Jungi Ito's works are felt more organic and stranger in Manga form, cause you expect it, but you always wonder how bizarre it'll look that the shock value is greater.
WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! Let me get this perfectly straight: You comment something that is completely unrelated to the fact that I have two HAZARDOUSLY HOT girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest UA-camr worldwide, it is really incredible. Yet you did not mention it at all. I am VERY disappointed, dear lunae
Even thre tower o god webtoon, interesting bland of action, fantasy and a fair share of facing really high odds, in fantasy. With deaths. Its cute but, also, emotional. And recommand webtoon KUBERA, when yuta come in, gets , and leez is way more engaging when she gets more , the reveals later, forshadowed by early flashforward visions if maybe killing her now would be better for her Other characters are even more intereting, and its through multiple chracters. It probably is more psychological drama heavy, and when it hits, it hits, really hard, and emotional. but dunno drama and horror both there.Yuta alone, its good if starts slow.
Spooky Shounen is my favorite kind of Shounen. Consequences WILL happen depending on their actions and you can actually feel the weight of the characters' actions and decisions.
THIS. Spooky Shoenen doesn’t shy away from consequences, whether it’s the bad side effects of a dark power, the twisted nature of its monsters, mistakes that cause death, etc. all that makes the story more unpredictable, and therefore more intense.
Aside from the big 3 (AoT, Jujutsu, and Demon Slayer) can you recommend any others? I saw a bit of Kabaneri and I watched a good portion of Bleach a long time ago… Are there any modern ones that are as good or well animated as the big 3? I really love Jujutsu Kaisen so far, and I’m into that vibe. AoT is too depressing for casual enjoyment for me… lol Any recommendations would be appreciated.
@@nurzumkommentierendasonstf8257 I completely agree Kill la kill is one of (if not the) best of studio TRIGGER's work and I'm just saying that because it's 80% fan service
Quick classic literature notes: *The big scary thing in Dracula is that the evil followed you home after you defeated it. After they thought they won, they saw a coffin full of grave dirt was missing and it was later revealed to be en route to England via ship. Prior to that, monsters in fiction were usually polite enough to stay dead, let you flee, or at least brought your kidnapped family to their lair so your furniture wasn't wrecked in the fight * Victor Frankenstein isn't about science being bad per se, it's about a mad science grad student ignoring his advisors, textbooks, and peers to do something he obviously shouldn't have done then regretting it. Also, it didn't turn "evil" until abandoned and betrayed by its parent. Hubris, overeagerness, and refusing to take responsibility for your actions were the bad guys in the story. Scientists were trying to stop Victor because they had ethical concerns.
@@kainhighwind2, the story plays it more as a fake-out ending that just happens a third of the way into the book. They all thought the story was about to come to an end but surprise, you're just reading a super long prologue.
Yea, it's common to see Frankenstein misunderstood online. I've seen many people not understand how the Monster is both victim and monster, without any contradiction.
@@kainhighwind2 maybe, if you can back it up with the text, but trying to see every story as a metaphor for something or other is a mistake newer literature students often make. stories are a lot more complex than that, they argue many points at once and often contradictory ones. even if you can find good arguments for seeing the story as a metaphor for PTSD (it's quite possible honestly, now that i think about it) always remember that it is but one reading of the story. there's no single, definitive "this is what this story means", even if it's literally the author stating "this is what my story means"
I'm not really into it honestly. Started watching it and I wad like "Oh the setting is like Chainsaw Man" they assembled the main trio and I wad like "Oh it's like team 7", Fushigoro is a straightman partner with literally the same powet as Aki from Chainsaw Man, Gojou is similar so far both visually and in a narrative function to Kakashi, Innate Domains are cool, but are just reality marbles from Fate, etc. Literally every time anything of significance happens I can pull out an example were it was done better or with a fun twist in a another Shonen, most of which literally ran in the same magazine. I just don't see what's so great about it, especially running alongside Chainsaw Man, which is a very similar setup, but is 10x more interesting, based off what I've seen. Would love to hear what people are loving about it so far.
This has me thinking about Fairytales, Fables, and myths. They are stories that are built around conveying fear and awe to help make sense of the world, teach morals, and help us to deal with our fears. A lot of people don't realize this due to commercialization in modern culture, but fairytales are actually meant to be scary, they are supposed to convey that fear of the unknown to the audience, especially small children, and basically teach some sort of lesson about the way the world works. The short tale of the Earl King, which is indeed a fairytale, speaks of a father who knows that he needs to get his son back to the safety of their home and keeps hearing his son tell him about some entity that his son can see but the father can't see and only hears as only the wind while the son hears a malicious entity making all sorts of offers to basically kidnap him and whisk him away to a supernatural place, the son keeps telling his father of these things and turning down the offers from the entity and it all culminates with the entity actually killing the son just as the father and son reach the edge of the property they call home. Little Red Riding Hood has numerous variations, but they all involve the Grandmother, Red, Red's hooded cloak, and the wolf. My favorite variation I've encountered thus far states quite clearly that Red gets her nickname from the red hooded cloak her grandmother made for her but it's no ordinary piece of cloth and actually has a litany of protection charms woven into it due to her grandmother actually being an elderly Enchantress, but grandma doesn't really have the energy or strength to maintain the wards that keep her home safe, hence why the wolf was able to basically break in and seemingly eat her, Grandma did manage to keep herself safe with what little magic she could still do and when the wolf tried to eat Red his tongue got burned when it touched the edge of her cloak. The wolf was stunned that Red was able to take advantage of the confusion to basically kick the wolf in the gut to force him to cough up granny then got chased deep into the woods by a local huntsman's dogs. In quite a few fairytales you find magic and/or references to magic. Red Riding Hood's Cloak, the Rampion that Rapunzel's mother ate, the powerful breath of the Big Bad Wolf in the Three Little Pigs, the beans used by Jack, and treasures held by the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk, and so on.
They’re all interesting fairytale and folktale are fascinating when you believe they’re people not vengeful ghostlike and ghoul just a person doing his/her job look at them like you would a normal person
There is a TV show on Netflix US called "Myths and Monsters" and each episode, 8 in total, explore the different themes that ancient myths addressed and the meaning behind telling such stories. It's fascinating stuff, but what still amazed me the most was how folktales changed a lot depending on the era they were told. Robin Wood is possibly one of many stories that changed the most in history, from a thief who sought equality among all classes to the pristine image of the Englishman in Victoria's England, ready to defend the cause of the United Kingdom as it began to lose its power and its colonies. Red Riding Hood as a whole speaks of the human fear of the unknown. Red Riding Hood is a German folktale, one that was around way before the Grimm Brothers began to assemble all folktales in their country into books for the nobility to enjoy. One particular thing about European folktales is that Europe as a whole, to this day, has huge expanses of woods, and in the 1600s the biggest human communities were still little specks of civilisation amongst vast, unending woodland. And because of that, Europeans (and ancient Greeks particularly, as told in the terrible tale of Actaeon and the Goddess Artemis) regarded the Wild with caution and suspicion. By spreading the tale of Red Riding Hood, a girl who got lost in the woods was lured in by a stranger (the Wolf), then killed and devoured alongside her grandmother, was a way to tell children and adults alike to never venture far into the wild. The wild is dark, lawless, unforgiving, dangerous, and full of unknown dangers, and people back then had little means to help those who encountered a grim fate in their depths. But like you said, fairytales change depending on what era they are told and it is all fascinating. Horror is ever-present in human society, it is what preserved our species to reach the state we are right now, and whenever our society starts to go through an upheaval period is when horror truly reaches its strongest point: it shows exactly what the current era is anxious and afraid of. We are about to see a lot of terrific works of art within this decade, with climate change reaching its point of no return and political distress in countless countries. We are in for a treat.
@@okapibibi i said urban legends are the modern fairytales. It used to have stories about psychos and ghost as a reminder to be aware of many malicious people lurking around our everyday life. But these days it's quite become irrelevant as it seems that our generation is aware that the next gen wouldnt buy that kinda thing anymore (thanks to internet). So imo the most relevant modern fairy tales is black mirror series. It is a series of fairy tales/myth to remain us of things that could happen with the advancement of technology.
Got published in a shounen manga magazine, and now it's making them too much money for them to want to move it into a publication aimed at more mature audiences.
The way Attack on Titan has balanced the crushing despair of it's world with the gradual establishment of hope is the main thing that makes it a masterpiece to me. Defo worth all the hype it got when it first came out in 2013 and one of my favorite anime.
@@raawesome3851 That's what I would consider typical, yeah. Repetitive/simplistic in plot and characters (at least at the start) filled with tropes, etc. That being said, I still liked Fairy Tail and do like Black Clover. I've never gotten into One Piece, but I've heard the world is quite expansive. There's nothing wrong with things being typical, though. It's just that AOT never was. The set up has always been there for what it's no become.
Wtf the story is nowhere near to be good like demon slayer too. Only because of the animations they are hyped af. Also one punch man season 2 was not hyped because of the animation but the story was much more interesting with garo then season 1 with saitama in focus. It's sad that an animation matters so much
@@Greed97 good animation is important. If the anime adaption doesn’t use the benefits of animation to elevate it from its source material than I would much rather read the manga.
@@Greed97 Demon Slayer was enjoyable, but you're capping if you're saying the story is no where as good as JJK. JJK is interesting af and only gets more intense. And if we're talking animation, demon slayer would never be as popular as it is now if it wasn't for ufotable.
"like to watch children murder, and be murdered by things..." _well... when you put it that way..._ *looks at favorites playlist* TPN AOT Bleach Demon slayer Re:zero Assasination Classroom Death note Tokyo Ghoul MIA *Crap.*
@@karoliinakettu1353 as long as google doesn’t mix it up with “Total Parenteral Nutrition” (which is kinda ironic in itself), then the acronym works fine.
Puns aside, if DBZ leaned a bit heavier into it, Majin Boo is scary as fuck. Eldritch entity, intelligence of a child, prone to fits of angers, entitled, will just turn you into candy and eat you if he feels like it. Even the mood whiplash between how silly he looks and how scary he is helps. DBZ never fully went into straight up horror but it did have all the pieces in play. The Boo arc seen from the perspective of a normal human is pretty much the same as Devilman or Evangelion, a horrible nightmare where everything keeps only going more and more to shit.
Just a recommendation to my fellow people of the comment section, while Dorohedoro is not Shounen it is great, and nearly not at all talked about on UA-cam. It’s also really weird in a good way.
You hit all the key points for me: power systems based on strategic options _shine_ when your combatants can't thoughtlessly facetank every punchline. These power systems become legit philosophical thought experiments, like, "What if I could _walk through causality?"_ and sometimes we can imagine fighting back against the things that scare us most, protecting each other. With series like Gantz though, the big drawback for battle horror is _sheer empathy drain._ I'm already dealing with a lot of legit, 'my therapist demands to know why I didn't get help a decade sooner' trauma, and seeing terrible things happening to people, _knowing that a real person somewhere has experienced this kind of agony and it's on the table for my loved ones too,_ just...gets exhausting. I can't bring myself to watch Devilman because, 'The hero watches helplessly as he fails to protect EVERYONE, and along the way humans do THE WORST SHIT POSSIBLE TO EACH OTHER' just hits too close to home. Which sucks because I respect it so much as a piece of fiction _and anime history that set the baseline for so many tropes that are employed thoughtlessly today._ I've always said of vanilla horror: I prefer stories that root for the survivors. There's something about seeing somebody kind and gentle emerge from bloody trauma that just _gets to me._
I'm caught up on the manag, so I have a good idea of how the season will play out. If they keep up this killer art and animation, the story will take them way above the rest. Also it doesn't sexualize any of its under age female charaters, which is a very low bar no one seems capable of overcoming in shonen....
@@austen1906 yeah I too have been ready g the manga since the start of last year and its really good. Spoilers: The series will probably end with the tournament arc and next season would start off with the main characters on a trip about to fight hamami (if I remember correctly). I think s2 will end with shibuya arc aswell
There's definitely an appeal to stories that have horror as a main theme, or even with just horror elements. Two of my favourite stories, Skulduggery Pleasant and Wildbow's Worm are like this. They follow two main story themes, a young girl discovers there's a hidden world of magic, and a teenager steps into a world of superpowers that is more complex than she could imagine. But both of these inject horror elements, be it fucked up monsters, eldritch beings beyond comprehension, or the simple horror of irreversible body horror. These elements serve to heighten the tension of both series and make them more engaging, you worry more about the characters, which is a benefit of including horror elements into your story.
@@joyc.e.7511 Alright, but neither of them are like Coraline, except for the weird fact that all three have teenagers with black hair as protagonists.. Both worm and Skulduggery Pleasant are action series, and the main characters use violence to solve their problems, though in their defence most of their problems can only be solved with violence, and to my knowledge, Coraline isn't like that. If you do want to read them, Skulduggery Pleasant is closer to Coraline's age rating than Worm's. And Worm is the darkest of three in how it handle's its horror. I don't usually advocate spoilers, but its probably a good idea to look at the "Does the dog die" website before reading worm, as it has a lot of content warnings and stuff that could upset people who aren't expecting it. The story's still good but people shouldn't go into it thinking its a light hearted superhero story.
@@adamhayche8412 Ok, thanks for the heads-up! I actually like the idea of them being more violent (big fan of shounen/action in general). I probably won't need to check the warnings, as that sort of thing doesn't bother me. Going in blind makes it better, imo. I know Coraline isn't violent per se, but it is very disturbing. I recommend giving it a watch and/or read. The book is darker than the movie, but the movie is still stunning with it's use of stop-clay animation and horror imagery. And while I'm typing this, I just remembered what Skulduggery Pleasant was! It's about a girl and a talking skeleton that solve crimes together, right?
"cursed by the lingering animosity of a conflict centries older than anyone alive remembers and condemned to die by old men more concerned with maintaining their power than fixing shit" - pretty much an accurate description of what it means to be a minority in many countries
it's funny cause I for the most part don't like horror in most things but the idea of combining it with shonen and thus creating a group of characters who can actually fight back against the horror is something that I have loved since watching Yuyu Hakisho back in the day or watching Soul Eater when I got older heck even HunterxHunter gave me those vibes if this is where anime is headed then I am all for it
Jujutsu Kaisen is doing so well right now to the point that it's hard to get a copy of volume one for a price under 10 euro in Ireland For reference at least from what I remember it was at least possible to get a copy of demon slayer volume one for that price last year
I think the biggest reason why these hybrid type shows work so well, is because we never truly know, when side characters are safe, since we've seen them die before. It makes for some truly thrilling situations, which not many other types of shows can accomplish.
@@DamageMaximo I still need to watch demon slayer, currently rewatching mha for the new season though, but I will probably watch demon slayer after that
Even LOTR falls into this category. 4 random nobodies from the opposite end of the world get swept up in a battle against an all consuming ancient force.
So let's list the horror shonen shows discussed here: Jujutsu Kaisen Demon Slayer Attack on Titan Made In Abyss Parasyte Promised Neverland Full Metal Alchemist Jojo's Bizarre Adventures Chainsaw Man Evangelion Re:Zero Tokyo Ghoul Dorohedoro Shiki Devilman Bleach Did I miss any? Did I include some shows that weren't part of the main subject matter? I tried to list them based loosely on the frequency of their prominence in the discussion. I most likely placed FMA too high and Jojo too low, but that's due to the bias inherent in my personal preferences.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd, I'm just listing shows that they talked about in the video. I've honestly never watched Bleach. It's good to know that it doesn't belong on the list. I specifically asked people to tell me if something didn't belong. So thanks!
My favorite Horror Shonen of all time is D. Gray-Man. But Soul Eater is worth a mention. It may of had alot of comedy. But the spooky horror vibes were definitely there!!!
I was probably like 8 watching pain tell naruto about the endless cycle of vengeance developing naruto's philosophy of total conflict resolution through what the sage of the six paths would call ninshu and what we would call talk no jutsu. The entire arc was built upon the antithesis of the shinobi world the akatsuki and specifically their strongest (non itachi don't fight me) members, the akatsuki were initially designed to be a group of monsters which totally shows and the six paths of pain were the creepiest of the bunch literal walking corpes, jiraiya's killers with chucky orange hair piercing riddled flesh and those deranged rinnegan eyes. Their choir theme with their dark robes triggered occultic fear in me and their invasion was brutal, stabbings with their weapons the receiver rods and the rinnegans mechnical weapons, a literal soul consuming demon, it was complete decimation to the entire village when pain blasted the whole thing down in one go. When naruto showed up thugh after a struggle he was crushed by the weight of nagato's pain and despair only to see a childhood friend flung like a ragdoll and stabbed by pain right before his wide opened eyes leading to the most cathartic burst of range where we see naruto burst free delving deeper and deeper into the 9tails power than we've ever seen before. I know people loathe the animation of that fight but i still love it, the once gritty unending weight and despair of pain's horror was ripped to shreds by the sheer power and unforgiving ferocity the 9 tails pushing pain to his limits as the 2 move at otherworldly speeds in simplified animation reality itself becomes surreal bending around their bodies like clay pottery, to finally be liberated from the oppression of pain it was amazing but at the price of almost losing the main characters life as naruto is on the 8th tail his last chance having become a hideous monstrosity of flesh, i like to see the planetary devastation pain trapped 8 tailed naruto in as an egg for a now eveb more resolved naruto wherein naruto meets the family connection he lacked and a previous hokage narratively exactly what made naruto the guy he was and with the encouragement from his father he hatches from the egg and finishes pain finding the real body and returning the lives of the villagers. A philosophical horror thar etched itself into my young child self watching naruto be consumed in horror and be reborn the hero of his land the greatest step towards hokage and the biggest step towards his final goal he ever made before the grear war. I feel like the nature of horror, built on the organic forces that brough us creatures to this point is a crazy useful tool for emotional catharsis and narrative expression and your perspective on the parallel between horror in shounen and the state of the world really does well to sells its value, growing up with the unlimited information of the internet you get exposed to tons of information that can get so dark so quick that existential dread is the norm and such horrors reflected in media open up the opportunity to show the overcoming of such high narratively high stakes and the appeal of transcending despair.
JJK Spoilers the current arc in the manga has shown me that this story isn’t afraid to kill its important characters and i find that to be a really amazing part of the manga. they even killed the mc himself and made him go through a full existential crisis to show him that this was no easy road. the deaths of nanami and the supposed death of nobara, sealing of gojo just shows the absolute power of the opposite side and it gives yuji a reality check. even megumi’s dad, who had no cursed power was on gojos level before he trained. i love jjk
JJK does something that most shounen are terrified of: CHARACTER STAKES. Stories like One Piece will shy away from character stakes and focus on story stakes and scale, which is still a great way to create tension, but having a story that delivers on character stakes well is a surefire way to have every conflict keeping me super super invested.
I disagree. I think itll fall flat. I cant imagine how they would recreate the art from the manag. The rough sketchy, sometimes hyper detailed, sometimes minimal look is a large part of why its so good. and i just cant see it translated into anime without it looking wrong
@@zacharypreval3186 true. not even attack on titan is that level of graphic. But the western audience is thirsty for ultra violent, ultra gory content. Maybe Netflix will pick it up and make it entirely CGI...
The talk of fear is a good explanation of why I don't really go for horror and instead prefer stuff such like one of my favourite which deals with issues of how businesses can be forces for good or evil and how just because a job isn't one of glory it doesn't mean that it isn't important and can't be enjoyable with a supportive set of coworkers and bosses. It's called : Though young people recoil from entering the black magic industry, I found its treatment of employees quite good when I entered it, and the president and familiar are cute too so everything is awesome! Also it's quite lewd and very funny.
k:"you punched trough a wall" y:"so" k:"normal people aren't supposed to do that" y:"but i wasn't even reinforced concrete" k:"normal people can't punch through any concrete"
Obviously you should have seen this coming as the building is abandoned therefore the structure must be weak. These villans can't even prepare for anything before attacking.
@@siragon756 All I am saying is that he should have expected the wall to be broken since it was obviously not reinforced or else the building wouldn't be a ruin.
Man, what a great analysis! Just adding another example to the "What it all means section", connecting horror media with real-life crisis: The US in the 30's, with the great depression saw the rise of so many cult horror movies, like Frankenstein, Wolf Man, Dracula, etc due to very similar logic shown here!
sigh- why does everyone seem to forget that D.Gray-Man exists, 116 episodes of intricately winding mystery and shonen battles. It's an ongoing series too
'Psychological' is bringing the real pain with his best friend 'Tragedy', and this time, they *remembered* to invite 'Horror' to play with them when they go bully 'Shounen'.
i was questioning myself since a long time, why i'm suddenly so drawn to horror shonen anime and what you said at the end, actually made me tear up. it made me realize some things and i'm grateful that you pointed that out c: helped me to understad myself a bit better again
One thing that really sticks with me for Jujutsu Kaisen is Sukuna and how he’s treated in the plot vs how Kyuubi is used in Naruto. Kyuubi is a glorified plot device that exists to give the main character power ups and has very little characterization and influence in the plot. It gets a little better as the show progresses, but it’s glacial and the level of improvement is arguable. From the jump Sukuna establishes himself as a CHARACTER. He has a much more vibrant and powerful personality from the start, and it only grows more defined each time he appears. He’s NOT a battery for Yuji to power up with, he’s an incredibly dangerous and powerful creature that has his own plots and manipulations going. He’s FAR more active and his motivations and character are central to any plot involving him.
I believe Claymore did this spooky killgore of named characters and known characters pretty well, and quickly, with high stakes, and powerfull enemies.
It took me a good while to listen to you and start watching Deca-Dense, and it's amazing. So I have no idea why it took me this long to listen to you and watch Jujutsu Kaisen as well. I'm going to start watching episode one right now. Looking forward to it! EDIT: I just finished the first seven episodes. It's pretty damn great so far!
18:40 Very poignant statement, as always, and stacking up facts I find to be self-evident. However, I still found myself getting a little glassy-eyed at the line "...and maybe even use some of the things we fear to our own advantage." It's not a new perspective, but your prose truly emphasizes exactly what you're trying to say, *how* you're trying to say it, and precisely *WHEN* it's impact would be felt the greatest. Great stuff as always. Keep up the wonderful work in our ever wacky world. You're doing god's work.
It's the power of hope and gaining the ability to fight against the despair of the system that brings people back time and time again. There's always an audience that will cheer for an underdog, and when the stakes are at an all-time high, just makes the win that much more satisfying. I honestly believe the Frieza saga was the best arc of Dragonball, because it holds pretty much the horror of an unstoppable threat with the real chance that he could kill you all at any point, trying to outwit him enough to take him out with a last ditch effort, and finally getting the power up to allow you to finish off the bastard for good (or so we thought).
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@Dnb Batilla I do feel like it’s for a certain amount of people but it does start to make sense in starts connecting the story,Nana character gets built more as the story goes on the new episode It actually really good but it’s not for everyone and if you don’t care about it you probably shouldn’t watch it.
Fire Force kinda fits this too. Religious imagery and symbolism, enemies ranging from hellish to outright eldritch, and it's done by the author of Soul Eater.
The video pretty accurately hits the nail into the head, horror in action/battle anime works better as it keeps you guessing with what will happen and who will survive. You can try and apply logic to situation but horror is best when it throws logic out the window and keeps it's scares secret, which also allows talented creators such a great canvas for some absolute greatness. And the anime scene right now is hitting a rich bloody vain of great stuff these last few years!
unpopular opinion: I think the Titans in Attack on Titan look so incredibly derpy and stupid that I just can't take them seriously. No amount of death, chaos, or carnage they cause instills me with any more fear than that of a toddler having a tantrum. The Promised Neverland however depicts a far more chilling depiction of a man-eating creature and I believe the parts that make them distinctly not human (along with the parts that make them human) make them a far more interesting and unique depiction of a "monster"
@@mustofaakmal7493 Honestly couldn't even finish the first season. The only aspect of the show I found visually stunning was the character's eyes, however, my severe disdain of the titans due to their "perceived" lack of threat (at least to me) made Eren's disdain for the titans laughable, childish, and incredibly annoying. I'm not trying to discredit the show itself, I just can't get into the series because of it. Just because I'm not finding enjoyment from it doesn't discredit yours, truthfully I'm thankful for how the show introduced people to anime but I have a different taste and AOT did not mesh well with me. (and since you appreciate the show, to describe how I view the titans is similar in a way to watching Jaws for the first time and getting taken out of the scene with how unlifelike the shark is, really for anything more modern just picture any scene of janky CGI in a Live action story and that's the same vibe I get from the titans. no matter how great of a narrative threat they are, I am pulled out of the action)
@@kickasterisk6155 Its alright, people have different taste. Maybe its just not your cup of tea. Its get better after season 1 tho, if you maybe want to revisit
Both attempts at adapting it to an anime fall pretty flat but D. Gray Man absolutely deserves some kudos here too. Whimsical anachronism and mad science slowly unraveling into body horror, war crimes, and explorations of the abusive (especially against kids and especially medical) committed by “good guys” in the name of “doing good”
I'm glad Jujutsu Kaisen really hit the Demon Slayer hype levels so far. It has really grasped me like that Demon Slayer did when I kept waiting for more and more episodes
Just binged the absolute fuck outta the jjk manga, its incredible and I can't wait to see what happens next. Its got me hyped for chainsaw man and I'm sure ill love it
Manwha/webtoon to be specific Has been a really interesting read but I’m scared that the mysteries that have been built up so much will disappoint lol because there’s never any answers just more questions lol
For horror shonen/battle anime/manga, I've always really loved Soul Eater. It just has a fun halloween aesthetic and some pretty cool battles, plus an underlying message about fear and the human condition that were fun to dissect. There are some problems with it and it's not for everyone, but I'd suggest giving it a try! :3
It's interesting to think about why pure horror anime tends to fall flat(unless those written by ryukishi07) but horror fusion's are super popular.
Jungi Ito's works are felt more organic and stranger in Manga form, cause you expect it, but you always wonder how bizarre it'll look that the shock value is greater.
WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! Let me get this perfectly straight: You comment something that is completely unrelated to the fact that I have two HAZARDOUSLY HOT girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest UA-camr worldwide, it is really incredible. Yet you did not mention it at all. I am VERY disappointed, dear lunae
@@AxxLAfriku the fuk?
Horror anime tend to think lots of blood = scary
Even thre tower o god webtoon, interesting bland of action, fantasy and a fair share of facing really high odds, in fantasy. With deaths. Its cute but, also, emotional.
And recommand webtoon KUBERA, when yuta come in, gets , and leez is way more engaging when she gets more , the reveals later, forshadowed by early flashforward visions if maybe killing her now would be better for her
Other characters are even more intereting, and its through multiple chracters. It probably is more psychological drama heavy, and when it hits, it hits, really hard, and emotional. but dunno drama and horror both there.Yuta alone, its good if starts slow.
Spooky Shounen is my favorite kind of Shounen.
Consequences WILL happen depending on their actions and
you can actually feel the weight of the characters' actions and decisions.
THIS. Spooky Shoenen doesn’t shy away from consequences, whether it’s the bad side effects of a dark power, the twisted nature of its monsters, mistakes that cause death, etc. all that makes the story more unpredictable, and therefore more intense.
Aside from the big 3 (AoT, Jujutsu, and Demon Slayer) can you recommend any others?
I saw a bit of Kabaneri and I watched a good portion of Bleach a long time ago…
Are there any modern ones that are as good or well animated as the big 3? I really love Jujutsu Kaisen so far, and I’m into that vibe. AoT is too depressing for casual enjoyment for me… lol
Any recommendations would be appreciated.
@@DanteYewToob Chainsaw Man 😤 and Hell’s Paradise was a pretty great read
@@flipdeedoo Good Speech at the End MB did here.
Sure reminds me f the 'Media Monopols are Bad for Us'-Videos of "Some More News".
"Whatever the hell is happening in chainsaw man right now"
HE JUST WANTS TO EAT STEAK FOR BREAKFAST MAN
And watch bad movies!
@@mothersbasement and Have 5...No 10 Girlfriends!
@@mothersbasement Can you make a Video on Kill La Kill? Or do you at least plan to at some time in the future?
I still don’t understand what’s going on in chainsaw man
@@nurzumkommentierendasonstf8257 I completely agree
Kill la kill is one of (if not the) best of studio TRIGGER's work and I'm just saying that because it's 80% fan service
'these stories aren't afraid to hurt their heroes by taking their supporters and loved ones out of the picture'
haha
haha
*cries in chainsaw man*
name a more tragic combination than Denji and doors
@@android19willpwn you say denji and doors and i raise you simply denji and makima
Good lord, I kinda saw it coming but *DAMN* . A certain someone in that series needs to go.
Head first through a skyscraper's window.
@@pabloosset2533 Nah I’d say more like back to hell but I think they deserve worse then that
@@pabloosset2533 Sadly we all know they’d get right back up
Quick classic literature notes:
*The big scary thing in Dracula is that the evil followed you home after you defeated it. After they thought they won, they saw a coffin full of grave dirt was missing and it was later revealed to be en route to England via ship. Prior to that, monsters in fiction were usually polite enough to stay dead, let you flee, or at least brought your kidnapped family to their lair so your furniture wasn't wrecked in the fight
* Victor Frankenstein isn't about science being bad per se, it's about a mad science grad student ignoring his advisors, textbooks, and peers to do something he obviously shouldn't have done then regretting it. Also, it didn't turn "evil" until abandoned and betrayed by its parent. Hubris, overeagerness, and refusing to take responsibility for your actions were the bad guys in the story. Scientists were trying to stop Victor because they had ethical concerns.
Going off your analysis, would it be fair to say Dracula could be an analogy for PTSD or prejudice?
@@kainhighwind2, the story plays it more as a fake-out ending that just happens a third of the way into the book. They all thought the story was about to come to an end but surprise, you're just reading a super long prologue.
Yea, it's common to see Frankenstein misunderstood online. I've seen many people not understand how the Monster is both victim and monster, without any contradiction.
@@kainhighwind2 maybe, if you can back it up with the text, but trying to see every story as a metaphor for something or other is a mistake newer literature students often make. stories are a lot more complex than that, they argue many points at once and often contradictory ones. even if you can find good arguments for seeing the story as a metaphor for PTSD (it's quite possible honestly, now that i think about it) always remember that it is but one reading of the story. there's no single, definitive "this is what this story means", even if it's literally the author stating "this is what my story means"
@@jambondepays1969 I haven't read the book. I just went off OP's comment
Jujutsu Kaisen has been a very enjoyable watch thus far.
Yeah and Gojo is really cool
It gets better my friend 👍
I need to read the manga!!!
@@freyao.4836 It's a good read and their is only 6 volumes out now
I'm not really into it honestly. Started watching it and I wad like "Oh the setting is like Chainsaw Man" they assembled the main trio and I wad like "Oh it's like team 7", Fushigoro is a straightman partner with literally the same powet as Aki from Chainsaw Man, Gojou is similar so far both visually and in a narrative function to Kakashi, Innate Domains are cool, but are just reality marbles from Fate, etc. Literally every time anything of significance happens I can pull out an example were it was done better or with a fun twist in a another Shonen, most of which literally ran in the same magazine. I just don't see what's so great about it, especially running alongside Chainsaw Man, which is a very similar setup, but is 10x more interesting, based off what I've seen. Would love to hear what people are loving about it so far.
When I say that Jujutsu Kaisen has potential in being the next big thing, I'm not kidding. The series is just phenomenal.
finally found you. and you're right!
Exactly.
The current arc looks like it’s concluding and when it does it could enter history books
Imagine killing of your MAIN CHARACTER in the FOURTH EPISODE
Best ED too
I knew it was only a matter of time before this video would drag up the darkest memory of FMA.
Oh boy. The sad doggo.
Nope. You don’t go there. You don’t go there ever. EVER. You don’t bring up the sad doggo. Not even after one hundred years. You never go there.
That episode scarred me
That one was harsh, but the sudden should-have-been-expected appearance of Maes Hughes' coffin was what really punched me in the gut!
What I have learned from this video is that there are diferent types of shonen mangas/show.
Typical Shonen.
Dark-cynic Shonen.
And Chainsaw Man.
Chainsaw man hit diff
And Attack on Titan.
Chainsaw man is something else
chainsaw man is fucking brutal
Definitely less depressing than Fire Punch.
Imagine being alive next to the shibuya subway station.
This post was made by Sukuna Gang
well at least your suffering wouldn't last too long...
"And Whatever is Going on in Chainsaw Man"
I felt that.
Let Denji have his harem man
Chainsaw man went from hey look at this guy made of chainsaws riding a demon shark to everyone is dead and existential crisis to fast for me
God, everything after the Gun Demon shows up is just crazy, I love it.
After aki's death it's pure chaos and i don't know why i am reading it anymore
I would be surprised if I hadn't known that Fire Punch is written by the same author
@@akaliislifeakaliislove5968 Fire Punch warned me but it didn't prepare me.
@@tumau3908 I will never be over that..... but yet here I am still reading that chaos every week
I see small Nezuko so I click
Nyeheheheheh it worked
Inosuke is still best waifu from Demon Slayer tho. Not saying Nezuko isn’t good: she’s adorable af. But Inosuke is just beautiful.
*smol
I loved when she turned small and starting running she was so cute
@@mothersbasement for some reason I read that laugh in Futaba Sakura from P5’s voice
This has me thinking about Fairytales, Fables, and myths. They are stories that are built around conveying fear and awe to help make sense of the world, teach morals, and help us to deal with our fears. A lot of people don't realize this due to commercialization in modern culture, but fairytales are actually meant to be scary, they are supposed to convey that fear of the unknown to the audience, especially small children, and basically teach some sort of lesson about the way the world works. The short tale of the Earl King, which is indeed a fairytale, speaks of a father who knows that he needs to get his son back to the safety of their home and keeps hearing his son tell him about some entity that his son can see but the father can't see and only hears as only the wind while the son hears a malicious entity making all sorts of offers to basically kidnap him and whisk him away to a supernatural place, the son keeps telling his father of these things and turning down the offers from the entity and it all culminates with the entity actually killing the son just as the father and son reach the edge of the property they call home.
Little Red Riding Hood has numerous variations, but they all involve the Grandmother, Red, Red's hooded cloak, and the wolf. My favorite variation I've encountered thus far states quite clearly that Red gets her nickname from the red hooded cloak her grandmother made for her but it's no ordinary piece of cloth and actually has a litany of protection charms woven into it due to her grandmother actually being an elderly Enchantress, but grandma doesn't really have the energy or strength to maintain the wards that keep her home safe, hence why the wolf was able to basically break in and seemingly eat her, Grandma did manage to keep herself safe with what little magic she could still do and when the wolf tried to eat Red his tongue got burned when it touched the edge of her cloak. The wolf was stunned that Red was able to take advantage of the confusion to basically kick the wolf in the gut to force him to cough up granny then got chased deep into the woods by a local huntsman's dogs.
In quite a few fairytales you find magic and/or references to magic. Red Riding Hood's Cloak, the Rampion that Rapunzel's mother ate, the powerful breath of the Big Bad Wolf in the Three Little Pigs, the beans used by Jack, and treasures held by the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk, and so on.
This is very interesting
They’re all interesting fairytale and folktale are fascinating when you believe they’re people not vengeful ghostlike and ghoul just a person doing his/her job look at them like you would a normal person
And they make for great comedic moment
There is a TV show on Netflix US called "Myths and Monsters" and each episode, 8 in total, explore the different themes that ancient myths addressed and the meaning behind telling such stories. It's fascinating stuff, but what still amazed me the most was how folktales changed a lot depending on the era they were told. Robin Wood is possibly one of many stories that changed the most in history, from a thief who sought equality among all classes to the pristine image of the Englishman in Victoria's England, ready to defend the cause of the United Kingdom as it began to lose its power and its colonies.
Red Riding Hood as a whole speaks of the human fear of the unknown. Red Riding Hood is a German folktale, one that was around way before the Grimm Brothers began to assemble all folktales in their country into books for the nobility to enjoy. One particular thing about European folktales is that Europe as a whole, to this day, has huge expanses of woods, and in the 1600s the biggest human communities were still little specks of civilisation amongst vast, unending woodland. And because of that, Europeans (and ancient Greeks particularly, as told in the terrible tale of Actaeon and the Goddess Artemis) regarded the Wild with caution and suspicion. By spreading the tale of Red Riding Hood, a girl who got lost in the woods was lured in by a stranger (the Wolf), then killed and devoured alongside her grandmother, was a way to tell children and adults alike to never venture far into the wild. The wild is dark, lawless, unforgiving, dangerous, and full of unknown dangers, and people back then had little means to help those who encountered a grim fate in their depths. But like you said, fairytales change depending on what era they are told and it is all fascinating. Horror is ever-present in human society, it is what preserved our species to reach the state we are right now, and whenever our society starts to go through an upheaval period is when horror truly reaches its strongest point: it shows exactly what the current era is anxious and afraid of. We are about to see a lot of terrific works of art within this decade, with climate change reaching its point of no return and political distress in countless countries. We are in for a treat.
@@okapibibi i said urban legends are the modern fairytales. It used to have stories about psychos and ghost as a reminder to be aware of many malicious people lurking around our everyday life. But these days it's quite become irrelevant as it seems that our generation is aware that the next gen wouldnt buy that kinda thing anymore (thanks to internet). So imo the most relevant modern fairy tales is black mirror series. It is a series of fairy tales/myth to remain us of things that could happen with the advancement of technology.
Till this day, I still don't know why Attack on Titan is shonen series.
Got published in a shounen manga magazine, and now it's making them too much money for them to want to move it into a publication aimed at more mature audiences.
Right?!!😂😂😂
Because shonen/seinen aren't genres?
@@theLikou1 bro, I know that
It is a demographic type.
It's a formula
If I had one wish it would be for a Bloodborne anime that is exactly as dark, chaotic, and unexplained as the game.
Omg i would scream. Bloodborne is my favourite souls game.
@@yusufahmed715 I would definitely watch it. Although it's almost impossible.
The Witcher just got an Anime made by the team who made the Castlevania series.
Should be enough to satisfy you appetite a bit?
@@ultimatedesbear4271 devil may cry anime : am I a joke to you
The way Attack on Titan has balanced the crushing despair of it's world with the gradual establishment of hope is the main thing that makes it a masterpiece to me. Defo worth all the hype it got when it first came out in 2013 and one of my favorite anime.
Right? Attack on Titan was always incredible to me, I couldn't understand how people just dismissed it as a typical shounen. It's always been amazing
@@joyc.e.7511 what is a typical shonen, though? Fairy Tail? Black Clover? One piece?
@@raawesome3851 That's what I would consider typical, yeah. Repetitive/simplistic in plot and characters (at least at the start) filled with tropes, etc. That being said, I still liked Fairy Tail and do like Black Clover. I've never gotten into One Piece, but I've heard the world is quite expansive. There's nothing wrong with things being typical, though. It's just that AOT never was. The set up has always been there for what it's no become.
“Battle horror” anime needs to be an official genre
I would definitely like to see more Surreal Horror.
Madoka and even The Dream Sequences in Dorohedoro.
Ever hear of this weird guy named Satoshi Kon?
Madoka messed me up in the third episode
@@LunSky-r2n Berserk mess me up in the last episode too, I was NOT prepared
@@Ktywf that man is a legend
Greg Sonnier exactly i was just looking for a stereotypical magical girl anime but noo
Jujutsu Kaisen absolutely slaps & deserves every ounce of its success
Wtf the story is nowhere near to be good like demon slayer too. Only because of the animations they are hyped af.
Also one punch man season 2 was not hyped because of the animation but the story was much more interesting with garo then season 1 with saitama in focus. It's sad that an animation matters so much
@@Greed97 Don't care, didn't ask
@@theuncannydag no one ask you too dude. It's only an opinion like yours
@@Greed97 good animation is important. If the anime adaption doesn’t use the benefits of animation to elevate it from its source material than I would much rather read the manga.
@@Greed97 Demon Slayer was enjoyable, but you're capping if you're saying the story is no where as good as JJK. JJK is interesting af and only gets more intense. And if we're talking animation, demon slayer would never be as popular as it is now if it wasn't for ufotable.
"like to watch children murder, and be murdered by things..."
_well... when you put it that way..._
*looks at favorites playlist*
TPN
AOT
Bleach
Demon slayer
Re:zero
Assasination Classroom
Death note
Tokyo Ghoul
MIA
*Crap.*
I've never seen the promised neverland being shortened to 'TPN' and was very confused for a moment
Looks like we share the same playlist but I don't have Bleach and Tokyo ghoul : /
Tokyo Ghoul isn't a Shounen
@@satoshi1435 nope, that doesn’t mean I don’t like it... at least only the first season, that is.
Neither is death note btw.
@@karoliinakettu1353 as long as google doesn’t mix it up with “Total Parenteral Nutrition” (which is kinda ironic in itself), then the acronym works fine.
The scariest thing in all of shounen,
Majin BOO
GAH! Don't do that to me!
Love triangles, ait thats romance strories.
Puns aside, if DBZ leaned a bit heavier into it, Majin Boo is scary as fuck. Eldritch entity, intelligence of a child, prone to fits of angers, entitled, will just turn you into candy and eat you if he feels like it. Even the mood whiplash between how silly he looks and how scary he is helps. DBZ never fully went into straight up horror but it did have all the pieces in play. The Boo arc seen from the perspective of a normal human is pretty much the same as Devilman or Evangelion, a horrible nightmare where everything keeps only going more and more to shit.
@@HaganeNoGijutsushi, they certainly leaned into it with the Cell Saga. Cell's pretty freaky.
Cinderella references sure are scary!
Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo.
Just a recommendation to my fellow people of the comment section, while Dorohedoro is not Shounen it is great, and nearly not at all talked about on UA-cam. It’s also really weird in a good way.
Dorohedoro is basically No Gun's Life but fantasy instead of cyberpunk and that's okay
Scamboli and the masked man loved it
asdfghk dorohedoro is so good
You hit all the key points for me: power systems based on strategic options _shine_ when your combatants can't thoughtlessly facetank every punchline. These power systems become legit philosophical thought experiments, like, "What if I could _walk through causality?"_ and sometimes we can imagine fighting back against the things that scare us most, protecting each other.
With series like Gantz though, the big drawback for battle horror is _sheer empathy drain._ I'm already dealing with a lot of legit, 'my therapist demands to know why I didn't get help a decade sooner' trauma, and seeing terrible things happening to people, _knowing that a real person somewhere has experienced this kind of agony and it's on the table for my loved ones too,_ just...gets exhausting. I can't bring myself to watch Devilman because, 'The hero watches helplessly as he fails to protect EVERYONE, and along the way humans do THE WORST SHIT POSSIBLE TO EACH OTHER' just hits too close to home. Which sucks because I respect it so much as a piece of fiction _and anime history that set the baseline for so many tropes that are employed thoughtlessly today._
I've always said of vanilla horror: I prefer stories that root for the survivors. There's something about seeing somebody kind and gentle emerge from bloody trauma that just _gets to me._
Jujutsu kaisen is going to be in top 3 anime of the year. I am calling it!
Definitely
Probably
I'm caught up on the manag, so I have a good idea of how the season will play out. If they keep up this killer art and animation, the story will take them way above the rest. Also it doesn't sexualize any of its under age female charaters, which is a very low bar no one seems capable of overcoming in shonen....
@@austen1906 yeah I too have been ready g the manga since the start of last year and its really good. Spoilers:
The series will probably end with the tournament arc and next season would start off with the main characters on a trip about to fight hamami (if I remember correctly). I think s2 will end with shibuya arc aswell
@@satorugojo6722 same. Can't wait to see it! 🤩
There's definitely an appeal to stories that have horror as a main theme, or even with just horror elements. Two of my favourite stories, Skulduggery Pleasant and Wildbow's Worm are like this. They follow two main story themes, a young girl discovers there's a hidden world of magic, and a teenager steps into a world of superpowers that is more complex than she could imagine. But both of these inject horror elements, be it fucked up monsters, eldritch beings beyond comprehension, or the simple horror of irreversible body horror. These elements serve to heighten the tension of both series and make them more engaging, you worry more about the characters, which is a benefit of including horror elements into your story.
I kinda one check those books out now, lol. They remind me of Coraline, and I adored that book and movie growing up.
@@joyc.e.7511 Alright, but neither of them are like Coraline, except for the weird fact that all three have teenagers with black hair as protagonists.. Both worm and Skulduggery Pleasant are action series, and the main characters use violence to solve their problems, though in their defence most of their problems can only be solved with violence, and to my knowledge, Coraline isn't like that. If you do want to read them, Skulduggery Pleasant is closer to Coraline's age rating than Worm's. And Worm is the darkest of three in how it handle's its horror. I don't usually advocate spoilers, but its probably a good idea to look at the "Does the dog die" website before reading worm, as it has a lot of content warnings and stuff that could upset people who aren't expecting it. The story's still good but people shouldn't go into it thinking its a light hearted superhero story.
@@adamhayche8412 Ok, thanks for the heads-up! I actually like the idea of them being more violent (big fan of shounen/action in general). I probably won't need to check the warnings, as that sort of thing doesn't bother me. Going in blind makes it better, imo. I know Coraline isn't violent per se, but it is very disturbing. I recommend giving it a watch and/or read. The book is darker than the movie, but the movie is still stunning with it's use of stop-clay animation and horror imagery. And while I'm typing this, I just remembered what Skulduggery Pleasant was! It's about a girl and a talking skeleton that solve crimes together, right?
@@joyc.e.7511 Yes, that's what skulduggery Pleasant is about.
@@adamhayche8412 Ok, cool
"cursed by the lingering animosity of a conflict centries older than anyone alive remembers and condemned to die by old men more concerned with maintaining their power than fixing shit" - pretty much an accurate description of what it means to be a minority in many countries
it's funny cause I for the most part don't like horror in most things but the idea of combining it with shonen and thus creating a group of characters who can actually fight back against the horror is something that I have loved since watching Yuyu Hakisho back in the day or watching Soul Eater when I got older heck even HunterxHunter gave me those vibes if this is where anime is headed then I am all for it
D.Gray-Man is an underrated spooky shounen
Way underrated. It's, in my opinion, a work of art on the level of some of the anime/manga people always put on a pedestal like Fullmetal Alchemist.
I tried it out but it seemed like a monster of the week type deal. Is there more?
I fucking miss D.Gray-Man so much
I gotta rewatch it or read the manga
@@captainkiwi6874 well I think it's only like that in the beggining
I was hoping someone would mention d gray man, it gets absolutely bonkers in the recent chapters
Allegorical Horror + Shonen Optimism = "Better things ARE possible"
Well J.K it was going to a success the manga sold 2.5 million copies at debut and a new mangaka it's really unheard of
Isn't JJK's author a woman?
Exciting stuff.
@@gagesherman8826 sorry I got that wrong change it right away
We don't know gege's gender so dw about it
I'll just do this
Jujutsu Kaisen is doing so well right now to the point that it's hard to get a copy of volume one for a price under 10 euro in Ireland
For reference at least from what I remember it was at least possible to get a copy of demon slayer volume one for that price last year
I think the biggest reason why these hybrid type shows work so well, is because we never truly know, when side characters are safe, since we've seen them die before. It makes for some truly thrilling situations, which not many other types of shows can accomplish.
attack on titan and the promised neverland is all you need to show me for me to click the video lol
same lol, but I also clicked for Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen.
@@DamageMaximo I still need to watch demon slayer, currently rewatching mha for the new season though, but I will probably watch demon slayer after that
It's funny that these 4 is my fav anime ever
@@tumau3908 oh lmao, mha is my favorite series and attack on titan along with the promised never land are also at least top 5
@@MightyOwl_01 mha is your favorite anime ever, really? What do u like about it so much. I like it but for me it's an 8/10 at most.
Even LOTR falls into this category. 4 random nobodies from the opposite end of the world get swept up in a battle against an all consuming ancient force.
So let's list the horror shonen shows discussed here:
Jujutsu Kaisen
Demon Slayer
Attack on Titan
Made In Abyss
Parasyte
Promised Neverland
Full Metal Alchemist
Jojo's Bizarre Adventures
Chainsaw Man
Evangelion
Re:Zero
Tokyo Ghoul
Dorohedoro
Shiki
Devilman
Bleach
Did I miss any? Did I include some shows that weren't part of the main subject matter? I tried to list them based loosely on the frequency of their prominence in the discussion. I most likely placed FMA too high and Jojo too low, but that's due to the bias inherent in my personal preferences.
Good list
>horror shonen
>bleach
WHAT?
@@QWERTY-gp8fd, I'm just listing shows that they talked about in the video. I've honestly never watched Bleach. It's good to know that it doesn't belong on the list. I specifically asked people to tell me if something didn't belong. So thanks!
Re:Zero is not a Shonen tho
Hunter x Hunter, specifically with the Chimera Ant arc
My favorite Horror Shonen of all time is D. Gray-Man. But Soul Eater is worth a mention. It may of had alot of comedy. But the spooky horror vibes were definitely there!!!
As my favourite author Neil Gaiman said: “Stories are real, not because say that Dragons exist, but because tell that they can be defeated”
Spooky Shounen 11 months early Geoff.
It's spooky time all year round
@@mothersbasement fair point.
“We live in interesting times, and that is every bit the curse it always has been.”
You got that right dude.
The Colossal Titan on the thumbnail lmao have you seen the recent chapters 🦵💥 🌎
"That a single slip-up could spell their doom, with the exception of Eren, and maybe Mikasa and Levi."
Isayama: Huh? *Is that a challenge?*
I was probably like 8 watching pain tell naruto about the endless cycle of vengeance developing naruto's philosophy of total conflict resolution through what the sage of the six paths would call ninshu and what we would call talk no jutsu.
The entire arc was built upon the antithesis of the shinobi world the akatsuki and specifically their strongest (non itachi don't fight me) members, the akatsuki were initially designed to be a group of monsters which totally shows and the six paths of pain were the creepiest of the bunch literal walking corpes, jiraiya's killers with chucky orange hair piercing riddled flesh and those deranged rinnegan eyes.
Their choir theme with their dark robes triggered occultic fear in me and their invasion was brutal, stabbings with their weapons the receiver rods and the rinnegans mechnical weapons, a literal soul consuming demon, it was complete decimation to the entire village when pain blasted the whole thing down in one go.
When naruto showed up thugh after a struggle he was crushed by the weight of nagato's pain and despair only to see a childhood friend flung like a ragdoll and stabbed by pain right before his wide opened eyes leading to the most cathartic burst of range where we see naruto burst free delving deeper and deeper into the 9tails power than we've ever seen before. I know people loathe the animation of that fight but i still love it, the once gritty unending weight and despair of pain's horror was ripped to shreds by the sheer power and unforgiving ferocity the 9 tails pushing pain to his limits as the 2 move at otherworldly speeds in simplified animation reality itself becomes surreal bending around their bodies like clay pottery, to finally be liberated from the oppression of pain it was amazing but at the price of almost losing the main characters life as naruto is on the 8th tail his last chance having become a hideous monstrosity of flesh, i like to see the planetary devastation pain trapped 8 tailed naruto in as an egg for a now eveb more resolved naruto wherein naruto meets the family connection he lacked and a previous hokage narratively exactly what made naruto the guy he was and with the encouragement from his father he hatches from the egg and finishes pain finding the real body and returning the lives of the villagers.
A philosophical horror thar etched itself into my young child self watching naruto be consumed in horror and be reborn the hero of his land the greatest step towards hokage and the biggest step towards his final goal he ever made before the grear war. I feel like the nature of horror, built on the organic forces that brough us creatures to this point is a crazy useful tool for emotional catharsis and narrative expression and your perspective on the parallel between horror in shounen and the state of the world really does well to sells its value, growing up with the unlimited information of the internet you get exposed to tons of information that can get so dark so quick that existential dread is the norm and such horrors reflected in media open up the opportunity to show the overcoming of such high narratively high stakes and the appeal of transcending despair.
"Before you click away from this to feed your VTuber habit..."
Who the hell gave you permission to blatantly call me out like this? XD
5:59 that has to be one of the most smoothest transitions I've ever seen
JJK Spoilers
the current arc in the manga has shown me that this story isn’t afraid to kill its important characters and i find that to be a really amazing part of the manga. they even killed the mc himself and made him go through a full existential crisis to show him that this was no easy road. the deaths of nanami and the supposed death of nobara, sealing of gojo just shows the absolute power of the opposite side and it gives yuji a reality check. even megumi’s dad, who had no cursed power was on gojos level before he trained. i love jjk
JJK does something that most shounen are terrified of: CHARACTER STAKES. Stories like One Piece will shy away from character stakes and focus on story stakes and scale, which is still a great way to create tension, but having a story that delivers on character stakes well is a surefire way to have every conflict keeping me super super invested.
@@CurrentSoulKing u think character stakes are makes series good? akame ga kill is masterpiece then
This makes me realize a lot of my favorite animes are horror animes.
didn’t mention Soul Eater smh
It's basically always overlooked. Although season 2 of the anime is best left forgotten...
The manga is a masterpiece however
Ugh, where's my Soul Eater remake? Everything else is getting one! That's what it needs. I'd die, to see the rest of the manga adapted.
the disrespect, man
All we got was a clip of it smh
Bones or David productions Soul Eater remake, Bones or David productions Soul Eater remake
Can't wait for Chainsaw Man to get animated if it is possible.
I disagree. I think itll fall flat. I cant imagine how they would recreate the art from the manag. The rough sketchy, sometimes hyper detailed, sometimes minimal look is a large part of why its so good. and i just cant see it translated into anime without it looking wrong
@@austen1906 plus the possible issue of censorship
@@zacharypreval3186 true. not even attack on titan is that level of graphic. But the western audience is thirsty for ultra violent, ultra gory content. Maybe Netflix will pick it up and make it entirely CGI...
@@austen1906 please no
@@austen1906 depends on the studio that picks it up, i think
We are in a new era of Shonen anime.
Where Quality beats quantity.
Great time for a D.Gray-Man reboot.
well there is the sequel Hollow
Me, during the AoT section: “...hang on, is that Ludwig’s theme? What?”
Geoff: “like Bloodborne!”
Me: “ah.”
Isn't that Laurence's theme?
Karlo o shit you right
Guess I messed up the 3/4 tempos what with the talking over it
The talk of fear is a good explanation of why I don't really go for horror and instead prefer stuff such like one of my favourite which deals with issues of how businesses can be forces for good or evil and how just because a job isn't one of glory it doesn't mean that it isn't important and can't be enjoyable with a supportive set of coworkers and bosses.
It's called : Though young people recoil from entering the black magic industry, I found its treatment of employees quite good when I entered it, and the president and familiar are cute too so everything is awesome!
Also it's quite lewd and very funny.
k:"you punched trough a wall"
y:"so"
k:"normal people aren't supposed to do that"
y:"but i wasn't even reinforced concrete"
k:"normal people can't punch through any concrete"
Obviously you should have seen this coming as the building is abandoned therefore the structure must be weak. These villans can't even prepare for anything before attacking.
@@sambishara9300 Are you really searching logic in the strength of a shonen protagonist who just casually breaks world records without even trying ?
@@siragon756 All I am saying is that he should have expected the wall to be broken since it was obviously not reinforced or else the building wouldn't be a ruin.
"no special abilities" besides their child super intelligence
Man, what a great analysis! Just adding another example to the "What it all means section", connecting horror media with real-life crisis: The US in the 30's, with the great depression saw the rise of so many cult horror movies, like Frankenstein, Wolf Man, Dracula, etc due to very similar logic shown here!
sigh- why does everyone seem to forget that D.Gray-Man exists, 116 episodes of intricately winding mystery and shonen battles. It's an ongoing series too
No way? I only saw 1 season and called it unfinished 😭 didn't realize there was more lmaoo
@@LocoMohsin season 2 is roughly based on light novel material and mediocre in my opinion but season 3 and 4 are great
Anime characters: we store blood bombs in our body whenever we get cut blood explode
'Psychological' is bringing the real pain with his best friend 'Tragedy', and this time, they *remembered* to invite 'Horror' to play with them when they go bully 'Shounen'.
More like creating a forced friendship with shounen.
i was questioning myself since a long time, why i'm suddenly so drawn to horror shonen anime and what you said at the end, actually made me tear up. it made me realize some things and i'm grateful that you pointed that out c: helped me to understad myself a bit better again
Horror seems like a great combo to go with nearly any genre and its sick to see this particular combination thrive
Horror Cooking anime where the character cook with body parts and flesh of dead people.
Jesus christ that lowkey sounds horryfing lmao
Id be down, hell I think that's at least one horror movie plot
One thing that really sticks with me for Jujutsu Kaisen is Sukuna and how he’s treated in the plot vs how Kyuubi is used in Naruto. Kyuubi is a glorified plot device that exists to give the main character power ups and has very little characterization and influence in the plot. It gets a little better as the show progresses, but it’s glacial and the level of improvement is arguable.
From the jump Sukuna establishes himself as a CHARACTER. He has a much more vibrant and powerful personality from the start, and it only grows more defined each time he appears. He’s NOT a battery for Yuji to power up with, he’s an incredibly dangerous and powerful creature that has his own plots and manipulations going. He’s FAR more active and his motivations and character are central to any plot involving him.
I cried like a baby over the Caesar. I never expected to cry over jojos but I've cried so much over jojo
Interweaving Bloodborne in a anime video essay, wow
I already loved you Man, You didnt needed to capture my heart that way
1:50
Nice transition.
I believe Claymore did this spooky killgore of named characters and known characters pretty well, and quickly, with high stakes, and powerfull enemies.
18:00 Evangelion has a happy ending
I like how the animes featured on the thumbnail are all gritty action...
_and then there’s smol bean Nezuko_
It took me a good while to listen to you and start watching Deca-Dense, and it's amazing. So I have no idea why it took me this long to listen to you and watch Jujutsu Kaisen as well. I'm going to start watching episode one right now. Looking forward to it!
EDIT:
I just finished the first seven episodes. It's pretty damn great so far!
Deca dense was good but the ending was kinda cheesy. But it's also a show aimed towards children so I can forgive that
18:40 Very poignant statement, as always, and stacking up facts I find to be self-evident. However, I still found myself getting a little glassy-eyed at the line "...and maybe even use some of the things we fear to our own advantage." It's not a new perspective, but your prose truly emphasizes exactly what you're trying to say, *how* you're trying to say it, and precisely *WHEN* it's impact would be felt the greatest. Great stuff as always. Keep up the wonderful work in our ever wacky world. You're doing god's work.
This makes me want even more a proper shonen horror adaptation of the Animorphs books
It's the power of hope and gaining the ability to fight against the despair of the system that brings people back time and time again. There's always an audience that will cheer for an underdog, and when the stakes are at an all-time high, just makes the win that much more satisfying.
I honestly believe the Frieza saga was the best arc of Dragonball, because it holds pretty much the horror of an unstoppable threat with the real chance that he could kill you all at any point, trying to outwit him enough to take him out with a last ditch effort, and finally getting the power up to allow you to finish off the bastard for good (or so we thought).
My dream is to write a shonen comic with horror elements. Already started writting it but let's see how it goes
I'm interested. Could I have a synopsis of what you got so far? If need be, we can move this conversation elsewhere.
@@lekseimgaming2780 I prefer not to tell until I'm almost done or done with it. You can follow my art accounts if you're interested and I'll definitely post about it when I have more done! ✨
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Me too kinda, I'm aiming to write a book with similar elements. Not sure how I'm gonna translate the shounen aspects yet, but I'll try.
@@despairwaffle6798 Sick, I'll be sure to do so.
@@joyc.e.7511 rooting for ya!
Always recommend Le Guin. Her Earthsea books go down so smooth, and after that, well...
The very first nightmare I can remember was having a shadow chase me, like Ged.
Munou na Nana is the most underrated anime this season.
@Dnb Batilla it does in my opinion.
@Dnb Batilla it gets alot more intersting but there are stil some flaws you should try and watch more of it
I mean I've been reading the manga though
@Dnb Batilla I do feel like it’s for a certain amount of people but it does start to make sense in starts connecting the story,Nana character gets built more as the story goes on the new episode It actually really good but it’s not for everyone and if you don’t care about it you probably shouldn’t watch it.
Most underrated would go to Akudama Drive, but Nana is at least top 3 of the season.
D Gray Man and Soul Eater would come to my mind aswell both one of my favorites
Fire Force kinda fits this too. Religious imagery and symbolism, enemies ranging from hellish to outright eldritch, and it's done by the author of Soul Eater.
"Till this day, hearing the word "Shibuya" still sends chills to my spine.
11:00 Hypogean Gaol theme, honestly would watch you talk about bloodborne
That place still gives me nightmares. Those darn snatchers.
The video pretty accurately hits the nail into the head, horror in action/battle anime works better as it keeps you guessing with what will happen and who will survive. You can try and apply logic to situation but horror is best when it throws logic out the window and keeps it's scares secret, which also allows talented creators such a great canvas for some absolute greatness. And the anime scene right now is hitting a rich bloody vain of great stuff these last few years!
unpopular opinion: I think the Titans in Attack on Titan look so incredibly derpy and stupid that I just can't take them seriously. No amount of death, chaos, or carnage they cause instills me with any more fear than that of a toddler having a tantrum.
The Promised Neverland however depicts a far more chilling depiction of a man-eating creature and I believe the parts that make them distinctly not human (along with the parts that make them human) make them a far more interesting and unique depiction of a "monster"
You only watch season 1, huh
@@mustofaakmal7493 Honestly couldn't even finish the first season. The only aspect of the show I found visually stunning was the character's eyes, however, my severe disdain of the titans due to their "perceived" lack of threat (at least to me) made Eren's disdain for the titans laughable, childish, and incredibly annoying.
I'm not trying to discredit the show itself, I just can't get into the series because of it. Just because I'm not finding enjoyment from it doesn't discredit yours, truthfully I'm thankful for how the show introduced people to anime but I have a different taste and AOT did not mesh well with me.
(and since you appreciate the show, to describe how I view the titans is similar in a way to watching Jaws for the first time and getting taken out of the scene with how unlifelike the shark is, really for anything more modern just picture any scene of janky CGI in a Live action story and that's the same vibe I get from the titans. no matter how great of a narrative threat they are, I am pulled out of the action)
@@kickasterisk6155 Its alright, people have different taste. Maybe its just not your cup of tea. Its get better after season 1 tho, if you maybe want to revisit
@@mustofaakmal7493 a lot better at that
TPN is amazing. I've read the manga and know whats coming in S2, and can't wait.
seriously, you guys are gonna LOVE the Lewis scenes ;)
He’s my favorite character
The first TPN light novel (A Letter from Norman) is coming out in less than two weeks in my country and I'm really looking forward to it.
I started internally chanting Made In Abyss while you were doing the intro. So glad you gave it some shout outs!
Is that bloodborne Lawrence the first vicar
I can hear Lawrence's screaming
"But when you're in a Jaeger, suddenly you can fight the hurricane. Suddenly you can win."
Binged JJK manga last week. It was cool. I'm from Malaysia so Nanami's extra cool
Both attempts at adapting it to an anime fall pretty flat but D. Gray Man absolutely deserves some kudos here too. Whimsical anachronism and mad science slowly unraveling into body horror, war crimes, and explorations of the abusive (especially against kids and especially medical) committed by “good guys” in the name of “doing good”
I'm glad Jujutsu Kaisen really hit the Demon Slayer hype levels so far. It has really grasped me like that Demon Slayer did when I kept waiting for more and more episodes
I cannot wait for the Chainsaw Man anime adaptation. I just hope they do Tatsuki Fujimoto’s art justice
Aside from being amazing, I also love to watch these videos because sooner or later it helps with the writer's block.
I cannot thank you enough.
How could you make this video without mentioning Soul Eater!
Edit: Alright, there's a short clip, but it could contribute so much to this video!
I don't think I'll ever truly recover from chainsaw man or jujutsu kaisen.
Just binged the absolute fuck outta the jjk manga, its incredible and I can't wait to see what happens next. Its got me hyped for chainsaw man and I'm sure ill love it
gotta admit, you using the music from bloodborne's Yahar'gul for a portion of the video was an amazing choice. keep up the amazing work you always do
I love Chainsaw Man, but I’m not sure what’s been happening since the end of the Gun Devil stuff
I started watching based on your thumbnail alone and it has been AWESOME
CSM is going to be amazing if it gets a good adaptation
2:11 i immidately recognized the Laurence theme from Bloodborne the second it started playing
10:20 and also Hail the Nightmare
Hey Geoff can you check out a manga named "Skeleton soldier couldn't protect the Dungeon" too, also Great Video!
Manwha/webtoon to be specific
Has been a really interesting read but I’m scared that the mysteries that have been built up so much will disappoint lol because there’s never any answers just more questions lol
For horror shonen/battle anime/manga, I've always really loved Soul Eater. It just has a fun halloween aesthetic and some pretty cool battles, plus an underlying message about fear and the human condition that were fun to dissect. There are some problems with it and it's not for everyone, but I'd suggest giving it a try! :3