Great video. We bought our used RV at the sweet spot of 3 years, several conversations with the OG owner, and we feel as good as we can about a used RV purchase. The only shakedown we haven't done is taking it on the road which will happen as soon as the weather clears.
I would just like to thank you so much for educating me about how to purchase our rv. We got what we wanted for a price that allows us to actually enjoy our new rv.
We are going to be buying a residential RV and we’ve realized we’ve only just started the process after 6 months, thanks to channels like yours. (Just found yourself and I love it, will be binge watching your channel with my husband). So much to learn about the entire process and every functioning component. Truly.... appreciate your knowledge.
Uh oh!! We just sunk $84,000 into a used RV and didn't see this FIRST! Dang!!! This guy is a pro, great videos, thank you. We are going to check out the master class. It is also so very pleasant to see a man in good physical shape for a change. Wow, this guy is an American? Makes one proud.
Good video! Thanks. Last year when we bought, the dealer had three of the same units. A new 2020, a new 2019 and a used “once” 2020. The new 2020 was 5k more than the new 2019. The used once 2020 was 3k more than the 2019. The dealer disclosed the condition, and that it was “as-is” with no warranty. I couldn’t understand why anyone would pay more for no warranty. I would guess after watching your video, the dealer basically ate the first year depreciation on the 2019, since that 5k was 20% of price. So where is a new 2019 in the depreciation curve? Does the year star when new models are released, or when the trailer is put in service?
This video was very informative! Thank you! I have been wanting to purchase one and really thought new would be the safest way to go to avoid problems....i have always bought new cars because I put so many miles on them. After this video I am thinking the 3 to 4 year range might be the best. I appreciate the presentation....clear and covered both options well.
Great Information!! We were about to purchase a motorhome and then backed out because Dealer has replaced the oil just to make it ready and it appears to be a new practice to hide any problems from Oil analysis.
Good video, makes me happy with my choice of going with a 3 year old model for my first travel trailer purchase. Able to afford a much better quality model than what I would get new for similar price.
Nearly any professional auto shop should be able to do that - I mean bigger ones (not the corner mechanic). Maybe a dealership, or like a Cummins or Freightliner auto shop...
@@RVMasters This Video is "Gold." I imagine you (should) have a "consultant" or "inspector" business going on or "on the side" as the service would be almost priceless to newbies like me/us when looking at an RV purchase. Best to you in your aspirations! +RV Masters
We had the "opposite" reality of lot rot when we bought our last SUV car. We bought it right off the car carrier truck as it arrived. Outside of the manufacturer's test driver and the car carrier guy who put it on the trailer, we were the first humans inside of it. Only had a couple of miles on it. Is there ever a way to insure getting an RV in as "new-ish" a state as was the case with our SUV?
Very helpful thanks I'll be buying a older motor camper from what I've heard on utube I wouldn't advise anyone to buy anything older than 3 yrs old but I can only afford a really low price one but I'm real expert on engines good overall judge but I hope and pray also that I don't get ripped. Thanks for the video.
I thank you again for help. Because of complications from my broken back, I can no longer use my rock buggy and bumper pull camper. I see that you have Ada county, Idaho tags. I live in Idaho Falls and have the best lava flow for rock crawling. And, I can no longer hook up and set up my camper. So, I need to buy a drive RV with hydraulic stabilizers. I’m an old truck driver that, because of my back, work in the company tru/trailer shop. So, I will never have a gas engine in a heavy unit. I acknowledge that it’s helpful for more people, just not me. So, I’m looking for a diesel, which pretty much leaves me with a class A. I am seeing some in B and C.
Hi. I purchased your training video subscription a few years back. I can no longer access the training videos. Is your site still active or is there a new URL? Thanks.
I wonder how accurate all the info in these videos are now with the rv buying frenzy of the past couple years. I’m hoping the bubble is about to burst and cost comes back to reality. Lol
Hi! I have been looking at RVs to purchase. I noticed that when I ran the VIN on some RVs, it said "Incomplete vehicle". What does that mean and should I not purchase one that has that listed on the VIN? Thanks in advance.
Hi David, absolutely love the channel. Could you or somebody in here chime in on which motorhome including class, would be a good RV fit for 1 person for full-time living? I'd prefer something with a history of good quality and craftsmanship. Mostly just parked in an RV park in Nebraska and hooked up, rather than driving it around continuously. Although there will be some of that but not a whole lot I expect. Don't want a tow behind or 5th wheel. I'd love to hear from you Dave and other folks here who have an opinion on this, thank you.
I have been watching Travato's for 18 months now. The used ones have gone UP in price, not down. The usual formula on that model doesn't seem to be working.
how to you find a good Class A inspector to have a used coach inspected before you buy it and should the buyer pay or the seller pay for the inspection?
Good question...my guess would be off MSRP. You could always check the NADA of one that is a year old and see what the difference in retail prices is between them. I would personally try to go off of a 25% off MSRP to have a safety margin in there and then calculate the depreciation from there.
How do we make a fair offer on a Class A Diesel...2020 at the end of a year vs new 2021? We are really interested but have no idea what is a fair price....20, 25, 30, 35% off MSRP? Thank you
Personally...i would NEVER buy new. Too many nightmare stories about warranties not being honored when needed the most. A good friend that I considered very smart and money-wise bought a new one for 140k and the first year of ownership had it sitting in the shop for over 7 months of that year. They (manufacturer/dealer/insurance) fought tooth and nail against doing every repair. It was insanity and he had no recourse. 5 to 8 year old units for me.
This is actually a very common experience. One of the biggest reasons I put my series together to help show other people. It’s a lot of work to own an RV! Even when it’s new!!
Mondo Speedy If you go on the RV forums like Good Sam Open Roads Forum and IRV2 forum you will find entire sections devoted to people who have purchased ex rental motor homes from Cruise America or El Monte. I counted 300 people who had purchased ex rental units. Almost all were satisfied and had very few if any complaints. I myself am planning on purchasing and ex rental motor home shortly.
& then... corona.... flipped all of this advice on head for the next 4 years or maybe longer years. Not to mention internet satellites coming onboard soon and half of offices allowing remotes for many positions... demand continues to succeed supply. Do we return to this soon - you betcha but this advice is ka-poot right now. Doh!
The 10-years or newer no matter how nice your RV is, is not completely true. All campsites with a 10-year rule that I've run across will consider exceptions and will allow in an older RV that looks in like-new condition. This rule is purely to keep the ratty, old, white-trash looking trailers out. There may be parks out there that don't make any exceptions but I haven't found one and I suspect it's an employee who wasn't properly trained.
well, shoot. I bought an 8K used RV and didn't do any of this.
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new: you get problems that unless you know what to look for you can have trouble because you generally get Jack Shit for warranty, especially if you barely use your RV, you'll never know until it's too late. Think about that for your 20% down the drain
The more videos I see and the more I hear from buyers the more I see that buying an RV is like burning your money. What a rip-off these dealers and manufacturers are!!! At this point I think it'd be much better to stay at a hotel. Smh! What a disappointment.
Was/Is my impression or "takeaway" too. Glad this guy did these videos. Hope more peeps see/hear him, and this vid in particular. It's "gold." (saved, that is...)
Edward Wacasey ...depends on the life style you choose to follow..some people just don't like camping, others love it. RV's don't necessarily save money, but you don't have to eat every meal in a restaurant, and you get to sleep in your own bed every night,......on the other hand, they don't have waterslides, or gift shops...it all depends what is important to you...
Average User .......unless you have 3 kids and a dog, then hotels and meals can get very expensive.😁. But, most of what you say has merit.....most RV's sit in storage lots or driveways 98% of the time, and don't get used enough to provide value to their owners. However, there is a sizeable group of us who like to get out of the big city every week or two and camp by a lake or meadow, and enjoy the peace and quiet, sit around a campfire, etc, etc etc....
@@balsumfractus I am probably one of the unique RV people. I am purchasing a new small Class C Motor Home, less than 25 feet with no slides. My wife and I, being very senior citizens - 80s, like to travel in comfort with all facilities available. We need the Motor Home to go from Point A to point B and then sightseeing at point B in the day time. We are not interested in boon docking, exploring the wilderness, or staying most of the time in RV Parks. We will continue to do what we have always done and that is staying in AIRBnb properties. To some folks that may be foolish. However, many RV parks charge almost as much as AIRBnb properties do and of course you have to put up with all sorts of situations that seem to be endemic to RV parks these days. Of course with no boon docking or RV parks you have no setup and breakdown to deal with. You simply exit your AIRBnb and drive around for the day. Even if the cost is a little more it is worth it to us.
I bought my first 2 year old rv. Never again. It was neglected. Most people do not due necessary maintenance. Tires rotted, roof leaked, floor developed soft spots within 2 years. I will now buy new and do proper maintenance and keep it for over 10 years. I will save much more money in repairs than depreciation.
you can't just make a blanket comment, 20% then another 20% 20% from what, the MSRP, or what you paid? I just bought a new rig. MSPR is $46k. Lets say the avg buyer gets it for $40k. After 1 year, that now worth $32k, and the 2nd year it is $25,600. Is that on trade or sell it out right. Also, I sold my unit for $360 less than I paid for it (NEW - Ordered) 4.5 years after owning it. So a lot of the value down the road is dependent upon what you paid for it. I negotiated my new rig at 37.7% off MSRP.. No way I am taking a 20% hit after year 1 and another 20% hit after year 2. Actually, I probably could have sold it for a at least a $5k PROFIT after taking it off the lot.
Regarding your dealer unchecking the new box and instead checking the used box. You are doing your viewers a huge disservice by not identifying who that dealer is. And hopefully, you reported it to agencies such as the Better Business Bureau and the District Attorney's office.
I probably should have done that, and not sure the legal ramifications at this point. They did "inform" me, so it'd be a hard case either way. I just hope it doesn't happen to anyone else!
Great video. We bought our used RV at the sweet spot of 3 years, several conversations with the OG owner, and we feel as good as we can about a used RV purchase. The only shakedown we haven't done is taking it on the road which will happen as soon as the weather clears.
I would just like to thank you so much for educating me about how to purchase our rv. We got what we wanted for a price that allows us to actually enjoy our new rv.
We are going to be buying a residential RV and we’ve realized we’ve only just started the process after 6 months, thanks to channels like yours. (Just found yourself and I love it, will be binge watching your channel with my husband). So much to learn about the entire process and every functioning component. Truly.... appreciate your knowledge.
You've done a real nice job in making this video series. Thanks for uploading.
Uh oh!! We just sunk $84,000 into a used RV and didn't see this FIRST! Dang!!! This guy is a pro, great videos, thank you. We are going to check out the master class. It is also so very pleasant to see a man in good physical shape for a change. Wow, this guy is an American? Makes one proud.
Good video! Thanks. Last year when we bought, the dealer had three of the same units. A new 2020, a new 2019 and a used “once” 2020. The new 2020 was 5k more than the new 2019. The used once 2020 was 3k more than the 2019. The dealer disclosed the condition, and that it was “as-is” with no warranty. I couldn’t understand why anyone would pay more for no warranty. I would guess after watching your video, the dealer basically ate the first year depreciation on the 2019, since that 5k was 20% of price. So where is a new 2019 in the depreciation curve? Does the year star when new models are released, or when the trailer is put in service?
This was great info. Best I’ve found so far. Thank you for the info that now allows me to properly crunch the numbers.
Going to an RV show and buying it there I saw discounts of anywhere from 20-30% off MSRP. Order in Winter take delivery in Spring.
Great tip about your "almost new" RV. Thanks!
This video was very informative! Thank you! I have been wanting to purchase one and really thought new would be the safest way to go to avoid problems....i have always bought new cars because I put so many miles on them. After this video I am thinking the 3 to 4 year range might be the best. I appreciate the presentation....clear and covered both options well.
"Make sure you have enough fun to justify the cost/depreciation" - words to live buy regardless of what you are buying.
Great Information!! We were about to purchase a motorhome and then backed out because Dealer has replaced the oil just to make it ready and it appears to be a new practice to hide any problems from Oil analysis.
Good video, makes me happy with my choice of going with a 3 year old model for my first travel trailer purchase. Able to afford a much better quality model than what I would get new for similar price.
Wonderful summary, thanks for this
The RV inspection website at 11:55 is no longer correct. Remove "connection" from the URL and it will work.
Where would I take my oil sample to have it analyzed?
THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH for this very informative series!
Nearly any professional auto shop should be able to do that - I mean bigger ones (not the corner mechanic). Maybe a dealership, or like a Cummins or Freightliner auto shop...
I send my oil to blackstone labs. I think they do a great job.
Thank you! Incredibly helpful.
For someone seriously considering living in an RV hearing a "used car sales man" speaking honestly is refreshing.
Omg I'm following you so much good info
David, it’s been too long and I’m glad to see a new video from you. Thank you
Thanks! Been a busy year but it's starting to warm up!
@@RVMasters This Video is "Gold." I imagine you (should) have a "consultant" or "inspector" business going on or "on the side" as the service would be almost priceless to newbies like me/us when looking at an RV purchase. Best to you in your aspirations! +RV Masters
This is a really good video. I wish I had seen this before I bought ours last October.
We had the "opposite" reality of lot rot when we bought our last SUV car. We bought it right off the car carrier truck as it arrived. Outside of the manufacturer's test driver and the car carrier guy who put it on the trailer, we were the first humans inside of it. Only had a couple of miles on it. Is there ever a way to insure getting an RV in as "new-ish" a state as was the case with our SUV?
Thank you for your time and information
Used RVs are currently almost as much as new. I wonder if this will continue.
Very helpful thanks I'll be buying a older motor camper from what I've heard on utube I wouldn't advise anyone to buy anything older than 3 yrs old but I can only afford a really low price one but I'm real expert on engines good overall judge but I hope and pray also that I don't get ripped. Thanks for the video.
Great video
I thank you again for help. Because of complications from my broken back, I can no longer use my rock buggy and bumper pull camper. I see that you have Ada county, Idaho tags. I live in Idaho Falls and have the best lava flow for rock crawling. And, I can no longer hook up and set up my camper. So, I need to buy a drive RV with hydraulic stabilizers. I’m an old truck driver that, because of my back, work in the company tru/trailer shop. So, I will never have a gas engine in a heavy unit. I acknowledge that it’s helpful for more people, just not me. So, I’m looking for a diesel, which pretty much leaves me with a class A. I am seeing some in B and C.
Hi. I purchased your training video subscription a few years back. I can no longer access the training videos. Is your site still active or is there a new URL? Thanks.
They were changing some dns settings. We’re still here. Try again please! Thanks!
@@RVMasters Thank you! Yes, all good now. It's been a while since I logged in. Love your courses. Very helpful.
I wonder how accurate all the info in these videos are now with the rv buying frenzy of the past couple years. I’m hoping the bubble is about to burst and cost comes back to reality. Lol
Is the depreciation calculated on the MSRP or the actual sale price?
Thank you.
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thank you
Where would you go to get the oil sample analyzed?
There are labs that specialize in this. In Houston Polaris labs is one.
Do you have a video what is required to get financing?? Im concerned about credit score and history
Hi! I have been looking at RVs to purchase. I noticed that when I ran the VIN on some RVs, it said "Incomplete vehicle". What does that mean and should I not purchase one that has that listed on the VIN? Thanks in advance.
What advice do you have about buying in this pandemic?
If you're going to live in full time for 2 years is it worth buying new
Has covid changed buying? do you have any info on shopping post covid?
Hi David, absolutely love the channel. Could you or somebody in here chime in on which motorhome including class, would be a good RV fit for 1 person for full-time living? I'd prefer something with a history of good quality and craftsmanship. Mostly just parked in an RV park in Nebraska and hooked up, rather than driving it around continuously. Although there will be some of that but not a whole lot I expect. Don't want a tow behind or 5th wheel. I'd love to hear from you Dave and other folks here who have an opinion on this, thank you.
Exactly how we looked at it, over “depreciation” was just “vacation cost” and the wife really prefers new. Something about used RV “smell”
It's all about the cost!
So...when you discuss financing, can you offer to pay the full price for the down payment?
Thanks for sharing. Like #2
I have been watching Travato's for 18 months now. The used ones have gone UP in price, not down. The usual formula on that model doesn't seem to be working.
RV sales have really increased this year, mainly due to covid, so it's definitely a seller's market. That's why prices have been raising on used ones.
So you're saying if I buy a 10 year old RV, it should be 88% off the original selling price? So a $100,000 RV should cost me $12,000?
Other videos said there's no such thing as a bumper to bumper warranty
how to you find a good Class A inspector to have a used coach inspected before you buy it and should the buyer pay or the seller pay for the inspection?
What's your opinion on the new 2020 Winnebago 2801BHS
The question that I have in reality is taking 20% off what price??? Is it MSRP or negotiated price?
Bon Voyage Expeditions Very good video. When's the best time of year to buy an RV?
Good question...my guess would be off MSRP. You could always check the NADA of one that is a year old and see what the difference in retail prices is between them. I would personally try to go off of a 25% off MSRP to have a safety margin in there and then calculate the depreciation from there.
Wish I could buy a used 10-year old class B for 40% of new. Not seeing it.
How do we make a fair offer on a Class A Diesel...2020 at the end of a year vs new 2021? We are really interested but have no idea what is a fair price....20, 25, 30, 35% off MSRP? Thank you
alot of 55+ rv parks here in florida..i am 53 solo with no children or pets and they wont let me in
Do you know of a channel that walks through various rvs? I seem to just see the same floorplans over and over
Matt’s RV reviews
RVing ing with Andrew
Personally...i would NEVER buy new. Too many nightmare stories about warranties not being honored when needed the most. A good friend that I considered very smart and money-wise bought a new one for 140k and the first year of ownership had it sitting in the shop for over 7 months of that year.
They (manufacturer/dealer/insurance) fought tooth and nail against doing every repair. It was insanity and he had no recourse.
5 to 8 year old units for me.
This is actually a very common experience. One of the biggest reasons I put my series together to help show other people. It’s a lot of work to own an RV! Even when it’s new!!
What do you think about buying a rental?
Mondo Speedy
If you go on the RV forums like Good Sam Open Roads Forum and IRV2 forum you will find entire sections devoted to people who have purchased ex rental motor homes from Cruise America or El Monte. I counted 300 people who had purchased ex rental units. Almost all were satisfied and had very few if any complaints. I myself am planning on purchasing and ex rental motor home shortly.
heee WdaF news.. Ponzi Ponzi everywhere!!... you good!!!...Thanks!!
make more videos
Thank you. :-)))) :-))))
& then... corona.... flipped all of this advice on head for the next 4 years or maybe longer years. Not to mention internet satellites coming onboard soon and half of offices allowing remotes for many positions... demand continues to succeed supply. Do we return to this soon - you betcha but this advice is ka-poot right now. Doh!
Try getting warranty work done by some manufactures. I know of and heard of a lot of horror stories.
The 10-years or newer no matter how nice your RV is, is not completely true. All campsites with a 10-year rule that I've run across will consider exceptions and will allow in an older RV that looks in like-new condition. This rule is purely to keep the ratty, old, white-trash looking trailers out. There may be parks out there that don't make any exceptions but I haven't found one and I suspect it's an employee who wasn't properly trained.
I’m more confused
well, shoot. I bought an 8K used RV and didn't do any of this.
new: you get problems that unless you know what to look for you can have trouble because you generally get Jack Shit for warranty, especially if you barely use your RV, you'll never know until it's too late. Think about that for your 20% down the drain
The more videos I see and the more I hear from buyers the more I see that buying an RV is like burning your money. What a rip-off these dealers and manufacturers are!!! At this point I think it'd be much better to stay at a hotel. Smh! What a disappointment.
Was/Is my impression or "takeaway" too. Glad this guy did these videos. Hope more peeps see/hear him, and this vid in particular. It's "gold." (saved, that is...)
Edward Wacasey ...depends on the life style you choose to follow..some people just don't like camping, others love it. RV's don't necessarily save money, but you don't have to eat every meal in a restaurant, and you get to sleep in your own bed every night,......on the other hand, they don't have waterslides, or gift shops...it all depends what is important to you...
Average User .......unless you have 3 kids and a dog, then hotels and meals can get very expensive.😁.
But, most of what you say has merit.....most RV's sit in storage lots or driveways 98% of the time, and don't get used enough to provide value to their owners. However, there is a sizeable group of us who like to get out of the big city every week or two and camp by a lake or meadow, and enjoy the peace and quiet, sit around a campfire, etc, etc etc....
@@balsumfractus I am probably one of the unique RV people. I am purchasing a new small Class C Motor Home, less than 25 feet with no slides. My wife and I, being very senior citizens - 80s, like to travel in comfort with all facilities available. We need the Motor Home to go from Point A to point B and then sightseeing at point B in the day time. We are not interested in boon docking, exploring the wilderness, or staying most of the time in RV Parks. We will continue to do what we have always done and that is staying in AIRBnb properties. To some folks that may be foolish. However, many RV parks charge almost as much as AIRBnb properties do and of course you have to put up with all sorts of situations that seem to be endemic to RV parks these days. Of course with no boon docking or RV parks you have no setup and breakdown to deal with. You simply exit your AIRBnb and drive around for the day. Even if the cost is a little more it is worth it to us.
I bought my first 2 year old rv. Never again. It was neglected. Most people do not due necessary maintenance. Tires rotted, roof leaked, floor developed soft spots within 2 years. I will now buy new and do proper maintenance and keep it for over 10 years. I will save much more money in repairs than depreciation.
Gas are mostly Ford engine 😬
Do you not make anymore video's
If you buy anything from dealers you rather buy new
So Dave, what happened? You disappeared like smoke *poof*
you can't just make a blanket comment, 20% then another 20% 20% from what, the MSRP, or what you paid? I just bought a new rig. MSPR is $46k. Lets say the avg buyer gets it for $40k. After 1 year, that now worth $32k, and the 2nd year it is $25,600. Is that on trade or sell it out right. Also, I sold my unit for $360 less than I paid for it (NEW - Ordered) 4.5 years after owning it. So a lot of the value down the road is dependent upon what you paid for it. I negotiated my new rig at 37.7% off MSRP.. No way I am taking a 20% hit after year 1 and another 20% hit after year 2. Actually, I probably could have sold it for a at least a $5k PROFIT after taking it off the lot.
Regarding your dealer unchecking the new box and instead checking the used box. You are doing your viewers a huge disservice by not identifying who that dealer is. And hopefully, you reported it to agencies such as the Better Business Bureau and the District Attorney's office.
I probably should have done that, and not sure the legal ramifications at this point. They did "inform" me, so it'd be a hard case either way. I just hope it doesn't happen to anyone else!
@@RVMasters if it's a fact, and you have the paperwork to show it, you can post it. And you should post it!
Sounds like you can’t buy any RV that you can enjoy new or used. Disappointed
Based on dealer buying! He has a false mind set. Screw dealers. Save money, buy fsbo.
An oil sample...really dude..lol
Great video