I actually think it is the same technique (basic movements), but the amount of force applied / timings are different at different speeds and heights. If you watch him doing the fast ones, he goes over the back wheel a bit, but interrupts the movement sooner than in slow, high jump
huh ? Give him some slack for landing both wheels at the same time? I thought the most desired would be to land both wheels at the same time, sometimes more on back wheel, rarely on front - if you are jumping down then front wheel goes more down so you land both at the same time in the end
This sounds correct, especially for slow hops and style points. Although at trial speed, landing front wheel first, ie a bunny flop, should allow the rear to more easily clear the obstacle and offer better bike control after landing
Actually a front wheel first landing is correct in many instances on the trail as we can't steer until the front wheel is on the ground. This also allows us to 'feature' off natural terrain (similar to a hop) and have the wheels be able to both land on small terrain pieces and use them as a transition. This type of use of natural terrain (ie landing backside on a root) would not be possible with both wheels landing at the same time or the back wheel landing first. That said, there are place to use any of these techniques in such varied applications as we find need for while on the trial.
As a long time sub and observer, I have come to realise Simon offers ergonomic, safe, trail oriented riding for perhaps 90-95% of the riders. Super high jumps with style/ whips/ Manuals etc are not required for ordinary riding and hence not in focus. Linnea is very likeable and seems like the driving production force for the educational content. My only comment is that Linnea has received countless lessons for some years, I thought she would have progressed to the advanced mtber - coach herself? Maybe she could give tips on progression and how to chart it. Lastly, and somewhat disappointingly I observed a gratuitous take down of another coach (Lee likes bikes). That whole video was entirely inappropriate for so many reasons, not least that it mis represented the ethos of the said coach entirely. It nearly put me off the gentle, well natured and realistic content that this channel produces.
Good on you for realizing Linnea is the driving force behind our online content. She has only done the lessons in these videos and is otherwise not a regular student. She rides at the pro level, or did as she's just retired from pro enduro racing. Even though a pro, she had a lot of room to grow as a rider in our time in this series. She is not wanting to coach, as she prefers to run the company (our in person school) and help with the creation of content. As for the other content you mention, it has been taken down and was within a day or two. It was not meant to push at any other coach. It might surprise some, but I don't watch any other online coaching content as I prefer to draw exclusively from what top riders are doing in the moment. For this reason, I didn't realize the hip hinge was The Hip Hinge as in someone's 'thing'. As soon as a realized that, I took the video down. I wish I'd given it another name as I think there is relevance to mistakes many are making. I'm sure what I keep seeing is also not what others are teaching. I've heard great things about Lee and actually have his first book! As you say, I'm a gentle and well-natured person, and not in any way looking to create online drama or challenge anyone with their teachings. I just like geeking out on proper movement on the bike and experiencing the many benefits it brings.
Makes perfect sense. This answers my question on why I can do a pretty big slow speed bunny hop but my trail speed hops are much smaller no matter how hard I try. Now I know there is nothing wrong with me.
Uhehehe love you guys, I really like the funny approach you put into teaching MTB! I've watched several jumping videos from several different creators.. but I think this is the first time speed VS time is discussed. So thank you! Even though my jumping technique is still crap.. it will get better, I promise 😂
whether you are bunny hopping or jumping... the higher the front wheel you get off the ground, the higher you will be able to hop. Just most people are uncomfortable with shifting weight that far back, but don't worry... you won't loop out
I normally enjoy Fluidride videos, but this one has me scratching my head over very non standard use of terminology. 1). Trials riders generally use a pedal crank for this, never a manual, particularly in the jump over the high bar. 2). With the low speed jumps, it's generally called a bunny hop to land both wheels at same time and a bunny flip to land front wheel first. 3). The high speed hop is absolutely manually infused and not a basic lift, just watch for the weight transfer in the video. It's just a mellower version of the big hop, not a different technique.
You are right, on the trail it is indeed a mellower version of the technique. The naming is just something I use and came to it since trails riders are normally hopping super high.
Awesome as always, Simon & Linnea. The footage of the demos showing the difference -- astounding to see how much leaping/body extension he does in the trials hop.
So, with higher speed one does a classic front lift to hop and with slower speed its more like manual infused front wheel lift. And going really slow it can actually be a manual to initiate (experts only). Thank you
If you watch the video slowed down, I argue that the high speed hop is still very much manually infused. Trying to do a basic lift at high speed before an object would be very dangerous and require much more precise timing
While that is in some ways a step down (landing is clearly way lower than takeoff) there is almost no way to create much compression there since the road was slightly downhill and there wasn't much to press into. Hopping was the only way I could get high enough to get the distance I needed to clear the water bar which was down that alley. Not normal to use a hop on a step down...mostly just pre-load, but in this instance I needed a bit more to get the distance I needed to stay safe!
Fun drill... Try learning bunny hop from a track stand with both brakes locked, I can get my highest and cleanest this way, and it really helps in learning a good meerkat. Hop to the side and you have a cool trials side hop.
I know it’s more of an advanced move, but can you discuss how to apply bunny hop technique to a jump to get more distance and height to clear a jump or gap at a slower speed?
you don't jump with bunny hop just like you don't peddle on the ramp. Those will mess up your timing to jump. The movement is similar except the ramp will do the work rather than your bunny hop.
High level riders can essentially combine a hop with a jump to get more 'boost' out of the jump. Not something you see a lot, but can be done for sure. As someone mentioned, we did a bit on that not too long ago! Cheers.
I actually think it is the same technique (basic movements), but the amount of force applied / timings are different at different speeds and heights. If you watch him doing the fast ones, he goes over the back wheel a bit, but interrupts the movement sooner than in slow, high jump
Excellent work. I didn't realise there were two types until recently.
huh ? Give him some slack for landing both wheels at the same time? I thought the most desired would be to land both wheels at the same time, sometimes more on back wheel, rarely on front - if you are jumping down then front wheel goes more down so you land both at the same time in the end
This sounds correct, especially for slow hops and style points. Although at trial speed, landing front wheel first, ie a bunny flop, should allow the rear to more easily clear the obstacle and offer better bike control after landing
Actually a front wheel first landing is correct in many instances on the trail as we can't steer until the front wheel is on the ground. This also allows us to 'feature' off natural terrain (similar to a hop) and have the wheels be able to both land on small terrain pieces and use them as a transition. This type of use of natural terrain (ie landing backside on a root) would not be possible with both wheels landing at the same time or the back wheel landing first. That said, there are place to use any of these techniques in such varied applications as we find need for while on the trial.
As a long time sub and observer, I have come to realise Simon offers ergonomic, safe, trail oriented riding for perhaps 90-95% of the riders. Super high jumps with style/ whips/ Manuals etc are not required for ordinary riding and hence not in focus.
Linnea is very likeable and seems like the driving production force for the educational content. My only comment is that Linnea has received countless lessons for some years, I thought she would have progressed to the advanced mtber - coach herself? Maybe she could give tips on progression and how to chart it.
Lastly, and somewhat disappointingly I observed a gratuitous take down of another coach (Lee likes bikes). That whole video was entirely inappropriate for so many reasons, not least that it mis represented the ethos of the said coach entirely. It nearly put me off the gentle, well natured and realistic content that this channel produces.
Good on you for realizing Linnea is the driving force behind our online content. She has only done the lessons in these videos and is otherwise not a regular student. She rides at the pro level, or did as she's just retired from pro enduro racing. Even though a pro, she had a lot of room to grow as a rider in our time in this series. She is not wanting to coach, as she prefers to run the company (our in person school) and help with the creation of content. As for the other content you mention, it has been taken down and was within a day or two. It was not meant to push at any other coach. It might surprise some, but I don't watch any other online coaching content as I prefer to draw exclusively from what top riders are doing in the moment. For this reason, I didn't realize the hip hinge was The Hip Hinge as in someone's 'thing'. As soon as a realized that, I took the video down. I wish I'd given it another name as I think there is relevance to mistakes many are making. I'm sure what I keep seeing is also not what others are teaching. I've heard great things about Lee and actually have his first book! As you say, I'm a gentle and well-natured person, and not in any way looking to create online drama or challenge anyone with their teachings. I just like geeking out on proper movement on the bike and experiencing the many benefits it brings.
Makes perfect sense. This answers my question on why I can do a pretty big slow speed bunny hop but my trail speed hops are much smaller no matter how hard I try. Now I know there is nothing wrong with me.
Uhehehe love you guys, I really like the funny approach you put into teaching MTB! I've watched several jumping videos from several different creators.. but I think this is the first time speed VS time is discussed. So thank you! Even though my jumping technique is still crap.. it will get better, I promise 😂
whether you are bunny hopping or jumping... the higher the front wheel you get off the ground, the higher you will be able to hop. Just most people are uncomfortable with shifting weight that far back, but don't worry... you won't loop out
I normally enjoy Fluidride videos, but this one has me scratching my head over very non standard use of terminology. 1). Trials riders generally use a pedal crank for this, never a manual, particularly in the jump over the high bar. 2). With the low speed jumps, it's generally called a bunny hop to land both wheels at same time and a bunny flip to land front wheel first. 3). The high speed hop is absolutely manually infused and not a basic lift, just watch for the weight transfer in the video. It's just a mellower version of the big hop, not a different technique.
You are right, on the trail it is indeed a mellower version of the technique. The naming is just something I use and came to it since trails riders are normally hopping super high.
Awesome as always, Simon & Linnea. The footage of the demos showing the difference -- astounding to see how much leaping/body extension he does in the trials hop.
nice! I think this is a more functional way of explaining bunny hop. thanks
Just don't forget that the goal is to clear the obstacle. That said, you can style it or dial it. Depends on your mission.
*Promosm*
Great video and wonderful detailed description/explanation.
I'm a trail hopper from way back 😊
So, with higher speed one does a classic front lift to hop and with slower speed its more like manual infused front wheel lift. And going really slow it can actually be a manual to initiate (experts only). Thank you
If you watch the video slowed down, I argue that the high speed hop is still very much manually infused. Trying to do a basic lift at high speed before an object would be very dangerous and require much more precise timing
3.19 almost lost the pedal😮
Thanks for the video! So the trail hop is also for a step down since one of the obstacles in the vid seems like a step down feature.
While that is in some ways a step down (landing is clearly way lower than takeoff) there is almost no way to create much compression there since the road was slightly downhill and there wasn't much to press into. Hopping was the only way I could get high enough to get the distance I needed to clear the water bar which was down that alley. Not normal to use a hop on a step down...mostly just pre-load, but in this instance I needed a bit more to get the distance I needed to stay safe!
Would love an interview from the coach and rider pictured.
An interesting idea! Perhaps we'll put that on our filming list!
So this is why hops at speed are so much easier than static hops.
Fun drill... Try learning bunny hop from a track stand with both brakes locked, I can get my highest and cleanest this way, and it really helps in learning a good meerkat. Hop to the side and you have a cool trials side hop.
I know it’s more of an advanced move, but can you discuss how to apply bunny hop technique to a jump to get more distance and height to clear a jump or gap at a slower speed?
you don't jump with bunny hop just like you don't peddle on the ramp. Those will mess up your timing to jump. The movement is similar except the ramp will do the work rather than your bunny hop.
They did a video within the last month or so about adding height to jumps, it talks about what you're looking for.
High level riders can essentially combine a hop with a jump to get more 'boost' out of the jump. Not something you see a lot, but can be done for sure. As someone mentioned, we did a bit on that not too long ago! Cheers.
Hi you guys should cover some skills on e-bikes also.
There’s a lot of people riding them now.
For sure. You will actually see some coming out. I ride my e-bike a lot in Mexico since its really warm there. Been thinking about sharing some tips!