Appreciate the video. Just picked up mine from a local ffl. I went with the dark grey tattered American flag cerakote finish. It looks great. Way better than just plain black.
I bought the same one. It's perfection over the plain black, which I typically would have chosen but they were out, only had this one. Best piece ever.
Yo Rashid, I finally went to the range to with slugs, this thing is amazing. Thanks for the conversation btw. But it cycled perfectly, the recoil wasn’t like any other 12 I have ever shot before. Very nice machine. Thought I would let you know, going to video a shot fest at the range soon enough. One thing I did do to it was getting a magpul vertical grip. Best shotgun I own by far.
just drove to PSA and picked one up. can't wait to use it on my range. did you follow a breaking in protocol or anything? or just out of the box, load and shoot?
@@the5stacys when I got it home I broke it down and cleaned and oiled it first thing and I’m glad I did because the top barrel nut wasn’t where it was supposed to be or it might not have been fire ready otherwise. Pop it open and make sure, I never shoot straight out the box ever for that very reason. Helps to learn the insides as well. I just used the panzer video to break it down and found the nut half way up the barrel.
@@danlatour6360 oh boy. I agree w everything you said but am intimidated by all the little tiny parts and pieces and don't know jack about what, how or why they are there. So much learning to do but necessary.
I swear I’ll be uploading a video soon. Life has gotten in the way but I intend on going to the range this week. Attempted to go Sunday but they were crowded and didn’t have shotgun ammo.
I just received mine and the sights are pretty funny. You can't see the front sight through the rear no matter where your placement is unless your eye is on the stock and my head is tipped all the way on the side. I would need a riser just to get a full picture of the front and rear sight. Stupid set up unless I am doing something wrong...which is possible. 🤔
Will anyone with one of these upload a copy of the user manual? I ordered one, but cannot find the manual online. Only the manual for the BP12 seems to be available online.
Would like to know what ammo the manual recommends for break in. The original BP12 manual has a recommendation, current website PDF manual has zero recommendation (it was removed), and Panzer sales recommended these days ammo categorized as high velocity to use with the lower velocity piston.
You can use both high velocity and low velocity ammo. It’s easily adjustable just by pulling or pushing the gas regulator. Panzer recommends HV for any rounds that are greater than 1400fps or 1 ^3 8 oz.
@@blest612 Know that part. My issue is they changed the specs of the ammo for break in. Now their support department is suggesting for break in, loads that are considered on the manual as high velocity to use with the normal velocity gas piston. And the whole break in recommendation was completely removed from the current online manual available on their site... Very shady indeed.
Break it down and clean and lubricate it really good with some CLP. Run some high velocity loads 1350fps plus buck shot, turkey shot, slugs… for break in. Not that complicated. The hotter the load the better it’ll perform
Yes the mk1919 drum fits but I believe it needs shaving on the base near the front side that way it properly seats and locks, as the weird mag channel interferes with the drum base.
This shotgun accepts BP-12 and AR-12 magazines. A drum would be pretty awkward due to its placement behind the grip. I got a 10 rd and that's all I need.
@@c7bullet789 yeah do that. with brand and how it performs please. problem with the bullpup is the mag is behind the grip so you have to wrap your arm/wrist around the drum somehow to operate.
Did you shoot this monster yet? Just wondering how it performed. I got mine this week, looking forward to range day soon enough. And you are right there isn’t a video on this yet showing any range action. Let us all know what’s up with this machine. Thanks
I shot it but the range wasn’t the best to do a video. Also, I intentionally used different ammo and it was going well but then had feeding issues. Not sure if it was the gun or just needing some oil, so I’m going to do that and then get video at a different range hopefully this weekend. But I also bought a KS7 pump action and comparing them both, the EGX500 is just amazing. You will really tear up some targets
You are still in the break in period as well by the sounds of things, I’d stay with 2 3/4 in shells until you get there, I’m not using bird shot either, buckshot only. But it’s still to cool out there for me to hit an outdoor range yet. I will keep my eye open to see if you post a range day though, I’m going to watch it for sure. Thanks for that info too.
Hey, I just watched a video about the BP12 with feeding issues, this gentleman fixed the problem by storing the bullpup with the bolt open for about 2 weeks and when he got back on the range it performed flawlessly according to him. He also said he was going to store it that way for a while longer as well, thought I would let you know. I’m doing it as well now.
@@danlatour6360 oh that is probably where I went wrong because I shot game, buckshot and slugs. I was trying to give people an idea of how it performs with various ammo.
Which side did you install the charging handle on? I recall if I had trouble but so much has gone on that I could have and just didn’t remember it. I almost deleted this video to redo it and make it shorter but I’m appreciative that it’s being watched.
@@89bluegt I agree now that I think about it. I didn’t use a hammer but I did hit it pretty good with my hand and remember being nervous about it at first. The instructions do make it seem as if you just push it in, but it shouldn’t be that easy because then that means it’s easy to take out.
You can adjust the tension on the ball bearing that seats in the notch of the charging handle. You have to disassemble to get to the tiny allen screw that holds/compresses a spring on the bearing. A tiny turn of said screw makes a big difference in tension and retention of the handle, so test before reassembling and get it to a point where you can manage removing/inserting the handle with your hands, but not so loose it might fly out during firing. On the one I'm looking at there is a crimp at the end of the threaded hole for the screw that looks like it's meant to prevent the it from backing all the way out, and I wouldn't force the screw into that crimp too much. Disassembly: ua-cam.com/video/8Fc8_lFpOJw/v-deo.html
@@anirishcommunist6685 that’s exactly right. Not to mention I am huge on aesthetics and the EGX 500 like the Panzer BP 12 is quite the beauty. Not to mention the price. I’d rather pay $900 for two different yet incredible shotguns (EGX 500 and Keltec KS7) than spend $800+ on just one.
Looking at the box in the video is better to give you an idea. There isn’t a name for it but the bottom frame between the butt pad and the magazine is where you’d attach one end of the sling to the bottom triangle piece just infront of the trigger where your hand would hold to stabilize when firing
@@urbanswagaddict When the pin is inserted (low velocity) it blocks a hole in the gas chamber. When the pin is pulled out the hole is unobstructed and (I would guess) this allows some of the gas in the gas chamber to exit so that it does not force the piston back too hard and cause damage or screw with the cycling. I would image that without the pin in there you are now limited to using high velocity (manual says 1400 to 1600 ft/sec) rounds. LV rounds might not cycle. You can always experiment and see if 1325 or 1200 ft/sec still work.
I'm so sorry the people of my birth state are voting the way they are...literally making it very difficult to protect themselves. Seems counterproductive but they probably believe that the police are there to provide that service. lol There are plenty of states that will welcome you with open arms freedom. I now live in NC outside of city limits and ...freedom everyday on my property. Best of luck to you.
Just ordered one of these. Can't wait til it gets to my ffl.
The delivery was pretty quick in my opinion. Congrats on the new purchase. I’m certain you’ll be just as pleased as I was.
Appreciate the video. Just picked up mine from a local ffl. I went with the dark grey tattered American flag cerakote finish. It looks great. Way better than just plain black.
I bought the same one. It's perfection over the plain black, which I typically would have chosen but they were out, only had this one. Best piece ever.
Yo Rashid, I finally went to the range to with slugs, this thing is amazing. Thanks for the conversation btw. But it cycled perfectly, the recoil wasn’t like any other 12 I have ever shot before. Very nice machine. Thought I would let you know, going to video a shot fest at the range soon enough. One thing I did do to it was getting a magpul vertical grip. Best shotgun I own by far.
just drove to PSA and picked one up.
can't wait to use it on my range.
did you follow a breaking in protocol or anything? or just out of the box, load and shoot?
@@the5stacys when I got it home I broke it down and cleaned and oiled it first thing and I’m glad I did because the top barrel nut wasn’t where it was supposed to be or it might not have been fire ready otherwise. Pop it open and make sure, I never shoot straight out the box ever for that very reason. Helps to learn the insides as well. I just used the panzer video to break it down and found the nut half way up the barrel.
@@danlatour6360 oh boy. I agree w everything you said but am intimidated by all the little tiny parts and pieces and don't know jack about what, how or why they are there.
So much learning to do but necessary.
Here from the Panzer review. Your video is very informative. Thank you for uploading.
Looking forward to seeing your next video in which you test it out at the range 😀
I swear I’ll be uploading a video soon. Life has gotten in the way but I intend on going to the range this week. Attempted to go Sunday but they were crowded and didn’t have shotgun ammo.
Thank you for the video
You bet!
My pleasure
Nice introduction to the bullpup. I'm thinking about buying one. Are the trigger hand grip and forward angle grip replaceable? Thanks.
I just received mine and the sights are pretty funny. You can't see the front sight through the rear no matter where your placement is unless your eye is on the stock and my head is tipped all the way on the side. I would need a riser just to get a full picture of the front and rear sight. Stupid set up unless I am doing something wrong...which is possible. 🤔
that's hard to say. have you emailed panzer w pics? they might have some ideas.
Nice video. Classic firearms has a video also. I love this gun and want one!
I highly recommend you to get this!
ditto. just do it.
no regrets.
zero.
I have the panzer bp-12, & love it. If I had the money I would have the 500 already
Was looking at a disassembly video and looks like they simplified the process on that model.
Where did you find this video, I've been looking for one?
@@dennykray9950 ua-cam.com/video/8Fc8_lFpOJw/v-deo.html
Will anyone with one of these upload a copy of the user manual? I ordered one, but cannot find the manual online. Only the manual for the BP12 seems to be available online.
I will. You still need it??
Would you post a video of the disassembly and cleaning process?
I haven’t gotten there yet but there is another video from someone else who disassembled theirs
Would like to know what ammo the manual recommends for break in. The original BP12 manual has a recommendation, current website PDF manual has zero recommendation (it was removed), and Panzer sales recommended these days ammo categorized as high velocity to use with the lower velocity piston.
You can use both high velocity and low velocity ammo. It’s easily adjustable just by pulling or pushing the gas regulator. Panzer recommends HV for any rounds that are greater than 1400fps or 1 ^3 8 oz.
@@blest612 Know that part. My issue is they changed the specs of the ammo for break in. Now their support department is suggesting for break in, loads that are considered on the manual as high velocity to use with the normal velocity gas piston.
And the whole break in recommendation was completely removed from the current online manual available on their site... Very shady indeed.
Break it down and clean and lubricate it really good with some CLP. Run some high velocity loads 1350fps plus buck shot, turkey shot, slugs… for break in. Not that complicated. The hotter the load the better it’ll perform
Clean it first, then use high velocity rounds for break-in. (50-100 round break-in)
What type of magazine does it take is it mkm1919 if so I have a 30 rd drum for it. Thanks for sharing
Yes the mk1919 drum fits but I believe it needs shaving on the base near the front side that way it properly seats and locks, as the weird mag channel interferes with the drum base.
Are the grips removable?
This shotgun accepts BP-12 and AR-12 magazines. A drum would be pretty awkward due to its placement behind the grip. I got a 10 rd and that's all I need.
Its really a matter of preference. There wasn’t much of an issue for the person I viewed attaching a drum to his BP 12 but I personally would not.
@@blest612 Agreed. The charging handle doesn't reciprocate.
I have a drum for my M12 -AK let’s see how it feels on this gun when it comes in.
@@c7bullet789 yeah do that. with brand and how it performs please. problem with the bullpup is the mag is behind the grip so you have to wrap your arm/wrist
around the drum somehow to operate.
You let a baby around this gun?!?! And an Allen wrench is a choking hazard!! Dude!
The button for the gas system does it pull out just like the charging handle?
It does not pull out completely.
It pulls out to shoot high velocity rounds but not much. Pull for HV ammo and push for low velocity ammo
If you want to remove it it will pull out.
Did you shoot this monster yet? Just wondering how it performed. I got mine this week, looking forward to range day soon enough. And you are right there isn’t a video on this yet showing any range action. Let us all know what’s up with this machine. Thanks
I shot it but the range wasn’t the best to do a video. Also, I intentionally used different ammo and it was going well but then had feeding issues. Not sure if it was the gun or just needing some oil, so I’m going to do that and then get video at a different range hopefully this weekend. But I also bought a KS7 pump action and comparing them both, the EGX500 is just amazing. You will really tear up some targets
You are still in the break in period as well by the sounds of things, I’d stay with 2 3/4 in shells until you get there, I’m not using bird shot either, buckshot only. But it’s still to cool out there for me to hit an outdoor range yet. I will keep my eye open to see if you post a range day though, I’m going to watch it for sure. Thanks for that info too.
Hey, I just watched a video about the BP12 with feeding issues, this gentleman fixed the problem by storing the bullpup with the bolt open for about 2 weeks and when he got back on the range it performed flawlessly according to him. He also said he was going to store it that way for a while longer as well, thought I would let you know. I’m doing it as well now.
@@danlatour6360 oh that is probably where I went wrong because I shot game, buckshot and slugs. I was trying to give people an idea of how it performs with various ammo.
Once you break it in, you should be able to bounce around with different shells easier.
I really like the snake skin pattern look of this. Did you paint that yourself or did it come like that?
Bought one today. I had a little trouble getting my charging handle inserted.
Which side did you install the charging handle on? I recall if I had trouble but so much has gone on that I could have and just didn’t remember it. I almost deleted this video to redo it and make it shorter but I’m appreciative that it’s being watched.
@RashidH. I installed on the right side. Tapped it in with a rubber hammer. Wasn't going in by pushing as the instructions stated.
@@89bluegt I agree now that I think about it. I didn’t use a hammer but I did hit it pretty good with my hand and remember being nervous about it at first. The instructions do make it seem as if you just push it in, but it shouldn’t be that easy because then that means it’s easy to take out.
I sprayed some lubricant on the charging handle made it a lot easier to insert, like most things. 😂
You can adjust the tension on the ball bearing that seats in the notch of the charging handle. You have to disassemble to get to the tiny allen screw that holds/compresses a spring on the bearing. A tiny turn of said screw makes a big difference in tension and retention of the handle, so test before reassembling and get it to a point where you can manage removing/inserting the handle with your hands, but not so loose it might fly out during firing. On the one I'm looking at there is a crimp at the end of the threaded hole for the screw that looks like it's meant to prevent the it from backing all the way out, and I wouldn't force the screw into that crimp too much. Disassembly: ua-cam.com/video/8Fc8_lFpOJw/v-deo.html
Genuine question: why get this instead of a mossberg for home defense?
its a lot shorter then a mossberg so corners are less of a problem. plus since its mag fed reloads are much quicker then a tube fed shotgun
@@anirishcommunist6685 that’s exactly right. Not to mention I am huge on aesthetics and the EGX 500 like the Panzer BP 12 is quite the beauty. Not to mention the price. I’d rather pay $900 for two different yet incredible shotguns (EGX 500 and Keltec KS7) than spend $800+ on just one.
Was wondering where to attach a sling?
Looking at the box in the video is better to give you an idea. There isn’t a name for it but the bottom frame between the butt pad and the magazine is where you’d attach one end of the sling to the bottom triangle piece just infront of the trigger where your hand would hold to stabilize when firing
On the box it’s the area just above the E and you see the frame in the back with the openings between the pad and the magazine
We're is the first shots
My apologies, life has been happening. I will be recording and uploading Today sometime so I will let you know when it’s up.
I have 2 cases of 1600 FPS slugs. Is that too high power for this gun according to the recommendations?
It will work fine as long you set it to high velocity.
@@rulyfeliciano2351 I lost my HV(high velocity) pin and wonder is it safe to shoot without it and if so what fps to use?
@@urbanswagaddict When the pin is inserted (low velocity) it blocks a hole in the gas chamber. When the pin is pulled out the hole is unobstructed and (I would guess) this allows some of the gas in the gas chamber to exit so that it does not force the piston back too hard and cause damage or screw with the cycling. I would image that without the pin in there you are now limited to using high velocity (manual says 1400 to 1600 ft/sec) rounds. LV rounds might not cycle. You can always experiment and see if 1325 or 1200 ft/sec still work.
@@jessehauser450 thank you for responding. I will give it a try.
Ordered mine, came in to my FFL and it was sent back. Not legal to purchase in Illinois now. This state is pathetic, and we are now looking to move.
Who fid u order from?
@@closingem Palmetto, and I now have it. The phone rep at Palmetto made an error. Pissed me off but all good now.
I'm so sorry the people of my birth state are voting the way they are...literally making it very difficult to protect themselves. Seems counterproductive but they probably believe that the police are there to provide that service. lol
There are plenty of states that will welcome you with open arms freedom. I now live in NC outside of city limits and ...freedom everyday on my property.
Best of luck to you.
just read that you DID receive your item. So happy for you, man. Hope you still move outta IL tho. 😂
Hmmm...Your Baby Girl had her hands on this thing.? not cool
Not the gun, the hex keys. If it’s small they’ll get hold of it and it’ll take you a while to find it. She loses things very quickly.
C'mon Panzer! What about us lefties!
Company has a few good videos