Since I’m a huge boxing fan,of course, I found today’s upload extremely interesting and entertaining! I’m sure most people realize Cus D’ Amato went on to be Mike Tyson’s trainer. Thanks OC SHORTZ ....
I like the video with Cus and Muhammad ALi are “sparing” on a tv show and Cus hit’s Muhammad Ali in the face. It really showed you that he was a boxing genius. Ali definitely respected him with high esteem.
My dad was an amateur boxer as a teenager. Late 1940s-early 1950s. He got out of it because (1) he realized that he wasn’t really built to be a professional fighter and (2) he said the game was infested with mobsters…
On his podcast Mike Tyson told Michael Franseze that when he was young Fat Tony Salerno used to come and see Cus D’Amato and they would talk. This makes sense lol
This video was outstanding O.C. I loved boxing way back in the day and there were always rumors a lot of high profile fights were mobbed up. Great content and enjoyable as ever!
Excellent story. I was blessed, to have been able to meet, and train with Mr. Patterson, at his gym in New Paltz, NY, during the mid 90's. He was a very interesting man to say the least. There was a huge picture of him and Johanson, hanging in the upstairs portion of the gym. Again great job Bro, and as always SALUTE.
Absolutely brilliant OC, I've known about the mobs involvement in this particular fight for some time although not in great detail, great to hear about it in more detail 👍, thanks for another wonderful video OC.
Boxing right now is SOOOO unchecked it's the wild west out there. I'm surprised the mafia didn't re infiltrate the sport again. Just recently, the closest thing to this is Daniel Kinahan. They're wilding over there in Ireland. This video was a real treat 🥊 thanks.
Nowadays, I think it’s mostly garbage, unions, and street rackets. A boxing bust could re-ignite the wrath of the Feds in the 70s, 80s which of course the Mob don’t want.
Very interesting video. It's amazing to see how involved mobsters are in boxing. Even back to owney madden, and to Liston. The video of Michael Franzese is about 80% of him talking about boxing, what families were involved and basically throwing his father under the bus. Even up to this year, you had the irish kinahan cartel controlling some of the biggest fighters in MMA and boxing. Very good video, thanks.
@@OCSHORTZ I recommend seeking out the Frankie La Porte’s FBI file (Chicago). I was surprised at how “underground” this guy was, as the Feds continuously failed to investigate and pursue him in the late 50s.
@@antoinesilva1527 you mean independently research him, or have you a book or source who have condensed it for us?? if the former, I'll definitely try look up on him when I have the time. Thanks.
Cafano and Carbo were both members of Murder Inc if I remember correctly also its sad how these boxers put blood, sweat and tears into these matches only for mobsters to drug, beat and or threaten them and get nothing when it's all over. Great video as always 👍
You could be right , but I never remember hearing those 2 names , Cafano , and Carbo being involved in murder inc. - I'm not saying you're wrong, tho...
@@jrcenteno1896 Carbo, Seigel, Adonis, Levine worked with the Brownsville and Ocean Hill boys.. even while in LA. There was a squabble between Reles, and another Jewish mobster Ganji Cohen (who later fled and went to work in Hollywood as a film extra) against Bugsy Seigal and Carbo during a hit in LA. Lepke, Anastasia, and Louis Copone had to mediate it. Ganji Cohen was the getaway driver and he and Bugsy Seigel got into it over the disposal of the stolen car. Bugsy being in the wrong of course. Another link was Big Harry Greenburg, an enforcer in Siegel and Lanskys gang “The Bug and Meyer Mob” that eventually became Murder Inc. Harry got pinched for murder, couldn’t take it, and eventually became an informant. The genius fled to LA and reached out to Seigel. So this time Frankie Carbo did the hit on Greenburg and je eventually got the contract to terminate Bugsy Siegel. Frankie Carbo definitely had enough bodies to rival the Brownsville/Ocean Hill boys.. except for maybe Pep Strauss.😂
I’m a life long boxing fan due to my father being a fight in the 50’s & 60’s in Newark, NJ - Tony Galento was his trainer and there were like John DiGilio who were major players in the boxing game along with the others mentioned in this video - Great Commentary !!!!!🥊
Gilbert “The Brain” Beckley might have been the biggest sports bookie/ NFL game fixer in the history of the US. By the mid 60s, it was estimated his operation had a take of around 100,000,000 in NYC alone. His operation spanned the entire country. Disappeared in 1970.
Interesting story. A lot of ex boxers in the mob. But one I hope you can get to is international boxing hall of famer and former featherweight, lightweight and junior welterweight champion Tony Canzoneri, according to the FBI and Bill Bonanno he wound up a Caporegime in the Bonanno family before dying in 1959. Anyway excellent work as always and I make it a point to tell anyone interested in organized crime that this is the best site to check out.
If you feel like doing another Mafia film real mobster spotlight I would love to see the real underworld players in Raging Bull. Another great episode James.
Oc: If you're interested, look into the Fatittas ( I believe that's the name). The Grandfather was a "CASHIER" at the Tropicana, & in 1976 he opened Palace Station. The Stations casino group grew considerably, & one son Purchased the UFC for 1 million dollars in the early 2000's late 90's. Obviously there is STILL "SOME" connection between the "OLD/&PRESENT " day "BUISNESS MODEL". Great information, thanks again Ron.
Fix? Please. You’re out of your mind if you believe that. Sonny didn’t need any help. Sonny destroyed Patterson twice. On his way to the ring, Floyd looked like he was being led to the electric chair. Floyd couldn’t have beaten Liston with a gun.
Then there was John Digilio. (Whom I believe you covered in a previous video.) Who won the 1950 Golden Gloves. Had a 28-10 record, and was inducted into the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame. During his trial he had Rocco Graziano, Jake La Motta, and Joe Frazier in court supporting him. About a month after his accquital they found him in a body bag, floating in the Hackensack River.
Good video yet again.Ive searched and searched for info regarding 1930s all time great fighter Tony Canzoneri's involvement with the Bonnano crime family.There are photographs of Canzoneri + Joe Bonnano together and a claim by Bonnanos son in his book that Canzoneri was a CAPO in the family! Ive also traced Canzos mother (Shira/Schiro) who worked for a New Orleans mob boss back around 1909-1913. Have you ever seen any links with Canzoneri in your research? The man was a superstar in the 30s + regularly listed in top 25 all time boxers lists Thanks for these videos by the way,Great stuff
It’s interesting how these “golden age” investigations you do turn up so many informants. People talk like wide scale ratting only started in the 80s with Rico, Gotti, etc. But it was going on the whole time. It seems like what actually changed was the federal government got serious on going after the whole things as a single enterprise, rather than a crime here, a crime there. Great vid
Boxing is something I often wondered about with regards to LCN. It figures that Fat Tony would be involved 😂 Great subject to bring up , James ! 💯 I can't believe they used to drug some fighters ! 😳 See ya Sat. morning , Chap.
James thanks again for another amazing video on this wonderful Wednesday. Payday and an OC Shortz video on my way to work….can’t beat it! Peace and love always ✌️ One other thing, the killer of Bugsy Siegel, my bet was always on murder Inc hitter Frankie Carbo. What do you think?
Cus D' Amato had a lot of connections to LCN as did man other boxing mangers. At that time Frankie Carbo ruled boxing and the LCN still had connections into the 80's with Don King, Lou Duva and Al Certo
That was a long add James I like that singer anyway Tony Salerno him and Johnny torrio my favourites in a paradoxical way Love stuff on Tony. Photographs of him as a young man seem in short supply however you will probably prove me wrong. Anyway another great story
What's up Jimmy? So sorry haven't been around pal, got the ole' covid that took down my clan, but we're back and better then ever. And know ready for some awesome OC SHORTZ. 👍
Has anyone ever seen the BBC interview with Muhammad Ali when he speaks of an Italian gangster who approached him before the foreman fight and offered him a substance to rub on his gloves during the fight that would temporarily blindan opponent. He also claims the guy who offered him was in Sonny Liston' corner on the night of the fight between ali and liston when ali was temporarily blinded.
Excellent content as always 👏 that little mention of Joe Adonis has got me interested in finding out more information about him a future video on him would be good 👍🏴
Very interesting story…it’s funny because I was watching a Mike Tyson interview the other day where Mike said Cus was friends with Fat Tony I think he even said Cus introduced him to Fat Tony when he was younger
Another great story. Thanks for sharing it with us. I've heard about Fat Tony being the financial backer for the fight along with Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo running the fight game, but this story gives us more details in regards to how things were operated. I'm not surprised that Fat Tony had a hand in boxing, given how diverse his money making operations were. He is likely the go to guy for some extra financing as long as it turns a good profit for him.
This stuff really makes you wonder if you can trust these old fights and titles at all. And maybe even the new ones 🤔 There’s all these debates e.g. like how good Fury is compared to the old time greats like Liston, but if, as this video suggests, fights like Patterson v Liston were fixed, that kind of messes all that up (even more than they already are)…
Great chapter Jimmie Whiskers. As a Part 2 maybe delve into the fight between Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali. That fight always carried the stigma of a "fix". Liston was "knocked out' by a punch that many viewers said never touched him. Liston was connected to some Las Vegas boys and died a mysterious death in Vegas. Please , please look into this fight
Tommy Eboli acted as Vincent Gigante's manager during his brief boxing career. The two of them also participated in the failed hit on Frank Costello: Gigante - shooter; Eboli - driver. Mob has been involved in boxing ever since $ could be made gambling on it...
I've watched the Patterson -Johansson trilogy numerous times over the years and Floyd was not drugged in that first fight. And he definitely wasn't drugged against Liston just scared to death
Do you have definitive proof he wasn't drugged? I'm not an expert on boxing. Just sharing the Fbi file based on informant information, which of course doesn't mean its correct.
@@OCSHORTZ not definite proof but like I said I’ve watched those 3 fights probably 10-15 times in my life and it went pretty much the same only with Patterson losing the 1st fight. Ingemar Johansson had a very hard right and won by a legit surprise KO. If you watch the other two fights of the trilogy Floyd gets dropped several times only to come back and score the KO. Now some people do claim that that if Johansson won the 2nd fight Rocky Marciano would have came out of retirement to face him and Rocky’s manager Al Weill was very connected to Frankie Carbo
@@OCSHORTZ Johansson was unknown to the American fans and most fighters. The 1st Patterson fight was his first in America. He had beaten n old Eddie Machen to get the shot and definitely pullled off an upset. Floyd Patterson was pretty chinny so looking back it’s not a surprise he was knocked out in that 1st and then destroyed by Liston twice
@@OCSHORTZ in the future Cus D’Amato was very fearful of mob involvement in his fighters careers and lectured Tyson on the evils of boxing. Because of the way he seemed to genuinely care for his fighters like Tyson, Jose Torres and Patterson I truly don’t believe he would be involved in drugging one
I don't think Paterson was drugged. Wladimir Klitschko was, tho, in the first fight with Brewster. Boxing is crookeder than ever. OC - Great videos but r u sure that Johanssen got nothing at all when he beat Paterson? I find that hard to believe. He had his whole country behind him if he said anything.
No, but there is a story where Salerno is heard telling Tony Corallo that some younger mobster once did. He wasn't angry just moaning about the young generation.
Got to catch this early it's my day off today , they called me to come in I start at 2 🤣🤣🤣🤣 first week of vacation 😉 this year 🤣🤣🤣 and they called me in 😥
You forgot my Uncle Frank. Frank "Blinky" Palermo who was Carbo's right hand man. Blinky was a good friend of my grandfather's and he didnt have any kids so he would call/treat me and my older bro his nephew and we would call him Uncle Frank. We arent Italian but that is an Italian American thing and my grandfather knew Blinky plus other very well known mobsters most from Philly because my grandfather was head of the Philadelphia Building Trades. Back then in the 70s-1990s the Unions in Philly were almost like their own OC family especially the Roofers Union who my grandfather knew the higher ups and rank and file very well. They eventually caught a RICO indictment from the FEDS the Roofers in the mid to late 1980s. Blinky was also very close to Angelo Bruno according to Pennsylvania Crime and New Jersey Crime commission books i have I read from the 70s,80s and 90s.
I still think Marciano,s plane crash is iffy knowing what we know now about who was controlling boxing , him and future contenders etc - def more to that imho
There is no way that Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) was not tainted by Mafia influence. The Mafia reach into sports back then, especially in boxing, was huge.
Fat Tony would later become the "front man" for Vincent "the Chin" Gigante. "Chin" himself was a former pro boxer having been in about twenty something bouts. The Chin must have covered his tracks very well in the later years, it is amazing how his name isn't mention in the post 1960s years in fixing fights. Most of the above fixers are members of the Genovese family, so when the likes of Frankie Carbo and other top leaders of that family died it seems ex boxer Gigante would have certainly gotten his hands a little dirty with Tony Fats still around. I wonder if there are indeed FBI files on the Chin and fixing prize fights in the later years?
@@georgegentile4788 that is incorrect. It was an affection name given to him by his mother. His name was Vincenzo and his mother called Chinzeeno - this came from his brother Louis.
@@OCSHORTZ hello my friend,a gentleman from my village ran booze with Mauro Manna, Bobby's father .saw vincenzo in the ring .told me this nearly 50yrs ago.he'd kill ya in the locker room but Marcus of Queensbury couldn't protect his jaw.have a great weekend
@@georgegentile4788 I have heard that too, but it isn't the origin of his name. Merely a coincidence. People often call him "the Chin" when in fact it was originally and more accurately just "Chin" due to the reason I have above.
James D. Norris was President Of International Boxing club. This was the main group that arranged fights. My father told me he was crooked. Patterson had a glass chin-he did not lose on purpose. There were 2 rematches & Floyd won both-legitimately. Liston legitimately destroyed Floyd, then threw a couple fights to Ali. IMO the Vegas mob murdered Sonny.
Liston was far too powerful for Patterson anyway so I don't see why they wouldn't bet on him. Patterson was smaller and significantly softer than Liston was.
Since I’m a huge boxing fan,of course, I found today’s upload extremely interesting and entertaining! I’m sure most people realize Cus D’ Amato went on to be Mike Tyson’s trainer. Thanks OC SHORTZ ....
I figured people would realize about the D'Amato - Tyson connection so didn't mention it. Glad you enjoyed the video Bill. I hope you are well.
I like the video with Cus and Muhammad ALi are “sparing” on a tv show and Cus hit’s Muhammad Ali in the face. It really showed you that he was a boxing genius. Ali definitely respected him with high esteem.
@@OCSHORTZlistening to people around Cus, some said he was paranoid about the mob and its influence but it seems he was rgt
Awesome video man. Love how you talk about topics that dont get talked about very much.
Thank you Jesse.
My dad was an amateur boxer as a teenager. Late 1940s-early 1950s. He got out of it because (1) he realized that he wasn’t really built to be a professional fighter and (2) he said the game was infested with mobsters…
My two favourite topics combined - LCN and boxing. Buzzing about this video! Thanks, James.
Hope you enjoyed it.
On his podcast Mike Tyson told Michael Franseze that when he was young Fat Tony Salerno used to come and see Cus D’Amato and they would talk. This makes sense lol
This video was outstanding O.C. I loved boxing way back in the day and there were always rumors a lot of high profile fights were mobbed up. Great content and enjoyable as ever!
Thank you Tim
Excellent story. I was blessed, to have been able to meet, and train with Mr. Patterson, at his gym in New Paltz, NY, during the mid 90's. He was a very interesting man to say the least. There was a huge picture of him and Johanson, hanging in the upstairs portion of the gym. Again great job Bro, and as always SALUTE.
I believe that later in life Patterson and Johansson became good friends and would meet up every year either in the US or Sweden,
@@OCSHORTZ unfortunately I never got to talk to Mr. Patterson much about anything personal. But I don't doubt that.
@@OCSHORTZ I can say however, that I have a pretty decent jab thanksto him..
Absolutely brilliant OC, I've known about the mobs involvement in this particular fight for some time although not in great detail, great to hear about it in more detail 👍, thanks for another wonderful video OC.
Thank you George
Another guy I`m fascinated with the life of Fat Tony !!! You always come through !!! Thank u brother !!!
Boxing right now is SOOOO unchecked it's the wild west out there. I'm surprised the mafia didn't re infiltrate the sport again. Just recently, the closest thing to this is Daniel Kinahan. They're wilding over there in Ireland. This video was a real treat 🥊 thanks.
Nowadays, I think it’s mostly garbage, unions, and street rackets. A boxing bust could re-ignite the wrath of the Feds in the 70s, 80s which of course the Mob don’t want.
Yu think they haven’t lol
Very informative and studied, great stuff as always.
Thank you Nicholas.
Very interesting video. It's amazing to see how involved mobsters are in boxing. Even back to owney madden, and to Liston. The video of Michael Franzese is about 80% of him talking about boxing, what families were involved and basically throwing his father under the bus.
Even up to this year, you had the irish kinahan cartel controlling some of the biggest fighters in MMA and boxing.
Very good video, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@OCSHORTZ I recommend seeking out the Frankie La Porte’s FBI file (Chicago). I was surprised at how “underground” this guy was, as the Feds continuously failed to investigate and pursue him in the late 50s.
@@antoinesilva1527 you mean independently research him, or have you a book or source who have condensed it for us?? if the former, I'll definitely try look up on him when I have the time. Thanks.
@@antoinesilva1527 brilliant, thanks mate.
This was really interesting As a Swedish boxing fan i seen alot about that fight but never heard the mafia part thank you
Cafano and Carbo were both members of Murder Inc if I remember correctly also its sad how these boxers put blood, sweat and tears into these matches only for mobsters to drug, beat and or threaten them and get nothing when it's all over. Great video as always 👍
You could be right , but I never remember hearing those 2 names , Cafano , and Carbo being involved in murder inc. - I'm not saying you're wrong, tho...
@@jrcenteno1896 Carbo, Seigel, Adonis, Levine worked with the Brownsville and Ocean Hill boys.. even while in LA. There was a squabble between Reles, and another Jewish mobster Ganji Cohen (who later fled and went to work in Hollywood as a film extra) against Bugsy Seigal and Carbo during a hit in LA. Lepke, Anastasia, and Louis Copone had to mediate it. Ganji Cohen was the getaway driver and he and Bugsy Seigel got into it over the disposal of the stolen car. Bugsy being in the wrong of course. Another link was Big Harry Greenburg, an enforcer in Siegel and Lanskys gang “The Bug and Meyer Mob” that eventually became Murder Inc. Harry got pinched for murder, couldn’t take it, and eventually became an informant. The genius fled to LA and reached out to Seigel. So this time Frankie Carbo did the hit on Greenburg and je eventually got the contract to terminate Bugsy Siegel. Frankie Carbo definitely had enough bodies to rival the Brownsville/Ocean Hill boys.. except for maybe Pep Strauss.😂
I've heard the same thing!!!
@@eamonwright7488 Real Talk..
Mobsters stole their money sick just sick
When the bout was over and the radio announcer spoke with Cus, his first words were There won't be another arena large enough for the rematch
Delivering great inside content again, great, highly enjoyable!👍
Thank you Erwin.
I’m a life long boxing fan due to my father being a fight in the 50’s & 60’s in Newark, NJ - Tony Galento was his trainer and there were like John DiGilio who were major players in the boxing game along with the others mentioned in this video - Great Commentary !!!!!🥊
Thank you Bobby
Gilbert “The Brain” Beckley might have been the biggest sports bookie/ NFL game fixer in the history of the US. By the mid 60s, it was estimated his operation had a take of around 100,000,000 in NYC alone. His operation spanned the entire country. Disappeared in 1970.
Interesting story. A lot of ex boxers in the mob. But one I hope you can get to is international boxing hall of famer and former featherweight, lightweight and junior welterweight champion Tony Canzoneri, according to the FBI and Bill Bonanno he wound up a Caporegime in the Bonanno family before dying in 1959. Anyway excellent work as always and I make it a point to tell anyone interested in organized crime that this is the best site to check out.
One of the best episodes you done mate proper smashing it.💪
Thank you Santino.
I heard a mike Tyson interview where he said Fat Tony would stop to see Cus Damato.
I'll have to check that one out.
Said they grew up in the same neighborhood
If you feel like doing another Mafia film real mobster spotlight I would love to see the real underworld players in Raging Bull. Another great episode James.
Sure thing Patrick. I will add it to the list.
Great video. Thanks OC 👍
Thank you Paul
Oc:
If you're interested, look into the Fatittas ( I believe that's the name).
The Grandfather was a "CASHIER" at the Tropicana, & in 1976 he opened
Palace Station. The Stations casino group grew considerably, & one son
Purchased the UFC for 1 million dollars in the early 2000's late 90's.
Obviously there is STILL "SOME" connection between the "OLD/&PRESENT " day "BUISNESS MODEL".
Great information, thanks again Ron.
Fertitta, but all true
@@Muzprom It was close 🤣🤣
Great stuff James, as usual.
The influence of the Mob on boxing in those times is amazing and appalling.
Really enjoyed the video.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Great history, what about Ali Liston fight?
I remember listening to the Patterson v Liston fight on the radio with my dad - the FIX was in 🤔😎🤗
The Fix was in ? There may have decided on the round Liston would drop Patterson but there was no way he could win .
Fix?
Please.
You’re out of your mind if you believe that.
Sonny didn’t need any help.
Sonny destroyed Patterson twice.
On his way to the ring, Floyd looked like he was being led to the electric chair.
Floyd couldn’t have beaten Liston with a gun.
Great video OC 🍿
Cool concept for a video & well put together. Nice work sir!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
great episode!!!
Thank you Raj
I love the picture of the young Fat Tony… hard to recognize without the cigar!
Then there was John Digilio. (Whom I believe you covered in a previous video.) Who won the 1950 Golden Gloves. Had a 28-10 record, and was inducted into the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame.
During his trial he had Rocco Graziano, Jake La Motta, and Joe Frazier in court supporting him. About a month after his accquital they found him in a body bag, floating in the Hackensack River.
Indeed I did. The video can be found on the homepage of my channel.
Just rewatched it. Great stuff!
@@dr.vinnyboombatz22 thank you Vinny
Rumer has it digilio was offered to back sugar ray Leonard when he turned pro.he didn't said he wasn't worth the investment.
@@OCSHORTZ I still don’t know how Buccola figured into this conspiracy at all.
Good video yet again.Ive searched and searched for info regarding 1930s all time great fighter Tony Canzoneri's involvement with the Bonnano crime family.There are photographs of Canzoneri + Joe Bonnano together and a claim by Bonnanos son in his book that Canzoneri was a CAPO in the family! Ive also traced Canzos mother (Shira/Schiro) who worked for a New Orleans mob boss back around 1909-1913.
Have you ever seen any links with Canzoneri in your research? The man was a superstar in the 30s + regularly listed in top 25 all time boxers lists
Thanks for these videos by the way,Great stuff
People can say whatever about the Gambinos but I think Genovese was for sure most powerful in NYC. It’s why Chicago had connections to them!!
I had heard that Sonny Liston was given a hotshot from the mob and that Frankie Carbo was Bugsy Seigel's shooter.
It’s interesting how these “golden age” investigations you do turn up so many informants. People talk like wide scale ratting only started in the 80s with Rico, Gotti, etc. But it was going on the whole time. It seems like what actually changed was the federal government got serious on going after the whole things as a single enterprise, rather than a crime here, a crime there. Great vid
Thank you Will.
My two favorite interests!
Great Content.👍
Thank you Louis
@@OCSHORTZ You are Welcome.👍
Perfect timing as always mate just sat down to lunch lol get subbing guys
Enjoy your lunch Tim
Boxing is something I often wondered about with regards to LCN. It figures that Fat Tony would be involved 😂 Great subject to bring up , James ! 💯
I can't believe they used to drug some fighters ! 😳
See ya Sat. morning , Chap.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great job James. 👍👍💯
Thank you, James
James thanks again for another amazing video on this wonderful Wednesday. Payday and an OC Shortz video on my way to work….can’t beat it! Peace and love always ✌️
One other thing, the killer of Bugsy Siegel, my bet was always on murder Inc hitter Frankie Carbo. What do you think?
Got to love payday! I hope you are well pal.
Cus D' Amato had a lot of connections to LCN as did man other boxing mangers. At that time Frankie Carbo ruled boxing and the LCN still had connections into the 80's with Don King, Lou Duva and Al Certo
Thank you my friend for bringing such fine content just exactly what I needed to stimulate my mind thanks again keep up the excellent work
Glad you enjoyed it Ekim
That was a long add James I like that singer anyway Tony Salerno him and Johnny torrio my favourites in a paradoxical way Love stuff on Tony. Photographs of him as a young man seem in short supply however you will probably prove me wrong. Anyway another great story
I don't have control over the length of ads I'm afraid. Sorry about that.
@@OCSHORTZ that's ok give me a chance to put the kettle on
I didn’t know about cus demato involvement in this fight
What's up Jimmy? So sorry haven't been around pal, got the ole' covid that took down my clan, but we're back and better then ever. And know ready for some awesome OC SHORTZ. 👍
Hope you are all feeling well
Thank you for sharing your research
Has anyone ever seen the BBC interview with Muhammad Ali when he speaks of an Italian gangster who approached him before the foreman fight and offered him a substance to rub on his gloves during the fight that would temporarily blindan opponent. He also claims the guy who offered him was in Sonny Liston' corner on the night of the fight between ali and liston when ali was temporarily blinded.
I'll have to check that one out.
@@OCSHORTZ wow that’s super interesting
@@OCSHORTZ Its "An audience with Muhammad Ali" right after the Foreman fight
Great video.
Thank you Glenn
When the bout was over, and they spoke to Cus first words were
Excellent content as always 👏 that little mention of Joe Adonis has got me interested in finding out more information about him a future video on him would be good 👍🏴
Another Excellent Episode. How about Jake LaMotta and the Mob.s involvement in his career? After all...He was the RAGING 🐂 BULL😄
Thank you Joseph
Very interesting story…it’s funny because I was watching a Mike Tyson interview the other day where Mike said Cus was friends with Fat Tony I think he even said Cus introduced him to Fat Tony when he was younger
Glad you enjoyed it John.
Sure I heard somewhere, maybe Teddy Atlas podcast that Cus D'Amato moved to the Catskills because his gym was under pressure from the mob.
exquisite precis .........a 10 minute short all facts and no fat
Thank you Richie
Another great story. Thanks for sharing it with us. I've heard about Fat Tony being the financial backer for the fight along with Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo running the fight game, but this story gives us more details in regards to how things were operated. I'm not surprised that Fat Tony had a hand in boxing, given how diverse his money making operations were. He is likely the go to guy for some extra financing as long as it turns a good profit for him.
Glad you enjoyed it Rod
‘Trigger’ Mike Coppola was a nomadic LCN member who was a part of the Detroit Partnership.
He also was big into the Heroin trade
He was the Captain of the 116th Street crew out of East Harlem and also operated out of Miami.
He was in the partnership? Or did he just have connections? How could he be such a prominent NYC capo and also a partnership member?
@@dutchybag I've never read about any Detroit connection. He was a long time Genovese Captain as far as I am aware.
@@OCSHORTZ I was wrong. I was thinking of Frankie ‘three fingers Coppola.
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Good Morning my friend!!
Morning.
Exellent work.
This stuff really makes you wonder if you can trust these old fights and titles at all. And maybe even the new ones 🤔 There’s all these debates e.g. like how good Fury is compared to the old time greats like Liston, but if, as this video suggests, fights like Patterson v Liston were fixed, that kind of messes all that up (even more than they already are)…
Liston vs Clay was obviously fixed, as were numerous other Clay aka Ali fights. Boxing is as crooked as ever now if not worse.
Where do you find this stuff? What are your research methods?
Fbi files, FOIA, court transcripts, wiretap transcripts, various books, newspaper archives
@@OCSHORTZ Kinda what I was thinking. I was curious if you were able to do FOIA requests before you live in the UK.
Great stuff. 👍
Thank you Richard
I love your work
Thank you Zane
Looks like someone trapped Bill Rosensohn in a tanning bed. 👍🍻
Great chapter Jimmie Whiskers. As a Part 2 maybe delve into the fight between Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali. That fight always carried the stigma of a "fix". Liston was "knocked out' by a punch that many viewers said never touched him. Liston was connected to some Las Vegas boys and died a mysterious death in Vegas. Please , please look into this fight
I feel that this has been covered numerous times. I've read some good books on Liston - Ali too.
Tommy Eboli acted as Vincent Gigante's manager during his brief boxing career. The two of them also participated in the failed hit on Frank Costello: Gigante - shooter; Eboli - driver. Mob has been involved in boxing ever since $ could be made gambling on it...
Indeed he did. Eboli once jumped into the ring and attacked a referee
Crazy how much power Tony had way before the 1980s when he was "boss"
I've watched the Patterson -Johansson trilogy numerous times over the years and Floyd was not drugged in that first fight. And he definitely wasn't drugged against Liston just scared to death
Do you have definitive proof he wasn't drugged? I'm not an expert on boxing. Just sharing the Fbi file based on informant information, which of course doesn't mean its correct.
@@OCSHORTZ not definite proof but like I said I’ve watched those 3 fights probably 10-15 times in my life and it went pretty much the same only with Patterson losing the 1st fight. Ingemar Johansson had a very hard right and won by a legit surprise KO. If you watch the other two fights of the trilogy Floyd gets dropped several times only to come back and score the KO. Now some people do claim that that if Johansson won the 2nd fight Rocky Marciano would have came out of retirement to face him and Rocky’s manager Al Weill was very connected to Frankie Carbo
@@OCSHORTZ Johansson was unknown to the American fans and most fighters. The 1st Patterson fight was his first in America. He had beaten n old Eddie Machen to get the shot and definitely pullled off an upset. Floyd Patterson was pretty chinny so looking back it’s not a surprise he was knocked out in that 1st and then destroyed by Liston twice
@@OCSHORTZ in the future Cus D’Amato was very fearful of mob involvement in his fighters careers and lectured Tyson on the evils of boxing. Because of the way he seemed to genuinely care for his fighters like Tyson, Jose Torres and Patterson I truly don’t believe he would be involved in drugging one
I don't think Paterson was drugged. Wladimir Klitschko was, tho, in the first fight with Brewster. Boxing is crookeder than ever.
OC - Great videos but r u sure that Johanssen got nothing at all when he beat Paterson? I find that hard to believe. He had his whole country behind him if he said anything.
How old was cus when with Tyson 70_80?
ANOTHER GOOD ONE MOE…
Thank you.
Imagine not getting any money for a pro fight let alone the world title fight smh
The corruption was horrendous.
Nickname question. Would anyone call Salerno 'Fat Tony' in his presence? If someone did, what would be the consequences?
No, but there is a story where Salerno is heard telling Tony Corallo that some younger mobster once did. He wasn't angry just moaning about the young generation.
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Nightmare pal. Hope you enjoyed the video
@@OCSHORTZ standing in the pissing rain bro could not have been happier now back to reality 🤣🤣🤣🤣
There is also a rumour that Frankie Carbo was the actual triggerman in the hit on Bugsy Seigel....I wonder.....
I believe Frankie Carbo is the Tommy Como Character in Raging Bull played by Nicholas Colasanto from the Television Series Cheers. Thanks
That was my understanding too - regarding Raging Bull
OG SHORTZ!!
Phenomenal
Thank you.
You forgot my Uncle Frank. Frank "Blinky" Palermo who was Carbo's right hand man. Blinky was a good friend of my grandfather's and he didnt have any kids so he would call/treat me and my older bro his nephew and we would call him Uncle Frank. We arent Italian but that is an Italian American thing and my grandfather knew Blinky plus other very well known mobsters most from Philly because my grandfather was head of the Philadelphia Building Trades. Back then in the 70s-1990s the Unions in Philly were almost like their own OC family especially the Roofers Union who my grandfather knew the higher ups and rank and file very well. They eventually caught a RICO indictment from the FEDS the Roofers in the mid to late 1980s. Blinky was also very close to Angelo Bruno according to Pennsylvania Crime and New Jersey Crime commission books i have I read from the 70s,80s and 90s.
I have covered him in a previous video Ryan. Fascinating character.
Another knockout episode!
Nice pun!
Boxing is still corrupt today.
I still think Marciano,s plane crash is iffy knowing what we know now about who was controlling boxing , him and future contenders etc - def more to that imho
Its crazy to think about all the mob either had a hand in or controlled all them years,even to this day they still have hands in so much
Not anymore
There is no way that Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) was not tainted by Mafia influence. The Mafia reach into sports back then, especially in boxing, was huge.
I don't think he was. He was too much his own man. He told the us government to kiss his ass
Many of Clay's fights were fixed.
Do u think Herbie sperling was a drug deal or had something to do with heroine??
Herbie was always the middle man on the chain he was a huge dealer
Herbie admitted he was a drug dealer an he was huge in drugs
@@VitoDonatucci.jr.215ton.y2 ended up bringing his sons down also
Another great story
Thank you Joe.
Fat Tony would later become the "front man" for Vincent "the Chin" Gigante. "Chin" himself was a former pro boxer having been in about twenty something bouts. The Chin must have covered his tracks very well in the later years, it is amazing how his name isn't mention in the post 1960s years in fixing fights. Most of the above fixers are members of the Genovese family, so when the likes of Frankie Carbo and other top leaders of that family died it seems ex boxer Gigante would have certainly gotten his hands a little dirty with Tony Fats still around. I wonder if there are indeed FBI files on the Chin and fixing prize fights in the later years?
I’ve always felt that “front boss” was the wrong phrase. Salerno was a significant power in his own right.
The real reason he was called the chin.he had a glass jaw.a reliable source.
@@georgegentile4788 that is incorrect. It was an affection name given to him by his mother. His name was Vincenzo and his mother called Chinzeeno - this came from his brother Louis.
@@OCSHORTZ hello my friend,a gentleman from my village ran booze with Mauro Manna, Bobby's father .saw vincenzo in the ring .told me this nearly 50yrs ago.he'd kill ya in the locker room but Marcus of Queensbury couldn't protect his jaw.have a great weekend
@@georgegentile4788 I have heard that too, but it isn't the origin of his name. Merely a coincidence. People often call him "the Chin" when in fact it was originally and more accurately just "Chin" due to the reason I have above.
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James D. Norris was President Of International Boxing club. This was the main group that arranged fights. My father told me he was crooked. Patterson had a glass chin-he did not lose on purpose. There were 2 rematches & Floyd won both-legitimately. Liston legitimately destroyed Floyd, then threw a couple fights to Ali. IMO the Vegas mob murdered Sonny.
The informant isn't saying Patterson lost on purpose, but that he was drugged without Patterson''s knowledge.
@@OCSHORTZ They got Raging Bull -Jake LaMotta to throw a fight or 2.
Poor boxers of those days took beatings for peanuts back then, the mob took it all.
Frankie Carbo was the killer of Bugsy Siegal allegedly
That's my understanding.
Welp, Al Hayman runs Boxing now👍🏿
Great information keep up the great content.
Thank you, Mark.
I coulda been a contenda.
Those "heavyweights" look like middlweights
Liston was far too powerful for Patterson anyway so I don't see why they wouldn't bet on him. Patterson was smaller and significantly softer than Liston was.
Liston was a beast. But the mob was definitely involved in his career.
@@OCSHORTZ Yes, check out the "none punch" theory that Ali delivered to defeat Liston
@@rf3495 I'm more than familiar with that
@@rf3495 I believe it was called "the phantom punch"
Liston took a dive against Ali…..common knowledge
Yep. Everyone knows that. Hence Ali in the famous photo yelling at him.
They definitely had a hand in boxing. Ali the only one to turn them down.
Ali has the NOI (Nation of Islam) behind him and was ready to go toe to toe!
Charlie your my brother you shoulda looked out for me
I coulda been a contender I coulda been someone instead of a bum....which is what I am
😂😂 this is why I always laugh when people bring up Rocky Marciano being one of the best boxers. It’s laughable
I have heard rumors of fixes regarding Marciano fights too. Does makes you wonder