 12, is a "Bowling Phenom" and a "Unique Bowling Trickster" and (2) Sarah is 11, is a "Runner" and a "Jumprope record breaker." Jake picked Misty IRL but if he had the scouting report I bet he'd be freaked out by the double bowling facts and would go with Sarah instead.
    --

  • @Sam_on_YouTube
    @Sam_on_YouTube 3 місяці тому +13

    Watching and wondering when they'll realize that 3×5 is 15, not 25.

    • @bearsuitattack
      @bearsuitattack 3 місяці тому +1

      there are 5 events per episode, not 3

    • @JL-gm3je
      @JL-gm3je 3 місяці тому +1

      @@bearsuitattackand each event is worth 300 max. Soooooooo

    • @bearsuitattack
      @bearsuitattack 3 місяці тому

      @@JL-gm3je we might be talking about different parts of the video then. The part I am talking about it when they said 5 points for every win and 1 for every loss per event. the 5 to 25 part. So if we ARE talking about different things then my bad!

    • @julianlopez210
      @julianlopez210 3 місяці тому

      ​@@bearsuitattack Except they didnt say 5 points for every win, they said a 3, 2, 1 points system (watch starting from 6:19), so winning every event would be 3 points in 5 events = 15 points, but they never caught the mistake lol

    • @bearsuitattack
      @bearsuitattack 3 місяці тому

      @@julianlopez210 it looks like it is I who has the donkey brains, and the donkey memory then! unless donkeys have good memories then i have... the opposite!

  • @glucosaminecondroitan9135
    @glucosaminecondroitan9135 3 місяці тому +14

    Joez looks younger than 42 in the thumbnail.

    • @pladampa
      @pladampa 3 місяці тому

      Black don't crack baby.

    • @JoezMcflySports
      @JoezMcflySports 3 місяці тому +3

      Wtff im not 42

    • @glucosaminecondroitan9135
      @glucosaminecondroitan9135 3 місяці тому +1

      @@JoezMcflySports haha. Wasn't there a joke a while back that you were like, 40 or 42?

    • @Incubator411Prime
      @Incubator411Prime 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@JoezMcflySportsthat's what he's saying my man!

    • @pladampa
      @pladampa 3 місяці тому

      Why did my comment get removed? It wasn't bad. And since it's removed why am I stilll getting notifications on every reply.

  • @lyndon4010
    @lyndon4010 3 місяці тому +9

    But... I waited til the end... Joez??

    • @JoezMcflySports
      @JoezMcflySports 3 місяці тому +7

      Lmaooo

    • @lyndon4010
      @lyndon4010 3 місяці тому +3

      @@JoezMcflySports Hey i need JoeZack merch! i need to rep my boys

  • @JacobBrasel
    @JacobBrasel 3 місяці тому +2

    Scoring system example where both previous methods are used to balance out runaway winners:
    Jimmy🥇: 1,925 game points + first place points (1.925 + 3 = 4.925)
    JZ🥈: 1,350 (3.350)
    Jake🥉: 1,175 (2.175)
    Example for dud thirds:
    Jake🥇1725 (4.725)
    JZ🥈1550 (3.550)
    Jimmy🥉775 (1.775)
    If you combine the scores of the duds and the studs:
    Jimmy (4.925+1.775 = 6.7)
    Both second places:
    JZ (3.350+3.550= 6.9)
    The close first/third finishes:
    Jake (2.175+4.725 = 6.9)
    I know it’s confusing af but that’s what word is for 🤓👍🏼
    No if, ands, or buts! Do you have em?

  • @Modislickbaul
    @Modislickbaul 3 місяці тому +2

    Love you guys but you're the talent, not the brains. Accept that math isn't your strong suit and listen to the UA-cam comments on game format and scoring.

  • @joel_gibb
    @joel_gibb 3 місяці тому +2

    The biggest question of the ball talk isn't what the Guts scoring is. It's why Jake has googly eyes on his thigh?

    • @fatman.06
      @fatman.06 3 місяці тому +1

      Oh God I just realized that those were googly eyes, when I first watched I thought it was maybe like a brace or medical tape

  • @stadiumdogz
    @stadiumdogz 3 місяці тому +2

    I want a one time use powerup. The double down. If you think your contestant is going to win, double or nothing.

  • @chrismechalke4503
    @chrismechalke4503 3 місяці тому +3

    You would NOT BELIEVE how excited I am to watch this video

    • @razzmatazzbc
      @razzmatazzbc 3 місяці тому

      I was like wait am I more excited about this than an actual ep?

  • @RoboticTechnician
    @RoboticTechnician 3 місяці тому +1

    Please bring someone who has a grasp on math/numbers/addition to your next rules deliberation! It’s mostly funny but at times it gets excruciating.

  • @billbliss1518
    @billbliss1518 3 місяці тому +3

    Jimmy should start out with 750 extra points for having PEACH foisted on him.

  • @burgfuzz1859
    @burgfuzz1859 3 місяці тому +2

    Olympics coming up. We need a global guts season.

  • @GymAndSun
    @GymAndSun 3 місяці тому +2

    28:42 skip to that point for the power ups

  • @northernvideo
    @northernvideo 3 місяці тому +1

    I would like to see you all pick a team colour at the start of the season. That way you are a team and have an identity. It would be great to see the reaction of your competitor each episode.

  • @timhansen3514
    @timhansen3514 3 місяці тому +1

    OMG..... Math is hard.... smh.... just use the points and a spreadsheet.....
    Learn how to speak numbers.... smh

  • @jeffreybracker3438
    @jeffreybracker3438 3 місяці тому +1

    How bout you trade points! Like I’ll give you 100 points for your guy/girl

  • @billmurray4071
    @billmurray4071 3 місяці тому +2

    I think what we have learned is that you guys need to just make your own GUTS type show, and be the announcers for it.

  • @bvd7517
    @bvd7517 3 місяці тому +3

    The foreshortened perspective has Jake looking like Joez's kid.

  • @mattjones4576
    @mattjones4576 3 місяці тому +2

    Love the addition of bonus points to help with dud thirds and power firsts. Something that may help as well are blinds and butter sticks. Just think about it

  • @shuichiakai6765
    @shuichiakai6765 3 місяці тому +1

    I rewatched watchin Guts from season 1 and i noticed that in season 2 of Guts the events are mostly time based. This means that the kids are less likely to tie so you guys are also less likely to tie and the points are not close to each other which resulted to the domination of Jake. That’s why I don’t like the point system for season 4 of Watchin’. Unlike in season 1, the kids’ points are so close because there are many ties from the events.

  • @Ktotheile
    @Ktotheile 3 місяці тому +1

    Every time Jimmy Google's a contestant mid-game he loses 1 point.

  • @carlthompson7930
    @carlthompson7930 3 місяці тому +1

    We need guts metrics I want to know how competitors stack up to the legends

  • @gundmc13
    @gundmc13 3 місяці тому +1

    Everyone has one event where they can choose to double their contest's points. You must declare youre using your boost before the event starts. At the end of the episode, winner gets 3 points, second 2, third 1 (based on episode scoring with event modifiers). No bonus points for anything else

  • @舞蹴-t2h
    @舞蹴-t2h 3 місяці тому +1

    Jimmys reset idea is trying too hard to fix something that’s not broken

  • @Zac15
    @Zac15 3 місяці тому +1

    I like where they ended up with the rules and points. Theres still reasons to root for a competitor who obviously has no chance of winning outright

  • @NathanDeisem
    @NathanDeisem 3 місяці тому +6

    11:49 That doesn't punish bad drafting it punishes GOOD DRAFTING! If there is an obvious standout kid and you pick them, then you drafted well, but the points would be less?

    • @tedhateswizards
      @tedhateswizards 3 місяці тому

      Nah, most of the time the picks are pretty obvious. It's nothing special to draft the best kid with the first pick. For the player with the third pick to get the best kid, the first two usually have to screw up.

  • @shuichiakai6765
    @shuichiakai6765 3 місяці тому

    May I suggest that you do the Guts scoring? 100, 200, 300 for each ep for 4 ep (or more if u want) then a season finale crag brag where the scoring is like agro crag. Then a fixed 1,2,3 for the draft order like in season 1.

  • @patrickcullen4760
    @patrickcullen4760 3 місяці тому +1

    There should be a dud third bonus point where if your contestant gets 3rd in every event you get a bonus point

  • @andrewnash4970
    @andrewnash4970 3 місяці тому +1

    Never forget that Lil Dynamite caused all of this

  • @bossmt2
    @bossmt2 3 місяці тому

    I feel like everything is over complicated. Soccer figured this out years ago 3-1-0. 2nd place or a draw is worth barely more than a loss and a win is worth much more. You could award for every even then additionally for final result it would make dominance super powered and a dud 3rd painful.
    For your picks lock in the picks based on prior season results, so it would go next season JZ/Jimmy/Jake, Jimmy/Jake/JZ/, Jake/JZ/Jimmy every draft.

  • @tyler-carrington
    @tyler-carrington 3 місяці тому

    Still think they should make it simple. 300,200,100 points based on standings at the end of the episode. Crag brag at the end of the season is worth 725, 550, 375. Pick order set at start of season for trades

  • @mykel6268
    @mykel6268 3 місяці тому +9

    Did y'all hire the "doing too much guy" at JB Media?
    Because this scoring feels EXTRA.

    • @goatcheese4me
      @goatcheese4me 3 місяці тому +1

      you need some sort of extra if you're gonna implement 3-2-1, 4-2-0, etc. something has to stir the points up.

  • @SadBoys.1996
    @SadBoys.1996 3 місяці тому +5

    half of a point per event. and then a 1,2,3 point system for winning the episode

  • @grapesgreek
    @grapesgreek 3 місяці тому +1

    If you're going to do reset epis, they should probably happen before the end as in the 3rd & 6th episode, so that there is room for a comeback.

  • @danielamaro4554
    @danielamaro4554 3 місяці тому +1

    Sam back there just looking fine af

  • @masonweiss4655
    @masonweiss4655 3 місяці тому +1

    I’d love to see an end of season awards ceremony. That will fill the void of the funniest competitor, biggest dud, biggest stud, greatest crop, etc.

  • @grelgen
    @grelgen 3 місяці тому +1

    you should use a wager points system. before every event, you wager points. if your person gets first, add those points to your total. if your person gets second, it's a push and those points are automatically added to the next event. if your person gets third, minus those points

  • @mikestarr6517
    @mikestarr6517 3 місяці тому

    Power up idea: Dud Third prediction. The player picking third can claim Dud Third at the beginning of the episode. If that player goes last in all events, they get first place points. Players can use this power up until they fail, meaning that if their first time using the power up works, they retain the power up to use again later

    • @mikestarr6517
      @mikestarr6517 3 місяці тому

      Never mind lol, Jimmy basically said this a few mins later

  • @Stutz_77
    @Stutz_77 3 місяці тому

    This may be my favorite scoring system yet. The call shot will add a lot of excitement. Hate Joez power up idea but I like the power downs where they don’t effect the actual game or scoring

  • @dustinroberson1865
    @dustinroberson1865 3 місяці тому +1

    It's hard for them to come up with decent rules when they can't seem to get the math right.
    3x5 is 15
    1x5 is 5
    So the difference would be 10, or 5 per rank.
    In reality, it would be 5 or 6 from first to third.
    What needs to happen is points per event, but more points for winning episode...
    Maybe make winning the episode 1000, second for 700, 3rd for 300. Then sweeping would get you 2200, but taking last in all would be 1000 which seems like a big difference, but you are guaranteed at least 1000 every round, so it isn't that many points.
    The big issue this last season was that winning wasn't worth much, so getting someone that swept was too valuable. You could win half the episodes last year and still be way out of first because you barely won.

  • @bearsuitattack
    @bearsuitattack 3 місяці тому +1

    Can't wait for the blind and the butter sticks next season!

  • @Soccbaseball2
    @Soccbaseball2 3 місяці тому +1

    I think to incentive trading while keeping the scoring for individual events: When trading you keep all current points gained so far and only gain new points from your new player. Example Joez trades player A for player B after 2nd event. He keeps player A points from event 1 and 2 and then gets Player Bs point in final 3 events. This makes the person with better player get those big points from first 2 events but okay with dud last 3 events because they also got a pick out of it

  • @abisteinberg2193
    @abisteinberg2193 3 місяці тому

    for the next hands on ball... consider: 8 epsiodes where 1st gets 300, 2nd gets 200, 3rd gets 100 points. 9th episode krag brag where the points match the point values of the krag. points cumulative at the end of 9 to decide the season winner.

  • @SunDevilBryant
    @SunDevilBryant 3 місяці тому +1

    This is all so dumb and unnecessary.

  • @oliverm3589
    @oliverm3589 3 місяці тому +1

    Welcome to "The Ball Episode"!

  • @calipunk22
    @calipunk22 3 місяці тому +1

    I think what would help trades would be each event first place gets 1 point and the crag is 3

  • @TrocarSlushWeasel
    @TrocarSlushWeasel 3 місяці тому

    So many seasons and these guys still haven't figured out that multiplying the Guts score by 0.1 or 0.01 is the exact same as just adding up the 4 digit numbers. 11:40, I see Jimmy has taken my scoring idea. Joez's idea for superlative points is bad but maybe have a post-season awards show.

  • @danielruane88
    @danielruane88 3 місяці тому

    Bonus point for the crag too

  • @Rowdy4324
    @Rowdy4324 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm 17 minutes in and this is getting ridiculous.
    Just knock off the last two digits from each score.
    Regular events get each guy 3, 2, or 1. Crag gets them 7, 5, or 3. Bigger spread emphasizes the crag. Easy numbers to calculate

    • @damonscoleri736
      @damonscoleri736 3 місяці тому +2

      Any system that scores each event leads to more runaway winners like Jake last season. It doesn't matter how big or small the numbers are.

    • @briank2502
      @briank2502 3 місяці тому

      @@damonscoleri736exactly. It works per episode, but it doesn’t work for a whole season.

    • @Rowdy4324
      @Rowdy4324 3 місяці тому

      @@damonscoleri736 THen that's how it goes for the season. Happens.

  • @ericsinchina
    @ericsinchina 3 місяці тому

    Your 4/2/0 score system was sounding fine...but the bonus points just mean a total stud/dud episode would be 5/3/0 score. Throwing out some ideas to workout:
    The 1st place kid shouldn't automatically get a bonus for running the table. If it's a 1st overall pick and they run the table, they should lose a point...because it was just too obvious/easy. But that means a complete stud/dud episode score would be 3/3/0.
    Maybe say the 1st pick isn't eligible for the 1st place bonus and the 2nd pick isn't eligible for the 2nd place bonus.
    Or could give bonus based on pick position vs finish position....

  • @reed5369
    @reed5369 3 місяці тому

    first place 22.3388 pts
    second place 7.435767676 pts
    thrid place 2.0060002004444 pts
    the best possible point system based on statistical analysis of events that factor in the differences of bungee cords, crag lanes, colors, and the helpers and names of kids and mo's and mike's chemsitry and trades and audience members
    ur welcome

  • @jaredblondeau3611
    @jaredblondeau3611 3 місяці тому

    I know most people arent big on math but for the love of god just takeaway that if the gap in points is exactly the same for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, it literally does not matter what numbers you give them, 4 2 0 and 3 2 1 and 5 3 1 and 10 5 0 are all literally the same thing

  • @calderaus17
    @calderaus17 3 місяці тому

    JoeZack -- I understand, I can't get enough of JR. But, points for losing?!? Power-Ups, hell yeah! Let's just admit JR into the "Playin'" Guts Hall of Fame and interview him on the channel. That'd be the shit. Can't wait to see what's next.

  • @goboltsdeep9834
    @goboltsdeep9834 3 місяці тому

    I think I got it. Needs to be a 10 episode season. The point system will be 300,200,100 just like the competition for the first 4 episodes. Then episode 5 will be like the Crag where you will use 375,550,725 for the point system and repeat the process for episodes 6-10 with 10 being another Crag finale.

  • @joeweidemann5305
    @joeweidemann5305 3 місяці тому +1

    Another season of petitioning for a pre “spill your guts” power up. That way we can see the cards before the draft

  • @WhatUpRob
    @WhatUpRob 3 місяці тому

    Around the 16 min mark Jim mentions he wants to make things easy. Look at the final score card and award point there, avoiding the need to pause or go back in a video.
    The problem with wanting to introduce some spice in the show, you limit what you can do if you don’t keep track while the show is going on, as opposed to waiting until the end.
    They care about A) simple math B) dud thirds and runaway firsts C) easy/simple to follow bonus scoring
    It’s not difficult to have a pen, or spreadsheet running while the episode is going and make notes. We are here for this and will continue to watch, so it’s up to what you guys want to do.
    Idk if that made any sense but my hand is on a baseball ⚾️ and I’m here for the kicks and giggles and I’m kinda a loser and have nothing else to do so I find something interesting in gaming the game here.

  • @KingOrpheus
    @KingOrpheus 3 місяці тому +2

    This is seriously my favorite series on any platform.

  • @jlo7770
    @jlo7770 3 місяці тому

    You should draft a team... team dark grey light grey and darker grey and you stick with that all season, your locked into your team color off the rip. Then through out the season you can trade your player for an episode if you want and/or trade points. So jake could offer joeZak his player and 2 points off their already acrewed total score, for their player.
    I think itd make things interesting your pre locked into your team and if jimmy sees a player thats team medium grey that he likes but hes team dark grey he can trade before the first event and second as well, but jimmy wouldnhave to weigh his trade out because if hes only up by 3 points and offers 1 point and his player off the rip then a person isnt just risking a 0 but maybe they see a ringer and 6 points is worth the gamble of the 1 point...
    Your picking your team before the season then drafting players through out the season but you can offer more than just a "pick" thats now not in, or you could offer hey if you trade me light grey for my dark grey ill let you swap me one time later on or if its really juicy you could offer a player swap and some points. I think late season youd have higher point swaps/player swaps.
    Thats whats up.

  • @tedhateswizards
    @tedhateswizards 3 місяці тому

    Respect to Jake for being open to a DQ getting no points for the event even though he's had all but one DQ after Joez didn't want to reward a bonus point or two to 2nd and 3rd pick winners because he's historically had the most 1st pick whiffs.
    Support rules that make sense, even if they tend to skew not in your favor.

  • @patrickmccormic
    @patrickmccormic 3 місяці тому

    If you want to avoid the top points being a multiplier don’t do 3,2,1 as points. In that example it’s range is 15 to 5, but using 6, 5, 4 would be a range of 30 to 20, where a last place finish is only a third behind, if you want a close race

  • @johnnydropkicks
    @johnnydropkicks 3 місяці тому

    How about a 4-2-0 scoring system, plus 1 for finishing 1st in the crag? I think that offering bonus points in any other way will hinder any possible trading. Would that work well? Thoughts?