Pelicans Reporter On Detroit Pistons PBO Trajan Langdon | EP 115
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Via Wake Up Woodward featuring Matt Broder (credentialed WSN Lions+Tigers Reporter), Brandon @DetroitKoolAid Dent (credentialed WSN Pistons reporter), KG on sounds, JB in the TD booth and Flannel Sam
Rod Beard (Detroit News) and Brandon @DetroitKoolAid Dent (Woodward Sports Network) join WAKE UP WOODWARD to discuss the Detroit Pistons at the NBA Trade Deadline. Like , Subscribe and leave your comment below!
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Ausar's potential is through the roof, do not sleep on him!!!
Definitely not sleep on ausar. As I said in the clip, I LOVE AUSAR! Just needs to shoot better than 18.6% from three though
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If Ausar just becomes an average 3pt shooter in the next 1-2 seasons he become far more valuable than Brandon Ingram.
@@therockneverstops8261 I can agree with this. But he’s got to get those numbers up for real
I saw Ausar's potential when Jarrett Jack was coaching him.
Once Monty got a hold of him, his game hit Rock Bottom!
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He's a rookie bro... He's got the confidence and the work ethic, he'll get there. I see his trajectory like Jonathan Kuminga, but more skilled.
I’m taking Miles Bridges on the cheap vs that nonsense trade
Forreal. Forget the high character shit, give me toxic Ws
First, the Pistons can not trade their 1st round pick in 2026. Second, the trade sucks for the Pistons. Third, this is the first year for Langdon so why in the world would he be in a hurry?
He’d be in a hurry because the organizational mandate from the top down is to WIN.
Hypothetical trades are just that, hypothetical trades.
@WoodwardPistons so would you be good with the owner interfering with the PoBO (Trajan) on how he does his job from the start. How would this be any different than before hiring Trajan?
Also, how many wins are needed next season to be successful. Is it a necessity to get bent over in a trade to get to that win total or could the Pistons get there without giving the house for BI and then paying him a MAX contract the following offseason.
@@Keeb5terthe difference is would be no Arn Tellem or Ed stefanski in the middle muddying things up. The owner is always going to have mandates. It’s his prerogative since he paid hundreds of millions for the team.
@@Keeb5terI hate the Ingram trades.
Why would Gores hire a PoBO and allow him to eat Monty's massive contract if the plan is to tank for three more years?
Weaver and Monty can tank for three years without spending all that money.
Lanhdon is on a deadline.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 not making this trade does not mean the Pistons are tanking. C'mon dude, they can improve by signing FA's with their $64mil of cap space.
Ingram has averaged 54 games per season. I'm not giving up a ton to get him
I would not give that much for Ingram at $52M / year. I would sign Fontechio and use that money on a SG or a Center.
Koolaid, tell me again how Joe Dumars was responsible for drafting Killian Hayes 7 years after resigning/being fired from the Pistons.
Google this and find out yourself: “joe dumars killian hayes”
And it’s not his responsibility. He made the connection and put Killian on Pistons radar. Had Bynum training and working out with him. Bynum also relayed that info to the pistons regularly starting a year before weaver was hired. Weaver got hired a month before the draft during Covid. So the just studied player they had direct info on was Killian Hayes who was rated pretty highly by a lot of scouts/evaluators out there as well.
They got suckered
Before weaver was hired this interaction took place:
“I trained with Will all last summer, he came down to Orlando like a month ago, so we talked a lot about Detroit. He said it’s a hard-working city, so if I get drafted there, just make sure I bring my all every game.”
www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/11/19/killian-hayes-detroit-pistons-rebuild-nba-draft-2020/3774911001/
Bro the trade is invalid. The Pistons cannot trade their 2026 pick at all its owned by the Knicks. The first avaliable pick for the Pistons to out right trade is 2028 pick. Just because Detroit had a horrid season doesn't they should overpay for a player. 76ers don't have the talent on their team to trade. They dont have great draft capital so hiw will they outbit the Pistons in any trade scenario. Also considering the Pelicans they are still trying to compete. BI would be nice but panic moves or overpaying hasn't work out well for this franchise.
Technically they can trade both the ‘24 pick and ‘25 pick back to back as long as the ‘24 pick is made first, as in the night of, that’s the only way they can trade them one after another…
@@The11thOrder The 2026 pick would still be owned by the Knicks. Until it conveys or the protection are null and void. Sir so no you are wrong
CADE a great player, But he in fact doesn't make his team better yet and he isn't a clutch player yet. CADE also one of the top 25 worst defender in the NBA and is developing bad habits with turn over and etc. The main issues with why he not helping his team get better is the fact he isn't playing with the team due to his healthy issues for 3yrs. Team chemistry is built with playing together. We also need to get off the bandwagon of build around CADE. Let CADE + IVY keep developing, and build a team first and see if Cade can fit that team. If he is an elite player no matter who he is playing with he can help produce wins.
They also need to get rid of Monty, and his coaching staff. Monty offensive system is hindering this team and relies on one star player generating offense leading to no motion in the offense, so player just stand around waiting on cade to pass with limited time left to generate new plays.
Brandon Ingram health should be a huge concern for pistons, you can not keep bring player over and drafting players that are not staying healthy. The main reason we are losing, is 2yrs of our core players, young and old not being healthy to even play games, for majority of of the season. IF you sign Brandon I. you have a team of CADE, BI, DUREN, STEW, ASUAR, Fontecchio, all that do not stay healthy, Minus who ever you trade for Brandon I. IVEY is more valuable to this roster just on his healthy alone. No player is more valuable than a healthy player that can actually play games that = wins. Which IVEY has shown he can do.
The stats and metrics simply disagree with. It’s shown that Cade is being let down. Rusty’s why he’s always at the top of playmaking and shot creation for teammate metrics.
You literally can’t argue against that, no matter your opinion. Go look at the Cade and Simone footage of their time on the court together… amazing what an actual shooter can do…
I don’t care if Ingram only gives us 60 games a season. Most the leagues stars miss games. I care that for the majority of the season that pistons are fielding an actual nba level rotation which currently they aren’t.
Cade has been one of the best clutch players from his draft class and was top 10 in the entire nba in the clutch his rookie year when he had actual nba rotation level guys like Jerami Grant and Kelly Olynyk with him
@@WoodwardPistons What clutch games have CADE won? To be a clutch player you need to produce in clutch moments.
@@WoodwardPistons But you should care if Ingram and CADE can play together. If neither is healthy and never play together you still do not have a team and that doesn't = wins. You can not build a winning team with unhealthy player they will never build team chemistry.
I also disagree with nba level player. All the player on this roster made the NBA right or wrong. Skill set and play calling define a team, for multiple season we had bad coaching that had player standing at 3pt line waiting for their shot, and limited motion in the offense system. No player will thrive in those offensive system outside of the player that has the ball the majority of the time. You look at the team that are winning now they have player in motion the entire time on offense, cut to basket, back cuts, multiple pick to get player open. Where is this with pistons offense.
This show is exactly why I had to do videos on the Pistons. So much of these improvements are what the bad franchises do that keeps them bad. Giving up assets with an extremely high ceiling that supersedes and/ or matches the player being brought in is how people get fired in retrospect. Ingram has been injury prone in the past and if they don't make the playoffs by next season Ingram will walk for a better opportunity.
I’ve been reporting on this show since before this past season that Brandon Ingram and the Pelicans were a team to keep an eye on as a potential trade candidate with the Pistons.
Fast forward to end of season and voila…. Like magic it’s all the talk. My job is to report what I can with my direct access to the Pistons. And then give my opinion on it.
Like you can disagree with bringing Ingram here, but if I’m not properly disseminating the info and behind the scenes stuff that I can…. Then what would be the point of having the access?
Disagreeing on Ingram is ok. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong for me to report the Team’s interest in him since training camp.
@@WoodwardPistons Yeah, I believe Cade & Ingram would work well together.
My only concern is the coach & medical staff.
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I appreciate your work, it's why I've followed this show. I said at the beginning of the season that the expectations you placed on the outlook of the season was setting fans up for a HUGE disappointment. Narratives are powerful. 30-35 wins I believe you suggested, I looked at the injuries to veterans to start the season, being the youngest active team in the NBA, and zero continuity from the season before from the offensive pecking order to the coaching staff and I said there was NO-WAY they get 30+ wins. The NBA is more competitive than EVER and this team was not ready to compete. I think the narrative should have been "Wow, look at these young players! Imagine what they will be collectively in the next couple seasons?!"
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You are right that it isn't wrong to report what you are hearing. I think it's the narrative created from that informational interpretation. This team is incredibly talented and even if they go after Ingram and another piece or two their ceiling will still still be lower than what it would have been if these current pieces all develop.
Thats wayyyyyyyy to much for B.I
Very good episode having an individual who covers the Pelicans offer some insight into Langdon the executive. Seems like he is just coming in and wants to do his job without any hoopla and fanfare.
My concern is will he be able to operate without having to get approval from others in the front office🤔. Has he just been given a title or does he have unlimited authority to go along with that title without having others micromanage his decisions 🤷🏾♂️
If Weaver stays can fans please end the Killian Hayes failed draft pick 🤷🏾♂️ don’t care who or what individuals were responsible. The kid didn’t live up to expectations and he is gone. That pick isn’t why last year was the worst In Pistons history. I’ve been a fan since the days of Cobo Hall, seen this franchise go from the outhouse to the penthouse and in between to now being a laughing stock of the league. Time to turn this situation around not quick but in a hurry🤬
Need a couple of player in their prime, not necessarily superstars but good players..This team is too young….nobody talking about the bench players..empty the bench..
I'm not giving all that away for Brandon Ingram. He's always injured we don't need that. We underachieved last year. If we are trading our pick we stand pat and wait with the cards in our hand. Please don't be the first to throw out your hand.
Bruh what are y’all talking about you’d be doing the same thing we did with Blake griffin , that’s the problem with our fans no patience . When you build through draft it takes longer . It’s the coaching that’s the first problem because we won more games last year with a different coach , and we saw growth we did not this year ! Sign miles bridges , and/ or 0:43 Gary Trent jr or Malik monk . And continue to build
That’s your opinion. I don’t have to want to watch another year of degrading basketball from this once great franchise. They tanked and they got a collection of young talent. It is not time to love out of the gutter or Cade will leave. He not trying to be here through 5 more years of this BS if he signs the extension. I can assure you that. He wants to win.
@@WoodwardPistons I understand that bro and cades a winner I know but are trying to win more games or the championship?! We have to build the right way and not rush or we will be trash to MID FOREVER , we need guys on the same timeline as us , duren snd cade can be a dynamic duo still shooters around them too and we got us a formula
@@armontimuzic6785guys on the same timeline have been here! They’ve drafted in the lottery and took multiple players in the first round in 3 of weavers 4 years here.
At a certain point you have to start to have this thing evolve into the formula that resembles good teams. They need good vets. They need star level teammate or 2 for Cade. Even if we still believe in all the other young players.
And I love Duren, but he must improve defensively. The reason nic claxton is a hot name this FA isn’t because he’s necessarily better than Duren, but because his defense is supremely head and shoulders above Duren.
I want to believe in this young talent, but it won’t be helped without bringing in acquisitions that can help that cause and they can also help with the development of the young guys.
Even Dwane Casey would tell you that (he told me that directly).
@@WoodwardPistons but bro defense is effort. not skill you can’t teach the footwork rebounding and shades of play making ability from duren he’s literally in year 2?! We haven’t learned our lesson from giving up on players too early , khris Middleton, Spencer dinwiddle, ? etc . Luka and kyrie are both known as terrible defenders but now that they are 1 game away from the finals and have a chance to win they are putting more effort in on defense, we were losing a ton it
probably took a toll on duren because he used to block shots and every plus he was getting injured . Good coaches motivate players to play defense as well the problem isnt the roster although our roster has flaws the problem is CLEARLY. In my eyes the Coach. Because us pistons fans were excited about this year before it started because our young guys showed promise now everyone’s jumping ship , ivey needs to go but everyone else just develop and put pieces around them
@@WoodwardPistons I agree with the last statement bro about bringing in help that’s why we should look at players like miles bridges , Gary Trent jr. Or Malik monk we don’t need a MID LEVEL STAR like Ingram
Hahahahahha couldn't throw a rock in the ocean if there was a three point line in front of him. Laughing while I'm crying 🥲
Me too… 18.6% from three for ausar his rookie year. During exit interviews he said he knows he must be better
Press conference probably won’t happen until Troy or Monty is fired. Can’t have all of that smoke during a press conference.
@@scottwickett1273 I'm still hoping the press conference is after they hire Tim Conley and Bob Myers.
Trading for Brandon Ingram is a waste of time, from these fans all the way to organization the Pistons are looking like a franchise with no hope
Kellen Hayes is only 22 years old. That would mean that he was only about 11 or 12 years old in 2014 which was Dumars last year with the Pistons That's Bull Shit! Troy Weaver wanted Kellen Hayes and all of these young ass players!!
2019 is when JoeD/Pistons org had Bynum starting to scout and train Killian Hayes which was a year before the draft and a year before they hired troy weaver.
JoeD was hired by an agency in 2014 and the guy who eventually represented Killian joined that same agency. It’s how JoeD first found out about Killian and what led to him eventually scouting him and training him.
No one ever said their direct connection to Killian goes back to 2014, but 2019. Just so we’re clear.
Why would the Pistons listen to anything Joe Durmas had to say after they fired him. Tom Gores gave the keys to Stan Van Gundy to be the Head Coach and President of Basketball Operations from 2014-2018 and you guys think they listen to anything that Joe Dumas had to say?!! 🤣🤣🤣 PLEASE STOP GIVING TROY WEAVER A HALL PASS AND WANTING TO BLAME CASEY AND MONTY FOR A WEAK ASS TOO YOUNG AND NOT TALENTED ENOUGH ROSTER THAT TROY WEAVER PUT TOGETHER! WEAVER NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!
“It was during the pre-draft camp,” Bynum said of when they first met. “Jordan and Joe were telling me they had a kid from France who was young, 16 or 17, that was really, really good. I started to watch the film on him before he got to (Los Angeles), because we were working out in LA the last couple of years. I started watching the film on him, and I would get feedback on what I saw in the film. I saw a lot of good things.”
www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/08/09/detroit-piston-bynum-killian-hayes-nba-draft/3327098001/
I don't understand this fanbase. The pistons just had the worst season in franchise history, a historic 28 game losing streak, 5 year playoff drought and you have people on here acting as if this team is too good for BI. In most off-seasons BI would not be available on the open trade market or FA. This team desperately need someone who can take some of the scoring responsibilities off cade and BI can do that plus more as a facilitator.
I agree 100%
@scottwickett1273 you're a little too late for that pal.
@scottwickett1273 The Pistons are trying to win now and need a consistent scorer next to Cade. BI fit that description, and they have the cap space to make it work. This team has to be aggressive this off-season. This past season is a reflection of a team with poor coaching and not enough consistency from your core players. You don't want the young guys, especially Cade, getting used to losing.
Basically the team needs healthy talent that can contribute with Low turnovers and can shoot. Then the defense must be tailored for teams like the Magic, Pacers, Thunder, and Celtics/Bucks. I still give the benefit of the doubt to Troy for not compromising the Cap space and protecting the young core from injuries later in the season.
Joe D had nothing to do with us and neither did Bynum. That was during SVG era that Killian was working with Bynum.
It has been reported that Joe Dumars was the starting point for the Pistons relationship with Killian Hayes…
Are you saying that omari Sankofa of the free press is lying? and others on the Pistons beat are lying about that? I read directly from the free press.
@@WoodwardPistons I believe dots are being connected that shouldn't be. timelines don't come close to matching, Joe was neither employed by nor consulting with Pistons during that time and neither was Bynum, just because 2 ex-Pistons worked with Killian doesn't mean they were feeding the Pistons info that he should be drafted.
@@chilidaemon7113 yes they were. Google is free. I remember in the moment Bynum was working out with Hayes before weaver was hired. He gave literal quotes on the type of player Killian could be and how it’s been training with him. Sankofa put the JoeD links together and it’s published in the Detroit Free Press.
We (some at Woodward) knew Killian was the pick before weaver was hired. We all spoke on it around the office. It’s ok if you weren’t hip, but this has already been reported by multiple beat reporters.
I have it personally confirmed via a source with the org.
Like what do you think I’m doing here? I’m a credentialed Pistons beat reporter with direct organizational ties and sources.
I never understand why you all choose to argue, fight, dismiss the work. It’s borderline disrespectful for real. A brother can never get an honest assessment. Even if it’s published in black and white ink from the second longest tenured beat writer in omari Sankofa.
“He’s also working with an international player who the Pistons could be in position to draft this October. French point guard Killian Hayes, 19, widely projected to be a top-10 pick this fall, has been training with Bynum since last summer.”
www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/08/09/detroit-piston-bynum-killian-hayes-nba-draft/3327098001/
“ISE offers various services, including pre-draft training. Dumars brought Bynum into the fold as a trainer, continuing a relationship that started nearly a decade prior. It was Dumars who gave Bynum his second, and longest-lasting, NBA stint.”
I don't agree with all this bad talk about Asur.. his game is not offensive threat. He plays very good defense. He will get better at shooting.. when the Pistons who won championships.. we had great defensive minded players.. Dennis Rodman & Ben Wallace.. we're we screaming about them scoring !? No, get to know basketball. To have a real team we need players with different talents.. not everyone should be a scoring threat.. yall young'ins
Don't see the full picture most of the time !
There’s no bad talk about Ausar here. It’s true he wishes he could shoot better, it’s true he said during exit interviews he knows he must shoot better from behind the arc next season, it’s true he said he will work on it during this off season and it’s true he shot 18.6% from behind the arc.
We’re in a much different era of basketball than the ones Rodman and Wallace played in. Today’s league requires competent shooting.
I’m also on record as saying, I love Ausar’s game and that you can hide 1 non shooter in a modern nba lineup. But why not want to be at least a 25-30% three point shooter?
And I’ve played basketball in high school (all state), college (d2), pro-am, coached it, and run camps.
Just because we have different opinions doesn’t mean you know ball and I’m clueless. Why be disrespectful and dismissive in that manner?
By the way I led all of downriver in scoring and assist when I played.
If we drafting matas I feel like keep the 5th pick and trade wiseman Stewart Ivey possibly keep Ivey and trade ausar for a nice deal package
Maybe also get monk Miles bridges
Draft a vet min like Dwight to help duren and the team also mentally
Here’s the thing, build the team around Cade of course, Ivey/Ausar / Duren, keep them all but everyone else, get rid of especially Beef Stew, who’s not a starter . We need shooters, all this talk of getting rid of Ivey is foolishness. BI? I’m not trading the young fallas for him. Stew/pick 5 maybe Sasser/Wiseman whatever and I hope Trajan cleans house
Also, how do we even know that Arn Tellem is out here pulling the string? Was that ever reported anywhere?
Yes I reported it as have others. when troy weaver was hired the official word was that Troy would be the GM (without the PBO title) working in tandem with executive Arn Tellem and Ed Stefanski.
Arn has been here for some time now dating back to SVG era. Once SVG (the last PBO the Pistons had before Langdon) was fired, Arn assumed even more power assuming the responsibilities of the PBO without the title.
The same way Ed Stefanski assumed GM role after bowers/svg were fired and before troy weaver hired.
The PBO has the final say and GM defers to the PBO, which Arn was acting as despite not taking the title.
Mark Stein also reported that weaver wanted to keep Jerami Grant but that people above him in the hierarchy did not want to. So he was shipped out. And Arn Tellem client Bojan Bogdanovic was brought in.
Tom Gores also stated Arn plays/played a role and would continue to lead the front office even after Troy was hired.
And there’s a lot of dots that lead back to Tellem as it relates to the players the Pistons have brought in during the Weaver era including Bagley, Danilo, Bojan, Wiseman, Blake griffin, even Andre Drummond getting the max (Tellems son works for Dre’s agency), drafting srvyidas (was Tellems sons first nba player he represented as an agent directly.)
There’s so much more I could list as well.
I’ll let you draw your conclusion.
Via Detroit News:
Gores’ strategy for rebuilding the front office two years ago was built on collaboration between the key big pieces: Stefanski, vice chairman Arn Tellem, Casey and their direct reports.
When Gores targeted Weaver, it was with the understanding that he would fit within the existing structure and utilize the experience and feedback from the key stakeholders. Weaver brings the eye for talent, but working with the other key pieces helps to solidify everything and ensure everyone is going in the same direction.
www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/06/26/tom-gores-troy-weaver-mesh-detroit-pistons-front-office/3257553001/
More via Detroit News:
“He’s going to get on the ground and know each player well and connect with (Casey) and so on and then as it bubbles up to ownership, Arn and I - if there's big decisions that need to be made - we’ll all gather.”
Tellem has a keen sense of the NBA landscape because of his experience as a former super-agent. His connections have benefited the Pistons in some deals, including getting Derrick Rose, who cited the relationship with Tellem as one of the reasons he chose the Pistons last summer in free agency.
Although Tellem runs the team’s business operations, he wears multiple hats, including representing the Pistons on the NBA’s Board of Governors and consulting on some of the major basketball decisions.
Trade Stewart and 5th pick and other draft compensation for Capela and Hunter! Sign Naja Marshall! All 3 three players are above on average defense Hunter and Marshall shoot 38% from three! Capela can mentor Duren! Capela is on expiring contract! Adds flexibility for next off- season! All three players are from play-in teams and can help us get there! Doing this will give us a little more time to see if our young players have improved and we make that decision by the trade deadline!
Stew is the best player mentioned in your post. And he shoots 38% from three.
Trading pick five for Capella and Hunter is like saying this pick has very little value... Which might be true. But there is no need to throw in Stew.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 I stand corrected Stewart is improving each year! I would like to get a defensive center ,that Duren can learn something from and Hunter when healthy is a better defender than what we have other Stewart and Thompson! 5th pick and cap filler should be enough to aquire those guys! We really do need another scoring threat!
Ivy, stew or duren and this year's pick. Ausar is more efficient in the paint than ivy and way better defender.
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Cade and ivey not work ? Maybe its the coah. Would someone else make it work? Why give up. It's not like he did a great job last season. Fetch a new coach
Sign monk. Sign miles bridges. Trade Isaiah Stewart and pick 5 for Ingram. Duren. Bridges. Ingram. Monk. Cade.
That would be nice
Keep 5th