I find a weird enjoyment in people realizing how greedy and careless companies are lol. It’s like glass shatters and the value you see in certain things shifts pointing you towards brands and things you wouldn’t have noticed or invested in otherwise.
This is great info to have when walking into the boutique! I think the confidence that comes with buying directly from the boutique is at risk here, if you can’t even trust Chanel to sell quality Chanel product…who can you trust? I will definitely be scrutinizing my future purchases and if the SA doesn’t like it, I guess it’s time for a new one! At these prices the bags should be doing your cleaning and laundry, not causing undue stress… Thank you Dacob for another informative video! 💕
To be honest I think it applies across other Luxury brands like LV as well, the shocking decline in quality with LV had caused me to stop purchasing online. It's the hypocrisy that LV blacklists you if you return too many items for refund/exchange yet they seem to not be accounting for the shocking amount of poor quality products they're putting out. Even in store you can tell the inconsistencies in quality of an SA bringing out 2-3 items of the same product.
@@natl0426I agree with you their quality for some bags declined many years ago, also prices for basic designs are absurd, i wouldn’t buy any style that has edging ever again due to cracking issues. but in defence of LV, there are disgusting ppl who try to take advantage of return policies and will actually wear a bag for a week, then return it. I’d be pretty pissed after paying aud$4,000 for a bag from a store if I noticed it had been used. I can imagine the types who try to get away with shady behaviour so SA’s must be on the lookout for dishonesty with certain types of customers.
Very interesting video. I think if enough people flag this issue Chanel will look into it. Remember back in the late eighties’ sticky bag’ ? They were bags that were made with cheaper production and after a while, sometimes even years the whole of the inside became so sticky. Chanel exchanged them immediately. At first giving a store credit then later having like for like bags in the stock room to exchange them with. Sometimes it was years before you discovered your sticky bag. They even had a button on the computerised tills to put the sticky bag through the system. Hope this makes sense
I am still baffled by this subject. I wonder how Chanel will respond to this. Seems like a PR nightmare to me. Dacob, you are the real MVP ⭐️. You are a gem 💎.
I'm only 16 minutes into the explanation, but, can I say this, if you're going to price your items with exorbitance, at least be consistent!!! Luxury brands talk about "meticulous craftmanship", "exceptional detail"...well then show it! LOL Show me the consistency
You are not crazy! Thank you for pointing out these inconsistencies. I'm with you. What the heck is going on with chanel? I wouldn't buy a CF without carefully examining it. 😬
You make a GREAT teacher! I have watched you since you had short blonde hair and talked about perfume which i have learned sooo much from watching your timeless treasure trove of videos! High quality content all the way!
Thanks, Dacob, for doing all this work. For their bags' prices, Chanel must have consistent and strict quality control. There's no excuse to any sloppiness. And, us, consumers have the duty to make them know that we deserve better.
Thank you for an insightful content. I always buy the bag from boutique. Therefore, I never ever pay attention to these small details. Now, I need to consider my trust and my love for Chanel. As my last visit at Chanel boutique, how the SA treats the bags (aside of how they treat me 🤷🏻♀️, whatever) I do not feel luxury at all! More than anything, Chanel should ask you to be their brand ambassador! Xoxo 😘
Dacob you started a revolution! Every one of your followers that own a CF will now be having a closer look at their bags. Great pick up and thanks for the valid info.👏🏼
One thing I’ve noticed on the classic flaps is the noticeable difference in dimensions on the same size flap. It irks me even though I know it’s just 0.5cm up to 1cm off the standard. Two medium flaps side by side and I can see that one is more boxy shaped with more height and one with more length and less height and looking a lot more “rectangular” shaped. And it’s not due to stuffing or how it’s positioned. It’s to do with the stitching of the top flap and how far the bottom quilts are stitched into the base of the bag. I know it’s too much attention to detail but once I’ve seen it I can’t unsee it. Both bags from boutique. One is mine, the second is my friends. Both black caviar GHW medium and bought 2 months apart. I think definitely QC issue.
Like many of us, I am so disappointed. We are expected to pay more and more each year for these bags, and yet, we have to accept lesser quality and check every bag before purchasing. Consumers shouldn’t be the ones performing quality checks on luxury items. Since lockdown began in March 2020, we have experienced FOUR price increases, and so many of us have continued buying these bags cause we love and value the brand. Like you, Chanel will always hold a special place in my heart that no other fashion house can fill. I will do my part by not buying anymore of their bags for at least a year. Like you have said before, maybe if enough of us do the same, they will reevaluate their production and insane price increases. I have wanted to focus more on ready-to-wear anyway, so this is just giving me more motivation. Thank you so much again for another thoughtful and well-informed video. This community wouldn’t be the same without the Fashion Bunker. ❤️
I've seen this a lot in fashion industry and in the makeup industry where the company this case Chanel their factories own some percentage or all rights to their pattern ( or formulas) .. so for some reason if Chanel had to break ties with their manufacturer, even for a short amount of time, where that manufacturer own some rights to that pattern they would have to slightly tweak or change the pattern... all of this is more common in the makeup industry where manufacturers own formulas but it does apply to a lot of the manufacturing industry as a whole .. for example L'Oreal factories owns formulas for about 70% of the makeup/skincare industry
New merch idea - ' THATS NOT A POCKET' hahaha - I CERTAINLY dont use that pocket for anything. Hey Dacob - thank you so much for discussing this insightful, interesting and also very concerning topic. It IS CONCERNING that there are inconsistencies. Authentication can only happen defining what is consistent. I hope this is a developing topic on your channel. I really enjoy your content, it is critical and informing. Being a fashion student/lover, I want to learn and be informed. I am trying to not consume as much mindless youtube fashion content anymore. Too many unboxings, and 'commentary' from mindless people. Thank you x (you and your community are really helping me right now, means more than you know)
Thank you to help me to make my mind and no spend my money on Chanel. Every time I’m thinking about buying one, something happens to remind me why I haven’t bought one yet!
I think you would be a great added value to Chanel, if they will hire you! You seem to do a better job than them! Keep up the great work, D! You’re always amazing ❤️❤️✨
Super fascinating! Seems like Chanel just doesn’t care anymore. The rich kids and fashion influencers don’t care about these aspects, so Chanel goes like “Oh, no need to pay attention to the stitching, then. Perfect! That means a significantly lower number of sub-par bags that before, we wouldn’t have been able to release to the boutiques to be sold.”
Wow, I just checked my own photos I’ve taken in the boutique lately and all the lambskin smalls have the extra stitch!! Surprisingly not in the caviars tho. I’d love an official statement from Chanel on this
Such interesting information! Counterfeiting is my first guess. You would think they would have TIGHT control over who manufactures the bags and have exacting standards as their reputation was built on it and depends on it. Very enlightening video.
Omg thanks for pointing out the non-pocket space and couture stitching. I very recently bought a vintage classic flap and was using that space for small paper items. Already removed them and will not touch that space ever again :0 Also, thanks for teaching us about the diamond stitch differences. I couldn't pinpoint why I thought the small bags looked funny to me compared to the medium ones, and those cross stitch differences completely explained why.
This is why Chanel refers to bags as the “old” medium which is now called “medium/small” and “new” small or “new” medium... 🙄🙄 🤦🏻♀️ Their inconsistency is appalling. This is why I want to seek out the classic flaps in VINTAGE condition. The best place for bags is Japan! (I consider vintage 40-50 years old, not 20). You cannot compare lambskin now and lambskin from 1980. I prefer the flat quilting over the puffy! ..and that 24k yellow gold hardware? 😋
Thank you for this very informative video! Just bought my first Channel Classic flap, small, pre-loved and it looks just like yours. Never thought about the stiching before. But anyway, I am super happy with my purchase 🥰. TaKe care 🌼
Wowwwww the inconsistency with the stitching on the CF bags. 😨 I just got a rectangular mini, my first lambskin bag. 😅 it’s nice that it’s fully made in leather inside & out. 🖤 the chip sticks out in the bag & can scratch my SLGs. 😓 thanks for sharing ur knowledge my love. 🙏🏼❤️😘Sandy
I’m researching to get a vintage classic flap… I really want the quality from the 90s, the story behind it and giving a classic Chanel a second life… and especially now that there’s so many issues with quality and consistency…. Makes vintage even more appealing ❤️ again and always… loved this video Dacob xxx
Makes it hard to authenticate on the resale market. I would like a classic flap but I don’t really want to buy in store because of quality issues and now on top of that their classic bag is inconsistent?! The whole point of a classic bag is it stays relatively the same throughout time. That’s what makes it classic and timeless. Classic design is about the heritage of the brand. They are diluting and devaluing their own brand. It is really sad that a super fake is better at making their own bags. SMH. 🤦♀️
You can still buy authentic bags from reputable resellers. You may not save money but you will be able to get exactly what you want. I am advising all my fellow Chanel lovers to watch out for this now. I personally wouldn’t want to buy a small classic flap with the corner cross stitch. 😔
Hello Dacob, I was told that even when production moved to Asia for some luxury houses some years ago, the samples were always produced in Europe and sent to Asia to ensure no issues because samples are the most difficult part. I live in China and i can tell you Chinese can manufacture a bag to the detail. Their own chinese writing is all about details so they are great at attention to details. Hence, I dont believe that is the issue. In my opinion, this is either a super fake issue or a Chanel QC problem, but if the latest, it is a huge F*** up lol
Yes in all levels of garment manufacturing it's good practice to send two sealed samples. One the factory opens to use as a reference for production and the other stays sealed in case there is a QC problem when the shipment is received by the brand. I think it's a Chanel QC problem.
This is really good content. I hope Chanel’s spokes person reaches out to you. Or maybe Chanel really doesn’t care anymore like you said these bags sell themselves. I’d love to see us take a stand or for them to at least acknowledge what they’re doing. I love Chanel but when I see that the quality is lacking I just don’t know why I continue to love it. ❤️🩹
Ppl who buy bags just for show off even don't notice such moments. I am so glad you made this video, it makes me to think twice...or again and again... before buying. Omg...
This is a great video. This is the kind of video I think of when I think about your channel. Thank you so much for the research and effort you out into your videos and sharing this kind of content with us.
I’m devastated now. I think it’s a “Summer-collection-caviar-issue” predominately. My caviar yellow(20s), white and light green/ turquoise smalls (21s), all three bought in the boutique (preordered and no returns because my SA showed me freshly unboxed) have the extra stitch 😩 crazy! The 21a is stitched “normal” again and I didn’t even realize. By the way all three made in France.
That’s exactly what I thought it was. It is a seasonal situation. I bought two bags on 21A and both have the consistency and characteristics of the small and medium. I bought a mini on 21S so I can’t check but I will look into the second market for that season and see;). Congrats on all your bags!
And if they are not Ok? What then? They gonna try to silence me for asking legit questions? I would make a video about it immediately to alert everybody of silencing methods... 🤷🏻♂️
@@SuperDacob These companies are getting crazy these days. Not the company itself, but overarchiving individuals inside of the firm who over-identify with the work and start taking it personally could trynna come for you. What I rather meant to say was, I hope they can find the same appreciation for your criticism as the one that is obviously present here in our Bunker sphere. 🙏🏾
I imagine someone from Chanel has watched it and they are not going to comment. Why would they? They can’t sue if it’s true and why would they mention it on website
Wow!What an investigation, Dacob,thanks! This is HUGE! We, customers, spoiled all of the brands by buying and buying. Unlimited consummation leades to the quality issues. Brands don‘t care, people gonna eat even s%[t with the logo, why bother, just tell it’s handmade and the problem solved. So agree with you, Dacob, at least give us consistency for that price! And of course you’re not crazy, those details are super important! Details are always important!
Wow this quilting is really interesting. I looked at the classic medium flap that I’ve been eyeing and had a photograph. It’s indeed w/o the quilting at the bottom, but the photo in the website have. Glad haven’t bought one yet but it’s my dream bag. Thanks ♥️
You're absolutely right. It's a part of quality to be able repeat the same thing milion times in the same way and have consistent and stable output. That should not happen. I'm now so interested to discover what is behind that mystery 😱
Oh my goodness! This is the first video of yours that I have watched (so far! I’m off onto your others next haha) and so I don’t know your background. HOWEVER, you are so knowledgable!!!! I think you know more than all of the SA’s combined! I’ve just purchased a new small black lambskin classic flap (yesterday) from the Harrods boutique in London, and thank goodness it does have the usual stitching pattern! Lack of cross stitch on the bottom. I’d never even considered someone returning “fakes” as you’d assume that the store would be able to tell! This is scary! Either way; possible fakes in circulation or lack of consistency in production is appalling! This is the case no matter how much money someone spends on a bag, it’s all relative! But now they’re all over 5k in GBP..... and still rising... insane....
The stiches you talk about at 46:15 is where I had a quality issue on my Jumbo that I bought in 2019 (made in Italy (I know, we don’t like made in Italy classic pieces in the fashion bunker, but I was too impatient back then)). After having worn the bag only 3-4 times, the stitching came loose on one side and Chanel had to send the bag off to France for repair. Quality control has loooong left the chat when it comes to Chanel.
Honestly after watching this vdo, I went crazily checking all the small flap photos I could find and then found a lot of vintage small double flap has extra stitch. I’m relieved now. I have never pay attention to the bottom stitch as I always count the complete stitch (6-mini, 7-small, 8-medium).
This video has nothing to do with the vintage small bags and I clearly stated that in the video. This video is only referencing the standard used for the current modern version of the small double flaps and mediums. The highest standard is without the stitch, for their carryover smalls. Seasonal ones are the ones that seem sourced out to other factories and made more hastily and with inferior precision to save some money in production. Vintage smalls were very different to the smalls made since 2009 and onward so it is not correct to compare the vintage ones which had a totally different standard to the newer ones. But I repeat, I said that in my video.
Thank you for such an entertaining dinner talk. We sat in the yard and followed along. You hit my first suspicion last! A mass swap out of fake goods being sold under the radar or even more seized goods being sold in boutiques? Even more interesting questions posed about components made to order and then assembly elsewhere. What annoys me most is the burgundy inside pocket. Personally I Love an all the way through comorway.
Thanks so much for the content. Great information. Even if the pieces are authentic and aren’t indicative of quality control issues; the inconsistencies are problematic. I want my first CF to resemble Dacob’s lol. I wonder if the powers that be at Chanel even consider potential customers such as myself; very willing to become a customer but have serious concerns. I do have one piece but was looking forward to other purchases. This is not alright and needs to be addressed. So grateful that you do what you do.
I was in Paris last week and went to Chanel with the intention of purchasing the gray mini flap. There was only one bag left in the store and in all of France at the time. However, I still did not buy the bag. The flap was not even. It was visibly crooked on the left side and the stitching on many of the quilts was lose. I was shocked. Then I learned that the bag was returned that morning, which further affirmed my decision to pass on the bag. I was very surprised and disappointed that Chanel would deem this bag sellable in the condition that it was in. Big thumbs down from me!
The quality of Chanel bags 💼 is definitely going downhill over the years however the price is continue to going up. You might as well just buy the dupes….save a lot of $ and not worry about it. Dacob, you would be a great quality control if you work for Chanel.
Actually a major cause of concern - I will whoever thinks you’re crazy to bring this up - hopefully you will not find flaws in WoC , Mini Square & Boy which I own 😱😱😱...much ♥️♥️♥️from Manila...un nerving....
if chanel confirms that different stiching version is also authentic which may be excellent to own it cause those are really limited. Price may go higher than normal ones!!!
Rare does not mean better quality. The cross stitch versions seem to have been made from pre stitched hides which is by far not as luxurious and time consuming to make as the custom stitches which they advertise on their website.
On the second thought the fakes are having more consistency and believe me they are flawless. They are so well made that even Chanel can’t tell if it’s a fake and they are a 3rd of the price.Someone is switching them straight from the boutique.🤣😱🤑
Ok…just bought a black lambskin small double classic flap with the rose gold hardware. The picture she sent me had no stitching at the bottom. This is the 21B. I will check it out when I receive it…probably Thursday. Will send you all an update! 🎯
I just bought a classic small double flap bag in caviar two weeks ago. It has cross stitch. Love it. I think it looks better with the cross stitch. It looks more symmetrical. Just my humble opinion.
I know one of the signs of authenticity is number of stitches. So i fully agree with you this is a quality issue. Many vloggers complain from Chanel quality, so not surprised at all. I am also put off from Chanel already even though i own one.
Yes. It a lot off ppl feel that coach is a cheep brand. My mother & aunties have Gucci & coach bags from before I was born and are still in good condition.
@@sherrainemonee8007 I have my grandmother's old Chanel bag and it's good quality don't get me wrong however, the quality today is not matching the price not when my vintage coach bags are made just as great if not better. I have two YSL and five LV, two Gucci bags and a Dior and definitely my six vintage coach bags are just as well made in fact with the same quality as my Hermes bucket bag! I'm currently looking for only vintage and have a Cartier on my wish list. I do see more and more people turning to the vintage Coach bags and just wondering if Super Dacob has considered it since so many people are. There's a whole community on YT of vintage Coach lovers.
I know I may get laughed at, but has anyone looked at the Tory Burch Lee Radzwill line, at their Double version. I was shocked! I have Chanel, Dior, Gucci, Fendi, LV and Burberry and I feel that the Lee Radizwell line from Tory Burch is almost neck to neck. The price in USA for the small starts at over $800 and for the regular size (large) it is over $900 on up to over $1k. I bought 1 small and 2 "large" and love the quality and craftsmanship. There is a petite size too. I own 1 but in that size the quality and style doesnt stand out. People are shocked it's from Tory Burch. I love there is no big logo...it's hard to see and totally comes across as high luxe in the larger sizes (not in the petite imo)
Your shirt looks lovely, Dacob! The pattern and shade are stunning! I don't suppose you could share which one it is 😺P.S. you're not crazy, this inconsistency just shows that chanel are saving money and don't care about heritage. Well done for spotting it!
I always get fresh /unopened bags from Chanel.. To do that I always like to be on reserve list before the store get the bags I like… most specially for classic. Now I am waiting for my medium classic that they will get on July 17, 2022.
I just got a vintage small classic flap. Checked the bottom and yup, it doesnt have the bottom corner stitch. This bag is from 1984/1985. Thank you for this information!!!!
It has been 2 years and I checked some sites online and the detail appears to be all over the place and not consistent at all anymore. I am looking at sites that show all four sizes small, medium, jumbo and Maxi.
Can you imagine having that bag and taking it in for service and the Channel employee saying it’s either not authentic or that it’s been “altered” and they can’t service the bag! I would be mortified! Or later in life you decide you want to pass it on and sell it and it doesn’t pass the authenticity check! As a buyer I’d be so sketched out!
Dacob, thank you as always for your informative content! I agree, as a fellow Chanel lover and collector, this is very disappointing and alarming. Have you noticed any inconsistencies on other sizes, for example the jumbo or mini?
That reminds me it's like going to the fruit shop and if you want to get the best apple in the box you have to check every single one of them just to make sure you are buying the one that is okay. And what exactly is Chanel doing? Charging people an arm for their bags and losing the consistency ?
I remember being taught by an SA to tell the sizes apart by the number of complete diamonds across the flap . 6 complete diamonds for a mini rectangle , 7 for a small and 8 for the medium, hopefully they don’t change that or I will never tell them apart. Have never checked the stitching but will watch out . Thorough research , thanks.
Thanks for share your opinion, I’ve learned a lot, all the details that we should know and care, I’m totally agree all u said, u are an expert, I would like u to have a video of Chanel handbags material , different types of leather , fabric and how to take care them, pleeeeese!
Lol don’t worry Dacob, these sort of details drive me nuts as well and then I dwell for ages. Just like how I was trying to figure out why some classic flaps have edge stitching on the flap versus others and why the “rule” varies between classic colours and seasonal colours not just on leather finish. But then I figured it out thanks to a lovely lady from zeko authentication. I don’t own a small size classic flap, but I remember seeing the incomplete diamonds at the bottom and personally didn’t like that because it drove my ocd through the roof!Aside from the quilting, the proportions appear more square than the medium and quite cute. The incomplete diamonds on the flap of the medium aren’t as pronounced as they are on the bottom of the small. Maybe not as apparent since the edges of the flap dip down on the sides? I suppose if they cross stitched the corners of the flap on the medium it would be quite small 🤔 Lol now my brain is spinning in circles thinking about what is happening with the cross stitch! Is it going to vary for seasonal colours? I guess we’ll find out in boutique! I’ll be sure to look out for a small if the resellers don’t get to it first! Oh and the wocs now have overly puffy quilting! They used to be more flat for the made in France ones (which I prefer!) and the Italy ones were puffy. Now they’re all puffy! Just checked my medium lambskin classic flap, back pocket is lined with burgundy! I agree, consistency should be there. You are not crazy!
Dacob! I want to contribute a comment regarding consistency. I just noticed two different COLORS of cross thread stitching on the same model, two different bags! The tweed cruise 22 bag has both white and black stitching options available. The website indicates a white stitch, the social media photos indicate a black stitch. This seems very unusual. I’m under the impression tweeds can vary in color because they are handwoven. I wasn’t under the impression the cross stitching color may vary. Is this more common now?
Thank you for the the informative video. So I have 3 small classics. My black small is an early 30 series, bought a few weeks before the 1st price increase in 2020 (around april if Iremember correctly). This one has the crossed-stitches at the two corners. My beige small ( late 30-series, bought in November 2020) and my new grey from 21A collection do NOT have the crossed-stitches.
After watching this video I went hunting on UA-cam for small flap bags. I did see a few recent bags with the closed diamond in the bottom. I also saw a couple of vintage bags (one from 1996/7) and they had the closed diamond also. What do you make of that?
yes my lambskin small double flap from 1990 has the cross stitch at the bottom corners (at the base). I am very doubtful this is a fake but it does have me wondering
my 31 seasonal small flat in caviar has the cross stich in the bottom. it seems chanel don't really care about the patterns layout that much no more. just like LV.
i don't think the boutique bag is fake i think they do not care anymore about quality because anybody can buy a chanel bag now even if you have to charge it. or save up for it. so now all the company wants to is make money. so if they put an extra stitch or not they don't think people will notice.
Chanel should hire you for quality control and credibility safekeeping, lol.
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I find a weird enjoyment in people realizing how greedy and careless companies are lol. It’s like glass shatters and the value you see in certain things shifts pointing you towards brands and things you wouldn’t have noticed or invested in otherwise.
This is great info to have when walking into the boutique! I think the confidence that comes with buying directly from the boutique is at risk here, if you can’t even trust Chanel to sell quality Chanel product…who can you trust? I will definitely be scrutinizing my future purchases and if the SA doesn’t like it, I guess it’s time for a new one! At these prices the bags should be doing your cleaning and laundry, not causing undue stress…
Thank you Dacob for another informative video! 💕
Well said Lera 🙏🏻💖🌈🌺
Very well said with a touch of humor thank you
To be honest I think it applies across other Luxury brands like LV as well, the shocking decline in quality with LV had caused me to stop purchasing online. It's the hypocrisy that LV blacklists you if you return too many items for refund/exchange yet they seem to not be accounting for the shocking amount of poor quality products they're putting out. Even in store you can tell the inconsistencies in quality of an SA bringing out 2-3 items of the same product.
@@natl0426I agree with you their quality for some bags declined many years ago, also prices for basic designs are absurd, i wouldn’t buy any style that has edging ever again due to cracking issues. but in defence of LV, there are disgusting ppl who try to take advantage of return policies and will actually wear a bag for a week, then return it. I’d be pretty pissed after paying aud$4,000 for a bag from a store if I noticed it had been used. I can imagine the types who try to get away with shady behaviour so SA’s must be on the lookout for dishonesty with certain types of customers.
Very interesting video. I think if enough people flag this issue Chanel will look into it. Remember back in the late eighties’ sticky bag’ ? They were bags that were made with cheaper production and after a while, sometimes even years the whole of the inside became so sticky. Chanel exchanged them immediately. At first giving a store credit then later having like for like bags in the stock room to exchange them with. Sometimes it was years before you discovered your sticky bag. They even had a button on the computerised tills to put the sticky bag through the system. Hope this makes sense
I am still baffled by this subject. I wonder how Chanel will respond to this. Seems like a PR nightmare to me. Dacob, you are the real MVP ⭐️. You are a gem 💎.
Keeping Coco's legacy alive!
Dacob's channel should be required in the training for every Chanel associate ❤️
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This made me check all my flap bags. Thankfully they are all consistent with the original stitching. You are amazing and a wealth of knowledge 🙏🏽
I'm only 16 minutes into the explanation, but, can I say this, if you're going to price your items with exorbitance, at least be consistent!!! Luxury brands talk about "meticulous craftmanship", "exceptional detail"...well then show it! LOL Show me the consistency
You are not crazy! Thank you for pointing out these inconsistencies. I'm with you. What the heck is going on with chanel? I wouldn't buy a CF without carefully examining it. 😬
We have no point of reference anymore - that is the killer line right there. You hit the nail on the head. Love your channel ❤
Thank you so much Emma 🙏🏻💖🌈
You make a GREAT teacher! I have watched you since you had short blonde hair and talked about perfume which i have learned sooo much from watching your timeless treasure trove of videos! High quality content all the way!
Thank you so much Bella 🙏🏻🥰💖
Thanks, Dacob, for doing all this work. For their bags' prices, Chanel must have consistent and strict quality control. There's no excuse to any sloppiness. And, us, consumers have the duty to make them know that we deserve better.
Thank you for an insightful content. I always buy the bag from boutique. Therefore, I never ever pay attention to these small details. Now, I need to consider my trust and my love for Chanel. As my last visit at Chanel boutique, how the SA treats the bags (aside of how they treat me 🤷🏻♀️, whatever) I do not feel luxury at all!
More than anything, Chanel should ask you to be their brand ambassador! Xoxo 😘
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Forget what Chanel thinks or knows, I consider him our Chanel brand ambassador! 👏🏻🤣
@@may7993 indeed 🥇
Dacob you started a revolution! Every one of your followers that own a CF will now be having a closer look at their bags. Great pick up and thanks for the valid info.👏🏼
One thing I’ve noticed on the classic flaps is the noticeable difference in dimensions on the same size flap. It irks me even though I know it’s just 0.5cm up to 1cm off the standard. Two medium flaps side by side and I can see that one is more boxy shaped with more height and one with more length and less height and looking a lot more “rectangular” shaped. And it’s not due to stuffing or how it’s positioned. It’s to do with the stitching of the top flap and how far the bottom quilts are stitched into the base of the bag. I know it’s too much attention to detail but once I’ve seen it I can’t unsee it. Both bags from boutique. One is mine, the second is my friends. Both black caviar GHW medium and bought 2 months apart. I think definitely QC issue.
Like many of us, I am so disappointed. We are expected to pay more and more each year for these bags, and yet, we have to accept lesser quality and check every bag before purchasing. Consumers shouldn’t be the ones performing quality checks on luxury items. Since lockdown began in March 2020, we have experienced FOUR price increases, and so many of us have continued buying these bags cause we love and value the brand. Like you, Chanel will always hold a special place in my heart that no other fashion house can fill. I will do my part by not buying anymore of their bags for at least a year. Like you have said before, maybe if enough of us do the same, they will reevaluate their production and insane price increases. I have wanted to focus more on ready-to-wear anyway, so this is just giving me more motivation. Thank you so much again for another thoughtful and well-informed video. This community wouldn’t be the same without the Fashion Bunker. ❤️
Thank you so much May.
I've seen this a lot in fashion industry and in the makeup industry where the company this case Chanel their factories own some percentage or all rights to their pattern ( or formulas) .. so for some reason if Chanel had to break ties with their manufacturer, even for a short amount of time, where that manufacturer own some rights to that pattern they would have to slightly tweak or change the pattern... all of this is more common in the makeup industry where manufacturers own formulas but it does apply to a lot of the manufacturing industry as a whole .. for example L'Oreal factories owns formulas for about 70% of the makeup/skincare industry
I think the problem comes when someone wants to resell their bag and they have this cross stitch. An examiner is going to think that it’s a fake bag.
This indeed could be a problem allegedly.
Of course you are crazy- crazy for Chanel, for the traditional design, the high quality and craftmanship-and you are right!
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Thank you for the thorough information. I bought my Small in Paris in 2019 and thankfully I just checked and no cross stitch at bottom.
New merch idea - ' THATS NOT A POCKET'
hahaha - I CERTAINLY dont use that pocket for anything.
Hey Dacob - thank you so much for discussing this insightful, interesting and also very concerning topic. It IS CONCERNING that there are inconsistencies. Authentication can only happen defining what is consistent.
I hope this is a developing topic on your channel. I really enjoy your content, it is critical and informing. Being a fashion student/lover, I want to learn and be informed. I am trying to not consume as much mindless youtube fashion content anymore. Too many unboxings, and 'commentary' from mindless people.
Thank you x (you and your community are really helping me right now, means more than you know)
Thank you so much Holly Grace 🥰💖🥰🌈
I'm watching this on double speed and you are brilliant 👏 👌 you are so passionate. It's fantastic 😀💜
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I want my Chanel bag with the two patties and deluxe fries please😂⭐️🧡
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Thank you to help me to make my mind and no spend my money on Chanel. Every time I’m thinking about buying one, something happens to remind me why I haven’t bought one yet!
You always have the most interesting videos. Chanel needs to hire you right now!
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I think you would be a great added value to Chanel, if they will hire you! You seem to do a better job than them! Keep up the great work, D! You’re always amazing ❤️❤️✨
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Super fascinating! Seems like Chanel just doesn’t care anymore. The rich kids and fashion influencers don’t care about these aspects, so Chanel goes like “Oh, no need to pay attention to the stitching, then. Perfect! That means a significantly lower number of sub-par bags that before, we wouldn’t have been able to release to the boutiques to be sold.”
Wow, I just checked my own photos I’ve taken in the boutique lately and all the lambskin smalls have the extra stitch!! Surprisingly not in the caviars tho. I’d love an official statement from Chanel on this
Such interesting information! Counterfeiting is my first guess. You would think they would have TIGHT control over who manufactures the bags and have exacting standards as their reputation was built on it and depends on it. Very enlightening video.
Omg thanks for pointing out the non-pocket space and couture stitching. I very recently bought a vintage classic flap and was using that space for small paper items. Already removed them and will not touch that space ever again :0 Also, thanks for teaching us about the diamond stitch differences. I couldn't pinpoint why I thought the small bags looked funny to me compared to the medium ones, and those cross stitch differences completely explained why.
This is why Chanel refers to bags as the “old” medium which is now called “medium/small” and “new” small or “new” medium... 🙄🙄
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Their inconsistency is appalling. This is why I want to seek out the classic flaps in VINTAGE condition. The best place for bags is Japan!
(I consider vintage 40-50 years old, not 20). You cannot compare lambskin now and lambskin from 1980. I prefer the flat quilting over the puffy! ..and that 24k yellow gold hardware? 😋
I sold a beautiful vintage ( 92 ) med classic flap with perfect hardware in April & I’m so upset now. That bag was as soft as a babies bottom.
Thank you for this very informative video! Just bought my first Channel Classic flap, small, pre-loved and it looks just like yours. Never thought about the stiching before. But anyway, I am super happy with my purchase 🥰. TaKe care 🌼
Wowwwww the inconsistency with the stitching on the CF bags. 😨 I just got a rectangular mini, my first lambskin bag. 😅 it’s nice that it’s fully made in leather inside & out. 🖤 the chip sticks out in the bag & can scratch my SLGs. 😓 thanks for sharing ur knowledge my love. 🙏🏼❤️😘Sandy
I’m researching to get a vintage classic flap… I really want the quality from the 90s, the story behind it and giving a classic Chanel a second life… and especially now that there’s so many issues with quality and consistency…. Makes vintage even more appealing ❤️ again and always… loved this video Dacob xxx
I'm done with buying new bags, regardless of the brands. I've been buying pre-loved and my bags have very good quality and durable.
I have noticed this EXACT stitching thing on some small flaps…thought I was just crazy…🙁..thank you so much for this, Dacob.
Makes it hard to authenticate on the resale market. I would like a classic flap but I don’t really want to buy in store because of quality issues and now on top of that their classic bag is inconsistent?! The whole point of a classic bag is it stays relatively the same throughout time. That’s what makes it classic and timeless. Classic design is about the heritage of the brand. They are diluting and devaluing their own brand. It is really sad that a super fake is better at making their own bags. SMH. 🤦♀️
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You can still buy authentic bags from reputable resellers. You may not save money but you will be able to get exactly what you want. I am advising all my fellow Chanel lovers to watch out for this now. I personally wouldn’t want to buy a small classic flap with the corner cross stitch. 😔
Hello Dacob, I was told that even when production moved to Asia for some luxury houses some years ago, the samples were always produced in Europe and sent to Asia to ensure no issues because samples are the most difficult part. I live in China and i can tell you Chinese can manufacture a bag to the detail. Their own chinese writing is all about details so they are great at attention to details. Hence, I dont believe that is the issue. In my opinion, this is either a super fake issue or a Chanel QC problem, but if the latest, it is a huge F*** up lol
More low quality control...
Yes in all levels of garment manufacturing it's good practice to send two sealed samples. One the factory opens to use as a reference for production and the other stays sealed in case there is a QC problem when the shipment is received by the brand.
I think it's a Chanel QC problem.
This is really good content. I hope Chanel’s spokes person reaches out to you. Or maybe Chanel really doesn’t care anymore like you said these bags sell themselves. I’d love to see us take a stand or for them to at least acknowledge what they’re doing. I love Chanel but when I see that the quality is lacking I just don’t know why I continue to love it. ❤️🩹
Dacob thank you. We appreciate you sharing this
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Ppl who buy bags just for show off even don't notice such moments. I am so glad you made this video, it makes me to think twice...or again and again... before buying. Omg...
I love the knowledge and the insightful content of your video.
Coco surely is proud of you, up there in bags
Heaven.
Thank you Melissa 🙏🏻🥰💖🌈💗
Awesome video. At last, someone speaks out!
“That’s not a pocket!”👌🏼😂
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This is a great video. This is the kind of video I think of when I think about your channel. Thank you so much for the research and effort you out into your videos and sharing this kind of content with us.
I’m devastated now. I think it’s a “Summer-collection-caviar-issue” predominately. My caviar yellow(20s), white and light green/ turquoise smalls (21s), all three bought in the boutique (preordered and no returns because my SA showed me freshly unboxed) have the extra stitch 😩 crazy! The 21a is stitched “normal” again and I didn’t even realize. By the way all three made in France.
Oh, I realized my SA sent me a photo of a 21P lambskin small and it has it as well!!
That’s exactly what I thought it was. It is a seasonal situation. I bought two bags on 21A and both have the consistency and characteristics of the small and medium. I bought a mini on 21S so I can’t check but I will look into the second market for that season and see;). Congrats on all your bags!
New Saga alert. Exciting video and great display of your eye for details. I hope Chanel is okay with you challenging them like this, Henny
And if they are not Ok? What then? They gonna try to silence me for asking legit questions? I would make a video about it immediately to alert everybody of silencing methods... 🤷🏻♂️
@@SuperDacob These companies are getting crazy these days. Not the company itself, but overarchiving individuals inside of the firm who over-identify with the work and start taking it personally could trynna come for you. What I rather meant to say was, I hope they can find the same appreciation for your criticism as the one that is obviously present here in our Bunker sphere. 🙏🏾
Some are very appreciative and they happen to work for the brand 😉😘♥️💖😘🌈🌺
I imagine someone from Chanel has watched it and they are not going to comment. Why would they? They can’t sue if it’s true and why would they mention it on website
Im watching this in 2024 and I love this video. Thank you for educating us.
I wonder if the cross stitching is fixed now.
Thank you dear. I think one can still find both versions in their boutiques… allegedly.
Can’t we get a statement from someone at Chanel on this? What opinion does the sales person you know have on this matter?
Wow!What an investigation, Dacob,thanks!
This is HUGE!
We, customers, spoiled all of the brands by buying and buying. Unlimited consummation leades to the quality issues. Brands don‘t care, people gonna eat even s%[t with the logo, why bother, just tell it’s handmade and the problem solved.
So agree with you, Dacob, at least give us consistency for that price!
And of course you’re not crazy, those details are super important! Details are always important!
Wow this quilting is really interesting. I looked at the classic medium flap that I’ve been eyeing and had a photograph. It’s indeed w/o the quilting at the bottom, but the photo in the website have. Glad haven’t bought one yet but it’s my dream bag. Thanks ♥️
You're absolutely right. It's a part of quality to be able repeat the same thing milion times in the same way and have consistent and stable output. That should not happen. I'm now so interested to discover what is behind that mystery 😱
The best video I’ve watched on UA-cam 😍. Thanks for the education 👍👍👍👍
Oh my goodness! This is the first video of yours that I have watched (so far! I’m off onto your others next haha) and so I don’t know your background. HOWEVER, you are so knowledgable!!!! I think you know more than all of the SA’s combined!
I’ve just purchased a new small black lambskin classic flap (yesterday) from the Harrods boutique in London, and thank goodness it does have the usual stitching pattern! Lack of cross stitch on the bottom.
I’d never even considered someone returning “fakes” as you’d assume that the store would be able to tell! This is scary!
Either way; possible fakes in circulation or lack of consistency in production is appalling! This is the case no matter how much money someone spends on a bag, it’s all relative! But now they’re all over 5k in GBP..... and still rising... insane....
Thank you Jenn and welcome to my channel :)
Omg this is so Scarry! Dacob thank you so much for this information I had no idea
The stiches you talk about at 46:15 is where I had a quality issue on my Jumbo that I bought in 2019 (made in Italy (I know, we don’t like made in Italy classic pieces in the fashion bunker, but I was too impatient back then)). After having worn the bag only 3-4 times, the stitching came loose on one side and Chanel had to send the bag off to France for repair. Quality control has loooong left the chat when it comes to Chanel.
Honestly after watching this vdo, I went crazily checking all the small flap photos I could find and then found a lot of vintage small double flap has extra stitch. I’m relieved now.
I have never pay attention to the bottom stitch as I always count the complete stitch (6-mini, 7-small, 8-medium).
This video has nothing to do with the vintage small bags and I clearly stated that in the video. This video is only referencing the standard used for the current modern version of the small double flaps and mediums. The highest standard is without the stitch, for their carryover smalls. Seasonal ones are the ones that seem sourced out to other factories and made more hastily and with inferior precision to save some money in production. Vintage smalls were very different to the smalls made since 2009 and onward so it is not correct to compare the vintage ones which had a totally different standard to the newer ones. But I repeat, I said that in my video.
Thank you for such an entertaining dinner talk. We sat in the yard and followed along. You hit my first suspicion last! A mass swap out of fake goods being sold under the radar or even more seized goods being sold in boutiques? Even more interesting questions posed about components made to order and then assembly elsewhere. What annoys me most is the burgundy inside pocket. Personally I Love an all the way through comorway.
“It ain’t a pocket!” 👀
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Yeah my SA told me not to stretch the back panel or else the stitch breaks. lol
Dacob, you are just amazing! Thank you!!!
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Thanks so much for the content. Great information. Even if the pieces are authentic and aren’t indicative of quality control issues; the inconsistencies are problematic. I want my first CF to resemble Dacob’s lol. I wonder if the powers that be at Chanel even consider potential customers such as myself; very willing to become a customer but have serious concerns. I do have one piece but was looking forward to other purchases. This is not alright and needs to be addressed. So grateful that you do what you do.
I was in Paris last week and went to Chanel with the intention of purchasing the gray mini flap. There was only one bag left in the store and in all of France at the time. However, I still did not buy the bag. The flap was not even. It was visibly crooked on the left side and the stitching on many of the quilts was lose. I was shocked. Then I learned that the bag was returned that morning, which further affirmed my decision to pass on the bag. I was very surprised and disappointed that Chanel would deem this bag sellable in the condition that it was in. Big thumbs down from me!
Great content, enjoyed watching!
Thank you Jessica 🙏🏻💖
The quality of Chanel bags 💼 is definitely going downhill over the years however the price is continue to going up. You might as well just buy the dupes….save a lot of $ and not worry about it. Dacob, you would be a great quality control if you work for Chanel.
Actually a major cause of concern - I will whoever thinks you’re crazy to bring this up - hopefully you will not find flaws in WoC , Mini Square & Boy which I own 😱😱😱...much ♥️♥️♥️from Manila...un nerving....
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if chanel confirms that different stiching version is also authentic which may be excellent to own it cause those are really limited. Price may go higher than normal ones!!!
Rare does not mean better quality. The cross stitch versions seem to have been made from pre stitched hides which is by far not as luxurious and time consuming to make as the custom stitches which they advertise on their website.
On the second thought the fakes are having more consistency and believe me they are flawless. They are so well made that even Chanel can’t tell if it’s a fake and they are a 3rd of the price.Someone is switching them straight from the boutique.🤣😱🤑
Wow my 29series small purchased in Paris has the cross stitch. Never noticed until this vid.
Thank you for your candor, learned so much from you. Keep the information coming.
LOL - We're paying for brand & reputation, not necessarily quality. This is why I will never judge anyone for purchasing inauthentic items!!
Ok…just bought a black lambskin small double classic flap with the rose gold hardware. The picture she sent me had no stitching at the bottom. This is the 21B. I will check it out when I receive it…probably Thursday. Will send you all an update! 🎯
My small classic flap I got from the boutique with a 31 series has a cross stitch on the corners... :((
I just bought a classic small double flap bag in caviar two weeks ago. It has cross stitch. Love it. I think it looks better with the cross stitch. It looks more symmetrical. Just my humble opinion.
"What is this?? An outlet?" I'm logging off for the day 😂
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I know one of the signs of authenticity is number of stitches. So i fully agree with you this is a quality issue. Many vloggers complain from Chanel quality, so not surprised at all. I am also put off from Chanel already even though i own one.
Je suis lou’s small classic flap in caramel has the cross stitch at the bottom.
Quality and consistancy are paramount! This is so frustrating.
Isn’t the way to tell the size 7 quilts across on a small and 8 on a med? I’ve never heard of the stitching way. But are the quilts accurate??
Unforgivable and unacceptable. Such a shame.
Have you tried vintage Coach bags?
In my opinion among others
the quality is matching with Hermes.
Definitely better quality than Chanel.
Yes. It a lot off ppl feel that coach is a cheep brand. My mother & aunties have Gucci & coach bags from before I was born and are still in good condition.
@@sherrainemonee8007 I have my grandmother's old Chanel bag
and it's good quality don't get me wrong however,
the quality today is not matching the price
not when my vintage coach bags are made just as great if not better.
I have two YSL and five LV, two Gucci bags
and a Dior and definitely my six vintage coach bags
are just as well made in fact with the same quality
as my Hermes bucket bag!
I'm currently looking for only vintage
and have a Cartier on my wish list.
I do see more
and more people turning to the vintage Coach bags
and just wondering if
Super Dacob
has considered it since so many people are.
There's a whole community on YT
of vintage Coach lovers.
I know I may get laughed at, but has anyone looked at the Tory Burch Lee Radzwill line, at their Double version. I was shocked! I have Chanel, Dior, Gucci, Fendi, LV and Burberry and I feel that the Lee Radizwell line from Tory Burch is almost neck to neck. The price in USA for the small starts at over $800 and for the regular size (large) it is over $900 on up to over $1k. I bought 1 small and 2 "large" and love the quality and craftsmanship. There is a petite size too. I own 1 but in that size the quality and style doesnt stand out. People are shocked it's from Tory Burch. I love there is no big logo...it's hard to see and totally comes across as high luxe in the larger sizes (not in the petite imo)
Your shirt looks lovely, Dacob! The pattern and shade are stunning! I don't suppose you could share which one it is 😺P.S. you're not crazy, this inconsistency just shows that chanel are saving money and don't care about heritage. Well done for spotting it!
Thank you dear. The shirt is designed by Castelbajac for Benetton. :) SS’21
@@SuperDacob thank you 🌹
I always get fresh /unopened bags from Chanel..
To do that I always like to be on reserve list before the store get the bags I like… most specially for classic. Now I am waiting for my medium classic that they will get on July 17, 2022.
I just got a vintage small classic flap. Checked the bottom and yup, it doesnt have the bottom corner stitch. This bag is from 1984/1985. Thank you for this information!!!!
Dacob in on 🔥!!!
It has been 2 years and I checked some sites online and the detail appears to be all over the place and not consistent at all anymore. I am looking at sites that show all four sizes small, medium, jumbo and Maxi.
Can you imagine having that bag and taking it in for service and the Channel employee saying it’s either not authentic or that it’s been “altered” and they can’t service the bag! I would be mortified! Or later in life you decide you want to pass it on and sell it and it doesn’t pass the authenticity check! As a buyer I’d be so sketched out!
Dacob, thank you as always for your informative content! I agree, as a fellow Chanel lover and collector, this is very disappointing and alarming. Have you noticed any inconsistencies on other sizes, for example the jumbo or mini?
That reminds me it's like going to the fruit shop and if you want to get the best apple in the box you have to check every single one of them just to make sure you are buying the one that is okay. And what exactly is Chanel doing? Charging people an arm for their bags and losing the consistency ?
I remember being taught by an SA to tell the sizes apart by the number of complete diamonds across the flap . 6 complete diamonds for a mini rectangle , 7 for a small and 8 for the medium, hopefully they don’t change that or I will never tell them apart. Have never checked the stitching but will watch out . Thorough research , thanks.
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Thanks for share your opinion, I’ve learned a lot, all the details that we should know and care, I’m totally agree all u said, u are an expert, I would like u to have a video of Chanel handbags material , different types of leather , fabric and how to take care them, pleeeeese!
Stop buying their bags
Lol don’t worry Dacob, these sort of details drive me nuts as well and then I dwell for ages. Just like how I was trying to figure out why some classic flaps have edge stitching on the flap versus others and why the “rule” varies between classic colours and seasonal colours not just on leather finish. But then I figured it out thanks to a lovely lady from zeko authentication.
I don’t own a small size classic flap, but I remember seeing the incomplete diamonds at the bottom and personally didn’t like that because it drove my ocd through the roof!Aside from the quilting, the proportions appear more square than the medium and quite cute. The incomplete diamonds on the flap of the medium aren’t as pronounced as they are on the bottom of the small. Maybe not as apparent since the edges of the flap dip down on the sides? I suppose if they cross stitched the corners of the flap on the medium it would be quite small 🤔
Lol now my brain is spinning in circles thinking about what is happening with the cross stitch! Is it going to vary for seasonal colours? I guess we’ll find out in boutique! I’ll be sure to look out for a small if the resellers don’t get to it first!
Oh and the wocs now have overly puffy quilting! They used to be more flat for the made in France ones (which I prefer!) and the Italy ones were puffy. Now they’re all puffy!
Just checked my medium lambskin classic flap, back pocket is lined with burgundy!
I agree, consistency should be there. You are not crazy!
Dacob! I want to contribute a comment regarding consistency. I just noticed two different COLORS of cross thread stitching on the same model, two different bags! The tweed cruise 22 bag has both white and black stitching options available. The website indicates a white stitch, the social media photos indicate a black stitch. This seems very unusual. I’m under the impression tweeds can vary in color because they are handwoven. I wasn’t under the impression the cross stitching color may vary. Is this more common now?
Good point , that’s why I’m glad I bought my Chanel long time ago better quality in my opinion
Thank you Dacob your Chanel is now my favorite ,im addicted to bags . Whats your opinion on small coco Chanel?
Thank you Sarah :) I made a video on the Coco Handle... unless by small coco chanel you mean Coco when she was a little girl?
@@SuperDacob no small coco bag ok good im gonna watch it
Thank you for the the informative video.
So I have 3 small classics. My black small is an early 30 series, bought a few weeks before the 1st price increase in 2020 (around april if Iremember correctly). This one has the crossed-stitches at the two corners. My beige small ( late 30-series, bought in November 2020) and my new grey from 21A collection do NOT have the crossed-stitches.
After watching this video I went hunting on UA-cam for small flap bags. I did see a few recent bags with the closed diamond in the bottom. I also saw a couple of vintage bags (one from 1996/7) and they had the closed diamond also. What do you make of that?
yes my lambskin small double flap from 1990 has the cross stitch at the bottom corners (at the base). I am very doubtful this is a fake but it does have me wondering
my 31 seasonal small flat in caviar has the cross stich in the bottom. it seems chanel don't really care about the patterns layout that much no more. just like LV.
i don't think the boutique bag is fake i think they do not care anymore about quality because anybody can buy a chanel bag now even if you have to charge it. or save up for it. so now all the company wants to is make money. so if they put an extra stitch or not they don't think people will notice.