Before Watching Video: Here's Hoping it doesn't suck! Post Watch Necropsy: Muddy, bass heavy tuning. Bugs. No passthrough. Biggest fail is not being compatible with aftermarket straps. And I guarantee you are correct on the power drain, no way to get that much bass off ear without some form of an amplification circuit. All for an asinine price tag! I'll take 8! Can BoboVR PLEEEEEEASE make a damn audio solution already!
I’m sure someone in a month will figure out a hack to 3d print a clip to make it work for other straps. I can’t believe they didn’t allow data pass through for link. Great video once again.
Thank you BRAD 4 this review. I love what a fairplayer your clips are! I am amazed that Logitech released this! The accessories for VR and metaverse should be collaboration btw Users and Creators. like in the Metaverse! The Dev's asks- Users tells! Teamwork is the deal! P.s. 100$?!!! WtF
Any clarity on the kiwi strap? Not why it doesn't work but why it was blurred out like an episode of Cops? Great review. I appreciate you testing it on all your gear and possibly breaking stuff. I know people like to 3d print and mod stuff so I want to wait and see what creative stuff people come up with for this.
I've been using Koss headphones. The cable is long, but the KPH30i and KPH40 Utility fit over the bobovr M1 plus just fine and sound great. There's a mount for the drivers on thingiverse if you want to print on-headset mounts.
I'm using the Koss Porta-pro with a modified 3D printed connector. I don't like the wire management (they are out of the way, but it doesn't look as good) but they sound as close to the Rift CV1 which was the pinnacle of audio for VR. I have a DAS that is a fantastic strap that looks really professional, but the phones don't sound good at all.
This by far is the most in depth and accurate video about these. They got that first party accessory feel which is nice, but that's kind of it. The sound is such a shame, wish the highs were more pronounced and the bass less overblown. I primarily use the quest wireless with ALVR and a battery pack to keep me going for a long time during the night, but with it on I notice it's not keeping its charge up anymore. Hell, it died while it was charging and not being used. That amp in there is going to kill battery life for sure even when nothing is happening (explains why it's also so noisy anything playing) Hope they go on sale for 60€, that feels more fair
Thanks Plaster! I feel you these were such a letdown. We're actually working on a one month later too because mine have stopped passthrough charging and now need to be unplugged and replugged every time we switch the headset between people. Such a shame!!
I’ve always liked how the stock speakers (at max volume) on the Quest 2 push so much air that it keeps my head cool when I’m playing smashdrums. Or really when any music is playing.
i got this in my recommended and like damn - i didnt even know about these so thanks about the info on it. really solid in-depth go through of it and youre basically answering all the questions id ask lol thanks
I preordered mine and I have personally had nothing but great experiences with my elite battery strap. It’s been very comfortable and is still in perfect condition from when I bought it about a year ago. So it didn’t bother me much that it can basically only be used with those. And since I don’t use a link cable that doesn’t bother me much. But the $100 price is still a little steep for just an accessory. I will post my review of it when they’re sent out
These do sound better than the DAS, mostly because of the USB C power I believe as the Vive strap can sound better on an actual PC than just the Quests 3.5 mm but you get a more comfy strap with the DAS so it's about priorities I'd say
One of the things you've gotta be careful about when comparing the audio from the stock Quest 2 speakers with any other third-party speaker solutions is that third-party speaker solutions can ruin the audio from the Quest 2 speakers while they are attached. Anything the interferes with the path of the soundwaves from the Quest 2's speaker opening to your ears will dramatically affect the frequency response. In fact, any nearby object - even if the object doesn't block the direct path - can have a significant effect. You can test this by simply putting your hands near the sides of your head while listening to music via the Quest 2 speakers. I noticed this when testing the VR Ears. The attachment clamps that those speakers used massively degraded the Quest 2's stock sound, which made it impossible to conduct a fair comparison while the VR Ears were attached. In the end, I wrote off the VR Ears as a big waste of money because they don't provide a significant enough improvement to audio quality to justify the huge inconvenience and bulk they add. These new Logitech Chorus headphones are tempting because they look like they'd be less of a hassle than the VR Ears. But I still think I'll probably pass because, despite what a lot of people say, I think the Quest 2's stock speaker system is surprisingly good for what it is. Whilst it doesn't provide rich, deep bass, it does provide more bass than I would expect from this kind of recessed system and it makes the headset so streamlined and convenient.
totally agree. Some of the headstraps can ruin the Q2 speaker sound, especially halo-straps which remove the soundwave paths. Also the Q2 speakers are pretty good for what they are. I only play with headphones if i reallly need to shut down from the world and need full sound, but to be honest, for most games the build in speakers are perfect. Playing sports games with headphones does not for for me at all and i usually don't like to have something on my ears while playing.
The Quest 2 speakers remind me of iPad/iPhone speakers. Suprisingly good for how small they are, and I believe they use the same method of laying the speakers flat in the chassis and conducting air through the openings at the bottom.
@@PSWii360onBaSS yep, this is quite an achievement in terms of design. Other companies like Pico did a terrible job with their Pico Neo 3 Link, which has a real bad sound, although the headset itself has some pretty good comfort advantages compared to the Quest 2. Unfortunately the bad sound is not the only downside of the Pico.
@@ProgrammistMusic I haven't really been following the pico 3 that much, since it seems to essentially be a Quest 2 without facebook. So I'm guessing it's the 3rd party support? Or is there other technical issues with it?
@@PSWii360onBaSS the overall design of the Pico is better than the Quest 2. The headstrap and the facial interface is excellent compared to the Q2 original. Although it rules out any 3rd party accessories and it's not for everyone. The Pico has a display port, which makes it a full PCVR headset with excellent display quality. It works with STEAM VR motion smoothing which is extremely helpful for GPU hungry games on midrange PCs. Games like No Man's Sky do look and run better on the Pico under those conditions. The native game library is okay, but of course does not have the amound of games available compared to Quest 2. The build in video player can also access SMB shares, so you won't need additional players. The headset supports external storage via USB, so you can play files from USB devices and it allows to install APKs via USB and network. Nevertheless, for me personally the Pico has massive downsides apart from the really terrible speakers. And that is a smaller FOV (at least for me i can only get about 68 degrre horizontal) and most important some sort of image warping. This makes the image jitter a little bit if you move your head. The video scaling seems to be off as well as the controller position in PCVR mode. If you play games like Tennis the racket / hand positions simply do not match the way they should. All in all it's nice to try out the Pico 3, but i wouldn't recommend it, to be honest. But in about a month the new Pico 4 will be announced and released soon. Hopefully they can improve on the issues i have. Regarding Facebook it does not make any difference, to be honest. Pico is owned by Byte Dance which owns TicTok. I am not sure if it's better to give my information to Facebook/Meta or a big chineses company, which ist basically under control of the CCP.
No way. Going back to those strap after the confort of BoboVR. I play mostly PCVR on Air Ling now. I simply use a good pair of long battery life Earfun Pro bluetooth earbuds connected to the PC. Anyone else is doing that? I guess it should even save some bandwidth for the Quest. Thank you for your videos. : )
I don't see you mention it here but another reviewer found that the Chorus doesn't play audio when something is plugged into its usb port. That implies it really is only for charging and can't communicate with the quest during charging. That also means no battery straps are compatible with it.
I had that happen in this video WITHOUT anything plugged into the USB port so it may be a flaw in the design we'll see crop up after launch. I've sent the feedback through they may wanna look into this and FAST before shipping happens
I think with the amount of drawbacks, there are way too many drawbacks to improve sound. The current sound we have ain't perfect, but it works with everything else, so I think the comfort, battery life etc is more important to most than better sound.
I still feel like getting a good pair of headphones and plugging them in the 3.5 jack is the better option with all the disconnects you showed... Kind of a shame you have to fiddle with it every time, kind of defeats the purpose to me.
I think I'll wait to see if they partner with or we get thirdparty options from people who focus on audio. Imagine a VR audio solution by the likes of Audio Technica or Sennheiser. That's the one to be hyped for. But stock sounds is perfectly fine. Other than for privacy I've never found a need to get a better audio solution.
I didn't think stock was that bad, until I tried using a decent pair of headphones with beat saber... Despite bs still having low quality music and the amp in the q2 isn't great, it's SO much better. Made the game much more fun and I was doing better too. Only thing is it's really cumbersome to put headphones on over the quest every time and deal with the cable. I was hoping this would be a good solution, but I don't want to go back to a crappy Oculus headstrap... Too bad :(
I've tried a few different audio solutions to include HTC audio strap, ear muff thinggys lol, cheap Earphones from China (I liked) full over head ear phones, elite battery strap from Oculus and now I've settled with a solution from Amazon that's like the Oculus battery strap but has a bigger battery. I pre ordered these because I love nothing on my ears. Right now I'm using open Oculus speakers
I wouldn't completely blame Logitech for the lack of Oculus Link support. They had a choice between audio quality and link over USB compatibility, and they chose audio quality. Logitech could choose between sourcing analog audio from the Quest's 3.5mm jack, or getting digital audio from the USB-C port. Digital audio over USB would have better audio quality, since separate DAC, amp, and digital signal processing can be designed by Logitech, and that's what they choose. However there's a gotcha with Oculus link. During normal operations, the Chorus connects to the quest over the short rubber USB cable, with the Quest acts as USB Host, and the Chorus as USB Device. However, with oculus link, the Quest needs to be the USB Device, and the PC the USB Host. There can only be one USB host in a connection, a USB-C port can't be both host and device at the same time, plus the Chorus can only receive audio from the host, likely only over the rubber USB cable. So any design that can approach the Chorus' audio quality is not going to work with Oculus Link over wired USB. There might be a "duck tape" solution to get something working. The Chorus could be connected separately to the Host PC, and selected as the PC's audio output at the same time as wired link. This could be done using a USB-C extension cable connected to the small rubber USB-C cable.
Not being able to use PCVR Link cable is reason enough to pass on this, serious oversight on Logitech's part of not allowing Link using their passthrough USBC port, what a shame, they should have dropped the built in electronics and used the headphone jack instead, the Deluxe Audio Strap sounds pretty good with good bass and it uses the headphone jack.
A thought. The reason the elite strap is a no go for many is the flimsy side pieces. Does the chorus cover/reinforce the problem areas making it viable again? Because I love my elite battery pack but swapped to bobovrs m2 after mine broke. That combined with the headphones I could justify the price for
What I did was roll up double sided velcro and putting it on the velcro of the top strap helps tighten the gab for cleaner cable management for my Logitech earbuds. I honestly love my earbuds besides the color but maybe my ears are better shaped for earbuds. The new headphones is the latest wet far for Quest accessories. I do not understand why their first party / first party supported accessories are mostly garbage...
The bass is too dominant. Luckily though, if you stream from a PC via VD or Air Link, you can use an equalizer and tweak the sound to your liking. I use Dolby Access to make the sound a bit more balanced.
Something to consider here regarding link usage. Only a really small subset of users even use Quest 2 for PCVR and then a smaller subset use with link so I doubt Logitec saw that as much to really worry about. This product will be bought by the 10s of millions of users that own it as a stand alone device specifically.
@@SkyYukiGuy After market straps are. again. Another small subset. The average user will buy the branded stuff even if it's considered "inferior" by this echo chamber. Most people still don't even realize there is an aftermarket. you all need to get your heads out of the bubble. People around here still assume VR is just common knowledge. It's not the reality of the market hence why Logitec made these how they did. They're not some naive scrappy start-up. They have the data and made this product based on it. It came out over 2 years after the device was released. This wasn't a rush to market. It's business 101 for all the children in here that don't "get it".
@@DKVR To me, if they don't buy aftermarket strap then they probably won't even buy a new audio strap. Simple as that. Your logic of people buying branded shit is right but I don't think the majority of people will pay 100$ for the shit.
This guy sure knows how to open boxes up in style... :) Would like to know if they make the headset feel similarly front heavy as the RR VR Ears. I used them on my Q1, but even with a battery attached to the back it felt like a kg more to the face thanks to the weight distribution of those cases facing forward and the heavy batteries in them. I didn't like that you can't just flip them up to clear space when laying the headset down somewhere, they always made the whole headstrap with that intentionally heavy battery pack hanging in the air, constantly putting strain on it which basically made me take them off after every session which was mildly annoying to be fair. I might get them for improved audio since I just have the Elite headstrap and I'm not using wired link. I also have an Arctis 9, but putting up an extra item and wiring it up isn't that great either (at least I have some good other uses for it and I didn't buy it for possibly Quest use only). But I'll probably wait for some more reviews as it's always good to have more than just one opinion before buying stuff :)
It's a huge missed opportunity! You hoping for Off Ear solutions? Sadly there are very few good ones and I've tried every solution I could get my hands on.
Would you say these are the same bmr drivers as index? Or the 3d printed solution you have using the same tectonic drivers? All I need is an inline amp but if it's just farting out bass I'll figure another solution out
Hey there! If you don't mind me asking, can you fit the Chorus in the carrying case if you remove them from the quest? Including the controllers and charger? Using the elite battery strap?
I wish there were floating headphones for regular devices. I have TMJD and any pressure on my temples and area above my ears causes severe migraines. I can only play the quest 2 for ten minutes at a time so I hope that in the future VR headsets will be small enough that it won't give me migraines.
The disconnect could be a bad sign of Quest 2 port dying. I used to use USB-C DAC on Quest 2 until someday it just doesn't work and basically the data transfer part is dead. I suddenly can't transfer any data to PC but can charge. Or the audio straps just suck.
What a disappointment. I'm holding out a bit of hope that BoboVR will release another retrofit style kit to replace the two front arms of the M1 with the Oculus style snap on so it will at least give some redeeming qualities to this thing.
I've bought a pair that I am waiting for but I am wondering if I should have. Do they work with the anker charging dock? What about the dock with the elite strap? (Dock with elite strap with battery already doesn't work so I don't expect it to with the headphones.) I hadn't even considered they might not fit into the egg carrying case. These might not work out for me.
I'd say No on the Anker dock for a couple reasons. One you'd have to unplug the headphones every time (if they even fit with them on. Two you'd have to take your magnetic adapter from the Anker dock and plug it back into the headset before laying it down. Three, like you mentioned, if you have the battery strap the Anker dock already doesn't charge that so you're basically SOL with these too. ☹️
@@jaybratt Yep, that is what I suspected but I wanted to pretend to myself that they would work anyway 😹With the elite battery strap I was thinking to use a separate magnetic cord for charging it even without the chorus so it might be ok with them. (I doubt this would work with the elite strap without battery due to the location of the charging plug). I can still use the hand chargers. I'm just afraid of trying to pick out the right cord. I wish I had waited for a dock with a better design. :( Not fitting into the egg though - HUGE PROBLEM. 😡
Was so hopeful for these but as more and more news has come out and finally your superb review of these I know it's not for me. Still using the stock speakers as I just can't find aything good enough to replace them.
logitech doesn't usually miss, but when i saw these launch the first thing i thought was that it was pointless. it's nice being to get confirmation of my impeccable judgment 😄
I would hope since they partnered with Oculus (err Meta) for this and used the USB C they could fix any pre mixing. It seems like they really just went after bass and sacrificed all else.
Once you have accounted for the moulding and the packaging. There isn't a lot left for audio out of $100. If you want clear bass and clarity then you need to buy some decent wired in ear monitors. They will cost *way* more than $100 though. They will be good for everything not just for VR though, and you will be amazed at all the sounds you never realised were there. Plugging wires into the quest and having them dangle and keeping the things in your ears is annoying however. Ideally oculus need to just sort out their damn on board Bluetooth so it isn't so delayed. Then noone would need to buy any of this and faff with wires either. Let's hope they spend some of the 100 extra dollars for quest 2 on this.
here i am using a 20$ Koss KSC75 headphones and am perfectly happy of the sound. 100$ mark is a high one and i expected more than "bass". i hate when companies do that. i thought they would take inspiration of valve on how to eq properly. as for not having link passthrough, thats insane! i cant believe they missed something so basic on what tries to be a premium device.
I've seen on other reviews that when plugged into the cable connected to a pc the audio reverted to stock quest audio. The audio continues to work with the quest elite battery strap. Does it work with the bobo M1 plus battery pack? Or does the audio revert to the headset with a non quest brand battery. Biggest question for me.
Sorry I didn't see this sooner. No battery pack or charger seems to continue using the audio when it's charging. In fact my passthrough charging died already. Working on a one month later video to give the sad updates.
I've ordered two pairs to maybe go with my bobovr m1 pro... we'll see. Logitech messed up the pricing in my country and for a day you could order them for only PLN99 (that's like $20-25). Well if it doesn't work right then I'll get rid of them for what I paid.
I wish they had integrated it into a head-strap (similar to the elite battery head-strap). it is remarkable that the hp reverb g2 is 500 grams when it has a off ear headphones and an equivelent elite strap when you think about it
Aww well that's disappointing. I do think I would of actually ordered these, but soon as you got to the "does it work with Link?" part of the review, yeah, nah. Zero chance I would order these which is a shame. But great review! Appreciate it very much!!
I love many things Logi. been rocking that brand for many years. and yeah i'm currently running with the og battery strap, for now. I would not buy them unless i could use them on many other straps
We recorded it but had so many problems with riser cables and swapping them out I wasn't sure I'd use the build footage. Might just sit down and talk about it and show it off. What do you think?
@@jaybratt Think if your experiences weren't great that alone is worth putting out into the world! Might save someone the hassle and expense messing with something they didn't know they didn't want to deal with!
I will be getting these for myself I have the og battery strap (I KNOW) but I have had it since day one I got lucky I guess so the chorus is perfect for me
I've seen reports from other people with test units that the Audio DOES NOT play while the thing is plugged in and charging. Will need to see some more people test it if it's working while charging, because if you can't even plug a battery pack into it and use it, what in the actual hell were Logitech smoking when they made this thing.
14:28 “This is a strap I can not name, so that’s why the backend is all blurred out.” 14:45 “So kiwi elite straps, no, no go.” And it looks exactly the same o the kiwi elite strap, he’s reviewed the kiwi elite strap and I plan on buying a kiwi elite strap, I’m betting the reason why the back was blurred out is because it’s a experimental kiwi design elite strap with a battery pack on the back. Edit: It’s Definitely a Battery pack, you can even see the wire come out at 14:32 & 14:38 the kiwi design elite strap is hands down the best elite strap type accessory that I’ve personally tried, so I’m going to wait for a kiwi design elite strap with battery pack to get released and either het the normal kiwi elite strap because it will be cheaper then normal or get the battery one if there’s a good deal on it
@@jaybratt oh my, I need that head strap! kiwi makes some great products, I got their large controller grips (after seeing your video on them, haha) and it makes everything so much more comfortable. I bought a halo head strap (it was advertised as a bobobr m2) but I got some weird fake sent to me, when I tried to return it the eBay store was taken down and there was nothing I could do, so I stuck with it even though it was uncomfortable, I tried a friends kiwi design head strap not long ago and have been planning on getting on but I’m really looking forward for the one in the TikTok. Thank you jay
If I had a lot of disposable income and had not been exposed to the unbeatable Bobo battery pack strap, I might get this. But I can't VR without my Bobo!
I know I would have been all about these if they worked with passthrough. I have an elite with battery so these would have been soo nice!!! Sounds like I am keeping the prettygood3d I am using now. Ah well. Overall it all still works well.
The chorus usb c pass thru port doesn’t work most of the time when plugging in the link cable for charging the quest 2. I end up unplugging the chorus usb c off the quest 2 and use the native usb c port instead. If it cant charge and cant be use for pcvr, its worthless. I cant recommend it.
It's a major flop IMO. Mine have now stopped pass through charging and I have to unplug and replug them everytime I try to use them to even get them to work.
Lol, yeah it's been leaked even by the company at this point but we blurred it to make sure we were being good. My editor even asked if we should cut that and I said "no it'll be funny to just let it ride" :D
Sadly a lot of people still don't have access to that and have to rely on cables still. Hopefully that Quest 2 air dongle isn't just rumors and they launch to make wireless easily attainable for everyone :D
@@jaybratt ok...but I'm not going to spend 100$ on ears when I could just save up for a wifi 6 router....my exact router I think is now 200...I paid 400 new(ax5400). Sorry Just hate these review videos that even mention a link cable. Just wish more review channels would express this more is all....get the comfort gadgets, then focus on wifi if you want the best experience... the official cable is still north of 70 no? 100 bucks for these and now your at 170 for a mediocre experience all around.
Before Watching Video: Here's Hoping it doesn't suck!
Post Watch Necropsy: Muddy, bass heavy tuning. Bugs. No passthrough. Biggest fail is not being compatible with aftermarket straps. And I guarantee you are correct on the power drain, no way to get that much bass off ear without some form of an amplification circuit. All for an asinine price tag! I'll take 8! Can BoboVR PLEEEEEEASE make a damn audio solution already!
Spoiler alert....
... jk I'll let you watch :D
I *really* hope BOBOVR comes out with an audio solution soon, currently rocking the mantis clip ons and the cable mess is awful lol
They are! They said so when replying to someone else's tweet about metas headphones.
Same! I was able to hide some of the cable underneath the forehead pad without it interfering with comfort - give that a shot!
You mostly like know already but they did now its called Bobovr A2 Headphones
This is a long in depth review thank you jay for this incredible review!
As a frankenquest user I would really like if you included that set up in all your reviews and strap comparisons. Thanks Jay!
I’m sure someone in a month will figure out a hack to 3d print a clip to make it work for other straps.
I can’t believe they didn’t allow data pass through for link.
Great video once again.
Thank you BRAD 4 this review. I love what a fairplayer your clips are!
I am amazed that Logitech released this! The accessories for VR and metaverse should be collaboration btw Users and Creators. like in the Metaverse! The Dev's asks- Users tells! Teamwork is the deal!
P.s. 100$?!!! WtF
Thanks for the great review, had been considering them. But the lack of link-ability is a deal killer for me. Awesome Video~
Thanks so much for the very thorough review! You saved me a hundred bucks! =)
I meant to do a first impressions but I just couldn't stop myself 😂
Any clarity on the kiwi strap? Not why it doesn't work but why it was blurred out like an episode of Cops?
Great review. I appreciate you testing it on all your gear and possibly breaking stuff. I know people like to 3d print and mod stuff so I want to wait and see what creative stuff people come up with for this.
probably battery version
I've been using Koss headphones. The cable is long, but the KPH30i and KPH40 Utility fit over the bobovr M1 plus just fine and sound great. There's a mount for the drivers on thingiverse if you want to print on-headset mounts.
I'm using the Koss Porta-pro with a modified 3D printed connector. I don't like the wire management (they are out of the way, but it doesn't look as good) but they sound as close to the Rift CV1 which was the pinnacle of audio for VR. I have a DAS that is a fantastic strap that looks really professional, but the phones don't sound good at all.
@@jeffpeterson6001 Yes, Koss Porta Pro is my favourite for my Q2 if i want full sound. They are lightweight, cheap and sound great.
This by far is the most in depth and accurate video about these. They got that first party accessory feel which is nice, but that's kind of it. The sound is such a shame, wish the highs were more pronounced and the bass less overblown. I primarily use the quest wireless with ALVR and a battery pack to keep me going for a long time during the night, but with it on I notice it's not keeping its charge up anymore. Hell, it died while it was charging and not being used. That amp in there is going to kill battery life for sure even when nothing is happening (explains why it's also so noisy anything playing)
Hope they go on sale for 60€, that feels more fair
Thanks Plaster! I feel you these were such a letdown. We're actually working on a one month later too because mine have stopped passthrough charging and now need to be unplugged and replugged every time we switch the headset between people. Such a shame!!
Omg always love your reviews! So thorough, so helpful!
I’ve always liked how the stock speakers (at max volume) on the Quest 2 push so much air that it keeps my head cool when I’m playing smashdrums. Or really when any music is playing.
i got this in my recommended and like damn - i didnt even know about these so thanks about the info on it. really solid in-depth go through of it and youre basically answering all the questions id ask lol thanks
That's why you need to buy the HTC Deluxe Audio strap and get the 3D printed adapters. It's called a Frankenquest, and it's amazing.
The problem with the franken quest is finding a case that works
I preordered mine and I have personally had nothing but great experiences with my elite battery strap. It’s been very comfortable and is still in perfect condition from when I bought it about a year ago. So it didn’t bother me much that it can basically only be used with those. And since I don’t use a link cable that doesn’t bother me much. But the $100 price is still a little steep for just an accessory. I will post my review of it when they’re sent out
Awesome review. Thanks for being candid about the product!
Aww thank Hai! It's the only way I know 😊
Wouldn’t an HTC deluxe strap with an adapter be better for the price and quality?
These do sound better than the DAS, mostly because of the USB C power I believe as the Vive strap can sound better on an actual PC than just the Quests 3.5 mm but you get a more comfy strap with the DAS so it's about priorities I'd say
No, it's nice but after awhile you end up messing with it on your head too much
Very informative. Thanks for the review!
again another great and thorough review thank you for pointing out all those drawback!. I'll keep my money in my pocket for a while longer
One of the things you've gotta be careful about when comparing the audio from the stock Quest 2 speakers with any other third-party speaker solutions is that third-party speaker solutions can ruin the audio from the Quest 2 speakers while they are attached. Anything the interferes with the path of the soundwaves from the Quest 2's speaker opening to your ears will dramatically affect the frequency response. In fact, any nearby object - even if the object doesn't block the direct path - can have a significant effect. You can test this by simply putting your hands near the sides of your head while listening to music via the Quest 2 speakers.
I noticed this when testing the VR Ears. The attachment clamps that those speakers used massively degraded the Quest 2's stock sound, which made it impossible to conduct a fair comparison while the VR Ears were attached. In the end, I wrote off the VR Ears as a big waste of money because they don't provide a significant enough improvement to audio quality to justify the huge inconvenience and bulk they add.
These new Logitech Chorus headphones are tempting because they look like they'd be less of a hassle than the VR Ears. But I still think I'll probably pass because, despite what a lot of people say, I think the Quest 2's stock speaker system is surprisingly good for what it is. Whilst it doesn't provide rich, deep bass, it does provide more bass than I would expect from this kind of recessed system and it makes the headset so streamlined and convenient.
totally agree. Some of the headstraps can ruin the Q2 speaker sound, especially halo-straps which remove the soundwave paths. Also the Q2 speakers are pretty good for what they are. I only play with headphones if i reallly need to shut down from the world and need full sound, but to be honest, for most games the build in speakers are perfect. Playing sports games with headphones does not for for me at all and i usually don't like to have something on my ears while playing.
The Quest 2 speakers remind me of iPad/iPhone speakers. Suprisingly good for how small they are, and I believe they use the same method of laying the speakers flat in the chassis and conducting air through the openings at the bottom.
@@PSWii360onBaSS yep, this is quite an achievement in terms of design. Other companies like Pico did a terrible job with their Pico Neo 3 Link, which has a real bad sound, although the headset itself has some pretty good comfort advantages compared to the Quest 2. Unfortunately the bad sound is not the only downside of the Pico.
@@ProgrammistMusic I haven't really been following the pico 3 that much, since it seems to essentially be a Quest 2 without facebook. So I'm guessing it's the 3rd party support? Or is there other technical issues with it?
@@PSWii360onBaSS the overall design of the Pico is better than the Quest 2. The headstrap and the facial interface is excellent compared to the Q2 original. Although it rules out any 3rd party accessories and it's not for everyone. The Pico has a display port, which makes it a full PCVR headset with excellent display quality. It works with STEAM VR motion smoothing which is extremely helpful for GPU hungry games on midrange PCs. Games like No Man's Sky do look and run better on the Pico under those conditions. The native game library is okay, but of course does not have the amound of games available compared to Quest 2. The build in video player can also access SMB shares, so you won't need additional players. The headset supports external storage via USB, so you can play files from USB devices and it allows to install APKs via USB and network.
Nevertheless, for me personally the Pico has massive downsides apart from the really terrible speakers. And that is a smaller FOV (at least for me i can only get about 68 degrre horizontal) and most important some sort of image warping. This makes the image jitter a little bit if you move your head. The video scaling seems to be off as well as the controller position in PCVR mode. If you play games like Tennis the racket / hand positions simply do not match the way they should.
All in all it's nice to try out the Pico 3, but i wouldn't recommend it, to be honest. But in about a month the new Pico 4 will be announced and released soon. Hopefully they can improve on the issues i have.
Regarding Facebook it does not make any difference, to be honest. Pico is owned by Byte Dance which owns TicTok. I am not sure if it's better to give my information to Facebook/Meta or a big chineses company, which ist basically under control of the CCP.
No way. Going back to those strap after the confort of BoboVR. I play mostly PCVR on Air Ling now. I simply use a good pair of long battery life Earfun Pro bluetooth earbuds connected to the PC. Anyone else is doing that? I guess it should even save some bandwidth for the Quest. Thank you for your videos. : )
I don't see you mention it here but another reviewer found that the Chorus doesn't play audio when something is plugged into its usb port. That implies it really is only for charging and can't communicate with the quest during charging. That also means no battery straps are compatible with it.
I had that happen in this video WITHOUT anything plugged into the USB port so it may be a flaw in the design we'll see crop up after launch. I've sent the feedback through they may wanna look into this and FAST before shipping happens
I see Jay used his off-screen Warhammer to initially open that box, then finished with finesse with the trusty Sword.
You describe the sound exactly how I described logitech computer speakers for years selling them at Best Buy. That muddy sound has stuck I guess.
It was weird I had my wife try these too and didn't say a word. She puts them on and goes "Oh they're muffled"... lol. C'mon Logitech!
I think with the amount of drawbacks, there are way too many drawbacks to improve sound. The current sound we have ain't perfect, but it works with everything else, so I think the comfort, battery life etc is more important to most than better sound.
Oh these are cool! I may have to get a pair
I still feel like getting a good pair of headphones and plugging them in the 3.5 jack is the better option with all the disconnects you showed... Kind of a shame you have to fiddle with it every time, kind of defeats the purpose to me.
Honestly, that headphones not switching on/off when plugging I think is arecent firmware update bug. I have that same problem with my earbuds. FYI
1:00 this made me laugh it was too good 😂
Hahah... that's what we're here for :D
@@jaybratt Hells yeah!
I think I'll wait to see if they partner with or we get thirdparty options from people who focus on audio. Imagine a VR audio solution by the likes of Audio Technica or Sennheiser. That's the one to be hyped for.
But stock sounds is perfectly fine. Other than for privacy I've never found a need to get a better audio solution.
I didn't think stock was that bad, until I tried using a decent pair of headphones with beat saber... Despite bs still having low quality music and the amp in the q2 isn't great, it's SO much better. Made the game much more fun and I was doing better too. Only thing is it's really cumbersome to put headphones on over the quest every time and deal with the cable. I was hoping this would be a good solution, but I don't want to go back to a crappy Oculus headstrap... Too bad :(
the Mute thing is a software thing, I bet Oculus had to add support for these in the firmware. Probably just needs another driver tweak from Oculus
I've tried a few different audio solutions to include HTC audio strap, ear muff thinggys lol, cheap Earphones from China (I liked) full over head ear phones, elite battery strap from Oculus and now I've settled with a solution from Amazon that's like the Oculus battery strap but has a bigger battery. I pre ordered these because I love nothing on my ears. Right now I'm using open Oculus speakers
I wouldn't completely blame Logitech for the lack of Oculus Link support. They had a choice between audio quality and link over USB compatibility, and they chose audio quality.
Logitech could choose between sourcing analog audio from the Quest's 3.5mm jack, or getting digital audio from the USB-C port. Digital audio over USB would have better audio quality, since separate DAC, amp, and digital signal processing can be designed by Logitech, and that's what they choose. However there's a gotcha with Oculus link.
During normal operations, the Chorus connects to the quest over the short rubber USB cable, with the Quest acts as USB Host, and the Chorus as USB Device. However, with oculus link, the Quest needs to be the USB Device, and the PC the USB Host.
There can only be one USB host in a connection, a USB-C port can't be both host and device at the same time, plus the Chorus can only receive audio from the host, likely only over the rubber USB cable.
So any design that can approach the Chorus' audio quality is not going to work with Oculus Link over wired USB.
There might be a "duck tape" solution to get something working. The Chorus could be connected separately to the Host PC, and selected as the PC's audio output at the same time as wired link. This could be done using a USB-C extension cable connected to the small rubber USB-C cable.
Not being able to use PCVR Link cable is reason enough to pass on this, serious oversight on Logitech's part of not allowing Link using their passthrough USBC port, what a shame, they should have dropped the built in electronics and used the headphone jack instead, the Deluxe Audio Strap sounds pretty good with good bass and it uses the headphone jack.
GlNice review! Does it have a mic? Quality?
I'm still rocking my Deluxe Audio headstrap until Bobovr comes out with headphones for their M2 pros then I'll switch out everything.
Excellent U/R. No go for the Kiwi Elite Strap? Dang. Was really hoping.
A thought. The reason the elite strap is a no go for many is the flimsy side pieces. Does the chorus cover/reinforce the problem areas making it viable again? Because I love my elite battery pack but swapped to bobovrs m2 after mine broke. That combined with the headphones I could justify the price for
What I did was roll up double sided velcro and putting it on the velcro of the top strap helps tighten the gab for cleaner cable management for my Logitech earbuds. I honestly love my earbuds besides the color but maybe my ears are better shaped for earbuds. The new headphones is the latest wet far for Quest accessories. I do not understand why their first party / first party supported accessories are mostly garbage...
The bass is too dominant. Luckily though, if you stream from a PC via VD or Air Link, you can use an equalizer and tweak the sound to your liking. I use Dolby Access to make the sound a bit more balanced.
I bet that helps a lot! Without the link cable option I never tried these on my PC ☹️
Great review no go for me though pass through is a must so still using headphones till somebody gets it right. Thanks
Something to consider here regarding link usage. Only a really small subset of users even use Quest 2 for PCVR and then a smaller subset use with link so I doubt Logitec saw that as much to really worry about. This product will be bought by the 10s of millions of users that own it as a stand alone device specifically.
Not if it doesn't work with their aftermarket strap.
@@SkyYukiGuy After market straps are. again. Another small subset. The average user will buy the branded stuff even if it's considered "inferior" by this echo chamber. Most people still don't even realize there is an aftermarket.
you all need to get your heads out of the bubble. People around here still assume VR is just common knowledge. It's not the reality of the market hence why Logitec made these how they did. They're not some naive scrappy start-up. They have the data and made this product based on it. It came out over 2 years after the device was released. This wasn't a rush to market. It's business 101 for all the children in here that don't "get it".
@@DKVR To me, if they don't buy aftermarket strap then they probably won't even buy a new audio strap.
Simple as that.
Your logic of people buying branded shit is right but I don't think the majority of people will pay 100$ for the shit.
@@DKVR I love the way you think lol!
This guy sure knows how to open boxes up in style... :)
Would like to know if they make the headset feel similarly front heavy as the RR VR Ears. I used them on my Q1, but even with a battery attached to the back it felt like a kg more to the face thanks to the weight distribution of those cases facing forward and the heavy batteries in them. I didn't like that you can't just flip them up to clear space when laying the headset down somewhere, they always made the whole headstrap with that intentionally heavy battery pack hanging in the air, constantly putting strain on it which basically made me take them off after every session which was mildly annoying to be fair.
I might get them for improved audio since I just have the Elite headstrap and I'm not using wired link. I also have an Arctis 9, but putting up an extra item and wiring it up isn't that great either (at least I have some good other uses for it and I didn't buy it for possibly Quest use only). But I'll probably wait for some more reviews as it's always good to have more than just one opinion before buying stuff :)
is that the new kiwi battery strap i see! oooo you got one early?
I've been looking for a better audio solution for the Quest 2. It's a real shame that this doesn't support a Link cable.
It's a huge missed opportunity! You hoping for Off Ear solutions? Sadly there are very few good ones and I've tried every solution I could get my hands on.
yeap, no data passthrough is a killer for me, was going to get them, thanks for that test.
😲💩 We need Bobo to come to the rescue. Let's start a petition to show them how serious this issue is to all the Bratty followers!!
bobo in my heart is the official quest 2 accessories
i wish they could add a way to customize audio in the headset
Would you say these are the same bmr drivers as index? Or the 3d printed solution you have using the same tectonic drivers?
All I need is an inline amp but if it's just farting out bass I'll figure another solution out
Hey there! If you don't mind me asking, can you fit the Chorus in the carrying case if you remove them from the quest? Including the controllers and charger? Using the elite battery strap?
I wish there were floating headphones for regular devices. I have TMJD and any pressure on my temples and area above my ears causes severe migraines. I can only play the quest 2 for ten minutes at a time so I hope that in the future VR headsets will be small enough that it won't give me migraines.
ILL STICK WITH MY FrankenQuest 2 SETUP !!
The disconnect could be a bad sign of Quest 2 port dying.
I used to use USB-C DAC on Quest 2 until someday it just doesn't work and basically the data transfer part is dead. I suddenly can't transfer any data to PC but can charge.
Or the audio straps just suck.
What a disappointment.
I'm holding out a bit of hope that BoboVR will release another retrofit style kit to replace the two front arms of the M1 with the Oculus style snap on so it will at least give some redeeming qualities to this thing.
Bit pricey but looks worth it and love the design
"I cant name this headstrap"... 10. Seconds. Later. "So Kiwi Elite Straps, no go". HA!
I've bought a pair that I am waiting for but I am wondering if I should have. Do they work with the anker charging dock? What about the dock with the elite strap? (Dock with elite strap with battery already doesn't work so I don't expect it to with the headphones.) I hadn't even considered they might not fit into the egg carrying case. These might not work out for me.
I'd say No on the Anker dock for a couple reasons. One you'd have to unplug the headphones every time (if they even fit with them on. Two you'd have to take your magnetic adapter from the Anker dock and plug it back into the headset before laying it down. Three, like you mentioned, if you have the battery strap the Anker dock already doesn't charge that so you're basically SOL with these too. ☹️
@@jaybratt Yep, that is what I suspected but I wanted to pretend to myself that they would work anyway 😹With the elite battery strap I was thinking to use a separate magnetic cord for charging it even without the chorus so it might be ok with them. (I doubt this would work with the elite strap without battery due to the location of the charging plug). I can still use the hand chargers. I'm just afraid of trying to pick out the right cord. I wish I had waited for a dock with a better design. :( Not fitting into the egg though - HUGE PROBLEM. 😡
Was so hopeful for these but as more and more news has come out and finally your superb review of these I know it's not for me. Still using the stock speakers as I just can't find aything good enough to replace them.
Wow this came out so fast!
Great video but got to stay with the bobovr headstrap
Seemed pretty clear to me ..it says there is pasthrough for link access
Is there a good pair of headphones that pair well with the bobovr M2 Plus?
did your aubika strap have its back of the head pad break lol? i heard it happens to lot of people
Great job
logitech doesn't usually miss, but when i saw these launch the first thing i thought was that it was pointless. it's nice being to get confirmation of my impeccable judgment 😄
maybe the audio is mixed for the onboard quest speakers so it sounds weird with the chorus
I would hope since they partnered with Oculus (err Meta) for this and used the USB C they could fix any pre mixing. It seems like they really just went after bass and sacrificed all else.
Once you have accounted for the moulding and the packaging. There isn't a lot left for audio out of $100. If you want clear bass and clarity then you need to buy some decent wired in ear monitors. They will cost *way* more than $100 though. They will be good for everything not just for VR though, and you will be amazed at all the sounds you never realised were there.
Plugging wires into the quest and having them dangle and keeping the things in your ears is annoying however.
Ideally oculus need to just sort out their damn on board Bluetooth so it isn't so delayed. Then noone would need to buy any of this and faff with wires either. Let's hope they spend some of the 100 extra dollars for quest 2 on this.
here i am using a 20$ Koss KSC75 headphones and am perfectly happy of the sound. 100$ mark is a high one and i expected more than "bass". i hate when companies do that. i thought they would take inspiration of valve on how to eq properly.
as for not having link passthrough, thats insane! i cant believe they missed something so basic on what tries to be a premium device.
I've seen on other reviews that when plugged into the cable connected to a pc the audio reverted to stock quest audio. The audio continues to work with the quest elite battery strap.
Does it work with the bobo M1 plus battery pack? Or does the audio revert to the headset with a non quest brand battery. Biggest question for me.
Sorry I didn't see this sooner. No battery pack or charger seems to continue using the audio when it's charging. In fact my passthrough charging died already. Working on a one month later video to give the sad updates.
@@jaybratt Respect. They really dropped the ball on what should have been great.
I've ordered two pairs to maybe go with my bobovr m1 pro... we'll see. Logitech messed up the pricing in my country and for a day you could order them for only PLN99 (that's like $20-25). Well if it doesn't work right then I'll get rid of them for what I paid.
I wish they had integrated it into a head-strap (similar to the elite battery head-strap). it is remarkable that the hp reverb g2 is 500 grams when it has a off ear headphones and an equivelent elite strap when you think about it
Aww well that's disappointing. I do think I would of actually ordered these, but soon as you got to the "does it work with Link?" part of the review, yeah, nah. Zero chance I would order these which is a shame.
But great review! Appreciate it very much!!
I'm curious how they stack up to the DAS headphones 🤔 I'll likely wait for a native bobovr solution (weird statement to make, lol)
I love many things Logi. been rocking that brand for many years. and yeah i'm currently running with the og battery strap, for now. I would not buy them unless i could use them on many other straps
this or rebuff reality?
Do you have a video going over that AZZA Pyramid 804 PC case build?
We recorded it but had so many problems with riser cables and swapping them out I wasn't sure I'd use the build footage. Might just sit down and talk about it and show it off. What do you think?
@@jaybratt Think if your experiences weren't great that alone is worth putting out into the world! Might save someone the hassle and expense messing with something they didn't know they didn't want to deal with!
I will be getting these for myself I have the og battery strap (I KNOW) but I have had it since day one I got lucky I guess so the chorus is perfect for me
Thank you soooo much!!!! I was so excited for this headset what a total miss :/
I've seen reports from other people with test units that the Audio DOES NOT play while the thing is plugged in and charging. Will need to see some more people test it if it's working while charging, because if you can't even plug a battery pack into it and use it, what in the actual hell were Logitech smoking when they made this thing.
Or maybe only plays and charges with official meta battery strap (that would suck!)
Do they sound identical to the valve index ?
They should have an audio app on the Meta Quest to edit audio profiles.
14:28 “This is a strap I can not name, so that’s why the backend is all blurred out.”
14:45 “So kiwi elite straps, no, no go.”
And it looks exactly the same o the kiwi elite strap, he’s reviewed the kiwi elite strap and I plan on buying a kiwi elite strap, I’m betting the reason why the back was blurred out is because it’s a experimental kiwi design elite strap with a battery pack on the back.
Edit: It’s Definitely a Battery pack, you can even see the wire come out at 14:32 & 14:38 the kiwi design elite strap is hands down the best elite strap type accessory that I’ve personally tried, so I’m going to wait for a kiwi design elite strap with battery pack to get released and either het the normal kiwi elite strap because it will be cheaper then normal or get the battery one if there’s a good deal on it
😏 I thought we'd sneak a bit in there...
Wanna see something really wild from Kiwi? www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRfbPFST/
@@jaybratt oh my, I need that head strap! kiwi makes some great products, I got their large controller grips (after seeing your video on them, haha) and it makes everything so much more comfortable. I bought a halo head strap (it was advertised as a bobobr m2) but I got some weird fake sent to me, when I tried to return it the eBay store was taken down and there was nothing I could do, so I stuck with it even though it was uncomfortable, I tried a friends kiwi design head strap not long ago and have been planning on getting on but I’m really looking forward for the one in the TikTok. Thank you jay
I cant for the love of myself get why this is powered by the USB-C port and not the 3,5 mm jack???
Does the Logitech Chorus work with the oculus elite strap with battery?
Yes
It's just a valve index now
Yes... a much less comfortable more front heavy Valve Index :D
If I had a lot of disposable income and had not been exposed to the unbeatable Bobo battery pack strap, I might get this. But I can't VR without my Bobo!
Was that last strap the kiwi elite battery strap
guess I was lucky to have an Aubika. $100 seem too expensive tho.
I know I would have been all about these if they worked with passthrough. I have an elite with battery so these would have been soo nice!!! Sounds like I am keeping the prettygood3d I am using now. Ah well. Overall it all still works well.
The chorus usb c pass thru port doesn’t work most of the time when plugging in the link cable for charging the quest 2. I end up unplugging the chorus usb c off the quest 2 and use the native usb c port instead. If it cant charge and cant be use for pcvr, its worthless. I cant recommend it.
@14:41 is there a meme/joke I don't get? He said he can't name it so the strap is blurred, but then names it at the end??? 😂
can someone tell me why the hell did they even put a p2 connector in the quest 2 if their own proprietary audio solution is not gonna use it?
I wish I had answers for you there but many decisions in their development just escape my logic...
Can the chorus work with USB pass through hub?
I know this is the least important part of the entire video, but, holy he tore that box lid up like a kid on Christmas morning 😂
He got it!!
Only had to wait a day! 😁
After watching this, glad I held off on buying them, seems like a flop to me. Think I'll stick with the factory speakers for now.
It's a major flop IMO. Mine have now stopped pass through charging and I have to unplug and replug them everytime I try to use them to even get them to work.
stupid question, why can't you mention and had to blur the kiwi?
Says he can’t name a strap proceeds to say the name
Lol, yeah it's been leaked even by the company at this point but we blurred it to make sure we were being good. My editor even asked if we should cut that and I said "no it'll be funny to just let it ride" :D
Why the heck would you use a link cable? Between VRdesktop and a good wifi 6 router You don't need anything else.
Sadly a lot of people still don't have access to that and have to rely on cables still. Hopefully that Quest 2 air dongle isn't just rumors and they launch to make wireless easily attainable for everyone :D
@@jaybratt ok...but I'm not going to spend 100$ on ears when I could just save up for a wifi 6 router....my exact router I think is now 200...I paid 400 new(ax5400). Sorry Just hate these review videos that even mention a link cable. Just wish more review channels would express this more is all....get the comfort gadgets, then focus on wifi if you want the best experience... the official cable is still north of 70 no? 100 bucks for these and now your at 170 for a mediocre experience all around.