Knipex 13 Series Electrical Installation Pliers
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2018
- A look at the Knipex 13 series pliers used for electrical structured wiring installation.
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I'm an IBEW electrician and I work in industrial, commercial and residential settings. I absolutely cannot imagine doing my job without these pliers. They're my absolute favorite pliers and I have turned a few coworkers onto them and they feel the absolute same way. Give them a shot! They'll ream conduit, act a needle nose, cut up to number 1 AWG, cut MC like butter and strip number 12 and 14 AWG in the strippers, or strip just about any size wire in the cable cutter if you're careful.
I've been on the fence about these for some time. Thanks for the review. They look really great.
I've been an electrician for 12 plus years, and I've worked on residential (single and multi family), commercial, institutional, and currently, I'm a shift electrician in a pulp mill. These pliers allow me to carry fewer tools on my person. So, for the majority of the run of the mill calls, these pliers are all I need.
Thanks for the fantastic review.
I have it and i love it. Mine is with spring and isolated handles. I like the grip and use it every time working with wires. Great tool.
I have been using these pliers on the job for nearly 2 years now, the insulated model with the spring - and i wouldn't want to miss them anymore. It's probably the one tool i keep in my pocket the most after a knife and a small screwdriver. Locking and unlocking the spring mechanism to cut cables becomes second nature after a while. Stripping cable insulation of course works much better on round cables common in Germany. I didn't even regard these pliers as expensive, in Germany all models are between 35 and 40 EUR (45-50USD), about the same price as standalone Knipex cable shears.
Great review as usual. I would never have a need for something with this many features, but it seems to do all those things acceptably. Many thanks for sharing this.
I have a pair and love them. Very handy. I love the angle of the pliers bit giving additional grip.
I received a free pair as part of a side job payment and I love them. Well made and great to great to work with.
I love Knipex pliers and seriously considered these but in the end decided on the Klein(J206-8C)all-purpose spring loaded(you can opt for crimpers instead of spring) because they seemed to have focused on the specific features used most by electricians (stripping, cutting, looping, etc). The tip of the Klein's are cross-hatched and grab wire impressively well for twisting, looping, pulling, etc
Very good tool - solid crimping (for everyday use i have front loading crimpers 97 53 08, so sometimes when I'm connecting two wires i need side crimping), very solid cutting edge. I used them to cut about 20 pieces of 0,8mm feeler gauges - I did that without a hustle with a very clean cut and I ended up with some dulled cutting edge which lead to pliers jamming when being closed so I just used sharpening stone on flat cutting surface and after 3 minutes they work like new.
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Very detailed informative review as always. I'm an electrician, got this tool recently, and use it daily. Quite costly, quite high quality. Wish they had #10 stripper instead of crimper, and serrated tips rather than smooth. The lopper style cutter is where this tool really shines! And I agree the handles should be built bigger. I may make a video on them myself ;) you and sparky channel set the bar high lol
they have new model which might be better fit for you: 13 72 8
Oh FFS..... now there's a new one that does all the stuff I talked about....only 60 bucks!
As a rv builder, the 1392200 has become one of my favourite tools for electrical installations. And it has replaced some other pliers, which makes my tool bag lighter.
Nice review. Always watch. I'm on the fence with these I kind of like having a pair of pliers for each specific task as they'll perform that task better than a multi tool.
Thanks for the video. I always enjoy your stuff.
I have both the Knipex 13-82-8 pliers and the Klein Universal pliers without the crimpers (J206-8C with the self-opening spring removed). I bought the Knipex first but was surprised when I discovered that the wider duck bill style tip did not work well when closing wire loops around connector screws for two reasons. One, they were a bit too wide for some situations and two they are smooth and don’t grip wire particularly well - frequently slipping off. The second problem I have with the Knipex may not bother everybody. I store my pliers vertically (business end up) so I can identify them easily. I don’t wear gloves all the time and I found that the reamers on the Knipex were so sharp that I was occasionally cutting my fingers when I reached for them. I contemplated grinding off the sharp edges of the reamer, but that wouldn’t fix the other, slipping off, problem. Another advantage of the Klein pliers is that they strip more wires sizes (8-10-12-14-16 solid) and also cut and chase 6-32 and 8-32 screws. So, I settled on the Klein pliers because they worked best for what I was doing most of the time. That said, I have mostly Knipex (pliers) /Wera (Screwdrivers, wrenches & sockets) /Wiha (Screwdrivers) in my tool kit (VETO ProPac Tech-LC). BTW, the downside with the Kleins was the standard Klein complaint - too stiff out of the package and needing to be worked a while to get them opening and closing easily.
Dean Rhodenizer the slipping off struggle is real man! I use gloves, so the finish doesn't affect me. Love this tool.
Dean Rhodenizer Totally agree 🙂👍 I personally like spring assist pliers though
But the Kleins have a pretty wide nose as well. I think you would like the Neiko - they have a legitimate long nose, with rounded teeth to the tip which grip the wire well, and ends are perfectly sized for hooking.
Thanks, you are right. Although the Klein pliers feel a lot smaller, they are not. I measured them at the tip of the jaws. They are only 0.5MM smaller than the Knipex. I believe I have associated the slipping off as partly attributable to width when it was grip that mattered most. What model of Neiko pliers were you referencing? Was it the 02038A 6-in-1 Wire Service Tool? I just looked at this model on the web. It looks like a more evolved design than either the Knipex or the Klein pliers and it comes in around a third of the price - I wonder about the hardness/toughness of the steel. It has more wires sizes supported along with a bare/insulated crimper.
Yes - you've found the Neiko I was describing. I prefer it for the combo of functions - but it could be better too! Its nice that it has a shear-type cutter like the Knipex, but it would be nice if it was a little bit bigger to easily cut flat american plastic shielded wire (romex) - and frankly it could give up a little bit of the long nose length, or one of the stripper holes to do lengthen the cutter.
As far as quality, its made in china and I'm sure Knipex's quality is better. But generally I found the quality to be very high. Flaws would be the tip of the long nose can deflect if twisting on something that won't give - which is a characteristic of most long nose pliers; and I find you can have the grips start to slide off if you are pulling really hard on them, I probably should glue them.
Good review with important observations.
Great review, very informative. I’ve bought a pair from eBay for £40, hope they work well as I hate having to carry so many tools for preparing a cable.
These combo pliers are best suited for commercial MC cable installation. I reach for them sometimes when doing other tasks as they are quite handy. Only my Knipex Cobra pliers get more use. I use a dedicated ferrule crimppers not these. Great review as usual. Highly recommend this model for commercial / residential electricians
Jon Johnson 100% dude. Out of all the multi function pliers, this one has the nicest lopper for mc/bx/ac90. Wide enough Jaws was a 'must have' in choosing for me. No #10 still sucks in commercial though.
I'm an electrician and I wouldn't want to be without these. I don't use the crimpers, I wish they had a #10 instead of the #14. I use them to rough in conduit, all the way through to finish. I love the cable shear on them. Nobody I work with use any Knipex as they are all klein fan boys. However they are impressed when I can cut all the way through all the wires on the end of a fish tape in one swipe. If I lost them, I would go out and get a new pair that same day.
I've slowly started to convert some of my Klein fan boy coworkers into Knipex guys, and they haven't looked back at all. Knipex really does make a superior product.
Brandon Dierwechter would you recommend the insulated ones over the red n blue
Edward Quintana I have the plain dipped ones just because they are slimmer and cheaper.
Lol "I wouldn't be without these" and you would still need 3 tools including the knipex
I think that one tool for each task is fare better then one tool for it all, what if that tool gets broken?!
About fanboy's I do not understand them, Knipex do make fine tools but not them all and that's the same for all brands. Bye what is best not what has the right name, i.e. for what I do, most Fluke meters would be unusable including the 87 V.
I have these and I agree with your assessment 100%. I feel the smaller handle does fit the pliers but as a way to limit how large of wire one would attempt to cut the wire...this sadly negatively effects the crimper. They should have moved the crimper between the handles like Klein does to give better leverage. These are some of the best finished pliers Knipex sells. The only ones comparable are the box joint pliers/cutters that are for electronics but $50-$70 a piece.
Good video, thank you!
The installation pliers are actually not the most expensive models. I don't know how the price is in the States, but here the spring loaded installation pliers with VDE-grips cost round about 40€ (49 US$) including 19% VAT.
The most expensive model made by Knipex is the "ecrimp", battery operated crimping tool with exchangable dies. Price is 1149€ (~1400 $). That's not a tools for a tradesman, handyman or something into this direction. This is designed for industrial use if you're performing lots and lots of crimps and doing nothing other that day...
I would like to know whether the KNIPEX StriX is worth it’s value or would it be better to go for the cable shears and wire stripper as separate tools? Is the cutter on the StriX the same as the cutter on the cable shears?
Thanks for the review! How would you compare this to Knipex' lineman pliers?
I was gonna grab these but realized my klein hybrid pliers kinda have more of the features I want. Definitely love my knipex tools tho.
I'd definitely get a pair of these if I did residential rough-in wiring.
mike_HVAC they're brilliant for it buddy. I keep this is one hip and the new grey handled Klein hybrids on the other. Dream team in resi.
They don't have a way to cut the outer jacket of romex properly. These do.
www.amazon.com/Cutter-Stripper-Klein-Tools-K1412/dp/B000F9HIEC/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_2?keywords=klein+romex+strippers&qid=1552923486&s=gateway&sr=8-2-fkmrnull
Do you know if I can us the 13 92 200 to strip 12 and 14 AWG? I like the 13 82 8 but I will like to have it with the spring for auto opening
Do these work with stripping speaker cables? Thanks.
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What model are those ferrel crimpers
I really want to buy it but I’m a bit annoyed that the AWG version doesn’t come chrome plated or spring loaded. I wanted the full a spec VDE. Oh well I guess…
You should do some reviews of one of the best hand tool companies in the world C.K tools there german and have been making tools for over a 100 years they are most renowned for there electrical tools and are used by many sparkies in the Uk
Great review. Thanks for touching on all the points. I was on the fence about this but being that I'm not an electrician I think I'll pass on this one.
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If they made these but with a wider head then they'd sell even more. Biggest deter from these pliers and alot of Japanese pliers are the smaller heads which can make twisting more than one piece of stranded or solid core together really difficult
Methinks the curved knives are mostly designed for round cables, reducing the flattening of them. The outer edges would mostly be for rounding holes in plastic boxes, not metallic. So they are designed for european usage scenarios.
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I’m pretty sure the deburring is for wallboard
Why you guys don't use 4 inch pillers
I absolutely love Knipex products. What I do not get it is if this model is for electricians, why they are selling version without insulated handles? Personally, I am buying tolls with insulated handles.
They were probably designed for first fix. The cables aren't energised so no need for VDE handles.
I seriously looked at this 6 months ago when I was looking for an electricians pliers. I could forgive them the two stripping sizes - these are what you'll use for most building wiring. But the deal killer for me was the lack of threaded bolt cutting holes. They really should have expanded the area between the bolt and the handles to fit those, and just went ahead and moved the crimper back there so it would be closer to the bolt and have more leverage. This would have added maybe an inch to the total length which would have added the leverage you mentioned when comparing to the lineman handles.
If like me you want to stay away from cheaper stamped electrician pliers Klein also has a forged multi function electricians pliers which is different featured than these - more stripping sizes, and the bolt cutters, but omits the crimpers. Milwaukee sells a very similar forged electrical pliers also w/o crimpers.
I ended up getting a relatively inexpensive forged multi-function pliers from Neiko which was very nicely featured - pliers, nut grabber, 6 strippers, shear style cable cutters, bolt cutters, and crimpers (no reaming); and closer to the profile of an ordinary 8" long nose pliers. Look it up - its a good value, and good functions. Like the Knipex you can tell it takes a lot of post forging machining, and I felt the quality was very high. You ought to do a comparison between these three, and maybe throw in a stamped unit for the sake of breadth.
They were designed for the german market and here you don't need to cut hard bolts as an electrician. The only bolts you sometimes need to cut are the self tapping screws that hold outlets or switches in the box. The metal what they're made of is so soft, you can cut them with diagonal cutters. But I've switched over to a pair of Lineman's for the job of cutting these. German outlets and switches have keyholes, so you can cut all your bolts, screw them partially into the box and install the outlets afterwards. But only after the plaster guys finished their work.
That's interesting how differences in electrical device hardware leads to different tools. The north american machine screws that are typical of electrical work - 6-32 and 8-32 are also typically soft enough to cut with diagonal cutters, but this often spoils the threads, and so north american electrical pliers almost always have threaded screw shears built in that preserve the thread and allow you to use the screw without any fussing over the cut end.
Knipex has a good tool here, but if they want to promote it for north america it really should have the screw cutters. Just marking the wire strippers with the north american sizes is not enough.
Knipex is performing much better in the US than Klein over here. Klein tries to sell wire strippers with AWG only here....that's much worse! AWG wire strippers are practically unusable here in Europe. We use the cross-sectional area of the conductor in square-mm for the dimension of the wire. And it doesn't matter if it's solid, stranded or fine-stranded, 2.5mm² are always 2.5mm², so you don't need a separate scale on your wire stripper.
www.reichelt.de/Abisolierer-Kabelschneider/KLT-11054-EINS/3/index.html?ACTION=3&LA=2&ARTICLE=216258&GROUPID=573&artnr=KLT+11054-EINS&trstct=pol_2
Ok, they've got the german VDE-certification for their insulation, but the tool itself is useless.
And yes, the threads of machined screws are ruined very fast. Our screws look that way:
www.elektrikshop.de/images/product_images/popup_images/966_0.jpg
You just cut them to length, they're like wood screws but without a pointy tip.
But with their Lineman's Klein could be successful. Lineman's are unusual here, we normally use combination pliers instead. Knipex also sells their Lineman's here, but not the insulated (VDE) version. They're manufacturing this model for the US market only. Klein is the only manufacturer selling insulated Lineman's with the VDE-certification here in Germany.
Ha! Well, typical american hubris, thinking the rest of the world should follow their lead. In any case Knipex shouldn't be following that mode. They have the space on the joint for screw shears, and they should move the crimper to the back where it will have some strength, and that will give them space for one more wire stripping position - they can do 14-12-10.
A third stripper would be a good idea! In most cases the 1.5 (actually it is 0.75 up to 1.5, 0.75 is for some cords of appliances with a smaller demand) and the 2.5mm² are sufficient, but some months ago for a specific work I needed the next larger size, 4mm²...
I like the klein pliers more!
Joe Hopp can you be more specific..Klein has sooo many.
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Ballistol. You can find it on Amazon.
I'm not an electrician, but I'd want the option to strip 10 gauge. I don't like the location and width of those crimps. It doesn't look like it would work well with Sta-Kon terminals.
The crimper is for ferrules only. The usage of ferrules on fine-stranded wires is mandatory here, tinning them with a solder iron and then put them into a terminal is banned here for round about 40 years.
Got it. Are they worried that soldering makes the wires more brittle, or that people do a bad job at it?
The solder deforms under pressure, and in a screw-type terminal after some time it will become a loose connection, because the screw of the terminal remains were it was tightend but the solder still flows very slow, even if it's cold. And loose connections are getting warm, so warm they could start a fire. On the left side the way the terminal should look, on the right side you can see what happens if you solder the fine-stranded wires and put them into such a terminal:
files.elv.com/bilder/elvexpertenwissen/normal/fliessen_verzinnte_adern_01.jpg
The screws are totally molded in, so your only option is to cut the wire. If you're using soldered fine-stranded wires in spring loaded terminals the solder will deform so much, you'll have difficulties of removing it from the terminal. But in this case there'll be no contact problem through the spring loaded mechanism of the connector. The ferrules are made of electrolytic copper (for a high purity) and are tin-plated.
Here in Germany using these ferrules in screw-type terminals is mandatory, in the US they're only recommended. If you use WAGO connectors 221 or 222 it's not necessary to use anything (ferrules or solder). Just open the lever, strip the wire about 11mm, put it into the opening and close the lever.
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I can see a lot of hands getting chewed to horrors with one of those though, more than any other tool in my box.
I only use these to cut cable or larger guage wire for that purpose they work great. Needlenose is I guess ok. Striping fiture that I bought these for is useless. At least my unit is ripping not striping the wire not smooth at all. Not for USA market. I would buy cable cutters from knipex. These pliers are not being used often.
I was quite disappointed by my Knipex linesman pliers durability
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I know this is an old video but sins I have worked along electricians and helped a lot, I will say that that tool is almost useless.
1) You work with a lot of different sizes of cable, so you have to use a separate tool for the rest, also it's very hard for your wrist, to strip wire in this fashion.
2) Any marking in a lead is a no no and you will automatically redo the work.
3) the tip is to big, almost useless to get wires into fittings.
4) No great way to grab a pull string for wiring, like there is on the lines man pliers.
5) The worst part, you will use that single tool constant, instead of shere the usage among different pliers and do any of the functions break, have you suddently lost all the functions.
In the end, there are a great reason for why electricians often use special tools for each task. :-)
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