@@Gcssdvnkloiutesc seeing all of his horrors come true in our society would probably have put him over the edge as well. Though I'd love to hear his thoughts on Instagram.
I treasure what I feel his critique of culture in the mid 90’s reflected. I always wondered why we as children were never asked to consider our values and why we held them. We are sort of handed our values down from adults as they were by their parents and rarely were we asked to reflect on them. The basic understanding is work hard and you prosper, yet, the question remains? What are we competing for? What must all this work lead us to? A polluted world with technology leaving us saturated with knowledge but devoid of wisdom? We collectively as a planet would do well to reflect on history and the future as we settle in to begin our educations. Without considered and weighed value structures, we end up needing strong people to tell us what to think, as he says fascism does. By not really making education about building better societies but more efficient technocrats, we end up with value free automatons ripe for addiction and drone like existences. This is essentially what I perceive from David Foster Wallace, a reluctant prophet in a hurried world.
thank you so much for uploading this interview. Infinite Jest is a great book and I wish DFW could have overcome(?) his depression somehow, he was such an intelligent guy and a great human being.
Yeah. What I'm thinking. As I am waiting for the petro-dollar to lose that petro-status and literally overnight this all goes from vaguely intact societal pseudo-freedom in a political and economical lie to absolute pre-fascist chaos.
Yes, whether it's fascism from the right or the left, both kind of seem to have reached the point. Now if both have and therefore none of the two can function as an antidote for the other... what is gonna happen?
Jake JakeJake that’s the thing though right? It’s not ever over night, we’re just slipping into it and some realize and some take comfort in the decrease of freedom and responsibility of being free
A lot of these big "radical" groups like BLM and XR are funded by the very billionaires and establishment they claim to oppose. Beware of anyone who goes on about "fact checking", "fake news" and "no platforming" - at face value they sound great but have sinister implications.
Great video editing. I love the sierpinsky gasket image overlapped with the sky wallpaper and Dave's head. The Michael Silverblatt's questions are also eliminated in the ways interview scripts were presented in IJ as well as Brief Interviews of Hideous Men. Thank you.
@@benjaminblancodirusso2671 Me too. Im curious at what he would of made of our culture in general. I was thinking about him today and about how he didn't have a TV. What would he have thought of tablets and phones? Would he have just ended up watching hours of UA-cam every day?
These are indeed precious documents and thank you very much for it. I read Infinite Jest and was impressed by it though not easy for a French speaking person to all apprehend it bu, having travelled in the US I could go with in its context.
These are indeed excellent videos and thank you very much for it. I read Infinite Jest and was impressed by it though not easy for a French speaking person to all apprehend it bu, having travelled in the US I could go with in its context.
i'll agree with you there, but i'm not so offended by it considering that the blue-sky-and-clouds imagery is prevalent in jest. plus it looks like DFW is sleeping in that picture...it kinda goes with how sleepy this makes me. not like it's boring, but his voice is so soothing...
This reminds me that I have not yet read "Chaos." Who knows what I will get done now that I have given up weed? I would love to feel like I really understand this. I wish DFW was still writing. I love the visuals on this Artzineonline. Thank you.
Surreal approach. Being Smart can be the loneliest place.. The Brave new World is calling.. Sirens on the horizon. AA is not what they’d like you to believe. The Bar with the Band and the broads and the guarantee to score.. Poor dude. Unless he felt zero guilt from pleasure and his pain was more than he was willing endure .. ? He will ripple in perpetuity.
I love how many people ignored all of the preamble to the fascism comment and just latched on to that comment to reinforce whatever ideological crap swirling through their heads.
Jake JakeJake exactly. i just see a lot of people being upset or disappointed or thinking he was weak or just too depressed to keep going. but the details around his situation are kind of enlightening. he had been taking old-school anti depressants that were physically poisoning him slowly. decided to take newer, less harmful ones, which ended up not helping him at all. tried several - same thing. so he went back to the old original ones & they had lost their effectiveness, so literally nothing could help him anymore & he had lost a bunch of weight & was extremely sick & in constant physical (& mental, i suppose) pain. i think it was his sister that was "watching" him that day & the doorbell rang. she went & checked it & when she came back, he had hanged himself. still so sad, but idk... his life seemed pretty rough & that point, & i can't blame him. it just wasn't as simple as "he killed him self because he was depressed."
@@dogwalk3I just... Well I'm absolutely new to him and his insight. I stumbled across an interview with him and was greatly pleased to hear his perspective on american existence and more. then while listening to this, the third or fourth thing of his i was eagerly consuming i scroll down to see this thread and realised after i inquired above that he was indeed no longer alive and had taken his life in agonizing dispair. I can't seem to wrap my head around it. He spoke, even when relating to feeling isolated or regarding downturned emotion, with this sense of hope... faith even (I would not be so bold or ignorant to as to suggest i know what his beliefs or theology were, I say faith in a sense of ...just... perhaps a knowledge of something to be garnered from personal suffering, learning from discontentment). I guess I just have a hard time reconciling his words with such a tragedy, but... I also know from friends, some dead from suicide and overdose, as well as a recent episode with my cousin and his near-complete unravelling... that pharmaceutical assisted mental health maintenance is no less than playing with fire. So, I am disheartened to know this beacon of a voice silenced himself, but I know also that he may not have been his whole self at that time, and out of respect rest my lack of understanding right where it sits. I'll only add that I watched the trailer for the 2015 Jason Segel film portrayed as about him, was unimpressed, and won't be ever watching it. I live in L.A. I love film. I despise hollywood, especially of the past decade. It's a sick place, filled with people writhing in their praise within a closed network of rich deviants, politically influenced and agenda driven pseudo-artists, casting-couch stained productions. A slave barge kept afloat by a handful of corrupted, heretical jews of Babylonian exile level perversion floating on a sea that is the nodding subset of doltish consumer star-obsessives eating up every movie as though it comes from a fresh place of creativity, but more and more each release seems to represent more the fetid aspects of a parasitic lie continuously fed to this nation about itself, perverting self image and spreading self-absorbed, amoral, masturbatory, nihilistic introspection. So, the film is likely using soundbites of this man's depth as a means to further the filmmaker's and actors themselves, not an effort to portray a man with honesty and love.
Wow, listening to this in 2022, at the 6:50 mark, David Foster Wallace was foretelling the rise of the conservative/fascist movement in America. All the way back in 1996.
I don't think it's quite what he's doing, because this movement had already begun in the Reagan era, which DFW had grown up in. What he's doing is noticing this young movement in its nascence and recognizing one of the realistic ways it could grow, which few intellectuals at the time identified the way he did.
interesting guy. Im hungering to read some Pynchon after ten years of not reading him. Ordering a fresh Gravity's. May get back to Wallace if I can handle it. I'm scared though. I'm scared to try the Pale King. infinte Jest was a fine place to be for awhile. The descriptions of the violin sound against the window and the eyes in the deformed baby, that stuff is almost too dangerous for me to read. His description of the scent of lemon pledge, that reminds me of noticing the smell of cleaners after coming down on acid. But I loved Pemulis and his subversive dress sense. Where he's basically badly dressed.
+calabiyou Randy Lenz is also insanely interesting. All that time and North shit...This book has many humans dressed as devils. No angels though (but Don G., maybe?)
just so you know, the black and white rocket splattery Penguin edition of Gravity's rainbow has printing errors and even a few cut-short sentences. I found the rocket blueprint cover edition the easiest to find for purchase (besides the flawed penguin one). late I know but just so you know.
I'm a mathematician and I don't see it. Whatever the principle is, it has to be subtle, I guess one would have to read the whole book again with that one thing in mind. I'll get back at you once I've figured it out ;) And speaking to that other comment below, Against the Day is an amazing novel, but comparing it to Infinite Jest is very much apples and oranges.
ucrclxl i guess it has to do with the curve that connects the nodes in the gasket, where the nodes are the chunks of story, just like grant sanderson explains in this amazing video: ua-cam.com/video/bdMfjfT0lKk/v-deo.html
The themes are first introduced in broad, sweeping strokes, for example, the descriptions of Ennet House and ETA that represent addiction, which I suppose would be the equivalent of the main and largest triangle of a Sierpinski gasket. As the novel progresses we continuously delve deeper into the main themes, for example how DFW begins to detail the intricacies of AA culture, and then zooms in to give us nuanced and personal third-person views from individual addicts and their journey. This (mostly metaphorically) replicates the recursion of a Sierpinski triangle, how upon closer inspection and repetition the “triangles” or themes get more complex and nuanced and detailed.
@@user-hg4ow8hc1s sounds like pretentious nonsense. Why the 2-dimensional (embedded in 2d and not in 1, yes I know fractal dimensions are a thing) sierpenski triangle rather than the much simpler (embedded in) 1-dimensional cantor set? It’s an ironic reflection of his pretentiousness that a Sierpinski triangle has measure 0 - the more you zoom in the less ‘substance’ you discover it has. If you could zoom in infinitely, you would discover there is no substance at all ;)
@@lorcanoconnor6274 I’m not disagreeing with you, the whole thing is definitely highly abstract, but as far as substance goes in terms of the book’s literary merit, I guess that’s subjective. I don’t think his supposed “fractal structure” of the book has any real effect on its meaning or impact, for sure.
@@lorcanoconnor6274 Though I will say I would’ve been interested to see his original manuscript (which had an additional 200-ish pages) to see if he was able to do anything more with the form’s structure
DFW is very smart and he's very well spoken in interviews. And I think his insights are quite good. But I'll be honest, his very criticism of avant-garde fiction is how I feel about Infinite Jest. 70 pages in I had to drop it, because if an author can't make me even remotely care about their work by 70 pages I don't care to indulge them.
I don't know if Infinite Jest does seduce the reader. I'm over halfway through and that is to do with lockdown, not being "seduced". I like DFW as a person, but I don't think IF appears to work.
Obviously not, I think Infinite Jest is partially about how folks will brag about reading Ulysses to understand its references than what in it affects them, or that being what keeps you reading it that you're a superior to someone who reads Tom Clancy or Steven King so you're allowed this vague tone of condescension. The best example would be CS Lewis who shares alot of the same influences as Joyce like Yeats, Milton, Dante, and so on but his work is written off for whatever reason, that it isnt seen as clever, The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe is dismissed or praised as allegorical despite the white witch is specifically said to be a daughter of Lilith and that then brings I to question what all these mythical creatures are doing in the story that's "allegorical"? I think that's why Infinite Jest adopts that style that's compared to Pynchon or Joyce. Me when I read Pynchon and Joyce I get drastically different things. Or Beckett to add another name.
@@37Dionysos Time will tell and I agree perhaps in artistry but with the others Im not so sure. IJ has left its pattern and influence on us literararians and demands to be considered fully.
@@benjamMin2780 Thanks. Yes, we're in a bind called time, for 2022 = 100 years since 'Ulysses' appeared and we won't know for almost that long about IJ's influence. All books "demand to be considered fully" but what decides is their gravitational pull on readers and serious critics (many of them teachers) who know when tradition has turned another corner. Am sure 'Ulysses' and Joyce did that, really too soon to tell about 'IJ.' (btw, enjoy best key to 'Ulysses' in Richard Elmann's "Ulysses on the Liffey," a small very incisive guide to what Joyce is most deeply about [Love].)
Jack - Smartest comment here. Americans don’t fear the excesses of the left only because they have seen too many movies about nazism and probably not even one about gulags , Stalin, Pol Pot or Maoist China.
Have you read DFW? Your comment is precisely a self conscious concern he was very open about as to The Fraudulent Paradox. Therefore, it is actually fitting that your interpretation is him playing mind games with his audience, which that is pretty much what he is doing but I don't believe maliciously. Ultimately he is trying to comfort the reader by distracting them from frivolous concern by providing an engaging platform to lose themselves. I can certainly appreciate your ideas; however, I think there is a glimmer of sincerity that sometimes can get lost.
Rex Waide hey man I'm not here to take part in this bs (crafty council) why not just be str8 up with people instead of complicating things. You feel smart thinking you understand this guy huh? check out on UA-cam the "mcfly code" ask mister foster, he was placed on this society to shift it dummy.
410jockstrapp im not trying to be antagonistic. My aim is to understand your view and maybe show you what I believe DFW was trying to achieve with his work. No antagonism intended.
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my god I would listen to this man talking about anything all day long
I wish he could have just stuck around for another decade. He would have been such a force in today’s conversations about a search for meaning.
I don’t think he would of liked that, the status of a public intellectual.
@@Gcssdvnkloiutesc seeing all of his horrors come true in our society would probably have put him over the edge as well. Though I'd love to hear his thoughts on Instagram.
I don't know how you managed to get all these DFW interviews. But you have done an amazing memorial to him. Thank you so much.
i love this man! my favourite writer and though we never met, i think one of my favourite people!!
miss your words David!!!!
I'm immersed in IJ after having fallen for DFW through his essays. Thank you for allowing me to see his work, and his intent, through his eyes.
I treasure what I feel his critique of culture in the mid 90’s reflected. I always wondered why we as children were never asked to consider our values and why we held them. We are sort of handed our values down from adults as they were by their parents and rarely were we asked to reflect on them. The basic understanding is work hard and you prosper, yet, the question remains? What are we competing for? What must all this work lead us to? A polluted world with technology leaving us saturated with knowledge but devoid of wisdom?
We collectively as a planet would do well to reflect on history and the future as we settle in to begin our educations. Without considered and weighed value structures, we end up needing strong people to tell us what to think, as he says fascism does. By not really making education about building better societies but more efficient technocrats, we end up with value free automatons ripe for addiction and drone like existences. This is essentially what I perceive from David Foster Wallace, a reluctant prophet in a hurried world.
“We are setting ourselves up for fascism” indeed!
Loneliness is very sad.
thank you so much for uploading this interview. Infinite Jest is a great book and I wish DFW could have overcome(?) his depression somehow, he was such an intelligent guy and a great human being.
It’s just impossible but im glad he brought us what he was capable of
Sounds like he was talking about the end game of cultural nihilism and the desire for fascism twenty years ago. Here we are.
Yeah. What I'm thinking. As I am waiting for the petro-dollar to lose that petro-status and literally overnight this all goes from vaguely intact societal pseudo-freedom in a political and economical lie to absolute pre-fascist chaos.
Lets gooooo
Yes, whether it's fascism from the right or the left, both kind of seem to have reached the point. Now if both have and therefore none of the two can function as an antidote for the other... what is gonna happen?
Jake JakeJake that’s the thing though right? It’s not ever over night, we’re just slipping into it and some realize and some take comfort in the decrease of freedom and responsibility of being free
A lot of these big "radical" groups like BLM and XR are funded by the very billionaires and establishment they claim to oppose.
Beware of anyone who goes on about "fact checking", "fake news" and "no platforming" - at face value they sound great but have sinister implications.
Great video editing. I love the sierpinsky gasket image overlapped with the sky wallpaper and Dave's head. The Michael Silverblatt's questions are also eliminated in the ways interview scripts were presented in IJ as well as Brief Interviews of Hideous Men. Thank you.
"America is setting itself up for fascism". I wish Dave was here to analyze the current state of America.
I would die for him writing an essay bout Trump and the last four years.
@@benjaminblancodirusso2671 Me too. Im curious at what he would of made of our culture in general. I was thinking about him today and about how he didn't have a TV. What would he have thought of tablets and phones? Would he have just ended up watching hours of UA-cam every day?
@@erikbuchanan4648 I like to think that FW would see the good things of it
Eh. Not really. America is far from facism.
Watch yuribezmenov
Thanks for all these vids, appreciate it
6:54 wow such foresight
prophetic.
Interesting how it came from academia.
Nietzsche said it over 100 years ago.
Why do you think that?
These are indeed precious documents and thank you very much for it. I read Infinite Jest and was impressed by it though not easy for a French speaking person to all apprehend it bu, having travelled in the US I could go with in its context.
7:20 so visionary
These are indeed excellent videos and thank you very much for it. I read Infinite Jest and was impressed by it though not easy for a French speaking person to all apprehend it bu, having travelled in the US I could go with in its context.
It’s nice to know DFW also struggled with worrying whether what he was doing was pretentious.
i'll agree with you there, but i'm not so offended by it considering that the blue-sky-and-clouds imagery is prevalent in jest.
plus it looks like DFW is sleeping in that picture...it kinda goes with how sleepy this makes me. not like it's boring, but his voice is so soothing...
This reminds me that I have not yet read "Chaos." Who knows what I will get done now that I have given up weed? I would love to feel like I really understand this. I wish DFW was still writing. I love the visuals on this Artzineonline. Thank you.
Surreal approach. Being Smart can be the loneliest place.. The Brave new World is calling.. Sirens on the horizon. AA is not what they’d like you to believe. The Bar with the Band and the broads and the guarantee to score.. Poor dude. Unless he felt zero guilt from pleasure and his pain was more than he was willing endure .. ? He will ripple in perpetuity.
Being pompous and pretentious is even lonelier
no he's referring to Schitt, he does not run the academy but is the only member of academy staff who is ever described as a facist
Thanks a lot.
I love how many people ignored all of the preamble to the fascism comment and just latched on to that comment to reinforce whatever ideological crap swirling through their heads.
"Remember who you are."
remember...remember...remember
david foster wallace "eliminated his own map" :(
:(
did you ever end up researching why?
@@dogwalk3 Wait, this man committed suicide? Is that what you are (were) talking about here?
Jake JakeJake exactly. i just see a lot of people being upset or disappointed or thinking he was weak or just too depressed to keep going. but the details around his situation are kind of enlightening. he had been taking old-school anti depressants that were physically poisoning him slowly. decided to take newer, less harmful ones, which ended up not helping him at all. tried several - same thing. so he went back to the old original ones & they had lost their effectiveness, so literally nothing could help him anymore & he had lost a bunch of weight & was extremely sick & in constant physical (& mental, i suppose) pain. i think it was his sister that was "watching" him that day & the doorbell rang. she went & checked it & when she came back, he had hanged himself. still so sad, but idk... his life seemed pretty rough & that point, & i can't blame him. it just wasn't as simple as "he killed him self because he was depressed."
@@dogwalk3I just... Well I'm absolutely new to him and his insight. I stumbled across an interview with him and was greatly pleased to hear his perspective on american existence and more. then while listening to this, the third or fourth thing of his i was eagerly consuming i scroll down to see this thread and realised after i inquired above that he was indeed no longer alive and had taken his life in agonizing dispair. I can't seem to wrap my head around it. He spoke, even when relating to feeling isolated or regarding downturned emotion, with this sense of hope... faith even (I would not be so bold or ignorant to as to suggest i know what his beliefs or theology were, I say faith in a sense of ...just... perhaps a knowledge of something to be garnered from personal suffering, learning from discontentment).
I guess I just have a hard time reconciling his words with such a tragedy, but... I also know from friends, some dead from suicide and overdose, as well as a recent episode with my cousin and his near-complete unravelling... that pharmaceutical assisted mental health maintenance is no less than playing with fire. So, I am disheartened to know this beacon of a voice silenced himself, but I know also that he may not have been his whole self at that time, and out of respect rest my lack of understanding right where it sits.
I'll only add that I watched the trailer for the 2015 Jason Segel film portrayed as about him, was unimpressed, and won't be ever watching it.
I live in L.A. I love film.
I despise hollywood, especially of the past decade.
It's a sick place, filled with people writhing in their praise within a closed network of rich deviants, politically influenced and agenda driven pseudo-artists, casting-couch stained productions. A slave barge kept afloat by a handful of corrupted, heretical jews of Babylonian exile level perversion floating on a sea that is the nodding subset of doltish consumer star-obsessives eating up every movie as though it comes from a fresh place of creativity, but more and more each release seems to represent more the fetid aspects of a parasitic lie continuously fed to this nation about itself, perverting self image and spreading self-absorbed, amoral, masturbatory, nihilistic introspection.
So, the film is likely using soundbites of this man's depth as a means to further the filmmaker's and actors themselves, not an effort to portray a man with honesty and love.
@s0th0th I believe he's referring to Tavis (?)
Wow, listening to this in 2022, at the 6:50 mark, David Foster Wallace was foretelling the rise of the conservative/fascist movement in America. All the way back in 1996.
I don't think it's quite what he's doing, because this movement had already begun in the Reagan era, which DFW had grown up in. What he's doing is noticing this young movement in its nascence and recognizing one of the realistic ways it could grow, which few intellectuals at the time identified the way he did.
7:20
6:54 “we’re setting ourselves up for fascism”
I disagree.
Sometimes knowing (just about) everything is not a good thing.
interesting guy. Im hungering to read some Pynchon after ten years of not reading him. Ordering a fresh Gravity's. May get back to Wallace if I can handle it. I'm scared though. I'm scared to try the Pale King. infinte Jest was a fine place to be for awhile. The descriptions of the violin sound against the window and the eyes in the deformed baby, that stuff is almost too dangerous for me to read. His description of the scent of lemon pledge, that reminds me of noticing the smell of cleaners after coming down on acid. But I loved Pemulis and his subversive dress sense. Where he's basically badly dressed.
+calabiyou Randy Lenz is also insanely interesting. All that time and North shit...This book has many humans dressed as devils. No angels though (but Don G., maybe?)
just so you know, the black and white rocket splattery Penguin edition of Gravity's rainbow has printing errors and even a few cut-short sentences. I found the rocket blueprint cover edition the easiest to find for purchase (besides the flawed penguin one). late I know but just so you know.
calabiyou calm down & start reading. the works isn't that complicated. we are not that interweave.
honestly, the pale king was an easier read.
PK is easier to get into than IJ. Don't fear the PK! I haven't decided the best way to tackle IJ but audio seems good.
I'm a mathematician and I don't see it. Whatever the principle is, it has to be subtle, I guess one would have to read the whole book again with that one thing in mind.
I'll get back at you once I've figured it out ;)
And speaking to that other comment below, Against the Day is an amazing novel, but comparing it to Infinite Jest is very much apples and oranges.
ucrclxl i guess it has to do with the curve that connects the nodes in the gasket, where the nodes are the chunks of story, just like grant sanderson explains in this amazing video: ua-cam.com/video/bdMfjfT0lKk/v-deo.html
From what interview is this?
@s0th0th Definitely.
thanks :)
Can someone explain how the fuck a book can be structured like a Sierpinski triangle?
The themes are first introduced in broad, sweeping strokes, for example, the descriptions of Ennet House and ETA that represent addiction, which I suppose would be the equivalent of the main and largest triangle of a Sierpinski gasket.
As the novel progresses we continuously delve deeper into the main themes, for example how DFW begins to detail the intricacies of AA culture, and then zooms in to give us nuanced and personal third-person views from individual addicts and their journey.
This (mostly metaphorically) replicates the recursion of a Sierpinski triangle, how upon closer inspection and repetition the “triangles” or themes get more complex and nuanced and detailed.
@@user-hg4ow8hc1s sounds like pretentious nonsense. Why the 2-dimensional (embedded in 2d and not in 1, yes I know fractal dimensions are a thing) sierpenski triangle rather than the much simpler (embedded in) 1-dimensional cantor set? It’s an ironic reflection of his pretentiousness that a Sierpinski triangle has measure 0 - the more you zoom in the less ‘substance’ you discover it has. If you could zoom in infinitely, you would discover there is no substance at all ;)
@@lorcanoconnor6274 I’m not disagreeing with you, the whole thing is definitely highly abstract, but as far as substance goes in terms of the book’s literary merit, I guess that’s subjective. I don’t think his supposed “fractal structure” of the book has any real effect on its meaning or impact, for sure.
@@lorcanoconnor6274 Though I will say I would’ve been interested to see his original manuscript (which had an additional 200-ish pages) to see if he was able to do anything more with the form’s structure
what academy
He knows a lot but he is cued in and it is almost impossible to think around him when he thinks he is on a roll.
"I sorta think like all the way down...kinda to my butthole..." 5:10 lol
hey
DFW is very smart and he's very well spoken in interviews. And I think his insights are quite good. But I'll be honest, his very criticism of avant-garde fiction is how I feel about Infinite Jest. 70 pages in I had to drop it, because if an author can't make me even remotely care about their work by 70 pages I don't care to indulge them.
Would you prefer a more momentary pleasure perhaps?
I felt the same way but kept going. Soon I really got into it and was glad I didn't give up. I hope you eventually picked it back up.
Thats what I found ironic about him
That's kind of a major theme in the novel, you know?
@@vlvvv2064 finite jest
I bet he's watching this election and spinning in his grave
Also this one lmao
I don't know if Infinite Jest does seduce the reader. I'm over halfway through and that is to do with lockdown, not being "seduced". I like DFW as a person, but I don't think IF appears to work.
2022 Fascism…here we are.
horrifying relevant comments in regards to america's current fascistic vulnerabilities tucked in here
This is a great interview and all, but the video is fucking weird. The clouds rolling over DFW's face is just a little creepy.
James Joyce he ain't.
Obviously not, I think Infinite Jest is partially about how folks will brag about reading Ulysses to understand its references than what in it affects them, or that being what keeps you reading it that you're a superior to someone who reads Tom Clancy or Steven King so you're allowed this vague tone of condescension. The best example would be CS Lewis who shares alot of the same influences as Joyce like Yeats, Milton, Dante, and so on but his work is written off for whatever reason, that it isnt seen as clever, The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe is dismissed or praised as allegorical despite the white witch is specifically said to be a daughter of Lilith and that then brings I to question what all these mythical creatures are doing in the story that's "allegorical"? I think that's why Infinite Jest adopts that style that's compared to Pynchon or Joyce. Me when I read Pynchon and Joyce I get drastically different things. Or Beckett to add another name.
In terms of knowledge or intellect?
@@benjamMin2780 In terms of artistry, achievement and influence
@@37Dionysos Time will tell and I agree perhaps in artistry but with the others Im not so sure. IJ has left its pattern and influence on us literararians and demands to be considered fully.
@@benjamMin2780 Thanks. Yes, we're in a bind called time, for 2022 = 100 years since 'Ulysses' appeared and we won't know for almost that long about IJ's influence. All books "demand to be considered fully" but what decides is their gravitational pull on readers and serious critics (many of them teachers) who know when tradition has turned another corner. Am sure 'Ulysses' and Joyce did that, really too soon to tell about 'IJ.' (btw, enjoy best key to 'Ulysses' in Richard Elmann's "Ulysses on the Liffey," a small very incisive guide to what Joyce is most deeply about [Love].)
"Setting ourselves up for fascism."
See: Trump, Sanders
Hillary
Sanders fascist? Riiiiiight....
neoliberals be like
Stfu with Sanders being a fascist if ANYTHING he would be a socialist but even saying that wouldn't even remotely touch the truth
Jack - Smartest comment here. Americans don’t fear the excesses of the left only because they have seen too many movies about nazism and probably not even one about gulags , Stalin, Pol Pot or Maoist China.
Into The Trash It Goes
Jesus Christ if you don't have the interest or intelligence to read it, give it to a library or a book shop.
he's the devil himself
410jockstrapp explain
Rex Waide he's so enlightened huh? he sound smart to somebody stupid. he's playing games.
Have you read DFW? Your comment is precisely a self conscious concern he was very open about as to The Fraudulent Paradox. Therefore, it is actually fitting that your interpretation is him playing mind games with his audience, which that is pretty much what he is doing but I don't believe maliciously. Ultimately he is trying to comfort the reader by distracting them from frivolous concern by providing an engaging platform to lose themselves. I can certainly appreciate your ideas; however, I think there is a glimmer of sincerity that sometimes can get lost.
Rex Waide hey man I'm not here to take part in this bs (crafty council) why not just be str8 up with people instead of complicating things. You feel smart thinking you understand this guy huh? check out on UA-cam the "mcfly code" ask mister foster, he was placed on this society to shift it dummy.
410jockstrapp im not trying to be antagonistic. My aim is to understand your view and maybe show you what I believe DFW was trying to achieve with his work. No antagonism intended.