Now I have to say this ...in over 40s years....16 years as a minister.... prison ministry.... nursing home ministry..... Bible study teacher Sunday school teacher .... Hearing pastors proclaim over the pulpits that the people should give especially when they are experiencing utility cutoffs.... eviction notices.... medication subscription issues ..... especially when the pastor is living in a mansion...has luxury cars..... this resemble pimping...cold hearted use any means possible to...as the scriptures described Filthy LUCRES.... obtain money UNJUSTLY..... using the Holy scriptures in error to twist the truth into deception to obtain money.
In the same way......that same way according to the God ordained tithe. God had appointed time to bring the tithe of what was GROWN and the flocks of clean animals.....the same way is to take the tithe to Jerusalem and the Temple finally gave it to the Levites. A pastor that is edifying the people of God to become mature Christians able to minister in the work of the gospel. Yes in the O.T. the tithe was for the Levites and the poor..... not to build several temples and to be lovers of worldly materialism in a wealthy lifestyle.... like mansions.... luxurious cars ....jets ... jewelry. Yes a pastor who is following the truth of the Lord YAHUSHUA should be taken care of with givings from the people of God. The tithe was a law ...we should be giving with a heart of love towards God. The pastors must be Godly stewards......and they should never convince people that giving is a key to receive special favors from God. Same way... lying or forcing people by twisting the sacred scriptures to place fear ... weights on the shoulders of GOD'S people.... telling them that they are cursed if they don't tithe..... YAHUSHUA'S crucifixion took the curse away.....and God hasn't given his people the spirit of fear especially from the pastor.
Interesting topic. I don't see anywhere in scripture where a systematic tithe deliverable can be received as money, New Testament or Old. I think what Paul is pointing out in 1 Corinthians 9 is that it's acceptable for ministers to be supported voluntarily. Paul doesn't specifically reference money as a supporting item for ministers but doesn't exclude it either. It could be food, water, clothes, etc. and Paul refuses that support in verse 15. Biblical, systematic tithe items were mandatory submissions of consumable items, not money, specifically purposed for the Levitical theocracy who carried out the Old Covenant sacrificial system for atonement. If Paul were drawing a complete parallel between systematic tithing under Mosaic Law and supporting ministers under the New Covenant, there are no changes to the tithing ordinances that specified only that which the Holy Land brought forth (produce and livestock) could be accepted as a tithe deliverable. I don't think that's Paul's point. I believe he's simply stating that it's OK to support ministers however one chooses. He's not making the claim that it's a biblical mandate, otherwise, he would be contradicting his own assertion by refusing any of it.
How Do you understand Paul’s phrase, “ in the same way”? Did the Levi priests receive tithe? Did priests serve full-time as ministers? Was Paul referencing them? So why would “in the same way” not refer to tithes?
@@TomBrownMinistry Well, if "in the same way" were a literal reference to exactly how systematic tithes were received, then that leaves no room for ministers to accept money for assistance and support. Only consumable items were received as a systematic tithe deliverable. I think "in the same way" is more of a reference to those who serve the Gospel as being worthy of support, like the Levitical Priests who received a portion of the Levitical tithe. Also, tithes were delivered annually, except for the 7th year. I don't think Paul was suggesting we shouldn't support ministers in that manner, but rather, as needed.
@@markb7067 at least you tried to answer. I think you even admitted though that “in the same way” if literally understood would mean the tithe goes to the minister. So that’s all my only point!
@@TomBrownMinistry Thanks for the exchanges. Well... I think the bottom line is that Paul wasn't advocating a biblical mandate for supporting ministers through a compulsory mechanism, but rather by choice. It was appropriate to do so cheerfully, not under compulsion (2 Corinthians 9:7). So if we see "tithing" as it is practiced today as a "get to do", rather than a biblical "have to do", that's fine. Biblical, systematic tithes were compulsory, like a tax, during their time, not voluntary, and they were only received as consumable items. So I see Paul's comment as one that supports offerings to ministers, which are given per the discretion of the giver.
I think a pastor should of course be paid well for the work he does and so should all his staff and volunteers but I don't like that for every block there are three buildings all requiring financing from their followers. Why can't one building be used for multiple churches? Also if I put in my first 10% a day to offer it to a pastor. Am I to think, everyday...okay let's get this bacon for pastor? I'd like to think a % yes a % for those who are seeking the Lord for a miracle and my tithe can help their miracle.
eat! The tithe. These scripture will blow the storehouse money tithing heresy as taught by most churches today right out of the water...which is why they are NEVER preached! NOTE: You the giver are to EAT your tithe in celebration before God to thanks ...Him for his blessings NOTE You are only to give the tithe to the Levites and the poor in the THIRD Year...the year of the tithe! Deut 14:27-29 ……"At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do. NKJV Deut 26-1-11 …(vs2) take some of the firstfruits of all that you produce from the soil …and put them in a basket....(vs11) and you and the Levites, and aliens shall rejoice in all the good things (ie EAT) that the Lord your God has given you NOTE Firstfruits are clearly not tithes …ie a basket which contains some of the firstfruits (this can be verified in most bible dictionaries) ...and they were also to be EATEN by the giver and shared with the Levites in a celebration! Note We cannot be cursed today as born again believers for disobeying the LAW of Moses (which never applied to Gentiles ...and today cannot even be properly observed Jewish believers....as there is no temple or Levitical priesthood) Gal 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us as it is written ‘Cursed is anyone who is hung on a tree’ If we all, that is every born again believers, are priest....we all should be edified so that we can work in the vineyard...we all should be given money.... THE PROBLEM WITH THE TITHE IN THE GRACE AGE ....GRACE IS THE LOVE AGE ... EVERYTHING IS DONE FROM LOVE ... WHILE THE TITHE WAS ORDAINED AS A LAW UNTO ISRAEL. GRACE ISN'T LIMITED BY THE BOUNDARIES OF ISRAEL LIKE THE LAWS OF MOSES....GRACE REACHES THE WORLD AND ALL THE NATIONS.
Now I have to say this ...in over 40s years....16 years as a minister.... prison ministry.... nursing home ministry..... Bible study teacher Sunday school teacher .... Hearing pastors proclaim over the pulpits that the people should give especially when they are experiencing utility cutoffs.... eviction notices.... medication subscription issues ..... especially when the pastor is living in a mansion...has luxury cars..... this resemble pimping...cold hearted use any means possible to...as the scriptures described Filthy LUCRES.... obtain money UNJUSTLY..... using the Holy scriptures in error to twist the truth into deception to obtain money.
The levites did not keep 10% They got 1 % of the tithe which was food not MONEY!
Exactly.
Into your pocket.
In the same way......that same way according to the God ordained tithe.
God had appointed time to bring the tithe of what was GROWN and the flocks of clean animals.....the same way is to take the tithe to Jerusalem and the Temple finally gave it to the Levites.
A pastor that is edifying the people of God to become mature Christians able to minister in the work of the gospel.
Yes in the O.T. the tithe was for the Levites and the poor..... not to build several temples and to be lovers of worldly materialism in a wealthy lifestyle.... like mansions.... luxurious cars ....jets ... jewelry.
Yes a pastor who is following the truth of the Lord YAHUSHUA should be taken care of with givings from the people of God. The tithe was a law ...we should be giving with a heart of love towards God. The pastors must be Godly stewards......and they should never convince people that giving is a key to receive special favors from God.
Same way... lying or forcing people by twisting the sacred scriptures to place fear ... weights on the shoulders of GOD'S people.... telling them that they are cursed if they don't tithe..... YAHUSHUA'S crucifixion took the curse away.....and God hasn't given his people the spirit of fear especially from the pastor.
Interesting topic. I don't see anywhere in scripture where a systematic tithe deliverable can be received as money, New Testament or Old. I think what Paul is pointing out in 1 Corinthians 9 is that it's acceptable for ministers to be supported voluntarily. Paul doesn't specifically reference money as a supporting item for ministers but doesn't exclude it either. It could be food, water, clothes, etc. and Paul refuses that support in verse 15.
Biblical, systematic tithe items were mandatory submissions of consumable items, not money, specifically purposed for the Levitical theocracy who carried out the Old Covenant sacrificial system for atonement. If Paul were drawing a complete parallel between systematic tithing under Mosaic Law and supporting ministers under the New Covenant, there are no changes to the tithing ordinances that specified only that which the Holy Land brought forth (produce and livestock) could be accepted as a tithe deliverable. I don't think that's Paul's point. I believe he's simply stating that it's OK to support ministers however one chooses. He's not making the claim that it's a biblical mandate, otherwise, he would be contradicting his own assertion by refusing any of it.
How Do you understand Paul’s phrase, “ in the same way”?
Did the Levi priests receive tithe?
Did priests serve full-time as ministers?
Was Paul referencing them?
So why would “in the same way” not refer to tithes?
@@TomBrownMinistry Well, if "in the same way" were a literal reference to exactly how systematic tithes were received, then that leaves no room for ministers to accept money for assistance and support. Only consumable items were received as a systematic tithe deliverable. I think "in the same way" is more of a reference to those who serve the Gospel as being worthy of support, like the Levitical Priests who received a portion of the Levitical tithe. Also, tithes were delivered annually, except for the 7th year. I don't think Paul was suggesting we shouldn't support ministers in that manner, but rather, as needed.
@@markb7067 at least you tried to answer. I think you even admitted though that “in the same way” if literally understood would mean the tithe goes to the minister. So that’s all my only point!
@@TomBrownMinistry Thanks for the exchanges.
Well... I think the bottom line is that Paul wasn't advocating a biblical mandate for supporting ministers through a compulsory mechanism, but rather by choice. It was appropriate to do so cheerfully, not under compulsion (2 Corinthians 9:7). So if we see "tithing" as it is practiced today as a "get to do", rather than a biblical "have to do", that's fine.
Biblical, systematic tithes were compulsory, like a tax, during their time, not voluntary, and they were only received as consumable items. So I see Paul's comment as one that supports offerings to ministers, which are given per the discretion of the giver.
It is an act of Faith, plant a seed with your Tithe and God will bring blessings, simply my opinion
I think a pastor should of course be paid well for the work he does and so should all his staff and volunteers but I don't like that for every block there are three buildings all requiring financing from their followers. Why can't one building be used for multiple churches? Also if I put in my first 10% a day to offer it to a pastor. Am I to think, everyday...okay let's get this bacon for pastor? I'd like to think a % yes a % for those who are seeking the Lord for a miracle and my tithe can help their miracle.
Don’t think Paul used the word tithe one time. Support is not tithe
eat! The tithe.
These scripture will blow the storehouse money tithing heresy as taught by most churches today right out of the water...which is why they are NEVER preached!
NOTE: You the giver are to EAT your tithe in celebration before God to thanks ...Him for his blessings
NOTE You are only to give the tithe to the Levites and the poor in the THIRD
Year...the year of the tithe!
Deut 14:27-29 ……"At the end of every third year you shall bring out the
tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates. 29
And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the
stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may
come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all
the work of your hand which you do. NKJV
Deut 26-1-11 …(vs2) take some of the firstfruits of all that you produce
from the soil …and put them in a basket....(vs11) and you and the Levites,
and aliens shall rejoice in all the good things (ie EAT) that the Lord your God
has given you
NOTE Firstfruits are clearly not tithes …ie a basket which contains some of the
firstfruits (this can be verified in most bible dictionaries) ...and they were also
to be EATEN by the giver and shared with the Levites in a celebration!
Note We cannot be cursed today as born again believers for
disobeying the LAW of Moses (which never applied to Gentiles ...and today
cannot even be properly observed Jewish believers....as there is no temple or
Levitical priesthood)
Gal 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a
curse for us as it is written ‘Cursed is anyone who is hung on a tree’
If we all, that is every born again believers, are priest....we all should be edified so that we can work in the vineyard...we all should be given money....
THE PROBLEM WITH THE TITHE IN THE GRACE AGE ....GRACE IS THE LOVE AGE ... EVERYTHING IS DONE FROM LOVE ... WHILE THE TITHE WAS ORDAINED AS A LAW UNTO ISRAEL.
GRACE ISN'T LIMITED BY THE BOUNDARIES OF ISRAEL LIKE THE LAWS OF MOSES....GRACE REACHES THE WORLD AND ALL THE NATIONS.