I thought the same thing, Other than putting a phone that's closer what else does the state need to do???? At some point people need to be responsible for themselves, and if you can't follow rules and simple directions and or use commen freaking sence then it's on you not the state. The government shouldn't have to walk around and put safety stickers and safety fences on everything in nature because people want to be reckless.
It’s not the fault of the state for not having emergency phones. Washington state has acres and acres of public land. There is only so much “the state” can do to protect people from dangerous situations in the wilderness. So sad that this happened.
There is only so much you can do to protect a family of 6, who are on vacation from California. That is a disaster waiting to happen, especially in the mountains.
True, but considering this is a very public and popular tourist attraction that draws huge crowds, it' a prime candidate for the placement of an emergency line. No one's expecting emergency phones every 100 yards throughout the whole state, but in places that are known public gathering (and out of personal mobile phone reach) it seems odd no emergency contingency was in place.
State: Puts up numerous warning signs telling people to stay out of the ice caves People: Actively choose to ignore the warning signs and enter the caves anyway Ice Caves: Collapse and kill/injure people who enter Narrator: This is a failure of the state... 🤔
I live by Lake Michigan. There are flags that signify lake conditions. Green means swimming, but be careful. Yellow, u can swim but be extra careful. Red means staying out of the water. Double red means STAY OUT OF THE WATER or face a $500 fine. I see people in the water while red or double red flags r flying. BTW, Lake Michigan accounts for 50٪ of all drownings of all the great lakes. U would think people would use caution. U can't fix stupid.
I notice that , in a lot of these disaster vids, the narrator seems quite reluctant to hold the "victims" accountable for their actions. Many of these stories involve people ignoring safety protocols, warning signs, equipment malfunctions or physical deterioration leading to the (predictable) "tragedy". Don't get me wrong, I love these videos and constantly watch them again and again because they are entertaining, it's just that one aspect of the storytelling that I can't agree with.
@@jimmywilde4768Yeah I agree this dude recounts stories well but he deals with the bitterness by blaming the circumstance way more than the people who CHOSE to go to dangerous places.
Tragedy can happen in the wild. What good does it do for someone who knows nothing of the situation to blame strangers for things like equipment malfunctions and running out of gas. The danger is part of the challenge. Not everybody enjoys life through a computer monitor. @@jimmywilde4768
Yes , we should never igmore our hearts and minds - the little inner voice that warns of impending danger/ bad things about to happen if we continue on our course, or it makes us feel good about good things. Docs are the most thoroughoghly in-doctr-inated to ignore their inner voice/ concience/ their hearts and monds in favor of their education, training, the mason brotherhood / luciferienism , and conforming to this evil world. They did what they were taught to do, they rebelled against their hearts and minds and in effect our creators, and they refused to listen to parents who boiced their bad feelings,,, and they paid the ultimate price. The wife did, and the hisband didn fare well either. Rob wasnt all that concerned about his wife when he went and summited without her. Bless his heart, Im sorry he got hurt like that.
blinded by trying to achieve a "kids" dream climbing up a mountain like that. They knew its very dangerous but they were numb to the fact what death means, now he knows the mountain is not playing, this what death feels like, was it worth loosing his wife to climb up a mountain and suffer emotionally everyday
He chose to leave her behind.....violated first rule of the US Army no less.... never leave your wife behind...or soldier...or anyone...Naturale Seleccion in my most obnoxious French accent :)
What bothers me about Everest climbing is that the companies who organise trips make massive amounts of money yet Shurpas are paid almost nothing even tho they do all the work and help rich people to stay safe.
If you pay a sherpa 20k, he wont have to work for 5 years, and there will be no sherpas to carry the capachino machines. Treat them mean, keap them kean. Nead a Sherpa UNION.
@@positivemasculinity42 right on. I heard sherpas make about $2,000 - $5,000 per trip. Ask yourself if you'll go to the bottom on the ocean in oceangate sub for $5,000
You realize rn 1 usd is worth over 100 Nepalese Rupee. I'm not saying it's a job worth doing but when you live in such poor conditions and some dude says hey I'll pay you $4,000 to climb up this mountain with me. Alot of people are gonna take that chance even if it's not a good one.
I have to admit I felt absolutely nothing when the husband from the first story was crying in the interview. I am empathetic so when someone is supposedly feeling strong loss and my eyes aren’t even close to watery something is fishy. Who knows how true any of that is or how much he really gives a crap.
I can’t say I “love” it, he’ll justifiably be haunted by it for the rest of his life, but I can hope incidents like this knock enough sense into some people so they reconsider their priorities. I mean, if there was a pill that might make you feel prouder and more accomplished, that gave you a bit more confidence, so that you were a little braver afterward, and opportunities came your way that maybe wouldn’t have otherwise, such that you made more money, had a higher lifestyle (and remember, if you can afford the trek, you’ve already got a pretty nice lifestyle), got to enjoy a few more of life’s pleasures over the rest of your life…but had a 10% chance of killing you, including by means that are unpredictable and over which you have no control, you have absolutely no control over, and that are unpredictable…would you take it?
Ice cave: not a failure of the state but a failure of the people going in. Now rescue have to risk their lives for people who will probable cause more trouble in the future
*some parts of Canada lol its pretty nuts how warm the arctic circle area is getting in the summer.. In Edmonton we have 30+ temps at the end of april before the snow melted LOL
@@talkinghead3169 First thing I'd do at the summit is have a blaze, then laugh at everyone thinking they were the highest you can ever get..I'd definitely be higher 🤣
Alaska! From all the places I've been lucky enough to visit, as much as it baffles everyone, Alaska is hands down my favourite and if ever given a choice to revisit anywhere I've been it would be there. The people, the scenery, the weather. I thought I left my heart in San Francisco untill I was lucky enough to go to Alaska.
@@cazc5200 did you travel through Canada? Just curious. I live in Edmonton (go oilers!😭) and have always wanted to roadtrip up to Alaska but thats a massive trip! Cheers ✌😎
That last story is so tough to listen to. You would think a climber of his prestige would have adequate equipment and probably sponsors to get him the money for it. Don’t know much about it but it seems like he worked until he had barely enough for his trips, which seems unusual for a climber that’s so damn good. RIP to a guy who lived it to the fullest man
I've read on a few different sites the Sherpas are paid between $2000 to $5000, with some of the most experienced and we'll known Sherpas earning much more, during the 3 month season. The regular wage in Nepal is around $550, per year.
What about you using your fancy cell phone are you putting tower climbers lives at risk? As a tower climber, no I don't think so. You are creating me a job ty.
Same exploitation as an average US wage slave in their dead end jobs. Sherpas get paid incredibly well compared to their peers, its why they do it. I would relate a sherpas pay to that of a 1st world underwater welder or oil rig worker, extremely hard and dangerous job, but paid like 100-200 dollars an hour.
Everyone is responsible for their own safety. Know the risks, mitigate them as much as possible, but ultimately the choice to proceed is on you yourself.
I’m sorry but climbers are so selfish. Rob would rather summit Everest than save his wife, people would rather leave their children orphaned just to climb a mountain. I have - hard time with sympathy for the climbers who pass away here, but a lot of sympathy for the ones they left behind.
It is NOT A FAILURE OF THE STATE! Use your common sense..there were warnings! Using common sense is key. When is it responsibility of the person? Also, phone coverage and providing it is not the responsibility of the state for remote places some areas are too far away. Seriously!
Right according to this guy. The state should put phones everywhere? At what point is it just the parents fault? Like wtf!!! Parents get no blame these days it's gross. It's 100% on the parents for ignoring the safety signs and going where there not supposed to
Washington State recorded its highest number of traffic deaths in 33 years in 2023. Preliminary data from the Washington Traffic Safety Commission (WTSC) indicates that there were 810 traffic fatalities last year, a 10% increase from 2022.
I was LITERALLY about to comment the same thing 🙌 Fully grown adults chose to put themselves and their children in harms way; the state is NOT responsible for that level of stupidity
That's crazy the stories I hear peoples leaving their own to die just to make it on top the mountain it's sad I would never leave anyone behind 💯 that's just crazy a life over a mountain crazy crazy
It is up to adults to accept their responsibility. The state did not have those kids or lead them into danger. I admit as a single adult with no one relying on me, I have a few cousins who I have not ever met or whose names I do not know. I do take risks that I would not consider if I had family or close friends. I also do not do things spur of moment, I sail ,canoe , kayak, rock climb with a club, hike and camp etc. I wear a helmet and have extra safety gear most people do not bother with. I know it is much safer to have a partner, but I do not. When I white water canoe in early spring I have a full wet suit, boots to protect my feet, gloves and a quality helmet, and a craft designed for the conditions. If I get into trouble and can not save myself I will die. I also have 50 yrs of training and experience and am a retired instructor in these fields. The only thing I have reluctantly given up is downhill skiing. I still teach cross country skiing to elementary students in the city parks. I like that you show the worst that can happen, and it often happens to those without the needed skills and experience. Also if you do not have the self control to turn back on time or if the weather suddenly changes you have no business having others risk their lives for you.
Im so confused by the position that the state should do more about the ice caves to prevent deaths of people who choose to take risks even when they are warned/know the dangers -on THIS particular channel. You tell stories of people losing their lives bc they chose to do a highly risky activity. The only way to be certain no deaths will occur when doing a risky activity is to prevent people from doing the activity.
"Summit Fever" - When ones mind's desire is so overwhelming that your own death, or the death of others becomes insignificant. A point where you will literally "step over" climbers that lie dying on the path in order to achieve your glory on the summit. The Everest of self involved vanity.
I find your criticism of Washington State, in regard to Big Four Ice Caves safety, to be inappropriate and rather offensive. If people wish to enter Wilderness areas but disregard their own personal safety, ignoring posted rules and warnings, then any fault is simply their own stupidity.
This (first?) story is absolutely nuts. When I was a little girl my mom and I had a conversation about looking up. - I constantly rail at people about eyes "up" as in on the trail & throughout your horizon to always have a general idea of where you are and what the land is like -- but damn. UP due to falling ice on a hike WITH KIDS. Are you kidding me? Just nuts. And heartbreaking for those who didn't have a freaking sign there. Oh my gosh those poor kids, and families.
Tragedy & heart breakong. However I believe It depends on the kiddo & if they have strong sense of fear. Also I'm not blaming the parents at all, but hell no I'd NEVER let my babe ubder that ice or in the cave. I ALWAYS head ANY warnings in any adventure outside to a place I do not know. My heart breaks for them. I know the parents are devastated beyond words. I don't blame them. They need much stronger warnings and signs & maybe fences. It's beyond unfortunate. And no one's at fault. But always take saftey into your own hands. Accidents are called accidents cause no one expects it to happen. Just never ever take it too far. Especially with kids. You dont need that unique pic. You don't need that special moment. You ONLY need to be safe.
It isn’t the governments job to think for people or keep every individual safe. Unfortunately, people stop thinking because the government supposed to take care of them. If one is going to take the risk of going to a out of the way place and take the risk of going into a ice cave…that’s a risk they take…wouldn’t have caught me going into a melting ice cave! People need to start assessing the wrist and don’t rely on the government to save them. I doubt most wouldn’t have given notice to signs warning them, as we’ve seen over and over again.
If you ignore the big sign that says "If you enter the ice cave you can die" Its on you. No one else is to blame. Its your life. Do as you please. But dont you dare blame anyone or anything but yourself.
Hi I really love your channel but the volume in court needs to be twice as loud. I tried headphones and they are on full but still have trouble. Thanks for your content and your great sense of humor!
There hasn't been a single tragic death in mountaineering. If you are risking your life for adventure and to feed your ego, anything bad that happens to you is just part of the game.
There is no tragic car accident. Of you were willing to get into a metal death machine and drive it at speeds humans we're not supposed to move at, it's really your fault. And if you get hit by one, that's also your fault, why are you around them in the first place?
Love terror twin hope he continues making these awesome vids and ill always watch right before i knock out every night. Keep up the great content brotha
The people that climbed these peaks back in the day, i mean back in the day, they did it without all this equipment thats available today. No Oxygen tanks. No helmets, much less shields. 😮. Naw them old-school Cats WERE raw AF.
Im not judging anyone I just feel it's selfish to attempt something so deadly especially for the sake of a family trip. There are too many other things and places to share that you will all be able to enjoy afterwards and not mourn.
@@reidherndon9086 Driving a car is not really avoidable in a lot of cases. We need to drive to get to our workplace and to buy food. Climbing mountains on the other hand, is totally avoidable....
Since I'm early hopefully you see this, as a climber myself (biggest one was Denali) do you have any remote interest in climbing? Always wondered haha. Anyways, dude, I love your videos and keep crushing it my man!
Absolutely haha! I have attempted to convince a family member to train for some easy climbs! I would love to one day be able to take on a beast like Denali!
Wow! Hats of to you! What an amazing experience that must of been and what a great story to be and to tell or just to drop in randomly in a conversation! It's good to here a success story as people in the comments seem to think everyone dies! Well done for not becoming the next video lol Have you any more planned?
@Terror Twin do it man! Start small and feel those rewards. So many people you run into in the mountains are the nicest, selfless (mainly, obviously there's the self admitted egotistical climbers, Rienhold etc) and most determined people you'll ever meet. Denali tested me to my limits in every imaginable way. But that feeling on top of North America is something I cannot express. Cheers, mate, and thanks for your videos! I will do everything in my power to not be featured in any of them though haha
@Caz C thanks my dude! I try not to be that cocky climber and bring it up all the time, really only brought it up here cause I was curious if Terror had any interest. But yea if a climber or amateur hiker asks me ill tell ya everything about it. The glaciers, Jesus christ, the glaciers were the absolute worst. Our next plan is to get our second of the seven summits done by getting Kilimanjaro done. Couldn't be more opposite in our planning of this one haha
We are not promised the next heartbeat. Live life like it's the last beat. Enjoy the moment. No matter how you go. ...live well. These folks all knew the risk. They lived well.
Big Four Ice Cave - Yes blame the missing signs or missing landlines ... How sad it may be, Darwin at its best. Unprepared, unknowledgeable, badly equipped, ...
Rob didn't love Maria. If he had loved her, he would have walked her back down to Camp 2 and tried another day. He makes me angry with his sobbing. He had a choice. And his choice says a LOT about WHAT he truly is. He has no moral fiber. He could have tried Everest another day. But he can NEVER get his wife back. I can't stand these selfish narcissists who say they love someone, yet, when the time comes to prove that love, they fail every time. He killed his wife. Period. His actions proved he loves no one. She was his responsibility. He failed Maria, thus proving to the world what a POS he is.
I disagree. He has morality, otherwise he wouldn't be crying over the loss of his wife. He made the poor decision of continuing the trek because that is simply human nature, we strive for the feeling of completion and success as a species, and it is something so primal that it would outweigh many logical decisions that he could have made... Also note the lack of oxygen at that altitude and how it can impair motor function & decision making. Before you call someone a POS, you should at least try to understand their perspective a bit better.
@@koneeche yeah we dont know how much high altitude was affecting them..they may have deviated from their plan. I still have sympathy for the man as he will probably never forgive himself and will live with that til he dies. 😢
@@SACREDFlREA lot of people here do. Either that or they have a serious lack of intelligence. Easy to be captain hindsight. The due was probably oxygen starved and didn't understand the ramifications of his actions. Everyone thinks they're the main character of their story until they realize they are not. "My wife won't die, that's not even a possibility" is how this actually happens.
You can't legislate complete safety for human beings. When you ignore warning signs you are responsible for the consequences. Parks don't put those up just to curtail fun.
@10:05 in the video, the shot of the mountain peaks having their snow violently blown off into huge cloudlike structures is a visual treat as well as measuring stick!
Seeing that dude cry makes me angry, honestly. He made the choice to leave his wife when she was sick and needed his help to get to safety immediately. Who leaves their partner behind in a place literally named "Death Zone"? I am surprised he was not investigated for this, it is failure to provide assistance at the very least. Like leaving your injured spouse in the ditch after a car accident to hike to your destination and back real quick before you help them. He got exactly what he wanted so now he better be happy about it, else she died completely in vain. Ugh. These don't normally get to me but that one made me mad.
Yeah bad shit! She was metres away from the summit so to turn back tells me just how unwell she must have been. If he made it to the summit and caught up with her had he just stayed with her, he obviously had the strength to of got her down faster. Then to say it meant nothing getting to the summit without her??? Yeah leave a climbing partner, that's just how it foes up there, but your wife?!?! Absolutely not.
@@hazel_moore-1989 that happens when your ego is so strong it doesnt allow you to feel sympathy for others. The very least he could do is recognize that he likely sealed her fate and warn others not to be so irresponsible.
I agree. She sacrificed her autonomy to follow his dreams and it cost her her life. He didn't care that he summitted alone - he would have stayed with her if he had wanted her more than summiting. I bet it wasn't the first time he pushed her to do his thing and not take care of herself, but she knew that, and put his interests ahead of her own.
@@elipotter369 who knows? She isnt around to tell her side of the story. Maybe she begged him for help and he went "brb, gotta summit real quick" Wich is why I'm surprised the situation wasn't investigated. If you fail to help your wife who is actively dying to finish your hobby project and later tell police you asked and she was okay with it... I dont think police would go "Oh, okay, she clearly wanted to sacrifice herself for this, sorry for your loss"
@@LieseLotte471 there are a lot of small potential clues: in all the photos, she is leaning/draped/clinging to him instead of standing upright herself. He's ramrod straight. She only took up a "love" of the outdoors after she met him with his obsession for it. She put him first, with you go ahead - assuming that's even true. He ignored people's pleas to not go on when his wife wasn't coping at camp 4...etc. Also, she was heavily into toxic positivity- manifesting for successfully doing Everest, never stop trying,... People like that aren't quite facing reality. Her mother was uneasy... Just my observations and opinions, but you're right, we're not seeing their relationship first hand. There are just so many female/male relationships that have that dominant male/compliant female dynamic going on though.
There is no failure by the state. The state does not need to supply a closer phone. The state is not responsible to make the outdoors risk free. It’s up to people to decide what risks to take. And there can be 10000 warning signs. Or none. Do you know how the caves can be made safe ? Demolish them. Also, fill in all the lakes and rivers, level the cliffs, and burn down the trees so no one climbs them.
Right if I had some strange desire to pay 100k to do this life gamble. Then I would never do so with my wife, mother, father, son, brother, sister, ect. It's to risky it's like bringing your loved ones to shoot IV drugs it's a life gamble for a thrill.
I live by Lake Michigan. Some winters large portion of the lake will freeze. I see people walking on the ice. I want to scream at them for their stupidity. People don't stop and think. If the ice breaks, u will fall into the lake. No one will be able to get to u in time to save u. People stop and think.
So he leaves his wife, not well, just so he could get to the summit, that's not a man that's a loser. She didnt make it, I hope he never forgets what he did, loser
It amazes me how a cimbers brains work. They believe people who dont climb are wasting their lives doing nothing while they themselves accomplish nothig beneficial climbing dangerous places, wasting their lives and they dont even see the irony. I honestly dont feel sorry or sad when i watch these videos!
I have so little respect for mountaineers at this point but all the respect for their "support staff" and rescue workers. They are doing the extreme things - the so called impossible or monumental tasks - on the regular and they don't get the glory. They are the real heros
I just wanted to say that I have watched ALOT of videos on such things and I feel like yours seem to be told with a hell of a lot more care towards who they were both as climbers and as people and it’s greatly appreciated my dude! It’s obvious that you have great respect for all of the people that you feature in your videos! 😉👍
There are just too many people up there who really shouldnt be. People who believe having enough money to get up there is justified despite having little or no experience. Even for those who are qualified , experienced, aclimatized ( either naturally like the sherpas or through a rigorous acclimatization process)it is a huge risk, H.A.P.E. & H.A.C.E, Avalanches, rockfalls, storms and the Khumba ice-fall is indiscriminate and there ready to wipe out anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time. So when you get thrill seekers with more money than sense they should be made to sign a waiver of responsibilty so they dont put others in danger just to get themselves out of trouble.
The 1939 climb..what a cluster f. Unbelievable how stupid and careless it was decided to remove the essentials from the advanced camps..Laural and Hardy came to mind..
In Maori culture we believe mountains are our ancestors and we treat them like people with high esteem and great respect we never go into areas we are told by our ancestors not to go
you know the risks of driving a car but a car accident, even at your fault, is considered tragic. Have a shred of empathy. Maybe theres family that still cares about you
Not a failure of the state at all. Make bad choices, bad things happen. Some people should stay in the city. Some people have to ruin it for everyone 🙄.
So many strange things can happen. Back in the '70s, I forget exactly what year, six German tourists were hiking in Yosemite valley when a large boulder fell and killed them all. Imagine that, saving for the vacation, planning the vacation, preparing for vacation, finally getting to go where you always want to go and you're killed by a boulder
The last story in 1939 is wild . I’d love to see a movie . How they were able to accomplish so much with that old school gear is beyond me . I feel like the story is deeper . There was resentment among the group . Why would your comrades just simply take the Serpa’s word for it without checking anything further . Who abandons camp and packs up with out a legit head count or confirmation . It seems like they all said to hell with it by that point
Sure, maybe a landline emergency phone at a popular tourist destination should have been installed but at the same time the people should not have been in that ice cave in the first place. They ignored all the signs that were put up telling them to NOT enter the ice cave and put their own lives and that of their families at risk themselves. There is only so much a state can do to prevent stupidity other than completely closing off the area and even then stupid will find a way 🤷♀️ Also, not sure if any lives would have been saved by a closer landline phone as the deaths that occured seem to have been instantanious 🤔
Your making this guy a hero, he was stupid for risking his life so foolishly and praised for cheating death. Spending tons of his familys money chasing a sick dream. And now leaving his family alone all for bragging rights, doesn't sound like a hero to me just a selfish man with off the wall dreams and abandoning his responsibilities to his family.
Re: story about the ice cave: People aren’t going to vote for higher taxes for state park infrastructure improvements, which this would require bc despite “How you feel”, who’s going to pay for it? That stuff ain’t free. Therefore, the politicians they vote for aren’t going to install anything until someone is killed and the public needs someone to blame other than themselves. That is how governments everywhere operate. No one wants to pay for someone who won’t understand to stay out of where they’ve been told not to go.
I am sorry, but I have no sympathy for Annalisa and her family or ANYONE who were un-alived and wounded in that ice cave. They ALL ignored the signs using the stupid excuse "Well, they are doing it!" No one but themselves are at fault. You cannot blame the state for not having a phone closer. It is not in anyway the fault of the state or anyone but THEMSELVES for putting not only their life in danger but the lives of their children. Also, it was extremely obvious that the situation was highly unsafe. THE ICE WAS LITERALLY MELTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM!!! No, I have no sympathy for any if them except the children who trusted their parents!
''changes that are needed'' COMMONSENSE springs to mind. Washington Caves
I thought the same thing, Other than putting a phone that's closer what else does the state need to do???? At some point people need to be responsible for themselves, and if you can't follow rules and simple directions and or use commen freaking sence then it's on you not the state. The government shouldn't have to walk around and put safety stickers and safety fences on everything in nature because people want to be reckless.
Your explanation of the 1939 attempt to reach the top of K2 is by far the best.
It’s not the fault of the state for not having emergency phones. Washington state has acres and acres of public land. There is only so much “the state” can do to protect people from dangerous situations in the wilderness.
So sad that this happened.
Especially when there were signs saying not to go in the cave and common sense says not to go in a melting ice structure on a summer day.
There is only so much you can do to protect a family of 6, who are on vacation from California. That is a disaster waiting to happen, especially in the mountains.
Rarely does anyone weigh the risks of their actions, or prepare for them.
True, but considering this is a very public and popular tourist attraction that draws huge crowds, it' a prime candidate for the placement of an emergency line. No one's expecting emergency phones every 100 yards throughout the whole state, but in places that are known public gathering (and out of personal mobile phone reach) it seems odd no emergency contingency was in place.
@@enigmadrath1780why don’t they close off the entreance?
State: Puts up numerous warning signs telling people to stay out of the ice caves
People: Actively choose to ignore the warning signs and enter the caves anyway
Ice Caves: Collapse and kill/injure people who enter
Narrator: This is a failure of the state...
🤔
Seriously… it’s not the state’s responsibility to bubble-wrap the entire planet.
For real!
Right?! Plus common sense would tell you that 80degrees temps plus ice = MELT. C'mon people 😮
I live by Lake Michigan. There are flags that signify lake conditions. Green means swimming, but be careful. Yellow, u can swim but be extra careful. Red means staying out of the water. Double red means STAY OUT OF THE WATER or face a $500 fine. I see people in the water while red or double red flags r flying. BTW, Lake Michigan accounts for 50٪ of all drownings of all the great lakes. U would think people would use caution. U can't fix stupid.
For real, this is stupid.
shittons of warning signs, and people still goes into the cave.
Responsibility begins at home. The parents were telling their children that it was ok to ignore warning signs.
I notice that , in a lot of these disaster vids, the narrator seems quite reluctant to hold the "victims" accountable for their actions. Many of these stories involve people ignoring safety protocols, warning signs, equipment malfunctions or physical deterioration leading to the (predictable) "tragedy".
Don't get me wrong, I love these videos and constantly watch them again and again because they are entertaining, it's just that one aspect of the storytelling that I can't agree with.
@@jimmywilde4768Tragedy just means unhappy ending, and at the very least the ending is unhappy for them.
@@jimmywilde4768Yeah I agree this dude recounts stories well but he deals with the bitterness by blaming the circumstance way more than the people who CHOSE to go to dangerous places.
Tragedy can happen in the wild. What good does it do for someone who knows nothing of the situation to blame strangers for things like equipment malfunctions and running out of gas. The danger is part of the challenge. Not everybody enjoys life through a computer monitor. @@jimmywilde4768
Yes , we should never igmore our hearts and minds - the little inner voice that warns of impending danger/ bad things about to happen if we continue on our course, or it makes us feel good about good things.
Docs are the most thoroughoghly in-doctr-inated to ignore their inner voice/ concience/ their hearts and monds in favor of their education, training, the mason brotherhood / luciferienism , and conforming to this evil world. They did what they were taught to do, they rebelled against their hearts and minds and in effect our creators, and they refused to listen to parents who boiced their bad feelings,,, and they paid the ultimate price. The wife did, and the hisband didn fare well either.
Rob wasnt all that concerned about his wife when he went and summited without her. Bless his heart, Im sorry he got hurt like that.
22:50 - not the states job to prevent every kind of accident a person making a dumb decision could create.
No need to do anything.
I like your empathetic storytelling. Makes a positive difference.
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What an NPC comment
Rob: I just can't look at any pictures of her, it breaks my heart
Also Rob: I look at my summit photos all the time
Seriously, we would have gone back, if it were my old lady. Actually, my old lady is not coming anyways.
blinded by trying to achieve a "kids" dream climbing up a mountain like that. They knew its very dangerous but they were numb to the fact what death means, now he knows the mountain is not playing, this what death feels like, was it worth loosing his wife to climb up a mountain and suffer emotionally everyday
He chose to leave her behind.....violated first rule of the US Army no less.... never leave your wife behind...or soldier...or anyone...Naturale Seleccion in my most obnoxious French accent :)
@@chefjames3361 I have a feeling thst wasnt his only bad choice in life...Viva la Naturale Seleccion !!!
They probably weren't thinking very straight too, being in the death zone.SAD
"Eagles soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines" - Dilbert.
Parents disregarding warning signs and bringing their kids along are just on another level of stupid. Very sorry for the kids.
What bothers me about Everest climbing is that the companies who organise trips make massive amounts of money yet Shurpas are paid almost nothing even tho they do all the work and help rich people to stay safe.
alot of them are ran by locals and they still pay the same.
If you pay a sherpa 20k, he wont have to work for 5 years, and there will be no sherpas to carry the capachino machines. Treat them mean, keap them kean. Nead a Sherpa UNION.
@@positivemasculinity42 right on. I heard sherpas make about $2,000 - $5,000 per trip.
Ask yourself if you'll go to the bottom on the ocean in oceangate sub for $5,000
You realize rn 1 usd is worth over 100 Nepalese Rupee. I'm not saying it's a job worth doing but when you live in such poor conditions and some dude says hey I'll pay you $4,000 to climb up this mountain with me. Alot of people are gonna take that chance even if it's not a good one.
@@jaye156 I get it.
21:04 I don’t think it’s the State’s job to put phones at every beautiful, remote, dangerous location people go to.
I have to admit I felt absolutely nothing when the husband from the first story was crying in the interview. I am empathetic so when someone is supposedly feeling strong loss and my eyes aren’t even close to watery something is fishy. Who knows how true any of that is or how much he really gives a crap.
Love the fact that Rob would rather get to the peak than make sure his wife was safe!
Classic selfishness of the narcissist.
Mountain climbers seem to embody selfishness, narcissism, callousness and indifference. Seems to be the common thread in almost all of them.
@@10191927as a mountaineer… can confirm
It disgusted me hearing he left her. I have no other words, honestly.
I can’t say I “love” it, he’ll justifiably be haunted by it for the rest of his life, but I can hope incidents like this knock enough sense into some people so they reconsider their priorities. I mean, if there was a pill that might make you feel prouder and more accomplished, that gave you a bit more confidence, so that you were a little braver afterward, and opportunities came your way that maybe wouldn’t have otherwise, such that you made more money, had a higher lifestyle (and remember, if you can afford the trek, you’ve already got a pretty nice lifestyle), got to enjoy a few more of life’s pleasures over the rest of your life…but had a 10% chance of killing you, including by means that are unpredictable and over which you have no control, you have absolutely no control over, and that are unpredictable…would you take it?
Everything could be fine 1 minute and all hell could break loose lol great writing lol
Ice cave: not a failure of the state but a failure of the people going in. Now rescue have to risk their lives for people who will probable cause more trouble in the future
Oh! A mountaineering accident compilation! My favourite!!!!! Irresistible.
I cant believe i didn t see this 4 weeks ago!! Couch mountaineer life 🤘😂
Just wanted to let you know that although Canada is synonymous with cold, our summer months provide us with balmy warm temperatures reaching 35C.
*some parts of Canada lol its pretty nuts how warm the arctic circle area is getting in the summer.. In Edmonton we have 30+ temps at the end of april before the snow melted LOL
Some people are born to do this and some are not, but the problem is some people find out - high up on these mountains - when it is too late!
At 7:15 I was like "you call that 'close' 😳??? Im guessing Im not cut out for mountaineering 😂
@@poutinedream5066 I like to get high, but in a completely different way 😁
@@talkinghead3169 First thing I'd do at the summit is have a blaze, then laugh at everyone thinking they were the highest you can ever get..I'd definitely be higher 🤣
More often than not, it's just preparation, not what ever you are born to do this.
Its an exercise in vanity. A rich person's way of masturbation.
You tell these stories so well. Thank you for sharing. Top notch. Top notch.
❤ these all being together. In alaska when it hits 30 and the suns out, we get out
Alaska! From all the places I've been lucky enough to visit, as much as it baffles everyone, Alaska is hands down my favourite and if ever given a choice to revisit anywhere I've been it would be there. The people, the scenery, the weather. I thought I left my heart in San Francisco untill I was lucky enough to go to Alaska.
@@cazc5200 did you travel through Canada? Just curious. I live in Edmonton (go oilers!😭) and have always wanted to roadtrip up to Alaska but thats a massive trip! Cheers ✌😎
@@dana102083Just start driving
That last story is so tough to listen to. You would think a climber of his prestige would have adequate equipment and probably sponsors to get him the money for it. Don’t know much about it but it seems like he worked until he had barely enough for his trips, which seems unusual for a climber that’s so damn good. RIP to a guy who lived it to the fullest man
shame, those poor sherpas. i always get the sense that they get exploited😞
Definitely. Although, I've heard that they are paid better than they used to be.
I've read on a few different sites the Sherpas are paid between $2000 to $5000, with some of the most experienced and we'll known Sherpas earning much more, during the 3 month season. The regular wage in Nepal is around $550, per year.
What about you using your fancy cell phone are you putting tower climbers lives at risk? As a tower climber, no I don't think so. You are creating me a job ty.
They choose to do it though
Same exploitation as an average US wage slave in their dead end jobs. Sherpas get paid incredibly well compared to their peers, its why they do it. I would relate a sherpas pay to that of a 1st world underwater welder or oil rig worker, extremely hard and dangerous job, but paid like 100-200 dollars an hour.
Rob may as well come to terms with the idea that a choice he made in selfishness ultimately led to his wife's death.
Everyone is responsible for their own safety. Know the risks, mitigate them as much as possible, but ultimately the choice to proceed is on you yourself.
I’m sorry but climbers are so selfish. Rob would rather summit Everest than save his wife, people would rather leave their children orphaned just to climb a mountain. I have - hard time with sympathy for the climbers who pass away here, but a lot of sympathy for the ones they left behind.
Read” into thin air”by John krakaur first hand account of doomed Everest tours. Tragic
i knew people died climbing mountains and walking into caves but never knew they enter a melting ice cave in the summer, i just dont get it
It is NOT A FAILURE OF THE STATE! Use your common sense..there were warnings! Using common sense is key. When is it responsibility of the person? Also, phone coverage and providing it is not the responsibility of the state for remote places some areas are too far away. Seriously!
Thank you. Exactly. Every man and woman on their own.with all the training and being told exactly that
Right according to this guy. The state should put phones everywhere? At what point is it just the parents fault? Like wtf!!! Parents get no blame these days it's gross. It's 100% on the parents for ignoring the safety signs and going where there not supposed to
Washington State recorded its highest number of traffic deaths in 33 years in 2023. Preliminary data from the Washington Traffic Safety Commission (WTSC) indicates that there were 810 traffic fatalities last year, a 10% increase from 2022.
I was LITERALLY about to comment the same thing 🙌 Fully grown adults chose to put themselves and their children in harms way; the state is NOT responsible for that level of stupidity
That's crazy the stories I hear peoples leaving their own to die just to make it on top the mountain it's sad I would never leave anyone behind 💯 that's just crazy a life over a mountain crazy crazy
It is up to adults to accept their responsibility. The state did not have those kids or lead them into danger. I admit as a single adult with no one relying on me, I have a few cousins who I have not ever met or whose names I do not know. I do take risks that I would not consider if I had family or close friends. I also do not do things spur of moment, I sail ,canoe , kayak, rock climb with a club, hike and camp etc. I wear a helmet and have extra safety gear most people do not bother with. I know it is much safer to have a partner, but I do not. When I white water canoe in early spring I have a full wet suit, boots to protect my feet, gloves and a quality helmet, and a craft designed for the conditions. If I get into trouble and can not save myself I will die. I also have 50 yrs of training and experience and am a retired instructor in these fields. The only thing I have reluctantly given up is downhill skiing. I still teach cross country skiing to elementary students in the city parks. I like that you show the worst that can happen, and it often happens to those without the needed skills and experience. Also if you do not have the self control to turn back on time or if the weather suddenly changes you have no business having others risk their lives for you.
You put so much effort and time into your videos. You deserve more recognition
People are crazy. There is a tragic story of a father who wanted to take a photo of his 5 y old daughter feeding a banana to a bear.
Lzzzzzz
Wait... wha?!?!?!?!?! 😮😮
Im so confused by the position that the state should do more about the ice caves to prevent deaths of people who choose to take risks even when they are warned/know the dangers -on THIS particular channel. You tell stories of people losing their lives bc they chose to do a highly risky activity. The only way to be certain no deaths will occur when doing a risky activity is to prevent people from doing the activity.
True but then we wouldn’t have confirmation that ppl like us who stay on flat land aren’t lazy…we just like stayin alive!! 👍🤣🤣😎
You think telling people no is going to stop them from doing what they love to do?
On a long enough timeline, everyone's chances of survival goes to zero.
Yes, but...
Thank you Tyler Durden.
Your chances are alot less if you are stupid.
Wow what a helpful comment 🙄
I love climbing and I love this channel!❤ But these stories are SO sad!😢
They're not sad for me, who doesn't climb. I speak for all people who don't climb!
"Summit Fever" - When ones mind's desire is so overwhelming that your own death, or the death of others becomes insignificant. A point where you will literally "step over" climbers that lie dying on the path in order to achieve your glory on the summit. The Everest of self involved vanity.
I find your criticism of Washington State, in regard to Big Four Ice Caves safety, to be inappropriate and rather offensive. If people wish to enter Wilderness areas but disregard their own personal safety, ignoring posted rules and warnings, then any fault is simply their own stupidity.
Shut up karen
That’s not the purpose of government. They are here to help and protect - even the stupid
The blame game aye..
It's summer in the Philippines right now, but I got colds watching this.
Any rich man can climb Everest but only real climbers attempt K2
k2 is becoming everest again
I like these compilations. The individual stories often don't have enough detail to be long form - at least to maintain my interest.
“The pair became inseparable”....obviously and demonstrably NOT! (Nothing says love like abandoning your wife while in a summit frenzy, I guess...
This (first?) story is absolutely nuts. When I was a little girl my mom and I had a conversation about looking up. - I constantly rail at people about eyes "up" as in on the trail & throughout your horizon to always have a general idea of where you are and what the land is like -- but damn. UP due to falling ice on a hike WITH KIDS. Are you kidding me? Just nuts. And heartbreaking for those who didn't have a freaking sign there. Oh my gosh those poor kids, and families.
Tragedy & heart breakong. However I believe It depends on the kiddo & if they have strong sense of fear.
Also I'm not blaming the parents at all, but hell no I'd NEVER let my babe ubder that ice or in the cave. I ALWAYS head ANY warnings in any adventure outside to a place I do not know.
My heart breaks for them. I know the parents are devastated beyond words. I don't blame them.
They need much stronger warnings and signs & maybe fences.
It's beyond unfortunate. And no one's at fault. But always take saftey into your own hands. Accidents are called accidents cause no one expects it to happen.
Just never ever take it too far. Especially with kids. You dont need that unique pic. You don't need that special moment. You ONLY need to be safe.
It isn’t the governments job to think for people or keep every individual safe. Unfortunately, people stop thinking because the government supposed to take care of them. If one is going to take the risk of going to a out of the way place and take the risk of going into a ice cave…that’s a risk they take…wouldn’t have caught me going into a melting ice cave! People need to start assessing the wrist and don’t rely on the government to save them. I doubt most wouldn’t have given notice to signs warning them, as we’ve seen over and over again.
There were warning signs everywhere...they just chose to ignore them
I can't believe my dad took us, ages 8 and 6, up to the top of Half Dome in Yosemite. I wouldn't think of taking my kids up that mountain.
Great marathon!
Been looking forward to this video ❤️
Many internally already ill people, who are getting also visibly ill from an altitude of 8,000 meters on.
Sad, but true !
If you ignore the big sign that says
"If you enter the ice cave you can die"
Its on you. No one else is to blame.
Its your life. Do as you please.
But dont you dare blame anyone or anything but yourself.
“It was a no-brainer to go to the Ice Caves.” That’s a good one. So if Maria died from summit fever, did Analisa die from nadir fever?
No no, she's got a point. It does, after all, require absolutely zero thought to decide to go to an ice cave in that circumstance.
You do a great job telling stories! That '39 k2 story was tragic!
Was summitting Everest worth it, Robert? Who sent for her body that you left behind?
Hi I really love your channel but the volume in court needs to be twice as loud. I tried headphones and they are on full but still have trouble. Thanks for your content and your great sense of humor!
There hasn't been a single tragic death in mountaineering.
If you are risking your life for adventure and to feed your ego, anything bad that happens to you is just part of the game.
Well, the rescuers and Sherpas are tragic
There is no tragic car accident. Of you were willing to get into a metal death machine and drive it at speeds humans we're not supposed to move at, it's really your fault. And if you get hit by one, that's also your fault, why are you around them in the first place?
Love terror twin hope he continues making these awesome vids and ill always watch right before i knock out every night. Keep up the great content brotha
Thank you for the compliments! You are too kind!
props to washington state for not putting some ugly fence up or something. With all those warning signs, it's a great filter for common sense
I’ve subscribed, your show is awesome!!
The people that climbed these peaks back in the day, i mean back in the day, they did it without all this equipment thats available today. No Oxygen tanks. No helmets, much less shields. 😮. Naw them old-school Cats WERE raw AF.
Ummmm what time frame are we talking about? They were using oxygen Back in the teens and 20s…🙄🤷🏼♀️ So.
Yes they definitely were bad ass ❤
@@6Haunted-Days dude. Go play with your crayons, and let grown people talk.
Im not judging anyone I just feel it's selfish to attempt something so deadly especially for the sake of a family trip. There are too many other things and places to share that you will all be able to enjoy afterwards and not mourn.
Agree completely. I'm very sorry it happened, but it was foreseeable.
Wear a seatbelt and stop drinking soda
@@reidherndon9086 Driving a car is not really avoidable in a lot of cases. We need to drive to get to our workplace and to buy food.
Climbing mountains on the other hand, is totally avoidable....
Not judging. Live your life how you want.
In that case we should ban all sports where anyone has ever died?
For the algorithm
😂
I support that 🍻
Since I'm early hopefully you see this, as a climber myself (biggest one was Denali) do you have any remote interest in climbing? Always wondered haha. Anyways, dude, I love your videos and keep crushing it my man!
Absolutely haha! I have attempted to convince a family member to train for some easy climbs! I would love to one day be able to take on a beast like Denali!
Wow! Hats of to you! What an amazing experience that must of been and what a great story to be and to tell or just to drop in randomly in a conversation! It's good to here a success story as people in the comments seem to think everyone dies! Well done for not becoming the next video lol Have you any more planned?
@@TerrorTwin In the words of a famous poet...
Don't dream it..be it!
@Terror Twin do it man! Start small and feel those rewards. So many people you run into in the mountains are the nicest, selfless (mainly, obviously there's the self admitted egotistical climbers, Rienhold etc) and most determined people you'll ever meet. Denali tested me to my limits in every imaginable way. But that feeling on top of North America is something I cannot express. Cheers, mate, and thanks for your videos! I will do everything in my power to not be featured in any of them though haha
@Caz C thanks my dude! I try not to be that cocky climber and bring it up all the time, really only brought it up here cause I was curious if Terror had any interest. But yea if a climber or amateur hiker asks me ill tell ya everything about it. The glaciers, Jesus christ, the glaciers were the absolute worst. Our next plan is to get our second of the seven summits done by getting Kilimanjaro done. Couldn't be more opposite in our planning of this one haha
We are not promised the next heartbeat. Live life like it's the last beat. Enjoy the moment. No matter how you go. ...live well.
These folks all knew the risk. They lived well.
Big Four Ice Cave - Yes blame the missing signs or missing landlines ... How sad it may be, Darwin at its best. Unprepared, unknowledgeable, badly equipped, ...
Rob didn't love Maria. If he had loved her, he would have walked her back down to Camp 2 and tried another day.
He makes me angry with his sobbing.
He had a choice. And his choice says a LOT about WHAT he truly is.
He has no moral fiber. He could have tried Everest another day. But he can NEVER get his wife back. I can't stand these selfish narcissists who say they love someone, yet, when the time comes to prove that love, they fail every time. He killed his wife. Period. His actions proved he loves no one.
She was his responsibility. He failed Maria, thus proving to the world what a POS he is.
I disagree. He has morality, otherwise he wouldn't be crying over the loss of his wife.
He made the poor decision of continuing the trek because that is simply human nature, we strive for the feeling of completion and success as a species, and it is something so primal that it would outweigh many logical decisions that he could have made... Also note the lack of oxygen at that altitude and how it can impair motor function & decision making.
Before you call someone a POS, you should at least try to understand their perspective a bit better.
@@koneeche yeah we dont know how much high altitude was affecting them..they may have deviated from their plan. I still have sympathy for the man as he will probably never forgive himself and will live with that til he dies. 😢
Diana has baggage 🛍️
Thank you Miss Cleo. 🔮
@@SACREDFlREA lot of people here do. Either that or they have a serious lack of intelligence. Easy to be captain hindsight. The due was probably oxygen starved and didn't understand the ramifications of his actions. Everyone thinks they're the main character of their story until they realize they are not. "My wife won't die, that's not even a possibility" is how this actually happens.
You can't legislate complete safety for human beings. When you ignore warning signs you are responsible for the consequences. Parks don't put those up just to curtail fun.
@10:05 in the video, the shot of the mountain peaks having their snow violently blown off into huge cloudlike structures is a visual treat as well as measuring stick!
New sub here. Keep up the great work. 🤙🏽
I’ve been in these ice caves. I’ve been deep inside them, and never once thought they’d collapse. I’m so stupid and so lucky.
Goodness! Glad things worked out 👍😎
Seeing that dude cry makes me angry, honestly. He made the choice to leave his wife when she was sick and needed his help to get to safety immediately. Who leaves their partner behind in a place literally named "Death Zone"? I am surprised he was not investigated for this, it is failure to provide assistance at the very least. Like leaving your injured spouse in the ditch after a car accident to hike to your destination and back real quick before you help them. He got exactly what he wanted so now he better be happy about it, else she died completely in vain. Ugh. These don't normally get to me but that one made me mad.
Yeah bad shit! She was metres away from the summit so to turn back tells me just how unwell she must have been. If he made it to the summit and caught up with her had he just stayed with her, he obviously had the strength to of got her down faster. Then to say it meant nothing getting to the summit without her??? Yeah leave a climbing partner, that's just how it foes up there, but your wife?!?! Absolutely not.
@@hazel_moore-1989 that happens when your ego is so strong it doesnt allow you to feel sympathy for others. The very least he could do is recognize that he likely sealed her fate and warn others not to be so irresponsible.
I agree. She sacrificed her autonomy to follow his dreams and it cost her her life.
He didn't care that he summitted alone - he would have stayed with her if he had wanted her more than summiting.
I bet it wasn't the first time he pushed her to do his thing and not take care of herself, but she knew that, and put his interests ahead of her own.
@@elipotter369 who knows? She isnt around to tell her side of the story. Maybe she begged him for help and he went "brb, gotta summit real quick"
Wich is why I'm surprised the situation wasn't investigated. If you fail to help your wife who is actively dying to finish your hobby project and later tell police you asked and she was okay with it... I dont think police would go "Oh, okay, she clearly wanted to sacrifice herself for this, sorry for your loss"
@@LieseLotte471 there are a lot of small potential clues: in all the photos, she is leaning/draped/clinging to him instead of standing upright herself. He's ramrod straight.
She only took up a "love" of the outdoors after she met him with his obsession for it.
She put him first, with you go ahead - assuming that's even true. He ignored people's pleas to not go on when his wife wasn't coping at camp 4...etc.
Also, she was heavily into toxic positivity- manifesting for successfully doing Everest, never stop trying,...
People like that aren't quite facing reality.
Her mother was uneasy...
Just my observations and opinions, but you're right, we're not seeing their relationship first hand.
There are just so many female/male relationships that have that dominant male/compliant female dynamic going on though.
There is no failure by the state. The state does not need to supply a closer phone. The state is not responsible to make the outdoors risk free. It’s up to people to decide what risks to take. And there can be 10000 warning signs. Or none. Do you know how the caves can be made safe ? Demolish them. Also, fill in all the lakes and rivers, level the cliffs, and burn down the trees so no one climbs them.
So you are climbing Everest but you're not prepared for you or your wife to die? You're not playing a video game or rock wall climbing in a gym.
Right if I had some strange desire to pay 100k to do this life gamble. Then I would never do so with my wife, mother, father, son, brother, sister, ect. It's to risky it's like bringing your loved ones to shoot IV drugs it's a life gamble for a thrill.
@@mikehikes710They did that activity together and you're not her master, you're her SO. She wanted to make that climb too.
Ice cave winners of the Darwin Awards.
I live by Lake Michigan. Some winters large portion of the lake will freeze. I see people walking on the ice. I want to scream at them for their stupidity. People don't stop and think. If the ice breaks, u will fall into the lake. No one will be able to get to u in time to save u. People stop and think.
You guys from the Phillipines seem happy. Right on
So he leaves his wife, not well, just so he could get to the summit, that's not a man that's a loser. She didnt make it, I hope he never forgets what he did, loser
It amazes me how a cimbers brains work. They believe people who dont climb are wasting their lives doing nothing while they themselves accomplish nothig beneficial climbing dangerous places, wasting their lives and they dont even see the irony. I honestly dont feel sorry or sad when i watch these videos!
Hilarious and spot on
I have so little respect for mountaineers at this point but all the respect for their "support staff" and rescue workers. They are doing the extreme things - the so called impossible or monumental tasks - on the regular and they don't get the glory. They are the real heros
I hope you don't smoke, drive, eat junk food or do anything that even remotely ever puts your life in absolutely any kind of danger.
Hard to have empathy when all these people knew better.
I just wanted to say that I have watched ALOT of videos on such things and I feel like yours seem to be told with a hell of a lot more care towards who they were both as climbers and as people and it’s greatly appreciated my dude! It’s obvious that you have great respect for all of the people that you feature in your videos! 😉👍
There are just too many people up there who really shouldnt be. People who believe having enough money to get up there is justified despite having little or no experience. Even for those who are qualified , experienced, aclimatized ( either naturally like the sherpas or through a rigorous acclimatization process)it is a huge risk, H.A.P.E. & H.A.C.E, Avalanches, rockfalls, storms and the Khumba ice-fall is indiscriminate and there ready to wipe out anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So when you get thrill seekers with more money than sense they should be made to sign a waiver of responsibilty so they dont put others in danger just to get themselves out of trouble.
Nobody should be up there.
So sad makes me never want to take my loved one on a dangerous hike like an 8000er
😢 Sweet Grace.
I’ve watched a lot of stories of climbers climbing Everest and one thing they all have in common, their ego that’s kills them.
Make hikers pay huge insurance fees to climb there.
The 1939 climb..what a cluster f. Unbelievable how stupid and careless it was decided to remove the essentials from the advanced camps..Laural and Hardy came to mind..
Any time the climbers seem to say “ the conditions couldn’t be more perfect “…. Tragedy happens!!
In Maori culture we believe mountains are our ancestors and we treat them like people with high esteem and great respect we never go into areas we are told by our ancestors not to go
Definitely not disasters. These folks know the risks.
you know the risks of driving a car but a car accident, even at your fault, is considered tragic.
Have a shred of empathy. Maybe theres family that still cares about you
Maybe look up the definition of disaster.
@@fatshibaballsThere’s a difference between driving a car and scaling a mountain that goes above the clouds.
@@mybrotherkeepscommentingimsrry tragedies are still tragedies.
At my wife's climbing club, the women there are always forgetting to bring their crampons.
Everest is a beast. People have even died en route to base camp.
Compared to other mountains its more a gentle giant.
@@cazc5200 its still a beast among other beasts.
Are they the people who died in their tents due to an avalanche
Not a failure of the state at all. Make bad choices, bad things happen. Some people should stay in the city. Some people have to ruin it for everyone 🙄.
So many strange things can happen. Back in the '70s, I forget exactly what year, six German tourists were hiking in Yosemite valley when a large boulder fell and killed them all. Imagine that, saving for the vacation, planning the vacation, preparing for vacation, finally getting to go where you always want to go and you're killed by a boulder
Rob was a selfish jerk, he earned every ounce of his guilt.
Can you really compare guilt in ounces though? Maybe hours of pain perhaps?
He left her is always on his mind.
I can't get enough of Mt Everest and Titanic
The last story in 1939 is wild . I’d love to see a movie . How they were able to accomplish so much with that old school gear is beyond me . I feel like the story is deeper . There was resentment among the group . Why would your comrades just simply take the Serpa’s word for it without checking anything further . Who abandons camp and packs up with out a legit head count or confirmation . It seems like they all said to hell with it by that point
The guy left his WIFE to die alone cold and desperate to touch the peak for 5mns smfh
Don't ignore warning signs
Nobody is watching Mountaineering gone right.
That’s true 🤔🤣🤣🤣😎
There are so many videos on UA-cam of people losing their life and endangering others because they choose to ignore warnings. Why, people! Why.
Sure, maybe a landline emergency phone at a popular tourist destination should have been installed but at the same time the people should not have been in that ice cave in the first place. They ignored all the signs that were put up telling them to NOT enter the ice cave and put their own lives and that of their families at risk themselves. There is only so much a state can do to prevent stupidity other than completely closing off the area and even then stupid will find a way 🤷♀️ Also, not sure if any lives would have been saved by a closer landline phone as the deaths that occured seem to have been instantanious 🤔
Was it worth it?
Your making this guy a hero, he was stupid for risking his life so foolishly and praised for cheating death. Spending tons of his familys money chasing a sick dream. And now leaving his family alone all for bragging rights, doesn't sound like a hero to me just a selfish man with off the wall dreams and abandoning his responsibilities to his family.
Re: story about the ice cave: People aren’t going to vote for higher taxes for state park infrastructure improvements, which this would require bc despite “How you feel”, who’s going to pay for it? That stuff ain’t free. Therefore, the politicians they vote for aren’t going to install anything until someone is killed and the public needs someone to blame other than themselves. That is how governments everywhere operate. No one wants to pay for someone who won’t understand to stay out of where they’ve been told not to go.
I am sorry, but I have no sympathy for Annalisa and her family or ANYONE who were un-alived and wounded in that ice cave. They ALL ignored the signs using the stupid excuse "Well, they are doing it!" No one but themselves are at fault. You cannot blame the state for not having a phone closer. It is not in anyway the fault of the state or anyone but THEMSELVES for putting not only their life in danger but the lives of their children.
Also, it was extremely obvious that the situation was highly unsafe. THE ICE WAS LITERALLY MELTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM!!!
No, I have no sympathy for any if them except the children who trusted their parents!