The home-writable CDs involve alteration of a dye layer, and were never intended for long-term storage. That's in contrast to a manufactured music CD, whereas the pits and lands are pressed into the reflective layer.
Before even watching I'll make a quick comment - properly stored, high quality CD/DVD/BR discs can easily last decades as off-line storage. I have still working CD-R's from the early 90's that were used for drive backups, same for DVD's from the 00's. And I have no reason to believe my current batch of BR backups will not last just as long.
@@amitghosh6966Taiyo Yuden dvd is the only way to go. M-Disks are wonderful but insanely expensive. The aforementioned platform is a high quality archive disc with strict quality control measures to ensure any contamination is limited, if not eliminated. As long as the disc is burned correctly and stored correctly, it will read data for hundreds of years. This video is hogwash. Nothing eats data from a disc. I have personally done stress tests on different discs. I find the cheap store bought running the mill DVD’s do lose data when exposed to extreme temperatures, moisture and sunlight. But the higher quality discs once dried out will read every time. They’ll be good for a lifetime. And once your dead, it’s go to the next generation to figure out how to move that shit to another medium.
While I agree that long term data storage is a serious issue, I think the comment about a stone inscription lasting 10,000 years to be a bit disingenuous. It may last that long if there are no earthquakes, strong winds, water running over it, tree roots tearing up the stone or defacement by enemies.
imagine writing some history of our society on stones and human 9,999 years later be like: Now we are looking at this piece of artefact. Ancient humans believe there's one of the gods, EloM are capable to fly around earth in the blink of eye and is believe to have had conquer Mars. Elom was worshipped as god of flying and wealth. The believers would paint his name on their carriage to pray for safe transportation...
I don't know what's going on, but I never made this comment, I never even saw this video. Can anyone suggest how I can check if I've been hacked on you tube?
Just keep copies of your valuable information on multiple disks, usbs, hdd's, sd cards etc... Keep them in a cool, dark, proper temp room and you can even go the extra step and write the md5 checksum of a file and how many bytes so you can find out if the files changed in any way (write it on a piece of paper)
I have disks from 2008 and they still work, they are DVD-R. CD-R thhe layer is on the top side and gets micro holes even inside the case. Do you want proof of this? Hold the CD-R and point it at the ceiling light you will see the holes. DVDs are brand quality dependent, so the bad quality ones the record layer will get stains and data will be lost on these stains, this occurs around the disk edges.
I Guess that's Why some servers were using backup cassette tapes My Dad has audio tapes from 30 years ago and there still not too Bad the Good Old tape might be the best option😊
solar flare could destroy anything that connects to electrical wire or is magnetic, our planet is not 100% safe from it, there's a believe that next major solar flare event could happen and strike us in around two years
Learned this the hard way, I have hdd that has a bunch of child photos and videos that is now corrupted and lost anything. Its a 15 year old hdd that work until 2020. At one point I was able to open it but forgot to get all the files off now it won't even open the main partition.
Modern CD players have error correction. Also, they want to store stuff for hundreds of years, not a few. Also, the process for CD-R/DVD-R use organic inks (which degrade), and not pressed foils
thank you for the comment, I will look it up I am worry about solar flare hitting us. I need something that don't rely on magnetic and not constantly wire to electric components
Yeah until you scratch it or it falls or something gets stuck to it. All video games are blurays since 2010 and I had plenty game disc go bad. Most data is good if stored properly and will last for very long but all are fragile and are prone to just going bad because of un proper storage.
@@eronic404 Nope. You can scratch M disc with sandpaper. Conduct a few UA-cam searches. They can be dropped, frozen and liquid nitrogen and heated it up. If you deliberately bend them, that’s virtually the only way to break them.
Here is a couple of problems though. Many , if not most devices like computers, cell phones, etc., all use flash memory to store firmware so they can boot up, or operate. Flash may only last up to 20 years. The discs may last a thousand years, but what about the readable drives? Even if you stored a laptop , and/or DVD drive with them, you may not have a machine in the future which can read them. When was the last time you heard of a 78 RPM phonograph player being manufactured, for example?
@@knerduno5942 that’s a very good point. The good news is, there are still some working phonographs. And all you need is one machine to read thousands of discs. With so many people using discs for so long, and with disc readers being such a relatively simple technology, I think it’s reasonable that we will have at least one optical disc reader, to read all the discs that are left over on earth
What a pile of hogwash and clickbait. I can respond in several ways: 1. In the broad perspective, digital storage media are not developed with the expectation of lasting for millennia. That doesn't mean they couldn't be. It's just not the priority right now. At present we need to get costs down, capacity up, and more reliability. This is not some dark conspiracy, or some siren song of fake progress. It's perfectly rational. You just need to understand the parameters you're dealing with. 2. Digital data can be backed up and preserved, far outlasting the original media. This is very easy by now, and easier all the time. Media lifetime matters, but less than human carelessness. 3. My own experience disagrees greatly from the claims made in these interviews. Yes, I have seen defective discs. As said in the video, these generally appear in the first year or few years, and BTW they're usually evident just looking at them. The rest last a long time. It's not 15%. I doubt it's over 1%. Those talking heads in the video should stop buying crappy discs. 4. I started burning CD-Rs in 1998, burning maybe as many as 2000, until 2011, when I went to USB hard drives and flash drives for archival. Not once have I seen a clear case of age-related data loss, except for those few defective discs. 4. For archival storage, you really need to verify your data. The OS SHOULD do that for you as you copy, but in my experience you can get burned. Use some kind of checksum tools, and do it consistently. A PITA, but well worth it. 5. Longevity of flash drives is still TBD, but I'm not worried. Again, keep refreshing your data, and using those checksums, and you can sleep well. 6. Long-term readability of data formats is the real worry. Going from discs and tapes, which, face it, were a real PITA, to solid state and USB, restores quite a bit of sanity. Geeks just love to come up with new formats, but at least now it's basically just file formats, not media formats, and it's easier to maintain control over what file formats you use.
The home-writable CDs involve alteration of a dye layer, and were never intended for long-term storage. That's in contrast to a manufactured music CD, whereas the pits and lands are pressed into the reflective layer.
Before even watching I'll make a quick comment - properly stored, high quality CD/DVD/BR discs can easily last decades as off-line storage. I have still working CD-R's from the early 90's that were used for drive backups, same for DVD's from the 00's. And I have no reason to believe my current batch of BR backups will not last just as long.
Which brand is better?
@@amitghosh6966 Yes, I also want to know.
I think M-DISC
@@amitghosh6966 M-Disc is the current top of the pile for quality, but you pay for what you get...
@@amitghosh6966Taiyo Yuden dvd is the only way to go. M-Disks are wonderful but insanely expensive. The aforementioned platform is a high quality archive disc with strict quality control measures to ensure any contamination is limited, if not eliminated. As long as the disc is burned correctly and stored correctly, it will read data for hundreds of years. This video is hogwash. Nothing eats data from a disc. I have personally done stress tests on different discs. I find the cheap store bought running the mill DVD’s do lose data when exposed to extreme temperatures, moisture and sunlight. But the higher quality discs once dried out will read every time. They’ll be good for a lifetime. And once your dead, it’s go to the next generation to figure out how to move that shit to another medium.
While I agree that long term data storage is a serious issue, I think the comment about a stone inscription lasting 10,000 years to be a bit disingenuous. It may last that long if there are no earthquakes, strong winds, water running over it, tree roots tearing up the stone or defacement by enemies.
imagine writing some history of our society on stones and human 9,999 years later be like:
Now we are looking at this piece of artefact. Ancient humans believe there's one of the gods, EloM are capable to fly around earth in the blink of eye and is believe to have had conquer Mars. Elom was worshipped as god of flying and wealth. The believers would paint his name on their carriage to pray for safe transportation...
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That's why he said AVERAGE duh
I don't know what's going on, but I never made this comment, I never even saw this video. Can anyone suggest how I can check if I've been hacked on you tube?
@@d14551 no idea. Try contacting support.
Wow! Nice vídeo!!! Congrats!
Great video 👍
Just keep copies of your valuable information on multiple disks, usbs, hdd's, sd cards etc... Keep them in a cool, dark, proper temp room and you can even go the extra step and write the md5 checksum of a file and how many bytes so you can find out if the files changed in any way (write it on a piece of paper)
Now that’s very smart
Nice sharing
MDiscs is where I think I have my bytes nowadays.
Fantastic video. Is there a part 2?
Misinformation is all it is.
I have disks from 2008 and they still work, they are DVD-R.
CD-R thhe layer is on the top side and gets micro holes even inside the case.
Do you want proof of this? Hold the CD-R and point it at the ceiling light you will see the holes.
DVDs are brand quality dependent, so the bad quality ones the record layer will get stains and data will be lost on these stains, this occurs around the disk edges.
What will happen to Voyager 1 and 2?
CDs can be very reliable if stored properly. Just get good ones and store them properly and good luck to you!
Thats why tapes are great
I Guess that's Why some servers were using backup cassette tapes My Dad has audio tapes from 30 years ago and there still not too Bad the Good Old tape might be the best option😊
Hardrives are a good choice if they are stored in a safe place
solar flare could destroy anything that connects to electrical wire or is magnetic, our planet is not 100% safe from it, there's a believe that next major solar flare event could happen and strike us in around two years
Learned this the hard way, I have hdd that has a bunch of child photos and videos that is now corrupted and lost anything. Its a 15 year old hdd that work until 2020. At one point I was able to open it but forgot to get all the files off now it won't even open the main partition.
@@eronic404 Seems M-Disc is the way to go now as the storage layer is made from a stone like medium instead of ink
@@eronic404 You can try send it to a recovery company, maybe they can recovery it.
@@JohnUsp I heard that cost thousands, which I don't have at the moment.
I have a lot of CD
I buy some 1984 and still fine so I don't know what this guy's talking about
How did you store them? Becuase that's great
@@eronic404 My garage
Modern CD players have error correction. Also, they want to store stuff for hundreds of years, not a few. Also, the process for CD-R/DVD-R use organic inks (which degrade), and not pressed foils
Do backups before them fail.
@@JohnUsp Of course I make the backup
Right now I try to make a backup from the backup
Because my hard drives broken too
That is 100,000 cycles for MLC. You will NOT get that from QLC!!
I'll print my data in bits on paper , zeroes and ones
what about video 😊 and also photo near 15k or 1k and also arrangement it's create difficult when we need to search
M Disc is the answer. Look it up. A blu-ray M Disc can store 25-100 gigabytes for up to 1,000 years affordably
thank you for the comment, I will look it up
I am worry about solar flare hitting us. I need something that don't rely on magnetic and not constantly wire to electric components
Yeah until you scratch it or it falls or something gets stuck to it. All video games are blurays since 2010 and I had plenty game disc go bad. Most data is good if stored properly and will last for very long but all are fragile and are prone to just going bad because of un proper storage.
@@eronic404 Nope. You can scratch M disc with sandpaper. Conduct a few UA-cam searches. They can be dropped, frozen and liquid nitrogen and heated it up. If you deliberately bend them, that’s virtually the only way to break them.
Here is a couple of problems though. Many , if not most devices like computers, cell phones, etc., all use flash memory to store firmware so they can boot up, or operate. Flash may only last up to 20 years. The discs may last a thousand years, but what about the readable drives? Even if you stored a laptop , and/or DVD drive with them, you may not have a machine in the future which can read them. When was the last time you heard of a 78 RPM phonograph player being manufactured, for example?
@@knerduno5942 that’s a very good point. The good news is, there are still some working phonographs. And all you need is one machine to read thousands of discs. With so many people using discs for so long, and with disc readers being such a relatively simple technology, I think it’s reasonable that we will have at least one optical disc reader, to read all the discs that are left over on earth
What kind of medium is then actually be reliable for storing Precious Memories for Longer time say, 30 years or more?
HDD is the best we have at this moment, of course, make backups in another HDD and also in the cloud.
@@JohnUsp FAKE. LTO tape and Mdiscs are much much much better than HDD for long term storage
@@tiziocaio8657 HDD is accessible to each backup updates and it's very safe. Do you have a LTO? nobody use that.
@@JohnUsp Businesses all use LTO.
@@butmunchass yeah, LTO is good for Archiving, but backup/syncs, I guess is the HDD.
Don't watch the video: M Disc it's the solution!
How can the quality of dots and dashes become worse?
Dots and dashes are more like peaks and valleys- if the peaks become valleys, your data is gone
HDD is the best we have at this moment, of course, make backups in another HDD and also in the cloud.
LTO tape is better
@@tiziocaio8657 Yep but consumers can't use it.
@@butmunchass they can, the drive it’s really expensive, but except the cost it’s not that hard to use
LOL, HDDs? Are you high, friend?
@@-Perene you can use Tapes, just need to spend a LOT of money for the driver. SSDs cannot hold data longer. What do you suggest?
Many people are getting tattoos
What a pile of hogwash and clickbait. I can respond in several ways:
1. In the broad perspective, digital storage media are not developed with the expectation of lasting for millennia. That doesn't mean they couldn't be. It's just not the priority right now. At present we need to get costs down, capacity up, and more reliability. This is not some dark conspiracy, or some siren song of fake progress. It's perfectly rational. You just need to understand the parameters you're dealing with.
2. Digital data can be backed up and preserved, far outlasting the original media. This is very easy by now, and easier all the time. Media lifetime matters, but less than human carelessness.
3. My own experience disagrees greatly from the claims made in these interviews. Yes, I have seen defective discs. As said in the video, these generally appear in the first year or few years, and BTW they're usually evident just looking at them. The rest last a long time. It's not 15%. I doubt it's over 1%. Those talking heads in the video should stop buying crappy discs.
4. I started burning CD-Rs in 1998, burning maybe as many as 2000, until 2011, when I went to USB hard drives and flash drives for archival. Not once have I seen a clear case of age-related data loss, except for those few defective discs.
4. For archival storage, you really need to verify your data. The OS SHOULD do that for you as you copy, but in my experience you can get burned. Use some kind of checksum tools, and do it consistently. A PITA, but well worth it.
5. Longevity of flash drives is still TBD, but I'm not worried. Again, keep refreshing your data, and using those checksums, and you can sleep well.
6. Long-term readability of data formats is the real worry. Going from discs and tapes, which, face it, were a real PITA, to solid state and USB, restores quite a bit of sanity. Geeks just love to come up with new formats, but at least now it's basically just file formats, not media formats, and it's easier to maintain control over what file formats you use.