Appears to be using SB29SDAC tweeter (~$50), SB16PFCR25-8 woofer (~$36) and SB16PFCR-00 passive radiator (~$26). Total drivers cost is around $110 per unit. Excellent vertical dispersion for a non-coaxial 2-way and easy 8 ohm load. Appears to have decent sensitivity as well since there's no resistor on the woofer circuit. "It is the perceived sound quality that matters not the measured quality - unless that measurement has been scaled and correlated to subjective perception through valid psychoacoustic tests." Earl Geddes
I bought a set of these speakers in April 2024. They are small and look good….but they didn’t sound nearly as good as they measured. I used a Marantz 250 and Marantz 140 with them…and the sound was nearly inaudible and muffled at lower volume. The high frequency drivers sounded distorted at times. You have to turn them up to hear them (which isn’t what I wanted…I wanted an efficient speaker system that sounded good at lower volume). I returned the speakers after just one week, and for my trouble and my expense of $200, Ty kept 20% of the purchase price for a “restocking” fee - which I knew nothing about (ouch!! - that’s just mean!). You had better really want these speakers - because after you buy them they are pretty tough to unload. Tyler Acoustics has a no return policy (after a brief introduction with a restocking fee) and there are a bunch of preowned ones for sale online with no prospective buyers.
@@robertstoddard8027 Goes to show that all of the measuring in the world doesn't amount to a hill of beans if something else in the chain is off. Maybe your vintage equipment needs rebuilding, which very well could be the case. Regardless, I'll approach these speakers with extreme caution before I lay down my money. Thank you for your honesty.
I own a pair of these, and they're great! Full & fair disclosure: I have no particular expertise in audio equipment. The build and finish of the T1 Studios are everything Danny says they are. I take his word on the quality of the internal components. The purchasing experience with Ty himself was equally good and followed by on time delivery. They sound terrific: Clear across the range of frequencies and volumes, excellent detail and imaging, surprising bass. They can fill a large room with very convincing and pleasing sound.
@@timmullins6939 Hi Tim: They sounded great out of the box. Bass and mid-range improved over the first 5 weeks. I’ve had them for 6 months, and I continue to notice some subtle improvements.
I have followed Tyler Acoustics speakers for several years, before breaking down and upgrading my speakers, started small with a used set of Linbrook signature monitors. These alone, renewed my love and passion for listening to music. I have since dealt directly with Ty and have commissioned several Tyler Acoustics products, directly through him. He is knowledgeable, easy to deal with and goes well beyond the call of duty, to meet your audio needs. I have some of his Halo line, and it pairs very well with my vintage Receivers and Amps, for my classic rock listening. My overall favorite are the Linbrook line, I fell in love with the signature monitors and then upgraded to larger Linbrooks. The materials, cabinetry, finishes, drivers(Seas and Scanspeak), and electronic components are as good as anything used. I can't say enough good things regarding Ty, and his commitment to helping people, meet their musical listening needs.
As a Mastering Engineer, it's very impressive to come across a speaker used in many mastering studios at this price, thanks for sharing, SAGE AUDIO do amazing mastering and never knew they used Tyler Acoustics : )
You know they are about true sound when they hire Danny to design the cross overs and speaker components. The cabinet’s look like danish furniture. No brainer
I noticed when Danny turned the cabinet to it's side I swear I could see reflection in the cabinet about a inch from the top a line running parallel under the veneer like the cabinet top and back wasn't flush with the side of cabinet. You can see what I'm talking about @ 2:29. Still I like the over look of the speaker I'm not sure if that's something that would keep me from purchasing them.
I'm sold.. Having seen GR Research for a long time. Now seeing and learning about your dedication for the "right" things a great speaker should have.. I must build some Encores fully max'd out with my daughter as a dad/daughter project. It's an imperative. Hopefully supply will happen again.
Technically, passive radiator is the same as ported box without possible air flow noise issues. True closed box has a higher roll off frequency but slope is 2nd order, -12 dB/oct.
The best thing about these speakers is you can call up Ty and he will talk to you and answer any questions you have. He's a joy to deal with, can't wait to get some of his speakers in time.
$2400 pair of bookshelf's I'll talk also. WTF COUNTRY IS THIS? I have to spend 15% salary on speakers ? Wow, u agree BARGAIN. Maybe. But I'll guarantee , 335 million Americans all say how can you spend three grand like buying an ice cream cone? We're well I am POOR AS DIRT! NAFTA ruined us. Somehow China is AMERICAN, N. ,CENTRAL,S. ? I'm confused. What jobs are paying? I see everyone agrees$ 3k pocket change. Can I find one? Half sarcasm. All truth.
Well got off the phone with the owner at Tyler Acoustics and he sounds honest and forthright about the speakers. He sounds as someone who loves what he does and its' not just a business but a passion. As to the speakers, he thinks they sound nice especially for the price and admits he can build better with more expensive parts and at higher prices but that goes for every other high end manufacturer and their products as well. Those beautiful veneers, cabinets, labor all add to the cost as well. But lets not beat about the bush and address the elephant in the room. They are going to want to be compared to other speakers between 2 to 4 grand and how they hold up, especially the new Buchardts. Like anyone, I would be interested in how well they soundstage, especially depth, etc. As to look and finishing, the veneers are very attractive. If they compete well against the Buchardts, I'd spend a bit more for these with those gorgeous veneers.
Thanks, Danny! I was one of those people who were bugging you about recommending a speaker without having to rebuild it. These speakers will definitely be on my short list for next pair of speakers. $2400 is a bargain for a pair of these speakers.
Yes. I love the sb A.drivers. The specs on most drivers are great. Have my built with a ring radiator tweeter and morel bass. Tweeter on top in a round oak piece. And a v shaped box. Plays very smooth and goes down low. Want to build the next one with 2 5” drivers and a tweeter in the middle. All sp.A. Drivers. Nice to see this speaker being well made.
I used to build loudspeakers and subwoofers....DAMN impressive job... To those who don't know that may sound easy getting those results... But I assure you from experience... VERY WELL DONE
Well Danny, I sure didn't see that coming, you got me. The shape, offset tweeter, rear passive, great guts. It must be Halloween in the air at GR Research, trick or treat, it's a treat. Ah, yep think I heard an owl hooting in the distance on those new speakers.
Those are cool. I like the offset tweeters and sloped baffles. I tend to think speakers sound better when tweeters don’t reach your ears first. Rear terminals aren’t a plastic cup. No sound in the midrange resonating out a port. The beautiful cabinetry is icing on the cake.
Boy am I glad I saw this video. Just got off the phone with Ty and placed an order for a pair in the same ribbon mahogany as in this video. Can't wait to receive and hear them. Big fan of your work, Danny!
Tyler speakers do indeed LOOK very nice. I bought a pair of the big floor standers about 8 years ago, and they were completely unbraced and undamped inside. Big lesson to me... not to buy big speakers unheard. This is not such a problem with small speakers, as they can more easily be returned. But not large speakers. I ended up reselling them as used about 6 months later, at a loss of about $2000..... ouch! When Danny rapped the side of that speaker..... sounded pretty hollow to me. I'l like to see the inside of it.... is it damped or braced?
Speakers SB29SDAC tweeter (~$50), SB16PFCR25-8 woofer (~$36) Very similar to speakers but only half the price of: Speaker MF/LF SEAS H1456-08 (ER18RNX) maximum power, W: 250; Diameter, mm: 180; Full quality factor: 0.32; Bandwidth, Hz: 45-3000; Equivalent volume, VAS: 32; Resonance frequency, Hz: 37; Power, W: 80; Sensitivity, dB: 88; Resistance, Ohm: 8 Tweeter SEAS H0881-06 (27TFFC) Dome tweeter, diameter 104 mm, impedance 6 ohms, 2000 - 30000 Hz, 80 Watts, 91 dB, FS 550 Hz I created my bookshelf acoustics on these pairs of SEAS speakers.
I can definitly vouch for Tyler Acoustics, they are simply excellent, the cabinets as mentioned in this video is world class, having tried dynaudio, b&w, tannoy, atc, the enclosure of Tyler are rock solid, inert. closest to it was atc scm19 but still far, you can tell Tyler's build is much stronger and better overall. and the sound comes out effortlessly aswell. These are no b.s. speakers, straight to the point and performance > marketing. Im glad they are going to start doing small bookshelves!
"you can tell Tyler's build is much stronger and better overall"...................Sorry but I must be simple minded. How can you tell his build is much stronger and better overall? Did I miss something? It's possible you're correct, buy I wonder what brought you to that conclusion.
@@dripslobber Hi Randy, well first, the knock test can tell you alot, and how heavy a cabinet is for its size.. the more your knock sounds dead like knocking on cement, the more inert, the better, naturally. Its not rocket science, and frankly im suprised why we dont see this level of construction with mass produced speakers, dont get me wrong, pretty much all companies high end line up have amazing cabinets, but you will pay lot of money obviously.. its not all that complicated nor hard to do, perhaps its a way to seperate the "line-ups" of product to create different classes.. also, having built many subwoofer enclosures, i can tell you that while music is playin, if your enclosure isnt inert, you will hear the box resonance aswell as the speakers, that is the beauty of a proper enclosure, you really listening to the drivers only and the enclosure doesnt color anything(of course all enclosure will have resonance, just ALOT less when its proper), not to get into details, the main goal of enclosure is to contain the driver's pressure to get the most out of it with proper volume for said driver, and port tuning depending what kind of sound you want to get.. over time you can tell when the enclosure is in the way by hearing the speakers.. often referred as "boxy" sounding
Just sold my old Tannoy P30's, which had a sloping baffle & rear firing woofer, they didn't sell well, nice to see that configuration making a comeback lol.
I really like SB Acoustics' drivers. Just from the looks but they seem to be very popular among DIYers. And Buchardt Audio designed their drivers with SB Acoustics. That's saying something
New question: What speakers would you recommend right out of the box besides those that you personally designed? That's not supposed to be a dig , I love your work but of course you're going to recommend something that you had a hand in creating! People want to know which speakers from other major manufacturers (which are more easily accessible in their countries) that you would recommend and endorse their crossover design when there's no conflict of interest at play.
@@blanex10 no he doesn't. he gives you measurents. That's not a review. He would have to listen to a speaker to review it which he doesn't actually do.
@@blanex10 Many of the speakers he opens up are older and not even available anymore so no, he's not a reviewer. He opens up speakers people have sent him to upgrade. And if you've watched his videos you'd see he does give recs for the speakers that perform well.
Nicely finished boxes, drivers are OK, easy to work with. Did exactly the same configuration with slopped baffle curved edges and offset tweeter some 5yrs ago, but with 17NRXC/NAC series which requires some complicated crossover design. Even the bass tuning is around the same frequencies.
Pretty wild! I just put together a set of speakers with SB acoustics woofers and tweeters. Just in the midst of tweaking the crossovers using Janzen coils, poly caps and Mills resistors. My woofers look to be the same as what's in the tyler's. Mine are a 6" #SB17NRX2C35-8 (8 Ohm) the tweeters are a little different than the tyler's. 1" dome #SB26ST-C000-5 (5 Ohm). You're certainly right about the woofer. Very nice and plays down quite low, no problem. Maybe when I'm done, I'll send one down for you to "Critique". I've been in contact with one of your techs, Ray Hobbs, and he's been helping me out with crossover tweaks. Great tech support from you guys! Certainly want to check out these Tyler Acoustics monitors!
from which edge? I am just drawing up some new speaker boxes now and was contemplating this. If I do .618, 1, 1.618 from the edge of the box, the ratio to the centre of the tweeter will alter if I roll the edge of the box... Because each of the radii will be the same, effecting the distance and therefore the ratio. I am thinking the ratio would need to be applied to edge on the front face before the radius. I.E if using a 25mm round over bit, start the measurement from 25mm in from all three sides.
Speaking of great speakers Danny you might want to give TS Viyager Se's a listen as the Crossover is right up your alley not to mention the "Binding Posts." I assume you know of Thonas and Stereo. Oh, you will also be impressed with his Cabinet CnC 7/8 Bamboo with gasketsing along with Dyna Audio Speakers. The only thing you might not care for are the press on cables. If I buy a pair I will soldier mine. I would be very interested in the Spectural exam.
Very nice, have you, or if not, can you do a feature on stands for monitor speakers? This can be a minefield as very often coordinating stands from manufacturers don't always bring the best out of a monitor. Plus there are open frame designs, high mass etc that each affect the performance. Buddy of mine in England did a whole work study on materials and what makes a great stand, he came up with the iF Designs range. Originally he did this for the LS3/5a but developed stands specifically for other models. When I was the UK distributor for Von Schweikert he built me a stand for the VR-1 monitors which was pretty epic (the stand VSA provided for the VR-1 was dreadful, I refused to carry it in the UK).
You make my brain juices flow. My head is spinning so I've taken your advice and currently trying to review my next project. Yamaha ns-200 speakers with 2 poly caps (6.8uf/ 50v 2.8uf 160v)and 2 air coil (1.8mH and 0.5mH) Inductors. If you ever read this, please spread your wisdom. I scoped out, like for like components by Jantzen.
Can be wrong, but the woofer looks like SB16PFCR-8 with plastic cage. Its a 30€ driver here in EU. Indeed easy to work with, 1mH and 15uF to get a nice roll off..Tweeter looks like SB29SDAC, retails for approx 40€…really nice to see low cost drivers preform!!!
Maybe you always do it this way Danny and I've never noticed it - I wanted to see the response below the 200hz that you're showing in the frequency response graph. I'd like to have an idea where the Tyler starts running out of gas on the lower end. Regardless, thanks for introducing this fine speaker.
I will have to get much further away or back in an anechoic chamber to measure lower. Your -3db point is really more room related than anything, and with this speaker it will be high 40's to mid 50's.
Tyler may indeed make awesome speakers. I live in Nashville and gave them a call to see if I could drive up to Kentucky to give a listen. Did not one to audition.Also, via the website all sales are final. That’s a big risk to take
Why did you make the speaker baffles 'handed', with offset tweeter? Is it not possible to just use unequal distances between the top and side edges to manage tweeter dispersion and then avoid needing to make a Left and a Right speaker? Especially with the side edges rounded over with a large radius.
Question as a pair do both boxes come with the tweeter shifted to the right, or is there a right and left shifted tweeter? The reason for the question is time alignments and with of sound stage would change by the off axis tweeter. I ask this becuse years of doing cars audio systems you learn cars have a sweet spot for tweeters and they are all different, also the futher you get them away from your ears the better they can sound, placement even with cheap speakers can give you better sounding outcomes. Just like distance from the listener in a room and the speaker and roo. Shape as well as distance from reflection walls or back walls. A poorly laid out room can kill the sound or make it. This "any speaker" can sound different in x amout of different rooms. Its not just the speaker you hear The room shape and size has a lot to do with it. Then the last most important key element the listeners ears.
A reference type home loudspeaker can be used as studio monitor and vice versa. If these are reference class studio monitors? Based on the drivers used most likely not, but most likely will be better than a lot of so called 'studio monitors', say KRK. Then the better Behringers might be just as good or better. As for being in the class of, say, Genelec which specializes in studio monitors, they are not - just like many others.
@@pliedtka Ok, because an actual studio monitor is not for home audio. A home audio speaker is made to sound good in a room and a studio speaker may sound flat and is used to easely pick up on faults in the music/mix. So i guess they won't be using those in proffesional studios.
(I can't speak for Danny, however) The PR only needs a few inches clearance. The real challenge is avoiding SBIR cancelations while achieving great soundstage. - Without sub support, ideally they need to be within 2' of the wall. - With sub support, ideally they'll perform best no closer than 4' off the wall. All that supposes little to no acoustic treatment.
@@FOH3663 all my systems speakers are atleast 3 foot away from the backwall or what some call the front wall lol . But Danny is correct Tyler accustics is the real deal ! Espically for pricepoint
@@dannyrichie9743 I would be careful with a generalized statement like that. Based on those freq response charts I would beg to differ. 45HZ on the low end with a 7inch woofer? The Ascend LX extends significantly lower than that with a 6inch woofer (significantly flatter FR, too) - at almost 40% less in cost. The Tyler cabs look good, though.
@@jerryg.3080 I know the speakers you mentioned. The parts quality, wiring, connectors, drivers, everything about these is really in a completely different league.
@@dannyrichie9743 If you look on the web-site under "upgrades" you can view the actual x-overs on the assembled boards, not just pieces parts. And also the specific drivers. So, yes, I'd say bass measurement down to 30HZ +/-3db (not 45HZ) puts them in a different league. A league above, not below.
@@jerryg.3080 Better take a closer look at that Ascend LX model. The actual measured response shows a -3db at 48Hz and a tuning frequency of 46Hz. They also use this metal cone woofer with tons of break up: www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-7-woofers-seas/seas-prestige-l16rnx3-6-aluminum-cone-woofer-h1869-8-ohm/ No thanks on that woofer. The SB Acoustics woofers used in the Tyler Acoustics model is MUCH better. Also, check out the crossovers. Cheap poly caps and sand cast resistors... One of the coils looks like an iron core. They didn't even pay attention to the orientation of the coils. Compared to the Tyler Acoustics model, that thing is garbage.
30 mins from my house ! Tyler accustics Owensboro Kentucky ! Did you help with the d4mx desighn danny ? They sold for around 1200US and i tell ya build quality was outstanding !! And his cabneits geez thier nice
Like others, I too encountered Tyler Acoustics some time ago. Cool stuff. I've been intrigued ever since I saw that flagship, six-foot tall tower loaded with SEAS magnesium drivers. Nice work on the SB two-way.
I suffered for a very long time with the SB17NRX2C35-8-UC driver (which plays VERY far and cannot be filtered with a simple filter), unfortunately - I had to stop at the 3rd order filter.
If adding a subwoofer, at what point would you recommend to the crossover point to be? Have always been intrigued by SB Acoustic drivers and its great to see it so well implemented here.
My oppion, subs tend to get muddy above 60hz some can go to 80hz but I like to stay around 60hz ill also use my midbass at 60hz and up tweeters at 5k hz now I dont know if he would agree with this but if you play a speaker to its limits it starts to fall apart. So keeping it in its tolerances with a 18 db crossover helps support it better in my own oppion. This is what I did in car audio and ive set up some dam nice sounding car systems doing it. At home my 12" sub in in a back conner firing at the wall its set at 60hz and not very loud its tight at this leval blends good with my tower speakers. Becuse bass is omni directional it dosnt need to fire at you, I think it almost always sounds better reflected off somthing hard. You've got to use your ears to find what sounds good to you, I cant do that for you. My ears are different then yours. My life experiences have been different my age is different my ears have been subject to different sounds over the years. Its what sounds good to you. Anybody that tells you this is the best sound is feeding you bullshit. And ill tell any speaker engineer that The graphs and parameters dont really mean shit its what you hear. Just use them as a starting point. My crossover point is a good starting point for you to try, its what I know, you be the judge.
Did you forget to radius the top edge? It’s looks a similar distance from the top edge and the short side to the tweeter but there’s no wrinkles in the vertical FR. Does the side radiusing have much of an effect when the lack of doesn’t vertically? Is this a modern Take on the Spica with a contemporary🤔 take on crossovers?
Boy, their website is really rudimentary. No real descriptions or photo gallery. You can’t see what the various finishes look like. For a company that commands the sort of prices they ask, it needs a lot more work.
@@ericthemauve Distortion and phase are the real parameters that I look at when evaluating (and designing) speakers nowadays. On and off axis responses aren't difficult to achieve (as Danny has shown so many times with his redesigns)
There is no industry standard for distortion measurements and they are easily manipulated with output levels. Getting any meaningful data outside an anechoic chamber is iffy at best. It also has little to do with how a speaker really sounds. It could highlight a problem if there is one, but that is about it. The phase relationship that matters can be seen in the sum of the response and in the vertical off axis.
Forgive my naïveté. Not an audiophile by any stretch of the imagination. I keep seeing the word "monitor" in the description of a lot of the bookshelf speakers available today. Can these be used as an open room speaker in a 2 channel system? I'm planning to upgrade my present system after 20 years...Thx
Great speaker overall, but they complete forgot to compensate for the baffle step which will give a too low level in the 100-500 region to be able to compete with the top speakers out there.
Appears to be using SB29SDAC tweeter (~$50), SB16PFCR25-8 woofer (~$36) and SB16PFCR-00 passive radiator (~$26). Total drivers cost is around $110 per unit. Excellent vertical dispersion for a non-coaxial 2-way and easy 8 ohm load. Appears to have decent sensitivity as well since there's no resistor on the woofer circuit.
"It is the perceived sound quality that matters not the measured quality - unless that measurement has been scaled and correlated to subjective perception through valid psychoacoustic tests." Earl Geddes
@reveal-lk6ip You did not price the wood and carpentry.
I bought a set of these speakers in April 2024. They are small and look good….but they didn’t sound nearly as good as they measured. I used a Marantz 250 and Marantz 140 with them…and the sound was nearly inaudible and muffled at lower volume. The high frequency drivers sounded distorted at times. You have to turn them up to hear them (which isn’t what I wanted…I wanted an efficient speaker system that sounded good at lower volume). I returned the speakers after just one week, and for my trouble and my expense of $200, Ty kept 20% of the purchase price for a “restocking” fee - which I knew nothing about (ouch!! - that’s just mean!). You had better really want these speakers - because after you buy them they are pretty tough to unload. Tyler Acoustics has a no return policy (after a brief introduction with a restocking fee) and there are a bunch of preowned ones for sale online with no prospective buyers.
@@robertstoddard8027 Goes to show that all of the measuring in the world doesn't amount to a hill of beans if something else in the chain is off. Maybe your vintage equipment needs rebuilding, which very well could be the case. Regardless, I'll approach these speakers with extreme caution before I lay down my money. Thank you for your honesty.
I own a pair of these, and they're great!
Full & fair disclosure: I have no particular expertise in audio equipment.
The build and finish of the T1 Studios are everything Danny says they are.
I take his word on the quality of the internal components.
The purchasing experience with Ty himself was equally good and followed by on time delivery.
They sound terrific: Clear across the range of frequencies and volumes, excellent detail and imaging, surprising bass. They can fill a large room with very convincing and pleasing sound.
was there a break in period involved?
@@timmullins6939 Hi Tim: They sounded great out of the box. Bass and mid-range improved over the first 5 weeks. I’ve had them for 6 months, and I continue to notice some subtle improvements.
Wow they look amazing! Congrats
Do you use these with a subwoofer?
Are these speakers designed for large listening rooms or do they fit into smaller rooms with as good results?
I have followed Tyler Acoustics speakers for several years, before breaking down and upgrading my speakers, started small with a used set of Linbrook signature monitors. These alone, renewed my love and passion for listening to music. I have since dealt directly with Ty and have commissioned several Tyler Acoustics products, directly through him. He is knowledgeable, easy to deal with and goes well beyond the call of duty, to meet your audio needs. I have some of his Halo line, and it pairs very well with my vintage Receivers and Amps, for my classic rock listening. My overall favorite are the Linbrook line, I fell in love with the signature monitors and then upgraded to larger Linbrooks. The materials, cabinetry, finishes, drivers(Seas and Scanspeak), and electronic components are as good as anything used. I can't say enough good things regarding Ty, and his commitment to helping people, meet their musical listening needs.
As a Mastering Engineer, it's very impressive to come across a speaker used in many mastering studios at this price, thanks for sharing, SAGE AUDIO do amazing mastering and never knew they used Tyler Acoustics : )
Beautiful speaker, great crossover parts, excellent frequency response, reasonably priced! Bravo! 👏 👏👏
You know they are about true sound when they hire Danny to design the cross overs and speaker components. The cabinet’s look like danish furniture. No brainer
Haha. Warst du überhaupt schon mal in Dänemark? Du Otto!!
I noticed when Danny turned the cabinet to it's side I swear I could see reflection in the cabinet about a inch from the top a line running parallel under the veneer like the cabinet top and back wasn't flush with the side of cabinet. You can see what I'm talking about @ 2:29. Still I like the over look of the speaker I'm not sure if that's something that would keep me from purchasing them.
I'm sold.. Having seen GR Research for a long time. Now seeing and learning about your dedication for the "right" things a great speaker should have.. I must build some Encores fully max'd out with my daughter as a dad/daughter project. It's an imperative. Hopefully supply will happen again.
Bought the same setup from Amphion, passive radiator too, closed box. Love closed cabinets.
Technically, passive radiator is the same as ported box without possible air flow noise issues. True closed box has a higher roll off frequency but slope is 2nd order, -12 dB/oct.
The best thing about these speakers is you can call up Ty and he will talk to you and answer any questions you have. He's a joy to deal with, can't wait to get some of his speakers in time.
$2400 pair of bookshelf's I'll talk also. WTF COUNTRY IS THIS? I have to spend 15% salary on speakers ? Wow, u agree BARGAIN. Maybe. But I'll guarantee , 335 million Americans all say how can you spend three grand like buying an ice cream cone? We're well I am POOR AS DIRT! NAFTA ruined us. Somehow China is AMERICAN, N. ,CENTRAL,S. ? I'm confused. What jobs are paying? I see everyone agrees$ 3k pocket change. Can I find one? Half sarcasm. All truth.
Exactly!!!
Looks like a phenomenal and exciting design. Beautiful with impressive specs. Great partnership!
Specs: 7" paper woofer, 1" soft dome tweeter, 88db, 9' wide, 12" deep, 16" high, 45 to 20k.
Well got off the phone with the owner at Tyler Acoustics and he sounds honest and forthright about the speakers. He sounds as someone who loves what he does and its' not just a business but a passion. As to the speakers, he thinks they sound nice especially for the price and admits he can build better with more expensive parts and at higher prices but that goes for every other high end manufacturer and their products as well.
Those beautiful veneers, cabinets, labor all add to the cost as well. But lets not beat about the bush and address the elephant in the room. They are going to want to be compared to other speakers between 2 to 4 grand and how they hold up, especially the new Buchardts.
Like anyone, I would be interested in how well they soundstage, especially depth, etc. As to look and finishing, the veneers are very attractive. If they compete well against the Buchardts, I'd spend a bit more for these with those gorgeous veneers.
PS...veneer choices/pictures should be posted over the next few days.
They will easily outperform anything in those price ranges including the speakers you just mentioned.
@@dannyrichie9743 Thanks. Also appreciated talking directly with the owner.
Those are some great looking speakers.
I trust that they sound great! 📻🎶🎼
I own a pair of Tyler Acoustics D3MX speakers. Best dynamic speakers I've ever heard
Very interesting. I hope they make a floorstander for this series. I'd be very interested in that.
Tyler Acoustics, Fritz, and Salk Sound are all great manufacturers. Im partial to Fritz, but all are great!
I have done an upgrade on one of the Fritz models. He is also a good customer of ours. He buys No Rez from us.
Thanks, Danny! I was one of those people who were bugging you about recommending a speaker without having to rebuild it. These speakers will definitely be on my short list for next pair of speakers. $2400 is a bargain for a pair of these speakers.
Yes. I love the sb A.drivers. The specs on most drivers are great. Have my built with a ring radiator tweeter and morel bass. Tweeter on top in a round oak piece. And a v shaped box. Plays very smooth and goes down low. Want to build the next one with 2 5” drivers and a tweeter in the middle. All sp.A. Drivers. Nice to see this speaker being well made.
Выглядит как феноменальная и захватывающая разработка. Красивый с впечатляющими характеристиками SB Acoustics . Отличное партнерство!
Wow. Amazing work. Thank you
Love the Kramaric shirt!
I used to build loudspeakers and subwoofers....DAMN impressive job... To those who don't know that may sound easy getting those results... But I assure you from experience... VERY WELL DONE
Well Danny, I sure didn't see that coming, you got me. The shape, offset tweeter, rear passive, great guts. It must be Halloween in the air at GR Research, trick or treat, it's a treat. Ah, yep think I heard an owl hooting in the distance on those new speakers.
Those are cool. I like the offset tweeters and sloped baffles. I tend to think speakers sound better when tweeters don’t reach your ears first. Rear terminals aren’t a plastic cup. No sound in the midrange resonating out a port. The beautiful cabinetry is icing on the cake.
Great video. Love Tyler Acoustic speakers.
Boy am I glad I saw this video. Just got off the phone with Ty and placed an order for a pair in the same ribbon mahogany as in this video. Can't wait to receive and hear them. Big fan of your work, Danny!
What is the model, I can't find them on their website...?
@@alanporter9556 Timekeeper T1
Did you get your T1 speakers? How are they? Cheers
How are they sounding now?
Tyler speakers do indeed LOOK very nice. I bought a pair of the big floor standers about 8 years ago, and they were completely unbraced and undamped inside. Big lesson to me... not to buy big speakers unheard. This is not such a problem with small speakers, as they can more easily be returned. But not large speakers. I ended up reselling them as used about 6 months later, at a loss of about $2000..... ouch! When Danny rapped the side of that speaker..... sounded pretty hollow to me. I'l like to see the inside of it.... is it damped or braced?
It has thick walls lined with No Rez.
Speakers SB29SDAC tweeter (~$50), SB16PFCR25-8 woofer (~$36) Very similar to speakers but only half the price of:
Speaker MF/LF SEAS H1456-08 (ER18RNX) maximum power, W: 250; Diameter, mm: 180; Full quality factor: 0.32; Bandwidth, Hz: 45-3000; Equivalent volume, VAS: 32; Resonance frequency, Hz: 37; Power, W: 80; Sensitivity, dB: 88; Resistance, Ohm: 8
Tweeter SEAS H0881-06 (27TFFC) Dome tweeter, diameter 104 mm, impedance 6 ohms, 2000 - 30000 Hz, 80 Watts, 91 dB, FS 550 Hz
I created my bookshelf acoustics on these pairs of SEAS speakers.
I can definitly vouch for Tyler Acoustics, they are simply excellent, the cabinets as mentioned in this video is world class, having tried dynaudio, b&w, tannoy, atc, the enclosure of Tyler are rock solid, inert. closest to it was atc scm19 but still far, you can tell Tyler's build is much stronger and better overall. and the sound comes out effortlessly aswell. These are no b.s. speakers, straight to the point and performance > marketing. Im glad they are going to start doing small bookshelves!
"you can tell Tyler's build is much stronger and better overall"...................Sorry but I must be simple minded. How can you tell his build is much stronger and better overall? Did I miss something? It's possible you're correct, buy I wonder what brought you to that conclusion.
@@dripslobber Hi Randy, well first, the knock test can tell you alot, and how heavy a cabinet is for its size.. the more your knock sounds dead like knocking on cement, the more inert, the better, naturally. Its not rocket science, and frankly im suprised why we dont see this level of construction with mass produced speakers, dont get me wrong, pretty much all companies high end line up have amazing cabinets, but you will pay lot of money obviously.. its not all that complicated nor hard to do, perhaps its a way to seperate the "line-ups" of product to create different classes.. also, having built many subwoofer enclosures, i can tell you that while music is playin, if your enclosure isnt inert, you will hear the box resonance aswell as the speakers, that is the beauty of a proper enclosure, you really listening to the drivers only and the enclosure doesnt color anything(of course all enclosure will have resonance, just ALOT less when its proper), not to get into details, the main goal of enclosure is to contain the driver's pressure to get the most out of it with proper volume for said driver, and port tuning depending what kind of sound you want to get.. over time you can tell when the enclosure is in the way by hearing the speakers.. often referred as "boxy" sounding
@@18i thanks! I’m learning 😆
Just sold my old Tannoy P30's, which had a sloping baffle & rear firing woofer, they didn't sell well, nice to see that configuration making a comeback lol.
I really like SB Acoustics' drivers. Just from the looks but they seem to be very popular among DIYers. And Buchardt Audio designed their drivers with SB Acoustics. That's saying something
Yes Danny, this is a really good speaker for the price. It's a shame that products like this are still so hard to find.
It really is that good.
@@dannyrichie9743 Would this work for a desktop setup about 3 feet away?
@@Smood47 They will if you have the space for them on your desk.
New question: What speakers would you recommend right out of the box besides those that you personally designed? That's not supposed to be a dig , I love your work but of course you're going to recommend something that you had a hand in creating! People want to know which speakers from other major manufacturers (which are more easily accessible in their countries) that you would recommend and endorse their crossover design when there's no conflict of interest at play.
most accurate speakers are vandersteen
Danny isn’t a reviewer! Why would he recommend the competition.s products? Lol
@@beauterrel1143 he literally reviews speakers and crossovers in every video
@@blanex10 no he doesn't. he gives you measurents. That's not a review. He would have to listen to a speaker to review it which he doesn't actually do.
@@blanex10 Many of the speakers he opens up are older and not even available anymore so no, he's not a reviewer. He opens up speakers people have sent him to upgrade. And if you've watched his videos you'd see he does give recs for the speakers that perform well.
Very cool Danny. You’re the man
Nicely finished boxes, drivers are OK, easy to work with. Did exactly the same configuration with slopped baffle curved edges and offset tweeter some 5yrs ago, but with 17NRXC/NAC series which requires some complicated crossover design. Even the bass tuning is around the same frequencies.
great looking speakers
We need to hear it Danny boy not just to measure it
As the front baffle is angled backwards, obviously the vertical off axis measurement will be good if only measuring above the speaker.
It is good over a wide range.
I'm sold 👌
Thanks Danny for stellar recommendation!
Pretty wild! I just put together a set of speakers with SB acoustics woofers and tweeters. Just in the midst of tweaking the crossovers using Janzen coils, poly caps and Mills resistors.
My woofers look to be the same as what's in the tyler's. Mine are a 6" #SB17NRX2C35-8 (8 Ohm) the tweeters are a little different than the tyler's. 1" dome #SB26ST-C000-5 (5 Ohm).
You're certainly right about the woofer. Very nice and plays down quite low, no problem. Maybe when I'm done, I'll send one down for you to "Critique".
I've been in contact with one of your techs, Ray Hobbs, and he's been helping me out with crossover tweaks. Great tech support from you guys!
Certainly want to check out these Tyler Acoustics monitors!
I wonder if those were 'Audio Technology' drivers, it would be pure bliss.
Nice video Danny - appreciate your insight on the speaker.
I stumbled across Tyler researching US made brands going back and was definitely curious if they were up to snuff! Great looking speakers indeed!
Danny, I placed my Usher tweeter on my DIY monitor at a 1.6 (Golden Ratio) from the edges and it looks similar to that. Beautiful speaker!
from which edge? I am just drawing up some new speaker boxes now and was contemplating this. If I do .618, 1, 1.618 from the edge of the box, the ratio to the centre of the tweeter will alter if I roll the edge of the box... Because each of the radii will be the same, effecting the distance and therefore the ratio. I am thinking the ratio would need to be applied to edge on the front face before the radius. I.E if using a 25mm round over bit, start the measurement from 25mm in from all three sides.
Speaking of great speakers Danny you might want to give TS Viyager Se's a listen as the Crossover is right up your alley not to mention the "Binding Posts." I assume you know of Thonas and Stereo. Oh, you will also be impressed with his Cabinet CnC 7/8 Bamboo with gasketsing along with Dyna Audio Speakers. The only thing you might not care for are the press on cables. If I buy a pair I will soldier mine. I would be very interested in the Spectural exam.
Hey Danny, good to see you.
Very nice, have you, or if not, can you do a feature on stands for monitor speakers? This can be a minefield as very often coordinating stands from manufacturers don't always bring the best out of a monitor. Plus there are open frame designs, high mass etc that each affect the performance.
Buddy of mine in England did a whole work study on materials and what makes a great stand, he came up with the iF Designs range. Originally he did this for the LS3/5a but developed stands specifically for other models. When I was the UK distributor for Von Schweikert he built me a stand for the VR-1 monitors which was pretty epic (the stand VSA provided for the VR-1 was dreadful, I refused to carry it in the UK).
Yes please.
Říkáš SB acoustic jsou dobré ?
Dekuji za tvuj nazor a měření.
DCM image masters sounded great
You make my brain juices flow. My head is spinning so I've taken your advice and currently trying to review my next project. Yamaha ns-200 speakers with 2 poly caps (6.8uf/ 50v 2.8uf 160v)and 2 air coil (1.8mH and 0.5mH) Inductors. If you ever read this, please spread your wisdom. I scoped out, like for like components by Jantzen.
You can get good results swapping parts value for value and stepping up the quality levels.
Can be wrong, but the woofer looks like SB16PFCR-8 with plastic cage. Its a 30€ driver here in EU. Indeed easy to work with, 1mH and 15uF to get a nice roll off..Tweeter looks like SB29SDAC, retails for approx 40€…really nice to see low cost drivers preform!!!
Todays reasonable quality low cost drivers can do a lot when application is well done. From my own experience 🙂
No. the front woofer is either the SB17NRX (paper) or MFC (poly). What you're referring to is the passive radiator in the rear.
If the drivers are so cheap and the crossover and cabinet not made of gold or platinum, why the $2400.00 per pair price?
@@swinde try build one with your own hands then you will know....
@@swinde This is a small business not a factory product. Tyler isn't going to build them for free...
Glory, Glory, Man United!
I like that either he ir you put the voice coil centers in the same plane which I assume works on phase.
Maybe you always do it this way Danny and I've never noticed it - I wanted to see the response below the 200hz that you're showing in the frequency response graph. I'd like to have an idea where the Tyler starts running out of gas on the lower end. Regardless, thanks for introducing this fine speaker.
I will have to get much further away or back in an anechoic chamber to measure lower. Your -3db point is really more room related than anything, and with this speaker it will be high 40's to mid 50's.
Tyler may indeed make awesome speakers. I live in Nashville and gave them a call to see if I could drive up to Kentucky to give a listen.
Did not one to audition.Also, via the website all sales are final. That’s a big risk to take
SB Acoustics are my favourites followed by tang band, dayton audio is also quite nice for diy. Don´t judge them by it´s price.
I had some home made Tangband, they were really good, I gave them to my brother, he loves them
Hey, this speaker is not listed at the page of Tyler acoustic! Where do you find this system?
Tyler Acoustics is updating their site today. It will be live tomorrow.
Good question
I should see this video before to get my B&W Bookshelf 5.1 set 😳
I really want to buy a pair.
Why did you make the speaker baffles 'handed', with offset tweeter? Is it not possible to just use unequal distances between the top and side edges to manage tweeter dispersion and then avoid needing to make a Left and a Right speaker? Especially with the side edges rounded over with a large radius.
Question as a pair do both boxes come with the tweeter shifted to the right, or is there a right and left shifted tweeter? The reason for the question is time alignments and with of sound stage would change by the off axis tweeter.
I ask this becuse years of doing cars audio systems you learn cars have a sweet spot for tweeters and they are all different, also the futher you get them away from your ears the better they can sound, placement even with cheap speakers can give you better sounding outcomes. Just like distance from the listener in a room and the speaker and roo. Shape as well as distance from reflection walls or back walls.
A poorly laid out room can kill the sound or make it. This "any speaker" can sound different in x amout of different rooms. Its not just the speaker you hear
The room shape and size has a lot to do with it. Then the last most important key element the listeners ears.
The speakers are mirror imaged.
Wow!
Looks like the same technical methode with the passive radiator as the Marten Parkers duo but then much cheaper
Awesome
Any affordable speaker that you aren't involved with that is decent out of the box?
IMHO, your kit+flatpak is THE deal, in 2 way's.
How about a speaker right out of the box that you did NOT work on?
Here you go: ua-cam.com/video/jL91UyiAAh0/v-deo.html
What is the model name/Number of this speaker?
Awesome.
Looking great! Pity that they don't come to Australia!
I am sure Ty can send you a pair.
Are these hifi speakers for the home or absolute studio monitors? They call these "Timekeepers" studio monitors on the website.
A reference type home loudspeaker can be used as studio monitor and vice versa. If these are reference class studio monitors? Based on the drivers used most likely not, but most likely will be better than a lot of so called 'studio monitors', say KRK. Then the better Behringers might be just as good or better. As for being in the class of, say, Genelec which specializes in studio monitors, they are not - just like many others.
@@pliedtka Ok, because an actual studio monitor is not for home audio. A home audio speaker is made to sound good in a room and a studio speaker may sound flat and is used to easely pick up on faults in the music/mix. So i guess they won't be using those in proffesional studios.
When he said 2400 bucks. I thought it was going to be a piece , but then he said for the pair holy crap it's a good price.
A tad rich for my blood. Would be nice for a component kit with cabinet plans.
But what happens at lower frequency with that large bass/mid and huge ABR immediately behind ? Can’t you just imagine a sympathetic pumping action?!
Hey Danny, With the rear passive how far would you say it should be from the back wall? I am curious how far out in the room would be idea!
(I can't speak for Danny, however)
The PR only needs a few inches clearance.
The real challenge is avoiding SBIR cancelations while achieving great soundstage.
- Without sub support, ideally they need to be within 2' of the wall.
- With sub support, ideally they'll perform best no closer than 4' off the wall.
All that supposes little to no acoustic treatment.
@@FOH3663 all my systems speakers are atleast 3 foot away from the backwall or what some call the front wall lol . But Danny is correct Tyler accustics is the real deal ! Espically for pricepoint
@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
If they're within a few feet, they are most likely plagued with performance robbing SBIR.
I would put also Ascend Acoustics in this category also. They have their own upgradable parts for their own speakers.
They are not in this league.
@@dannyrichie9743 I would be careful with a generalized statement like that. Based on those freq response charts I would beg to differ. 45HZ on the low end with a 7inch woofer? The Ascend LX extends significantly lower than that with a 6inch woofer (significantly flatter FR, too) - at almost 40% less in cost. The Tyler cabs look good, though.
@@jerryg.3080 I know the speakers you mentioned. The parts quality, wiring, connectors, drivers, everything about these is really in a completely different league.
@@dannyrichie9743 If you look on the web-site under "upgrades" you can view the actual x-overs on the assembled boards, not just pieces parts. And also the specific drivers. So, yes, I'd say bass measurement down to 30HZ +/-3db (not 45HZ) puts them in a different league. A league above, not below.
@@jerryg.3080 Better take a closer look at that Ascend LX model. The actual measured response shows a -3db at 48Hz and a tuning frequency of 46Hz.
They also use this metal cone woofer with tons of break up: www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-7-woofers-seas/seas-prestige-l16rnx3-6-aluminum-cone-woofer-h1869-8-ohm/
No thanks on that woofer.
The SB Acoustics woofers used in the Tyler Acoustics model is MUCH better.
Also, check out the crossovers. Cheap poly caps and sand cast resistors... One of the coils looks like an iron core. They didn't even pay attention to the orientation of the coils.
Compared to the Tyler Acoustics model, that thing is garbage.
30 mins from my house ! Tyler accustics Owensboro Kentucky !
Did you help with the d4mx desighn danny ? They sold for around 1200US and i tell ya build quality was outstanding !! And his cabneits geez thier nice
Good speakers from Owensboro KY?
That little hick town
I'll be damn.
@@60zeller 😆 Build quality is very good for price point but Yeah lol
hi there
Great job on this. please also introduce a floorstanding example 🙏
Ty has me working on a floor standing version of it as well.
ua-cam.com/video/ojxu3QY8o9s/v-deo.html
great
I love my MM5X.
Like others, I too encountered Tyler Acoustics some time ago.
Cool stuff.
I've been intrigued ever since I saw that flagship, six-foot tall tower loaded with SEAS magnesium drivers.
Nice work on the SB two-way.
I suffered for a very long time with the SB17NRX2C35-8-UC driver (which plays VERY far and cannot be filtered with a simple filter), unfortunately - I had to stop at the 3rd order filter.
ya but how does it sound
I know how they sound, but I would really like it if you told me how they sound.
I want to see a aperion audio product, preferably the versus concert 3
If adding a subwoofer, at what point would you recommend to the crossover point to be? Have always been intrigued by SB Acoustic drivers and its great to see it so well implemented here.
My oppion, subs tend to get muddy above 60hz some can go to 80hz but I like to stay around 60hz ill also use my midbass at 60hz and up tweeters at 5k hz now I dont know if he would agree with this but if you play a speaker to its limits it starts to fall apart. So keeping it in its tolerances with a 18 db crossover helps support it better in my own oppion.
This is what I did in car audio and ive set up some dam nice sounding car systems doing it. At home my 12" sub in in a back conner firing at the wall its set at 60hz and not very loud its tight at this leval blends good with my tower speakers.
Becuse bass is omni directional it dosnt need to fire at you, I think it almost always sounds better reflected off somthing hard. You've got to use your ears to find what sounds good to you, I cant do that for you. My ears are different then yours. My life experiences have been different my age is different my ears have been subject to different sounds over the years. Its what sounds good to you. Anybody that tells you this is the best sound is feeding you bullshit.
And ill tell any speaker engineer that
The graphs and parameters dont really mean shit its what you hear.
Just use them as a starting point.
My crossover point is a good starting point for you to try, its what I know, you be the judge.
Did you forget to radius the top edge? It’s looks a similar distance from the top edge and the short side to the tweeter but there’s no wrinkles in the vertical FR. Does the side radiusing have much of an effect when the lack of doesn’t vertically? Is this a modern Take on the Spica with a contemporary🤔 take on crossovers?
Great content! Just a request to post phase and impulse data.
Nice! I was guessing 3000 until you said only 2400. Great deal!
Could not find on Tyler’s website.
tyleracoustics-com.myshopify.com/
Boy, their website is really rudimentary. No real descriptions or photo gallery. You can’t see what the various finishes look like. For a company that commands the sort of prices they ask, it needs a lot more work.
great stuff
Quick questio, which amp would you recommend with comparable great value?
Would be great if you could start including distortion and phase measurements as well
Would he know how to?
@@ericthemauve yes, definitely. Would just be a different window in CLIO. Wouldn't require additional measurements or anything like that
We talked about that very subject in a video a long time ago. ua-cam.com/video/YSWrT8Qk7Bc/v-deo.html
@@ericthemauve Distortion and phase are the real parameters that I look at when evaluating (and designing) speakers nowadays. On and off axis responses aren't difficult to achieve (as Danny has shown so many times with his redesigns)
There is no industry standard for distortion measurements and they are easily manipulated with output levels. Getting any meaningful data outside an anechoic chamber is iffy at best. It also has little to do with how a speaker really sounds. It could highlight a problem if there is one, but that is about it.
The phase relationship that matters can be seen in the sum of the response and in the vertical off axis.
The Usher Be-718 sure made an impression in 2008. Do all Be-718 had your magic crossover or just the ones sold in North America?
Just the ones sold in North America.
How good are SB Acoustics!
Excellent!
Forgive my naïveté. Not an audiophile by any stretch of the imagination. I keep seeing the word "monitor" in the description of a lot of the bookshelf speakers available today. Can these be used as an open room speaker in a 2 channel system? I'm planning to upgrade my present system after 20 years...Thx
Yes they can.
Great speaker overall, but they complete forgot to compensate for the baffle step which will give a too low level in the 100-500 region to be able to compete with the top speakers out there.
The step loss has been completely compensated for, and it is one of the top level speakers out there.
@@dannyrichie9743 At what distance do you make your measurements?
@@flex-cx9bi They are an industry standard 1 watt/1 meter using a gated time window.
That's beautiful, Danny. Now where to get $2,400.
Woops, $3,100 CAD = $2,100 USD. Darn
Super job.
A home run indeed.
So, what's the response 20-20? There's a pretty important segment missing. Also, that's one sizable hump at 16K.
The bottom end is flat and -3db in the upper 40's in most rooms. That little peak at 16kHz is super slight. No issues there.
Nice , Model Please. This just what I am looking for.