#23 Holy Trinity for Less than $2,000 Mean

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  • @NoOne-ki3bm
    @NoOne-ki3bm 7 років тому +9

    I just happened to stumble across your channel today and I can't help but feel like I found a hidden gem. Thank you sir.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому +1

      Hey No One, thanks man! Great to hear from you. Kindest regards, Bill

  • @artl52
    @artl52 8 років тому +5

    Yet another interesting video, Bill. I've only watched a few of your videos so far, and maybe you've already covered this, but I'd be interested in your opinion on the extremely high prices of luxury watches today (and perhaps how we've gotten here). Unfortunately, I was not into watches 5, 10, 20 years ago when bargains could have been easily had. When I see Rolex, Omegas, JLCs, etc in the high single thousands or low teens, I cannot believe it, or afford it. I have managed to assemble a small collection buy buying pre-owned - Tudor Black Bay Blue, Omega Speedmaster Reduced, and some nice vintage pieces (Omega, Bulova, Seiko). I've recently added two Grand Seiko pieces (GMT Automatic and a Spring Drive). Interestingly, I don't have a problem spending $4k on a Grand Seiko but resist spending about that much on a Rolex. Maybe I think I am getting more value. Anyway, I enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing.

  • @westleygreenhalf5890
    @westleygreenhalf5890 6 років тому +1

    I've recently turned my attention to Seiko. I find that the watches pretty much at any level are good value for money. I have recently purchased my first Grand Seiko SBGA083, with the Spring Drive movement. I would like to add a Credor in the future, the GCLP993. I am also beginning a small collection of Seiko Presage enamel dials, having recently got the blue enamel version.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  6 років тому

      Hi Westley! Grand Seikos are excellent watches with an outstanding horological feature in the Spring Drive. Well chosen! Kindest regards, Bill

  • @patbackus7668
    @patbackus7668 5 років тому +1

    Hey Bill , I’m having trouble I can’t seem to find anything listed anywhere listed as condition zero I’ve never even seen the term anywhere on joma or on Chrono 24 , they say signs of wear ? What ever that means ? And we aren’t talking about a 2 thousand dollar watch either these are top priced watches , don’t know why anyone would buy a used watch to save a couple thousand?

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 років тому

      Hi Pat, it used to be used because advertisers could not use "new" unless they charged full AD prices, and so 'Condition Zero' became the code and soon savvy watch collectors translated it as 'new.' I see it every now and then, and if it crops up, you'll know the code. Cheers, Bill

  • @ksjdhg
    @ksjdhg 6 років тому +2

    I've been eyeing some older Rolex sports watches, but with each day I get more and more interested in Grand Seiko, particularly their Hi Beat GMT SBGJ 017. Patek is out of reach but this watch looks and acts the part for a fraction of the price second hand.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  6 років тому +1

      Hi TimeKeeper, you will get one accurate watch with the Hi Beat, but it may require more frequent service. It is a beautiful watch, though. Patek is good, but I think I'd rather have a H. Moser at a fraction of the price (...for some models...). Cheers, Bill

    • @ksjdhg
      @ksjdhg 6 років тому +1

      Yes the servicing is one of the things keeping my finger off the trigger. The Spring Drive version (same case style), the SBGE 225, is another one on the radar. I just don't know enough about that movement yet and its servicing requirements etc. The power reserve indicator makes for a cluttered dial but I could live with it ;-) I keep meaning to look at Moser ...

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  6 років тому +1

      Check out some of the H. Moser prices at these two dealers. Both have Condition 0 older models for incredible savings on an Exceptional Horology watch: 1) www.timeofswitzerland.com/en/H._Moser_Cie/watches - you can knock off about $2 of the lowest prices and get something special under $10k. 2) collectorstime.com/brands/h-moser--cie They only have 4 left, but at those prices I'm not surprised. Good Hunting! Bill

    • @ksjdhg
      @ksjdhg 6 років тому +1

      Thanks for the links Bill! I see what you mean.

  • @amintaslneto
    @amintaslneto 8 років тому

    Nice hole trinity clustering concept Bill. You've got a very good point around different types of hole trinity depending of your taste, financials and life style. I tend more for the Patek, Lange and JLC side of the house but the Omega, Penerai and Rolex trio is also tempting ;)

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому

      Hi Amitas,
      Get your Patek Philippe--that's a great starting point. Then, from there, you can build up or down. My own collection tends more toward Vacheron Constantin, but that's my personal taste. I'd really like to add a Patek Philippe Gondolo to my collection. I think that Omega, Panerai and Rolex all have great watches, but I don't think they're quite at the same level as A. Lange or JLC. I'd like to get a Rolex and an Omega (especially an Omega with a co-axial movement), but they'll have to wait for right now. I'd really, really like to get an F.P. Journe as well, and a Vacheron Constantin Historique 1921, but they frown on bank robbery in my town!
      Kindest regards,
      Bill

  • @rezasoheil
    @rezasoheil 3 роки тому +1

    Another great review Bill

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  3 роки тому

      Hey Reza, thanks man! Take care and be safe, Bill😷

  • @dcthomson12345
    @dcthomson12345 7 років тому +2

    My holy "Quintu"... Vacheron, Patek, IWC, Audemars, JLC.. I'm currently just missing an AP and am looking closely at the Jules range... The Royal Oaks do absolutely nothing for me..

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому +1

      Hey Darren, I'm another who prefers the Jules Audemars over the ubiquitous Royal Oak. Good hunting in finding the AP you want. They're a wonderful watch. Kindest regards, Bill

  • @mohammadamin9061
    @mohammadamin9061 8 років тому +2

    Nice video Bill and thank you for such great information.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому

      Thanks Mohammad. Have you decided what watch you're going to add to your collection yet? How about something a little sportier, like a Royal Oak or Overseas or a Quai de l'Ile?

  • @5RustyBin
    @5RustyBin 8 років тому +1

    this a bit of an eye opener for me. I have 24 watches in my collection - mostly driven by a desire to have a watch for every occasion (and restricted by budget). As a result most of my watches were in the £300-£500 range. Recently however I added some Oris's, a Breitling and a Tudor Black Bay, so its definitely heading in the more expensive direction. I have mainly stuck to mainstream brands that seem really easy to resell when I part with them. This has whats put me off buying these more elite specialist brands. Would be happy to show the collection to you for some critique - in meantime would ask do you find reselling these watches (a) easy and (b) do they hold their value ?

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому

      Hi HextyVision! I'm a big fan of the Tudor Black Bay (even though I don't own one). One won the Petite Aiguille in the Grand Prix d'Horlogerie de Genève. As for buying and selling watches, I really am not the person to ask. I collect watches sheerly on the basis of the value they have for me as a collector and their place in the context of mechanical horology. I would not buy a watch if it were a great investment but brought no joy to me to wear and admire. Every collector has different circumstances, and your collection makes perfect sense in the context of wanting different watches for different occasions and having a limited budget. (We all have limited budgets whether we want to admit it or not!) I'd love to do a review of your collection. If you would take photos of each one so that the dial is clear--in focus--and send me the images with the Brand and reference number for each one, I'd be very interested in reviewing them in a video review (See Videos #R1 and #R2 to get an idea). Send the images to: williebegoode@att.net and I'll get on it right away. I'm sure that there are a lot more collectors like you than there are collectors who have $100,000 Philippe Dufours! There would be a lot of interest and feedback that would be helpful to you. Kindest regards, Bill

    • @5RustyBin
      @5RustyBin 8 років тому +1

      pet hate - fixed end lugs and no drilled lugs - this black bay bracelet is all but impossible to remove lol. Oh well seems it'll be £6 at local jewellers every time I want to swap out straps. Not ideal..... will be in touch re the collection (for what its worth :) )

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому

      Hi HextyVision, Thanks for offering to send your collection info! I'm with your about the lugs. The more expensive the watch, the less I'm willing to take a chance on scratching it or bending the spring bars. It costs me $165 for two gold Patek Philippe spring bars! I did get a very good spring bar tool and now I'm more willing to tackle it on my own--reminding myself that the buckle is on the 12 o'clock side and to always work with the watch face down. Check out Video #19, and while you cannot see the struggles I had with those blasted bands (thanks to video editing!) I do have a good spring bar tool. Kindest regards, Bill

  • @Steve-fx6ej
    @Steve-fx6ej 8 років тому +2

    Hi Bill, I think the current holy trinity is a little out dated. I would keep Patek in the trio but would replace AP and VC with A. Lange & Sohne and Jaeger Le Coultre.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому +2

      Hi Stephen,
      It's difficult to say. You might get some push back from the AP crowd on A. Lange & Sohne. Having both a couple of Vacheron Constantins and a Jaeger Le Coultre Reverso, I would definitely not agree. In 2015, Vacheron Constantin created the world's most complicated mechanical pocket watch that de-throwned Patek Philippe's 1989 complication, and their current line of Overseas, and Quai de l'Ile show some giant leaps in movement with their in-house 5100. A "Big Half Dozen" would include Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, A. Lange & Sohne, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger Le Coultre, and F.P. Journe. Kindest regards, Bill

    • @kittenfan
      @kittenfan 6 років тому

      Hi Bill, so you think the new movement of 5100 is superior to patek nautilus? i am interested in the new overseas in black. what do you think? is it worth it over the old one?

  • @rezasoheil
    @rezasoheil 5 років тому +1

    very good talk Bill

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 років тому

      Hi Reza, thanks man! Kindest regards, Bill

  • @neilwade9870
    @neilwade9870 6 років тому +1

    Interesting video Bill. Enjoyed!

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  6 років тому

      Hey Neil, thanks man! Cheers, Bill

  • @ianmedium
    @ianmedium 8 років тому +10

    I love my Grand Seiko. It is the best watch descion I have ever made. Patek quality for Rolex prices!

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому +4

      Hi Ianmedium. The Grand Seiko is an excellent watch, and it is more and more coming to the attention of those who are serious about horology. Kindest regards, Bill

    • @j.r.regenold9094
      @j.r.regenold9094 7 років тому +2

      WatchArtSci My last acquisition was a "less than Grand Seiko" SARB033 that I bought on your recommendation too add something dressy to my collection. I love the watch. Am now saving for a Glashutte Original ... hopefully will buy when I go EU next Sept. Am also going to pickup a Muhle Glashutte Teutonia II ... Love its looks and under 2k.

    • @uyt6uyt5
      @uyt6uyt5 6 років тому

      With Grand Seiko quality easily equal to that of Patek.

  • @Thomgxx100
    @Thomgxx100 8 років тому +2

    Very interesting and informative video Bill. I think Patek, Lange and Sons, Jaeger Lecoultre would do in my book, but as a daily wearer watch guy and collector of other stuff, I like to stick with Certina (entry level) Longines (midrange) and Omega (highend) LOL !!!

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому +2

      Hi Thornxx, 100 thanks. My daily drivers are my Vacheron Constantin Overseas and my Habring2 Felix. I still have no real sport watches--any Omega with a co-axial movement would be nice or one of the many Rolex has--I've always liked the Milgauss.
      In your channel picture it looks like a Leroy logo in the background--is that what it is? Going to check out your channel. Kindest regards, Bill.

  • @grkpano
    @grkpano 7 років тому +1

    Fantastic Video! Great points.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому

      Hey Panos, thanks man! Glad you liked it. Kindest regards, Bill

  • @LordDavid04
    @LordDavid04 7 років тому +2

    The Soviet Trinity:
    Vostok
    Poljot
    Raketa
    However, Molnija might be included too since they were the only Pocket Watch makers of the Soviet era.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому

      Hi LD! Ever since a number of our collectors have included Russian / Soviet watches, there's been a lot of discussion about them. What I'd like to hear more about these watches is what mechanical innovations they might include. Kindest regards, Bill

    • @LordDavid04
      @LordDavid04 7 років тому +1

      There's videos on UA-cam and articles on the web which show the innovations of the Vostok Amphibia divers watch.
      To put it short, in the 60's the Soviets tasked Russian watch makers and designers to make a divers watch that could rival the likes of the 2 major ones at the time, both Swiss watches, the Rolex Submariner and Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. They made 3 key innovations.
      The 3 innovations were:
      - A screw down caseback which eliminated the need for a rubber O ring.
      - A clutch system for the screw down crown.
      - Use of Lucite for the crystal as an acrylic/sapphire substitute.
      Look them up, there's plenty to learn.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому

      Hey LD! Thanks man, that's very interesting. Cheers, Bill

  • @publiusvelocitor4668
    @publiusvelocitor4668 6 років тому +1

    I have to say, settling for the least desirable offering of the "Holy Trinity" just because it bears the desired brand name leaves me feeling a little apathetic. You should get a watch you're proud of, that you really like. If that's true for the elliptical Patek, or any of these, then great- get it and enjoy, but I wouldn't want that, or really any of these. I'm just saying- don't chase the brand names for the names' sake. My favorite watch is by far not my most expensive, nor is it the most prestigious brand name.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  6 років тому

      Good point PV. Take care, Bill

  • @holytiger89
    @holytiger89 8 років тому +1

    the holy trinity for me are girard perregaux, jlc and vacheron constantin!

    • @holytiger89
      @holytiger89 8 років тому

      oh wait,,, lange and GO as well

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому

      Hey Tiger! I'd put those in a top drawer, too. Girard Perregaux just won ad hatful of Grand Prix awards this year. Vacheron Constantin has been creating some great watches over the last few years starting in late 2008 and great movements to go with them. GO....got me on that one...GO? Let me know. Kindest regards, Bill

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому

      Hey Tiger!! Good choices! Vacheron Constantin has been on a roll beginning in about 2008 with their 4400 movement and this year with their 5100, and Girard Perregaux won a hatful of Grand Prix awards this year, Glashütte Original is definitely an up and comer; all with their own in-house movement and excellent pricing. Their Senator Automatic 39-59-01-02-04 in steel is a great buy I think. (Of course I'd have to add Habring2 is we're talking about reasonable prices and in-house movements!) Nice picks. Kindest regards, Bill

  • @nickkendall3764
    @nickkendall3764 5 років тому +1

    Breguet seiko and what i build .bet no one elce has the same HT as me

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  5 років тому

      No Nick, you are truly unique in that respect. Cheers, Bill

  • @thewatchcat8178
    @thewatchcat8178 7 років тому +2

    Where have you been all my life Bill?? A really interesting idea you explored here. Looking forward to watching some more.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому +1

      Hey Time Talk, thanks man! What kind of watches do you collect? New ones? Vintage? High horology? Just watches! Welcome to Watch ArtSci. Video #77 has just been published here! ua-cam.com/video/ZSCwsSc66cM/v-deo.html Kindest regards, Bill

    • @thewatchcat8178
      @thewatchcat8178 7 років тому +1

      WatchArtSci I can never really bring myself to purchasing a new watch. I try and get things from the late 60s to early 80s. Started off with a few watches gifted from my dad. Which are all military issue tool watches. I've been buying vintage skin divers myself. I'm a speedmaster fan boy too. I have also recently taken a liking for vintage Cartier. So you could say everything and anything. It's lovely to see an entertaining and educational channel. You are doing something different from everyone else. Keep up the good work.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому

      Hey Time Talk, I'm with you about buying new.....well, at least buying new at full MSRP! I'll take a Condition 0 over a new any day! Also, when I buy used, I generally like to find something that costs a fortune new and then drops like a rock so that when I buy it, it's in a different income bracket. If you're a Speedmaster fan boy, that's cool, but do temp yourself with a bit of high horology...may I suggest checking out some pre-owned Jaeger-LeCoulres...Kindest regards, Bill

  • @yashara1e
    @yashara1e 4 роки тому

    Awesome video

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  4 роки тому

      Thanks, Yashar! Take care, Bill

  • @ras.4913
    @ras.4913 6 років тому +2

    Every watch collection needs a Casio G-Shock. 2¢

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  6 років тому

      So that's what my collection is missing! Thanks, Bill

  • @walterlee4796
    @walterlee4796 8 років тому +2

    " a gwee. door" or "eggwee - door" for aiguille d'or translation or transliteration is golden needle in this case "golden hand" obviously meaning the watch hands ( my sister helps my rotten french, she is a daily speaker and just returned from France) any way you are making some really great content and I look foward to the next vid " a plus tard"

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому +1

      Please thank your sister for me. When it comes to French, German, Swahili or any other language, I use phonetics, which (of course) leaves out the nuances that make the language sound like it's supposed to. If your sister will help one more time, she has the honor of being the Official Watch ArtSci Translator...an honor not bestowed lightly!

    • @walterlee4796
      @walterlee4796 8 років тому +1

      +WatchArtSci well hell Bill I'm not bad but she does confirm or correct, anyway I'm glad to be of help, Keep 'em coming!

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому

      Walter, don't think I don't appreciate your help! I do. However, your sister does/did live in France...Thanks again, man!

  • @MrAstroshot
    @MrAstroshot 7 років тому +2

    Good video

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому

      Hey Michael, thanks man. What kind of watches do you collect? Kindest regards, Bill

  • @Genegenedtb
    @Genegenedtb 6 років тому +1

    next time you see a mens Patek for 2K let me know. lol

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  6 років тому

      You bet! Right after I buy it! Cheers, Bill (that's a 2k mean...)

  • @marioerceg2161
    @marioerceg2161 8 років тому

    Rolex Explorer 114270
    Breguet Type XX Aeronavale
    Patek Philippe 5022J
    +Seiko SRP777K1 for acting as a frugal James Bond
    Cheers

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому +1

      Hi Mario. That's a robust set of watches. An Officer's Calatrava (for date night), a black dial Explorer, black dial Breguet (steel I'd think for this set), and a black dial Seiko. This set is definitely for the man of action and mystery, and the Seiko is perfect for fighting those pesky ninjas--and affordable to replace! Thanks, Bill

    • @marioerceg2161
      @marioerceg2161 8 років тому +1

      Very well put together Sir!
      Every one of them has some instantly eye-catching detail.Explorers matte dial and mercedes-styled hands, seiko's 70's-inspired Greg Brady robustness,Breguet's quote-on-qoute European chic stlye and Breguet numerals and porculan dial of the Calatrava,forever a classic,gentleman's pick ;)
      All the best!
      Mario,Croatia

  • @fayssalk
    @fayssalk 7 років тому +2

    i love you man!

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  7 років тому

      Hey Fayssal, thanks man!! Tell me a little about the kinds of watches you like. Kindest regards, Bill

    • @kellyrobinson550
      @kellyrobinson550 6 років тому

      Gay😱

  • @tazlanomada6663
    @tazlanomada6663 8 років тому +1

    Try a grand seiko

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  8 років тому

      Hi Taz, check out our new video (#28)--you're prescience! The Grand Seiko was one of the recommended watches under $5k. We'd be interested in learning more about the GS if you've been wearing one! Kindest regards, Bill

  • @youngalwyn1124
    @youngalwyn1124 6 років тому

    You could say, "Please support this channel so I might be able to afford medicine for my sick parakeet."

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  6 років тому

      Hey Young, it's too late for the parakeet...Cheers, Bill