Andy Gray has a point, that group England were in should have been a cake walk. USA Algeria and Slovenia, they should have won every game without conceding a goal.
+ephabouyed england are an average team, probably on the same level as those guys algeria, USA, slovenia. England do not produce world quality players and germany do. simple as.
Absolutely *love* Andy Gray. One of the best pundits ever. Spoke *with as* much sense as the late, great Jimmy Hill did. His opinion here is *spot on* , and I cannot forget his commentary during "FIFA 08 PS2". That *still* sparks a lot of thoughts in my mind. We *need* him back on TV along with Richard Keys, another one who spoke sense. *Who cares* if they spoke racist comments, everyone makes mistakes. We are *really* lacking these two when it comes to football analysis.
I like Andy Gray, but i didnt like how he said that Maradona got Argetina "straight through to the finals" They lost 6 1 to Bolivia and qualified in the last game !
England were just not good enough, I was at trafalger square that day and we all were just so ashamed by the England football team, they simply have no passion for their country. At least the England cricket and rugby team play with pride and passion for their countrys unlike the over paid tossers who played in the world cup
@ephabouyed No matter who England employ as there next manager will make no difference what so ever. A country of England's stature should be trying to win a world cup every time. It has been 20 years since England competed at a world cup. English football is obsessed with physical play and is twenty years behind the technical standard of Spanish football . If England starts concentrating on technical football maybe the 5-7 year old's of today will win a world cup in 20 years.
Look I am an England fan but you have to be organized/committed first (square one) before the talents can express themselves (more room). England have missed square one since the 90s. Its ridiculous why they wont do whatever's necessary to win more games, then why play for your country? The real problem must be so deep rooted, that's why it is not easily solved. But in the GErmany game, England had chances but were 2nd best throughout. My honest opinion. Seriously, something is wrong with Eng.
england isn't a world force. we as a country need to get over it and don't let reality be an obstacle. how many tournaments have we won compared to germany, italy, argentina, brazil, even spain?
Poor excuse. It's because why don't develop enough players who *are* even suitable for international level, our system does not get our youth playing to learn skills (our youth culture is *all* about WINNING!), and/or our coaches do not encourage individual skill at a *young* enough age. It's embarrassing that Wales with their population and resources can produce a Gareth Bale and England cannot. Says it all right there. If you took all foreign players out of the English game, I swear it would make next to *no* difference.
@YCSMusic I don't think they're crap but the squad was strange.. Rooney - wasn't fit. Heskey - Useless Milner - Sick David James - Old but probably England's best performer. Upson - Not enough experience. Barry - wasn't fit.
Haha.. And on a serious note, Klinsmann, Löw, Klopp and all those high level German managers are graduates of elite level German coaching schools. They have to be freaking good to be one. And just because their playing careers were not stellar (Klinsmann aside), they'll start doubting their coaching skills too? Typical. England focuses too much on ex pros to be coaches, thereby missing out on knowledgeable non pros who are good coaches and managers. They never highlight the lack of and quality of coaching here in England.
He was just know for his celebrity, nothing more or less. His playing ability was good at the very best. What else could ever do aside dead balls/free kicks?
hmm.. so germany never had an empire.. hmmm.. and germany never committed atrocities in what is now Namibia. And "empire" is why the UK still has a greater global influence than Germany ever did and does. I guess this is why few countries speak your mother tongue, Mein Herr... as for WWII, which colonial interests? hitler never had the power to invade any UK colony.
That's so true. And I am an Englishman. If we *had* won something like Euro 96, I would believe it, but considering the fact we *never* even got to a European Championship final (Euro 1996 was our best chance and we f***ed it up big time), or our only major honour is winning a World Cup when there were no stand out team and the football gave footballers concussions, we are only known on the world stage aside from 1 or 2 exceptions for sheer and never ending failure.
As a German, all I can say about the problem is teamwork. On paper, every Germany team at the World Cup is dismissed as crap and lacking in skill, whilst every English team is hyped up, and yet, Germany ALWAYS do well and England ALWAYS do poorly. Not just the WC but the Euros too! Why? England simply cannot play as a team, a manager who can forge a team will be the only one who can get them to play well. Far too many superstars on the team who think that they're God's gift to England.
Absolutely correct my friend very well said. (I'm English as well haha) We English fans and media are too ignorant to even contend that our premier league maybe the richest in the world only because of the foreign talent it attracts, only a small percentage of it are actually English players who are not world class, not even close... We will never have a successful national team unless we start to render our own league much more English and less foreign than it has always been.
What did English managers do for England? Graham Taylor failed to qualify England for USA 94, Kevin Keegan couldn't get England past the group stage at Euro 2000, Steve McLaren couldn't qualify England for Euro 2008. English managers are just like the players - overrated. Capello is one the best managers of the last 30 years.
Ashley Cole had a solid tournament, and Gerrard played okay. Everyone one else was awful. Barry isn't international class. Same applies to Johnson. He is terrible defensively. As for Capello, I still can't believe how stubborn he was... Crouch should have started in Heskey's place. Heskey worked hard as usual, but we needed a striker, not someone who plays so deep and is as clinical as a defender in front of goal. I just wish we had sacked himafter this. He got it so wrong.
So i guess it has nothing to do with the fact that Germany are simply more talented and that England really are overrated.Funny enough, Lampards, Gerrard, and every english top player has pretty much been at their best under foreign coaches alongside foreign players in the EPL. I cant remember the last time any big club outside of england made a SERIOUS bid for an english player because the attributes of those players and their technical ability was so good that it had to be imported...
Germany reached the final of the Euro 2008 final under Joachim Low whilst England didn't even qualify for (containing still so much of that squad which played in that match) and even than, Germany were still under translation.
England are a quarter final standard team - that is par for the course in the last 74 years. The problem is England don't produce great managers. We've only ever won one tournament and that was 60 years ago and all of the games were played at Wembley and needed a dodgy goal to win that one. Let's stop this cycle of hope and then despair. Until England have a home tournament, a great manager and a great group of players playing a system where they can create chances, they aren't winning anything. 2028 then?
Two right, mate. Both are excellent and know the game from the back of their hands. No bias, just two of the greatest pundits, because they *TALK SENSE.* SO MUCH SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO REVIEWING FOOTBALL MATCHES, NOT WHAT THE POWERS THAT BE WANT TO HEAR. I know they shouldn't have said sexual comments on air, but everyone makes mistakes or a bad moves once in their lives. They were both sadly demonised by the Nanny State of New Labour.
that was my fucking point! We don't produce technically gifted players that can keep the ball and pass it accurately and consistently and we never have done, and btw your comment totally contradicts the previous one you sent me
@RollOnToVictory The English are grossly overrated. By themselves and their media. You can't keep on blaming manager after manager for their basic inability to play.
USA should have beaten England 2-1 and Algeria if they had a striker would have beaten England because Algeria controlled the midfield according to Steven Gerrard
You are wrong... They are just not good enough... Technicaly inferior and cannot keep the ball atall. English team was a laughing stock at times when playing against Italy. Reaching last 16 or quater finals is the best they could in a big tounament with the talent they got. You cant keep blaming the egos all the time. Look into the real picture
You can see that the English learnt from their mistakes and Andy Gray is speaking the truth about what is needed, An Englishman in charge, an experienced player in Gary Neville as coach and a crack down on any unnecessary press involving uncertainty in the camp before the world cup
He mentions Joachim Löw's playing career. But what he doesn't mention is that, Klinsmann and Löw are graduates from the most difficult football coaching education school in Germany. That's how they became high level coaches for their country. Not just playing at high level won't make you a great coach in Germany. That doesn't work. Playing career and coaching career are two separate entities there. Plus they have a nationwide system.
Of course the blame has to lie just as much with the players for not performing. That said, Capello's job is to pick the best team avaliable and he failed to do that. Even when things clearly were going pear shaped and needed changing, he still made the wrong choices. I'll never forget his decison to snub Crouch and bring on Heskey against Germany. What the hell was he doing..Needless to say, I don't hold much hope for the euros. I just hope he can get his squad selection right, at least.
Erm.... Andy....maradona's Argentina got hammered by that same German side 4-0 next... great players don't often make great International managers... maradona failed, van bastern failed.. perhaps Franz beckinbiur is the exception.... Maybe zinadine may prove to be a great manager one day for France
One thing i learned from the USA Enlgand game... was if a team could achieve the talent and gifts of the Brits and the heart and grit of the Americans.... they'd be unbeatable
I do think Andy talks a lot of common sense here, such as an Englishman in charge, who dosen't have to have had a great club managerial career beforehand, look atJoahim Low with Germany, didn't really have a particually great management career beforehand, (only major trophy he won beforehand was the German cup), but look what he's done with the German team, not just winning the world cup, but getting Germany to the minimum of the semi finals at every tournament hes managed at, however I will say that his job has been a bit easier over the years, due to the amount of top quality players that Germany has produced over the years, (better in terms of skill and technical ability), which is something England hasn't produced as much over the years.
or even someone like glen hoddle. when del bosque took charge of spain he hadn't done anything of note in management for 5 years but did very well in the job.
lampard, gerrard, rooney, terry were all excellent players in their peaks. looking at the squad they had back in 2010 that was a massive failure. capello could barely speak any english. who ever is hiring englands managers needs sacking immediately
If some Engerland boss knew that Lampard was an striker, not an striker in midfield, and if Rooney had progressed from his Everton days, it may have *all* been an different story, eh?
@834373 i just applaud him for taking to the pitch each week, he knows everyone thinks he's shit, takes a big heart to keep going, i respect him, plus shows how good we were when our left back and him were our best players last summer.
the point he abouts to make at 2:47 is for me the main point of why we were poor imo, people complain at the lack of passion i think that arguement is complete bull, passion is one of the things our british culture is associated with and everytime our team loses we blame this when really the team and actual football ability on the day wasnt good enough
Yeah English players do have passion but what they lack is character. This game was a perfect example (not to mention the iceland defeat 6 years later!!) Not one english player on that pitch (apart from david james) showed any character or courage to get on the ball and make something happen even when the odds were stacked against us they were just dordling around the pitch when not in possession exerting minimal effort and both players and manager were to blame for that embarrasing performance
people are to knee jerk in england, England have class players but thier is a lack of a team. Example for Chelsea lampard has a team pretty much build around him for england he plays as a deep lying midfielder. Gerrard on the left for england is self explanetary. Rooney wasn't as bad as people thought at the world cup although amittidily he was still poor he should have played in the same positions for united as he does for england. 3 of english best players all playing out of positions says it.
lol.. you realise England got 10 men behind the ball against Italy? And Brazil? lol.. yeah, a friendly against perhaps the worst Brazil team in 20 years. Face it, England is not and never has been a force. I would rate many countries as all time betters - Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, the Netherlands to name a few.
Well it does matter but I think it's irrelevant if they're foreign or not what is relevant is how good they are/their CV, and how successful they are with England.
no, its because we dont have youth system that produces and teaches players to play in the right way, basically if your good enough to play your playing
As Scot Who Give's A Fuck About England. Andy Gray Is Secretly Chessing England Are Out Th World Cup 2010. Richard Keys. Should Stop Sayin We Andy Gray Is A Scotsman And Loving It Behind That Scottish Smile.
Round of 16 is England's recent level of exit. I mean, really, can you truly describe Iceland kicking us out of Euro 2016 as a shock? Iceland beat Holland home and away, Turkey, Czechs etc. We had a fat, passed-it Rooney, a huge Butterfinger goalie in Hart, a up-in-the-air Sterling. And everything else isn't worth talking about.
Typical English media - blame the foreign manager. How about the fact that neither Lampard and Gerrard can't dribble the ball to save their lives or control it in tight spaces with defenders breathing down their neck.
Excellent comment all these years on...I never rated either of them Internationally, Bryan Robson and Ray Wilkins were miles better footballers...The Gray/Keys analysis is rooted in the SKY sports mindset///the problem is the manager, lack of an English mindset (Hodgson)...Never that the English players are never good enough..reason?...You don't slag off your product..
Venables got England to the semi final of Euro 96 at HOME. That wasn't so hard to do. I remember England were very lucky not to lose to Spain in that tournament. Robson did alright but the fact is that whenever England meet a good team in the knockout stages they always lose apart from when they are playing at home.
Venables, in my opinion, was one of the most overhyped, overrated, failed England managers in history. We drew against a mediocre Switzerland side, beat a declining Scotland, yeah, we beat Holland 4-1, but I bet they had a massive fall out on the plane flying over, squeaked past a piss-poor Spain side on penalties and then got knocked out again on pennies to a one-man-band Bierhoff-led Germany side (who were also missing their best player in Klinsmann) and Venables *is* a hero????? For blowing our best chance in multiple generations of actually winning a tournament? When we was at home, never needing to qualify, had all what you could ask for in terms of players' youth/experience/coaching staff and plus there were no other standout teams? That *REALLY* was the one (Euro 96), but we blew it unforgivably. As for Robson, he actually *did* do okay. But then again, he did have a once in a life-time striker in Lineker, a budding midfield maestro in Gascoigne, and a squad who could go toe-to-toe with West Germany at Italia '90, regardless of lack of European competition football. It was the players themselves that begged Robson to change his play and formation starting with the Holland group stage game. Before that, fans and the media were *desperate* to see the back of him. And, like Russia 2018, they had a kind knockout draw.
@@rohithraman6488 What did you think of England's Euro 2020 knockout route to the final (Germany-Ukraine-Denmark). I won't knock, just interested to hear what you think?
@@rohithraman6488 just FYI, Colombia and Sweden in 2018 are nowhere as tough as Belgium and Cameroon in 1990. Belgium had reached last 4 of 1986 and had Schifo at his peak and Cameroon were the quarter final trendsetters for Africa. Definitely the England team of 2018 had an easier knockout route not to mention their first round group was mediocre at best compared to the first round group at Italia 90 which was the best ever Ireland team, Euro champions Holland and Egypt.
@piemanny WHAT???? The Germans were not that talented?? they are gifted players, alot of that squad played in the u21 championships not long before. England have great players too but are too egotistical. They are not a team.
@bighands69 Completely agree with you. England have some of the best players in the world but they also have some players who are completely inept technically and who aren't comfortable with the ball at their feet
*What actual world-class players did England actually produce during this period?* All I can think of is Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick and an then finished Michael Owen and Paul Scholes.
"some of the best players in the world" mate can I please have some of whatever you've been drinking!?! (And I'm actually English btw even I'm admitting the absolute nonsense in your statement) XD
@@creasicle Well I've only just seen it pal, believe it or not there are slightly more interesting things on youtube to look at than just your comments but this one in particular was hilarious even if it was 10 years ago
@@MrAnotherworld23 not for you though clearly. Scrambling around the depths of UA-cam looking for someone to have an argument with. If I was a psychologist I might suggest it was a desperate plea for attention.
Well, they haven't won anything. There's a constant harkening back to 1966, which was so long ago that it's obsolete. England consistently does less well than Germany, despite the media telling everyone that they'll win. I think it's time to stop blaming managers and start players being England manager is almost as bad as being Chelsea manager!
When we: A: Give up 1966 (the media *certainly* needs to), the game has moved on yonks ago, B: accept Euro 96 was *actually* a disastrous failure, (not a heroic/glorious one), there was *actually then* no better time to deliver a title with the players, manager and environment we had but still blow it, C: acknowledge there are not enough English coaches (Iceland have more coaches than us despite had not even a slither of our population), D: stop promoting physic and speed over player intelligence at the age of 10, and E: stop over-hyping every youth player (I mean, stop making every 15 year old England breakout star think they have already *made* it) and also encourage more overseas play opportunities. Maybe *then* we will properly achieve again.
England were out classed and the tatics were all wrong, 442 was never going to work, and players who were playing in the formation made it worse. barry was to slow and the back line was unorganised. need to get rid of the old and bring in some new talent, and a new manager as capello is awful. even when he changed to 433 after the world cup he was still doing hoof ball. england have a lot to learn but as ussuel we never do and alway fail because of it.
We'll back in the days before the Premier League, you guys had shitloads of English players playing in their respective clubs. Yet they still sucked when it came to international football, it's a little bit of everything.
@no1diamondgeezer 1-until 1917 the Allies were losing the war,first in the east they where completely and totally overcome by the Germans,germans then turned their troops 3 000 000 soldiers from the eastern to the western front and with all their power they where ready to attack the western front and easy entering to Paris ,but Americans with 4,743,826 soldiers 50 000 heavy guns and 500 planes totally change the outcome of the war!!!!
england has good players... i get that but they cant play with each other... im scottish and the english will give me hate for this but the england fans dont have any respect for there country... sorry but even rooney thinks that... your boo your home team of the feild... bit sad... so i dont care hate on me but its true..
can you honestly blame the manager? I feel that the players just DID NOT PERFORM! Fabio's mistake was to be too stubborn to change the formation and too much faith in out 'golden generation!' I want Fabio to continue and if he does he should approach it as Dunga for Brazil - no player is bigger than the country, lets bring in all the non famous players because they will have more hunger and more heart! Germany's team was not that talented especially relative to England's side! WTF!
A friendly international with 4 teams. Not really the World Cup or the Euros is it? Just put it this way, if Italy or Brazil or even France had won would anyone still remember it?
OMFG!! thats what im saying we dont have a youth system that develops players in the right way thats why weve never really produced very technical players, that was my point the reson we have loads of foreign is because english players arnt good enough as so get replaced and that all goes back to the youth system. GET IT??
I'm not sure what the players had to be scared of. The outfield players were more or less guaranteed their start, as the squad was so lacking in depth. But they need to feel that they are playing for their place. rooney hadn't played well for a few months before, so he shouldn't have been an automatic start, for instance.
@834373 more like Rooney - Injured Heskey- God Milner - Overrated piece of terd David James- I agree... Upson- Blue Square Premier Standard Barry- Wank
We'll never know I suppose but despite the disallowed goal, noone can argue Germany were lightyears beyond England in that game and even out of that game. We didnt lose the game just because of that disallowed goal we lost it because we conceded a goal literally from a goal kick in the first half!!! And throwing caution completely to the wind after 65 minutes. Germany were very good but we were very shit as usual
@ChamakhhAttackk agreed, Mark Hughes nearly got Wales into euro 2004 despite never having coached a club before. Joachim Loew only won the german fa cup and managed in Austria. No or little experience at club level hasn't harmed them.
Why are they making excuses?
England were bollocks. End of.
Andy Gray, And Alan Hansen, Are Th Best Football Pundits, Ever,
Andy Gray is just a sheer legend. Alan Hansen, maybe less so, but still close.
You know Hansen called the 2010 Germany team "Average" before they gave England an ass whooping.
@@Onmysheet *His smirk soon after.* What else could he say when he surrounded by deluded English pundits and media beforehand?
3 years on we're somehow in a worse position, playing wonder woy playing 4-4-2 with james milner on the wing.. God..
Could someone shed light on why Sky's poster boys were in LA during South Africa? If they were working for a network surely them two would be on site?
Andy Gray has a point, that group England were in should have been a cake walk. USA Algeria and Slovenia, they should have won every game without conceding a goal.
They only conceded 1, but couldn't score against Algeria.
My point exactly, it should have been a walk in the park.
+ephabouyed england are an average team, probably on the same level as those guys algeria, USA, slovenia. England do not produce world quality players and germany do. simple as.
Absolutely *love* Andy Gray. One of the best pundits ever. Spoke *with as* much sense as the late, great Jimmy Hill did. His opinion here is *spot on* , and I cannot forget his commentary during "FIFA 08 PS2". That *still* sparks a lot of thoughts in my mind. We *need* him back on TV along with Richard Keys, another one who spoke sense. *Who cares* if they spoke racist comments, everyone makes mistakes. We are *really* lacking these two when it comes to football analysis.
I like Andy Gray, but i didnt like how he said that Maradona got Argetina "straight through to the finals" They lost 6 1 to Bolivia and qualified in the last game !
And got blasted 4-0 by England's victors Germany here.
He said struggled
England were just not good enough, I was at trafalger square that day and we all were just so ashamed by the England football team, they simply have no passion for their country. At least the England cricket and rugby team play with pride and passion for their countrys unlike the over paid tossers who played in the world cup
@ephabouyed
No matter who England employ as there next manager will make no difference what so ever.
A country of England's stature should be trying to win a world cup every time. It has been 20 years since England competed at a world cup.
English football is obsessed with physical play and is twenty years behind the technical standard of Spanish football .
If England starts concentrating on technical football maybe the 5-7 year old's of today will win a world cup in 20 years.
9 years too go!
Who's here since var 2020 me
bunch of absolute primadonnas.... these players deserve nothing but ridicule... and the nerve to rebel against capello?! rotten to the core
search on youtube "ray hudson england world cup"
Look I am an England fan but you have to be organized/committed first (square one) before the talents can express themselves (more room). England have missed square one since the 90s. Its ridiculous why they wont do whatever's necessary to win more games, then why play for your country? The real problem must be so deep rooted, that's why it is not easily solved. But in the GErmany game, England had chances but were 2nd best throughout. My honest opinion. Seriously, something is wrong with Eng.
Its 2022 and England captain playing under English manager skies a penalty to keep his side in the tournament 💀
When oh when is it coming home?
england isn't a world force. we as a country need to get over it and don't let reality be an obstacle.
how many tournaments have we won compared to germany, italy, argentina, brazil, even spain?
It's because the EPL is full of foreign players and not enough England players.
Poor excuse. It's because why don't develop enough players who *are* even suitable for international level, our system does not get our youth playing to learn skills (our youth culture is *all* about WINNING!), and/or our coaches do not encourage individual skill at a *young* enough age. It's embarrassing that Wales with their population and resources can produce a Gareth Bale and England cannot. Says it all right there. If you took all foreign players out of the English game, I swear it would make next to *no* difference.
Why.does sky give gray his shout he fa punished him
Walcott is technically gifted ? ... you must be insane.
Warm breakfast
Roy Hodgson ???? Are you kidding me ??? couldn't win a knockout game as england manager .
Neither did Fabio Capello, Kevin Keegan, Graham Taylor, Steve McClaren, Ron Greenwood, Glenn Hoddle, Sam Allardyce etc.
@YCSMusic I don't think they're crap but the squad was strange..
Rooney - wasn't fit.
Heskey - Useless
Milner - Sick
David James - Old but probably England's best performer.
Upson - Not enough experience.
Barry - wasn't fit.
steve mclaren sure did well didnt he Andy Grey?
But that's just one example. Look at Terry Venables, Bobby Robson they did well.
Replying to a 10 year old comment 😂
"Maybe try David Beckham" 😂😂😂
C'mon Andy you're better than this
Maybe *secretly* he wanted the state of Ingurlund to decline even more. Being a Scot and all.......
david beckam couldn't manage his own sentences let alone a football team
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Haha.. And on a serious note, Klinsmann, Löw, Klopp and all those high level German managers are graduates of elite level German coaching schools. They have to be freaking good to be one. And just because their playing careers were not stellar (Klinsmann aside), they'll start doubting their coaching skills too? Typical. England focuses too much on ex pros to be coaches, thereby missing out on knowledgeable non pros who are good coaches and managers. They never highlight the lack of and quality of coaching here in England.
exactly the guy is a royal puppet turning a blind eye to chikd abuse for more money abnd more fame
MrAlumrocky id never have Robbie savage
He was just know for his celebrity, nothing more or less. His playing ability was good at the very best. What else could ever do aside dead balls/free kicks?
hmm.. so germany never had an empire.. hmmm..
and germany never committed atrocities in what is now Namibia. And "empire" is why the UK still has a greater global influence than Germany ever did and does. I guess this is why few countries speak your mother tongue, Mein Herr...
as for WWII, which colonial interests? hitler never had the power to invade any UK colony.
yet crap compared to the top countries.
That's so true. And I am an Englishman. If we *had* won something like Euro 96, I would believe it, but considering the fact we *never* even got to a European Championship final (Euro 1996 was our best chance and we f***ed it up big time), or our only major honour is winning a World Cup when there were no stand out team and the football gave footballers concussions, we are only known on the world stage aside from 1 or 2 exceptions for sheer and never ending failure.
As a German, all I can say about the problem is teamwork. On paper, every Germany team at the World Cup is dismissed as crap and lacking in skill, whilst every English team is hyped up, and yet, Germany ALWAYS do well and England ALWAYS do poorly. Not just the WC but the Euros too! Why? England simply cannot play as a team, a manager who can forge a team will be the only one who can get them to play well. Far too many superstars on the team who think that they're God's gift to England.
Absolutely correct my friend very well said. (I'm English as well haha)
We English fans and media are too ignorant to even contend that our premier league maybe the richest in the world only because of the foreign talent it attracts, only a small percentage of it are actually English players who are not world class, not even close...
We will never have a successful national team unless we start to render our own league much more English and less foreign than it has always been.
Take a German coach, even Greece won something with a German coach :).
ha ha the coverage on Sky is crap compared to RTE
What did English managers do for England? Graham Taylor failed to qualify England for USA 94, Kevin Keegan couldn't get England past the group stage at Euro 2000, Steve McLaren couldn't qualify England for Euro 2008. English managers are just like the players - overrated. Capello is one the best managers of the last 30 years.
"You cannot polish a turd", as they say.
This post has aged well...
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Yeah...but cappelo screwed up..playing Gerrard on left...Barry as DM in 4-4-2....they got overrun....plus the goal howler
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Andy had my ear until he said David Beckham could have been a good option for management.
Ashley Cole had a solid tournament, and Gerrard played okay. Everyone one else was awful. Barry isn't international class. Same applies to Johnson. He is terrible defensively. As for Capello, I still can't believe how stubborn he was... Crouch should have started in Heskey's place. Heskey worked hard as usual, but we needed a striker, not someone who plays so deep and is as clinical as a defender in front of goal. I just wish we had sacked himafter this. He got it so wrong.
Did you smash it??
So i guess it has nothing to do with the fact that Germany are simply more talented and that England really are overrated.Funny enough, Lampards, Gerrard, and every english top player has pretty much been at their best under foreign coaches alongside foreign players in the EPL.
I cant remember the last time any big club outside of england made a SERIOUS bid for an english player because the attributes of those players and their technical ability was so good that it had to be imported...
Germany reached the final of the Euro 2008 final under Joachim Low whilst England didn't even qualify for (containing still so much of that squad which played in that match) and even than, Germany were still under translation.
England are a quarter final standard team - that is par for the course in the last 74 years. The problem is England don't produce great managers. We've only ever won one tournament and that was 60 years ago and all of the games were played at Wembley and needed a dodgy goal to win that one. Let's stop this cycle of hope and then despair. Until England have a home tournament, a great manager and a great group of players playing a system where they can create chances, they aren't winning anything. 2028 then?
Andy Gray And Richard Keys, Are TV Gold,
In a "so bad it's good" kinda way I guess. Both dinosaurs.
Two right, mate. Both are excellent and know the game from the back of their hands. No bias, just two of the greatest pundits, because they *TALK SENSE.* SO MUCH SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO REVIEWING FOOTBALL MATCHES, NOT WHAT THE POWERS THAT BE WANT TO HEAR. I know they shouldn't have said sexual comments on air, but everyone makes mistakes or a bad moves once in their lives. They were both sadly demonised by the Nanny State of New Labour.
@@SonicJaneStooge old school men. Not necessarily dinosaurs. Nothing wrong with a bit of banter
Even Italy Andy-yes,they have only won the World Cup 4 times so what would they know?Balloon.
that was my fucking point! We don't produce technically gifted players that can keep the ball and pass it accurately and consistently and we never have done, and btw your comment totally contradicts the previous one you sent me
@RollOnToVictory The English are grossly overrated. By themselves and their media. You can't keep on blaming manager after manager for their basic inability to play.
USA should have beaten England 2-1 and Algeria if they had a striker would have beaten England because Algeria controlled the midfield according to Steven Gerrard
But they didn't you utter Imbecile
You are wrong... They are just not good enough... Technicaly inferior and cannot keep the ball atall. English team was a laughing stock at times when playing against Italy. Reaching last 16 or quater finals is the best they could in a big tounament with the talent they got. You cant keep blaming the egos all the time. Look into the real picture
You can see that the English learnt from their mistakes and Andy Gray is speaking the truth about what is needed, An Englishman in charge, an experienced player in Gary Neville as coach and a crack down on any unnecessary press involving uncertainty in the camp before the world cup
He mentions Joachim Löw's playing career. But what he doesn't mention is that, Klinsmann and Löw are graduates from the most difficult football coaching education school in Germany. That's how they became high level coaches for their country. Not just playing at high level won't make you a great coach in Germany. That doesn't work. Playing career and coaching career are two separate entities there. Plus they have a nationwide system.
Jenson Rajkumar you joined a conversation that started and ended 3 years ago? explain
As a German I know that Joachim Loew is a better strategist than Klinsmann. That is why Klinsmann wasn't a good coach for the US soccer team.
siggi zippan or maybe usa are shite and germany are class
Of course the blame has to lie just as much with the players for not performing. That said, Capello's job is to pick the best team avaliable and he failed to do that. Even when things clearly were going pear shaped and needed changing, he still made the wrong choices. I'll never forget his decison to snub Crouch and bring on Heskey against Germany. What the hell was he doing..Needless to say, I don't hold much hope for the euros. I just hope he can get his squad selection right, at least.
Roy Hodgson worked out well, didn't he? 😅
And now we have Southgate who refuses to select his best team. A true Yes man.
@@sabercrosby8128 We aren't in the same position as 2010
Erm.... Andy....maradona's Argentina got hammered by that same German side 4-0 next... great players don't often make great International managers... maradona failed, van bastern failed.. perhaps Franz beckinbiur is the exception....
Maybe zinadine may prove to be a great manager one day for France
One thing i learned from the USA Enlgand game... was if a team could achieve the talent and gifts of the Brits and the heart and grit of the Americans.... they'd be unbeatable
English not brits
I do think Andy talks a lot of common sense here, such as an Englishman in charge, who dosen't have to have had a great club managerial career beforehand, look atJoahim Low with Germany, didn't really have a particually great management career beforehand, (only major trophy he won beforehand was the German cup), but look what he's done with the German team, not just winning the world cup, but getting Germany to the minimum of the semi finals at every tournament hes managed at, however I will say that his job has been a bit easier over the years, due to the amount of top quality players that Germany has produced over the years, (better in terms of skill and technical ability), which is something England hasn't produced as much over the years.
or even someone like glen hoddle. when del bosque took charge of spain he hadn't done anything of note in management for 5 years but did very well in the job.
lampard, gerrard, rooney, terry were all excellent players in their peaks. looking at the squad they had back in 2010 that was a massive failure. capello could barely speak any english. who ever is hiring englands managers needs sacking immediately
If some Engerland boss knew that Lampard was an striker, not an striker in midfield, and if Rooney had progressed from his Everton days, it may have *all* been an different story, eh?
@834373 i just applaud him for taking to the pitch each week, he knows everyone thinks he's shit, takes a big heart to keep going, i respect him, plus shows how good we were when our left back and him were our best players last summer.
A very pertinent analysis!
I agree glen hoddle would have been a great manager for England but other factors changed that
the point he abouts to make at 2:47 is for me the main point of why we were poor imo, people complain at the lack of passion i think that arguement is complete bull, passion is one of the things our british culture is associated with and everytime our team loses we blame this when really the team and actual football ability on the day wasnt good enough
Yeah English players do have passion but what they lack is character. This game was a perfect example (not to mention the iceland defeat 6 years later!!) Not one english player on that pitch (apart from david james) showed any character or courage to get on the ball and make something happen even when the odds were stacked against us they were just dordling around the pitch when not in possession exerting minimal effort and both players and manager were to blame for that embarrasing performance
people are to knee jerk in england, England have class players but thier is a lack of a team. Example for Chelsea lampard has a team pretty much build around him for england he plays as a deep lying midfielder. Gerrard on the left for england is self explanetary. Rooney wasn't as bad as people thought at the world cup although amittidily he was still poor he should have played in the same positions for united as he does for england. 3 of english best players all playing out of positions says it.
amazing that 2 years on 'mr safety first' hodgson has picked a lot of the players who failed so badly in 2010.
lol.. you realise England got 10 men behind the ball against Italy?
And Brazil? lol.. yeah, a friendly against perhaps the worst Brazil team in 20 years.
Face it, England is not and never has been a force. I would rate many countries as all time betters - Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, the Netherlands to name a few.
I don't think it really matters who coaches England.
Well it does matter but I think it's irrelevant if they're foreign or not what is relevant is how good they are/their CV, and how successful they are with England.
although we aint producing players like ozil
no, its because we dont have youth system that produces and teaches players to play in the right way, basically if your good enough to play your playing
England Poor
Andy "tuck me in" gray and Richard "smash it" keys
As Scot Who Give's A Fuck About England. Andy Gray Is Secretly Chessing England Are Out Th World Cup 2010. Richard Keys. Should Stop Sayin We Andy Gray Is A Scotsman And Loving It Behind That Scottish Smile.
Last 16 = failure?
No.
Sky = Failure?
Yes.
Round of 16 is England's recent level of exit. I mean, really, can you truly describe Iceland kicking us out of Euro 2016 as a shock? Iceland beat Holland home and away, Turkey, Czechs etc. We had a fat, passed-it Rooney, a huge Butterfinger goalie in Hart, a up-in-the-air Sterling. And everything else isn't worth talking about.
You are still in complete denial. Would this months Euros not make you think otherwise?
Alan F-ing Shearer?! Wouldn't even qualify for the tournament.
Simple. Germany > England. But when has simple ever been enough.
Typical English media - blame the foreign manager. How about the fact that neither Lampard and Gerrard can't dribble the ball to save their lives or control it in tight spaces with defenders breathing down their neck.
Excellent comment all these years on...I never rated either of them Internationally, Bryan Robson and Ray Wilkins were miles better footballers...The Gray/Keys analysis is rooted in the SKY sports mindset///the problem is the manager, lack of an English mindset (Hodgson)...Never that the English players are never good enough..reason?...You don't slag off your product..
Venables got England to the semi final of Euro 96 at HOME. That wasn't so hard to do. I remember England were very lucky not to lose to Spain in that tournament.
Robson did alright but the fact is that whenever England meet a good team in the knockout stages they always lose apart from when they are playing at home.
Venables, in my opinion, was one of the most overhyped, overrated, failed England managers in history. We drew against a mediocre Switzerland side, beat a declining Scotland, yeah, we beat Holland 4-1, but I bet they had a massive fall out on the plane flying over, squeaked past a piss-poor Spain side on penalties and then got knocked out again on pennies to a one-man-band Bierhoff-led Germany side (who were also missing their best player in Klinsmann) and Venables *is* a hero????? For blowing our best chance in multiple generations of actually winning a tournament? When we was at home, never needing to qualify, had all what you could ask for in terms of players' youth/experience/coaching staff and plus there were no other standout teams? That *REALLY* was the one (Euro 96), but we blew it unforgivably. As for Robson, he actually *did* do okay. But then again, he did have a once in a life-time striker in Lineker, a budding midfield maestro in Gascoigne, and a squad who could go toe-to-toe with West Germany at Italia '90, regardless of lack of European competition football. It was the players themselves that begged Robson to change his play and formation starting with the Holland group stage game. Before that, fans and the media were *desperate* to see the back of him. And, like Russia 2018, they had a kind knockout draw.
@@SuperTed19021 Colombia and sweden are harder than you think
@@rohithraman6488 What did you think of England's Euro 2020 knockout route to the final (Germany-Ukraine-Denmark). I won't knock, just interested to hear what you think?
@@SuperTed19021 Sure, Ukraine and denmark aren't the hardest teams, but you still need to beat them at the end of the day
@@rohithraman6488 just FYI, Colombia and Sweden in 2018 are nowhere as tough as Belgium and Cameroon in 1990. Belgium had reached last 4 of 1986 and had Schifo at his peak and Cameroon were the quarter final trendsetters for Africa. Definitely the England team of 2018 had an easier knockout route not to mention their first round group was mediocre at best compared to the first round group at Italia 90 which was the best ever Ireland team, Euro champions Holland and Egypt.
@piemanny WHAT???? The Germans were not that talented?? they are gifted players, alot of that squad played in the u21 championships not long before. England have great players too but are too egotistical. They are not a team.
*Were Germany not?* A lot of that squad when on to win the next World Cup in Brazil whilst thumping hosts 7-1 on the way.
What about Gareth Southgate?
@bighands69 Completely agree with you. England have some of the best players in the world but they also have some players who are completely inept technically and who aren't comfortable with the ball at their feet
*What actual world-class players did England actually produce during this period?* All I can think of is Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick and an then finished Michael Owen and Paul Scholes.
"some of the best players in the world" mate can I please have some of whatever you've been drinking!?! (And I'm actually English btw even I'm admitting the absolute nonsense in your statement) XD
@@MrAnotherworld23 way to reply to my comment from 10 years ago as if I'd just wrote it 👏👏
@@creasicle Well I've only just seen it pal, believe it or not there are slightly more interesting things on youtube to look at than just your comments but this one in particular was hilarious even if it was 10 years ago
@@MrAnotherworld23 not for you though clearly. Scrambling around the depths of UA-cam looking for someone to have an argument with. If I was a psychologist I might suggest it was a desperate plea for attention.
Well, they haven't won anything. There's a constant harkening back to 1966, which was so long ago that it's obsolete. England consistently does less well than Germany, despite the media telling everyone that they'll win. I think it's time to stop blaming managers and start players being England manager is almost as bad as being Chelsea manager!
When we: A: Give up 1966 (the media *certainly* needs to), the game has moved on yonks ago, B: accept Euro 96 was *actually* a disastrous failure, (not a heroic/glorious one), there was *actually then* no better time to deliver a title with the players, manager and environment we had but still blow it, C: acknowledge there are not enough English coaches (Iceland have more coaches than us despite had not even a slither of our population), D: stop promoting physic and speed over player intelligence at the age of 10, and E: stop over-hyping every youth player (I mean, stop making every 15 year old England breakout star think they have already *made* it) and also encourage more overseas play opportunities. Maybe *then* we will properly achieve again.
@@SuperTed19021 We're in a much better place than in 2010
@@rohithraman6488 True, Rohith.
@fraddstar he said " scrapes them through to the finals " which you have allready pointed out is exactly what he did
14th April 2006. You have the oldest profile I've ever come across on youtube! Hope all is well friend
England were out classed and the tatics were all wrong, 442 was never going to work, and players who were playing in the formation made it worse. barry was to slow and the back line was unorganised. need to get rid of the old and bring in some new talent, and a new manager as capello is awful. even when he changed to 433 after the world cup he was still doing hoof ball. england have a lot to learn but as ussuel we never do and alway fail because of it.
We'll back in the days before the Premier League, you guys had shitloads of English players playing in their respective clubs. Yet they still sucked when it came to international football, it's a little bit of everything.
@no1diamondgeezer
1-until 1917 the Allies were losing the war,first in the east they where completely and totally overcome by the Germans,germans then turned their troops 3 000 000 soldiers from the eastern to the western front and with all their power they where ready to attack the western front and easy entering to Paris ,but Americans with 4,743,826 soldiers 50 000 heavy guns and 500 planes totally change the outcome of the war!!!!
england has good players... i get that but they cant play with each other... im scottish and the english will give me hate for this but the england fans dont have any respect for there country... sorry but even rooney thinks that... your boo your home team of the feild... bit sad... so i dont care hate on me but its true..
Walcott technically gifted? Lennon? I can't take you seriously when you say that.
*Useless speed demons.*
i say you will not even be in the top 4 a few month from now we will know the truth ...germany will do at least 3rd
@EBIKE100 They did the Coverage for the World Cup for the Fox channel in the USA
can you honestly blame the manager? I feel that the players just DID NOT PERFORM! Fabio's mistake was to be too stubborn to change the formation and too much faith in out 'golden generation!'
I want Fabio to continue and if he does he should approach it as Dunga for Brazil - no player is bigger than the country, lets bring in all the non famous players because they will have more hunger and more heart! Germany's team was not that talented especially relative to England's side! WTF!
a Load of Banter on display here 😆😆😁
Andry Gray overrated
A friendly international with 4 teams. Not really the World Cup or the Euros is it? Just put it this way, if Italy or Brazil or even France had won would anyone still remember it?
At 9:20 one manager would have been interesting as England manager. Sir Alex Ferguson.
why dont you manage england then?
OMFG!! thats what im saying we dont have a youth system that develops players in the right way thats why weve never really produced very technical players, that was my point the reson we have loads of foreign is because english players arnt good enough as so get replaced and that all goes back to the youth system. GET IT??
I'm not sure what the players had to be scared of. The outfield players were more or less guaranteed their start, as the squad was so lacking in depth. But they need to feel that they are playing for their place. rooney hadn't played well for a few months before, so he shouldn't have been an automatic start, for instance.
@834373
more like
Rooney - Injured
Heskey- God
Milner - Overrated piece of terd
David James- I agree...
Upson- Blue Square Premier Standard
Barry- Wank
lol.. look, wake up.
how come in the 1980s, england did rubbish without many foreign players?
admit england is not a "force".
@no1diamondgeezer
In football great GERMANY 3 times(1954.1974,1990) and many times 2 and 3 place -england ONLY ONES AND 1966 OFFCORSE BY CHEATING !!!
@no1diamondgeezer Hahahaahahaahah ,I dont know witch war you won?not shure battles of 1954,1974,1990 WC and 1972, 1980, 1996 in Euro!!! ;-)
if lampards goal had of been given i think england could have won it would have been a different game altogether but that's football.
We'll never know I suppose but despite the disallowed goal, noone can argue Germany were lightyears beyond England in that game and even out of that game.
We didnt lose the game just because of that disallowed goal we lost it because we conceded a goal literally from a goal kick in the first half!!! And throwing caution completely to the wind after 65 minutes. Germany were very good but we were very shit as usual
Germany wins 4-1, Vettel wins in the newsticker a F1 race ahead Hamilton... England, there were better days... :-D
Capello tried to make England Like Italy but failed
hold on he said england dont need a forgeign manager surely thats a racist remark naughty boy
@ChamakhhAttackk agreed, Mark Hughes nearly got Wales into euro 2004 despite never having coached a club before. Joachim Loew only won the german fa cup and managed in Austria. No or little experience at club level hasn't harmed them.
@no1diamondgeezer
Did you watch the finel of wc in 1966? watch it please ,and tell me your opinion,but be objective?
go listen to Ray Hudson talk about the same topic.
@YCSMusic I reckon there are a couple of world class plyers i reckon it was tiredness and no determination
against germany, gerrard a central midfield player played out on the right?
No surprise why england struggled