Nikon Z 9 Buffer Tests. XQD/CFe/LosslessRAW/High Efficiency Raw
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Hey everyone !
Based on so many questions about this topic I decided to pull this video forward ahead of other videos...
So in this video we will cover the Z9 buffer how that buffer works with XQD cards how it works with CFe cards and how it works when you change the Raw from Lossless compressed to high efficiency * and so on.
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All of these shots and absolutely no wear and tear on the shutter. Brilliant!
Resale values would be insane! No more "what is the shutter count?" queries.
But there will be wear and tear on the shutter button itself and on you shutter finger muscles......
@@BigRedDogATL And all the gunk built up around the AF-ON button 😂
How about wear and tear on the processor? Is it possible that the processor will slow over time? That’s the one thing I’m wondering, is while it’s great to think we won’t have to be concerned with shutter count anymore, but yet, everything about the camera is dependent on how well the processor performs. I’m sure that must have a lifespan or a rate of degradation.
@@paulrubino1399 I'm no engineer but I think solid state electronics last a long, long time. The thing to worry about is acute damage, not wear and tear over time. Then again, sensors do get gunk in the AA filter that can be hard to get out. That's happened to me.
*update* been in contact with Angelbird ! So will be doing further testing with them
Everyone that asked about the Z9 Buffer I heard you !
Hopefully this video and my following video on the RAW files (high efficiency RAW) makes things clear !
thank you so much for watching
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yes, lossless compressed vs H.E. comparison
@@jasonbanas2899 The Sony tough cf express 128gb has only a 383mb/s sustain writing speed vs 1400mb/s for delkin black 512gb
Excellent, through and accurate video as usual. Thank you Ricci!
Great Video if you can not get the shot in 80 shots take-up painting
Thais for sharing, people remember the issue with flickering lights and no shutter. Thanks agsin
This is why everyone trusts your info, when its based on fact and showing the options, then its down to the user, i am so glad nikon give you the access.
Il let them know for sure so it doesn’t stop
@@RicciTalks The community appreciates all the work you do, keep up what is great work, appreciated and shared often.
Definitely, this all started because the very trusted DP Review, Chis Nichols only got 40 frames buffer in 14bit Lossless and there is no 12bit, so then Matt Granger said everyone was horse-shit liars, but he was testing the Lossy High Efficiency Plus mode, not 14bit Lossless RAW. Which just caused more confusion. Still with the fastest cards, you'd be lucky to get about a 4 second buffer, not bad, not great...but pretty decent for 20fps in 14bit Lossless! I get around 75 frames buffer on my D850 in 12bit Lossless RAW with a Sony CFexpress 128GB Tough series card. But that's at 9fps (actually 9.5-10fps with fully charged battery at 64 ISO) with the MB-D18 and EN-EL18c battery, so around a 7.5 seconds of buffer. Obviously the Z9 is getting more images in the buffer, at 20fps and 14bit Lossless. I never noticed any real difference at all between 12bit and 14bit Lossless, but I still wish the Z9 offered 12bit Lossless, just for the smaller file size, without any noticeable losses in IQ. Seems with the Z9 you have to shoot Lossy to get that big, endless buffer. Still the Z9 is awesome and maybe someday in firmware they will release 12bit Lossless as an option. No more sRAW or mRAW either, right?
@@patricksmith2553 In the Nikon panel discussions there was a comment that the compression software more efficient and that the file size for 14b not significantly larger than 12b files on previous versions. Ricci hopefully will give a better explanation.
Thanks for clearing this confusion up. The Angry photographer raked this thing up unnecessarily....claiming that his 'friend' had told him so....great way to lie and pass it over to one's friends.
The Z9 is a marvel...great work Nikon
it still chokes in RAW as the Angry Photographer mentioned. Just not at 35 frames. More like 85 which is good enough for me! I'm still mostly a one shot at a time guy!
@@gosman949 You have to chose, between choke with less frames or halt while clearing the buffer, for sport cameras, the first option is the right one.
@@gosman949 I won't call 81 frames at 45 MP choking. No one needs that kind of shooting today
Ken's going to HATE this real world test, lol
@@hitmanhart22 still that is not even the fastest card out there. We could be looking at over 100 full raw burst.
Ricci the Nikon Icon 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Lol perfect 😂💯💯💪🏾. Ricci just shut these haters up in the most humblest way 😂😂😂
Good thing the Z9 does not use a mechanical shutter, or otherwise Ricci would have just chewed through his shutter lifespan.
Thanks for this. What shines through is your diligence, humility and honesty. No unnecessary hyperbole or obfuscation. Never have I seen you bashing other cameras either. Keep making your videos.
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Great, clear video Ricci, as usual. I'm afraid a lot of people on UA-cam aren't interested in helping consumers make informed decisions. They'd rather play up the drama, declare winners and losers, and get clicks, even if the cost is clarity and truth. So this is a good remedy to that!
I absolutely agree. Looking forward to your discussion of the high-efficiency file types. Thanks so much.
@@donaldanderson591 You mean Ricci's discussion about the high efficiency file types? Yes, I also hope he talks more about this in a future video.
I am also curious as to RAW crop performance. I understand that you can't change the size of RAW files like you can with JPEGs EXCEPT when you are cropping. So in theory a cropped RAW might be faster than a FF RAW (fewer pixels to deal with). How fast can we shoot in RAW DX, for example?
Yes, so much negativity. "My gear is better than yours" mentality..
Basically with an appropriate memory card the buffer on the Z9 will never limit your photography ! I do really wish the nay sayers would do their homework and stop spreading nonsense about this amazing camera. Thanks for the info and as always superb clarity Ricci. If anyone doesn't understand this please stop doubting the integrity of Nikon cameras.
Problem is, cfex manufacturers have to start writing minimum/sustained speed. Only writing max speeds is unacceptable.
@@Dennis94913 Thats marketing and it wont go.
you mean like the angry photographer "nikon fanboy" who doesn't have any affiliate links?
Thanks for providing such good information and discussion without all the ultra-hype. Nikon was very wise to make this gear available to you for sharing with us.
Thank you so much for the clarity, Ricci! I always feel that we get the most honest information from you, and judging the items I've bought in the past, due to your reviews, that opinion stands. Congratulations on your channel growing, too. You obviously deserve that recognition, and I remain a fan of your super clear reviewing style! :)
Thank you so much Mike !
@@RicciTalks Yes sir!
The internet seems to be full of Nikon experts(lol) , there are far fewer real experts, thankfully Ricci falls into the latter category
At LAST! Somebody decent and honest with open testing and mature comments! Thank you!
Thanks Ricci, now all the users have reality, less false info will be spread. Really appreciate this thanks 🙏
Ricci, you seem surprised that everyone loves your videos. Frank and honest reporting without the click bait bull dust. Superb work.
Ricci, thanks for your videos. Hands down, the UA-cam influencers just spread too much wrong information otherwise. Your videos help to shield Nikon from those bias.
Ricci, you could not have been anymore clearer if you tried my friend. You broke down the differences between the cards and the different types of raw, basically raw small, med and large for all intense purposes.
It is guys like Ken Wheeler, The Angry Photographer who has sunk to all new lows of bashing equipment that he hasnt used, which starts mess like this in the first place.
Nikon knew what they were doing by putting the Z9 in the right hands, your hands to be more specific. Thank you Ricci for being that beckon of light in an otherwise cloud of you know what.
Thank you for doing the tests. You’re becoming my source of truth when it comes to Nikon gear. Well done.
Great to hear!
Even in a highly active scene 80 frames means your moving subject is in a completely different position in the scene. That's 4 seconds of action. Shooting moving Cars, motorcycles etc. In sports the play you are shooting is already over (American Football most plays or downs. Basketball the action sequence of a player driving the lane that you just shot is now history. In Baseball the batters swing is long over and the ball is already in play on the field or in the catchers mitt. A tennis player has already returned the shot across the net) etc. The Z9 specs are just incredible. Getting rid of the mechanical shutter is fantastic. Wish I could get one. I'll just have to settle for my D850 for now.
Well done. It proves a lot of critics wrong that are trying to downgrade this camera.
Thank you Ricci to explain the difference on memory cards. Write speed and a fast memory controller makes the difference. And the Z9 is a beast.
Ricci, no need to apologize for the pace of your content. I've quickly come to discover yours as the best channel out there for Nikon nerds like myself. Your honesty and thoroughness and attention to the details that matter to photographers is unparalleled. I really appreciate the work you do. Thanks!
WOW, I’m just glad, that I have found you, thanks for your great effort and honest reviews, keep up the Great job!
I got lucky, placed an preorder for the Z8 four days ago and was told yesterday I will get one from the first batch they release tomorrow! I have been to youtube for help on Z8/Z9 so I can hit the ground running and after reviewing many want to thank you for the having best by far. Very complete, fact based, and present the material in logical manner. Too bad UA-cam is cluttered by many Z8 "reviews" that looked to be made by retired / fired National Enquirer cover planners. Made it that much harder to find your content but now subscribed so no problem in future!
Welcome to the family ! 😊
Keep calm and Cary on. You are producing great content. Thanks for doing this video. The write speeds we see here simply amaze me. When you consider the amount of data being transferred. I always look for the fastest cards I can, when I buy new cards. What are the true limits of the Z9 it appears it's write speed is faster than the cards that are available.
The information is provided in an easy to digest way, thanks. Next the actual refresh rate of the EVF, given the usual caveats about Nikon's dedicated EVF pipeline approach.
Awesome as always, my go to content for down to earth Nikon reviews and comments. Don't change anything!
Thank you ! 😊
Thanks for another great Z9 review. I haven't seen anyone else explain this kind of stuff more clearly.
Can't wait to see your breakdown of the different raw compression types!
Excellent video. Clear, concise, no room for vagueness. If you buy the fast cameras, you MUST buy the fast cards to fully make use of it. Simple and logical.
More broadly, it's crazy just what this camera (and presumably the flagships from others ) can do. 45mp files at 20fps for 80 frames and buffer clears in half a second or so!!? Astonishing, really.
I shared your inital Z9 video alot on my blog. Great work. :)
Thanks a lot ! 😊
i'm glad to see testing on the CF Express cards as i did have questions on which would perform better, i really apricate how you explain things, and have a unbiased attitude about it...you're quickly becoming my go to guy on all things Z9 . so thank you for these videos.
Ricci - you are my #1 go to for camera information - please keep these coming! Thanks so much for your stellar work!
Wow! You didn't rant once during this review. Imagine that! Thanks for the clarification. Always enjoy your videos. Well done!
Thank you so much for this information. It is refreshing to find someone who is fair, balanced and objective
Thank you for doing a proper test. This is why I wait for your videos instead of jumping at the first ones (pReviews)...
Finally a camera that my unborn grandson can inherit without worrying about shutter wear.. This is perfect..
Another great video. I've done some similar card testing on the Z6, Z7ii, and D850. My routine was to test for 35 seconds, and then to count the number of frames written in each full second using the EXIF data. What I found is all cards write at the frame rate for the first few seconds until the buffer fills. Once filled, the camera would shoot at the write speed of the card because the buffer needs to clear to allow space for an additional shot. Depending on the card, write speed with a full buffer was highly variable and could be quite slow.
In your test, it looks like the XQD card writes 13 frames in 1.5 seconds or around 9 fps, the Lexar CFExpress writes 41 frames in 3 seconds or around 13 fps, and the Delkin Black writes about 61 frames in 4 seconds or around 15 fps. That means the full buffer clears for the Delkin Black in 1.3 seconds. There are plenty of cards that are slower than the Lexar card. The ProGrade Gold was the slowest card I tested. Card size also makes a difference and smaller cards - especially 64 GB cards - are much slower.
One test I'd like to see is the write speed with a full buffer using lossless compressed. In testing the Z6 and Z7ii, I found the cards were exceptionally slow (less than 2 fps with the ProGrade Gold) when the buffer was full, and stayed at the slower speed until the buffer cleared fully.
Awesome, awesome videos. Facts is facts and thats what I appreciate. Less commentary and more facts.
Thank you so much for this methodically made video which clear all the doubts about the Z9 buffer issue.
Now the following takeaways,
1. Speed of the CF Express card is critical to get the best buffer performance
2. Camera does not give 1000 frames in lossless compressed.
3. Z9 give more than 1000 frames in High-efficiency Star with Delkin Black series CF Exp cards
4. Need a bit of clarification on the image quality between Lossless compressed and High-Efficiency Star.
If there is a negligible quality difference between Lossless compressed and High-Efficiency Star, then no worries, I will go ahead and buy for wildlife work.
Thanks again and looking forward to your next video on image quality.
Ricci if you carry on you will get a lot more than 30,000 subscribers.
You are my most trusted source for information on photography and Nikon in particular.
Keep going you are doing a great job.
Thanks that will shut a few up 👍🏻👍🏻
Great Video!!! And to think Sony Northrop stated on his “click bait “ video that everyone was mad !!! This is absolutely amazing performance!!!
The way to go is by short bursts . Anyone who has been interested in fast action/ wildlife will know how quickly you can fill the card needlessly , I know I have done so with my D5 and that was at 24 mpxs let alone 45 at 20 fps! The important factor is how quickly the buffer will clear and evidently it will do so in under 1-2 seconds. I think Nikon has knocked it out of the park with the Z9 as it is BUT there’s another HUGE thing coming in the driveway in the form of computational photography for HDR. I see a Bright future ahead as Nikon has done away with the mechanical shutter and there should be room for developing the system more towards that respect.
Ricci also knocked it out of the park with your videos, not just for the z9 but each and every single one since day one, hands down the best channel for photography. Thank you for your efforts mate great stuff.
Great video Ricci... Maybe that foolish angry photographer can stop spewing false facts about the Z9 now!
@Cameras, Clocks & Watches
He used to give good advice on lenses before he became a Fuji fanboy and a Nikon hater! He is a lost, lonely soul that went off the deep end with lots of anger issues 😉
Which angry photographer? Many are passive aggressive.
@@stanleynowak9325 Theoria and he also calls himself, not my words but his, the bald, fat tattoo guy!
That’s all he has now is “alternative facts”. He took a trip to coocoo land and decided to stay.
Good job Ricci, just what we all needed to know. Impressive how fast the buffer clears when it is full! Your Z9 coverage has been excellent , keep it going.
Thanks! 👍
The best camera review / explanation on the internet! Man you're good
Ricci, Thanks as always for being so transparent in your discussions. Great job as always. Really AWESOME job not only answering questions but anticipating the next ones. My question for you (which you said you were going to address at the end of your video) was exactly the one brought up in the UA-cam Video from TheCameraStoreTV Canada with Michelle Valberg and Nikon Canada's Chris Ogonek. As you are also aware, Chris said (paraphrasing) that "no one should be shooting in lossless compressed anymore, as high efficiency star is half the file size with minimal quality loss". Thank you for taking on that topic. Your channel has become one of my best and first sources of information on these topics.
Well done that clears up a lot of the confusion, and I think you hit the nail on the head regarding future cards being even faster(!) as to why the Z9 design is as it is.
“Don’t forget to eat” as my mother would say :-)
Finally a good video on the subject!
So that clears that buffer up! Thanks Ricci for the great content as usual.
Thank you for the informative video! And kudos to Nikon for choosing you to test and demonstrate the camera!I hope those who are criticizing the Z9 for the sake of criticism - in reality without even touching one! - would stop and learn some objectivity.
I'm a Sony shooter but I thought your video was great explaining and showing what this camera can do with the right cards. Good job
Excellent presentation as always, Ricci! I tend to place more credence in a reviewer such as yourself, who actually USE the product under test! (Unlike certain other reviewers that simply talk about the item, perhaps not having even used it, and spouting partial or total untruths, i.e., "The Z7 has only a 30 frame buffer". You've obviously shown definitively that this statement only applies to slower XQD cards and specific compression settings. Thank you sir!
Thanks Ricci! Great to hear that you are still planning to do non-Z9 themed videos! Best of luck!
As usual, excellent and transparent and clear. Thanks!!! My Z9 is ordered!
The delkin black 128gb cards have a minimum write speed of 1710 mb/s while the 512gb a write speed of 1405 mb/s could you try the 128gb to see if the buffer gets even bigger.
Best review again. You whoop the competitors. Thanks. No BS you go right to the education point. Never wasted my time.
Thank you so much Ricci! This test of yours just confirmed what I felt was the logical “issue” here. It also confirmed that I don’t have to look anywhere else for true and accurate information concerning everything Nikon. Your channel is all that I need to know what’s going on in the Nikon world. Thanks Ricci!
Excellent review. Clear, easily understood demonstration. Made me think back to the days when 'shutter counts' were important and were an indicator of the life expectancy of the digital body. With no mechanical shutter in the Z9, shutter counts would seem to be no longer relevant.
Thank you for a great job clearing up all the confusion around the Z9 buffer. Looking forward to your future videos on the Z9 and the new lenses.
An incredibly informative demonstration of the Z9 buffer. Really answers the questions I had and will help me in selecting cards to get. Thanks, Ricci!
Hi Ricci, your video on the Z9 buffer is absolutely clear. Thank you very much for providing us with accurate, precise and useful information. That’s great!
Thank you for a very transparent and informative video, Ricci! I already saw Matt Granger's video and knew right away that there must be some confusion on DP Review's part. It's just sad that haters are using DPR's expertise and their experience with whatever memory cards they tested as an opportunity to bash Nikon just for the sake of it. This is becoming so fanboyingly childish and tiring... Some people really need to find better things to do with their lives other than fueling tribal wars just for the sake of it!
Yes, I also think that a lot of the initial confusion stems from that first test video DPReview put out using any random card they had laying around. After that some people started to spread the idea that the capacity of a card should not even be an issue at all claiming that it’s all about an insufficiently sized buffer that’s causing premature choking. Now Ricci have put everything right again with this excellent video more or less confirming what the community of more intelligent commenters suspected was going on with this “issue”. Problem solved! The good thing about all this (unnecessary) confusion and noise is that now EVERYBODY knows that the name of the new king is Z9 and it’s made by Nikon.
For me, if I want to get relevant and correct information regarding everything Nikon I go to Ricci for that! No need for a second opinion even.
Subscribed! I've seen quite a few vids on the z9 but they don't go in depth like you do. Love this vid, thank you!
Loving these high quality detailed videos! Given how fast that buffer clears, I don't even think people who want lossless will have issues, because there's almost no situations where you hold your finger down for many seconds, its almost always bursts, even with wildlife action stuff.
Cheers Ricci. Your videos on the Z9 and 100-400 are the best on UA-cam. We’ve all seen the specs by now, but you go deep and show it all in real-time, no questions asked. Can’t wait to get the Z9 100-400 in my hands.
So, the best performance mainly depends on the Speed of CF EXPRESS.Which means the RAM inside Z9 is not so big indeed. Thanks a lot. A very useful test.
Thanks for this excellent test! Good to see that the buffer seem to clear extremely fast, ca. 1.5 seconds after hitting buffer limit with 81 lossless compressed raws :)
And doing the math on that it looks like the RAM buffer in camera is around 8GB. I no longer think I will have any issues at all with speed assuming the HE* RAW format is essentially perfect image quality. Nikon is finally killing it! And Ricci as usual doing the same!
Transparent, honest, factual, and no drama...subbed! Thank you.
Thank you for the much-needed video. I don't see how anyone can refute your results tho I do expect some to try. The sad fact is someone will try putting a Dollar Store card in this and say "See they lied to us".
Thanks for clearing up the negative results from certain Y tubers 👍
Nikon users don't spray and prey! We'll leave that to the Canon-users! Whilst you can take 120 frames per second, I think this will be more of a specialist angle. I can't see using more than 20 FPS and then rarely. My main motivation for possibly getting this camera would be bird photography. The Z6ii I have at present is the fastest frame rate camera I have ever had and I may have had it on continuous low sometimes. If I had a better birder lens I might have tried Canon-style spray and prey, but I don't, so I have to steer away from bird photography until I can get a longer lens. I really hope the 3D tracking makes it down to the Z6ii... * Looks at Ricci * - he's defo not going to answer that one! Great stuff Ricci and thanks for all your content.
Thanks for all your videos! Really appreciate it! Best Nikon gear channel on You Tube!
The test I’m dying to see is how the lossless raw of the Z9 compares the uncompressed raw of the Z7ii and even Z6ii in extreme dynamic range situations and low light, shadow recovery etc. Does the Z9 hold better than the Z7ii and Z6ii? If so Im selling both my Z6iis for a Z9. If the the Z6ii is still better in low light, which on paper it should be, I’ll have to keep one. If you could test that out, I’ll be eternally grateful. And Ricci, thank you so much for sharing all your knowledge. You are the best ressource for us Z shooters! It’s so appreciated! :)
Always great to have you bringing a clear un biased view of what Nikon is doing.
It is amazing to see that Nikon has basically designed the Z9 to have the data buss and processor be able to output at virtually unlimited speed. The only bottle neck is the medias write speed and capacity. WoW.
Thank you so so much for all your work and sharing.
So keen to watch the video on lossless versus high efficiency. These videos are fantastic. Thanks for them.
Thank you for this! I forgot to comment on the original z9 video but I appreciate it!! I'm no professional, but I'm so glad to see so many people excited for new Nikon products!!!
Forgot: At current time, I am more of the few shots/landscapes/macro guy so I don't usually need to fill up the buffers.
Thanks very much, such useful content. Really looking forward to seeing the Raw comparison and more detail on this.
Outstanding presentation. I have no intent to purchase this camera, but really enjoy the clear and forthright examination. Nikon is really lucky to have you as a reviewer.
Thank you so much for this video and acting quickly on the controversy around this buffer. This clears up the confusion a lot.
This was great Ricci! Insane how good the Delkin Black is.
Ricci great video. Hope that youtubers that didn`t hold the camera get the point.
This is the camera Nikon shooters have been waiting on!
Thank you. Excellent demonstration of the impact of memory card speed!
Great explanation on what causes the slower frame rates with the slower rated CF cards and PROOF that the camera will exceed frame rates with the higher speed CF cards!!! 👍👍
this man is doing God's work for Nikon
Great video, in the US we have some "Pro Grade" branded cards that appear to be close to the Delkin, btw love to see how much fun people will have edited a few thousand pics as there's still the practical issue of not overwhelming the human part of the work flow too much with just spraying and praying.
So true…
He did mention the Pro Grade Cobalt and classified them as Great. Other Pro Grade are slower.
Super review, I put the Delkin on my order, before I saw the last review of the cards I didn’t know about them
Many thanks Ricci, you deserve Nikon and us to trust you 👌
That's now an absolute. Well done Ricci. Great video, great confirmation to those who doubted.
Love your channel; great, straight-forward facts based information and recommendations without the BS! :) Seriously, thank you for your content. Beyond delighted to see that subscriber number climb for you! I ordered my Delkin Black cards for my coming Z9 based on your original Z9 video; and then this icing on the cake testing to confirm it was the rational purchase to make :) Not the first time, at all, that I've used your input as the final factor in my gear purchase decisions.
Can't wait to see how Ken is going to spin this one :P
The angry photo dude has become a petty conspiracy theorist. Use to love his channel but had to unsubscribe since he has stepped off the deep end.
He takes lovely 100 mega pixel horse skin images !!!!
@@joshuadupuis346 Kentucky will do that to a guy...
@@joshuadupuis346 It's not theories if they are proven to happen, but in terms of cameras his problem is that he clearly doesn't test things anymore (if he even did)
Thanks a lot. The Angry one didnt check the card type "his friend" used obviously. Wonder what he will have to say to that. Nothing I guess , you made him speechless😜
He only has imaginary friends in the industry.
The Angry photographer was correct....30 pics in Raw....you have to go and buy particular cards to get more frames......
And this is a channel that we photography lovers should watch when we want to get reliable information about photo equipment. Professional as always. I seriously think that Ricci should review also other companies' equipment. I really wish that every photography brand has their Ricci too. Thanks for additional coverage of this topic.
Thanks for making that clear. Guess everyone has listened as I notice these cards are in short supply, or on backorder. Thanks for your testing. Not sure what us or Nikon would do without you. Cheers
Super clear, thanks! I’m looking forward to the Nef quality comparisons etc.
Thank you for clearing that up. Incredible camera. Impressive!
You are the man Ricci! What about 8k video?? How many gb do we need?? And 4k 120?? Txs!
I love your very professional videos. Keep going and don’t change! I appreciate your professional reviews and tutorials.
My dream Team:
You, Ricci for the facts… and …
Matt Irwin for his enthusiasm.
You guys are so enjoyable!
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That was brilliant Ricci, thanks for your work. Greatly appreciated.
The Z9 is a beauty but it's not for me, I would simply never do it justice.
I look forward to all your videos which are probably the most honest and helpful I've seen.
Sincere thanks !
Great demo; useful info! The camera is as great as they come.