Watch Part I of the Uncommitted series here: A Portland couple tried in vain to get their son mental health treatment. Then, he killed his mother ua-cam.com/video/4pN6jcBZIKs/v-deo.html Part II here: How Oregon effectively criminalized severe mental illness ua-cam.com/video/iO4UfSqrDTI/v-deo.html
My son died by suicide. He wasn’t a danger to himself. Until he was. He was in and out of hospitals, for a day or so. Our story was much like yours. But they let him go. And now he’s gone. He was sweet, hard working. He could have been healed, become a contributing member of society. But for the lack of six months of consistent care. I am so glad that your son was saved. I am so glad it turned out this way for you.
Oregon's healthcare is a ghost to mental health help. One of our family members was in and out of counselor and doctor offices never properly diagnosed. After 4 years he finally met a psychiatrist that carefully and diligently diagnosed him correctly. That psychiatrist went to school on the east coast. He told us the east coast vs west coast in mental health is like night and day and felt his work was needed here. Another family member, pediatric age, with similar mental illnesses as the first family member mentioned, also had seen multiple psychologists and psychiatrists for evaluations over 4-5 years. He also had the luck of being correctly diagnosed by both pediatric psychologist and pediatric psychiatrist. Each had trained on the east coast. His psychiatrist was also from there and did all of her fellowship on the east coast. When she moved here to the west coast she said we are drastically failing patients left and right. She said she can't leave here because it's her calling to bring awareness to the need of mental illness help here. One (of many) differences over there is that DNA swabbing is normal. Here you have to fight for it and our pediatric aged family member got to do it. DNA swabbing is just an inner mouth/cheek swab that is run against approximately 250 medications to give a result of what can, what won't, and what might work instead of using the patient as a test lab rat. The results show what to use and NOT use. It should be available to everyone and only takes a few weeks for results. We've also lost a family friend to suicide that had tried a multitude of times from middle school through high school to leave forever. He succeeded his sophomore year in high school. But his mom faught the Oregon healthcare system for years to get proper help for him; no one at any hospital nor therapist knew what to do.
Oregon needs to change their regulations regarding mental illness. We have too many mentally ill people on the streets self medicating. Oregon needs to start caring about the mentally ill like New York did for this young man. Yes,I live in Oregon.
Oregon changed the law because they did care. People used to lock up unwanted family members and the laws were changed to protect against that. It's not an easy answer. And it's more about income inequality than it is mental health. If we weren't living in the second guided age, there would not be so many on the streets. It's really really hard to hit that balance of care without someone manipulating the system to get rid of an unwanted spouse or embarrassing child.
@@shakeyj4523 it's true that's why they changed the laws. At the same time professionals have learned a lot about mental health since then and should be able to give a fairly accurate assessment without outside input. Unfortunately one of the most common symptoms of psychotic illness is lacking the insight into thier condition. Personally I think the atmosphere of the treatment should be more spa like and make it more relaxing and appealing to check yourself in. Maybe have community centers for when the smaller symptoms start to show, so that it can prevent the emergency situations, which these days, seems to be the only way to receive care. There is so little funding and such a large need. Wish we could invest more in these things and care more about environments. blah blah.. etc
@@shakeyj4523as someone whose been on the streets and have many family and friends out there its majority of the time mental health. A lot of people out there (not all) have burned bridges with their families because of how severe their mental health and addiction is and I’ve met a lot that were diagnosed with schizophrenia, bipolar, autism, depression, etc. not everyone out there has mental health issues but most the time it’s the mental health that influences the drug use or vice verse, they’re often pretty young when they start which makes it so much harder to stop. Locking people up for doing fent, meth, etc probably isn’t the best solution but when it was illegal the problem was not as crazy as it is now.
My cousin has schizoaffective disorder and PTSD, and lives with his alcoholic mother. He randomly takes off in the car - or by bus - halfway across the country. The first time it happened, he was paranoid thinking terrorists were after him and sent cops on a high speed chase. He did his time and got released. I feel horrible for him; my family is very controlling and abusive. I think he gets so anxious dealing with his mother's daily, angry drinking he speeds off in a panic. It's sad. Here in Upstate NY it's not any better because the psych ward treats its patients like they are criminals, deterring people from seeking help. Thankfully there is a group building an inbetween respite center to try and help people with mental health crises which don't rise to the need for a secure ward.
Another important question to be asking is why are people slipping into psychosis in the first place? What types of things cause these mental health conditions?
See Robert Whittaker tracking use of antipsychotics compared to other medication’s that is much less harmful, and the argument for short course and a psychotics followed by 80% getting complete relief. Never ending antipsychotics have caused chronic schizophrenia. Period
Unable to deal with the stress of life, can't seem to get ahead no matter how hard one tries, a family history of psychosis. The reasons can be many. Loneliness can also bring it on. Only serious therapy can really help I it is available.
I wish everyone could hear this story! Being 74 I remember when mental institutions were available for those who needed it. My mother was committed several times during the 50s and 60s. Visiting her there was one of the rare times I saw her happy. Homelessness wasn’t the huge problem it is today. Congratulations New York for being so progressive! (Off topic when young I always heard how mean people from NYC were. The two times I was in NYC I had a very different experience, people were exceptionally kind and helpful.) 👏🏻
I’m so sorry mental health is brutal…it’s been twenty years in a battle for my loved one with traumatic brain injury…. And having a professional support system is chasing a rainbow
This news piece is near and dear to my heart. Once psychosis sets in, sound deciision-making capabilities vanish. It is nearly impossible to regain stability with intervention. Intervention is often refused because the symptoms can wax and wane plus the affected person can frequently have unrealistic ideas and understandings. Most definitely, the appointment model of health care does not work. So, without treatment, the patient develops habits and lifestyles that are generally detrimental. There is often a cyclic nature and, with each cycle, the disconnection to reality often increases. Now, in addition to treatment, the patient needs services to help him or her navigate life. Abilities and decision-making have been affected. Medication is only the beginning. Intense follow-up in a guided living situation can help people regain the life skills they need for a stable life. We Oregonians need help. We need a compassionate treatment system AND intense follow-up care. Medication is not enough.
Most of the country needs this. We lost our son. We were looked upon as if we were dirt. Our son was treated even worse. It was horrible. I could see what he needed, but no one would help us. They kept telling us “We’re the professionals, not you.” This kind of ghosting leaves some of us with dead children (suicide). Or people who wander the streets, sometimes unable to care for themselves, sometimes harming themselves or others. It’s disheartening and tragic. All because we won’t invest some time into these people who could potentially become contributing members of society.
@@deekang6244Having been someone in the position of going through mental health care as a child with schizo-affective and likely autism among other learning disorders, I know EXACTLY what that is like with the constant "excuse me, you do not know what you're talking about. WE do. WE are the experts, you need to listen to us and do what we tell you to do." It does NOT help the person in need, in fact, it makes it far worse over time, and you'd think people could quickly pick up exactly why that is. To this day I still have a strong distrust and hatred for psychologists and psychiatrists for it, along with their obsession with so quickly slapping a diagnosis on people in order to prescribe them meds. People adore demanding it's conspiracy and false to claim it's much more about the money than actually helping the person, but the reality is in fact, it is much more for the money. That and lack of capacity and specialized staff is exactly why and how countless people in crisis get turned away immediately from hospitals, or at most kept for a few hours to a night then quickly kicked out to the street all over again the next day just to have them return and do it all over again for years. Police can't do anything really either. They can put them on a POH (police officer hold) and take them to a facility like a mental hospital or a homeless shelter, but they know if they take them to a hospital, or the mental hospital lacks capacity, they'll still be stuck with the person experiencing a crisis or break, and can't do anything with them in the first place, because they'll just get turned away anyway. Some cops opt to instead take them to jails in order to give them a place to stay and be watched while they go through their hell. Something everyone seems to complete forget or even outright reject is the notion the person can know themselves and their needs/body better than any experienced expert could possibly hope to. The only person who lives in that body with that mind is them. So obviously yes, you're going to know better a lot of the time than doctors will. Sure, your studies as a doc claim fifty different things, and these were the most common manifestations of ___, and there is many other studies, but are any of those people in your books and research papers the person in front of you seeking aid? No. And there's hundreds of millions of people around the world with mental illnesses, and they all have different experiences with it all than each other. None of them are these people in the books and research either are they? No. How and why they fail to recognize this reality is beyond me, and something else that really irritates me. It leads to invalidation of the person seeking the help in the first place, and a form of almost bullying and belittling because "what could you possibly know that I can't and won't know better than you since I have a set of labels called "expert" and these degrees?" The lack of capacity and the lack of any dedicated facilities for mentally ill people, people in crisis and addiction treatment is intentional as well. Oregon got rid of all that after Reagan federally moved to shut down and get rid of facilities, and before Y2K. Then people here began to get what I would call very "SJW" and assume all these horrible things about the few remaining dedicated places in the state like "slave labor" because they had programs in place to allow those admitted there to get outside and learn skills like gardening, self-sufficiency, carpentry, mechanics, cooking, etc and they weren't paid (some places they were but again it's the whole "BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH" schtick. Yet as usual, when asked, these very people who were supposedly "suffering in slavery" were in fact loving it and doing way better than they were when forced to just rot away inside the building the entire time they were there. Yes, the goal needs to be to strike a healthy balance, where those in need can go in voluntarily and those in crisis involuntarily for help they need, while seeking to help them gain the connections, information, resources and self-sufficiency they needed to become stable and be released again. Not too far in the "help" direction, not too far in the "autonomy to a fault" direction where it all is disallowed, discouraged or otherwise shut down. In Oregon, the entire system has to change. In fact, it's also heavily corrupt too unfortunately, for what minuscule amount is even present in the first place. The best thing that can and needs to transpire is a complete tear down and rebuild from scratch of the mental health and addiction treatment system of the state.
Thank you for covering this! It is not freedom to leave a person to their own devices when they cannot make informed choices, it is societal neglect. We must have mandatory intervention services and inpatient facilities-and notification of caregiver for anyone being "released" though they should be placed in supportive care. People with severe mental illness and their families deserve far more reliable help.
I went to communty college with a guy and became friends with him. When covid hit he went back to Georgia. He started psoting all kinds of weird things and fights with his family and the cops on snapchat. Then he started posting rambling videos about how his parents had people following him and how they had poisoned his food. He started driving all over, state to state, posting weirder stuff and getting angrier. This was only a month or so after a shooting in New York and I was scared he was going to hurt someone. I called the police in Georgia and Virginia and they basically told me they couldn't do anything. I guess the cops in Georgia visited his parents house and they somehow found out it was me, and it made its way back to him. He drove 3 days straight back to my state and kept posting videos of himself hanging out in front of the college building, I assume looking for me. He eventually left and that was the last I saw or heard of him.
Its a real pity too that social systems are not transparent enough in each state that families cannot make informed choices about which social system to use. This story demonstrates this fully. Had they known that a different state had better social systems would they not have availed themselvves of it. They are very fortunate that their son's choice proved to be the right one. Was it an informed choice? Who knows as they clearly indicate it was luck not misfortune that shone their way.
Oregon has terrible laws regarding involuntary commitment. Our family struggled with getting mental health care for a beloved mother and grandmother when she slipped into psychosis at the beginning of the pandemic. Without her cooperation and participation in her own treatment, she was allowed to slip further and further into her own disordered mind. She is now in full time hospice, just withering slowly and draining resources waiting to die. Shameful and unnecessary.
This is a critical piece for sure. Just don't forget that other pieces have to be in place too. You can have things go many different directions in tragedy, sometimes in the opposite direction where there was too much forced care. Proper care is something complicated and this family definitely has a big piece to contribute to the much needed conversation on mental health.
My theory is bigger cities get more money and resources. Oregon needs to step up in regards to better patient care and treatment and more beds, but the Oregon cross-departments are literally fighting for pennies during biennial budget reviews. Unless NY and MA want to donate funds to the cause, I don’t see OR being successful in upgrading their healthcare system any time soon.
didn't New York just change their law just recently, like in the last two years or so? I thought they were just as bad as everywhere else, if not worse, when it comes to letting schizophrenics back out on the streets when they need to be committed. If their system is really so much better, then why have they been having such a ridiculous number of random attacks by mentally ill people lately?
Ha! That ain't how it works for NY residents. Musta been some huge insurance payout incentive to admit him because he was from out of state for that to happen. For us mere mortal lifelong NYS residents with autistic and mentally ill children it's just catch and release, if they even bother to catch in the first place.
Consent matters. If they don't wwant help, leave them alone. Kidnapping someone and pumping them full of extremely powerful drugs against their wishes is very unlikely to help them, but it will absolutely traumatize them. There is a reason the WHO is opposed to involuntarry treatment.
So why is he getting a medical license and is still in medical school? There are plenty of med school candidates that are not profoundly mentally ill. Kick him out and replace him with someone stable
Watch Part I of the Uncommitted series here: A Portland couple tried in vain to get their son mental health treatment. Then, he killed his mother ua-cam.com/video/4pN6jcBZIKs/v-deo.html
Part II here: How Oregon effectively criminalized severe mental illness ua-cam.com/video/iO4UfSqrDTI/v-deo.html
He needs deliverance
He needs the Lord.
My son died by suicide. He wasn’t a danger to himself. Until he was. He was in and out of hospitals, for a day or so. Our story was much like yours. But they let him go.
And now he’s gone.
He was sweet, hard working. He could have been healed, become a contributing member of society. But for the lack of six months of consistent care.
I am so glad that your son was saved. I am so glad it turned out this way for you.
Mental illness is a permanent and incurable condition. 😢
I am so sorry for your loss. :(
Oregon's healthcare is a ghost to mental health help. One of our family members was in and out of counselor and doctor offices never properly diagnosed. After 4 years he finally met a psychiatrist that carefully and diligently diagnosed him correctly. That psychiatrist went to school on the east coast. He told us the east coast vs west coast in mental health is like night and day and felt his work was needed here. Another family member, pediatric age, with similar mental illnesses as the first family member mentioned, also had seen multiple psychologists and psychiatrists for evaluations over 4-5 years. He also had the luck of being correctly diagnosed by both pediatric psychologist and pediatric psychiatrist. Each had trained on the east coast. His psychiatrist was also from there and did all of her fellowship on the east coast. When she moved here to the west coast she said we are drastically failing patients left and right. She said she can't leave here because it's her calling to bring awareness to the need of mental illness help here. One (of many) differences over there is that DNA swabbing is normal. Here you have to fight for it and our pediatric aged family member got to do it. DNA swabbing is just an inner mouth/cheek swab that is run against approximately 250 medications to give a result of what can, what won't, and what might work instead of using the patient as a test lab rat. The results show what to use and NOT use. It should be available to everyone and only takes a few weeks for results.
We've also lost a family friend to suicide that had tried a multitude of times from middle school through high school to leave forever. He succeeded his sophomore year in high school. But his mom faught the Oregon healthcare system for years to get proper help for him; no one at any hospital nor therapist knew what to do.
"We are the monsters. We are the ones who didn't help them. "
So true.
Exactly
-definetly ... !-
Oregon needs to change their regulations regarding mental illness. We have too many mentally ill people on the streets self medicating. Oregon needs to start caring about the mentally ill like New York did for this young man. Yes,I live in Oregon.
Oregon changed the law because they did care. People used to lock up unwanted family members and the laws were changed to protect against that. It's not an easy answer. And it's more about income inequality than it is mental health. If we weren't living in the second guided age, there would not be so many on the streets. It's really really hard to hit that balance of care without someone manipulating the system to get rid of an unwanted spouse or embarrassing child.
Washington is similar to Oregon. It's seriously inhumane.
@@shakeyj4523 it's true that's why they changed the laws. At the same time professionals have learned a lot about mental health since then and should be able to give a fairly accurate assessment without outside input. Unfortunately one of the most common symptoms of psychotic illness is lacking the insight into thier condition. Personally I think the atmosphere of the treatment should be more spa like and make it more relaxing and appealing to check yourself in. Maybe have community centers for when the smaller symptoms start to show, so that it can prevent the emergency situations, which these days, seems to be the only way to receive care. There is so little funding and such a large need. Wish we could invest more in these things and care more about environments. blah blah.. etc
There is nothing caring about involuntary committment, you sick fuck.
@@shakeyj4523as someone whose been on the streets and have many family and friends out there its majority of the time mental health. A lot of people out there (not all) have burned bridges with their families because of how severe their mental health and addiction is and I’ve met a lot that were diagnosed with schizophrenia, bipolar, autism, depression, etc. not everyone out there has mental health issues but most the time it’s the mental health that influences the drug use or vice verse, they’re often pretty young when they start which makes it so much harder to stop. Locking people up for doing fent, meth, etc probably isn’t the best solution but when it was illegal the problem was not as crazy as it is now.
My cousin has schizoaffective disorder and PTSD, and lives with his alcoholic mother. He randomly takes off in the car - or by bus - halfway across the country. The first time it happened, he was paranoid thinking terrorists were after him and sent cops on a high speed chase. He did his time and got released. I feel horrible for him; my family is very controlling and abusive. I think he gets so anxious dealing with his mother's daily, angry drinking he speeds off in a panic. It's sad. Here in Upstate NY it's not any better because the psych ward treats its patients like they are criminals, deterring people from seeking help. Thankfully there is a group building an inbetween respite center to try and help people with mental health crises which don't rise to the need for a secure ward.
Another important question to be asking is why are people slipping into psychosis in the first place? What types of things cause these mental health conditions?
See Robert Whittaker tracking use of antipsychotics compared to other medication’s that is much less harmful, and the argument for short course and a psychotics followed by 80% getting complete relief. Never ending antipsychotics have caused chronic schizophrenia. Period
Unable to deal with the stress of life, can't seem to get ahead no matter how hard one tries, a family history of psychosis. The reasons can be many. Loneliness can also bring it on. Only serious therapy can really help I it is available.
Weed
I wish everyone could hear this story! Being 74 I remember when mental institutions were available for those who needed it. My mother was committed several times during the 50s and 60s. Visiting her there was one of the rare times I saw her happy. Homelessness wasn’t the huge problem it is today. Congratulations New York for being so progressive! (Off topic when young I always heard how mean people from NYC were. The two times I was in NYC I had a very different experience, people were exceptionally kind and helpful.) 👏🏻
I’m so sorry mental health is brutal…it’s been twenty years in a battle for my loved one with traumatic brain injury…. And having a professional support system is chasing a rainbow
It is devastating for any loved ones 😢
Er care in portland oregon is a hellscape too
This news piece is near and dear to my heart. Once psychosis sets in, sound deciision-making capabilities vanish. It is nearly impossible to regain stability with intervention. Intervention is often refused because the symptoms can wax and wane plus the affected person can frequently have unrealistic ideas and understandings. Most definitely, the appointment model of health care does not work. So, without treatment, the patient develops habits and lifestyles that are generally detrimental. There is often a cyclic nature and, with each cycle, the disconnection to reality often increases. Now, in addition to treatment, the patient needs services to help him or her navigate life. Abilities and decision-making have been affected. Medication is only the beginning. Intense follow-up in a guided living situation can help people regain the life skills they need for a stable life. We Oregonians need help. We need a compassionate treatment system AND intense follow-up care. Medication is not enough.
Most of the country needs this.
We lost our son. We were looked upon as if we were dirt. Our son was treated even worse. It was horrible. I could see what he needed, but no one would help us. They kept telling us “We’re the professionals, not you.”
This kind of ghosting leaves some of us with dead children (suicide). Or people who wander the streets, sometimes unable to care for themselves, sometimes harming themselves or others. It’s disheartening and tragic. All because we won’t invest some time into these people who could potentially become contributing members of society.
100% agree.
@@deekang6244Having been someone in the position of going through mental health care as a child with schizo-affective and likely autism among other learning disorders, I know EXACTLY what that is like with the constant "excuse me, you do not know what you're talking about. WE do. WE are the experts, you need to listen to us and do what we tell you to do." It does NOT help the person in need, in fact, it makes it far worse over time, and you'd think people could quickly pick up exactly why that is. To this day I still have a strong distrust and hatred for psychologists and psychiatrists for it, along with their obsession with so quickly slapping a diagnosis on people in order to prescribe them meds. People adore demanding it's conspiracy and false to claim it's much more about the money than actually helping the person, but the reality is in fact, it is much more for the money. That and lack of capacity and specialized staff is exactly why and how countless people in crisis get turned away immediately from hospitals, or at most kept for a few hours to a night then quickly kicked out to the street all over again the next day just to have them return and do it all over again for years.
Police can't do anything really either. They can put them on a POH (police officer hold) and take them to a facility like a mental hospital or a homeless shelter, but they know if they take them to a hospital, or the mental hospital lacks capacity, they'll still be stuck with the person experiencing a crisis or break, and can't do anything with them in the first place, because they'll just get turned away anyway. Some cops opt to instead take them to jails in order to give them a place to stay and be watched while they go through their hell.
Something everyone seems to complete forget or even outright reject is the notion the person can know themselves and their needs/body better than any experienced expert could possibly hope to. The only person who lives in that body with that mind is them. So obviously yes, you're going to know better a lot of the time than doctors will. Sure, your studies as a doc claim fifty different things, and these were the most common manifestations of ___, and there is many other studies, but are any of those people in your books and research papers the person in front of you seeking aid? No. And there's hundreds of millions of people around the world with mental illnesses, and they all have different experiences with it all than each other. None of them are these people in the books and research either are they? No. How and why they fail to recognize this reality is beyond me, and something else that really irritates me. It leads to invalidation of the person seeking the help in the first place, and a form of almost bullying and belittling because "what could you possibly know that I can't and won't know better than you since I have a set of labels called "expert" and these degrees?"
The lack of capacity and the lack of any dedicated facilities for mentally ill people, people in crisis and addiction treatment is intentional as well. Oregon got rid of all that after Reagan federally moved to shut down and get rid of facilities, and before Y2K. Then people here began to get what I would call very "SJW" and assume all these horrible things about the few remaining dedicated places in the state like "slave labor" because they had programs in place to allow those admitted there to get outside and learn skills like gardening, self-sufficiency, carpentry, mechanics, cooking, etc and they weren't paid (some places they were but again it's the whole "BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH" schtick. Yet as usual, when asked, these very people who were supposedly "suffering in slavery" were in fact loving it and doing way better than they were when forced to just rot away inside the building the entire time they were there. Yes, the goal needs to be to strike a healthy balance, where those in need can go in voluntarily and those in crisis involuntarily for help they need, while seeking to help them gain the connections, information, resources and self-sufficiency they needed to become stable and be released again. Not too far in the "help" direction, not too far in the "autonomy to a fault" direction where it all is disallowed, discouraged or otherwise shut down.
In Oregon, the entire system has to change. In fact, it's also heavily corrupt too unfortunately, for what minuscule amount is even present in the first place. The best thing that can and needs to transpire is a complete tear down and rebuild from scratch of the mental health and addiction treatment system of the state.
Thank you for covering this! It is not freedom to leave a person to their own devices when they cannot make informed choices, it is societal neglect. We must have mandatory intervention services and inpatient facilities-and notification of caregiver for anyone being "released" though they should be placed in supportive care. People with severe mental illness and their families deserve far more reliable help.
Society has no right to do tha. If they don;t want help, leave them alone. You have no IDEA how bad involuntary "care" is.
I want to hear what the patients themselves think
This is the “greater than”>
This one is “less than”
I went to communty college with a guy and became friends with him. When covid hit he went back to Georgia. He started psoting all kinds of weird things and fights with his family and the cops on snapchat. Then he started posting rambling videos about how his parents had people following him and how they had poisoned his food. He started driving all over, state to state, posting weirder stuff and getting angrier. This was only a month or so after a shooting in New York and I was scared he was going to hurt someone. I called the police in Georgia and Virginia and they basically told me they couldn't do anything. I guess the cops in Georgia visited his parents house and they somehow found out it was me, and it made its way back to him. He drove 3 days straight back to my state and kept posting videos of himself hanging out in front of the college building, I assume looking for me. He eventually left and that was the last I saw or heard of him.
New York has much better Human Resources hands down!
This is bad and am from Oregon. I did not know this.
Its a real pity too that social systems are not transparent enough in each state that families cannot make informed choices about which social system to use. This story demonstrates this fully. Had they known that a different state had better social systems would they not have availed themselvves of it. They are very fortunate that their son's choice proved to be the right one. Was it an informed choice? Who knows as they clearly indicate it was luck not misfortune that shone their way.
Oregon has terrible laws regarding involuntary commitment. Our family struggled with getting mental health care for a beloved mother and grandmother when she slipped into psychosis at the beginning of the pandemic. Without her cooperation and participation in her own treatment, she was allowed to slip further and further into her own disordered mind. She is now in full time hospice, just withering slowly and draining resources waiting to die. Shameful and unnecessary.
So so true. Leftists let people self Medicate
This is a critical piece for sure. Just don't forget that other pieces have to be in place too. You can have things go many different directions in tragedy, sometimes in the opposite direction where there was too much forced care. Proper care is something complicated and this family definitely has a big piece to contribute to the much needed conversation on mental health.
My theory is bigger cities get more money and resources. Oregon needs to step up in regards to better patient care and treatment and more beds, but the Oregon cross-departments are literally fighting for pennies during biennial budget reviews. Unless NY and MA want to donate funds to the cause, I don’t see OR being successful in upgrading their healthcare system any time soon.
😢Been there, done that! Gross negligence!
the problem is with the definition of imminent danger...if you are not lucid you are in imminent danger
We've just got to change this...
With Oregon s drug problem they need more mental health services
FYI you did the wrong sign for less than
Oregon laws are the reason i left
didn't New York just change their law just recently, like in the last two years or so? I thought they were just as bad as everywhere else, if not worse, when it comes to letting schizophrenics back out on the streets when they need to be committed. If their system is really so much better, then why have they been having such a ridiculous number of random attacks by mentally ill people lately?
Ha! That ain't how it works for NY residents. Musta been some huge insurance payout incentive to admit him because he was from out of state for that to happen. For us mere mortal lifelong NYS residents with autistic and mentally ill children it's just catch and release, if they even bother to catch in the first place.
Common sense stuff
“We won’t see family members cycling through the er room”
‘AGREED TO ACCEPT HELP’ there in lies the problem. We ask the mentally ill and drug addicted if they want help, how absurd is this notion!!!
Consent matters. If they don't wwant help, leave them alone. Kidnapping someone and pumping them full of extremely powerful drugs against their wishes is very unlikely to help them, but it will absolutely traumatize them. There is a reason the WHO is opposed to involuntarry treatment.
Oregon is a shit show
Could be a TI
So why is he getting a medical license and is still in medical school? There are plenty of med school candidates that are not profoundly mentally ill. Kick him out and replace him with someone stable
Yet another opinion without knowing the facts. Did they say he was in medical school? - nope. And btw your kindness is overwhelming.
No, keep him in. That way his patients have someone who knows where they're coming from
“The right to lose your mind” thanks Oregon
Oregon MH services suck
And wth is the son doing still living with his parents, that’s asking for a dv situation. Kids should be kicked out the day they turn 18-19.
Nice one, Bozo.
@@nanzyzshut up idiot.
Yes especially if they have a mental illness 🙄
You and Jonathon should hook up
I agree. That’s a red flag of incompetence or immaturity.