I think so. And even if time won’t allow a detailed cleaning, at least run the bore snake a couple of passes. Also if any particular rifle sits un-fired in the cabinet for years I still rest easier knowing its been cleaned/oiled and is ready.
A few years ago I acquired an 10/22 that was 25 years old and shot a LOT by a farmer and he never cleaned it, not once (he traded it on a take down model), and the amount of gunk in the action and trigger group had to be seen to be believed. Took me an hour or two to get it clean. The old owner said that as far as he could remember it never malfunctioned once in all those years. The bore was clean and bright and this old rifle shoots like a brand new one. I'm keeping it! I am 78 now, so I expect to be worn out before this little rifle by a long way....
Oh so long as they keep the action cleaned and well cared for (And not leave it laying around somewhere) your great, great, great great grand kids will be able to fire that .22.
These guys are kind of like the more experienced family member that knows what's right, that I never had the privilege of. These videos do a remarkable service beyond mere marketing, in a very easy tone. I am very appreciative.
Heck, I'd be happy to get rid of ALL music in most videos... but at least Brownells doesn't play music during the main spoken-word portion of the video.
Guys your videos are great because they are short , you get to the point and you don't talk over top of each other. Your's are my favourite videos for knowledge.
This is odd to me. Been shooting since I was 9 and collecting/accumulating firearms since I was 18. I have NEVER heard that cleaning a .22 rifle barrel would harm it. On the contrary, all my old mentors always told me that cleaning ANY firearm barrel, if carefully done is always needed. Further, .22 is pretty much the dirtiest ammo this side of Combloc corrosive ammo.
I echo your sentiments, these so called pros. Making these lame videos.but yet here we are. Can i dry fire my weapon,? Can i let the slide slam shut on my semi auto pistol.? Jeez louise. Stay tuned how to urinate ,and not get mr winky caught in the zipper.
Maybe it's just me but I clean my .22's thoroughly after a range outing. It's part of the enjoyment of shooting. You may not concur but my firearms always run!
The most accurate round out of your gun is out of a clean bore. I've found folks are just plain lazy when it comes to cleaning their weapons. Y'all take care, flea
I don't clean my firearms after each range trip, and they all still work reliably and shoot accurately. One of us is wasting time and resources for zero gain in performance or reliability.
Never go to a match with a clean bore. I guarantee your 20th shot will be nowhere close to your 1st shot from a clean bore. Accuracy is repeatability. Your zero needs to be where your barrel holds POA=POI for the longest amount of time. For many rifles that only starts after 20 or so rounds after cleaning the bore. And you’ll only know how long that accuracy string goes on for after a lot of testing. If you’re out busting squirrels and milk jugs, then none of what I said matters. Clean it and put it away.
After 100 to 200 rounds in my Marlin 39A, I run an oiled cotton swab through my barrel, that's it. Well of course clean the moving parts of the loading mechanism. but, Still driving tacks after 40 years.
I have a hand me down 1930s 22LR that’s had well over 20,000 rounds through it over the years. I’ve put more than 5,000 rounds through it myself. I was brought up to clean your firearms after every trip to the range or if it was out in the rain. That rifle, while not shooting as well as my bench rest 22, still consistently shoots 2 1/2” groups at 100 yards. It’s always amazing 5o me to think of these older firearms and how they’ll be functioning and working well past when I am. It’s hard to go wrong keeping things clean.
I have a springfeild .22 that my Dad got when he was a kid in the 30's. He gave it to me for my 12th birthday. He taught me to clean the bolt face after use and clean the bore when the groups open up. Still holds a tight group 80 years later.
I generally just pull a couple patches through the bore and clean the action. I've done this for ever, even in my model 52 target rifles. Very seldom do I run a brush through. Never any problems with accuracy, or any bore build up.
Never heard of that one before. For 22 I usually just clean the action and pull a bore snake through with some clp on it. Once a year, or if accuracy starts dropping off, I do full clean on the barrel.
My 75 Winchester is the opposite. You run a bore snake with oil on it after shooting every time. If you clean it, you can't keep rounds in the diameter of the bottom of a bucket at 100 yards with a fecker scope on it, and it has excellent rifling, I've cleaned it completely before. Took me 2000 rounds to get it back right.
I just wanna know if I can use a .223 bore snake on one... Just to be 100% positive. We have an OLD .22 and I know for a fact its never been cleaned. If I shoot 34-36gr rounds I can literally watch them fly through the scope to the target like, 8-10moa in any direction if its sunny enough.
@@50shadesofcerakote no worries. Personally I would take patches and a nylon brush to the barrel myself. It's probably been years since it was cleaned. Might be a tack driver. I use a bore snake most of the time on my 22s, but they get a thorough scrubbing at least once a year
When I was shooting on a small bore rifle team, nobody cleaned their bores, only the chambers. That was 40 years ago, and the talk was that the wax on the bullets protected the bore better than oil. We were all shooting Anchutz, Walther, or older Winchester rifles. We would shoot the entire winter league without cleaning, (about 20, 30 round matches, plus hundreds or practice rounds). I now shoot Steel Challenge using Tactical Solution barrels, and even they say to clean the chamber only, and very rarely the bore. HOWEVER, about 40 years ago there was some low grade unplated .22 (I won't mention the brand) that would completely turn your barrel into a smooth bore after only about 25 shots. I have 50 rounds of that left and only use it as a conversation piece. The newer ammo is very clean shooting.
I have an unopened 500ct box of Remington bulk 22 that I put away many years ago ('94 AWB). I just opened it recently to have something to shoot. It's unplated and leads up everything. Had it out last week, it shot ok through a SA revolver for maybe about 40 rounds...then accuracy went non-existent...it started key holing. No squibs, no hangfires, no duds....just crap accuracy.
Solid video guys. I clean my 10/22 after every time I shoot it. I don't always do the bore, but I religiously clean the receiver. It gets absolutely filthy in less than 100 shots.
I bought a Stevens Favorite from a fellow range member. It was made in the early 1900's. Looked at the muzzle. It was oval shaped from all of the cleaning from the front. Took it to a gunsmith to have a liner installed. Got a report from the gunsmith that they broke the drill while working on the barrel. Finally got the little rifle back and heard the rest of the story. The reason they broke the liner drill, was that there was already a liner in the barrel. That meant that the original barrel was in such bad shape , a liner needed to be installed. The liner was used and cleaned so much that it ruined the muzzle. No idea how many rounds have gone through that little rifle.
I got a beat up 10/22. Cleaming time is to hang it up in the garage barrel down over a piece of newspaper and hose it down with a can of carb cleaner. Let it hang and dry. Lubricate the moving parts, wipe off the excess oil. Runs like a champ.
This my practice: After every shooting session, I run a wet patch of Hoppe's down the bore, let it sit for a few minutes then dry patch it until the patch comes clean, then a lightly oiled patch. I always clean the action after every shooting session to remove residue, followed by a very light oiling and call it good. Deep clean of action and bore once a year. I have been doing this for over 50 years and my .22s have always performed well, including accuracy. Will that work for you? You be the judge! (stole that from Paul H. lol)
I had one issue with Remington Thunderbolt ammo leading up the bore. It only took ~150 rounds to nearly occlude the bore on my rifle and less on my pistol. Took days of soaking in lead solvent to get them cleared. Never bought any more and have never had the problem since.
That’s weird, my 702 plinkster I’d clean every 550 shot brick, but the barrel was shooting fine the whole time and I’d often use thunderbolts because they were the cheapest (and my buddy had about 40k rounds in his closet). I’ve put around 30k shots on it and never really had any issues with anything (still a tack driver even at 100 yards you can knock down toy army figures), I didn’t see any accuracy change with gunk (maybe when the barrel was steaming after magazine after magazine of ammo dumps, but it wasn’t even the difference of missing a rabbit or not at realistic ranges, maybe an inch of drift, basically if you missed it was shooter missed and not the rifle). Maybe you’ve got octagonal barrels? Or some other random rifling?
@@jakegarrett8109 They both ate everything I'd load into them, cheap, match grade, plated, unplated, whatever. Only the Thunderbolts leaded up the barrels.
the military made me a compulsive gun cleaner. it took me years to break that mindset. Clean the action, yes. Swab the bore when accuracy begins to fade. Never go to a match with a clean bore.
Good information. Thanks for putting it out there. No doubt more damage can be done to any firearm through improper cleaning, than is caused by not cleaning. Lubrication is vital regardless.
For real, why does it smell so good? Used to have a girlfriend who'd get turned on by that smell... I used to clean my guns more often back then, come to think of it.
@@Gottaculat Hoppe's contains, among other things, amyl acetate. It's in there because it is a good solvent for powder residue but it also happens to be the main chemical that gives bananas their smell. It is sometimes called "banana oil". That's what gives it such a distinctive smell. It also contains ammonia water which tends to make the smell a bit harsh when you get your nose too close to an open bottle.
I inherited an old Remington Model 582 from my late grandfather and I have cleaned it the few times I've taken it to the range but it's good to know I can give that task which I'm generally religious about after every trip to the range a break once in a while with that particular firearm. Usually I only put a 100 or so rounds through it which will dirty up my .45 handguns plenty but the times I've taken that old .22 to the range, my cleaning cloth barely had anything on it. But it's such an ingrained habit to clean and lube my weapons after every use, I light at least run a bore snake through it if nothing else.
I had a Ruger 10/22 when I lived in Montana and shot at least 10K rounds through it and never cleaned anything on that gun ever and it worked just fine!
GOOD WORK!!!!! I'll still run a snake or a patch down the barrel and check them with a bore light,nothing crazy.The Action is always my main focus.I keep them serviced,yes I do have a few OCD'S about my Firearms but I'm not tearing them down after every outing. IV'E never heard of some of these Myths,MUST BE INTERNET CRAP!!!!!!
I do run patch through the bore two or three times a year. I pat attention to the semi to keep the action from going crazy dirty but even that doesn't get cleaned every trip. The guns gets a good wipe on the outside every time they're out of the safe.
Thanks, I just purchased a Remington 596 and doing some upgrades and adding picatinny, swivel mounts and ect. So I started cleaning it (hadn't been cleaned in years or since was originally bought) was for sure in need of cleaning, but was afraid of lightly cleaning the bore. Glad to hear this because it for sure need a once over.
Funny story from today. Haven't taken my old Rem 572 out in sometime, and my old eyes are getting tired. So decided to mount a $10 "scope" on it just to get a little better target visibility. Was sighting in the gun at 25yd, and could barely keep 2MOA as I closed in on what I wanted for sighting. Ran through 2 whole tube magazines (30 rounds in total), and was somewhat disappointed. 2 shots into the third magazine and it just started stacking. Did the same thing at 50, when I double checked zero. I'm using
Always informative videos. I push a couple of rags with oil through the chamber and barrel after every shoot. Mainly to protect the barrel as I live in a humid area. Never use anything else but oil to clean it. At some stage I may need to use something stronger on the chamber if that fowls up too much. But cleaning it after every shoot at this stage seems to have kept the chamber also rather clean with just using oil.
From a 22 LR pistol standpoint, I used to shoot 50 rounds of 22 through my Ruger Mark II pistol every week. When I was done shooting it, I would just lightly spray it down with some silicone spray (exterior only and not the bore), place it in a plastic bag and then put it back in the factory box and inside my gun safe until the next week. I probably missed a couple of weeks in the year, but I would also sometimes shoot a bit more than 50 rds. That was 2,500 rounds a year. And...I only took the gun apart once a year to clean it.
My old Marlin Glenfield 25 is cleaned each range trip. I only swab the barrel with a patch. I recently inherited a S&W model 48 22 mag. It hadn't been touched or cleaned in 15 years. And it had been fired. It cleaned up to B+ grade..... Uncle Sam taught me to make sure everything was clean, dry, and serviceable.....
44 yrs ago I bought a Winchester 22lr semiauto and cleaned it twice may three times. My brothers Marlin Model 60 jammed the first time out if the box and its Been cleaned lots and still jambs lots.
Thank you!! I've read stuff in shooting forums that's just ridiculous and God forbid you try to have a conversation to question any of it. Part of why I got out of all the internet arguing forums. 👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸 Top notch gentlemen
I just got a 10/22 at a pawn shop for a song because the action literally sounded like sandpaper lol. Took it apart, good Hoppes treatment and a little RemOil and she's puttin' them together on paper at 100 yrds. Cut down, camo tape stock and all.
I have personally had a barrel leading issue. Middle summer sitting in the sun and burning up several mags in a row the barrel got hot enough that the bullets were leaving a tremendous amount of lead in the barrel. But I let it cool down and then the excess lead got shot out after a slower fired mag.
I recently aquired a 1939 stevens single that had been stashed away in an old house for decades. I don't believe it had ever been cleaned since new. You couldn't even get a cleaning rod down the bore it was so choked up with old oxidized lead. When I managed to finally get it all out and cleaned, the bore and rifling was pristine! First shot was dead on center of bullseye! Did a light refurbish on the stock and metalwork. All original browning on the barrel.
I can tell you THIS: I was testing various ammo in my full-size M&P .22, so I was watching closely, inspecting the barrel with a bore light, sometimes after each mag. I got to the Remington Thunderbolt. Within 15 - 30 rounds, I took a peek at the barrel, and saw an excess of debris that caught my eye... thought it was HEAVY powder residue, if I recall correctly... nothing a snug patch shouldn't push out. It WASN'T. It was LEAD, and I managed to get out what I can only describe as CHUNKS (even saved one!). Realize that the barrel usually appeared mirror-finish up to that point, and the Thunderbolt was on track to make it look like a sewer pipe REAL QUICK! A little work with a bronze brush got most of it out, and following up with CCI "Clean .22" (the polymer-coated bullets) did the rest. Haven't used any since...
I I agree with you I have over 100 Rifles and pistols or almost self cleaning when the groups open up I run a bore snake for it the way the bullet goes
I have had Remington Thunderbolt .22 led up the bore of two firearms in 1 day. The rifle barrel was so bad that it as 1/3 obstructed. I have never once had a problem like that before or since. I had shot thousands of rounds through both guns with no troubles to speak of. This issue occurred within 100 rounds on each gun. I assumed it was a bad lot of ammo and switched to a different brick of plated ammo. No issues since.
"The Rifleman's Guide to Rimfire Ammunition" goes pretty deeply into this. Rimfire barrels wear from the chamber forward. They get pits from the hard components of the priming compound. A particularly worn tube needs several shots to start shooting tight groups.
I’ve got a Glenfield model 10 that I’ve had for many years the only thing I shoot through it is CCICB long‘s and after about 300 rounds it is definitely a smoothbore and needs to be cleaned with sweets I’ve had this gun for 25 or so years And it’s a rinse and repeat thing
I've got photos of a Ruger SR22 as well as a CZ P-07 Kadet 22 barrel where I had leaded both in a single shooting session shooting a few hundred rounds of lead Thunderbolt ammo through each. Epic pain to clean. I attributed it to the lead ammo as well as rapidly firing a lot of it. I suspect the super hot barrels softened the bullets as they passed through, leading to excessive lead sticking to the barrel.
I usually just pull a Bore Snake through mine a coupe times and clean the action. I still have to send 20 or more rounds downrange to get it to settle down if I mess with the bore. The same goes for switching loads unless they are the same brand.
Wow 56 years that's fantastic. I too, own a 552 Speedmaster. Bought it used at a gun store 35 years ago (at least) and you're right, you just don't see many of them. Mine is the plain jane (they offered a BDL version with checkering) and is an accurate little shoother.
Love mine, too. 1968 model with 23" barrel. Have you ever heard of the trigger getting so dirty (deep down inside where you can't see) that is goes into full-auto? Mine did this in bursts up to five rounds and probably more except it jams. I would pull the bolt back to clear the shell and when I let go it would fire 4-5 more in full-auto and jam again. Soaked the trigger and cleaned out every nook and cranny. Chunks came out. Finally cleaned, re-blued, re-finished the walnut and ready to sight in a new scope. Then Covid hit and shut down all the ranges.
What's most important is keeping an eye on the carbon ring just before the bullet engages the rifling. Periodically, say every 500 rounds i'll attack it with Bore Tech C4 carbon remover, i soak a mop with C4 and let it sit for several minutes. Then agitate with a brush and patch it out letting the residual C4 take care of the bore. A couple more dry patches and it's usually job done. I always use good quality ammo (my choice is SK+), these bullets are well lubed and pretty much look after the bore without too much trouble.
US SF with the original Mujahideen in Afghanistan were surprised to find most had carried AK's for years and had no idea they were supposed to be cleaned.
Maybe a distinction should be cleaning v lubing? I do a light lube in the bore for storage, while cleaning is Hoppe's #9, bronze brushes, etc, or something like that. After 43 yrs my first 22 still has a mirror bore and shoots small groups with a light lube after use!
I run a bore snake through my Lithgow Bolt Action .22lr and wipe the bolt with an oil cloth before I put it away. I keep giving the target rifle guys at my local club a run for their money and have been known to outshoot them with my hunting class, off the shelf rifle. Some ammo leaves a lot of burnt powder but most are pretty clean.
Some rifle barrels, like on the Marlin 60 in this video or the Mini 14 are impossible to clean from the breach end. There's no direct line of sight into the breach, other than using maybe a Boresnake.
A spray of CLP down the barrel from the chamber end, then one pass with a bore snake. Takes you 30 seconds tops. Just do it before putting it away, and you know you have a clean enough bore the next time you use it.
About a year ago I purchased a cheap little Maasberg 702 Plinkster The damn thing keyholes almost every shot! At 100 yards I have more accuracy throwing the bullet then shooting them! Not sure if my rifling is messed up or what it is but it’s horrible! Fixing to sell it and get a 10/22
Great video Steve and Caleb, Can you please do a video on Bore Snakes? What are your opinions of them? How to property use them? When they should be used?.. Thank you in advance. JT
I am having trouble getting good groups with high speed ammo with my 10/22 td and my classic. I have wondered if a faster twist rate would stabilize the faster projectile at further distances. With the takedown model a barrel change is as effortless as the ammo changes are now.
One thing I look at and clean often is the crown. I use a headlamp and a magnifying glass, hoppes #9, a .30 caliber nylon brush (not inside the barrel), and maybe some denatured alcohol to remove the solvent. My CZ 455 gets a little crater built up around the crown, with Federal Auto Match. Supersonic ammo can be accurate(enough) for 50 yards maybe 75, but as it slows down it goes transonic. I get better groups past 75 with subsonic or match grade ammo.
I have a lapped match barrel. It never gets dirty in the bore and all I do is pull a string with a few patches tied to it through about every 100 rds. HOWEVER, you need to take a bore brush to the chamber before that to keep the carbon from building up in that area. I usually shoot at least 2 50 rd boxes each sitting so my chamber gets cleaned when I get back home and the bore gets patched to clean out any residue. To each his/her own, but if you like tiny groups, keeping that chamber clean is a must. Let it go too long and the carbon gets nearly impossible to remove
I clean the action on a 22 when it starts to struggle to cycle. The barrel just gets a bore snake pass once or twice after I shoot it. That's about it. Actually, that's about it for all my other guns too! When I see the groups open up, then I scrub them and get them ready for another 500 or 1000 rounds.
I’ve have a nice shooting buckmark pistol that I’ve never cleaned the barrel and have about 4-5 k Rounds through it. But on same note I must clean the action after 300 or it won’t cycle
I used to shoot a lot of CCI Blazer .22LR out of my Ruger MkII Govt Model. After a particularly hot day on an outdoor range, the bore got fouled so badly the rounds were keyholing in the target. I took a rod and tapped it in through the breech end and swirls of lead spiraled out of the bore. I've been shooting copper plated ever since without issues. Just take a bore snake to it about once every brick.
Believe it or not I've got several semi-auto 22s. I strip them down to the metal components not completely stripped (basically just take the furniture off) and I clean them with non solvent automotive brake cleaner I just hose them down then I come back with rem oil and lube in the places it needs to be lubed and doing this for 20 years never had an issue
My 10/22 was made around 98 or99...dont know how many rounds through it but at 100 yards the grouping is around an inch or two .....I use a bore snake after every second range trip the rifling is very hard indeed....
Thank you. I have a CZ457, RPR, 10/22 bull barrel and the Bergara B-14. Many say never use metal brushes when cleaning the barrels. True or false? Don’t want to ruin their performance.
I spend hours cleaning my guns. Lots of Q-tips. Just got back from the ocean. Fired a couple hundred rounds from my AR into the ocean. It was fun. Got back to the motel and broke the rifle down and cleaned it. Clean is good. Part of owning a gun.
10 years or more ago I knew a fella who was also a gunsmith who put over 2,000 rounds through his AR-15 and didn't clean it The only thing he did do was run a dry brush a dry patch once down the barrel. And he never had a problem. So that's an extreme case of someone called negligence, and he never recommended it He just wanted to see what would happen and apparently and actuality, nothing happened. But like you said Mr Steve if your group starts to open up clean the barrel
I wish he had expanded a little bit more on someone possibly damaging the rifle by (he says it at the 0.27 second mark) "cleaning the barrel from the muzzled end and damaging the crown". I wish you guys would have explained that because I clean all of my guns that way. I always use a cleaning rod and go in front and some times through the chamber too. I have a Ruger 10/22 how could I be damaging it that way?
gunsmith told me that if you mess up a barrel from cleaning it, the barrel material sucks or you were using a chisel and hammer. when the gun won't shoot the group your used to, clean it.
I can only speak from experience. I always clean my guns after shooting EXCEPT, my Winchester 75. I just run a heavy oily patch down it. Cleaned the barrel once and it looked great strong rifling ect. Couldn't hit a 4x8 sheet of plywood. 2,000 rounds later I can nail a dime with it at 100 yards, with my fecker scope on it. Just one of those .22's you don't scrub the bore clean on.
"We're going to talk about cleaning your .22 LR barrel. Steve?"
Steve: "Yes, I've heard of it being done."
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Awesome!!
I laughed my ass off with his straight face saying that. I was going to post the same thing.
Young guy just got schooled
Go ahead and don’t clean a semi auto .22 rim fire and see what happens…
It's always nice a feeling to have a clean, properly lubricated weapon.
Agreed and one can not ever be certain when the weapon will be used again so.....clean and lube before it is placed back in the safe.
@@oldschool9932 Besides which, the crud is just going to get harder to remove if you leave it there to petrify.
I think so. And even if time won’t allow a detailed cleaning, at least run the bore snake a couple of passes. Also if any particular rifle sits un-fired in the cabinet for years I still rest easier knowing its been cleaned/oiled and is ready.
Gives me something to do since the bedroom has been closed off for years now.
**OCD Contingent nods approvingly**
A few years ago I acquired an 10/22 that was 25 years old and shot a LOT by a farmer and he never cleaned it, not once (he traded it on a take down model), and the amount of gunk in the action and trigger group had to be seen to be believed. Took me an hour or two to get it clean.
The old owner said that as far as he could remember it never malfunctioned once in all those years. The bore was clean and bright and this old rifle shoots like a brand new one. I'm keeping it! I am 78 now, so I expect to be worn out before this little rifle by a long way....
Oh so long as they keep the action cleaned and well cared for (And not leave it laying around somewhere) your great, great, great great grand kids will be able to fire that .22.
These guys are kind of like the more experienced family member that knows what's right, that I never had the privilege of. These videos do a remarkable service beyond mere marketing, in a very easy tone. I am very appreciative.
Note to producers. Let the hosts finish speaking before turning up the outro music volume!
Heck, I'd be happy to get rid of ALL music in most videos... but at least Brownells doesn't play music during the main spoken-word portion of the video.
That'd be a note directed towards the editor, but yes lol.
Every video music drowns out the last sentence
LOL - it does make the finished ideo look pretty amateur!!! Which, apart from anything else, these 2 gunsmiths are NOT.
Better yet, leave the stupid music out ALLTOGETHER! Morons......
Guys your videos are great because they are short , you get to the point and you don't talk over top of each other.
Your's are my favourite videos for knowledge.
"Yes, I've heard of it being done" Oh Steve! That was evil (and funny as hell!) :)
This is odd to me. Been shooting since I was 9 and collecting/accumulating firearms since I was 18. I have NEVER heard that cleaning a .22 rifle barrel would harm it. On the contrary, all my old mentors always told me that cleaning ANY firearm barrel, if carefully done is always needed. Further, .22 is pretty much the dirtiest ammo this side of Combloc corrosive ammo.
I echo your sentiments, these so called pros. Making these lame videos.but yet here we are. Can i dry fire my weapon,? Can i let the slide slam shut on my semi auto pistol.? Jeez louise. Stay tuned how to urinate ,and not get mr winky caught in the zipper.
Well said Ronnie!
@@ronniecox109 my guess is you've gotten Mr winky stuck in that zipper a few times, especially recently, hence it being on your mind.
The dislikes are from the makers of Hoppe's, Otis, M-Pro, Ballistol, etc
I disliked it because whoever edited this felt the need to deafen with me with music
Maybe it's just me but I clean my .22's thoroughly after a range outing. It's part of the enjoyment of shooting. You may not concur but my firearms always run!
The most accurate round out of your gun is out of a clean bore. I've found folks are just plain lazy when it comes to cleaning their weapons. Y'all take care, flea
I don't clean my firearms after each range trip, and they all still work reliably and shoot accurately. One of us is wasting time and resources for zero gain in performance or reliability.
@@225degrees I would say negligible in performance and reliability, no zero.
@@jonathanrogers9961 Negligable is equivalent to wasting your time.
Never go to a match with a clean bore. I guarantee your 20th shot will be nowhere close to your 1st shot from a clean bore. Accuracy is repeatability. Your zero needs to be where your barrel holds POA=POI for the longest amount of time. For many rifles that only starts after 20 or so rounds after cleaning the bore. And you’ll only know how long that accuracy string goes on for after a lot of testing.
If you’re out busting squirrels and milk jugs, then none of what I said matters. Clean it and put it away.
After 100 to 200 rounds in my Marlin 39A, I run an oiled cotton swab through my barrel, that's it. Well of course clean the moving parts of the loading mechanism. but, Still driving tacks after 40 years.
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Still driving tacks, popping water balloons, etc after 6 months with my Marlin 39 (pre-A ) made between 1925-'32 ...
Thanks for dispelling some of these myths. Man I've heard some stuff at the range that just defies basic common sense.
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I have a hand me down 1930s 22LR that’s had well over 20,000 rounds through it over the years. I’ve put more than 5,000 rounds through it myself. I was brought up to clean your firearms after every trip to the range or if it was out in the rain. That rifle, while not shooting as well as my bench rest 22, still consistently shoots 2 1/2” groups at 100 yards. It’s always amazing 5o me to think of these older firearms and how they’ll be functioning and working well past when I am. It’s hard to go wrong keeping things clean.
I have a springfeild .22 that my Dad got when he was a kid in the 30's. He gave it to me for my 12th birthday. He taught me to clean the bolt face after use and clean the bore when the groups open up. Still holds a tight group 80 years later.
I generally just pull a couple patches through the bore and clean the action. I've done this for ever, even in my model 52 target rifles. Very seldom do I run a brush through. Never any problems with accuracy, or any bore build up.
My Ruger Precision Rimfire get a bore snake every 500 rds or so and I wipe down the bolt at around the same time
Never heard of that one before. For 22 I usually just clean the action and pull a bore snake through with some clp on it. Once a year, or if accuracy starts dropping off, I do full clean on the barrel.
My 75 Winchester is the opposite. You run a bore snake with oil on it after shooting every time. If you clean it, you can't keep rounds in the diameter of the bottom of a bucket at 100 yards with a fecker scope on it, and it has excellent rifling, I've cleaned it completely before. Took me 2000 rounds to get it back right.
I just wanna know if I can use a .223 bore snake on one... Just to be 100% positive. We have an OLD .22 and I know for a fact its never been cleaned. If I shoot 34-36gr rounds I can literally watch them fly through the scope to the target like, 8-10moa in any direction if its sunny enough.
@@50shadesofcerakote its a bullet diameter of .223 vs .224 , I would do it without hesitation.
@@jonathanrogers9961 I know it sounded dumb... But I just wanted to be careful haha
@@50shadesofcerakote no worries. Personally I would take patches and a nylon brush to the barrel myself. It's probably been years since it was cleaned. Might be a tack driver. I use a bore snake most of the time on my 22s, but they get a thorough scrubbing at least once a year
When I was shooting on a small bore rifle team, nobody cleaned their bores, only the chambers. That was 40 years ago, and the talk was that the wax on the bullets protected the bore better than oil. We were all shooting Anchutz, Walther, or older Winchester rifles. We would shoot the entire winter league without cleaning, (about 20, 30 round matches, plus hundreds or practice rounds). I now shoot Steel Challenge using Tactical Solution barrels, and even they say to clean the chamber only, and very rarely the bore.
HOWEVER, about 40 years ago there was some low grade unplated .22 (I won't mention the brand) that would completely turn your barrel into a smooth bore after only about 25 shots. I have 50 rounds of that left and only use it as a conversation piece. The newer ammo is very clean shooting.
amen. 100% agree.
I have an unopened 500ct box of Remington bulk 22 that I put away many years ago ('94 AWB). I just opened it recently to have something to shoot. It's unplated and leads up everything. Had it out last week, it shot ok through a SA revolver for maybe about 40 rounds...then accuracy went non-existent...it started key holing. No squibs, no hangfires, no duds....just crap accuracy.
Solid video guys. I clean my 10/22 after every time I shoot it. I don't always do the bore, but I religiously clean the receiver. It gets absolutely filthy in less than 100 shots.
I bought a Stevens Favorite from a fellow range member. It was made in the early 1900's. Looked at the muzzle. It was oval shaped from all of the cleaning from the front. Took it to a gunsmith to have a liner installed. Got a report from the gunsmith that they broke the drill while working on the barrel. Finally got the little rifle back and heard the rest of the story.
The reason they broke the liner drill, was that there was already a liner in the barrel. That meant that the original barrel was in such bad shape , a liner needed to be installed. The liner was used and cleaned so much that it ruined the muzzle. No idea how many rounds have gone through that little rifle.
An Otis pull thru or Hoppes bore Snake is enough to clean most .22s, and it's what I use on mine.
Just don't pull it into the muzzle end
@@Resistculturaldecline but of course, only how a bullet travels through a barrel!
Just use patches from muzzle end no problem
Have that same 22 you had up... the born date on mine Feb 1969. Thanks for the video!
I got a beat up 10/22.
Cleaming time is to hang it up in the garage barrel down over a piece of newspaper and hose it down with a can of carb cleaner.
Let it hang and dry.
Lubricate the moving parts, wipe off the excess oil.
Runs like a champ.
This my practice: After every shooting session, I run a wet patch of Hoppe's down the bore, let it sit for a few minutes then dry patch it until the patch comes clean, then a lightly oiled patch. I always clean the action after every shooting session to remove residue, followed by a very light oiling and call it good. Deep clean of action and bore once a year. I have been doing this for over 50 years and my .22s have always performed well, including accuracy. Will that work for you? You be the judge! (stole that from Paul H. lol)
That is exactly what I do.
I had one issue with Remington Thunderbolt ammo leading up the bore. It only took ~150 rounds to nearly occlude the bore on my rifle and less on my pistol. Took days of soaking in lead solvent to get them cleared. Never bought any more and have never had the problem since.
Had a similar issue with Thunderbolt in my S&W Victory. It leaded up the barrel badly.
That’s weird, my 702 plinkster I’d clean every 550 shot brick, but the barrel was shooting fine the whole time and I’d often use thunderbolts because they were the cheapest (and my buddy had about 40k rounds in his closet). I’ve put around 30k shots on it and never really had any issues with anything (still a tack driver even at 100 yards you can knock down toy army figures), I didn’t see any accuracy change with gunk (maybe when the barrel was steaming after magazine after magazine of ammo dumps, but it wasn’t even the difference of missing a rabbit or not at realistic ranges, maybe an inch of drift, basically if you missed it was shooter missed and not the rifle). Maybe you’ve got octagonal barrels? Or some other random rifling?
@@jakegarrett8109 They both ate everything I'd load into them, cheap, match grade, plated, unplated, whatever. Only the Thunderbolts leaded up the barrels.
I have a very strict cleaning schedule for my .22’s. It’s rarely as almost never.
I clean every firearms after I use them, including my .22 rifles and pistols.
Same
@@SCBCshorts I clean my Glocks every 5,000 rounds.
@KQX571 Favorites Ranger Class 5-70. Yes, I am old.
And don't forget the fingerprints ...
the military made me a compulsive gun cleaner. it took me years to break that mindset. Clean the action, yes. Swab the bore when accuracy begins to fade. Never go to a match with a clean bore.
Good information. Thanks for putting it out there. No doubt more damage can be done to any firearm through improper cleaning, than is caused by not cleaning. Lubrication is vital regardless.
Interesting. I was just confronted with this dilemma the other day. Thanks for the video!!!
I bought a Marlin model 60 that I bought in the mid-80's, shot countless rounds through it and it still runs (and shoots) like a champ!
Any excuse to smell Hoppe’s #9
For real, why does it smell so good? Used to have a girlfriend who'd get turned on by that smell... I used to clean my guns more often back then, come to think of it.
@@Gottaculat TIL gun lube is an aphrodisiac
@@Gottaculat duely noted kind sir
@@Gottaculat Hoppe's contains, among other things, amyl acetate. It's in there because it is a good solvent for powder residue but it also happens to be the main chemical that gives bananas their smell. It is sometimes called "banana oil". That's what gives it such a distinctive smell. It also contains ammonia water which tends to make the smell a bit harsh when you get your nose too close to an open bottle.
I inherited an old Remington Model 582 from my late grandfather and I have cleaned it the few times I've taken it to the range but it's good to know I can give that task which I'm generally religious about after every trip to the range a break once in a while with that particular firearm. Usually I only put a 100 or so rounds through it which will dirty up my .45 handguns plenty but the times I've taken that old .22 to the range, my cleaning cloth barely had anything on it. But it's such an ingrained habit to clean and lube my weapons after every use, I light at least run a bore snake through it if nothing else.
I had a Ruger 10/22 when I lived in Montana and shot at least 10K rounds through it and never cleaned anything on that gun ever and it worked just fine!
GOOD WORK!!!!! I'll still run a snake or a patch down the barrel and check them with a bore light,nothing crazy.The Action is always my main focus.I keep them serviced,yes I do have a few OCD'S about my Firearms but I'm not tearing them down after every outing. IV'E never heard of some of these Myths,MUST BE INTERNET CRAP!!!!!!
I do run patch through the bore two or three times a year. I pat attention to the semi to keep the action from going crazy dirty but even that doesn't get cleaned every trip. The guns gets a good wipe on the outside every time they're out of the safe.
Thanks for this. I’ve been a victim of always cleaning everything after every range day. It’s just been a bad habit
Thanks, I just purchased a Remington 596 and doing some upgrades and adding picatinny, swivel mounts and ect. So I started cleaning it (hadn't been cleaned in years or since was originally bought) was for sure in need of cleaning, but was afraid of lightly cleaning the bore. Glad to hear this because it for sure need a once over.
Funny story from today. Haven't taken my old Rem 572 out in sometime, and my old eyes are getting tired. So decided to mount a $10 "scope" on it just to get a little better target visibility. Was sighting in the gun at 25yd, and could barely keep 2MOA as I closed in on what I wanted for sighting. Ran through 2 whole tube magazines (30 rounds in total), and was somewhat disappointed. 2 shots into the third magazine and it just started stacking. Did the same thing at 50, when I double checked zero. I'm using
Always informative videos. I push a couple of rags with oil through the chamber and barrel after every shoot. Mainly to protect the barrel as I live in a humid area. Never use anything else but oil to clean it. At some stage I may need to use something stronger on the chamber if that fowls up too much. But cleaning it after every shoot at this stage seems to have kept the chamber also rather clean with just using oil.
From a 22 LR pistol standpoint, I used to shoot 50 rounds of 22 through my Ruger Mark II pistol every week. When I was done shooting it, I would just lightly spray it down with some silicone spray (exterior only and not the bore), place it in a plastic bag and then put it back in the factory box and inside my gun safe until the next week. I probably missed a couple of weeks in the year, but I would also sometimes shoot a bit more than 50 rds. That was 2,500 rounds a year. And...I only took the gun apart once a year to clean it.
My old Marlin Glenfield 25 is cleaned each range trip. I only swab the barrel with a patch. I recently inherited a S&W model 48 22 mag. It hadn't been touched or cleaned in 15 years. And it had been fired. It cleaned up to B+ grade..... Uncle Sam taught me to make sure everything was clean, dry, and serviceable.....
I treat my gun like I treat my bum, I clean after every use.
well said sir !!!!!
Just be sure not to chamber any cartridges in your bum ;)
Remington Thunder Bolts leaded up my M&P. 15-22 after about 400 rounds and the barrel was bore snaked with CLP prior
44 yrs ago I bought a Winchester 22lr semiauto and cleaned it twice may three times. My brothers Marlin
Model 60 jammed the first time out if the box and its
Been cleaned lots and still jambs lots.
Nickle trick the ejector pin 👍
Thank you!! I've read stuff in shooting forums that's just ridiculous and God forbid you try to have a conversation to question any of it. Part of why I got out of all the internet arguing forums.
👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸 Top notch gentlemen
I just got a 10/22 at a pawn shop for a song because the action literally sounded like sandpaper lol. Took it apart, good Hoppes treatment and a little RemOil and she's puttin' them together on paper at 100 yrds. Cut down, camo tape stock and all.
Wait a minute, I'm supposed to clean my guns?
Vietnam era M16
Lmao that made my morning
@@pisacenere They only had as much of a problem back then because the goverment was too stingy on the ammo Stoner suggested
Very very outstanding video friends. Wonderful advice. Keep up the good work. Thanks a lot friend. SC Navy vet.
Still watching. Good advice.
I've got my grandpa's browning sa22 he bought in the 60s clean it every time I shoot it and it's just as accurate it's ever been
Great myth has been busted...Tahnks for sharing your knowledge. Greetings from Mexico and the small but growing community of legal gun owners!
I just like keeping them clean. I do an A or B cleaning. A is just clean the action & maybe a boresnake. B is full disassembly when I feel like it.
Needs more controversy. Love the channel 👍🏼🇺🇸
I have personally had a barrel leading issue. Middle summer sitting in the sun and burning up several mags in a row the barrel got hot enough that the bullets were leaving a tremendous amount of lead in the barrel. But I let it cool down and then the excess lead got shot out after a slower fired mag.
I recently aquired a 1939 stevens single that had been stashed away in an old house for decades. I don't believe it had ever been cleaned since new. You couldn't even get a cleaning rod down the bore it was so choked up with old oxidized lead. When I managed to finally get it all out and cleaned, the bore and rifling was pristine! First shot was dead on center of bullseye! Did a light refurbish on the stock and metalwork. All original browning on the barrel.
That’s fantastic. Enjoy that old rifle! 👍🏼
I can tell you THIS:
I was testing various ammo in my full-size M&P .22, so I was watching closely, inspecting the barrel with a bore light, sometimes after each mag. I got to the Remington Thunderbolt. Within 15 - 30 rounds, I took a peek at the barrel, and saw an excess of debris that caught my eye... thought it was HEAVY powder residue, if I recall correctly... nothing a snug patch shouldn't push out.
It WASN'T. It was LEAD, and I managed to get out what I can only describe as CHUNKS (even saved one!). Realize that the barrel usually appeared mirror-finish up to that point, and the Thunderbolt was on track to make it look like a sewer pipe REAL QUICK! A little work with a bronze brush got most of it out, and following up with CCI "Clean .22" (the polymer-coated bullets) did the rest. Haven't used any since...
I I agree with you I have over 100 Rifles and pistols or almost self cleaning when the groups open up I run a bore snake for it the way the bullet goes
Please do a smythBusters or show a fix on the damn Ruger 10/22 BX-25 magazine failure to feed fix. Please.
I have had Remington Thunderbolt .22 led up the bore of two firearms in 1 day. The rifle barrel was so bad that it as 1/3 obstructed. I have never once had a problem like that before or since. I had shot thousands of rounds through both guns with no troubles to speak of. This issue occurred within 100 rounds on each gun. I assumed it was a bad lot of ammo and switched to a different brick of plated ammo. No issues since.
my dad has a marlin 60.. he didnt clean it till I did till like 4 years ago. so 1967 till 2016 lol it still shot great lol b4 and after.
"The Rifleman's Guide to Rimfire Ammunition" goes pretty deeply into this. Rimfire barrels wear from the chamber forward. They get pits from the hard components of the priming compound. A particularly worn tube needs several shots to start shooting tight groups.
I’ve got a Glenfield model 10 that I’ve had for many years the only thing I shoot through it is CCICB long‘s and after about 300 rounds it is definitely a smoothbore and needs to be cleaned with sweets I’ve had this gun for 25 or so years And it’s a rinse and repeat thing
I've got photos of a Ruger SR22 as well as a CZ P-07 Kadet 22 barrel where I had leaded both in a single shooting session shooting a few hundred rounds of lead Thunderbolt ammo through each. Epic pain to clean.
I attributed it to the lead ammo as well as rapidly firing a lot of it. I suspect the super hot barrels softened the bullets as they passed through, leading to excessive lead sticking to the barrel.
Jack O'Connor recommended cleaning the bore of .22 rimfire once a year.
The coating on the bullets protects the bore.
I usually just pull a Bore Snake through mine a coupe times and clean the action. I still have to send 20 or more rounds downrange to get it to settle down if I mess with the bore. The same goes for switching loads unless they are the same brand.
Thanks for showing us how to clean our rifles. I heard its been done once before.
One of those rifles you held up was a Remington 552, you just don't see many of them. I have had one for 56 years
Got mine used in 1971. It was a 1968 with a 23" barrel. Accurate as hell.
I have a 552 I bought at ,14 years old in 1968
Wow 56 years that's fantastic. I too, own a 552 Speedmaster. Bought it used at a gun store 35 years ago (at least) and you're right, you just don't see many of them. Mine is the plain jane (they offered a BDL version with checkering) and is an accurate little shoother.
@@1320pass mine is not a BDL either
Well now that was very informative on how to clean your 22 barrel thank you very much😊
Love my 552 Speedmaster. That thing is a tack driver.
Love mine, too. 1968 model with 23" barrel. Have you ever heard of the trigger getting so dirty (deep down inside where you can't see) that is goes into full-auto? Mine did this in bursts up to five rounds and probably more except it jams. I would pull the bolt back to clear the shell and when I let go it would fire 4-5 more in full-auto and jam again. Soaked the trigger and cleaned out every nook and cranny. Chunks came out. Finally cleaned, re-blued, re-finished the walnut and ready to sight in a new scope. Then Covid hit and shut down all the ranges.
So just run a snake bore cleaner through at end of shooting session and should be fine till end of season then clean good once a yr. is good?
What's most important is keeping an eye on the carbon ring just before the bullet engages the rifling. Periodically, say every 500 rounds i'll attack it with Bore Tech C4 carbon remover, i soak a mop with C4 and let it sit for several minutes. Then agitate with a brush and patch it out letting the residual C4 take care of the bore. A couple more dry patches and it's usually job done.
I always use good quality ammo (my choice is SK+), these bullets are well lubed and pretty much look after the bore without too much trouble.
US SF with the original Mujahideen in Afghanistan were surprised to find most had carried AK's for years and had no idea they were supposed to be cleaned.
Wow, I never knew AKs shot .22 LR.
Maybe a distinction should be cleaning v lubing? I do a light lube in the bore for storage, while cleaning is Hoppe's #9, bronze brushes, etc, or something like that. After 43 yrs my first 22 still has a mirror bore and shoots small groups with a light lube after use!
I run a bore snake through my Lithgow Bolt Action .22lr and wipe the bolt with an oil cloth before I put it away. I keep giving the target rifle guys at my local club a run for their money and have been known to outshoot them with my hunting class, off the shelf rifle. Some ammo leaves a lot of burnt powder but most are pretty clean.
Some rifle barrels, like on the Marlin 60 in this video or the Mini 14 are impossible to clean from the breach end. There's no direct line of sight into the breach, other than using maybe a Boresnake.
Always love the hair. Keep up the great vids!
A spray of CLP down the barrel from the chamber end, then one pass with a bore snake. Takes you 30 seconds tops.
Just do it before putting it away, and you know you have a clean enough bore the next time you use it.
About a year ago I purchased a cheap little Maasberg 702 Plinkster The damn thing keyholes almost every shot! At 100 yards I have more accuracy throwing the bullet then shooting them! Not sure if my rifling is messed up or what it is but it’s horrible! Fixing to sell it and get a 10/22
Please do a psa on sharpening the firing pin on an sks to make it full auto. I've seen a few in the past couple weeks that have been ruined like this.
Great video Steve and Caleb,
Can you please do a video on Bore Snakes? What are your opinions of them? How to property use them? When they should be used?..
Thank you in advance.
JT
I am having trouble getting good groups with high speed ammo with my 10/22 td and my classic. I have wondered if a faster twist rate would stabilize the faster projectile at further distances. With the takedown model a barrel change is as effortless as the ammo changes are now.
And does anyone even make a 1:14 or a 1:12 twist barrel?
In my experience with any 22lr rifle, is a hotter round always equals less accuracy.
@@DaDaDo661 Yep. Me too.
One thing I look at and clean often is the crown. I use a headlamp and a magnifying glass, hoppes #9, a .30 caliber nylon brush (not inside the barrel), and maybe some denatured alcohol to remove the solvent. My CZ 455 gets a little crater built up around the crown, with Federal Auto Match.
Supersonic ammo can be accurate(enough) for 50 yards maybe 75, but as it slows down it goes transonic. I get better groups past 75 with subsonic or match grade ammo.
I have a lapped match barrel. It never gets dirty in the bore and all I do is pull a string with a few patches tied to it through about every 100 rds. HOWEVER, you need to take a bore brush to the chamber before that to keep the carbon from building up in that area. I usually shoot at least 2 50 rd boxes each sitting so my chamber gets cleaned when I get back home and the bore gets patched to clean out any residue. To each his/her own, but if you like tiny groups, keeping that chamber clean is a must. Let it go too long and the carbon gets nearly impossible to remove
I clean the action on a 22 when it starts to struggle to cycle. The barrel just gets a bore snake pass once or twice after I shoot it. That's about it.
Actually, that's about it for all my other guns too! When I see the groups open up, then I scrub them and get them ready for another 500 or 1000 rounds.
I’ve have a nice shooting buckmark pistol that I’ve never cleaned the barrel and have about 4-5 k Rounds through it. But on same note I must clean the action after 300 or it won’t cycle
I used to shoot a lot of CCI Blazer .22LR out of my Ruger MkII Govt Model. After a particularly hot day on an outdoor range, the bore got fouled so badly the rounds were keyholing in the target. I took a rod and tapped it in through the breech end and swirls of lead spiraled out of the bore. I've been shooting copper plated ever since without issues. Just take a bore snake to it about once every brick.
Believe it or not I've got several semi-auto 22s. I strip them down to the metal components not completely stripped (basically just take the furniture off) and I clean them with non solvent automotive brake cleaner I just hose them down then I come back with rem oil and lube in the places it needs to be lubed and doing this for 20 years never had an issue
Great info from people who know their stuff.
I just spray gun scrubber into the action and lube it after. Usually won’t do a manual clean unless I’m having a malfunction
My 10/22 was made around 98 or99...dont know how many rounds through it but at 100 yards the grouping is around an inch or two .....I use a bore snake after every second range trip the rifling is very hard indeed....
Thank you. I have a CZ457, RPR, 10/22 bull barrel and the Bergara B-14. Many say never use metal brushes when cleaning the barrels. True or false? Don’t want to ruin their performance.
Anschutz match manuals recommend not cleaning the bore until 10,000 rounds have been fired.
good job guys
Thousands of shots with my old farm gun a Sears semi auto .22. Never been cleaned nor lubed, still bullseying jacks and squirrels at 100 yards.
I spend hours cleaning my guns. Lots of Q-tips. Just got back from the ocean. Fired a couple hundred rounds from my AR into the ocean. It was fun. Got back to the motel and broke the rifle down and cleaned it. Clean is good. Part of owning a gun.
10 years or more ago I knew a fella who was also a gunsmith who put over 2,000 rounds through his AR-15 and didn't clean it The only thing he did do was run a dry brush a dry patch once down the barrel. And he never had a problem. So that's an extreme case of someone called negligence, and he never recommended it He just wanted to see what would happen and apparently and actuality, nothing happened. But like you said Mr Steve if your group starts to open up clean the barrel
Ho to clean a Ruger 10/22 not from the muzzle? Access to the chamber side is completely blocked by the receiver.
I don't clean my 22 rimfires often, but that mostly comes out of sheer laziness. My 39a gets a swab down every few hundred though.
On my Savage 64f I haver to take my barrel off to clean the receiver so I figure why not clean the barrel at the same time
I wish he had expanded a little bit more on someone possibly damaging the rifle by (he says it at the 0.27 second mark) "cleaning the barrel from the muzzled end and damaging the crown". I wish you guys would have explained that because I clean all of my guns that way. I always use a cleaning rod and go in front and some times through the chamber too. I have a Ruger 10/22 how could I be damaging it that way?
I have a glen field model 60 bought it. Saturday morning
gunsmith told me that if you mess up a barrel from cleaning it, the barrel material sucks or you were using a chisel and hammer. when the gun won't shoot the group your used to, clean it.
I can only speak from experience. I always clean my guns after shooting EXCEPT, my Winchester 75. I just run a heavy oily patch down it. Cleaned the barrel once and it looked great strong rifling ect. Couldn't hit a 4x8 sheet of plywood. 2,000 rounds later I can nail a dime with it at 100 yards, with my fecker scope on it. Just one of those .22's you don't scrub the bore clean on.