Spirit of the Law vs AoE4 Hardest AI
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- Опубліковано 27 жов 2021
- Age of Empires 4 gameplay against the hardest AI (with an intermediate AI friend along for the ride). We'll see how French knights fare against English longbows.
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Game: Age of Empires II Definitive Edition - Ігри
This is also known as the "Me and my little brother against my dad" setup back in the day... :P
This is so factual
hahaha this is me vs my 8 year old and an intermediate ai
Nobody calls it like that you schizo.
Literally me and my little brother vs my dad playing aoe 1 rise of Rome so accurate lol
@@jackwu7028 aoe1 warms my heart
Spirit: so today I’ll be facing the hardest AI.
Me: oh cool this’ll be a challenge
Spirit: and I’ll add in another AI to help him
Me: *goes back to losing to easy AI*
Me currently
I have never once said, "let me rush the easier AI so the harder AI has a chance to attack me."
Seeing the English as blue and the French as red is seriously damaging my calm center.
Identity crisis: begins
history retold from a colorblind point of view
true
agreed, it does not spark joy....
Yea.... red coats should be red!
I love the little things in this game. Like how the units yell when enemies are coming
And when they win the skirmish it's a nice touch
Hey guys, so for those who were wondering like SotL whether there was a "select all military"-button, there is! It's ctrl+shift+c.
Thank you!
I like how the voice lines add to the subtitles
"The thing is, though, they're all, well, maybe not all, but mostly pros trying to grind for a tournament and I don't really want to waste their time."
Challenging SotL confirmed to be futile! Is there any actual proof of him ever having lost a game?
We mortals can't stand up to the spirit.....of the law
Yup, here is the proof you desire.
ua-cam.com/video/7NpUUyHyvUs/v-deo.html
@@MrHeesman Lieeees! That can't possibly be the real SOTL. It was probably an impostor.
@@robin9740 It was his little brother playing and his controller was not even plugged in.
Sotl is probably waaay bettwr than all of us but to a competitive level even he has said he's not so great, he is the coach of coaches tho, and he holds the knowledge that people like hera and the Viper can exploit. He takes others to a treasure he cannot posses hahahs
I'm fairly sure the camera also splits the difference when you select a group that has units in several places on the map in AoE2, rather than jumping to the most recent addition.
Maybe an option, but it definitely splits the difference for me. So annoying...
splits the difference for me
"Just 1 hardest AI is a little too easy for me" ok Viper no need to brag. I can only beat 1 easy AI
We should play against each other then.
@@HandsomeGamerGuy aight bet
as a fellow noob I relate to that statement
I was able to win against intermediate ai as rus, now trying to replicate it
I feel this comment so much. I'm over here BARELY can 1v1 a moderate AI. And hard dumps me if I don't also have a hard AI....that is in their way.
Hey, Spirit, I was wondering if AoE 4 does well enough are you thinking about making Civ overviews? The Civ Overviews are some of the most interesting videos on the platform, and seeing them for AoE 4 would be dope!
The first few weeks to months should be all about balancing the multiplayer and fixing bugs + optimizing. So it would be even longer than just waiting for stability in player population.
@@Falindio I mean I got time, how about you?
@@uzukiltd.4133 Definitely. SOTL thorough content is worth all the wait.
@@Falindio Absolutely.
They will probably come at some point.
I do think though that we wont get propper ones until the map editor arrives
I’m surprised siege towers work that way. I thought they would setup against an opponent’s wall and function like a gatehouse allowing footsoldiers to move on and off the wall from that point.
yeah that sounds a lot better
That is how they work, and how they worked in AOE2, he just didn't take the time to try it out because he was busy with the battle.
Once it is 'hooked' to the wall, you can selected troops and send them on the wall and they will use the Siege tower as a ladder.
Remains to be seen if a fully manned wall becomes a legit defensive strategy.
@@AFBBProductions I'd like to try Chinese gunpowder units lining the walls with the great gatehouse landmark built. It would like pretty cool especially on a mountainous fortress looking wall
I love the sound design in this game.
The most important take-away from this whole game is knowing how much wood income you need to sustain Longbowmen from the Council Hall.
Can we get the calculation explained?
The hardest A.I. will never be as ruthless as when Spirit called the choice between the two English landmarks "a reading comprehension test."
Edit: Whenever I hear him talk about "milling deer" I get a terrifying vision of a deer attached to a milling machine....
Spirit of the savage
The Abbey needs something. Functioning like a monastery with earlier access to monks and tech?
The deers are being grinded under the mill stone
@@AsgeirAakre that would be cool for a unique sacred sites rush
@@johnmcdonald4881 Funny thing is that the Delhi Sultanate can already do that - from Dark Age!
SOTL was attacking the AI before the game even started
Cant wait for Spirits analysis videos on each civs.. And i like how i learnt a bit of history from each 1 of them.
I think you'll be interested to know that the devs are working behind the scenes on a machine-learning AI thats just spectating matches to learn what to do. I imagine with significant training time in a year or two there'll be a beast AI.
Big if true, using machine learning for an rts ai has been my dream since i saw open ai micro a pro starcraft player into rage quitting a live game, lol.
Depends on who the ai gets exposed to. Tournaments and high rank matches? Lethal ai. All matches? Probably a chaotic ai that performs miserably and like a pro in the same match
@@Hawkins676767 Honestly it's good to have options, I'd love to have the option to choose between different AI sets.
@@Hawkins676767 I'm almost certain that there will be ai learning from different tiers of competitive play. like you can set it to hard to fight the top 5% of the ladder, or medium to fight the middle 20% or something. They can decide which elo to expose it to.
@@Hawkins676767 eh idk cause the ai still needs to be "rewarded" sobit wouldnt make questionable plays
The AI's indecisiveness when it comes to engaging with your archers is really hurting it.
yep i noticed this playing last night... the AI allowed my spearmen to engage their archers and their archers only started firing when their move order was complete... which happened to be right in the middle of my spearmen... If they were player controlled, the archers would have won... I'm going to presume that in future the AI will get better and better.
Is it just me or both viper and spirit make the hardest AI of AOE 4 look like the hard AI of age of conquerors?
Sotl and Viper can also spank extreme ai in aoe2. Not a big difference.
imo the AI in aoe4 is just much weaker than aoe2
because the ai is just plain bad
Being able to set AI's difficulty individually is quite a nice feature that I wish was in AoE2
you can do that in AOE2
@@cory8606 How? As far I know, AI difficulty is just a single setting
Is this a troll? More or less suggesting aoe2 difficulties are too easy?
@@Jeff55369 No. They are pointing out that there is only a single difficulty menu for all AIs in aoe2, as opposed to one difficulty menu per AI as it is here and in most other RTS.
@@c0mmanderKeen ahh, i see, ty.
*doesn't get double bit axe*
"Why do I need so many on wood?"
Happy that you main the Mongols, as they are my main faction as well and I think there will be many nuances to be found for their play (that you will hopefully find and highlight).
I am sooo happy it just released for the public!
Looks alright, but nothing I would spend money on.
@@ejnaygfantzcg cool story bro
Hype. But I'm not swimming in gold rn, so I'm gonna wait for a sale.
I like the lightning that comes from the sky, i the hate the lack of waypoints to know where your units are going to when you click on them.
Id love to see some of your Mongol gameplay. I really liked playing them and was super excited to play some more when it launched. I learned however I am absolutely horrible at the game, so much to learn.
Spent all day yesterday trying to figure out all the civs without getting wrecked by the ai in feudal every tike
Usually play as mongol by immediately search for stone and built ovo, then place the town center on the corner of ovo with position near any resources (wood/gold). All villager then goes to the sheep and Create more villager to wood till 100 and create ger to gold (to wood if your tc already near gold). Get to feudal, place archery range on another corner of the ovo then spam mangundai till get about 5-8. Go with your khan and kill enemy villager as much as you can, while also create more and more mangundai. Create blacksmith if you have the wood, research siege, then build barrack so you can create battering ram, 2 is enough. Now end your enemy.
Even hardest feels easy
Different difficulty AIs in the same match? Best game ever!
Honestly hope you make more of these
Everytime you post man I'm like, "Oooo gonna be watchin Spirit of the Law tonight" shits enjoyable and educational for my null aoe2 skills.
Sotl : *"Age of empires"*
YT : *"Age of vampires"*
Ok youtube, you do you. Ngl, that sounds quite good though. Imagine RTS game with vampires xD
So, the funny thing about that is that when I was a kid (8ish?), I introduced a friend of mine to Age. He went home and told his parents how I introduced him to the game "Ancient Vampires". Yeah, their parents had a chat with mine about what games I was showing their son XD
@@daynegraves1969 I assume they called your parents to be proud of your choice in games? :P
@@omarm7968 XD
After they talked with my parents and realized what the game was, they had no issues with their son playing it, and they even got him the game a year or so later. But that initial conversation 😂😂😂
@@daynegraves1969 I can only imagine 😂😂 If my future children ever play Ancient Vampires though I would be proud 😂
There's actually a mod for the original Age of Conquerors named "Age of Vampires" with actual monster factions, so it kinda exists already. 11
34:30 looks cool with the breached walls and units pouring in
It's time
The game is out to the masses
Can't but it I have no muneh
too expensive still
You can download it on pc through the Xbox game pass
More, please. I can't get enough of this
Spirit, I would love to see a video on whether AoE4 encourages mixed unit armies compared with AoE2 or will single unit spamming still be the meta?
I think the game does, it reeeally got me crazy how spirit didnt even got a spear or two to protect his archers and how he didn't make a single ram with them. Both rides, to yellow and red, could have killed them if he had added 5 spears and two rams on them.
I think that AOE4 encourages mixing units in castle age instead of fueldle age
@@ronansuperfrog8425 I think it always does is just that it gets more important with every age, in early ages like feudal is easier to get around with more of the same unit, like bows or infantry. But is always useful to mix even a couple units because the counters are very hard in comparison to previous aoe games I feel. Specialy for destroying buildings if you are going for an archer rush, you have the economy is not that hard.
If you dont mix units you will get countered very hard. No cavalry? Splash artillery will murder you. All heavy armor? Enjoy getting crossbowed/handcannoned to death. Archer cavalry? Enjoy dying to grounded ranged, especially cannons.
This has given me such a great visual as to how I need to play. Been playing almost 2 weeks and I've been able to point out so much wrong I've been doing...like rushing farms for instance LOL.
Love the continious yells by the scout whenever she spots something
I don’t even have the game but im super hyped for the civ reviews
Fun seeing you reenact the chevauchee and the battles of the hundred years war.
I think the main purpose for siege towers is to drop some units near enemy archers firing from the top and cut them down. If there aren't any you can run down the gates , but dropping only 8 units at a time seems a bit slow otherwise.
You can sorta select all TCs by pressing F4. It will also select all landmarks and if you try to queue villagers, it would distribute the queue among all of the structures that can produce villagers.
That poor lamb running around with the scout 🥺
It's so cute when the sheep run to your scout, I wouldn't be able to kill them for food lol
“I hardest AI isn’t hard enough for me” Me: Getting absolutely stomped by the normal AI
So far, I've been enjoying the game, though some of the controls are gonna take a bit to get used to.
Now if I may add, the Hotkey for "Select all idle military" is Ctrl+, by default. (for some reason you can't set it to Shift, but oh well.) Sadly, there's no hotkey for selecting only Villagers at this moment, but I guess for now if we were to select units+villagers, we can Shift+click their icons in the UI to deselect them, or Ctrl+Click the unit icon we want it to select only that unit type.
*Select all Military:* Ctrl + M (or Ctrl, Shift + C)
Also, when I want to pump out as many of one unit from a specific building, I hotkey that building to 9 or something (ctrl + 9), and then just tap 9, and hold down Q to queue all of that unit.
Nice playthrough, man. You make me feel so useless at this game, haha.
Siege tower buff when
Scouts can hunt deer with ranged atk, and they can also pick up the corpses and bring them back to your base. So no point to not build your mill at the berries, which you can't move.
You can't move berries?!?!
Thats with a later upgrade. If you want to get them early you gotta mill em.
@@redhammer92 its super cheap (75g/25w) and available from the second age. You really shouldn't run out of food resources other than deer before you can easily acquire it. And it will pay itself back through saving you wood from not having to build farms for longer.
Sotl: i've realized you need gold more than wood.
Also Sotl: food is fine, you need wood to make longbows.
Try pressing F1, F2, F3, and F4, it cycles through selecting all of various building types, then you can just click on the variety you want to work with.
If you control+click on the unit in a group it will isolate that unit
If you shift click it will remove them from the larger group.
So shift click vills to leave them out of army movement.
Control click to select them to build something.
What if your archers are arranges with the Z key and each row is a control group,(1, 2, and 3) with the whole group being 4, so you can activate Row 1 palings and not everyone in the group..?
I think one problem is the camera it's really low, to the point that trebuchet stones fly above the camera position. They should move the camera a lot higher, but zoom in so you can se the entire trajectory of the stones, like in AoE2 (even if that is 2D) but the effect is the same.
Satellite view vs drone view
The scaling of units compared to buildings compared to siege units and then those walls looks ridiculous
Você joga muito, parabéns ✌🏼👏🏼🇧🇷
Will you make Civ overviews and balance changes videos on AOE4
Any reason why you did not choose build RAM at earlier stage (after researching from blacksmith)?
i m in love with the voice actors
the slight echo they added makes the game vivid
CTRL+Shift+C will select all military units. You can see all the keybinds if you make a custom keybind profile under advanced.
can you do it vs the updated hardest AI? ;)
This game is really good, already feels comfortable but with much new to learn
Oh yeah and speaking of hotkeys, I found one major annoyance during the stress test. They swapped the buttons and hotkeys for the lumber camp and mining camp compared to AoE2. I constantly built mining camps by accident near tree lines and such, my muscle memory let me down. Not as much letdown as the design team regarding hotkeys in AoE4 though. XD
watched Hera go insane trying to not do this lmao
Why not just reverse the Hotkeys?
Can someone let me know if AOE4 has a progression system? For example, does finishing single/multi games offer any rewards for playing? An explanation would be nice. Thanks!
You level up and earn some cosmetic rewards. Nothing that changes the gameplay.
Like the other said. You unlock nice goodies, like Icons, Background theme and a different statue which is inside your Hometown.
How are you moving your military waypoint without the camera jumping? I hit f1 and the camera always jumps to buildings
CTRL+A selects all units in the screen, then shift+click on units you don't want moving.
you can also press ctrl+shift+c to select all military, then ctr+click on the icon of the type you want to see, then home to see where it is.
rebind home if that's a key you want to use often i suppose
I have one question how the hell did you do that farm spam around the mills? Also they should really make siege towers that you just park them on towers and units automatically deposit themselves onto the walls.
I would love to see you 1v2 against 2 hardest ai
what shortcut do you use for buidling the fields so fast?
me: i'm being overwhelmed by all this aoe 4 content
also me: omg a sotl video, *clicks immediately* 1111
Thanks again Spirit
WOuld it be viable to rush a player with Peasants since they use bows?
The player your rushing would know that you wouldn't have any eco to train proper units or build a landmark
Would be good to have some AOE4 intro with your old song :)
Question - is hardest ai any harder than in beta? I played against it and it seemed that it's really easy compared to extreme from aoe 2 de which i maybe could beat only using certain tactics, not just normal gameplay.
to be fair aoe2 ai has had years upon years of iteration. but yea seems like it's pretty east
Noob question But how can I get the camera to go to my scout in the control group? Right now it selects the scout. but does not bring the camera to it. Is this an option or a setting in the game?
Double press the control group :)
@@Karmidzhanov92 thank you!
Holy shit that voice acting on the scout tho
This is really unrelated, but why did you remove your intro song from your videos?
Does anyone know what the deer stones landmark does for the mongols? All it says is it gives "the yam network" wtf that means XD
More movement speed for units and Vills .you can expand the range with Towers
@@zanto9812 thank yee mucho grande
btw there's a "Select all army" hotkey :)
I think the big thing you were missing in castle was building rams
I wish I was good at this game. Will start watching videos and learning 🤓
how did you move your camera like that when attacking the holy roman empire?
Thank you for this video. Had to skip the ones on the campaign.
Could you play with another civilization instead of what's available in previous beta tester?
What happened to the intro music / cut scene?? 😔
Anybody know how to change your colors yet?!
you can control + shift C to select all military but i don't think you can change ethe key bind
you can, just put a secondary key. I've put ` and it works pretty well
nice shit dude!
At 18:27 it looks like you autobuilt farms around the mill... how did you do that? 🧐
My question too!
@@ReVeralife Hold shift and right click the mill
Can you please tell me how you laid those farms automatically at roughly 15 min mark? It look like you didn't even move your mouse off the mill and it placed them?!
I second this question, seen other people do it too
How do you build so many farms at once with one worker? at 15:19
shift+click on the mill builds around it
22:30 do you think sotl knows he can use more than one controllgroup?
Which pc is best to run aoe 4
the siege towers work fine, you were just being silly with them. You tried to offload your soldiers in a wall section that was already fully occupied by your archers. All you had to do was to just offload them into the next wall section.
That unsymmetrical 'Victory' banner is giving me an OCD attack... how could they miss it?
So are units now in groups?
What was the healing pool that he had on the longbowmen?
It’s their unique ability to “set up camp” and heal
I thought the title is "Spirit of the Law vs AoE 4 Hardest AI"
This was a week ago so you probably know now but selecting all military is ctrl + shift + c
I played quite a bit and I'm not bad at it.
I started mostly with bottom tier civs like Dheli and Abbasid until I being able to win 1vs1 more often than not. It helped me to avoid some of the sloppiness and traps that you often can get away with top tier civs, especially in the beginning. It helps to pick weaker civs because it forces you to really use counters and be cost effective as much as possible (unless you have another goal behind a specific engagement obviously).
Not to mention leaning to manage your eco under early pressure from players with better/more mobile civs. If you get to castle age with a desirable number of villagers and ressources, you really survived the worst and it's time to increase pressure with a balanced army. Having a small army composed of archers, crossbows and spears around is ALWAYS a good idea if you can imho.
But honestly, it feels like a downgrade from current AoE2 DE in basically every way. It's boring; but at the same time AoE2 is an insane exception in gaming, especially multiplayer and for the new content/remake. It's the definition of a game that has a foundation that stood the test of time... It's not really fair to compare it to something more generic like AoE 4.
Even the graphics. It's not the worst, but not that far from 2000 and late RTS with 3d models. In AoE2 it feels like a moving painting :D.
If you don't like micro and economy management, AoE 4 is a good choice I think.
I love to hear the women yelling!
they need to fix walling and so building next to each other make a barrier.