iDubbbz: A Content Cop Retrospective (by a Black Girl)

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  • Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
  • We are going to travel back in time today, dear viewers, and retroactively scrutinize the notorious UA-cam phenomenon, Content Cop-a series by an equally notorious creator, iDubbbz. We will postulate on the persistent questions revolving around a white man’s use of the “N-word” as well as…is iDubbbz r@cist?
    Other Required Reading:
    Why Conversations Stop at Liberalism: • Why Conversations Stop...
    Thanks, ‪@MikasRhetoric‬ for the video idea!
    • I Watched All of the C...
    Sources:
    liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/w...
    liberalarts.oregonstate.edu/u...
    www.senate.gov/civics/constit....
    www.lhsdoi.com/21094/features...
    medermislaserclinic.com/blog/...
    www.ijscl.net/article_32639_ca...
    www.lhsdoi.com/21094/features....
    www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/ci....
    www.senate.gov/civics/constit....
    / is_idubbbz_liberal_or_...
    support.google.com/youtube/an...
    www.eeoc.gov/harassment#:~:te....
    support.google.com/youtube/an...
    Historical References:
    www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...
    www.mountvernon.org/library/d...
    www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1p...
    www.facinghistory.org/resourc...
    vincenttriola.com/blogs/ten-y...
    www.bl.uk/collection-items/th....
    Systematic Classicism, Systematic Racism
    cpilj.law.uconn.edu/wp-conten...
    Have video ideas or suggestions? Email me!
    unpoeticjusticecontact@gmail.com
    Video Chapters
    0:00 Introduction
    3:31 Misremembrance of Content
    11:43 Lasting Effects on the Platform: "Bullying" as a Content-Style
    26:19 Use of Stigmatized and/or Racialized Language: Building the Content Cop's Perspective
    35:49 Use of Stigmatized and/or Racialized Language: Deconstructing the N-Word
    51:47 Is iDubbbz R@cist?
    55:24 Are iDubbbz's Content Cops Actually Satirical?
    59:14 Conclusion
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  • @jimmtl9736
    @jimmtl9736 Рік тому +45

    I’m a white guy here so I understand that I’ll never know how it truly feels to hear the n-word and it being referred to me.
    That being said, the Tana vid still to this day makes a lot of sense to me, so I personally disagree with the points made during that section. If 35:50 - 46:59 is really what goes through your mind when you hear that word. Like Ian says, it’ll only be more hurtful if the word is suppressed more. I believe that the argument of ‘‘it’s either all okay, or none of it is okay’’ still holds up to this day and for any oppressed minorities. I understand that the n-word refers to a time where black people weren’t considered people, but there are a lot of other examples of that too in history with women, mexicans, asians etc. so slurs referring to those people shouldn’t be discounted because the history of the n-word can be considered more impactful.
    Still just because we might disagree, doesn’t make this analysis any less interesting :) liked and subbed! That hour flew by honestly.

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +134

      Hey! Thank you for your kind comment! I'm going to pin it because I feel like these are common opposing opinions, and I really appreciate the way you approached it. I'm glad to have you; I don't encourage echo-chambers so I welcome dissenting opinions.
      I didn't really want to speak on slurs that goes towards other communities of people because I'm admittedly unfamiliar with the history behind some, but I am familiar with the systematic roots of the N-word so I do agree that other slurs may carry the same weight. However, I do believe there's a distinction between a slur just being a "slur", as in something meant to verbally insult/disrespect a particular group, and a slur that carries systematic power. And I do believe the N-word is more so the latter than the former, but at the same time I'm also not saying other slurs don't meet that very same criteria.
      Ian's arguments do make sense, I just respectfully believe they lack sustenance and weren't fully formed at the time. While saying something over and over again does tend to lessen a word's root meaning (like "literally" with Leafy, haha), I haven't seen any evidence showing that for the N-word particularly. In one of the predominantly white areas I've lived in, the N-word, without the hard-R, was thrown around by everyone, including white and Hispanic people. Even then, I observed that many black people still looked mildly taken aback when hearing it, even when it's not meant in a racist or discriminatory manner. So, if the group of people a slur is historically supposed to harm widely has reservations with those who were never affected by it, using it frequently, is the power of the slur really lessened? Or is the group of people affected just being silenced again and told to accept what majority is telling them? Just a different perspective.
      Lastly, for the "All or Nothing" logic, I feel like it can be easily misconstrued by being levied against black people who choose to use variations of the N-word in their everyday vernacular, which is why I said the logic disregards nuance. I'm pretty 'ight with communities "taking back" their slurs.
      In real world application, I probably wouldn't tell anyone "don't use that word"; I'll just request for you not to use the word around me or towards me. It's about setting up our own personal boundaries, and I've never had anyone refute me on doing so.
      Again, thank you for your comment and I'm glad you heard me out ❤

    • @jimmtl9736
      @jimmtl9736 Рік тому +45

      @@UnpoeticJustice Honestly you're right. Black people shouldn't have to accept that "it is what it is" and not fight back if something makes them feel very hurt.
      I guess there needs to be effort put on both sides, bad people can and will use that word to harm people that are offended by it. So those people that find the word offensive can't let their guard down completely and expect no one to ever use it, because it'll hurt them that much more when it is used.
      On the other hand people like me need to be more conscious about the fact that n-word holds a lot of power to many people and we should trust them and accept it when they ask us not to use it. I'll never truly know how it feels to be personally hurt and offended by that word, so all the more reason to respect those that are impacted by its use.
      I appreciate you too ❤️ I fully agree this is much more interesting than a subreddit echo chamber.. literally.
      Btw! Something else I'd like your input on: When people refer to you as African American instead of black, is there one you prefer and/or one you don't tolerate? Or is there another term you prefer?

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +72

      @@jimmtl9736 That's all we can ever ask: just take people as they come, see them as individuals and recognize that none of us have all of the answers. Personally, I prefer black, rather than African American. I don't know if I have a philosophical answer behind it necessarily lol I do feel like the term "black" is more sprawling and connective than "African American" though. I have friends who are Caribbean, afro-Latino and English that all refer to themselves as "black" at some points because, even though I am apart of none of those ethnic groups, we tend to experience the Western world in similar manners so it becomes apart of a collective experience to some extent, and that's where the "black experience" comes into play

    • @jimmtl9736
      @jimmtl9736 Рік тому +15

      @@UnpoeticJustice Interesting! I always found it a little goofy personally because of how often African Americans aren't even African (or American sometimes lmao). Have a great day!

    • @traitorous5626
      @traitorous5626 Рік тому +67

      well thought out respectful disagreements online? wtf is this?

  • @Jordarr8994
    @Jordarr8994 Рік тому +92

    The effect of Idubbz publishing his opinion on the n-word made being black on the internet.... very interesting in 2016 to say the least

  • @niabekrazy6905
    @niabekrazy6905 Рік тому +67

    I’m so glad you made this! As a black girl who also watched iDubbz and people like him back then. It was offensive and disappointing when he said the n word, and I soon stopped watching because I felt like I was in a space that wasn’t meant for me. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one! and that you could talk about it and eloquently explain the flaws in his and others arguments’ about the n word.

  • @Sabrinaaa36
    @Sabrinaaa36 Рік тому +38

    from the perspective of a white person who grew up severely lacking in education about race, i used to watch i dubbz and even then i knew saying the n word when you’re not black was not okay at all. i was very confused back then (and definitely still am) on why people were okay with him saying that, and didn’t enjoy watching him. now being more educated, im ultimately disgusted
    thank you for talking about this ❤

    • @pearlngozi2818
      @pearlngozi2818 Рік тому

      People will accept anything from a white man. It's really that simple. PewDiePie used the n word. He's totally fine.

  • @weeaboh
    @weeaboh Рік тому +59

    i found your channel through your video about overspeak and madisyn brown, and i got so excited when i saw this video because i think there is a LOT to talk about with this topic. The way you have these conversations is great because it opens actual dialogue instead of shutting people down and making them defensive. super respectable stuff.

  • @urbiologicalfather8787
    @urbiologicalfather8787 Рік тому +76

    Something was always so aggressively off putting about Ian so I consistently avoided his content, after your video I now get the vibe his persona is actually very close to his real life views/beliefs. If he was not a big UA-camr and I knew someone like him in real life, I'd worry he'd be the kind of person to harm people with how violent/threatening his verbiage can be. Lots of weird rage he got built up from being ugly probably.

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +32

      The aggression he spoke with in the Tana video kind of really hits the nail on the head with what you're saying. One of the questions I had was, "why is he so mad?" It was like he was waiting to unleash these thoughts and feelings on to someone

    • @Dim.g0v
      @Dim.g0v Місяць тому +1

      Let's not moralize ugliness

    • @Navaneeth-hv9sh
      @Navaneeth-hv9sh 49 хвилин тому

      ​@@Dim.g0vI never quite got the he's ugly part of the argument.ian looks pretty decent if you ask me
      Sure he couldn't really pull off a mustache but that's really about it.

  • @colinmiller6649
    @colinmiller6649 Рік тому +21

    God the amount of misogyny I still see towards Anisa is infuriating and frankly disgusting the way they discuss her OF and Ian

  • @partygirl589
    @partygirl589 Рік тому +26

    Thank you so much for this! I found this video after searching for commentary on idubbz from black creators. I'm sad that there were so few videos- but it seems like you had read my mind and I was excited to see one with a retrospective look (I also love Mika's channel).
    Last month I got into an argument with a YT creator I follow on twitch. They posted the video a few days ago and it made just as angry as I felt in the live chat. Ethan was urging people to forgive idubbz since Ian is a good person now yet titled his UA-cam video of the stream "Holding Creators Accountable" which I feel is not done at all other than by those of us in chat who tried to challenge Ethan's idea that simply saying you don't use slurs anymore is not deserving of forgiveness. You won't see too much of the argument in this edit sadly, as it seems like Ethan cut out all of the sensible replies asking how Ian has actually shown any accountability to earn forgiveness.
    ua-cam.com/video/ds-NTpO0qGA/v-deo.html
    As you review Ian's more recent content, I'll be following along to see how he has claimed to changed and whether his content reflects any of this change.

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +14

      Thank YOU for watching! Mika is a great creator, I was happy to stumble across her channel.
      But see, that's another conversation entirely, regarding the forgiveness of iDubbbz. I'm a bit of an outlier with UA-camr apologies because I don't particularly desire them, but to tell others that they SHOULD forgive him is a whole 'nother thing. Forgiveness is up to the individual, and that seems like overstepping on Ethan's part so I'll definitely check it out!

    • @partygirl589
      @partygirl589 Рік тому +3

      @@UnpoeticJustice It’s definitely a completely different topic that I think Ethan isn’t fully understanding the nuance of forgiveness. To me, it’s something to be earned but I have to admit I am not familiar with idubbz content at all. So that’s why I’m looking forward to you reviewing his recent content in future parts of this discussion.
      I’m planning on watching the rest of your content too! I’m glad I found your channel through this. I’m so sick of hot takes on UA-cam with no nuance. Video essays are more my style.

    • @mw7845
      @mw7845 Рік тому

      Haven’t watched h3 in a while but now I’m definitely unsubbing. And idk if feels so hypocritical of him since they talk about how they’ve experienced racism as Jewish people, and probably wouldn’t like to be told they SHOULD forgive their aggressors I dunno

  • @careggston8830
    @careggston8830 Рік тому +18

    Thank you for this video I feel so seen, growing up with the golden era was so hard to navigate. I am a black woman, when I was growing up with this stuff it left it's mark on me. I did not have boundaries in my personal life about non-black ppl saying the n-word around me because I was desensitized by these arguments of why they "can". I look back with some bitterness of how it impacted my upbringing. I dubbz was still someone I avoided watching back then. There were still subtle right wing UA-camrs I watched like PewDiePie. Now I realize that impact and how saying the n-word is not the only way to show alignment with bigotry. Additionally associations with people who say or do those things, because people are what they surround themselves with. I found flaws in my younger self saying "oh (non-black person) he doesn't say the nword, he just surrounds himself with non-black ppl who do". Safe to say I handle my interpersonal relationships a lot more carefully than I did when I was in high school. Appreciate your willingness to educate people as well, personally have grown tired of explaining myself and why I am hurt by slurs. People who are willing to speak out get us somewhere thank you.

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +3

      I sympathize with you so much, and I'm glad I was able to help out in some small way 🖤

  • @annelipietersen2287
    @annelipietersen2287 6 місяців тому +4

    It's a disgrace that your channel doesn't get more attention. You put so much effort into your research and arguments. I've been bingeing your content for a few days now

  • @simplycleva
    @simplycleva Рік тому +14

    Never watched iDubbz but always gonna support your videos.

  • @By_Ash_Away
    @By_Ash_Away Рік тому +14

    As someone who never watched idubbbz, this was wildly informative and also helps to add some context to the platform at the time. Thank you for all your work!

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @devonmunn5728
      @devonmunn5728 11 місяців тому

      I went through a anti-SJW phase but never watched him and im thankful i never did

  • @gilly_axolotl
    @gilly_axolotl Рік тому +6

    Huge respect that you didnt censor the slurs in the youtube age of 2023. I think experiencing the full uncomfortable impact from both the videos being analyzed and your repitition of them via analysis made this video feel much more serious and well-meaning amongst the flood of content creators saying seggs and unalived

  • @ryanisverycool
    @ryanisverycool Рік тому +15

    idubbz has been on my mind a lot recently, because one of my (very white) immediate family members has (or had, i havent heard his opinion on it in a couple years and he doesnt use them around me) a similar outlook on slurs as him. i had no room to speak on it as someone who was also white but it always made me so viscerally uncomfortable, even when he tried to use it with a positive tone. im trans autistic gay, and i dress alternatively, so i have a vague idea of what its like to have people be weird about your existence, but i cant imagine being socialized like that and never being able to mask it. with the current boogeyman of the media being trans people, kind of like how being racist was so normalized in that era, so i can empathize. sorry, rambling, but what im trying to say is that the next time questions me on slurs and why im so against them im gonna send them this (timestamped so they dont have to sit through the whole hour, though it is a great essay!). i dont use slurs, even ones i can reclaim, like the rslur, the fslur, and the tslur. i just think they dont have a place in our daily vocabulary and if i want to refer to my friends in a similar way ill say “homophobic slur” or “fslur” or something because, that honestly has way more comedic value to me than just saying the slur. sorry that was a long ramble but thank you so much for this!!! its a great video and the rest of your essays are great too, i cant wait to see what you make in the future.

  • @letopcat2618
    @letopcat2618 Рік тому +18

    This was really interesting and gives a whole perspective on the internet in that 2016 - 2017 era. The evolution of the opinions of the creators and their audience over time should really be studied and talked about. Great work!

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +7

      You'd be surprised by the amount of research papers that have already been done! I watched a PhD candidate discuss PewDiePie before. It's insane

    • @peppito8408
      @peppito8408 Рік тому +1

      @@UnpoeticJustice do you have the link for that video ? It sounds interesting.

  • @bubbletea_7557
    @bubbletea_7557 Рік тому +9

    Oh my god, I found your videos yesterday and I'm seriously obsessed 😍 I've watched all oof them now. Great job!

  • @sinceremoose
    @sinceremoose Рік тому +4

    Extremely excited by what you're interested in talking about, the history of this website we've been living on for +decade, and in how you talk about it, you seem incredibly researched and you present complex ideas in graspable clauses. Thank you for this rad video

  • @Sabrinaaa36
    @Sabrinaaa36 Рік тому +9

    you’re much more patient in terms of reacting to non black people using the n word. personally if someone said that around me id start swinging and i’m not even black

  • @rinesserin
    @rinesserin Рік тому +8

    I can really feel the work you put into this one! Looking forward to the deep dive

  • @haileys5224
    @haileys5224 Рік тому +2

    I really enjoy Mika. Glad I found your channel!

  • @heatherlee2047
    @heatherlee2047 Рік тому +4

    Thank you for working hard on another long video!

  • @JaceReboot
    @JaceReboot 6 місяців тому +3

    Not Black myself but mixed Native and a queer trans, so like got a sack of slurs I’ve experienced myself. And well I will totally use some of these words in a self directed manner or among peers who have also had said slur thrown like a rock at them, I don’t really appreciate it when outsiders try to come and play with our rocks. Those rocks were used to bludgeon us in past, we have every reason to pick em up and polish em off to store in our own pocket. Yknow where we can decide how when or even if they get tossed again. We keep em close so they can’t be gathered behind our backs and used to attack us again and again and again. Basically if ya ain’t been on the impact end then fuck off and leave our rocks alone…
    Oh and random aside, if one Black buddy gives ya an “N” pass then it only applies to that one buddy. No one Black person speaks for all of Black society anymore than one singular gay can speak for all queerdom… like we don’t have minority elections when we pick King or Queen Black, Gay, immigrant ect 😅

  • @sagepeeters3068
    @sagepeeters3068 6 місяців тому

    Your channel is so underrated!!! Love ya

  • @ThemedNumber02
    @ThemedNumber02 3 місяці тому

    how haven’t i found your channel before! your videos are a treasure trove!! omg i cannot believe you haven’t blown up yet

  • @jenlang19
    @jenlang19 6 місяців тому

    Great video yet again!! Your very good at getting your thoughts and ideas known in a way that is engaging. I think that your right that we need to be able to have conversations with each other instead of gate keeping them between the said minority of that issue. Being able to have open conversations with each other where we can ask each other questions as to why one thing may be upsetting or important to other groups we don't fully understand respectfully but without fear is the only way true change will come about. Thank you for your incredible videos...I think videos like these should be mandatory learning in schools ..with open discussions afterwords..I love your channel..I love what you do:)

  • @subscorpion0118
    @subscorpion0118 Рік тому +4

    Phenomenal video, well done

  • @GabrielTheMagolorMain
    @GabrielTheMagolorMain 10 місяців тому

    I’ve been been watching your videos this morning, enjoying your perspective, thinking about what an intelligent, insightful, easy to listen to commentator you are, and now boom your sub count is in my face. I assumed it was so much higher. This makes me feel extremely frustrated for you, and the stupid algorithm. And I was subbed to you already, but I didn’t find you again until your Quentin Reviews video (his video was also on my feed until I finally watched it). There’s so many UA-cam channels I get it’s hard for them all to get the space they deserve, and I’m terrible at remembering channel names. But this is the kind of content I want to see, not drama channels, thoughtful discussions and critiques of internet culture and society. I wish you lots of success.
    My thoughts on idubbz..I didn’t watch most of his content, it’s never been my thing. I did appreciate his apology because I believe that he means it. It’s been interesting (and discouraging I imagine for some that feel the same as him) to see how much he’s been attacked for changing his stance. People grow and change, well some people. I do think he normalized hateful language and made it “cool” for his followers to perpetuate it. I don’t condone any of the racist remarks, I wanted to add additional comments on the ableism. I do think he helped normalize using autistic as a slur, and I hate that. Being autistic is not an insult, and there’s a subset of people out there that have this warped view on autism because of internet gaming culture. Things are getting better for autistic people in public discussions (like we are allowed to exist, which should never have been hard to understand, we don’t need to feel ashamed or feel like a burden simply because our brains see the world differently), but using a diagnosis, using our literal identity, and trying to make that a slur is just bad form and shows ignorance and a lack of intelligence. I’m not angry idubbz didn’t speak to this population specifically in his apology, I don’t think he’d reach the people that really need to hear it anyway, but I did want to say that. I was raised (and am still being raised) to be proud of being autistic, that I have a right to be autistic, and part of that language my mom repeated to me was specifically because she saw autism being used distastefully on the internet and she was worried about how I would feel when I came across it one day. It’s sad she even had to do that, or that black families have to teach their kids something similar, both families have to teach us about police culture and it goes on and on. I wish it wasn’t the case, but I’d rather have idubbz growing than continuing what he was doing. Essentially he “woke up,” which I believe is what the whole idea of woke is, when that’s not being weaponized.
    Thanks again, especially if anyone read this far, sorry so long!

  • @samrindfuss
    @samrindfuss Рік тому

    love your channel and your deep dives, thanks for making this content!!

  • @s.s.6661
    @s.s.6661 2 місяці тому

    Wow, this video taught me a lot! Thanks, genuinely.

  • @rainbownerladybounce
    @rainbownerladybounce Рік тому +2

    Your channel is wildly undersubbed!
    The way you express your commentary sucks me into the video so quickly. I hope you're recommended in the algorithm consistently and more people get eyes on you. I'm 100% sure your channel will blowup if more people see how good these video are!
    Anyway, thank you for creating interesting and intellectually stimulating content. I appreciate hearing your perspective on this, and other topics. :)

  • @val5431
    @val5431 Рік тому

    wowww this was such an amazing video! you’re explanation of the n-word was really in-depth, I didn’t know abolitionism went so far back! its still a concept I been looking into the last year!
    I would definitely be interested in seeing deep dives about these subjects you mentioned. Remember to take care of yourself, these videos seem very long to construct!

  • @flipperdoodie9408
    @flipperdoodie9408 Рік тому +1

    This is an amazing video. You’re awesome dude

  • @AmyraCull
    @AmyraCull 6 місяців тому

    I am new here and very late but I absolutely love your channel sis! Immediate follow 💕

  • @lucarin8191
    @lucarin8191 Рік тому

    OMG I love your channel. My childhood was built off of iDubbbz so its interesting to see another previous fan analyze his content in a more logical and mature lense.

  • @xyz1087
    @xyz1087 Рік тому +3

    i love your channel. thank u for this video. i was 13 when idubbbz and filthyfrank were at the height of their fame, and i, being a white person from eastern europe with next to zero racial knowledge and sensitivity (for example I only found out now that not hiring people with tattoos has racists origins) absolutely bought idubbbz's reasoning. people who act like him saying n-slur f-g-ot was justified by being a joke are ridiculous. at least he addressed it unlike joji who acts like nothing ever happened...

  • @tyler1234321
    @tyler1234321 Рік тому +8

    Really liked this critique. As a straight white guy I'm obviously not taking direct offense from the N word. I personally choose not to use it because I know it can offend people. I feel like the logic of removing a words power by indiscriminately using it kinda makes sense though. There's lots of words through history that have used to be offensive. Maybe just not enough time has passed. If someone using it in an intended non offensive way can't change its meaning what can though. Is it just off limits for the rest of time? Idk that's why I ask.
    Edit: if someone called the black baby I'm fostering the n word and they weren't black I'd murder them.

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +10

      Thank you for your comment! I think that's an interesting question actually...I have no definitive answer, honestly lol I'd like to say that once impactful, systematic changes are put into place maybe the word's usage would become more prevalent, in a neutral sense. So, in essence, removing the systematic roots of the word by fixing the issues and lessening it to "only" an insulting slur, maybe that would enable for that change to happen. Buuuut, my faith in humanity is very limited lol For now, I'd just say keep doing what you're doing in respecting those who are around you, and keep uplifting that baby as you already are ❤

    • @tyler1234321
      @tyler1234321 Рік тому +3

      @Unpoetic Justice good advice! Thanks for your reply. We are currently playing dinosaurs before naptime so I'll just keep working toward a future without those systemic problems. Maybe he can live in a world someday where the word won't have the kind of impact it does now.

  • @lookatdemijipers
    @lookatdemijipers 5 місяців тому +1

    in today's youtube climate, it's almost shocking hearing a creator forego any chance of monetization to tackle these subjects

  • @Ahmonza
    @Ahmonza Рік тому +3

    is that a statue of baphomet on your bookself

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +4

      Indeed it is

    • @Ahmonza
      @Ahmonza Рік тому +2

      @@UnpoeticJustice baphomet aside. I do find it funny the lengths some none black folk go in order to find a reason to say nigga but with the hard ER. Though I'm glad he grew out of it. I've known two white dudes that used the word libraly. Years later I find out one guy is full on racist while the other was just trying to fit in whatever that means.

  • @venitalj
    @venitalj Рік тому +8

    First 🙌🏾 who needs structure. Hit me with the facts

  • @Palesmoke_jpg
    @Palesmoke_jpg 2 місяці тому

    You should do Kelly Stamps!

  • @cragnog
    @cragnog 2 місяці тому

    If you're ever gonna do the deep dives in dubzy and filthy Frank, I'm here for it!

  • @nirbanana013
    @nirbanana013 6 місяців тому +1

    omg ive been wanting someone to do a video like this, so glad i found it!!!!!
    re: was content cop satirical?
    honestly when i watched those videos as a teen the feeling of “satire” never came to mind, even as you were saying it in the video i was like, surprised?
    i agree that the language, delivery and skits are made to be very exaggerated and inappropriate but i always assumed he did believe the things he was saying, or at least were pointing towards a real opinion or criticism.
    Example from leafy content cop
    - Offensive and exaggerated statement: “btw guys i think bullying is fine” / the whole chin thing
    - Actual criticism: the hipocrisy or pathetic nature of someone who has built their career of being a bully and asshole, but is also very insecure and doesnt have the courage to own their actions (in short: a “pussy”)
    idk ive been thinking about this stuff since the apology video came out. i have more opinions about this, for now ill say thank u for talking about it now i can stop feeling like im insane

  • @lightblockmountain
    @lightblockmountain Рік тому +2

    I agree, I prefer UA-cam now - video essays r my preference

  • @onedirectioninfection5756
    @onedirectioninfection5756 Місяць тому

    do you still have plans to do a deep dive? i'm suuper interested

  • @kirbysleeping34
    @kirbysleeping34 6 місяців тому +2

    as a half-black-half-white i just determined that i can only say half of the n word
    lol i actually just don't say it at all tho

  • @scooterbooter
    @scooterbooter 2 місяці тому

    my jaw dropped when you said "ian's video in 2016" THIS WAS 2016???? holy shit. I was in grade 12 and it was NOT NORMAL for my peers to say the N word........ I thought this was all in like 2012 omg

  • @jermfanaccount
    @jermfanaccount 7 місяців тому

    as a non-black person i really appreciate that more people of colour are speaking up about Ian's old content and the effect it had and still has on them. there was and (unfortunately) are still so many loud fans of Ian defending him on this and pushing away black people who are rightfully upset that this went entirely unchecked, so i'm glad that this video exists to shed more light and to create a genuine conversation on what this type of content does to people. this video's really good and i think it's one of my favourite breakdowns of Ian's old content that i've seen on this site :)

  • @jeremyross9698
    @jeremyross9698 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm fine with black people saying the N-word. With white people, I agree that context matters. I won't say that uttering the word itself is okay, but there have been moments I have laughed. One was the very first episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. You know the moment I'm referring to. The funny part wasn't Charlie saying the n-word, but rather the fallout from him basically quoting a black gentleman from earlier who had used it in a different context without realizing how fucked up it was out of context. The other time I laughed was during a segment between Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor in a very early season of SNL where they were playing a word association game where Chase would say racist names for black people and Pryor clapping back with "honky" and then when Chase comes out with the n-word, Pryor comes back with "dead honky." And yes, I realize there is a layer of discomfort there knowing that Chase actually is a racist, but still. Hearing Pryor clap back at him was great. So it's not the word that makes me laugh, it's the joke built around it. Still, you have to be extremely gifted to pull this off, otherwise you come off as a cringe edgelord. And 99% of white dudes are not that gifted. In both of those instances I listed, it was acknowledged how fucked up the word was, which was what made them work.

  • @rando843
    @rando843 10 місяців тому

    Really enjoyed this vid. I'm not black (nor white, latina) and I grew up loving iDubbbz and his general bubble, pretty uncritically accepting anything they said. Being older now I understand that these were not informed takes and I never noticed first hand the insane damage they caused, in a way I suspect cuz I never really shared my identity online, and since I actually live in Latin America instead of the US, the chances to experience it were extremely low.
    Despite this, I still feel like a lot of criticism leveled their way by others is very dismissive and lacks nuance and is basically just "the guy who said the n-word on UA-cam? Yeah that was super Hitler I hope he dies" or some shit like that. I find it more constructive to engage with their mindset since as you mentioned they were not doing this out of downright malice or stupidity but rather naive and uninformed defiance, which unfortunately got WAY more attention than it deserved from people who WERE stupid and evil.

  • @scooterbooter
    @scooterbooter 2 місяці тому

    The argument that by not using the N word, we are "giving it the power that we so desperately don't want it to have" is so empty. We aren't saying that we wish the word held less power. We are saying "this word DOES hold power, so please don't use it unless you are a black person"
    It's so clear that they aren't even listening to the people that they are "arguing" against....

  • @joevibin3816
    @joevibin3816 7 місяців тому +1

    The N-Word is legit one of the laziest insults. Do better.

  • @stardoogalaxie9314
    @stardoogalaxie9314 6 місяців тому +2

    I get that you were using the other slurs for clarity's sake, but please don't say them again!

  • @Ahmonza
    @Ahmonza Рік тому +1

    dam i forgot how bad rice was. im still cringing.

  • @cloverST4R
    @cloverST4R Місяць тому

    i have some somewhat similar thoughts on pewdiepie, it's interesting to me when people immediately reel back in horror and condemn him in every state he has been in regardless of the growth and change he has gone through and the work he has done on himself to become a better person. yes, obviously supporting his 2016/17 content and standing behind it now is an...... interesting stance to take, and no one can truthfully say that his content has always been objectively good and funny etc etc, but not allowing people to change and forcing them into a caricature of who they used to be is i think is pretty telling of the outraged person's opinions on people as a whole. no one says you have to engage or like the content being made by these people today, but if we can't acknowledge the objective fact that it is possible for someone to change in a positive direction, what does that say about us? be your own example. if you can get better, so can other people.

  • @xyz1087
    @xyz1087 Рік тому

    also i don't think the content cops were ever satirical, i think those were the most honest vids he did. he said they were "satire" (of what? lol??) or "jokes" to deflect any criticism if he got it. like someone saying an honest opinion and following it with "but well, I'm not an expert, i don't really know, and it doesn't matter anyway" even thought they 100% mean what they say, they just fear reprocussion and want plausible deniability in my opinion

  • @tamarbeker1701
    @tamarbeker1701 Рік тому

    Honestly, i found this video to be very informative. No, i seriously mean it. Like, i obviously knew that the n-word was off-limits for white people, and i always kind of accepted the idea of "don't use the societally agreed-upon codename for "fuck black people"", since, y'know, it makes sense, but the segment about the history and meaning of the word honestly helped me to make more sense of the "why" part of all that, so... I guess, thank you.

  • @cheesybrik9073
    @cheesybrik9073 Рік тому +10

    I just wish you hadn’t used the t slur or r slur. :/

  • @spaghettibird5135
    @spaghettibird5135 7 місяців тому +2

    I don’t think it was cool for you to say all the slurs out loud tbh, the ones that don’t pertain to you I mean (ex “tr****”)

  • @violetrapture3776
    @violetrapture3776 2 місяці тому

    I was enjoying this video until the point you said some queer slurs. While I don't want to assume if you're cis or straight, it just really caught me off guard. If you aren't trans or queer yourself, I don't think you should have said those words as they're not yours to claim, even if it was just to say the words he's said, it doesn't make it ok. (Of course this is on the previous presumption, ignore if it doesn't apply)

  • @queens552
    @queens552 Рік тому

    I'm sorry

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +8

      ...is another derogatory term typically geared at black people that is not heavily used in modern times and does not hold the systematic power that the N-word does, in my opinion. What's the question here?

    • @queens552
      @queens552 Рік тому

      I have autism and schizophrenia I'm so so sorry this was very wrong I was having a episode that's no excuse I really hope I didn't hurt your feelings I understand that there is nothing to change what I said

  • @sullybriggs5803
    @sullybriggs5803 Рік тому +5

    wow. This is nothing. Ian as more then shown his actual character when it comes to people with his documentaries on varying oddities (This is coming from an active Jewish man who has been the butt of the jokes of many a joke even today)

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +32

      I didn't question his character.. Not yet anyways. But damn, man, I literally say in the last section that I don't have a fully formed opinion because I've never watched his new content. Your comment is telling that you just saw the person commentating on the Content Cops and just formed some type of conclusion without watching. I have video chapters if you don't want to sit through the entire thing. Maybe try skipping to "Is iDubbbz Racist?". Or don't, I have no preference lol

  • @CosmicZombeh
    @CosmicZombeh Рік тому +5

    LARPed as a comedian with a spine

    • @UnpoeticJustice
      @UnpoeticJustice  Рік тому +2

      I mean, he had some spine. For example, a lot of creators backed down from fighting with Keemstar during 2016-2017. They would make quips about him here and there, but rarely ever doubled down and composed an entire expose video like iDubbbz.