All You Need To Know About Rear Control Arms On A Audi TT Mk1
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2020
- All You Need To Know About Rear Control Arms On A Audi TT Mk1
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Genuine Arms Part no:
Stock arms on most TT's dated later than 1999 use the part number
1J0 505 323 L - top and bottom ( £60-70 each for lemforder one )
Axle Bushes - 1J0 505 203 - Later all rubber construction.
arm bushes - come as part of the arm
some may have slightly different arms so check with vendor before ordering, if you are getting a pair of adjustable arms then the part number above is fine
My go to Arms
Best value for money - Project Silver arms
ebay.us/VuSZul
KW arms adjustable :
ebay.us/ox5OOu
Aftermarket arm bushes
Power flex - PFR3-510 Price is roughly £102
On Amazon prime - amzn.to/36WBNCM
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Please note that all videos are as a guide on how we would approach this restoration, please take care when doing it for yourself, we take no responsibility for any work you undertake yourself
Hope you have found this helpful; any questions drop them in the comments below.
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Explained it perfectly :)
If you see how my 19 year old Greek TT underside is compared to yours you'll weep . Salty roads=disaster on cars
Thanks buddy, yeah it’s a killer, would love it to have been mint underneath but it will be again one day
Just had mines powder coated and poly bushed. Had been off my s3 for a while and I definitely had a seized bush when putting them back on, made the job a lot for difficult and time consuming. New outer bushes have been purchased and will be put in when the car is back on the road. Thanks for the video 👍🏼
Thanks for the comment buddy, at least you realised that the outer bush is bad, I’ve heard many say they didn’t and the arms go again. Scary really
my car lived it’s life in california, then under carriage is mint 💪🏻
Mike Hunt super jealous!
My car lived it's life in San Francisco, the suspension is not Mint 🤪
Thomas moorez 😂
Thomas moorez 😂 @ my bushing and hubs 💀
Imagine having one that's lived its life in Norway ☹️🌨 🥶
Hello from Norway, just bought my first TT project.
Just wanna say , i like your way of explaining/sharing your knowledge and your researching on the TT. This helps me MAX. Thx mate.
Ps keep up the good work, im far from done whit my project 😅
Thank you, appreciate the comment. Plenty of videos on the channel to keep you busy for many many months of Sunday afternoon tinkering 😎
Great video as always mate.. thankyou...
Thanks Simon appreciate the comment 👌🏻
Another brilliant video. Thanks!
Thanks lads
Thanks, yeah next week i am going and read the codes. Hopefully IT Will not be something too expensive...
A friend of mines had the Silverproject arms on his TT for 5 years abused on track days. Another good set of arms.
Not seen those before but great shout, also I think kw do a set and so do forge but they are double the price of cbauto ones so it’s one of those. Thanks for comment buddy
awesome video... BUSH-INGS!... that is all. lol.
.. really do love your content man keep it coming
Thanks Bobby appreciate it 🤙🏻
good job mate , looking good ..
roderick mchardy thanks buddy
just happened today😭 didn’t notice anything just pulled up to a stop light. and pop. i looked back out the door and oh shit 🙃 thank you for being the tt god we need
At least it was not whilst driving at speed, you now know what to check and fix it knowing it won't happen again
@@TheParrottBros right?! i got the rears and fronts ordered. i have bent my passenger front when my hub nut failed. so figured going all around will be best.
@@kilstromkhrono8949 just make sure they check the rose joints are not seized as often the culprit
Everytime I see photos or shots of the under body of cars in the UK, I'm shocked at the rust, corrosion & crud 😶. Like the guy from SoCal, my 19 yo high mileage TT is clean as a whistle underneath. Regarding the topic of this video, after putting coilovers on my TT the rear wheel camber was out big time, scrubbing my rear tyres. I bought a very strong and engineered set of adjustable control arms which sorted out that issue. They are stronger than OEM and are a pretty blue colour to boot 🤔
Loving these vids on a quattro TT most how tos are on fwd models so pretty useless as a reference. Keep up the great and informative videos 👍
Thanks for the comment buddy, yeah in the UK there are probably more quattros than fwd, in America it’s the other way round. 👍🏻
Great video 👍
The problem is very familiar. In my TT the lower control arm snapped twice before i realized the bush (ball bearing) was seized..
Luckily both times was in low speed.
timomx 22 that’s what I was hoping that people watching would see and understand. If I can increase awareness hopefully it will stop others from having similar issues
My snapped at 50mph when cornering. Wasn't actually anyhow severe situation. ESP kept the line...
You have just saved me, i was just about to purchase the eBay Control arms, i did look at them and thought they looked light...
Neville Carpenter the look good but will last very little time and could be considered as dangerous. Glad your a viewer :)
had my adjustables for years
My god, I am just now restoring a TT MK1 3.2 that got a bad 'remark' on the rust on the control arms, hence it needed some rust removal care and bodypainting, looking at these in this video, my god, those are just done, all in all, everything looks like it is just rusted up, this is 70% worse then the car I am working on, good you are taking care of this car now :) Thanks by the way, will subscribe to your channel, gg //PP
Welcome aboard 👌🏻. Yeah UK / Scottish cars can be a right mess, usually the biggest issues are the rose joints if they are still fitted. Besides that it’s often just surface rust that looks unsightly more than anything 😂. Any thing you want to know just shoot me an email. Address in description
Wow, that thing is horrible underneath. I did all the mods you discussed on my TT last year with adjustable arms and polybushed. Its a great upgrade. Rear is planted now when hard on it. Full set of BC coil overs probably helped too though lol. These cars can be made to handle extremely well . Good video .
Thanks for the comment, yes it is disgusting underneath isn’t it, that’s the fun of rescuing a car with nearly 200,000 miles on it 😂. I reckon at some point it live near the seaside. That’s why I did not bother trying to refurbish what was there and just got new everything off a low miles car
@@TheParrottBros Wasn't being rude, I didn't realize it was your car. My thoughts were the same - looks like it has lived near the coast or in a very wet region. Rest of it looks good to be fair - i like the colour.
The best channel on UA-cam for TT related material
Thanks for the kind words Mr Wang
Ronals ✌🏾💯
Great video. The channel is really building up nicely
Thanks buddy, yeah the lockdown is certainly drawing people to the channel, al this spare time they are fixing up their cars
There were some issues with an early production batch of rose joints which to address Audi revised/improved the rose joint - providing a repair kit with the revised rose joints and four arms of the same length - and they continued in production. Replacing the rose joints with a bonded rubber bush circa 2003 wasn't to address failing rose joints specifically.
Having no free articulation the bonded rubber bushes could introduce torsional stressess on already fatigued/corroded arms - especially if the cars lowered without adjusting/neutralising the tension on the bush or correcting the camber (not using adjustable arms).
Great information David appreciate it
Can't wait to see the rear subframe restoration
I’ll be sure to do a comparison from old to new. It’s unbelievable haha
@@TheParrottBros I'm looking to start a full underside restoration soon on mine aswell, I also managed to find a V6 Front Bumper that needs a tiny bit of work for an unbelievable price
Jealous! Love the look of the v6 bumper. I like the idea of having all the mechanicals mint and the body looking its age. Then when someone try’s it on the tarmac they will get a nice surprise haha
Great vid... Just saw my new arms installed today when changing haldex oil. And yep, my car is famous now lol
Vit Adamek internet famous :) thanks for the pics 👍🏻. Glad to know you’ve got it sorted
@@TheParrottBros Was broadcasting live on forum today, if I haven't I would have driven away thinking that I've replaced the right oil. Silly me did not know that the oil leaked from differential when the arm snapped as when I tried to reverse the axle popped out and some oil was lost (and when it was bouncing on recovery truck). New oil for the rear diff is due to be delivered tomorrow so hopefully back on the road tomorrow, the power of amazon prime and nearby warehouse lol :-)
Vit Adamek yeah the forum is super helpful for sure. Amazon prime has got me
Out of some problems before. Be nice to get it back on the road
@@TheParrottBros Next up for me is finishing sound deadening door cards/trims after speaker upgrade. Both front hubs and bearing will be changed - that will be all 4 of them done. Very tempted to retrofit the cruise control too. And sorting rust on body and under sills in summer :-)
I need to retrofit the cruise control on mine, I’m desperate that’s the only thing I miss having lol
Very nice, what speaker brand have you gone for?
Audi seem to love a wheel bearing not sure why but I have had to change one on the TT already, and my last S4 had two as well
That looks familiar. 🤔😉. Great vid mate!
Thanks buddy 😂
The Parrott Bro’s I like the way your arms adjust better just in the center. Mine adjust at both ends.
That underside low key looks like a relic from Roman times but the car is beautiful all joking aside
Unfortunately most 20 year old cars in the uk don’t look brilliant underneath 😅😅
Watching this vid again😂🤜🏼🤛🏼🇦🇺🍀😎
Always good to refresh your knowledge even I do it from time to time 😂😂
Mate, great video, cheers to that! Just one thing: you keep talking about how the rear wheels should sit vertical after adjusting the control arms. That's not how suspension geometry works! You're right about the point that you want as much rubber on the ground as possible for good grip - but that is: under load! When you're going through a corner, the suspension travels and your wheels will deform. There's a good reason why all (!) modern performance cars have some degree of negative camber. On the TT mk1 facelift model (from 2002), the rear camber is around 2.5° stock. It would be very unwise to reduce that to 0, it would greatly worsen corner handling and rear stability.
Thank you for your comment, I should’ve added the fact that you need to get your car set up by a hunters or four wheel alignment centre after fitting the arms,
On my vehicle just by lowering it on springs I have introduced nearly 3° of negative camber which means it’s nearly 5° away from where it should be if you’re saying it’s 2.5° positive stock. I would always rely on the hunters set up to put it back to how it should be, vertigo and a load is just a good starting point as it’s easy to see it they are tipped in at the top and you may need arms.
@@TheParrottBros mate, it's 2.5 NEGATIVE stock! :D
Noted thanks
Another great vid. Eye opener for me and my tt. Mine is on cheap coilovers which are non adjustable at the back. Garage informed me that rears are out by 3 degrees. If I order the lower adjustable arms plus bushes should I also replace uppers and if so would they need to be adjustable also?.
Hi - Thanks for this video. I have an Audi TT (V6 - Registered in 2004) I am having a problem in getting a camber adjustment for my rear tyre and have been advised to buy a set of upper and lower control arms. I am going to buy a set Lemforder arms which have some good reviews. I wanted to double check that both the upper and lower arms are the same size before ordering. Could you advise? Thanks
Hey Dom, brilliant video. How did you go about removing the bushes from both the arms and the hubs? Cheers!
I have a rear subframe video where I refurbish the arms etc, if you take a look you’ll see it in the TT playlist.
The rose joints I would leave in if you have them just grease them and make sure they are free for movement
Very helpful as always!
Something I’ve always wondered is why is the channel called parrot bros? It’s been bugging me for ages and I want to know😂
It’s our family name, thanks for the kind words and for watching 👍🏻
Just ordered a set of 40mm springs. Is it only back wheels that have camber issues then?
Informative video. I have a question though. What is that drop link type thing on the middle of the nearside arms?
Thanks
Headlight levelling sensor
Did you only replace to lower arms Dom? Bryn told it's preferable to replace top and bottom as the upper arm adjusts the toe?
Can you make a video about exhausts , Decat ,downpipes, muffler/ resonator delete and tuning exhausts? Thank you
It’s on the list for post lock down :)
@@TheParrottBros thanks mate
Thanks for a great video, I´m currently working on my wife´s TT mk1 and the rose-joint (top side of the trailing arm to the upper control arm) has seized and is locked in place. Do you happend to have a part number/link for the poly bushing that you talk about in your video?
Thanks
I do indeed, it is Strongflex 221940A Thanks
you forgot to put the link for the control arms in the description
Awesome video, I had 2001 s3, but the condition of the bottom has almost 99% no rust. Of course may be the weather in Australia is dry not like in UK, that is wet and humid. Your rust is beyond my imagination....yes, get oem only.
John Mar what I would do for rust free cars haha. Would save me hours and hours in repairs that’s for sure. I bet s3’s are quite rare over in aus?
@@TheParrottBros S3 is still popular but not a much as wrx.
John Mar do you see many on the road?
@@TheParrottBros in sydney, there are more new s3s than my old s3. Trust me, its plenty here. But your rust TT was the first one I see, and this will not pass our safety road checks for the registration. Even in the wrecker, the condition is still very good.
Now I own a fwd and I’ve been told there’s no way to fix the camber
Links for the yellow bushing and the other small bushing for the second control arm? Thank you !
yellow bushes strongflexuk.com/product/221940a-rear-tie-bar-to-hub-bush-sport/
red bushes strongflexuk.com/product/221371b-rear-wishbone-inner-bush/
I think ld better get my wife’s tt roadster up on a ramp - immaculate car on top only done 82k but lv got a feeling underneath is going to be breath holding moment
Always worth having a look and addressing if you catch it in time
Parrot bros : Shows right side of car:
Me: “I didn’t know Audi made a tt in 1792”
one benefit of living in Arizona is the underside of my 2002 225 looks like it just rolled off the factory line. do all the older Audis look like they could have been part of a ship wreck out there ? buy yourself a Arizona car and you won't have any rust issues to deal with.
Can you please do a video on installing the new controller arms
I certainly will do, as soon as lockdown is over 👍🏻
Christian Steendahl you can see a fresh install video on @garagebuds. I just installed 2 weeks ago.
Installing rear control arms was pretty tough. hard to get the arms to come level with the bolt holes. In the end I used ratchet straps to pull the wheel hub closer in to fit the bolt through the hole.
When i got my tt it had adjustable arms on it how do i tell if there the cheap ones it all so come with brand new vogtland coilovers which ive never heard off
they are quite a popular brand, even demon tweaks sell them so cant be too bad. Feel free to send me a pic of the arms to my insta / fb or website and ill be happy to help you identify them :)
The CB control arms only come as 1 pair so will need to order 2 sets for both sides of the car ?
One pair will be fine, one for each side, I would only get 2 pairs if your planning to race or get race geo
Can I ask what are the rear top and bottom bushings, are they what is being shown in the above video, I need 4 of them and I'm guessing these are they. Cheers
That’s correct. Are you after factory or aftermarket? Part numbers are in video description
Do the adjustable Rear Control Arms fit the tt 180hp 2wd?
The adjustable rear control arms are only suitable for the Quattro models I’m afraid
What is your opinion about putting bushes (instead of the rose joints) with the standard arms? Mine is std height, but I'm worrying about the lack of movement and the extra forces that are applied to the arms
Dante Ferrari if audi have made a revised part of your stock I would use those as oem is perfectly good, Audi’s revised part 1J0 505 203
@@TheParrottBros thanks for confirming.. price wise oem manufacturer is lemforder, the oem number can be seen on the part, and is cheaper than the Audi part. Also, could you tell whether you upgraded the arb s on the TT and if so how do a tt compare to your B8 S4 handling wise?
Any chance someone could tell me the link to buy those those yellow 2 piece poly bushings for the upper rear control arms that you showed in your video ?
www.strongflexuk.co.uk/221940a-rear-tie-bar-to-hub-bush-sport.html#.Xwo1F0F4XDt
Hope that’s what your after
Hi have you had your tt resprayed. Enyouing videos. Thanks
Thanks, no my tt is still original paint besides the front bumper and drives wing which the previous owner had painted badly haha
so is it the same polybush top and bottom?
If you use strong flex bushes you can fit them top and bottom yes
Normal people: “Oh no my cars broken”
Me: “ooo stancy boii”
Haha it would look better if it was deep dish wheels 😂
The arms are absolutely shit to be honest that happend to me it snapped at the wheel end there pretty poor shitty thin steel like you highlite love your vids on these you have helped me out with a few issues on mine thanks for sharing your experiences because I'm sure im not alone we have all suffered from these faults thanks for sharing
If i can help others from suffering faults that myself or others have had then its a win, glad you found the content helpful, plenty more where that came from
Would this cause the rear of the car to jump up and down and vibrate badly if bad out of alignment like that. Just put all new perelli tires all way around and have only driven at best 500 miles btw I also changed my wheels too. My old wheels was much wider these are .75 the old was .95 width. And have 30mm spacers on rear and 25mm spacers on front and driver side rear tire is sitting inward at the top and outward at bottom. It wasn't doing that nor did it look like that when old wheels and tires was on it.
Crap Master Usually if you get in tire way, that is down to if you’ve lowered your vehicle more than anything. But if you are getting poor handling you may well have a seized or more than one seized bush.
It would be worth getting them checked out as they can make the arm snap
@@TheParrottBros ok thanks! I'm gonna be taking the car to a alignment shop tomorrow morning and see what they find I'm hoping it's not to much but yes my car is lowered and I have aftermarket adjust upper and lower control arms on the rear. It's just odd that it did it right after my wheels and tire swap. Definitely makes driving sketchy.ill have them also check that over definitely that u just mentioned
Are the top & bottom arms the same length?
Stock yes
I bought My TT a week ago and it's lowered. I guess i soon have the same problem, and also has anyone else the EPC light on and ESP , is that a common problem with TT:s?
Just because it’s lowered doesn’t mean you will have this issue, the issue can affect any tt with seizes bushes not just lowered one.
Epc / esp can be on for a number of reasons, broken wire, dodgy sensor etc.
Try and get it plugged in and read the codes
Hey do you need shortened shocks for the lowering springs or is the car okay going on shortened springs with standard shocks?
It all depends on the amount the springs will lower. If it’s a subtle drop like the eibach -25mm ones yourll be fine. If it’s -40 or more you might bottom the shocks out and massively reduce the life span
Thanks for the vid, my tt underside is exactly the same looks like it's been kept in the sea! I've got some second hand arms which I've stripped back and will paint & fit in the forthcoming weeks... Nuts and bolts wise, where is the best place to get them? Or any links to specific sizes I'd need. Thanks!
Dan Crayford yeah it looks like a Scotland or sea side car haha. Luckily I’ve replaced everything. Bolts wise I’ve brought new ones from TPS ( genuine bolts) message me on either fb or insta and I’ll give you all the part numbers
I've got mine from local Audi dealer. They should be always replaced.
@@TheParrottBros thank you, your channel has given me some great enthusiasm to do some TT jobs over this lockdown period. Easy to follow & understandable vids... Love it!
@@dancrayford8725 Yes, great channel, great guy Dominic.
Dan Crayford thanks for the kind words bro, yeah I’ve been trying to do as much as possible
Are they the same for upper and lower and left and right
On most models yea, some of the earlier ones the arms differed by a few mm but most are same yes
Hi Dom, is it possible/straight forward to remove rear control arm outer bush in situ to fit polybush? Or is it a pig 🐷
It’s doable, every single thing at the back will be fiddly as the cars old haha. With a tool to wind old one out should be steady enough
@@TheParrottBros nice1 Dom👍 I'll pass on the good news to my mechanic, im sure he'll be thrilled 🤣😂
Hi hoping to get advise if you can please correct me if i am wrong .. going off this video there is 5 bushes in total per side ? Do you have the list of all 5 bushes ? There are 2 rose bush ? And 2 inner ? Then is is a axle beam bush ? The big one on the end ? ... my car is in process of being done i have adjustable with a bush already in so the other 3 power flex ( 2 rose & beam ) are the ones that i need the right ones for to get my car back on the road .much appreciated....
Yeah that’s right, powerflex don’t make a replacement bush for the rose joints I’m afraid, only company I found that sell them is strongflex. The rose joints are very good providing they have free movement and are greased and checked
@@TheParrottBros i already have a set of rose joint . But would like to strengthen it up i think so strongflex do you have the right code it can be hard find with my model having changed slightly
Rose joints believe it or not are better than poly bushes as they offer a greater degree of movement whilst still maintaining support. If you wanna get strong flex they are www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274766571210
Legend ! I will never forget this in a million years ! Been a test and You are the man for the job. Maybe in the future we shall meet in the audi . Take care thanks a bunch
@@theking-qo6fc anytime man 👍🏻👍🏻
Hello there Bro's
By any chance did you know if the top and bottom arms are the same size?
My understanding is that anything from 2001 onwards has matching arms top and bottom.
Double check with the seller with your vin number prior to purchasing but when I’ve looked on the Parts website it shows both arms being the same part number
The reason I ask is cause I was going to get a set of the megan racing ones and on the comments one person said to get 2 Set top and bottom, camber and caster adjustment.
to lower it properly and get all correct adjustment ,do i need all four adjustable arms? or can i get away with replacing just the lower ones ?
Two will allow you to correct the geo, 4 just gives you more adjustment options, for track and race 4 would be ideal, for road 2 is plenty ( and what i run)
@@TheParrottBros cool thanks 👍
What suspension set up do you have? Just im looking for a kit for my 3.2 but no manufacter seems to do a kit specific to the 3.2. Thanks
Currently the b12 kit from eibach, most company’s will do a 3.2 option, if you want separate shock and springs there is eibach and h&r and some cheaper ones
@@TheParrottBros yeah I wanted eibach, but they don’t seem to do them for the 3.2, H&R are not specific to the 3.2 and are just the same as the 1.8t which worries me slightly! Might end up with kw v1’s
@@Leroyindahou5e I’d you want Coilovers I would lean towards the gaz ones as fully serviceable in the uk ( if your UK based) and usually cheaper too. They do varying spring rates and can make custom ones too
Is it worth changing the arms if the car isn’t lowered? The adjustable do look a lot stronger..
Not really, the only time the arms would be no good is when the bush/rose joint is seized. When it’s ok there is no risk of failure
I’ll look into changing the bushes then, thanks!
@@chloehicks1290 Check them out they might be fine, just get them checked :)
Yeah these arms like to snap on you making you rear steer into trees. But of a weak point
Seb that doesn’t sound good, speaking from experience?
The Parrott Bro’s Yes dude, twice is not nice 🤟 . I put it down to the rear alignment being way out. Got it 4 wheel tracked and so far the TT doesn’t handle like a forklift. Makes you paranoid though. 😂
Yeah I can imagine, after something like that happening it’s always on the back of your mind. That’s why I thought id do a video on it to educate other TT owners. I’ve heard of people who have had them snap, didn’t realise it was the bushes that were ceased then it happening again