This was very interesting to see. Regardless it is a simulator and you can land on your keisters and come out alive, it is in some way comforting to see the preparations for a scenario like this. (Which I hope I never will have to face). Good work, Pranas!
After the second turn of the landing gear gravity extension lever, there are no possibilities to restow the l/g doors. For that reason, pilots should expect a decrease in climb performance in the event of a go around even after resetting gears' normal operations (assuming no mechanical damage). In addition, nose wheel steering is inhibited. The doosr don't significantly affect a belly landing. He has performed the correct procedure ;)
My guess, only that I'm no pilot, is that the spoilers mainly work by dumping the lift from the wings by disrupting the airflow to provide maximum weight and therefore traction to the wheels. Since in this case we have no wheels, having additional control over the attitude of the plane for as long as possible would be far preferable.
At the end, Pranas forgot to remove headphones and just thrust them off his ahead into the cockpit. Anyways, I actually fond this entertaining. I like how everything goes bonkers when you shut the engines down. I watch this everyday.
When you turn on the RAM air, I'm assuming this is not the RAT, but the RAM scoop for AC? If I'm right, why would you need it on? If I'm wrong wouldn't the RAT get destroyed?
Pranas followed the correct procedure. The gear lever has no effect on the landing gear doors after a gravity extension as they're unlock permanently, so it wouldn't work.
To avoid any fire I shut down both engines just before touchdown. Nothing was turning the generators, so the power went out; we only had limited power from the batteries.
No, the cockpits are slightly different. Bigger windows and general cockpit area. Different layout of landing gear indicator lights. Different standby instruments and different thrust levers.
They would not deploy due to the hydraulic loss of pressure (it takes a while), but because they wouldn't obviously recieve any signal of the main landing gear struts compression by the LGCIU.
I noticed on the ECAM wheels page the landing gear doors are down. Would it make for a safer gears stuck up landing to put the gear lever up to attempt to shut the doors before doing a belly landing?
i was suprised the emergency checklist saaid to still come in at a slight angle- 6 degrees pos I believe? - how likely would this be in reality to have snapped the plane in half? Fantastic video though, love these
When the plane first makes contact with the tail down, most of its weight is still being carried by the lift of the wings, so contact is not as bad at first. When the plane settles, most of the landing stress is going to be carried by the engine nacelles and the wing roots, which usually have more structural reinforcement-they're carrying most of the stresses from thrust and lift forces, respectively, in normal flight. If you came in flat or with the nose down, then most of the landing force is going to be pressed against the nose, caving it in and risking more damage/death. Plus, in all cases, you want to contact the runway with as little vertical speed as possible, which you can only do with a nose-up attitude anyways.
I got a question: when the lgciu1+2 fault, so there’s no indication of the L/G, so I use gravity extension, in that case, I cannot sure if my gears are locked, so do I have to do the abnormal gear landing checklist?
This is EXACTLY what the PK8303 pilots should have done. But they decided to go around instead after scraping the engines on the runway after the initial touchdown with the gear up.
Here after PIA 8303 crash, when the landing gear did not go down, and the pilot attempted to land, scraped and damaged the engine, went for a go-around, and crashed on top of a residential area.... I don't think they followed this checklist 😯😕
I guess he was all concentrated to recover from stall caused with high rate of descent while trying to descend from more than 5000 feet *(instead of 3000 feet as per SOP) for landing. May be he didn't realize that there was a malfunction with the landing gears but no one at Control Tower noticed and informed him either :(
@@FruityFarterSG You can hear ATC ask "Confirm, you'll attempt a belly landing?" Just before the pilot declared mayday. I'm pretty sure ATC was aware of of the landing gear malfunction. It could be that the captain tried using g-force to try and force the landing gear out. Also, you can hear the master caution warning going off in the background when the pilot was talking. If I'm not mistaken, that was a landing gear warning the same as in this video at 10:49. We don't know exactly what happened, so I'm just guessing.
@@ZunarZulfiqar they asked because on the first landing attempt the plane landed on belly as the gears failed to retract, they must have thought that the plane still has the same issue along with failed engines. Only pilot knew that he was able to retract the gears later on (as can be seen in video clip) but since he already had a more serious issue to deal with (failed engines) he didn't inform the control tower about it. If you listen to the audio the pilot doesn't say anything in response to their question about belly landing
Ok, that is simple. First, spoilers during no landing gear landings are a little dangerous, thats because a pilot doesnt want the plane to exert more force against the ground and to reduce drag against the ground,and to reduce damage and danger, even the QRH says so. And second, EVEN IF the pilot arms the spoilers, they wont deploy after touchdown, becasue as you saw, he shut down BOTH engines before touchdown, so the spoilers wont deploy because of lack of engine hydrolic power. reply please
I'm not a pilot, but I thought for gear-up landing you are supposed to try to make a few attempts at the runway to see if the gear fall down by gravity before you give up?
Really cool! But, this landing actually doesn't seem very realistic. The plane stops way too quickly. From touch down to a complete stop takes just about 14 seconds. Aluminium against asfalt/concrete have much lower friction than rubber (tires) against asfalt/concrete. Just search for "belly landing" at UA-cam and watch videos of real ones - the plane just keeps sliding "for ages" before it finally comes to a stop (a lot slower than in a normal landing). I didn't saw at fist there is a video cut during the "braking" - but it still looks like it slows down very fast (wich caught my attension). Also there is another video of the same thing with a B737 where there is a tree line at the side of the runway. That realy shows the very short stopping distance (even tho the video is cut)
Yeah, there is less friction, but there is a larger surface area on the belly of the aircraft compared to the small tread of the tires, which would create more friction. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I have one question: you said that you need to change your CG by moving the passengers in a rear of the plane. Why you do not change your CG by pitch trim wheel?
Would it be easier to pitch up with the joystick, or with the yoke? I've tried a joystick before, but notice that my hand gets cramped when pitching at rotation speed or flaring
Silly question here, would'nt you at least cycle the gear lever at least once just to be certain before belly landing? And #2 would it not be somewhat smoother to at least try to close the l/g doors before the crunching?
1. Cycling the landing gear lever would not do much good in this scenario, since if the wheels are unlocked but not dropping, there's likely some kind of physical blockage going on. 2. Once the landing gear doors are unlocked via emergency gear extension, they can only be closed again after maintenance, since they're likely completely disconnected from the main gear extension/retraction mechanisms as a result. Typically, if the emergency gear extension is working properly, the doors are unlocked, the gear up-locks are released, and gravity forces the gear out of their wells and pushes the doors open.
why can you not use spoilers to create extra drag since you do not have gear and why can you not use spoilers after touchdown in landgear emergency does anyone know
Would you make an attempt to dump fuel before attempting the landing or maybe we are assuming fuel is already low since we are approaching our destination?
Shouldn't you have set the gear lever to up before landing so at least the gear bay doors don't snap off? Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter since the aircraft sustains heavy damage anyway.
There is no reason to compare as both do the same and both make good planes. Both did major technological innovations. Boeing made a successful airliner first but airbus did the fly by wire and other innovative technologies first so both are just equal.
+Power Well Its up to the pilots. Both companies are different. Boeing planes are more "manual" and mechanical and let the the pilot correct mistakes while the airbus is usually simpler to start and has smarter flight computers and auto-pilot and the computer correct a pilots mistake, but if there is a fault in the computers, the airplane can make corrections that are not needed like in the Quantas a330 flight in 2009. I've heard that it's harder to fly an airbus because the controll stick is very sensetiv if you compare to the classic yoke of the Boeing planes.
Interesting, so this is the REAL procedure what to do when the gear does not come out. UA-camrs just land as usual in XPlane or other simulators and well... that´s it. No difference between a landing with gear out. But in real Airbusses the engines must be shut off and fuel cut-off, and discharge the fire extinguisher systems in the turbines after coming to a halt. I personally would have done another safety feature to prevent the whole aircraft from intense burning when something goes wrong during the landing: Try to fly until the kerosene tanks are almost empty. Empty tanks are no danger.
a320s, 737s etc and other small aircraft arent equipped with fuel dumping bc even at full fuel their weight is relatively acceptable and within limits to land... obv they do fly around to burn as much fuel as possible bc the less weight the better
When he was leaving the aircraft electrical system was still energised (judging by the lamps illuminated on the panel) Arent you supposed to swich off ALL electrical supply before evacuating?
I have one question . Why do you have to perform belly landing at the runway . Why not belly land on the ground / dirt . Maybe that will prevent fire . Sorry for the bad english .
You want to land at the airport so the airport's emergency response can get there immediately. It would be harder for them to get to you if you landed on the ground elsewhere, and the ground is not as level and well-maintained as the runway so there could be all sorts of things that rip the plane apart there.
john strauss what BS are you saying here ??? are you pilot ? you never rip off your wings in the air with few fuel !!! the MZFW concerns about embarking passenger when there is no fuel in the wings. It is a structural Mass on ground not in the air !! god ! some BS here...seriously...
Okay "bugy bug" it seems you've learnt alot from flight simulator, sadly, what that game has taught you is wrong, please wikipedia some more about the "bs" you're trying to correct from an experienced pilot before actually doing it, do not forget that some facts in the internet are posted by people like you that make their researches on wikipedia/yahoo answers, therefore, people without a valid point. Next time dont get so cocky about topics you dont know anything about, and next time you ask a flight attendant to let you in cockpit, ask the pilots instead of looking around like a wierdo. Good luck buddy.
john strauss no no no and no sir.... I have just checked Wikipedia, your source...."When an airplane is BEING LOADED, the capacity for extra weight in the wing is greater than the capacity for extra weight in the fuselage. Designers of airplanes can optimise the maximum takeoff weight and prevent overloading in the fuselage by specifying a MZFW. This is usually done for large airplanes." of course it reduces the beinding moment in flight, BUT you never rip off your wings with no fuel !! where did you see that ? otherwise you do not declare a mayday due to "running short of fuel" but you say "mayday mayday mayday, we hav eno fuel, we gonna lose our wings ".... QUOTE in wikipedia any moment they say you rip off your wings in flight lol The MZFW is the maximum wieght that the plane can stand, with pax on board, with no fuel in the wings. That is the definition sir.
john strauss please find and show me a link that says we can lose wings in flight if we fly with a MZFW :) this Mass is a limitation on ground not in flight.....and please stop with experrienced pilot, it does not mean antyhing nowaydays especially with all these "game boys" cockpit. As you know about AF447, they were 3 in a cockpit, all experienced, and they did not detect a stall...be humble. ;)
"Nothing abnormal besides the whole landing gear issue". - Understatement of the century.
Just have to love that statement
If anyone is wondering Pranas is currently working as First Officer for Cargolux Airlines
Pranas - great video once again! Thanks for all your efforts to bring us into the cockpit to show us how it’s done.
Pranas is a great pilot
He is now a 747 pilot on cargo delux
This was very interesting to see. Regardless it is a simulator and you can land on your keisters and come out alive, it is in some way comforting to see the preparations for a scenario like this. (Which I hope I never will have to face).
Good work, Pranas!
So funny when people throw bad comments... as if anyone could perform this. Good job man!!!
After the second turn of the landing gear gravity extension lever, there are no possibilities to restow the l/g doors. For that reason, pilots should expect a decrease in climb performance in the event of a go around even after resetting gears' normal operations (assuming no mechanical damage). In addition, nose wheel steering is inhibited. The doosr don't significantly affect a belly landing. He has performed the correct procedure ;)
My guess, only that I'm no pilot, is that the spoilers mainly work by dumping the lift from the wings by disrupting the airflow to provide maximum weight and therefore traction to the wheels. Since in this case we have no wheels, having additional control over the attitude of the plane for as long as possible would be far preferable.
Alternate title: "How to crash a plane and survive."
No he did everything he needed to do to survive a crash
At the end, Pranas forgot to remove headphones and just thrust them off his ahead into the cockpit. Anyways, I actually fond this entertaining. I like how everything goes bonkers when you shut the engines down. I watch this everyday.
Thanks for all...good stuff...always a good refresher.
I did this with the 737NGX (ofcourse with the 737NG QRH) And i learned alot by watching and know more about the switches i never used before! :D
well done!! interesting to see the complexity of these systems. Flying by air is still safer than being in an automobile!
Flying by air… are you serious? Can someone fly by other means?
PHILLIP MC KIE flying by space maybe :o
PHILLIP MC KIE I fly by wire. But, it's on the ground.
If your plane goes down to the water, you’re dead. But with automobile, when you crash, you can still call medic (if you’re still alive)
When you turn on the RAM air, I'm assuming this is not the RAT, but the RAM scoop for AC? If I'm right, why would you need it on? If I'm wrong wouldn't the RAT get destroyed?
Pranas followed the correct procedure. The gear lever has no effect on the landing gear doors after a gravity extension as they're unlock permanently, so it wouldn't work.
To avoid any fire I shut down both engines just before touchdown. Nothing was turning the generators, so the power went out; we only had limited power from the batteries.
Hi Pranas.Your teaching method is fantastic.Please will you upload video about normal takeoff and landing.
No, the cockpits are slightly different. Bigger windows and general cockpit area. Different layout of landing gear indicator lights. Different standby instruments and different thrust levers.
Ben Kolbeck this is an old model
They would not deploy due to the hydraulic loss of pressure (it takes a while), but because they wouldn't obviously recieve any signal of the main landing gear struts compression by the LGCIU.
Currently binge watching the channel. Anyone else?
I noticed on the ECAM wheels page the landing gear doors are down. Would it make for a safer gears stuck up landing to put the gear lever up to attempt to shut the doors before doing a belly landing?
Great well done procedure.
i was suprised the emergency checklist saaid to still come in at a slight angle- 6 degrees pos I believe? - how likely would this be in reality to have snapped the plane in half? Fantastic video though, love these
Any reply?
When the plane first makes contact with the tail down, most of its weight is still being carried by the lift of the wings, so contact is not as bad at first. When the plane settles, most of the landing stress is going to be carried by the engine nacelles and the wing roots, which usually have more structural reinforcement-they're carrying most of the stresses from thrust and lift forces, respectively, in normal flight. If you came in flat or with the nose down, then most of the landing force is going to be pressed against the nose, caving it in and risking more damage/death. Plus, in all cases, you want to contact the runway with as little vertical speed as possible, which you can only do with a nose-up attitude anyways.
I got a question: when the lgciu1+2 fault, so there’s no indication of the L/G, so I use gravity extension, in that case, I cannot sure if my gears are locked, so do I have to do the abnormal gear landing checklist?
This landing was more berserk than normal because you left the gear doors open. That is some scraping done!
Is Pranas not yet flying in airlines? A320 training only takes 6 months
This is EXACTLY what the PK8303 pilots should have done. But they decided to go around instead after scraping the engines on the runway after the initial touchdown with the gear up.
Here after PIA 8303 crash, when the landing gear did not go down, and the pilot attempted to land, scraped and damaged the engine, went for a go-around, and crashed on top of a residential area....
I don't think they followed this checklist 😯😕
I guess he was all concentrated to recover from stall caused with high rate of descent while trying to descend from more than 5000 feet *(instead of 3000 feet as per SOP) for landing. May be he didn't realize that there was a malfunction with the landing gears but no one at Control Tower noticed and informed him either :(
@@FruityFarterSG You can hear ATC ask "Confirm, you'll attempt a belly landing?" Just before the pilot declared mayday. I'm pretty sure ATC was aware of of the landing gear malfunction. It could be that the captain tried using g-force to try and force the landing gear out. Also, you can hear the master caution warning going off in the background when the pilot was talking. If I'm not mistaken, that was a landing gear warning the same as in this video at 10:49. We don't know exactly what happened, so I'm just guessing.
@@ZunarZulfiqar they asked because on the first landing attempt the plane landed on belly as the gears failed to retract, they must have thought that the plane still has the same issue along with failed engines. Only pilot knew that he was able to retract the gears later on (as can be seen in video clip) but since he already had a more serious issue to deal with (failed engines) he didn't inform the control tower about it. If you listen to the audio the pilot doesn't say anything in response to their question about belly landing
Excellent landing
Pranas is still excellent as always
Why should spoilers not be used at a belly landing? Wouldn't they help you slow down the plane?
Ok, that is simple. First, spoilers during no landing gear landings are a little dangerous, thats because a pilot doesnt want the plane to exert more force against the ground and to reduce drag against the ground,and to reduce damage and danger, even the QRH says so. And second, EVEN IF the pilot arms the spoilers, they wont deploy after touchdown, becasue as you saw, he shut down BOTH engines before touchdown, so the spoilers wont deploy because of lack of engine hydrolic power. reply please
What´s the name of the music at the End ? ( 12:50 - 13:12)
Amazing very educational thank you
12:41
when i hear that im boarding max8
Please can you do a video on how you calculate your takeoff performance
I dont wanna sound dumb, but a belly landing happens when they landing gear fails to deploy right?
I'm not a pilot, but I thought for gear-up landing you are supposed to try to make a few attempts at the runway to see if the gear fall down by gravity before you give up?
PRANAS ... WHATS HIS FULL NAME......
I dont understand why do you land with the Gear Doors open.. or maybe im wrong i dont know?!?
Nice. I love this video. I think I requested this video on the 737 version, I think I don't remember.
Really cool!
But, this landing actually doesn't seem very realistic. The plane stops way too quickly. From touch down to a complete stop takes just about 14 seconds.
Aluminium against asfalt/concrete have much lower friction than rubber (tires) against asfalt/concrete. Just search for "belly landing" at UA-cam and watch videos of real ones - the plane just keeps sliding "for ages" before it finally comes to a stop (a lot slower than in a normal landing).
I didn't saw at fist there is a video cut during the "braking" - but it still looks like it slows down very fast (wich caught my attension). Also there is another video of the same thing with a B737 where there is a tree line at the side of the runway. That realy shows the very short stopping distance (even tho the video is cut)
Yeah, there is less friction, but there is a larger surface area on the belly of the aircraft compared to the small tread of the tires, which would create more friction. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Love this stuff
I have one question: you said that you need to change your CG by moving the passengers in a rear of the plane. Why you do not change your CG by pitch trim wheel?
Moving the pitch does nothing with the C.G at all...
And...after a gravity extension, how do you think to retract landing gear doors?
Would it be easier to pitch up with the joystick, or with the yoke?
I've tried a joystick before, but notice that my hand gets cramped when pitching at rotation speed or flaring
It is a sidestick
Silly question here, would'nt you at least cycle the gear lever at least once just to be certain before belly landing?
And #2 would it not be somewhat smoother to at least try to close the l/g doors before the crunching?
1. Cycling the landing gear lever would not do much good in this scenario, since if the wheels are unlocked but not dropping, there's likely some kind of physical blockage going on.
2. Once the landing gear doors are unlocked via emergency gear extension, they can only be closed again after maintenance, since they're likely completely disconnected from the main gear extension/retraction mechanisms as a result. Typically, if the emergency gear extension is working properly, the doors are unlocked, the gear up-locks are released, and gravity forces the gear out of their wells and pushes the doors open.
why can you not use spoilers to create extra drag since you do not have gear and why can you not use spoilers after touchdown in landgear emergency does anyone know
why not move the plane from side to side to help with the gravity extension
Would you make an attempt to dump fuel before attempting the landing or maybe we are assuming fuel is already low since we are approaching our destination?
Paul Talbott a320 is not equipped with fuel dump features. But pilots do burn off some fuel by circling in order to land with lower weight.
i think its better to skid on the runway then on the grass..if you land on the grass the plane would dig in and tumble or flip.just my thought.
Shouldn't you have set the gear lever to up before landing so at least the gear bay doors don't snap off? Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter since the aircraft sustains heavy damage anyway.
Why no Speedbrakes?? LOT B 767 Warschau did made speed brakes!
ok. :)
i'm no pilot, so i have no idea what i'm talking about. thanks for correcting me + adding to my knowledge. :)
Good job
Love your Videos.
Thank you :)
Pranas, thank you all ure videos are great!!! one questions...anserw me please short and exactly!!! - Boeing or Airbus... ???
+Power It's an Airbus A320
+Kevin Kokalari i mean wich better ..?))
There is no reason to compare as both do the same and both make good planes. Both did major technological innovations. Boeing made a successful airliner first but airbus did the fly by wire and other innovative technologies first so both are just equal.
+Power Well Its up to the pilots. Both companies are different. Boeing planes are more "manual" and mechanical and let the the pilot correct mistakes while the airbus is usually simpler to start and has smarter flight computers and auto-pilot and the computer correct a pilots mistake, but if there is a fault in the computers, the airplane can make corrections that are not needed like in the Quantas a330 flight in 2009. I've heard that it's harder to fly an airbus because the controll stick is very sensetiv if you compare to the classic yoke of the Boeing planes.
I love your videos!
as always excellent
Hi
Why didn't you consider dumping the +6000kg of fuel on board before belly landing on the central fuel tank?
Ali Rahimy I don't think you can on an a320.
Ali Rahimy you can't dump fuel on a got damn a320
Not possible, there's no fuel dump system. You fly in circles to burn off as much as possible before landing.
Interesting, so this is the REAL procedure what to do when the gear does not come out. UA-camrs just land as usual in XPlane or other simulators and well... that´s it. No difference between a landing with gear out. But in real Airbusses the engines must be shut off and fuel cut-off, and discharge the fire extinguisher systems in the turbines after coming to a halt.
I personally would have done another safety feature to prevent the whole aircraft from intense burning when something goes wrong during the landing: Try to fly until the kerosene tanks are almost empty. Empty tanks are no danger.
i would of thought that you might have dumped the fuel before final approach to reduce fire explosion. or am i wrong
a320s, 737s etc and other small aircraft arent equipped with fuel dumping bc even at full fuel their weight is relatively acceptable and within limits to land... obv they do fly around to burn as much fuel as possible bc the less weight the better
So nice.
Where’s pranas now?
According to his LinkedIn-Profile he is working for Cargolux as F/O
verry Nice video , Nice job man
He tried to lower them manually but he never made any descents / attempts at landing to get them down with gravity.
Please show dark and cold start in a380
amazing rock hell yes!
Nick Aviation' s Same thing ya idiot
Why did you not dump some fuel before landing?
Very nice!!!!
Hey boy you will be a successful pilot
What a chance !
Isn't there a Emergency Gear Extension on the A320?
Niklas Soh I think you mean QRH. Quick Reference Handbook
Did you just LAND with landing gear DOORs Open ????? Whyyyy ?
Mohammad Abdullah it cant be closed
Very realistic!
When he was leaving the aircraft electrical system was still energised (judging by the lamps illuminated on the panel) Arent you supposed to swich off ALL electrical supply before evacuating?
You are the noss man
why do the systems shut down?
Excellent!!! Please more videos. :)
Good Job! I would feel very comfortable with you as my pilot.
Would someone please tell me what the black and white things on itther side of the throttle
Thank you
I have one question . Why do you have to perform belly landing at the runway . Why not belly land on the ground / dirt . Maybe that will prevent fire . Sorry for the bad english .
+VantagePoint Engines can catch the dirt and rip away causing possible fires and damage to the passenger cabin.
VantagePoint no bad english. just bad decision for u.
VantagePoint because there could be rough ground that could damage the plane
Landing on water would be better than on dirt
You want to land at the airport so the airport's emergency response can get there immediately. It would be harder for them to get to you if you landed on the ground elsewhere, and the ground is not as level and well-maintained as the runway so there could be all sorts of things that rip the plane apart there.
Awesome ...
can u make the engine fail with gear plz
He is a instructor, I think...
Love it!
very nice, good job :)
i'd assume you put the gear lever back to up?
That is cool.
Great!
nice work, captain :))
Pranus what happens if the joystick fails
Shardul Limaye you fly by autopilot and make a cat 3 landing
Rudder pedals and trim wheel. They did a video on it.
Why single pilot ops?
Pranas, this case is not necessary to spend all fuel , before landing ?
you have to "spend" or dump your fuel if the MLW is exceeded, but always having the MZFW in mind, you don't want to rip off your wings mid-air.
john strauss what BS are you saying here ??? are you pilot ? you never rip off your wings in the air with few fuel !!! the MZFW concerns about embarking passenger when there is no fuel in the wings. It is a structural Mass on ground not in the air !! god ! some BS here...seriously...
Okay "bugy bug" it seems you've learnt alot from flight simulator, sadly, what that game has taught you is wrong, please wikipedia some more about the "bs" you're trying to correct from an experienced pilot before actually doing it, do not forget that some facts in the internet are posted by people like you that make their researches on wikipedia/yahoo answers, therefore, people without a valid point.
Next time dont get so cocky about topics you dont know anything about, and next time you ask a flight attendant to let you in cockpit, ask the pilots instead of looking around like a wierdo.
Good luck buddy.
john strauss no no no and no sir.... I have just checked Wikipedia, your source...."When an airplane is BEING LOADED, the capacity for extra weight in the wing is greater than the capacity for extra weight in the fuselage. Designers of airplanes can optimise the maximum takeoff weight and prevent overloading in the fuselage by specifying a MZFW. This is usually done for large airplanes." of course it reduces the beinding moment in flight, BUT you never rip off your wings with no fuel !! where did you see that ? otherwise you do not declare a mayday due to "running short of fuel" but you say "mayday mayday mayday, we hav eno fuel, we gonna lose our wings ".... QUOTE in wikipedia any moment they say you rip off your wings in flight lol The MZFW is the maximum wieght that the plane can stand, with pax on board, with no fuel in the wings. That is the definition sir.
john strauss please find and show me a link that says we can lose wings in flight if we fly with a MZFW :) this Mass is a limitation on ground not in flight.....and please stop with experrienced pilot, it does not mean antyhing nowaydays especially with all these "game boys" cockpit. As you know about AF447, they were 3 in a cockpit, all experienced, and they did not detect a stall...be humble. ;)
Nice :D
Why is in the Title Baltic Avaition Acedemy and in the Intro Baltic Aviation Acedemy ???
• Domi • its Baltic Aviation Academy
Albert Manuuel In the Title
Probably they didn’t realize it. It’s actually Baltic Aviation Academy
Why not discharge both agents?
IVoidwarrantys because there's no 🔥
why do you discharge only agent 1
khalid raisi he discharged all agents
but i saw time discharge agent 1 for engine 1 and 2 and apu
5alid raisi He only discharged the agents that had lights on them.
Awesome! Airbus s2