You've put together a really solid "how to build your first high power rocket" video. I see this as being a fantastic resource for anyone wanting to get into high power rocketry.
I normally don't type anything in yt comments but I wish to say xyla thank you for always being so educational, is always a joy watching you. you're such a inspiration to me especially learning about your past and seeing you overcome them all ;; hope you are doing okay in the middle of the la/cal fire
As an experienced boat builder as well as many other building things, this is an excellent tutorial. The bit about how to use the caulking gun was excellent. Lots of little details that many tutorials leave out.
Nice job! LOC Precision really should use your video for pretty much "how to build a LOC" rocket! Just wish they'd get rid of those non-forged eyebolts!
At 25 min you talk about the mixing ratio but if i'm not mistaken because you strike away the 4 you are getting an 6:1 ratio since you have the 4 parts plus the two parts for the resin. Epoxy will harden with not enough resin but the hardness and cure time will be different.
You are not mistaken at all. The mixing cup was used wrong and the effective ratio was 6:1. Almost-assuredly it had an unexpectedly-long pot life and didn't kick as quick as it normally would.
just started this video. sure hope it is in details and not all fast foreward lol.. you get this stuff done in like 3 days. been workig on mine 3 months lol.. not many seem to like to help.
Something that saves a great amount of time and frustration, buy fiberglass sock. I used it years ago to glass the cardboard and phenolic tubes. It will stretch quite a bit and you don’t have to worry about the line. If you are interested, I’ll try and look up where I previously purchased. Just totally eliminates the problem with the seam and seems much stronger
build one without a kit or store-bought major parts,like the NC. my first Large Model Rocket was built from scratch,flown on a G-64,but it would have worked with a 29mm H or I motor too. NC was made from brown paper bags,glue and fiberglass,same for the engine tube. body tube was Xmas paper tube,fiberglassed. Heck,today,you've got 3D printers to make nosecones. I did use a sim program to predict stability of my design.
That's a lot more energetic than I would have expected, solely based on my experience many years ago of firing black powder pistols. They'd go off with a big boom, but the balls didn't really fly all that far.
The black powder charge is only to separate the nose cone and deploy the parachute. The rocket motor is a solid rocket fuel grain pre-cast into a motor housing that has a lot more energy and a lot slower burn rate. The way the motor is built, once the majority of the propellent is burned up, it ignites a fuse built into the top of the motor casing that has a delay time (which is what she was adjusting by drilling/removing part of it) that then ignites the black powder and gives a great big burst of air to pop the parachute, nose cone, and tether out the front of the rocket body.
Back in the time of the way back, when Bill Colburn was still "young", I invented a kind of deployment burrito that could be used for two-stage recovery. The burrito had holes along the edge that you could "lace" with a piece of fishing line. The main deployment charge would un-lace the burrito, and the parachute would deploy out of it. I made a few sizes back in the day and gave them away to my friends. I'd managed to convince a company that made Nomex to give me a large enough sample to do my experiments with. I'm not sure if the tech "carried on", because I pretty-much had to leave HPR around 2009, when my life kinda got torn asunder.
Years ago I found a video of some individual designing and fabricating an oversized model of a Nike Hercules missile Including the launch. I think it was maybe 1/2 to 1/3 scale. I don't recall if it was a two-stage unit like the real Nike was or single. Unfortunately, I've never been able to find that video ever again.
curious - why cut the rear of the fin slots on the body tube instead of installing the fins *through* the slots? I suppose it doesnt really matter, i've just never done it that way.
i watch to many videos on the recovery system and now I'm lost. so many set it up so many different ways using swivels and Kevlar and this and that. what size ounce is the fiberglass? and why fiberglass it and not just buy fiberglass tubes or is it a price thing? and do you have to sand the fins like that if one wants it to go low and slow?
30:37 Acetone can hurt your skin and the fumes your lungs. 9% pickling vinegar (acetic acid solution) is not a bad substitute cleaner. It's not as quick, so a more liberal amount is needed, but (IMHO) is less likely to irritate.
FYI, the auto-dub or auto-translate feature for the audio track sucks massive balls. I personally would prefer if creators wouldn't use that feature until UA-cam fixes how it delivers the audio streams to its viewers. Right now it's opt-out, which means we non-english viewers have to endure that soulless robot voice for several anguishing seconds until we are able to navigate to the audio track selection and switch to the original audio. In YT shorts, we can't even do that, we only get the robot voice. It doesn't affect english speaking viewers, that's why I guess nobody ever mentions it. But I highly encourage you to look into or test how awful it sounds and decide for yourself if that really is what you want your non-english viewers to be subjected to by default.
depends on how powerful a motor you use. say 2000-5000 ft. trouble is,the higher they go,the farther you have to trek to retrieve them,unless the winds are in your favor.
You should review your mixing cup instructions again. You wanted 2:1 and used the 4:2:1 section. Ignoring the 4 and just using the 2:1 markings actually gave you a 6:1 ratio. What you should have done is ignore the 1 and used the 4:2 section because 4:2 = 2:1.
You go to a club that is launching them - NAR and Tripoli have all the clubs listed. Then you work with the club members, someone to mentor. And many have vendors on site that you can buy from - usually at the bigger launches
OK, can I just say, if you are spending all that money to buy the kit, the rocket motor, the appoxy, paying the travel costs to get to your launch location and any other fees on top of that....... please don't cheap out by not buying a couple of clamps to help you hold stuff in place while it's glueing. £30 isn't that much extra after spending what you have on the rest of the rocket, and you get to keep them afterwards for the other builds you do for the rest of your life! I'm just realising that I might have a clamp problem 😅😅😅
Great video, however, if you spill epoxy on your skin, do not use acetone to remove it. Your body will absorb the acetone and the epoxy through your skin, both of which are toxic. This is why you wear gloves when working with epoxy, Remove as much of the epoxy as possible with a rag, then use some type of pumice hand cleaner. Epoxy fumes are not very toxic, but contact with your skin is very toxic.
I've never folded a hotdog, nor a hotdog bun. I have unfolded a hotdog bun, though. You should say, "fold it like a taco." Especially if you are going to "burrito" the chute. Wearing a mask is important, but you also need to vacuum away all the dust prior to removing the mask. Take the cured epoxy from the mixing cup and add it to the nose cone as well. Better than sending it off to the landfill.
Trust that Xyla knows what she's doing here. Remember that these instructions are intended for people who have never built rockets before and are seeking to get their certs. When you're new, it's better to over-engineer the rocket and have stronger holds that are less prone to breaking upon landing, and the extra weight will slow the rocket down, again assisting in ensuring the rocket comes through intact. Once people have certs, are looking to make their rocket faster, and have a better sense of how to ensure strong holds with less adhesive, then they can start working to reduce weight.
The best cert rockets fly low and slow. Remember if any little thing happens to that rocket, or it flies too high and then drifts too far you can't find it, you don't cert. No one should be trying to break speed or altitude record on their L1 flight
I just texted my wife and said I want to build a rocket. She said "You must be watching that rocket lady again."
i feel like xyla would be honored to be known as the "rocket lady" in your household lol
As an RSO, Miss Fire is one of the best rocket names I've seen! 🚀
You've put together a really solid "how to build your first high power rocket" video. I see this as being a fantastic resource for anyone wanting to get into high power rocketry.
I can't wait to see how many of these show up at our club this year! Thank you for the great instructions!
Thank you for doing this, so I don't have to!
I did model rockets as a kid. Fun to watch y'all do this for fun!
Definitely my fav video of yours! Watched a few minutes, got hooked, watched till the end
I normally don't type anything in yt comments but I wish to say
xyla thank you for always being so educational, is always a joy watching you. you're such a inspiration to me especially learning about your past and seeing you overcome them all ;;
hope you are doing okay in the middle of the la/cal fire
My daughter and I just ordered our kit the other day! Looking forward to getting started :)
As an experienced boat builder as well as many other building things, this is an excellent tutorial. The bit about how to use the caulking gun was excellent. Lots of little details that many tutorials leave out.
This seems so simple and easy to do and looks like a lot of fun and going to a launch party is a good way to spend a day.
low, slow rockets also have their own fun charm and spectacle apart from being easy cert flights, especially with nice black smokey engines.
Hello Xyla! I'm from Brazil and I love watching your videos, they're really good. Bye...
Your videos always brighten my day!
Very nice video Xyla! You have always been an educator and you’ve taken it to a whole new level with this one.
Beautiful work
Xyla, it's great to see new content. Hope you had a great Christmas and New Years.
Perfect! My rocket is on back order. Glad I can get some of the planning laid out ahead of time!
Fun fact: Xyla is building secretly her own fighter jet and these are the rockets missiles for it... planning to expand her empire again...
I for one welcome xyla as my overlord
Ok reddit
Nice job! LOC Precision really should use your video for pretty much "how to build a LOC" rocket! Just wish they'd get rid of those non-forged eyebolts!
Thank you for the video! Was a great help
At 25 min you talk about the mixing ratio but if i'm not mistaken because you strike away the 4 you are getting an 6:1 ratio since you have the 4 parts plus the two parts for the resin. Epoxy will harden with not enough resin but the hardness and cure time will be different.
You are not mistaken at all. The mixing cup was used wrong and the effective ratio was 6:1. Almost-assuredly it had an unexpectedly-long pot life and didn't kick as quick as it normally would.
@@CargoPile I almost always mix by weight, which is also more precise but not necessarily.
Amazing work, thank you for all you're doing!
Great video, great job!
1:50 sanding the laser burn away is a good idea. I have seen fins come loose, leaving the burnt carbon behind.
just started this video. sure hope it is in details and not all fast foreward lol.. you get this stuff done in like 3 days. been workig on mine 3 months lol.. not many seem to like to help.
Great video! I like to spray my gloved finger with alcohol when smoothing out the epoxy...
And now I'm eager to start flying rockets! 🙂
Thank you Xyla for the walk thru..
Very well explained professional professor ur awesome 👌 👏 ❤
Something that saves a great amount of time and frustration, buy fiberglass sock. I used it years ago to glass the cardboard and phenolic tubes. It will stretch quite a bit and you don’t have to worry about the line. If you are interested, I’ll try and look up where I previously purchased. Just totally eliminates the problem with the seam and seems much stronger
Soller Composites
38:42 Cut, not selvage edge as preferred earlier.
I did notice that a few rows of cross weave have been removed.
Full build time lets go!
Ahhh I got it for Christmas, can’t wait for my L1
Wahoo! I can't wait to see it fly!
build one without a kit or store-bought major parts,like the NC. my first Large Model Rocket was built from scratch,flown on a G-64,but it would have worked with a 29mm H or I motor too. NC was made from brown paper bags,glue and fiberglass,same for the engine tube. body tube was Xmas paper tube,fiberglassed. Heck,today,you've got 3D printers to make nosecones.
I did use a sim program to predict stability of my design.
Bob Ross of Rockets, Xyla Rocket. ;)
I am so jealous of the YSA having all those nice phenolic resin body tubes.
The companies here give subpar tubes.
Thanks Girl
My favorite song is 27 minutes long (The Gates of Delirium by Yes). Have to use my second favorite (Going Down by Joe Bonamossa).
That's a lot more energetic than I would have expected, solely based on my experience many years ago of firing black powder pistols. They'd go off with a big boom, but the balls didn't really fly all that far.
The black powder charge is only to separate the nose cone and deploy the parachute. The rocket motor is a solid rocket fuel grain pre-cast into a motor housing that has a lot more energy and a lot slower burn rate. The way the motor is built, once the majority of the propellent is burned up, it ignites a fuse built into the top of the motor casing that has a delay time (which is what she was adjusting by drilling/removing part of it) that then ignites the black powder and gives a great big burst of air to pop the parachute, nose cone, and tether out the front of the rocket body.
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Back in the time of the way back, when Bill Colburn was still "young", I invented a kind of deployment burrito that could be used for two-stage recovery. The burrito had holes along the edge that you could "lace" with a piece of fishing line. The main deployment charge would un-lace the burrito, and the parachute would deploy out of it. I made a few sizes back in the day and gave them away to my friends. I'd managed to convince a company that made Nomex to give me a large enough sample to do my experiments with. I'm not sure if the tech "carried on", because I pretty-much had to leave HPR around 2009, when my life kinda got torn asunder.
congrats on the 10th L1.. hope you sell a few thousand of those.
Make sure you are using solvent resistant gloves! Acetone can melt some cheapo rubber gloves.
Years ago I found a video of some individual designing and fabricating an oversized model of a Nike Hercules missile Including the launch. I think it was maybe 1/2 to 1/3 scale. I don't recall if it was a two-stage unit like the real Nike was or single. Unfortunately, I've never been able to find that video ever again.
Oh! And the Scotchcast casting tape is fully cured and as hard as a rock in 30 minutes.
curious - why cut the rear of the fin slots on the body tube instead of installing the fins *through* the slots? I suppose it doesnt really matter, i've just never done it that way.
Unfortunately my favorite song is Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Iron Maiden. 13:39. Dang, I'm going to be tired after mixing.
Xyla! You should warn people about thermal runaway with epoxy! dont want to melt your nose cone!
I enjoy watching your means and methods with various materials ❤
I still am waiting for the second flying video back home across the US.
The 'sanding' drinking game is insane.
In France we call that rail a 20x20, not a 10x10.
well i must have to get one now to just build it
Do you think it would be a good idea to put a dummy eyebolt in the top to imbrove balance?
i watch to many videos on the recovery system and now I'm lost.
so many set it up so many different ways using swivels and Kevlar and this and that.
what size ounce is the fiberglass?
and why fiberglass it and not just buy fiberglass tubes or is it a price thing?
and do you have to sand the fins like that if one wants it to go low and slow?
30:37 Acetone can hurt your skin and the fumes your lungs.
9% pickling vinegar (acetic acid solution) is not a bad substitute cleaner. It's not as quick, so a more liberal amount is needed, but (IMHO) is less likely to irritate.
I've mastered about half of the steps -- the ones that are "wait 4 hours for the epoxy to cure" :)
this reminds me I need to finish the paper tiger
How do you know how much epoxy to pour into the nose cone? Did you weigh it before?
I remember the esties (sp?) Kits as a kid... think i only ever lost one.
I just love the hair on your arms. Just the way they react when the light hits them.
Did I miss a bit? What blows the nose cone off? Unless it gets pushed off then it's tight enough to just sit there?
If it's like the small motors there's an explosive charge in the end of rocket motor that blasts the chute out.
@@ucitymetalhead aaaahhhhhhrr TY
Failed on first try, will now try my v2, greetings from germany
🤣🤣🤣
Let's see rubber gloves check, epoxy check, she's turning into the next crafsman steady craftin'.
FYI, the auto-dub or auto-translate feature for the audio track sucks massive balls. I personally would prefer if creators wouldn't use that feature until UA-cam fixes how it delivers the audio streams to its viewers.
Right now it's opt-out, which means we non-english viewers have to endure that soulless robot voice for several anguishing seconds until we are able to navigate to the audio track selection and switch to the original audio.
In YT shorts, we can't even do that, we only get the robot voice.
It doesn't affect english speaking viewers, that's why I guess nobody ever mentions it. But I highly encourage you to look into or test how awful it sounds and decide for yourself if that really is what you want your non-english viewers to be subjected to by default.
Ditto rail buttons
How long should we wait for the epoxy to cure? 🤔
As I was watching this ,I just thought how cool would it be if you carbon fibered a rocket like your Ironman helmet
Why does the animated screensaver (LED sign?) in the background show the total boat logo, but saying "Botal Toat" ? :D
Running joke that started with her spoonerizing the company's name in an early video
Question. How high does these kinds of rockets go?
depends on how powerful a motor you use. say 2000-5000 ft.
trouble is,the higher they go,the farther you have to trek to retrieve them,unless the winds are in your favor.
L1 cert more stringent than commercial orbital rockets
I have flashbacks of Estes educational materials from the 80's. Do you know how hard it was to follow hand drawn and badly photocopied instructions?
"Wait, Xyla is launching a L1 cert flight _why_? Ah, for educational purposes. Of course."
hey~!
what if your favorite song is "in a gadda da vida"?
👍
Mis(s )fire sounds like an April fools title 😂
I wonder what they Aliens would think if they scene a "Pink Rocket" flying their way? Dean( Soul)
Unfortunately on this side of the pond it is not possible to do such things.
Even kites are somehow illegal.
:(
And to think that I used to make rocket cars with D motors in them. I could have used one of those motors. 😵👍
You should review your mixing cup instructions again. You wanted 2:1 and used the 4:2:1 section. Ignoring the 4 and just using the 2:1 markings actually gave you a 6:1 ratio. What you should have done is ignore the 1 and used the 4:2 section because 4:2 = 2:1.
I noticed that too
🧡💪🧡💪🧡💪🧡💪🧡
How did that song go?
Take your parachute and fold
Chicken or egg here... How do you certify a flown and recovered rocket if you can't buy the motor that launches it? Seems like a gate keeping thing.
You go to a club that is launching them - NAR and Tripoli have all the clubs listed. Then you work with the club members, someone to mentor. And many have vendors on site that you can buy from - usually at the bigger launches
i wonder what the British government would think of me trying to build this?? hahahaa :P
you can build it,you just can't get the rocket motors without being part of an organzation.
You should build a rocket powered car
OK, can I just say, if you are spending all that money to buy the kit, the rocket motor, the appoxy, paying the travel costs to get to your launch location and any other fees on top of that....... please don't cheap out by not buying a couple of clamps to help you hold stuff in place while it's glueing. £30 isn't that much extra after spending what you have on the rest of the rocket, and you get to keep them afterwards for the other builds you do for the rest of your life! I'm just realising that I might have a clamp problem 😅😅😅
And buy a forged eyebolt! :|
no interest in rockets just a massive crush on the teacher :)
Heeey, a video from the foxly lady!
Is the blue painters tape holding together the parachute lines not considered littering? I can't imagine those stay attached after chute deployment.
Great video, however, if you spill epoxy on your skin, do not use acetone to remove it. Your body will absorb the acetone and the epoxy through your skin, both of which are toxic. This is why you wear gloves when working with epoxy, Remove as much of the epoxy as possible with a rag, then use some type of pumice hand cleaner. Epoxy fumes are not very toxic, but contact with your skin is very toxic.
Apparently people who listen to Prog rock don’t use 24 minute songs to mix their epoxy.
I've never folded a hotdog, nor a hotdog bun. I have unfolded a hotdog bun, though. You should say, "fold it like a taco." Especially if you are going to "burrito" the chute.
Wearing a mask is important, but you also need to vacuum away all the dust prior to removing the mask.
Take the cured epoxy from the mixing cup and add it to the nose cone as well. Better than sending it off to the landfill.
2nd comment. Can’t wait to watch Xyla. More content please. 😊
What a cool video. It's interesting how when you end most sentences, you trail off to "laryngitis growl". Do you have a cold?
They are official called poopsicles now! :D (I wonder if there is a hashtag like this but I am to afraid to take a look)
Wow 40 sec!
That looks so great and now I'm a little bit jealous that you can't just build a rocket in Germany and launch it somewhere in the desert
You can just build a rocket and launch it on one of the dedicated launch-sites.
Am I alone in thinking Xyla is adorable?
Great work but using WAY to much epoxy. Save all the weight you can.
Trust that Xyla knows what she's doing here. Remember that these instructions are intended for people who have never built rockets before and are seeking to get their certs. When you're new, it's better to over-engineer the rocket and have stronger holds that are less prone to breaking upon landing, and the extra weight will slow the rocket down, again assisting in ensuring the rocket comes through intact. Once people have certs, are looking to make their rocket faster, and have a better sense of how to ensure strong holds with less adhesive, then they can start working to reduce weight.
The best cert rockets fly low and slow. Remember if any little thing happens to that rocket, or it flies too high and then drifts too far you can't find it, you don't cert. No one should be trying to break speed or altitude record on their L1 flight
Long live long form content ❤ more of these hour long build episodes please, even if they are a bit more casual/unscripted