The Wall Tour & Movie - Pink Floyd Album Reviews
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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2022
- Following the release of Pink Floyd’s rock opera, The Wall, a short concert tour from 1980 - 1981 featured one of rock's most impressive concerts ever produced where the band built an actual wall on stage and performed memorable renditions of "Another Brick in the Wall," "Young Lust" "Comfortably Numb" and "Run Like Hell." The film adaptation was released in 1982 directed by Alan Parker and staring Bob Geldof. Which is the true way to experience The Wall?
You can watch me and Nick Patrella’s commentary on the movie on Patreon:
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Pink Floyd is without a doubt one of the greatest classic rock bands of all time. They began in the 60s with Roger Waters on bass, Nick Mason on drums, Richard Wright on organ and Syd Barrett on lead guitar and vocals. Syd penned their early singles Arnold Layne and See Emily Play. This would lead to the release of their 1967 album Piper at the Gates of Dawn, featuring classics like Astronomy Domine, Bike and the epic psychedelic instrumental Interstellar Overdrive. Their live shows were equally inventive incorporating unique light shows. However due to Syd's breakdown he would leave the band, being replaced with David Gilmour on guitar. This would become Pink Floyd's classic lineup with Roger taking more of a songwriter role, including the song Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun which would appear on their 1968 album A Saucerful of Secrets. The album was the only to feature all five band members and Syd's final composition with Floyd, Jugband Blues. Through albums like the soundtrack to More and the experimental Ummagumma, Pink Floyd was still finding their voice, focusing more on albums rather than singles, but still producing an occasional classic like Careful with that Axe Eugene. In 1970, Atom Heart Mother proved to be a success with the 23 minute instrumental and featuring Dave's song Fat Old Sun. 1971's Meddle would turn out to be an important staple for the band with the rocking opener One of these Days I'm Going to Cut You Into Little Pieces, featuring a rare spoken vocal by Nick, Roger's echoing bass line and Dave's Slide Guitar. The flip side, another 23 minute piece, Echoes, featuring Dave and Rick on vocals, is often regarded as Progressive Rock's finest moment, from the opening ping of Rick's leslie piano. They would also perform both these songs along with earlier classics Live at Pompeii. The Obscured by Clouds soundtrack appeared in 1972 with tracks like Burning Bridges and Free Four. However 1973's Dark Side of the Moon would become one of the most successful albums of all time, staying on the charts for nearly 13 years and still a best seller today. Roger's lyrics dealt with the evils of society driving one to madness, while the music was nearly one entire inter-connected piece (making it difficult to separate for a playlist or a best of / greatest hits compilation). Still standouts like Money, Time and Great Gig in the Sky are favorites among fans. Their 1975 followup Wish You Were Here, featuring the opening and closing piece Shine On You Crazy Diamond (a tribute to Syd Barrett who even showed up at the sessions), is thought to be equally great, if not greater, as Dark Side. But tensions between the band were beginning to rear their head. 1977 saw the release of Animals, notable for its famous cover. Roger became the band's main frontman and sole songwriter with Dave occasionally sharing the mic and writing credits. Tensions grew during the tour when Roger ended up spitting on a fan in Montreal and coming up with the idea for The Wall to separate himself from the audience. 1979 would see the release of The Wall, the album and later the tour and film. Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 became their best selling single and Comfortably Numb remains one of their most popular tunes. But it nearly broke up the band as Roger fired Rick for lack of output, creating a greater rift between him and Dave. Nevertheless the shows were a theatrical marvel and the movie gained critical praise. 1983's The Final Cut was Roger's final album with Pink Floyd before he officially left, leaving Dave and Nick to reunite with Rick for 1987's Momentary Lapse of Reason, featuring the song Learning to Fly. Roger sued to break up the band, but failed to do so instead focusing on his solo career. The Gilmour led Floyd would produce 1994's The Division Bell, a return to form for many fans with Rick now sharing vocal and songwriting duties again. Songs included Take it Back, Coming Back to Life, Keep Talking and High Hopes. It wasn't until 2005's Live 8 concert when Dave, Nick and Rick reunited with Roger for a short set giving closure for many fans. Syd never performed with Pink Floyd again and died in 2006. Rick died in 2008. The album The Endless River was dedicated in his honor. It should be noted The Nostalgia Critic did a review of the film.
Fun fact, Nick Mason plays acoustic guitar for Outside the Wall.
That makes me love it even more. Is it a case like a lot of the bass licks though where David invented it then Roger learned it?
@@williamthatcherkane446in “young lust” actually Roger pretends to play bass, but it is actually played by the “alternate band” bassist. Ok “hey you” he does not even pretend.
Didn't know that! Thanks 👍
I am SHOCKED that we haven't had a proper video of the concert. It's a CLEAR no brainer that will make them a ton more money and all us Floyd fans can FINALLY experience the Wall.
Literally there have been multiple film releases for this tour recently, check out Pink Floyd Research Hub for example.
I’ve always loved PF, but after watching all these videos I have fallen in too the deepest rabbit hole of research, it’s such a interesting band when you really zoom out and see all the accomplishments and failures, and you do a great job to show all of that and really appreciate the band for the hard work they dedicated
I think they should release the live show as an album. I would definitely buy it on vinyl
Well there are official CDs of the show you can get on websites like eBay, but an official vinyl release would be awesome
They already have. It's called Is There Anybody Out There? The Wall Live 1980-81.
@@nectarinedreams7208thats great to know, thank you!
@@nectarinedreams7208 I have it also but unfortunately never released on vinyl
@@nectarinedreams7208 to me it is the definitive version! I don’t even listen to the studio version anymore.
"The Wall" is the Torah of modern popular music, always has been. Something new to hear on each listen. No matter how many times.
The greatest artistic work of my generation. A magnum opus. First time I ever seen the word Torah applied to it. It's very appropriate.
I saw RW do The Wall in 2010 in Montreal. He even referenced the Olympic Stadium spitting incident, which I attended, completely unaware of what happened until many years later. I literally had chills walking in and seeing the partially built wall at the beginning of the show. The greatest concert I ever saw. I was even somewhat like those hysterical girls at early Beatles shows at certain moments during the concert.
I would absolutely love to see the live show released on DVD or Blu-Ray, and I’d especially love for a vinyl rerelease of the live album!
The Wall without Roger would be so weird, it's literally his album lol
I bought the Live CD-Version when it came out in 2000 and I feel the same as you about it. It's much more vivid and dynamic than the studio recording. The whole pace of it feels much better because of the audience reactions and the unnecessary numbers in the second half (Vera, The Boys) seem to pass by quicker and don't hurt as much. Clearly to me the best version to listen to. Also, can you believe the recording quality of it? To think they had these recordings on multitrack tape for 20 years and never released them is so odd when you've heard how good this sounds. I dare anyone to point out a live recording from the early 80s that better engineered than this release.
The bad footage always turns me off from the live show, but the movie is phenomenal in my eyes
Try the live album then
Fun fact, on the last show a cast member went inside the pink doll and walked off the stage in front of a shocked Roger.
. Wish you'd just drop it now while I'm on my lunch break but I may get off work early anyways. Hope you're doing well JT
I got the double CD of the live show years and years ago. I loved playing the live version over the studio one for a good 3 years. Will you cover the 1990 show they did in Berlin after the real life Berlin Wall fell? The one they did with a bunch of guest musicians. Also, even if you scathe The Final Cut I'll still love that album. I know everything around it was a shitshow and some of it was cut songs, but I still love it.
edit: It's funny Rodger was against playing stadiums since I saw him play this at Yankee Stadium years ago.
Pink Floyd didnt do 1990. That was Roger.
@@mimkyodar You're right.
The Final Cut is my favorite Roger Waters album.
The Wall Live 80-81 is the official version of the album for me, it's so energetic and their performance was beyond awesome
The live shows for the Wall really is the way to enjoy the music, fantastic review!
Man I love The Wall live show, it’s so amazing and it definitely is in a way, what the album should’ve sounded like, more extended jams, What Shall We Do Now, the crowd blindlessly cheering about whatever Roger says. The Run Like Hell part is amazing and definitely amazing satire, and most of the song after that is definitely the definitive version, but that synth solo that Rick does, before the breakdown, sounds so lazily done, as if Rick was playing the blueprint for the solo and just forgot to add all the extra notes in. Still, amazing show, amazing album, and I’m excited to hear your take on The Final Cut since it’s a very divisive album.
The Final Cut is for all intents and purposes a Roger Waters album. it even says so on the back cover.
I saw them do "The Wall" live at Earl's Court circa 1981.
I'd only heard them on the radio, I had Dark Side of the Moon in my album stack but I wasn't a real fan.
Some friends had a spare ticket so I went.
I have, over the years, described it as life changing. Intense. Amazing.
All these years later and I discovered clips of the show on UA-cam.
To be honest?
It looks fairly lame in contrast to how my feeble mind remembers it.
I'd of been happy to have never seen film of the show.
The movie? I was a fan of Geldof and The Rats so he along with Floyd music made it good.
The album is a must have and headphones and lights out are required.
And some sort of mindbender is a must with any Pink Floyd experience.
Well remember you're looking at dark murky footage of the show. I'm sure it was a completely different experience in the flesh (no pun intended).
The animation for "Goodbye Blue Sky" is definitely the highlight. Fits in perfectly.
A concert film of The Wall is what would truly be appreciated. With all the remixes and deep studio and live cuts that have been put into the Early Years and Later Years box sets and the lackluster Animals release, something we actually haven't seen would be fantastic. Even the Dark Side of the Moon live from Wembley could have been a much better release if they included the Wish You Were Here, Raving and Drooling, and Echoes recordings from the event.
Another fact. Roger started the separate from the band during Animals. On the Animals Tour, Roger would either take his own limo OR helicopter to gigs while the rest of the band had their own limos. Also (according to David's first wife Ginger) Roger stayed at different hotels as early as 1977. They only traveled in America together in their 747 airliner with Algie on the fuselage. Also Rick briefly quit Pink Floyd for two days on the US Leg of the Animals Tour taking a flight back to England after Roger abused Rick on stage over a bad note or coming in a bar late. Steve O'Rourke had to follow Rick back to London and talk him into finishing the tour.
Loved the Live Album.
For the movie.... To hell with screaming face guy, haunted me and my brain cell for last 28yrs.
Hope they DO make life action or live concert version from England as you showed.
Great work as usual!
I couldn't disagree more about the movie, I honestly love it as a pretty damn good art film. But I love that people can have different opinions, and I loved to hear your take on it!
I appreciate the open mind and I certainly don't want to stop anyone from enjoying it.
@@JTCurtisMusic I'm glad we agreed on the opening scene though! That shot with the cigarette just makes me shiver, also worth mentioning his mickey mouse watch, symbolizing how he never really matured as a person. Love that detail.
Even RW eventually said he wasn't that crazy about the movie.
This Movie needs a Blu Ray along with the Old Live Show Footage. The Wall is awesome when It's Live.
JT, you are the master of musical documentaries on UA-cam. Bravo.
The film version vs the live vs the studio is quite different. There are entire songs and many additional and alternate lyrical and musical lines and interludes across all versions. The film version is very different than the album version. It‘s never been officially released even in the Immersion box set. There are even various stages of early demos both official and bootleg.
Should Roger release the live footage-YES
The movie was awesome. I remember my friends and I smoking up and getting our minds blown by the film. Very very under rated.
Yes PLEASE release The Wall concert film!! With the animation!
The live show was absolutely the ultimate way to experience The Wall. Its structure and lyrical content are specific to experience in a live setting with artist and concert goer. It's a satirical Pink Floyd concert (or any super rock band from the 1970's). Even down to the evil inflatable pig and the faceless mega concert performers. Total satire. The film really doesn't make much sense when considering these points. When Roger Waters toured The Wall in 2010, that show stayed pretty true to the vibe of the original Wall performances.
I have the live version on CD and you are correct, sonically it is the best sounding version of the album. I did get to see Roger tour The Wall in 2010, was close but not as good as the 1980 Earl’s Court version but the visuals were outstanding!
Saw Roger's production of it in Atlanta and it was incredible. Best show of any kind that I've ever witnessed. Wish it could have been with the other boys as well.
You and everyone involved with the film are crazy. One of my favorite films. The soundtrack and visuals match beautifully.
I was there at one of the Nassau shows. It was my first concert and every concert (of many bands) since has suffered by comparison. It was theatrical, loud and amazing.
I love that some stuff from the Final Cut makes it into the movie. In the sequence right before the Trial, Bob's Pink is writing lyrics and saying them out loud, and it's from Final Cut.
Gotta love the live rendition, the solo from Rick fills me with nothing but joy.
Great video !!
P.S. Will you talk about the live version at Berlin ?
Definitely planning on it
@@JTCurtisMusic Yay !!
I think they should release the live show as a concert film!
I can’t wait for the Final Cut review, I personally love the Wall franchise in general but I can see how it’s not really your thing, I’ve been watching your channel for quite some time and I’m especially enjoying your Pink Floyd album reviews, keep up the good work!
That live footage needs to be properly released, no question
Yes, they should release the footage.
The 1980 tour is maybe my favorite version of the wall
The movie is great
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I agree with you 100% in your comparison of the album, film and tour versions of The Wall. I'll take the bootleg quality footage over the disturbing imagery of the movie any day. Even with Run Like Hell being uncomfortable to watch, I still wish they didn't trim that song out of all the songs in the album.
I like the movie a lot but I feel like watching the tour is the definitive version
I’m so happy that I’m this early
Yes the should release the footage
He’s definitely right about watching it second. But I found the film version very emotional and worked well as a visual to themes of the wall. The padding was a bit off though.
Christmas comes but once a year for every girl and boy
The laughter and the joy they find in each new toy
I'll tell you of a little boy who lives across the way
This little fella's Christmas is just another day
It was a right of passage in England to watch the movie on LSD and it never leaves you after that.
I don't know if this will work on spotify, but on apple music, you can get any audio file and open it in apple music and it will stay in your library tio which you can add album artwork and change the name and even say what band made it and customise everything. so i converted all the youtube audio files of the live wall show to mp3 files and uploaded them onto my library. any youtube to mp3 converter works. i even combined happiest days with another brick 2
Couldn't agree more about that version of Run Like Hell that's on Is There Anybody Out There. I love that whole performance but if I were going to point to one track someone should listen to, Run Like Hell would be it.
I have wished for a long time for a release of the live Wall footage. The smart thing to do at the time would have been to do a special version of The Wall show in a controlled environment, some kind of sound stage for the film maybe. The film, I wouldn't say is terrible, there's some great sequences but I wish the majority of the film had been Gerald's animations supplemented with a bit of live action and not the other way around.
The Wall is an absolute masterpiece- Movie, album, stage show, the entire thing is mind bogglingly genius.
Task another artist or group with creating something as deep and sonically profound as The Wall- and it's not happening. To think this came out in 1979 no less.
I had not seen The Wall since my freshman year in college in 1988, and I finally sat down and watched it a couple of nights ago. I owned the CD several years before I saw the film, and I saw it a couple of years before I saw it a few times on VCR and then that last time at a campus cinema in 88--anyway, back to my point. I didn't know much about PF or the background at the time; I was a Syd Barrett girl, and my interest pretty much stopped there, although I also had a copy of Dark Side and eventually bought Meddle on a (lucky) whim.
Eventually, I fell down the rabbit hole and actually learned everyone's names and the real history of the band, Initially because they're connected to other bands that I really love (I'm a massive fan of the Who, for the example, and I know Pete Townshend has been a great mentor for Roger Waters over the years), and then for their own sakes; I read NIck Mason's book and I really wish I could find more really solid written stuff and good complete films about them, but they are historically not the most forthcoming people, and it takes determination to unearth quality visual material online--everything seems to be fragmentary and copyright laws make things extra difficult, not to mention the fact that the Roger and David can't agree on much.
As a fan, I have such a love/hate relationship with Roger in particular, so The Wall is tough sledding. HIs emotional honesty is one of his strong suits, but he's not good at editing himself, and I just don't buy the conflated Syd/Roger character of Pink. I remember reading that David said somewhere that he eventually found The Wall "rather a whinge" and I think he's right. I think the idea of seriously exploring his trauma was solid, and honestly ahead of its time in the 1970s *but* (and this is a big one) I don't think, at least at this point, Roger had really explored his issues with women, at all. There's some pretty textbook Freudian stuff going on in the story, which I can't fault him for in itself--this is a character, after all, and the point of the story is to explain why Pink has built the wall, and his problem(s) with his mother obviously constitute at least one brick--but it kind of creeped me out that the actress in the film looked so much like Judy Trim, his first wife, and the wife character's sketchy biographical details (their meeting through their parents' political activism and her continuing commitment to the cause, not to mention the infamous phone call he made from the road when another man answered--after they had been estranged and Roger had definitely not been living like a monk) seem pretty much exactly what happened in real life, except that he portrays Pink as a little neglectful and distant--and that really really bothered me. If I were Judy, I would have been furious, especially since Roger had long since moved on, remarried, and had children in the meantime . .. . There just seemed to be a disproportionate amount of runtime, and Scarfe's animation, devoted to some terribly misogynist imagery. I don't usually get that upset about stuff like this . .. the topless groupies didn't bother me (it's sex, drugs and rock n roll, guys!)--it just seemed to bie so bitterly targeted at one particular woman in Roger Waters' life. Even if that was all part of the story, the way people get obsessed over their exes and often forget their own role in alienating them in the first place--and how his ultimate punishment is to be exposed for who he is--I don't this dragging her into it was fair. I know this seems like I'm unusually triggered by this one particular detail, but it's the kind of thing that Roger does; he attacks people personally (whether it be his bandmates or whoever) and in public, and then, often enough, he then backs down and apologizes, but not until the damage is done. And it's hard to separate the man from the work . . ..
My coworker went to the New York show. His friend had an extra ticket he wasn’t a fan and remembers very little of the show think he was maybe 16 at the time.
These videos kick ass
To each his own. I believe the live album and the live video footage are the way to experience this masterpiece and the story makes much more sense. The album always seemed to me a rush sketch of the concept, something unusual for Floyd which always took the time to record and produce gems. And I don't mean 'rush' in terms of time, it just doesn't connect.
Good summary of the movie. I would just emphasize more what required song When the Tigers broke free is, (on of the few highlights of the later release of the Final Cut), and I also loved Bob Geldoff singing In the Flesh (he had to fight Waters for that privilege) and really prefer this to Waters voice. The part of the dictator part works well.
Yes, I think the live footage should be released.
The lead up to The Final Cut was a nice way to end your review. That's an album that sounded great when 1st released. Now, however.... I'll save it for when you get to it.
Neat job, BTW!
I saw the original show twice in LA in 79 and then again a few years ago when Roger Waters performed it. Have always loved the album. The movie was fine and I know it’s been remixed and we’re just waiting for them to release that as well. And as far as the Earl courts film, that would be great to have, Pink Floyd show presented in the original Quadraphonic live mix I’d pay for that. I buy everything Floyd.
I loved the movie as a teen, mostly because it is really weird and dark, and it felt cool to show it to my friends. But as I got older I've lost patience for it. I'll re-watch (mostly the animated) segments from time to time, but I find the film as a whole just doesn't work well.
I think it's safe to say Roger Waters finally made his Wall movie in 2015
And it's absolutely fantastic
I’d do anything to hear Sabaton cover When the Tigers Broke Free
I love the movie so much
Really curious what you say about the later years after this
What later years? it's been nothing but Gilmour (and Polly) and backing band plus Roger and backing band albums. At least we were spared the indignity of Roger pretending to be Pink Floyd.
I would of LOVED to see Doug Walker to talk about The Wall movie with you. But I bet from the embracement, he'd probably want to forget it.
I love pink floyd
I'm shocked to hear on your The Wall album review that a vinyl copy now costs $50, I paid GBP 7.99 for my copy in November 1979. I guess the live show was the best way to eperience The Wall, and I really like Is There Anybody Out There, (The audience at the London show I attended shouted "No" back when that track was played) I have stronger memories of other concerts I attended around that period. I think Comfortably Numb erased all my other memories of the night
"Pink Floyd: The Wall" is not a perfect film--I would have loved to see Pink's mother be as smothering and overprotective as she is in the song--but still one of my favorites because, like I commented on your video about the album, I can relate to it on a deep deep level.
The Wall movie affects me greatly. It's a sad and "Grim-Dark". But I love it.
the wall and dark side of the moon is pink floyds best 2 albums
I do have the Roger Waters plays the Wall Live in Berlin that was put out in 1991(ish?) after the Berlin Wall fell. It's got guest performers galore and notable for Tim Curry during "The Trial" sequence. It's...okay...but considering this was a conceptual publicity/promotional grab after a significant historical event, yeah...
As much as "The Wall" is Roger's baby, the 80/81 live performances as Pink Floyd make this outshine the original album.
Will you do this series with the beatles next?
I debated it but I feel their catalog has been done to death. My Ranking The Beatles albums video is probably the closest I will get to reviewing their albums individually.
I love everything about 'The wall' the album is one of the greatest artistic statements ever, the live show is sensational and although is dark and gloomy i think its very good. I have enjoyed this series immensely, thankyou... and i will wait patiently for 'The final cut' review. My favourite Pink Floyd album. Out takes or not, for me, it works, packed with emotion and great songs. Some of the 'Left over bricks' from 'The Wall' are the best songs - 'Your possible pasts' being a fine example.
the best part of the live show is Mother.
The whole bit in the film where Pink becomes a rock-n-roll Hitler ("In the Flesh, Part 2"), to me, is like the earlier bit where the schoolkids erupt into a violent army attacking the school and the oppressive Schoolmaster: it's all a big violent fantasy in Pink's mind. The schoolkid he once was is jarred back into reality with us hearing the Schoolmaster drone on about "the area of a rectangle" (etc. etc.) -- in other words, the school did NOT get burned down. It was all a revenge fantasy in the mind of young Pink -- still smarting from having his knuckles struck by the Schoolmaster who ridiculed his poem ("Money get back / I'm alright, Jack / Keep your hands off my stack"). Later in life, after his psychological breakdown ("Comfortably Numb"), Pink's mind goes off on another violent revenge fantasy track, imagining himself marshalling the loyal forces of his audience the way Hitler whipped up the Germans into a Nazi fever, to do . . . what, exactly? What we see in the film is just general fascist violence gone out of control. Because it isn't really happening. It's all in Pink's crazy mind: "Crazy . . . toys in the attic I am crazy . . . truly gone fishing . . . They must have taken my marbles away!"
Anyway, regardless of Roger's misgivings about how the film turned out, I thought it was magnificent and I'm glad that version of THE WALL exists -- and the live-action cinematography scenes, I felt, were poignant and necessary. Things like the parallel between Pink's father's hand slipping bloodily off the radio-transceiver after the bomber strikes him down and then Pink, trying to contact his cheating wife on the payphone and then slumping down when he hears the operator say, "That was a man answering" . . . his hand slipping off the phone, just like his dying father. And scenes like the fatherless kid in the playground, seeking a surrogate Daddy and, of course, being pushed away, ending up alone on a swingset, trying to get going but his efforts being ineffectual . . . and that haunted look in the face of that child actor. No fucking WONDER he ended up building that goddamned wall. Such moments are in the film version, but absent from the album and stage shows, to a great degree, and it makes the film all that more important, for us completists out there.
Hey all you people pining for a live Wall record to buy. There was one for years in the 80's. It was a triple album called "And The Walls Came Down" from the Nassau Coliseum shows.
As I said there were tons of bootlegs over the years. I had a CD of it as well in the 2000s. I'm specifically talking about an official release with remastered audio, cleaned up visuals, etc.
The Wall as a concept was honestly too big and overflowing with potential for the time constraints, financial debt, vinyl space limitations (even as a double LP), and lack of group collaboration that Pink Floyd was dealing with at the time. But The Wall tour is when a ton of that potential truly comes out to shine. It almost feels like the album itself is an unfinished or abridged product and the live shows are The Wall in its complete form.
The movie is great me and by buddy could watch it 1000 times and it wouldn’t get old the movie isn’t about Pink Floyd the band it’s about Pink Floyd the character and his struggle with trauma that forces him to build up a wall because of that trauma util he snaps
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason we don’t see a concert video of the wall is because since Pink Floyd was pretty much broken at that point, Roger didn’t want some thing that would include him, and David Gilmour and the others together. He probably wanted to distance himself as much as he could from Pink Floyd.
Just watched your review of Pink Floyd the wall and I just want to say thanks excellent I have loved Floyd since the 80s in Glasgow taking LSD with my friends and watching the wall but since that I’ve went to see them live and both shows were amazing mind blowing stuff and I agree Gilmore pink Floyd was better than Roger but Rogers show was great but misses the guitar from Gilmor who is the best Roger was wrong about everything and he really is Pink from the film building a wall away from the rest of the band
I think the zombie-like MC was to emulate the drugged up state of mind that Pink is in at that point in the story
Outtakes... :-P
They're coming
What about A momentary lapse of reason?
Roger Waters called that an apt title and I agree with him. jk. seriously, that is a David Gilmour album with a backup band pretending to be Pink Floyd.
That'll be after The Final Cut
@@squaaaaak3178 I wouldn't take Roger's word at this point. He was involved in a bitter lawsuit and obviously there was a lot of mudslinging going on with both of them. As for my thoughts on Momentary Lapse of Reason - stay tuned.
I don’t think we should minimize nor underestimate the impact of World War I and the affect it had on the British psyche. “The Wall”, like the catastrophic loss of the young British soldiers during WW1, is purposefully not meant to be a feel good experience. “The Wall” is completely effective in driving home the point about the needless ravage associated with war.
War as a concept is boring. Something that happens to someone else. But war, viewed through the carnage of trench warfare, mustard gas attacks, and man versus machinery mass slaughter. Well now we’re making the point, like a bullhorn loud and clear, that war is hell beyond all the imagination of a war video game.
No let it Die
I bought the album on cassette, the day it was released in the U.S. NO liner notes & so I could only wonder what the hell they were singing about. Or I was too stoned to give a F#%k.....I must admit I was a little disappointed in the film. I bought the thing when it came out on VHS, though I don't think I've seen it more than 2 or 3 times. Around 1996, I was into collecting animation cels...and did buy a Gerald Scarfe piece that was used in both the movie AND the live show.
You should have a look at Roger Waters the wall
Which one?
4th
How could Roger fire Rick ? He was also a founding member.
I explained this all in The Wall review:
ua-cam.com/video/s9M_4IN0NLw/v-deo.html
24:16 to 24:23
Roger Waters: RIGHT!
(And thus became The Final Cut).
Note: Word of advice, JT. I'm calling it. You're giving this album a spotted fish so much, the Floyd fans (pro-Roger) will form an angry mob outside of your house and demand either your repentance or you'd be burned to the stake.
Oh the angry mob has been camped outside since I started this series :P
@@JTCurtisMusic
Be prepared, JT. It'll be like the "she's a witch" scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail all over again.
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Or the Spanish Inquisition sketch.
@@jamesmatthew3681 I didn't expect a Spanish Inquisition!
Dude, where's Dave era albums reviews? Huh...
I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, but The Wall is one of the most overrated albums in rock history. 3 good songs really IMO, rest is filler. Brick, Part 2, Comfortably NUmb and Run Like Hell and a couple other songs vould have made a better album overall. Overrated does NOT equal "Bad". Just rated more highly than it should be.
I think they should hand over the footage to Peter Jackson, he did excellent work with ww1 doc and the beatles doc
I'm into this suggestion!
as if roger waters would ever give him the wall tour footage
Personally I find the more harrowing bits in both the album and the film to be quite good, but I suppose I understand not liking them. Just saying though, these parts (including Roger's caterwauling) are unpleasant and difficult to experience on purpose. It's not like they were failed attempts to be pleasant.
To me there's a big difference between presenting unpleasantness is a way that's sublime and artistic and just being difficult to listen to.
@@JTCurtisMusic I feel the same way; I guess our difference is in whether that benchmark was met. To me, Roger's vocal on "Don't Leave me Now" sounds like a man falling apart, which I believe was his intent. The gross, wormy flesh imagery in the movie is just bad trip stuff, and it's deeply unpleasant but I think it does carry that vibe well, if that makes sense (which, I suppose, does make it something one might not enjoy). And the more violent stuff is, to me, not pulling punches as to the true horror of fascism. It could be argued it's gratuitous but I feel like just having a bunch of skinheads run around without seeing them do something heinous doesn't really illustrate the truly awful nature of fascist movements. Anyway I've been enjoying the reviews even when I disagree. Cheers.
@@JTCurtisMusic I should add that you did make me notice for the first time what a detour the fascist segment really is. I never really thought of that before--I just saw it as another stage in Pink's descent into madness, hallucination etc., but learning that it was a later addition to the project makes me see it differently, for better or worse.
@@aluthman281 I guess the question is are we supposed to sympathize with Pink? It's kind of hard to sympathize a guy who fantasizes about being a fascist dictator and sings "I need you to beat to a pulp on a Saturday Night" in "Don't Leave Me Now." Ashley pointed that out to us. If we're not meant to sympathize with him, then after a while it's like "Why am I supposed to care?"
"Run Like Hell" is still such a banger of a song that I can look past all of that - but some of the other music just doesn't connect as well.
I would’ve liked the wall if towards the middle of the second desk, the character pink didn’t become a fascist. After all, when people suffer from depression, they don’t suddenly turn into fascists. That turned me off to the wall, except for a few songs in general. But you’re right, in that Pink Floyd, dude go from sounding good in the studio to sounding amazing life since they tend to experiment more and not try to be so radio friendly. A great example is the division Bell tour. The division Bell was very radio friendly but Huynh performed live, the songs are endless landscapes of adventure. the guitar solos are much more emotional, the vocals are much more natural without the filter, and the instrumental portions are a lot more improvised and playful. A great example is keep talking. There are a lot more high points to the solo in Keep Talking, that just sound more emotional life than the low points in the studio version. High Hopes, has an amazing crescendo versus the studio version has a much smaller crescendo that just fades out compared to the live version on pulse that has an amazing crescendo with an almost crash bang kind of ending that feels like a rocket that broke through the atmosphere and headed to the universe leaving us behind to watch. The wall live is the same as I love the instrumental pieces to another brick in the wall part two versus just a short guitar solo at the end of the studio version. And then David Gilmour and Roger Waters vocally sparring each other on run like hell is amazing. it is almost like they are finally letting us see a little bit of the horrible fights that they went through to make the album.
How is the brother of a multi millionair a cab driver???
Am I alone in actually preferring The Final Cut to The Wall?
The movie; watching it on acid I would not recommend
The Wall is the apex of prog rock opera pretentiousness and it says a lot broadly about society while also saying very little substantive.
Ironically, as with most else on The Wall, the Surrogate Band doesn't get mentioned in the lyrics until "In The Flesh" (part 2), but of course in the show, the Surrogate Band
appears first in the running order of the songs and the "storyline." I think it's obvious the main idea behind this is that we don't know from the outset of the album WHICH version of Pink we're
going to be faced with. Maybe he doesn't even know, etc. But the "Pink" of "In The Flesh" is now "certain" that the real Pink is "back at the hotel", and now you're with the NEW Pink (or maybe the insane Pink just now believes that's the REAL Pink!) and the surrogate band, and they're the "Worms" and they don't mean you well! Etc. etc. This is also reinforced in Alan Parker's film since we see the brief glimpses during the opening "In The Flesh?" sequence of Pink in full Worms regalia, up on the parapet or whatever, so we never actually see the "original Pink" (i.e. the Pink we see glimpses of backstage and during "One of My Turns" and the hotel room sequences in general) performing live! And none of that bizarre imagery makes much sense until we get to Pink "Behind The Wall" and these Fascist Fantasias take precedence (post "Comfortably Numb"). I don't believe any of that is actually taking place in objective reality, either.
Also the more I think about it, re: the movie version, I think we don't see Pink (the pre Comf. Numb Pink) performing as his standard rock star persona because it's mainly from his
fractured perspective, and he, disappearing behind the Wall, doesn't want anyone to see him that way. It's easier to disappear behind his Mask, as it were. He's rejecting his previous
role, so we only see him cracking up and starting to withdraw. We see him trying to hide in his trailer backstage, etc. from his fans, even.