Wow... my heart goes out to Talon who never deserved to be in this situation and also the sisters who needed mental health treatment.... how incredibly heartbreaking
My first thought too. The sisters needed mental health treatment and dragged that poor kid to his death. I have relatives who self isolated/self neglected, but thank goodness no innocent children were involved. My heart breaks for Tallon.
I wonder if the sisters where schizofrenic. It is often genetic with paranoia, into conspiracy theories, a need to isolate. Many don't look for treatment without force too.
People need to stop thinking of nature as safe and peaceful. There's a reason we made cities happen. The frontier is unforgiving, merciless, brutal, and cruel.
@WynneL American cities are way more dangerous than living off grid. I’ve lived in both, and will always take Mother Nature if given the chance. Sure enough there’s challenges, but overcoming those obstacles are what makes it so fulfilling. To each his own, but I would never choose to live in a city again, I just have no desire.
As sad as this story is, it points out a reality that more people need to understand about camping/hiking/going off grid. Prepared or not, nature doesn't care.
These women didn’t just “go off the grid”-they totally lost all of their marbles. They weren’t playing with a full deck, and they were causing damage to a child with their insanity. The fact that they went “off the grid” at a campsite on government land when they could’ve stayed on private land instead makes absolutely no sense too, but they needed an intervention. This was reckless endangerment of a child and it should have been reported to the authorities.
@@SerenaWilliams-g1c I don't think they could have found a worse place to spend the winter. Winters in that area are absolutely brutal. Temperatures rarely above freezing and deep snow all winter (and winter lasts well into what would be spring in most places). They could have gone somewhere in the desert and had a decent chance of surviving the winter. Instead, they got themselve stranded in an extremely hostile environement.
When adults make foolish decisions, I feel bad. When they involve children, I feel infuriated. Such a foolish and senseless tragedy! Thank you for such a compassionate presentation!
I am so very angry at Becky. First of all, she didn't really allow Eric to be in Talon's life. That makes me so angry. Then she dragged her son into her madness. He didn't deserve to die like that.
Exactly the word I used. My son is eleven and I don't even like the idea of his feet getting cold if he's not wearing socks. I just can't imagine letting anyone suffer like that and then dragging their body out and leaving it feet from the tent. Let alone a young boy, your own son 😡 Especially since I'm an EMT, my whole personality revolves around making people comfortable. Showing them I care. I can't even imagine having the type of mind to do this. This was just so so heartbreaking. The journal entries... My God 😢
@@pollypockets508 yes. Why not let him go live with his dad, or the grandma even, and go let herself starve and freeze. The boy didn't have a choice 😢 It's beyond awful.
It's amazing to me that with all the time Becky spent online, she obviously didn't bother to look into real survival skills. How did she think they were prepared for winter in the wilderness? It would have been tragic on its own, but that she involved a kid in her terrible plan makes it so much worse. That poor kid had a whole life ahead of him.
She had put the weight of learning survival skills onto her son. She likely didn’t see that as problematic b/c her mother expected her to raise her younger sister Christine. That poor child was the “man” of the house. This is a very problematic view to put on the child that never had the luxury of a father or grandpa to teach him. Also, survival skills are best learnt outdoors & they are useless if you aren’t well equipped. The car was the most important survival tool they had, but it would have been useless in the Colorado Rocky Mountain snows. Maybe if it had melted off in winter, but how did they expect to keep it running? There is waaaay more involved in off gridding. They were likely too broke to allow themselves any real training. Who knows though?
Because the Internet tricks every naive keyboard survivalist wannabe think that it's so simple & easy to set snares to catch a few rabbits, spear a few fish from the stream, & making a fire with a found piece of glass, or fire stove from an abandoned barrel... When in fact it takes years of learning & practice to become an avid outdoorsman. And the smart ones tell you they have much yet to learn. Only fools mess with Mother Nature & her lessons are hard learned
And every adult should know, the most important thing is to isolate you from the cold ground. Learn from the homeless! Also, don´t go somewhere cold if you aren't prepared for it. otherwise you'll die! And it requires some expensive gear and it is uncomfortable to live off the grid. You also have to be physically strong and quite smart and skilled. They had months to prepare and they did not think about any of that?
Because, most likely, mental illness leading to paranoia and inability to even see herself functioning in society in general? Yeah, her son, never really stood a chance. Maybe if he was just a couple years older it would of went differently. He was just getting to the age where kids start to distance a bit from the family group in search for personal independence and explore where they fit in themselves over the next few years(his depression showed that). He was feeling it but, given his mothers mental instabilities(that would of seem normal to him as he was isolated as well). Saddening story for the family :( I am just wondering why the other sister was so easily sucked into it all though.
Especially when the lives of your children hang in the balance 😢
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No way. Double down & go for broke! 🤣 Invest your life savings in meme coins! Mortgage your house and buy a quarter of a million Lotto tickets! Drink a 30-pack and go for a jet ski! Yolooooooo!!!!!
About 1/3 of my backcountry hiking permits at grand canyon remained unused for sentiments akin to your statement. Thank u for making it succinctly and distinctly❤ (P.S. I did get go Rim to Rim several times and Rim to river more than a few in the three years total I did get to live & work there).
Those two women took EVERYTHING from that kid. A normal childhood. A normal education. His family. His cat. His safety. His life. Absolutely everything.
His safety for sure but nothing wrong with homeschooling your children. Schools these days leave a lot to be desired and kids actually educationally, and socially. Kids most certainly can have an above normal childhood schooling at home. I’ve home schooled all of my children and they all turned out well except one who didn’t like homeschooling and returned to public schools than. Got involved with the wrong crowd, and is now correcting some of those mistakes. I feel badly because this young man lost his life over mainly over unfounded conspiracies As a parent we aren’t given a manual and I’m sure she thought she was doing what was best unfortunately this mistake was deadly.
Obvious severe mental health issues. It is so sad that Talon was affected by it so deeply that he didn’t have the fortitude to escape his situation. Good job on this story, Kyle.
He really had no choice. At the end of the day he was a child completely dependent on his mother/family. Even if he didn’t want to go he didn’t have an option. He could have told his mother he didn’t want to and then what? Plenty of kids don’t want to move when their parents decide to relocate but it’s not up to them. if the plans had been reported to CPS by the family that had offered the land I wonder if they would have legal grounds to intervene. Talon didn’t go to school so he didn’t have many outside outlets like a teacher to report the plans to. So that family would have been the only ones with the knowledge to intervene. The mother’s irrational choices which I am sure she thought were protecting her son instead led to his death. She essentially killed him.
Even sadder is the fact that everyone in the extended family knew Becky was nuts, but no one tried to stop her from dragging a child with her into oblivion. Not one of them tried to get her to seek mental help.
That poor child. What a deeply selfish woman to force her delusion upon her vulnerable son. I have compassion as she was clearly mentally ill but when you become a parent the well-being of your child must come before your own needs and wants.
In her delusion, the world outside posed a greater threat to her son. It has to be viewed almost like a cult, when people get that deep into a wide-ranging conspiracy world, it affects their whole worldview, so to understand how they think, you have to acknowledge that this delusion of a world exists to them. This sort of anti-social ideology spread through survivalism and identifying almost everyone as Other, Add on that malnutrition, probably poor sleep because they only had a tent to sleep in, the effects of possible hypothermia, the fear, the guilt possibly after the first person died... all of that can lead to poor judgement. They likely thought atp that they COULDN'T go back... regardless of their needs and wants. An unstable mind in a precarious situation will make wild assumptions, and based on the past behavior... they were kinda prone to wild leaps even on a good day. Something to keep in mind.
"I have compassion" you say, then proceed to victim-blame. The whole problem with mental illness is that it makes you THINK you ARE putting the well-being of your child before your own needs and wants. Covid's killing people, she's scared--do you think she wasn't scared for her child? "Off the grid" during an epidemic would theoretically be safer. Blaming a person with delusion for not knowing what's real is about as sensible as blaming a child for immaturity. It simply doesn't work that way.
I feel so horrible for the boy. If the Ranger saw the abandoned car and it wasn’t too far from the campground, I’m shocked that they didn’t send a search team. It seemed like their tent wasn’t that far away from the campground.
It said he searched the area and found nothing, and the numbers were disconnected. Mounting searches like that take a lot of time, money, and manpower, and launching searches every time a vehicle is found would lead to fatigue amongst the rescuers.
@@devsie11915 This unfortunate tragedy just brings up a better protocol should be in place for park rangers before having a car towed. Like at least locate the next of kin & contact them by phone he most likely did a simple sweep & called it in ... They already said reception was practically none in that area so why assume calling just their cell phones would have been sufficient...
People don’t understand, and obviously these women had zero understanding just how much food you need to survive in the wilderness. We take it for granted how easy food is to come by in a civilisation. Unless you are an experienced hunter plus have a deep understanding of flora and fourna, you have no chance of living permanently in the wilderness.. that is just yeh food problem to. Warmth in Winter is a massive problem aswell and a tent will just not cut it.. you need proper clothing and ideally a cabin. Plus the amount of fire wood needed for an entire winter is massive. These women were doomed the moment they left. That poor child..that’s the part that breaks my heart and if I’m honest, makes me angry at those silly women!
Most people do not know how much food they need to survive at home. I ask family if they are prepared for a blackout and they say yes we have food in. That food will turn out to be half a bag of frozen chips and a can of beans. With no gas they cannot cook anyway. A years worth of baked beans for me and my partner takes up so much room being 365 cans. That's only 200 cal each. People have no idea.
Even so called hunters cheat all the time. They are not brave at all. IF they had to do it as they did in the past they would fail miserably and their grade would be animals taking them away in big pieces. respect
@@donbunson5031 Big cans help and it is more like 600 cal and peanut butter, jelly, but use sparingly or bananas but yes freeze em bananas but that would be luxury. Oats, soy milk or plant milks and then get these plant milks in containers that do not need refrigeration. Protein bars 100% plant based. so much yes
I greatly appreciate the extreme care and the sensitivity with which you approach all of your stories and I want to thank you for encouraging your viewers to be kind in the comments. You are a rarity and a true gentleman. Thank you!
@clearday9525 That is for sure. His audience is very respectful, and I wish everyone would inspire their viewers to be respectful the way he does. He is a respectable young man.
10:16 This sounds to me like Becky wanted a child to replace the emotional bond she had with her mother. So basically, as far as she was concerned, the guy was just a sperm donor, she didn’t have any use for him once she had her baby.
And then her kid was just her buddy 😡 he wanted to take care of her, he picked out candy just because "Mommy likes" it. She didn't deserve his sweet soul. Mental illness or not.
This generation of "baby mamas" and "baby daddies" have created so much confusion, so much chaos in the lives of their kids. And that generation is having children...generational brokenness...no concept of a healthy relationship between a married, devoted couple who are loyal to their family. This is only getting worse. It isn't backwards to be committed to a marriage, a spouse and a family. It's the best gift you can give your children...and their children.
I can't help but think these people saw one of those back-to-nature-survivalist youtube channels where the man digs a hole, cuts down some lumber and 1-2-3 creates a snug, warm and cozy place for himself for the winter. So much is left out of those channels, and if you're not watching closely you could be tricked into thinking it is something You can do. Pardon me, Kyle if I'm repeating you, but I couldn't take watching this video - I've heard this story before and just couldn't take hearing it again. It is too tragic, especially for that poor kid.
They had plently of time to understand that none of them cant do anything to survive off grid. Besides up til november they had a car to get away from there. Rebecca was mentally ill crazy person with low intellect forcing her son and sister into death which proves that none of them 3 had any intellectual capabilities. Look at that campsite in 3 months they built a tent and some useless wooden structure. Equipment not sufficent nor organized. Wrong choice of food and equipment. The boy was 14 so basicly a man, but since he did grow up together with bunch of crazy women he had no knowledge either. Very sad and tragic.
@@martinlatvian5538 14 is not 'basically a man' (and he was actually 13). He was still a child, so wasn't in a position to just up and leave to save himself. And he didn't sound as though he had poor intellectual capabilities going on his journal entries. His entries were contemplative and showed intelligence.
The fact that the adults watched their child die and did not go for help, unless the car had already been towed. I feel like in that case they would have at least been on the move going for help. Just awful.
All I can imagine is Talon begging his Aunts to drive them out of there in his last days. Those women had given up on life and yes, they dragged that boy with them. Sucks that the women didn't have people in their lives to help them work on mental health. This is going to haunt me for the rest of the night.
I think they got sick either from water source or contaminated soil, they were all so sick they couldn’t go get help would explain the feaces and malnutrition
I said this in a comment in another video about this, and I will say it again. I grew up planting vegetable gardens and you need to till the ground, remove rocks, prepare the ground for planting, make sure that you’re planting at the right times, pull up the weeds, make sure that the plants are getting enough water and sunlight, make sure that pests are staying away from the plants and then you need to know when to harvest the vegetables and how to preserve them. They were so unprepared it’s heartbreaking.
True, most that live off grid know survival basics AND are self sufficient at wild food prep, know how to create a forest garden of edibles that works with nature and not against and set themselves up accordingly for prepping the food for winter storage and hunting as well. They went up there like a couple of city folk who were gong camping for a weekend not even thinking of bringing protection against the wild life.
Also you have to be able to hide/keep them from other animals who might eat your veggies before you can. And did they start their experiment in autumn? Why not wait till it gets warm in spring and start when it's easier? You can try the hard mode later.
Not only that but that first garden is all a learning harsh experience tomatos, bell peppers, okra, and eggplant were my easiest but the rest just bombed horribly but I learned and just kept going but if you don’t have a years worth of canned up and dehydrated along with store bought stuff like oil, sugar, flour, and so forth, you will be very hungry. 4 years into gardening I tested my knowledge and ate only from my garden, chickens, fish from lake, I lost 30 lbs lol I realized I better double the size of my garden.
There aren't a whole lot of crops you can even grow at 10,000 feet above sea level in the Colorado Rockies. You've got maybe a month frost -free and high temperatures mostly 60's to low '70's in the summer. Peas and oats, maybe, in a good year.
@@danielleterry2331 yeah, my parents use the gardens to supplement what was bought at the store and depending on what it was we either ran out quickly or it lasted until we had another harvest. For years the peas were eaten before they could be blanched and frozen as us kids would just go into the garden and eat them or eat too many while shelling them. String beans were the ones that did really well for us and had plenty. One year we had so many string beans that my parents told people they knew to come and pick what they wanted; they just needed to call first.
Wow. We've been living in unprecedented times. The toll has affected us all. If you are feeling isolated, know that you aren't alone. Find something you are passionate about and connect with others who share the same interests. If you feel overwhelmed, know that there are loved ones and friends who would gladly listen to, encourage and support you. The trail gives us that temporary space, time and permission to catch our breath, grieve and heal. Then we return back to life. The trail will always be there when you need it. Hugs to anyone who is struggling. You are not alone.
Thank you for this comment, hit it on the dot. When you are battling with any mental issues it is hard to make sense of anything and even more with a huge unknown like C. Plus the added grief that one goes through when losing a loved one is incomprehensible. I think the Doom & gloom was a significant feeling that overwhelmed the adults. I pray for their souls to find peace, especially for that young boy who had no choice. Talon, I pray Jesus Christ have Mercy on you🙏❤️🔥🙏❤️🔥✝️
I have done a lot of camping in northern Michigan and a few other places but I know I could never handle completely off the grid and at that altitude, especially in the winter. They had no experience and therefore no chance and it is so sad that they forced that poor child to go with them.
You need top shelf mountaineering gear and an enourmos number of military rations or high quality back packer dinners. The truth is it costs a fortune in equipment and food and takes a decade of time spent in the wilderness in less severe environments. The truth is even with the best gear money can buy and an unlimited amount of food and fuel for the stove even with all that it would suck bad out there! If you were there to climb or ski it might be fun for a month! It would cost a lot of money just for 2 weeks. The old timers that survived those kind of conditions centuries ago had way better equipment than people realize and carried enourmos amounts of food ready to eat. Living outside in a place like Colirado in the mountains in the winter is going to cost way more money than living in a modest apartment.
@@sndspderbytes That is pretty much what I figured and they didn't even have enough to be safe in the beginning and no idea of what they were really taking on. I have some idea of it but know damned well I couldn't do it, especially in the mountains in winter. Wouldn't even consider it let alone try.
@@sndspderbytes If they'd had rifles, they might have been able to kill a moose, elk, or a few deer and had enough meat to survive the winter. I don't think $500 worth of groceries would be enough to keep three people alive for a whole winter there. They also bought a camping stove, but how much fuel did the buy? They would have needed a lot just for a whole winter of cooking, and even more if they were using it for heating or to melt snow for drinking water.
@@Tlyna1952 I'm a Colorado native, and winters at 10,000 feet are brutal. And the area they were in can get a ridiculous amount of snow (several feet over the course of a winter, and it doesn't melt that high up).
I’m a mom and I just cannot imagine intentionally putting my children in danger. Why did the sister who chose not to go not call CPS or the police? Obviously this poor child was in distress, and his basic needs not being taken care of. Rest in peace, sweet Talon. You deserved SO much better than your mother and Aunt gave you. 💔
This is so sad, but at the same time its one of the best, most gripping stories you've told. I have an 11 year old boy, am an EMT, and this story was ... Infuriating. Heart breaking. What painful deaths. That said, You tell stories with like...MrBallen level skill. This has become my favorite channel..And the respect given to the victims is always so nice. Again, like MrBallen, wholesome.
I'm trying to understand how they didn't want the camper because there was an access road and mailing address, but they used an access road to get to a National Park, which definitely has a mailing address, but lacks a camper.
This is the sort of disorganized thinking that can accompany mental illness…some things can be taken to the extreme while common sense stuff is completely ignored.
Off topic, Sheriff Grady Judd just busted a ring of Pedos at Disney world 🌎 Is there a safe place in this country to take our children? Granted, these two women had no clue what they were doing. They killed a child and themselves. Unfortunately COVID killed many people in various ways. Rest in peace Talon. You deserved so much more in life. Not everyone that can have children should have children. We need a license to drive. We need a license to hunt/fish. Yet, any idiot can breed. 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 For Talon.
They can't just leave vehicles all over the place! If they did places like that would become completely inaccessible. Not to mention without any repercussions, folks would just park wherever they felt like.
They should have left the vehicle and checked the area again in a few days. Meanwhile they could contact family of the registered owner to get information and determine if anyone was missing. They would have heard about their plans and could have searched for them, they were only a couple of hundred yards away. This was preventable. They had gone into the town before, so they likely would have gone back if they could. Yes, they made a horrible decision to do this, but it was compounded by the ranger stranding them. By the time they went back to find their car missing, they may have been too weak to hike however many mikes it was to get to the town.
This is the most disturbing story I have ever heard you tell. I went off grid in 2012 for a time. I survived but that first winter I slept on the floor right next to my California Cool DIY rocket stove freezing my acorns. At the time I thought I was well prepared and I was by most standards but it was a big learning curve. I was a youngish strong man alone with no other responsibilities I cant imagine doing this in a tent the way they did.
How incredibly selfish,,, it’s not about you anymore when you have children!!! If this mother gave any sort of crap for her son,she would never have done this. She never gave any thought about his needs and safety when she dragged him off into the middle of nowhere. My thoughts are with Tallen and his father’s side of the family ❤it’s heartbreaking 😢
Actually, in her state of mind, she saw this as addressing his needs and safety, as well as her sister's. Ultimately entirely wrong, but she truly believed this departure from civilization was to his benefit. In her mind, not selfish at all.
She became the answer to the question "wHy aRe yoU aGAinST peOpLe tHINkiNG foR thEMsElVes" some people use to "justify" spreading conspiracy theories. This. This is why it's a bad thing to make people think skipping merrily into wilderness is "saving" them somehow.
Ive become very fond of your videos. You have a calm, unique way of telling a story. You dont dance around unpleasant facts in fear that you might offend someone. Great job. Love your stuff.
@@JudyGoodwin-l9b An old-fashioned hunter's or sheepherders tent (big canvas wall tent with a wood stove) might have been viable. A walmart tent wasn't. But as the snow got deep, gathering wood would have gotten very difficult, and they likely would have exhausted the supply within walking distnce.
I have heard this story but not with souch detail. When you said Talon said Oreo plopped for the last time I actually sobbed. My goodness that poor boy! 😢
@@WolfDreamer101 I don't know if it's in the video (not done yet) but an article says Oreo was dropped off with Trevela. I'm gonna assume they kept the cat or it found a new home.
I live near where they died and I can't imagine trying to live in a tent out here. I remember when this happened and wondering why they didn't walk out. There are active mines just down the road. I pan for gold in that creek and ski out there during the winter but never knew anyone was around. We are off grid out here too but we have shelter and a woodstove for goodness sake.
Yes, because a microchip that would likely only do the same things your phone does is definitely a worse outcome than this.... Also I have camped without a camping mattress in January in one of my first camping trips. I piled everything in the car from blankets to wet suits underneath me and barely kept warm, it was like the ground relentlessly sucked every scrap of warmth out of me... I couldnt have lasted one more day than I did, I would have spent my life savings on a bad hotel bed. Seeing them try with just a blanket made me shiver, I'd never go camping without a thick mattress even in the hottest summer now.
Look up various future planning forums and groups where the rich and stupid but connected to the powers that be are openly talking about microchipping everybody, using Central Bank Digital Currency and Social Credit Systems to control the populace, and how those same people believe that 90% of humanity needs to die off. Or, even easier, look at Joe Biden spitefully trying to start World War 3 because he couldn't run for office again and thus wants everyone to suffer. Or look up The Tuskegee Experiment, what really happened at Waco Texas in '93 and at Ruby Ridge, how the Soviet Gulags were ignored and how the Holodomor was covered up the The Grey Lady, and so much more. YES, these women were horrible and got both themselves and a child killed. Yes, the world is a worse place than you think it is, and people really do want the rest of the world under their thumb.
If you want to get chipped, go ahead. But I'm not a housecat or a dog. I carry ID and know who I am. I don't want anything implanted in my body. Especially involving a government that I've lost any and all faith in. There's no one I trust with that much control.
I can only imagine they did try to walk back to the car and it was gone. Then they were too weak and unprepared to hike out, and who knows what the weather was like. was there a lot of snow in the area over the winter? I can imagine Talon feeling so helpless. the people he relied on had gone nuts.
I’m thinking that they must have heard their car being towed away. All that noise in the woods? They had to have heard it happening. It’s senseless that they didn’t run out and at least alert the tow guy to their presence 🤔 unless they had hiked pretty far away. Even then, I can’t explain it. I grew up in a home surrounded by a woods. Human and machine sounds stand out to your ear. Such a sad sad story. 😢
So sad. They were terribly unprepared for a winter at 10,000 ft. They likely got snowed-in in such a remote area and had no way to call for help. That poor kid, trying so hard to support his mom.
I'm a Colorado native. I'm not really familiar with that particular area, but back roads in national forests are not usually plowed in the winter, and the snow will get several feet deep at 10,000 feet over the course of the winter, especially west of the Continental Divide. Their car got towed in November, which left them no chance of getting out, but that road probably wouldn't have been drivable for much longer anyway, and probably doesn't open again until May or June.
This is a perfect example of why you shouldn’t allow pride and delusional to take over! Want to be outdoorsy or off grid? Practice camping, research, prepare, go small before you run away from home. This is tragic for the child in specific. Appreciate your gentle care for this story.
And also.. don’t start at 10,000 feet. I live at 8000 ft not very far from where this occurred. I can relate to watching videos and wanting to run off into the wilderness, feeling like regular camp spots and anything comfortable or familiar seems “too easy” but I’ve been smart enough to not just go disappearing without preparations into the mountains because while we all at times want to have our “into the wild” story, it will always end tragically and always seems to be someone who wasn’t outdoorsy at all to begin with. Even car camping can be incredibly liberating and rewarding. Incase you want you’re tempted to take a journey like this, remember, it’s about the experience not about how cool or hardcore the story sounds. Be prepared, the best you can do is truly take care of yourself….
many of us living in the mountains are more prepared than this women chose to be, on ANY given day driving in Colorado and def way more wool and other winter preparations in our cars when camping minutes from home
Living in Colorado, I've heard this story before. I had no idea they were in Gold Creek. I camped there back in September. It is beautiful, very remote, definitely cold in September. The closest town is about 30 minutes drive south of there, not easy to get to, but a 7 miles hike on that road. I had no idea that they were in that area. It is so devastating that they brought the child with them.
If you isolate yourself from people, like Becky did, it’s a perfect opportunity for you to go off the rails because you have no other input to bring to back to reality. If you adopt a position and concentrate on nothing but that you can convince yourself of anything. So ill fated, so tragic but especially for Talon.
I mean there's more at play here than her just being a loner. Plenty of crazy people have crazy friends and plenty of lonely people aren't conspiracy theorists. It's just untreated mental illness.
I agree that the forest service dropped the ball here severely. Why are we paying people with masters degrees to run campgrounds if they cant ensure there is a missing persons report generated when a car is found abandoned in the park and the owner can not be contacted??? Also, the park service people couldn't do a search of the immediate area surrounding the campgrounds? I think the highway patrol does a much better job tracking down people from abandoned cars along the highway than the park service does for people's cars when found in the park, when the park is a much more likely place for the driver to have been lost or killed.
Highway patrol? They just tow the car same as the ranger did. The forest service tows 1000s of cars a year, they can't go around doing SAR for every abandoned vehicle, that would be impossible. Certainly not financially viable...
@thatcreepyxmastreeinyourat8950 If our social support infrastructure does not investigate if the owner is aware of their car being found and towed our systemhas failed. And subsequently our system has not determined, if the owner is alive when towing the car, our system has failed. i think our US system for dealing with abandoned cars is NOT fulfilling its job. We live in the 21st century. Computers track our movement and purchases. In the modern age a computer program could easily do a search to determine with a 97% accuracy if a person is alive or missing in under 5 minutes at littleto no cost. Tell me if I am wrong.
@@jasonneugebauer5310 It doesn't work like that. They would need a search warrant to get the phone records. What makes you think the sisters weren't hiding when the ranger went looking? Most the ranger could have done was contact the emergency # on file with the DMV.
As a fur mother of 5 cats who are my life, I cannot imagine just giving them away....poor Talons diary entries about Oreo really got to me. Kyle you did a phenomenal job on this story with plenty of details and backstory.
IKR! Though I am thankful they didn't take Oreo with them to suffer a similar fate...or even if it could have survived being a cat, it would have been a difficult, lonely existence. It was heartbreaking reading about Talon's love for Oreo, knowing he had to give him away.
Only going off the information presented here but... Someone towed their car?... okay. Did a brief search of the area?... sure. Contacted police and... the car owner's phones didn't connect?... Okay... And that's *it*? The *very least* law enforcement collectively would do next in - well, anywhere I can think of - would be to contact the next of kin under such OBVIOUSLY suspicious circumstances, or at least visit the license holder's address for a welfare check. No big searches needed at that point to bust the case wide open. Just a phone-call to emergency contacts and/or next of kin - you know, like they would do if someone feared for your welfare. This would have immediately highlighted some problems. Maybe that was already too late but given the timeline provided... who knows! That's what I got out of this - MSM and social media to hype you up, nobody there to catch you if you make a mistake, only the odd (no doubt understaffed) institution of authority to potentially cause you critical endangerment when they fail to follow through. And yet still... even with no safety net, this still woudn't be so tragic without that car being removed.... Did nobody consider how taking a car from a remote area without a search *could* mean a death sentence? Insane. In some places in the world, that could be considered dereliction of duty, while in others, even criminal negligence or reckless endangerment. Their story was already a tragic one, and maybe nothing could have been done. But it's most tragic where a bare and dangerous minimum prevails in some so-called "civilized" places when it comes to following a duty of care. That seems to be what's missing to me - and tragically overlooked.
I agree. That part of the account struck me as well. I think that's what doomed them. They had gone into town to resupply more than once, so there's no reason to think that Becky or Christine would have decided to do without supplies when they ran low later. I think they would be alive today had the official patrol done a thorough investigation. Their failure led to the deaths of the child and the women. It was negligence, dereliction of duty. That poor child.
I completely agree with you. I can’t understand why the authorities simply towed the car away- without performing a massive search of the area and researching the car’s owner and contacting next of kin. I don’t even want to think about a scenario where the sisters and Talon made up their minds to leave and then FOUND THEIR CAR GONE!! That was their lifeline!!!
The car being towed is likely the main reason for staying put. After a week without food, they would definitely be willing to go to town and buy supplies.
Finally, the right take. The car being towed is likely what killed them. They were unprepared, yes, but that car was their safety net and it was taken away.
Idk man, if we're talking about the system failing them, their car getting towed is like the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg. I mean, there must be answers for most questions, which wasn't neccessarily discussed here, but there was like a dozen of different occasions when the authorities could've and probably should've intervene in some sort of way, for a number of reasons. It was almost like the exact opposite of what this lady was affraid of, due to her contheo beliefs. Not that the big brother didn't watch her, but she was completely off the leash in terms of rules and regulations. She could do quiet literally whatever she wanted. The way she kicked the father of her child out of their lives, but kept the "mother in law", and she took the kid out of school, while not working, and she didn't even keep her plans a secret, other than the West Virginia thing, she didn't even had to lie. Several people knew, and didn't do anything. There are stories on this channel, where people report their loved ones missing after like 4 hours of no communication, but in this case, nobody did a thing, other than the stepsis offering her place to stay, or saying a bunch of times that this is a bad idea. They could've been saved years before they actually died.
Becky's stupidity is just criminal..... How anyone could do this to their own child is beyond me. She really should be posthumously charged with child abuse.
She clearly wasn't well and urgently needed mental health intervention. She didn't set out to harm her child. She was so paranoid that she thought she was doing the right thing by him.
@@letsrock1729 Her being mentally unwell- as opposed to selfish and stupid- is speculation on your part. Not everything is a mental health crisis, sometimes people are just delusional, arrogant assholes. You're trying to snatch accountability away from her and put it on some abstract mental health issue we don't know existed.
@@seanking1775 Agreed. People need to stop blaming "mental health" on everything. Nothing gets better by blaming it on something else. She KNEW that she was risking her son by doing this dumb crap. Talon, may your soul find God. God bless you.
I mean it kinda seems more like a bizarre self end pack that the drug the poor kid along for. Like the sister was 100% against it at 1st because she knew it wasn't rational to think you could survive like that. Then she realized that was the point. Just listen to the reasons she gave for agreeing: she was depressed, she was out of shape, she was getting older with not much to show for it, etc. Those are reasons people usually give for ending it, not living off the grid. Also not at all surprised the kid passed 1st. They likely kept the last food for themselves. Plus they clearly had WAY more fat stores. Just selfish evil women imo.
I’ve heard all about this from several channels, but I’m going to listen to this one too. People never cease to amaze me in the things they do… especially their lack of regard for their kids.
If they had been well mentally, they would never have done this. You can’t ask for rational thinking out of un rationale minds. This is just a very sad story.
@@Bindismomtrue but she had the wherewithal to lie about her plans to the people who would’ve stopped her. It’s hard not to see it as criminal at that point.
@@videoettaceo8900This is why pleading insanity as a defense in court usually fails. The person commiting some heinous crime often takes steps to hide what they're doing, or did, and therefore MUST be aware it is wrong. These women went to the mountains grossly unprepared and HID telling no one where they were going! Blaming mental illness is just not the entire answer to their behavior.
Poor Talon , this is so heartbreaking. He had no say in what happened. Adults have the right to do what they will with their lifes, but not with childrens lifes. May they all rest in peace.
This wasn’t off grid living. Off grid living would’ve been taking the offer her step sister presented to her and learning to homestead and be self sufficient. This was definitely conspiracy theory fueled and such a terribly bad and sad decision.
I was supposed to become a nurse in 2020. But after the pan demic hit , i have been depressed for the last five years, succumbed to my home . I understand how the sisters mentally fell into this deep dark hole and it was too late for them to get out. Im deeply sad for the poor boy,wish they hadn't taken him with them. But in their minds,they were going to be the survivors against the world. I wish to get back in the world in 2025. Hope all of us can find the courage to face the world as it comes.
Common sense says that they were stuck because their car got towed. They shouldn't have left their vehicle in the way that they did, AND the ones who towed it should have made sure the owners weren't nearby, should have identified who's vehicle it was at least. After all, the video here even covers how they would head for town whenever they needed something, so they probably relied on that. The car was towed in Dec just as the first really cold weather was about to set in....I'm sure when it got cold they probably did head for the car only to find it gone.... This seems like such an avoidable tragedy.
Finally. A guy who knows how to tell a story. Thanks for not giving it away at the start. I listen to crime shows and they're told fairly well, but how much more interesting they would be if they left the mystery in it.
So.. the ranger towed their car and didn't bother to send a search party? Search dogs? Helicopters? Check the phone locations?...Tell anyone? They were not professional campers but they were surviving somehow and driving back to town for supplies , but their car was towed and they became stuck there. May their souls rest in paradise.
A lot of people have no idea as to the amount of good calories one person needs to live comfortably for a day in the wilderness. It's a LOT more than leading a sedentary lifestyle.
I really don’t understand why the authorities didn’t search for the “abandoned” vehicle’s owners. The family wasn’t far from the campground and they also made trips into town for supplies. Couldn’t the rangers have investigated by talking to store owners in the town? I think the lockdowns were to blame for the sisters’ elevated mental issues. Lockdowns were hard enough with a stable mind but isolation when you’re depressed already is an absolute recipe for disaster. The government and MSM had a field day with their fear propaganda and mass formation psychosis experiment on their citizens. Never forget. Never forgive.
Hi Kyle! Thanks for covering this story. I live in Colorado Springs, and I was thoroughly surprised to hear about this family and their experience trying to live off the grid, and their unfortunate demise. Thanks again for filling us in on the deets. RIP
They took seeds with them and seemed to think that they were going to just go out there and start a vegetable garden. This would have been an almost impossible task in virgin land. Yet another thing for which they were horrifically unprepared. So terrible that a young boy was caught up in this madness.
There's not a whole lot you can even grow at 10,000 feet in any case. You've got a month to a month and a half frost free, and the temperature rarely gets much above 70 Fahrenheit in midsummer. In the fall and winter, nothing. They didn't even have guns to hunt. A moolse or elk or two might get feed you through the winter.
It was never a struggle to realize how fragile and vulnerable I am. This story dumbfounds me and makes me wonder if it wasn’t a subconscious suicide pact. But the car getting towed was their undoing. Once they realized they were all going to die, nothing could have stopped them from trying to get out except snow, or car trouble. They seem unbelievably naïve.
Seven miles is not an impossible walk by any means, at least before the snow gets deep. But I think they though the food they bought in October was enough to make it through the winter, and apparently they didn't realize until it was too late that it wasn't enough.
This story just made me angry. I grew up NE of Colorado Springs and I used to go camping BY MYSELF as early as aged 10. I knew better than to go without the things the Vance Sisters did! Nature is indifferent to mistakes and will take your life as soon as not when you screw up. I hate that Talon had to suffer their stupidity
Kyle, you told this story so well. It's to your credit that your presentation was unbiased and level-headed given the sister's radical belief systems. I love your channel - and - I'm even purchasing some DrinkLMNT for the 1st time. Thx.
Super sad story! It was very irresponsible to trek off into the wilderness with no outdoor experience! And criminal to drag the child along! I don't know why they wouldn't have recognized the fact that they couldn't survive a winter with such inadequate gear! They would have been lucky to survive a summer with no way to hunt or get wood for fire, much less not knowing about the Life Straws! It's so tragic and maddening!
I live in Colorado Springs and I remember this horrible incident. I’m very familiar with the area they camped and it’s a very rugged mountain area. The elements at that altitude can be brutal. Thank you for your post.
For someone who spent so much time on the internet she failed miserably at off grid living research. I’m so angry for the poor child. As a mother-to just pap your childs body outside and die? Horrible but clearly there was severe mental illness going on.
The poor child probably died inside the tent, and they put his body outside because they couldn't dig a grave for him. They were so misguided to take him with them. That dear sweet child.
If the car hadn't been towed, they would have just gone back to town. That's what killed them. Those two troubled women would not have let that child starve to death if they had a way out.
They might have gotten out if they didn't wait too long. I'm not familiar with that particular road, but Forest Service roads are not usually plowed in the winter, and that area gets a lot of snow. By Christmas at the latest, that road would not have been drivable, and the snow gets several feet deep before it melts out in April or May.
The forest service dropped the ball here severely. You know what is deadly. Walking back to your car in December after a month in the mountans to find your car has been towed by the park service and now you can't leave the wilderness. Why are we paying people with masters degrees to run campgrounds if they cant ensure there is a missing persons report generated when a car is found abandoned in the park and the owner can not be contacted??? Also, the park service people couldn't do a search of the immediate area surrounding the campgrounds? I think the highway patrol does a much better job tracking down people from abandoned cars along the highway than the park service does for people's cars when found in the park, when the park is a much more likely place for the driver to have been lost or killed. Very sad the people died. Very sad the park officials did not follow through with filling a report with the police to verify the people from the car were located before towing the car.
By December, it's likely they couldn't have driven out anyway. Most of those Forest Service roads are not plowed in the winter, and the snow gets to several feet deep there. Yes, I think they could have made a better effort to find them before towing their car, but the car would have done them now good unless they drove out before they got snowed in for the winter.
This is one of the saddest stories I have heard. That poor child thought he was safe. I wonder what horrible thoughts he must have had when he realized how horrible the situation was. RIP❤
They didn’t need to tow their car away. It literally took away any chance they had to leave. Just heartbreaking that this young Boy was forced into such a situation. That poor baby ugh
They would have been stranded when the snow got too deep in any case. Those Forest Service roads are not plowed in the winter, and the snow there was probably at least two feet deep sometime between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Let's face it: We're all here for that 'morbid fascination', as you put it. Why? Probably because we all live lives far away from those existential, raw experiences, close to death. However, deep down, we know that they are part of the human nature and condition. We all are vulnerable, we all will die, no matter how hard we try to escape that fact. And this kind of story-telling might be some sort of compensation for our daily ignorance of the darker side of our lives.
As soon as the car was towed away, it removed any hope of them leaving, even if they had wanted to. I questioned why, if the plates were run, there wasn’t a search for the owner the area? BI assume it was registered to Becky or Christine. I felt so sorry for the boy, who at his age needed social interaction, even if it was online. It was apparent how much this bothered him. Also, what was the deal with the cat??? It sounded like mom maybe ended it’s life with Talen there? That alone, would be so traumatic for the boy. Becky and Christine both needed mental health care. When I learned they were going to 10,000 feet in Colorado for winter, so ill-prepared, I knew they wouldn’t survive. What a tragedy.
Very respectful take on this case Kyle. The Vance family were deserving of it. I've heard other creators talk about this case and some have almost picked on those poor folks. Thanks Kyle.
I live in the vicinity of the area in this video, and for a week or two in the winter of 2023 we had a cold snap that registered colder than the Arctic, The temperatures dropped down somewhere in the -18F to -22F.. Even with central heating, I went through approximately 10-12 boxes of Duraflame Fire Logs during that Arctic blast. A cheap tent with a camping stove, simply would not have protected these 3 people. It's so sad!!! Thank you for posting this story.
There needs to be a law established regarding vehicles found in remote locations. If a vehicle is found there should be procedures to initiate a missing persons case even if there is no local report. The vehicle should not be removed unless there is a thorough search conducted of the area and relatives of the vehicle owner are contacted to get additional information. If there is a person on a remote camping venture it would seal their fate if the vehicle was towed away upon their return. If a full search and rescue response is not justified maybe the officer who finds the vehicle can leave a note and a emergency SOS beacon in a sealed container with instructions to where to return it after contacting the authorities. I would guess they did at some point realize that they were not prepared for the cold conditions. Given the decline in mental health I would say they were in a state of psychosis induced by the pandemic. It is possible that they simply failed to think ahead about paying phone bills and never considered the car would be discovered or towed away. Those two life lines simply got cut without any warning. By the time there was snow on the ground they would have surely realized. They likely tried to remain calm and composed to ease the suffering for the boy.
We're made to live on this earth but we've forgotten how. Sad outcome for what was supposed to be a better life. I dream to live off grid but definitely not in a tent. Wow they started off brave & did their best. Towing the car didn't help that's for sure. That must've been terrifying to see it gone. I'm sure they would've have left if they could
This is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard!! Brought tears to my eyes seriously. I just feel terrible. My gosh what is wrong with people! Children completely depend on adults to keep them safe at the least! I’m so angry, horrified and just sad. Poor baby. ❤
Not to speak ill of anyone- I’m just curious as to why after years of being online watching preppers and similar content you would be so woefully unprepared?
This December will be my fifth year living off grid. I haven’t died yet, but it’s been challenging. Mother Nature can be brutal for the unprepared. It’s the best decision I’ve ever made. Now I no longer just hand my money over each month to a landlord who in most cases doesn’t really care.
Wow... my heart goes out to Talon who never deserved to be in this situation and also the sisters who needed mental health treatment.... how incredibly heartbreaking
My first thought too. The sisters needed mental health treatment and dragged that poor kid to his death. I have relatives who self isolated/self neglected, but thank goodness no innocent children were involved. My heart breaks for Tallon.
I wonder if the sisters where schizofrenic. It is often genetic with paranoia, into conspiracy theories, a need to isolate. Many don't look for treatment without force too.
@@teijaflink2226 They very well could have been. That poor little boy!
@@teijaflink2226 If only medical treatment was FREE in the USA. This may not have happened.
@@xoselhket Steups.
Going off the grid, not necessarily a bad thing. Going off the grid unprepared and ignorantly, deadly.
For an adult sure, but kids aren't ready for that.
People need to stop thinking of nature as safe and peaceful. There's a reason we made cities happen. The frontier is unforgiving, merciless, brutal, and cruel.
Even experienced people can make mistakes. It takes years of training, or growing up with it. Not a tent and a whim.
@WynneL
American cities are way more dangerous than living off grid. I’ve lived in both, and will always take Mother Nature if given the chance. Sure enough there’s challenges, but overcoming those obstacles are what makes it so fulfilling. To each his own, but I would never choose to live in a city again, I just have no desire.
@@WynneLhave you been living under a stone? Because man is far more deadly than nature, especially the 68.9 brigade of a certain religion of hatred
As sad as this story is, it points out a reality that more people need to understand about camping/hiking/going off grid. Prepared or not, nature doesn't care.
@fortesfortunajuvat6782 "In nature, there are no accidents; only consequences."
It's called common sense, most people don't have it
Real life victims of extremists online who traffic in lies and misinformation for political gain, and the clicks. 😡
These women didn’t just “go off the grid”-they totally lost all of their marbles. They weren’t playing with a full deck, and they were causing damage to a child with their insanity.
The fact that they went “off the grid” at a campsite on government land when they could’ve stayed on private land instead makes absolutely no sense too, but they needed an intervention. This was reckless endangerment of a child and it should have been reported to the authorities.
@@SerenaWilliams-g1c I don't think they could have found a worse place to spend the winter. Winters in that area are absolutely brutal. Temperatures rarely above freezing and deep snow all winter (and winter lasts well into what would be spring in most places). They could have gone somewhere in the desert and had a decent chance of surviving the winter. Instead, they got themselve stranded in an extremely hostile environement.
When adults make foolish decisions, I feel bad. When they involve children, I feel infuriated. Such a foolish and senseless tragedy! Thank you for such a compassionate presentation!
I am so very angry at Becky. First of all, she didn't really allow Eric to be in Talon's life. That makes me so angry. Then she dragged her son into her madness. He didn't deserve to die like that.
@@pollypockets508 The image of him being found curled up in a fetal position is haunting . . .
Exactly the word I used. My son is eleven and I don't even like the idea of his feet getting cold if he's not wearing socks. I just can't imagine letting anyone suffer like that and then dragging their body out and leaving it feet from the tent. Let alone a young boy, your own son 😡 Especially since I'm an EMT, my whole personality revolves around making people comfortable. Showing them I care. I can't even imagine having the type of mind to do this. This was just so so heartbreaking. The journal entries... My God 😢
@@pollypockets508 yes. Why not let him go live with his dad, or the grandma even, and go let herself starve and freeze. The boy didn't have a choice 😢 It's beyond awful.
..... I can't believe Kyle doesn't have his microchip yet
It's amazing to me that with all the time Becky spent online, she obviously didn't bother to look into real survival skills. How did she think they were prepared for winter in the wilderness? It would have been tragic on its own, but that she involved a kid in her terrible plan makes it so much worse. That poor kid had a whole life ahead of him.
She had put the weight of learning survival skills onto her son. She likely didn’t see that as problematic b/c her mother expected her to raise her younger sister Christine. That poor child was the “man” of the house. This is a very problematic view to put on the child that never had the luxury of a father or grandpa to teach him. Also, survival skills are best learnt outdoors & they are useless if you aren’t well equipped. The car was the most important survival tool they had, but it would have been useless in the Colorado Rocky Mountain snows. Maybe if it had melted off in winter, but how did they expect to keep it running? There is waaaay more involved in off gridding. They were likely too broke to allow themselves any real training. Who knows though?
Because the Internet tricks every naive keyboard survivalist wannabe think that it's so simple & easy to set snares to catch a few rabbits, spear a few fish from the stream, & making a fire with a found piece of glass, or fire stove from an abandoned barrel... When in fact it takes years of learning & practice to become an avid outdoorsman. And the smart ones tell you they have much yet to learn. Only fools mess with Mother Nature & her lessons are hard learned
And every adult should know, the most important thing is to isolate you from the cold ground. Learn from the homeless! Also, don´t go somewhere cold if you aren't prepared for it. otherwise you'll die! And it requires some expensive gear and it is uncomfortable to live off the grid. You also have to be physically strong and quite smart and skilled. They had months to prepare and they did not think about any of that?
Because, most likely, mental illness leading to paranoia and inability to even see herself functioning in society in general? Yeah, her son, never really stood a chance. Maybe if he was just a couple years older it would of went differently. He was just getting to the age where kids start to distance a bit from the family group in search for personal independence and explore where they fit in themselves over the next few years(his depression showed that). He was feeling it but, given his mothers mental instabilities(that would of seem normal to him as he was isolated as well). Saddening story for the family :( I am just wondering why the other sister was so easily sucked into it all though.
Dunning Kruger is a hell of a drug... and from other comments: She thought her perfect little boy could do everything.
Also, never be too prideful to abandon your wild plans when you realize it’s not going according to hopes. ❤️
Especially when the lives of your children hang in the balance 😢
No way. Double down & go for broke! 🤣 Invest your life savings in meme coins! Mortgage your house and buy a quarter of a million Lotto tickets! Drink a 30-pack and go for a jet ski! Yolooooooo!!!!!
Also, maybe don’t leave your car where it will get towed by the time you admit you should abandon the plan.
About 1/3 of my backcountry hiking permits at grand canyon remained unused for sentiments akin to your statement.
Thank u for making it succinctly and distinctly❤
(P.S. I did get go Rim to Rim several times and Rim to river more than a few in the three years total I did get to live & work there).
Where Becky is concerned, I don't think it has anything to do with pride.
Those two women took EVERYTHING from that kid. A normal childhood. A normal education. His family. His cat. His safety. His life. Absolutely everything.
I hope someone kind took care of the kitty. Did the kid want to go? If he did he could have been brainwashed.
I can see how she ended up like that. But to drag a child out like that and make him do this is just cruel.
His safety for sure but nothing wrong with homeschooling your children. Schools these days leave a lot to be desired and kids actually educationally, and socially. Kids most certainly can have an above normal childhood schooling at home. I’ve home schooled all of my children and they all turned out well except one who didn’t like homeschooling and returned to public schools than. Got involved with the wrong crowd, and is now correcting some of those mistakes. I feel badly because this young man lost his life over mainly over unfounded conspiracies As a parent we aren’t given a manual and I’m sure she thought she was doing what was best unfortunately this mistake was deadly.
@@YorkshireRose-rt3fk You're right, but she didn't see it that way. They never do.
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Obvious severe mental health issues. It is so sad that Talon was affected by it so deeply that he didn’t have the fortitude to escape his situation. Good job on this story, Kyle.
Well, when she decided to name her kid Talon it should’ve sent off alarm bells. Poor kid never had a chance.
He really had no choice. At the end of the day he was a child completely dependent on his mother/family. Even if he didn’t want to go he didn’t have an option. He could have told his mother he didn’t want to and then what?
Plenty of kids don’t want to move when their parents decide to relocate but it’s not up to them. if the plans had been reported to CPS by the family that had offered the land I wonder if they would have legal grounds to intervene. Talon didn’t go to school so he didn’t have many outside outlets like a teacher to report the plans to. So that family would have been the only ones with the knowledge to intervene.
The mother’s irrational choices which I am sure she thought were protecting her son instead led to his death. She essentially killed him.
Even sadder is the fact that everyone in the extended family knew Becky was nuts, but no one tried to stop her from dragging a child with her into oblivion. Not one of them tried to get her to seek mental help.
Didn’t want to stay at sisters land because it had road access so they made a camp 150 yards away from a campground on a hiking trail. Makes sense
That road access and the shelter of the caravan would have saved them.
@@SustyDank Nothing in this story makes any sense. Bizarre.
Mental illness is a hell of a thing. Nothing makes sense at all. Except to the crazy person thinking it... 😢
@@AwesomeFish12 Very likely.
Conspiracy nuts, not the clearest thinkers.
That poor child. What a deeply selfish woman to force her delusion upon her vulnerable son. I have compassion as she was clearly mentally ill but when you become a parent the well-being of your child must come before your own needs and wants.
I disagree
I think she believed this choice of hers was best for her son's well-being. (Wrong, of course, but that would be her attitude.)
@@mapofthesoultagme7143 which part?
In her delusion, the world outside posed a greater threat to her son. It has to be viewed almost like a cult, when people get that deep into a wide-ranging conspiracy world, it affects their whole worldview, so to understand how they think, you have to acknowledge that this delusion of a world exists to them. This sort of anti-social ideology spread through survivalism and identifying almost everyone as Other, Add on that malnutrition, probably poor sleep because they only had a tent to sleep in, the effects of possible hypothermia, the fear, the guilt possibly after the first person died... all of that can lead to poor judgement. They likely thought atp that they COULDN'T go back... regardless of their needs and wants. An unstable mind in a precarious situation will make wild assumptions, and based on the past behavior... they were kinda prone to wild leaps even on a good day. Something to keep in mind.
"I have compassion" you say, then proceed to victim-blame. The whole problem with mental illness is that it makes you THINK you ARE putting the well-being of your child before your own needs and wants. Covid's killing people, she's scared--do you think she wasn't scared for her child? "Off the grid" during an epidemic would theoretically be safer.
Blaming a person with delusion for not knowing what's real is about as sensible as blaming a child for immaturity. It simply doesn't work that way.
I feel so horrible for the boy. If the Ranger saw the abandoned car and it wasn’t too far from the campground, I’m shocked that they didn’t send a search team. It seemed like their tent wasn’t that far away from the campground.
It said he searched the area and found nothing, and the numbers were disconnected. Mounting searches like that take a lot of time, money, and manpower, and launching searches every time a vehicle is found would lead to fatigue amongst the rescuers.
Exactly I mean who is to say they did not try to return to the vehicle which is when they realized their true fate.
@@FaithAndLoveFaithAndLovethis sounds like the most plausible explanation
@@FaithAndLoveFaithAndLove I thought of that too 😓 maybe they did try to leave, only to discover their vehicle was gone.
@@devsie11915 This unfortunate tragedy just brings up a better protocol should be in place for park rangers before having a car towed. Like at least locate the next of kin & contact them by phone he most likely did a simple sweep & called it in ... They already said reception was practically none in that area so why assume calling just their cell phones would have been sufficient...
People don’t understand, and obviously these women had zero understanding just how much food you need to survive in the wilderness.
We take it for granted how easy food is to come by in a civilisation.
Unless you are an experienced hunter plus have a deep understanding of flora and fourna, you have no chance of living permanently in the wilderness.. that is just yeh food problem to. Warmth in Winter is a massive problem aswell and a tent will just not cut it.. you need proper clothing and ideally a cabin. Plus the amount of fire wood needed for an entire winter is massive. These women were doomed the moment they left.
That poor child..that’s the part that breaks my heart and if I’m honest, makes me angry at those silly women!
Most people do not know how much food they need to survive at home. I ask family if they are prepared for a blackout and they say yes we have food in. That food will turn out to be half a bag of frozen chips and a can of beans. With no gas they cannot cook anyway.
A years worth of baked beans for me and my partner takes up so much room being 365 cans. That's only 200 cal each. People have no idea.
Even so called hunters cheat all the time. They are not brave at all. IF they had to do it as they did in the past they would fail miserably and their grade would be animals taking them away in big pieces. respect
@@donbunson5031 Big cans help and it is more like 600 cal and peanut butter, jelly, but use sparingly or bananas but yes freeze em bananas but that would be luxury. Oats, soy milk or plant milks and then get these plant milks in containers that do not need refrigeration. Protein bars 100% plant based. so much yes
@@donbunson5031Buy sardines not beans. Less space, more nutrition.
I greatly appreciate the extreme care and the sensitivity with which you approach all of your stories and I want to thank you for encouraging your viewers to be kind in the comments. You are a rarity and a true gentleman. Thank you!
Funny some of his so-called conspiracy theories about the world coming to an end and chips being put in US are in the Bible
Agree, I think his compassion rubbed off on us all, because the comments are not the usual you see on YT.
@clearday9525 That is for sure. His audience is very respectful, and I wish everyone would inspire their viewers to be respectful the way he does. He is a respectable young man.
@@kathyh.7709 I second that! Others could learn a lot from him.
10:16 This sounds to me like Becky wanted a child to replace the emotional bond she had with her mother. So basically, as far as she was concerned, the guy was just a sperm donor, she didn’t have any use for him once she had her baby.
And then her kid was just her buddy 😡 he wanted to take care of her, he picked out candy just because "Mommy likes" it. She didn't deserve his sweet soul. Mental illness or not.
I'm glad someone said it. This woman was severely disturbed, horrible person amd definitely not a real mother.
This generation of "baby mamas" and "baby daddies" have created so much confusion, so much chaos in the lives of their kids. And that generation is having children...generational brokenness...no concept of a healthy relationship between a married, devoted couple who are loyal to their family. This is only getting worse. It isn't backwards to be committed to a marriage, a spouse and a family. It's the best gift you can give your children...and their children.
@@rosemadder5547 Agreed.
I can't help but think these people saw one of those back-to-nature-survivalist youtube channels where the man digs a hole, cuts down some lumber and 1-2-3 creates a snug, warm and cozy place for himself for the winter. So much is left out of those channels, and if you're not watching closely you could be tricked into thinking it is something You can do. Pardon me, Kyle if I'm repeating you, but I couldn't take watching this video - I've heard this story before and just couldn't take hearing it again. It is too tragic, especially for that poor kid.
They had plently of time to understand that none of them cant do anything to survive off grid. Besides up til november they had a car to get away from there. Rebecca was mentally ill crazy person with low intellect forcing her son and sister into death which proves that none of them 3 had any intellectual capabilities. Look at that campsite in 3 months they built a tent and some useless wooden structure. Equipment not sufficent nor organized. Wrong choice of food and equipment. The boy was 14 so basicly a man, but since he did grow up together with bunch of crazy women he had no knowledge either. Very sad and tragic.
@@martinlatvian5538 14 is not 'basically a man' (and he was actually 13). He was still a child, so wasn't in a position to just up and leave to save himself. And he didn't sound as though he had poor intellectual capabilities going on his journal entries. His entries were contemplative and showed intelligence.
They left the only member of the family that was equipped to deal with the outdoors behind...the cat.
The fact that the adults watched their child die and did not go for help, unless the car had already been towed. I feel like in that case they would have at least been on the move going for help. Just awful.
@@goody2shoes384Indoor, domesticated cats (and dogs) do not have those skills.
All I can imagine is Talon begging his Aunts to drive them out of there in his last days. Those women had given up on life and yes, they dragged that boy with them. Sucks that the women didn't have people in their lives to help them work on mental health. This is going to haunt me for the rest of the night.
I have a feeling at some point they couldn't leave because when you don''t drive your car, your battery dies.
I can't imagine sitting by while my child is starving and doing nothing. Wow wow wow
@@Lucretcielathat takes months though.
@@WarPigstheHun My 4 year old BMW wouldn't start after 6 weeks of not being turned on.
I think they got sick either from water source or contaminated soil, they were all so sick they couldn’t go get help would explain the feaces and malnutrition
I said this in a comment in another video about this, and I will say it again.
I grew up planting vegetable gardens and you need to till the ground, remove rocks, prepare the ground for planting, make sure that you’re planting at the right times, pull up the weeds, make sure that the plants are getting enough water and sunlight, make sure that pests are staying away from the plants and then you need to know when to harvest the vegetables and how to preserve them.
They were so unprepared it’s heartbreaking.
True, most that live off grid know survival basics AND are self sufficient at wild food prep, know how to create a forest garden of edibles that works with nature and not against and set themselves up accordingly for prepping the food for winter storage and hunting as well. They went up there like a couple of city folk who were gong camping for a weekend not even thinking of bringing protection against the wild life.
Also you have to be able to hide/keep them from other animals who might eat your veggies before you can. And did they start their experiment in autumn? Why not wait till it gets warm in spring and start when it's easier? You can try the hard mode later.
Not only that but that first garden is all a learning harsh experience tomatos, bell peppers, okra, and eggplant were my easiest but the rest just bombed horribly but I learned and just kept going but if you don’t have a years worth of canned up and dehydrated along with store bought stuff like oil, sugar, flour, and so forth, you will be very hungry. 4 years into gardening I tested my knowledge and ate only from my garden, chickens, fish from lake, I lost 30 lbs lol I realized I better double the size of my garden.
There aren't a whole lot of crops you can even grow at 10,000 feet above sea level in the Colorado Rockies. You've got maybe a month frost -free and high temperatures mostly 60's to low '70's in the summer. Peas and oats, maybe, in a good year.
@@danielleterry2331 yeah, my parents use the gardens to supplement what was bought at the store and depending on what it was we either ran out quickly or it lasted until we had another harvest.
For years the peas were eaten before they could be blanched and frozen as us kids would just go into the garden and eat them or eat too many while shelling them.
String beans were the ones that did really well for us and had plenty.
One year we had so many string beans that my parents told people they knew to come and pick what they wanted; they just needed to call first.
Wow. We've been living in unprecedented times. The toll has affected us all. If you are feeling isolated, know that you aren't alone. Find something you are passionate about and connect with others who share the same interests. If you feel overwhelmed, know that there are loved ones and friends who would gladly listen to, encourage and support you. The trail gives us that temporary space, time and permission to catch our breath, grieve and heal. Then we return back to life. The trail will always be there when you need it. Hugs to anyone who is struggling. You are not alone.
What a lovely comment 🌹
Thank you for this comment, hit it on the dot. When you are battling with any mental issues it is hard to make sense of anything and even more with a huge unknown like C. Plus the added grief that one goes through when losing a loved one is incomprehensible. I think the Doom & gloom was a significant feeling that overwhelmed the adults. I pray for their souls to find peace, especially for that young boy who had no choice. Talon, I pray Jesus Christ have Mercy on you🙏❤️🔥🙏❤️🔥✝️
Really nice, encouraging comment.
That's a lovely comment Amy 💖
I have done a lot of camping in northern Michigan and a few other places but I know I could never handle completely off the grid and at that altitude, especially in the winter. They had no experience and therefore no chance and it is so sad that they forced that poor child to go with them.
You need top shelf mountaineering gear and an enourmos number of military rations or high quality back packer dinners. The truth is it costs a fortune in equipment and food and takes a decade of time spent in the wilderness in less severe environments. The truth is even with the best gear money can buy and an unlimited amount of food and fuel for the stove even with all that it would suck bad out there! If you were there to climb or ski it might be fun for a month! It would cost a lot of money just for 2 weeks. The old timers that survived those kind of conditions centuries ago had way better equipment than people realize and carried enourmos amounts of food ready to eat. Living outside in a place like Colirado in the mountains in the winter is going to cost way more money than living in a modest apartment.
@@sndspderbytes That is pretty much what I figured and they didn't even have enough to be safe in the beginning and no idea of what they were really taking on. I have some idea of it but know damned well I couldn't do it, especially in the mountains in winter. Wouldn't even consider it let alone try.
Yes, anyone who has spent time in the wilderness knows this was a bad, very bad, horrible idea! 😒
@@sndspderbytes If they'd had rifles, they might have been able to kill a moose, elk, or a few deer and had enough meat to survive the winter. I don't think $500 worth of groceries would be enough to keep three people alive for a whole winter there. They also bought a camping stove, but how much fuel did the buy? They would have needed a lot just for a whole winter of cooking, and even more if they were using it for heating or to melt snow for drinking water.
@@Tlyna1952 I'm a Colorado native, and winters at 10,000 feet are brutal. And the area they were in can get a ridiculous amount of snow (several feet over the course of a winter, and it doesn't melt that high up).
This is absolutely heartbreaking. She was so afraid to actually live her life that she took her son and sister with her. May they R.I.P.
I’m a mom and I just cannot imagine intentionally putting my children in danger. Why did the sister who chose not to go not call CPS or the police? Obviously this poor child was in distress, and his basic needs not being taken care of. Rest in peace, sweet Talon. You deserved SO much better than your mother and Aunt gave you. 💔
You sound like me which is unsatisfied with this story there must be more. Was Becky running from something she did? So many questions?
It makes me so angry when people make foolish decisions that have devastating effects on their children. This was so senseless.
my heart breaks for talon... the selfishness of his mother cost him his life and any bit of joy he had. i hope he is resting peacefully.
This is so sad, but at the same time its one of the best, most gripping stories you've told. I have an 11 year old boy, am an EMT, and this story was ... Infuriating. Heart breaking. What painful deaths. That said, You tell stories with like...MrBallen level skill. This has become my favorite channel..And the respect given to the victims is always so nice. Again, like MrBallen, wholesome.
MrBallen's gyrations make him impossible for me to watch. That Chapter is a favorite of mine.
I'm trying to understand how they didn't want the camper because there was an access road and mailing address, but they used an access road to get to a National Park, which definitely has a mailing address, but lacks a camper.
But no one knew they were there… this couldn’t receive mail etc. That was what they wanted, to be alone.
This is the sort of disorganized thinking that can accompany mental illness…some things can be taken to the extreme while common sense stuff is completely ignored.
Off topic, Sheriff Grady Judd just busted a ring of Pedos at Disney world 🌎 Is there a safe place in this country to take our children? Granted, these two women had no clue what they were doing. They killed a child and themselves. Unfortunately COVID killed many people in various ways. Rest in peace Talon. You deserved so much more in life. Not everyone that can have children should have children. We need a license to drive. We need a license to hunt/fish. Yet, any idiot can breed. 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 For Talon.
It was quite foolish/stupid of the ranger to have the car towed without further investigation.
They can't just leave vehicles all over the place! If they did places like that would become completely inaccessible. Not to mention without any repercussions, folks would just park wherever they felt like.
They couldn't know what vehicles are involved in something when mostly they're abandoned.
Absolutely.
All over the place? One vehicle in a remote location should have alerted the ranger that someone could be stranded if they tow it.
They should have left the vehicle and checked the area again in a few days. Meanwhile they could contact family of the registered owner to get information and determine if anyone was missing. They would have heard about their plans and could have searched for them, they were only a couple of hundred yards away. This was preventable. They had gone into the town before, so they likely would have gone back if they could. Yes, they made a horrible decision to do this, but it was compounded by the ranger stranding them. By the time they went back to find their car missing, they may have been too weak to hike however many mikes it was to get to the town.
This is the most disturbing story I have ever heard you tell. I went off grid in 2012 for a time. I survived but that first winter I slept on the floor right next to my California Cool DIY rocket stove freezing my acorns. At the time I thought I was well prepared and I was by most standards but it was a big learning curve. I was a youngish strong man alone with no other responsibilities I cant imagine doing this in a tent the way they did.
Why didn't they at least borrow the sister's camper? WTAF🥺 It was Co-Vid crazy, undocumented secondary disease or something like that.
Did any of them actually ever have COVID?
How incredibly selfish,,, it’s not about you anymore when you have children!!! If this mother gave any sort of crap for her son,she would never have done this. She never gave any thought about his needs and safety when she dragged him off into the middle of nowhere. My thoughts are with Tallen and his father’s side of the family ❤it’s heartbreaking 😢
Actually, in her state of mind, she saw this as addressing his needs and safety, as well as her sister's. Ultimately entirely wrong, but she truly believed this departure from civilization was to his benefit. In her mind, not selfish at all.
She became the answer to the question "wHy aRe yoU aGAinST peOpLe tHINkiNG foR thEMsElVes" some people use to "justify" spreading conspiracy theories. This. This is why it's a bad thing to make people think skipping merrily into wilderness is "saving" them somehow.
Ive become very fond of your videos. You have a calm, unique way of telling a story. You dont dance around unpleasant facts in fear that you might offend someone. Great job. Love your stuff.
“an $80 Walmart tent”. That’s when you definitely know this is not going to end well.
Right? And the no sleeping pads… dang.
Lol no doubt. Walmart tents are junk.
They didn't even know enough to use evergreen branches under the tent.
@@JudyGoodwin-l9b An old-fashioned hunter's or sheepherders tent (big canvas wall tent with a wood stove) might have been viable. A walmart tent wasn't. But as the snow got deep, gathering wood would have gotten very difficult, and they likely would have exhausted the supply within walking distnce.
An $80 Walmart tent is adequate for a summer weekend camping trip to that area. To spend a whole winter? Oh hell no.
I have heard this story but not with souch detail. When you said Talon said Oreo plopped for the last time I actually sobbed. My goodness that poor boy! 😢
Same! Not sure if I missed it, but do we know what happened to Oreo? Was he rehomed to a good new home?
@@WolfDreamer101 I don't know if it's in the video (not done yet) but an article says Oreo was dropped off with Trevela. I'm gonna assume they kept the cat or it found a new home.
This guy tells awesome stories. He'll get to 1M subs.
@@DisturbingRainbowthank you! It’s crazy to me that they could do right by the cat (considering the circumstances) but not by their own son.
@@WolfDreamer101yes, he said it was given away.
I live near where they died and I can't imagine trying to live in a tent out here.
I remember when this happened and wondering why they didn't walk out.
There are active mines just down the road.
I pan for gold in that creek and ski out there during the winter but never knew anyone was around.
We are off grid out here too but we have shelter and a woodstove for goodness sake.
Yes, because a microchip that would likely only do the same things your phone does is definitely a worse outcome than this....
Also I have camped without a camping mattress in January in one of my first camping trips. I piled everything in the car from blankets to wet suits underneath me and barely kept warm, it was like the ground relentlessly sucked every scrap of warmth out of me... I couldnt have lasted one more day than I did, I would have spent my life savings on a bad hotel bed. Seeing them try with just a blanket made me shiver, I'd never go camping without a thick mattress even in the hottest summer now.
I’ve camped in 20° F in pouring rain and forgot my sleeping bag and slept with a winter coat and dog blanket and I was fine.
Look up various future planning forums and groups where the rich and stupid but connected to the powers that be are openly talking about microchipping everybody, using Central Bank Digital Currency and Social Credit Systems to control the populace, and how those same people believe that 90% of humanity needs to die off.
Or, even easier, look at Joe Biden spitefully trying to start World War 3 because he couldn't run for office again and thus wants everyone to suffer.
Or look up The Tuskegee Experiment, what really happened at Waco Texas in '93 and at Ruby Ridge, how the Soviet Gulags were ignored and how the Holodomor was covered up the The Grey Lady, and so much more.
YES, these women were horrible and got both themselves and a child killed.
Yes, the world is a worse place than you think it is, and people really do want the rest of the world under their thumb.
Wait and see...this won't age well
If you want to get chipped, go ahead. But I'm not a housecat or a dog. I carry ID and know who I am. I don't want anything implanted in my body. Especially involving a government that I've lost any and all faith in. There's no one I trust with that much control.
These two women were the perfect storm for a tragedy-so sad for Talon-may he rest in peace.
Yes, anyone in their atmosphere would be in trouble, if they're vulnerable in any way.
I can only imagine they did try to walk back to the car and it was gone. Then they were too weak and unprepared to hike out, and who knows what the weather was like. was there a lot of snow in the area over the winter? I can imagine Talon feeling so helpless. the people he relied on had gone nuts.
I’m thinking that they must have heard their car being towed away. All that noise in the woods? They had to have heard it happening. It’s senseless that they didn’t run out and at least alert the tow guy to their presence 🤔 unless they had hiked pretty far away. Even then, I can’t explain it. I grew up in a home surrounded by a woods. Human and machine sounds stand out to your ear. Such a sad sad story. 😢
Probably at least a couple of feet of snow by Christmas, getting to several feet before spring. Wouldn't melt out until mid-April at the earliest.
So sad. They were terribly unprepared for a winter at 10,000 ft. They likely got snowed-in in such a remote area and had no way to call for help. That poor kid, trying so hard to support his mom.
I'm a Colorado native. I'm not really familiar with that particular area, but back roads in national forests are not usually plowed in the winter, and the snow will get several feet deep at 10,000 feet over the course of the winter, especially west of the Continental Divide. Their car got towed in November, which left them no chance of getting out, but that road probably wouldn't have been drivable for much longer anyway, and probably doesn't open again until May or June.
35 minutes full of adverts and you shilling some shit drinks unwatchable
This is a perfect example of why you shouldn’t allow pride and delusional to take over! Want to be outdoorsy or off grid? Practice camping, research, prepare, go small before you run away from home. This is tragic for the child in specific. Appreciate your gentle care for this story.
And also.. don’t start at 10,000 feet. I live at 8000 ft not very far from where this occurred. I can relate to watching videos and wanting to run off into the wilderness, feeling like regular camp spots and anything comfortable or familiar seems “too easy” but I’ve been smart enough to not just go disappearing without preparations into the mountains because while we all at times want to have our “into the wild” story, it will always end tragically and always seems to be someone who wasn’t outdoorsy at all to begin with. Even car camping can be incredibly liberating and rewarding. Incase you want you’re tempted to take a journey like this, remember, it’s about the experience not about how cool or hardcore the story sounds. Be prepared, the best you can do is truly take care of yourself….
many of us living in the mountains are more prepared than this women chose to be, on ANY given day driving in Colorado and def way more wool and other winter preparations in our cars when camping minutes from home
Not sure it was pride (although perhaps delusion)...both women sound as though they were in severe mental health crisis and needed professional help.
They were not working with a full deck of cards obviously.
Agreed 💯 percent
You tell awful stories in such a respectful & compassionate way.
Living in Colorado, I've heard this story before. I had no idea they were in Gold Creek. I camped there back in September. It is beautiful, very remote, definitely cold in September. The closest town is about 30 minutes drive south of there, not easy to get to, but a 7 miles hike on that road. I had no idea that they were in that area. It is so devastating that they brought the child with them.
That poor child 😢 RIP Talon
So sad, that young boy dying like that breaks my heart. 🩵
Those diary entries… “Oreo plopped on me for the last time”
Poor kid. Makes me sick that he didn’t get the care he needed.
If you isolate yourself from people, like Becky did, it’s a perfect opportunity for you to go off the rails because you have no other input to bring to back to reality. If you adopt a position and concentrate on nothing but that you can convince yourself of anything. So ill fated, so tragic but especially for Talon.
I mean there's more at play here than her just being a loner. Plenty of crazy people have crazy friends and plenty of lonely people aren't conspiracy theorists. It's just untreated mental illness.
I agree that the forest service dropped the ball here severely.
Why are we paying people with masters degrees to run campgrounds if they cant ensure there is a missing persons report generated when a car is found abandoned in the park and the owner can not be contacted???
Also, the park service people couldn't do a search of the immediate area surrounding the campgrounds?
I think the highway patrol does a much better job tracking down people from abandoned cars along the highway than the park service does for people's cars when found in the park, when the park is a much more likely place for the driver to have been lost or killed.
Highway patrol? They just tow the car same as the ranger did. The forest service tows 1000s of cars a year, they can't go around doing SAR for every abandoned vehicle, that would be impossible. Certainly not financially viable...
@thatcreepyxmastreeinyourat8950 If our social support infrastructure does not investigate if the owner is aware of their car being found and towed our systemhas failed.
And subsequently our system has not determined, if the owner is alive when towing the car, our system has failed.
i think our US system for dealing with abandoned cars is NOT fulfilling its job.
We live in the 21st century. Computers track our movement and purchases.
In the modern age a computer program could easily do a search to determine with a 97% accuracy if a person is alive or missing in under 5 minutes at littleto no cost.
Tell me if I am wrong.
@@jasonneugebauer5310 It doesn't work like that. They would need a search warrant to get the phone records. What makes you think the sisters weren't hiding when the ranger went looking? Most the ranger could have done was contact the emergency # on file with the DMV.
As a fur mother of 5 cats who are my life, I cannot imagine just giving them away....poor Talons diary entries about Oreo really got to me. Kyle you did a phenomenal job on this story with plenty of details and backstory.
I get this. They are our babies!!! ❤🐾❤
IKR! Though I am thankful they didn't take Oreo with them to suffer a similar fate...or even if it could have survived being a cat, it would have been a difficult, lonely existence. It was heartbreaking reading about Talon's love for Oreo, knowing he had to give him away.
People never fail to make it about their animals when there is a human tragedy. It's annoying. Imo. And I like animals.
That poor little boy! 😢 Our kids trust us so much, please everyone, don’t let anyone stoke this kind of fear within you.
What a sad sad tale, thanks Kyle, this poor boy.
Only going off the information presented here but... Someone towed their car?... okay. Did a brief search of the area?... sure. Contacted police and... the car owner's phones didn't connect?... Okay... And that's *it*? The *very least* law enforcement collectively would do next in - well, anywhere I can think of - would be to contact the next of kin under such OBVIOUSLY suspicious circumstances, or at least visit the license holder's address for a welfare check. No big searches needed at that point to bust the case wide open. Just a phone-call to emergency contacts and/or next of kin - you know, like they would do if someone feared for your welfare. This would have immediately highlighted some problems. Maybe that was already too late but given the timeline provided... who knows! That's what I got out of this - MSM and social media to hype you up, nobody there to catch you if you make a mistake, only the odd (no doubt understaffed) institution of authority to potentially cause you critical endangerment when they fail to follow through. And yet still... even with no safety net, this still woudn't be so tragic without that car being removed.... Did nobody consider how taking a car from a remote area without a search *could* mean a death sentence? Insane. In some places in the world, that could be considered dereliction of duty, while in others, even criminal negligence or reckless endangerment. Their story was already a tragic one, and maybe nothing could have been done. But it's most tragic where a bare and dangerous minimum prevails in some so-called "civilized" places when it comes to following a duty of care. That seems to be what's missing to me - and tragically overlooked.
I agree. That part of the account struck me as well. I think that's what doomed them. They had gone into town to resupply more than once, so there's no reason to think that Becky or Christine would have decided to do without supplies when they ran low later. I think they would be alive today had the official patrol done a thorough investigation. Their failure led to the deaths of the child and the women. It was negligence, dereliction of duty. That poor child.
I completely agree with you.
I can’t understand why the authorities simply towed the car away- without performing a massive search of the area and researching the car’s owner and contacting next of kin.
I don’t even want to think about a scenario where the sisters and Talon made up their minds to leave and then FOUND THEIR CAR GONE!!
That was their lifeline!!!
The car being towed is likely the main reason for staying put. After a week without food, they would definitely be willing to go to town and buy supplies.
Finally, the right take. The car being towed is likely what killed them. They were unprepared, yes, but that car was their safety net and it was taken away.
Idk man, if we're talking about the system failing them, their car getting towed is like the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
I mean, there must be answers for most questions, which wasn't neccessarily discussed here, but there was like a dozen of different occasions when the authorities could've and probably should've intervene in some sort of way, for a number of reasons. It was almost like the exact opposite of what this lady was affraid of, due to her contheo beliefs. Not that the big brother didn't watch her, but she was completely off the leash in terms of rules and regulations. She could do quiet literally whatever she wanted. The way she kicked the father of her child out of their lives, but kept the "mother in law", and she took the kid out of school, while not working, and she didn't even keep her plans a secret, other than the West Virginia thing, she didn't even had to lie. Several people knew, and didn't do anything. There are stories on this channel, where people report their loved ones missing after like 4 hours of no communication, but in this case, nobody did a thing, other than the stepsis offering her place to stay, or saying a bunch of times that this is a bad idea. They could've been saved years before they actually died.
That child's journal is heartbreaking 💔
Becky's stupidity is just criminal..... How anyone could do this to their own child is beyond me. She really should be posthumously charged with child abuse.
She clearly wasn't well and urgently needed mental health intervention. She didn't set out to harm her child. She was so paranoid that she thought she was doing the right thing by him.
@@letsrock1729 Her being mentally unwell- as opposed to selfish and stupid- is speculation on your part. Not everything is a mental health crisis, sometimes people are just delusional, arrogant assholes. You're trying to snatch accountability away from her and put it on some abstract mental health issue we don't know existed.
@@seanking1775 Agreed. People need to stop blaming "mental health" on everything. Nothing gets better by blaming it on something else. She KNEW that she was risking her son by doing this dumb crap. Talon, may your soul find God. God bless you.
@@seanking1775 Clearly she had mental health issues otherwise why would she have done this?
I mean it kinda seems more like a bizarre self end pack that the drug the poor kid along for. Like the sister was 100% against it at 1st because she knew it wasn't rational to think you could survive like that. Then she realized that was the point. Just listen to the reasons she gave for agreeing: she was depressed, she was out of shape, she was getting older with not much to show for it, etc. Those are reasons people usually give for ending it, not living off the grid.
Also not at all surprised the kid passed 1st. They likely kept the last food for themselves. Plus they clearly had WAY more fat stores. Just selfish evil women imo.
This is a sad tragedy. They didn't stand a chance. Even the best equipment for extreme survival in the mountains is barely enough.
The women's intellect was inadequate to the event.
Well said.in fact a lovely way of saying she was incredibly stupid.
Smh… the sad part of this story is that innocent kid caught in his mom and aunt crazy ideas and thoughts.
Aw man, starving to death is one of worst ways to go, I hope the kid didn't die that way
It was probably either starvation or hypothermia. Not good in either case.
I’ve heard all about this from several channels, but I’m going to listen to this one too. People never cease to amaze me in the things they do… especially their lack of regard for their kids.
Poor Mental Health is no excuse for being extremely selfish and irresponsible causing the death of your only child!
If they had been well mentally, they would never have done this. You can’t ask for rational thinking out of un rationale minds. This is just a very sad story.
@@Bindismomtrue but she had the wherewithal to lie about her plans to the people who would’ve stopped her. It’s hard not to see it as criminal at that point.
huh???????
@@videoettaceo8900This is why pleading insanity as a defense in court usually fails. The person commiting some heinous crime often takes steps to hide what they're doing, or did, and therefore MUST be aware it is wrong. These women went to the mountains grossly unprepared and HID telling no one where they were going! Blaming mental illness is just not the entire answer to their behavior.
@@Sam_dea Exactly. They were crazy but not stupid!
Poor Talon , this is so heartbreaking. He had no say in what happened. Adults have the right to do what they will with their lifes, but not with childrens lifes. May they all rest in peace.
Yes, they took everything from him, including his best friend Oreo...
@miapdx503 its just awful. That poor boy.
These women were completely unhinged and completely unprepared. They did not properly research and went to the wrong place 😒
Mental wellness has a place in this sad outcome.
@spiritthingw that's true, the paranoia was out of control.
@@spiritthingwfor sure!!!
Just ignorant and they wernt that smart either.
@KellyPashade and their paranoia was out of control.
This made me so sad...
My heart goes out to the boy, he makes me think of my boy, so innocent... May their souls rest in peace 🙏🏼
My heart just breaks for poor Tallon…Rest in peace sweet boy
Amen 🌹
The park ranger sealed their fate when he took the car and left them stranded. Poor kiddo. 😢
This wasn’t off grid living. Off grid living would’ve been taking the offer her step sister presented to her and learning to homestead and be self sufficient. This was definitely conspiracy theory fueled and such a terribly bad and sad decision.
Moral of this story: think for yourself, listen to your gut, seek help, especially when lies are involved. RIP Talon 😢
I was supposed to become a nurse in 2020. But after the pan demic hit , i have been depressed for the last five years, succumbed to my home . I understand how the sisters mentally fell into this deep dark hole and it was too late for them to get out. Im deeply sad for the poor boy,wish they hadn't taken him with them. But in their minds,they were going to be the survivors against the world. I wish to get back in the world in 2025. Hope all of us can find the courage to face the world as it comes.
Life is sometimes complicated. Wishing you many blessings moving forward my dear ❤
Common sense says that they were stuck because their car got towed. They shouldn't have left their vehicle in the way that they did, AND the ones who towed it should have made sure the owners weren't nearby, should have identified who's vehicle it was at least.
After all, the video here even covers how they would head for town whenever they needed something, so they probably relied on that. The car was towed in Dec just as the first really cold weather was about to set in....I'm sure when it got cold they probably did head for the car only to find it gone....
This seems like such an avoidable tragedy.
I always happen to catch Kyle’s vids around 11pm, as I’m going to bed & I’m always thankful for his hatred of hiking…
Finally. A guy who knows how to tell a story. Thanks for not giving it away at the start. I listen to crime shows and they're told fairly well, but how much more interesting they would be if they left the mystery in it.
So.. the ranger towed their car and didn't bother to send a search party? Search dogs? Helicopters? Check the phone locations?...Tell anyone? They were not professional campers but they were surviving somehow and driving back to town for supplies , but their car was towed and they became stuck there. May their souls rest in paradise.
A lot of people have no idea as to the amount of good calories one person needs to live comfortably for a day in the wilderness. It's a LOT more than leading a sedentary lifestyle.
I really don’t understand why the authorities didn’t search for the “abandoned” vehicle’s owners.
The family wasn’t far from the campground and they also made trips into town for supplies.
Couldn’t the rangers have investigated by talking to store owners in the town?
I think the lockdowns were to blame for the sisters’ elevated mental issues.
Lockdowns were hard enough with a stable mind but isolation when you’re depressed already is an absolute recipe for disaster.
The government and MSM had a field day with their fear propaganda and mass formation psychosis experiment on their citizens.
Never forget.
Never forgive.
Also, probably thought death was better than living a crappy life. The lockdown permanently changed lives.
That poor kid. His journal absolutely broke my heart
Hi Kyle! Thanks for covering this story. I live in Colorado Springs, and I was thoroughly surprised to hear about this family and their experience trying to live off the grid, and their unfortunate demise. Thanks again for filling us in on the deets. RIP
They took seeds with them and seemed to think that they were going to just go out there and start a vegetable garden. This would have been an almost impossible task in virgin land. Yet another thing for which they were horrifically unprepared. So terrible that a young boy was caught up in this madness.
There's not a whole lot you can even grow at 10,000 feet in any case. You've got a month to a month and a half frost free, and the temperature rarely gets much above 70 Fahrenheit in midsummer. In the fall and winter, nothing. They didn't even have guns to hunt. A moolse or elk or two might get feed you through the winter.
It was never a struggle to realize how fragile and vulnerable I am. This story dumbfounds me and makes me wonder if it wasn’t a subconscious suicide pact. But the car getting towed was their undoing. Once they realized they were all going to die, nothing could have stopped them from trying to get out except snow, or car trouble. They seem unbelievably naïve.
Seven miles is not an impossible walk by any means, at least before the snow gets deep. But I think they though the food they bought in October was enough to make it through the winter, and apparently they didn't realize until it was too late that it wasn't enough.
This story just made me angry. I grew up NE of Colorado Springs and I used to go camping BY MYSELF as early as aged 10. I knew better than to go without the things the Vance Sisters did! Nature is indifferent to mistakes and will take your life as soon as not when you screw up. I hate that Talon had to suffer their stupidity
Kyle, you told this story so well. It's to your credit that your presentation was unbiased and level-headed given the sister's radical belief systems. I love your channel - and - I'm even purchasing some DrinkLMNT for the 1st time. Thx.
Super sad story! It was very irresponsible to trek off into the wilderness with no outdoor experience! And criminal to drag the child along!
I don't know why they wouldn't have recognized the fact that they couldn't survive a winter with such inadequate gear! They would have been lucky to survive a summer with no way to hunt or get wood for fire, much less not knowing about the Life Straws!
It's so tragic and maddening!
I live in Colorado Springs and I remember this horrible incident. I’m very familiar with the area they camped and it’s a very rugged mountain area. The elements at that altitude can be brutal. Thank you for your post.
I remember hearing about this when it happened. So incredibly sad for that poor baby.
I've seen a mich shorter video of this, but yours go into so much more backstory and information. Extremely sad 😢.
For someone who spent so much time on the internet she failed miserably at off grid living research.
I’m so angry for the poor child. As a mother-to just pap your childs body outside and die? Horrible but clearly there was severe mental illness going on.
The poor child probably died inside the tent, and they put his body outside because they couldn't dig a grave for him. They were so misguided to take him with them. That dear sweet child.
If the car hadn't been towed, they would have just gone back to town. That's what killed them. Those two troubled women would not have let that child starve to death if they had a way out.
They might have gotten out if they didn't wait too long. I'm not familiar with that particular road, but Forest Service roads are not usually plowed in the winter, and that area gets a lot of snow. By Christmas at the latest, that road would not have been drivable, and the snow gets several feet deep before it melts out in April or May.
The forest service dropped the ball here severely.
You know what is deadly. Walking back to your car in December after a month in the mountans to find your car has been towed by the park service and now you can't leave the wilderness.
Why are we paying people with masters degrees to run campgrounds if they cant ensure there is a missing persons report generated when a car is found abandoned in the park and the owner can not be contacted???
Also, the park service people couldn't do a search of the immediate area surrounding the campgrounds?
I think the highway patrol does a much better job tracking down people from abandoned cars along the highway than the park service does for people's cars when found in the park, when the park is a much more likely place for the driver to have been lost or killed.
Very sad the people died.
Very sad the park officials did not follow through with filling a report with the police to verify the people from the car were located before towing the car.
By December, it's likely they couldn't have driven out anyway. Most of those Forest Service roads are not plowed in the winter, and the snow gets to several feet deep there. Yes, I think they could have made a better effort to find them before towing their car, but the car would have done them now good unless they drove out before they got snowed in for the winter.
This is one of the saddest stories I have heard. That poor child thought he was safe. I wonder what horrible thoughts he must have had when he realized how horrible the situation was. RIP❤
Had no idea that Lifestraws don’t work if frozen! Are we ever truly prepared for the wilderness? This family probably thought they were.
They didn’t need to tow their car away. It literally took away any chance they had to leave. Just heartbreaking that this young Boy was forced into such a situation. That poor baby ugh
They would have been stranded when the snow got too deep in any case. Those Forest Service roads are not plowed in the winter, and the snow there was probably at least two feet deep sometime between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Let's face it: We're all here for that 'morbid fascination', as you put it. Why? Probably because we all live lives far away from those existential, raw experiences, close to death. However, deep down, we know that they are part of the human nature and condition. We all are vulnerable, we all will die, no matter how hard we try to escape that fact. And this kind of story-telling might be some sort of compensation for our daily ignorance of the darker side of our lives.
As soon as the car was towed away, it removed any hope of them leaving, even if they had wanted to. I questioned why, if the plates were run, there wasn’t a search for the owner the area? BI assume it was registered to Becky or Christine. I felt so sorry for the boy, who at his age needed social interaction, even if it was online. It was apparent how much this bothered him. Also, what was the deal with the cat??? It sounded like mom maybe ended it’s life with Talen there? That alone, would be so traumatic for the boy. Becky and Christine both needed mental health care. When I learned they were going to 10,000 feet in Colorado for winter, so ill-prepared, I knew they wouldn’t survive. What a tragedy.
Kyle said they gave the cat away. I hope the kitty did find a good new home... just wish that somehow, Talon could have gone with his cat.
Very respectful take on this case Kyle. The Vance family were deserving of it. I've heard other creators talk about this case and some have almost picked on those poor folks. Thanks Kyle.
I live in the vicinity of the area in this video, and for a week or two in the winter of 2023 we had a cold snap that registered colder than the Arctic, The temperatures dropped down somewhere in the -18F to -22F.. Even with central heating, I went through approximately 10-12 boxes of Duraflame Fire Logs during that Arctic blast. A cheap tent with a camping stove, simply would not have protected these 3 people. It's so sad!!! Thank you for posting this story.
Superb presentation Kyle, as always🍀
Articulate, thoughtful, intelligent
Beautiful face & lovely voice
Brilliant storytelling style too - absorbing,
natural, confident, vivid, gripping
🍀Thank You, Sir🍀
There needs to be a law established regarding vehicles found in remote locations. If a vehicle is found there should be procedures to initiate a missing persons case even if there is no local report. The vehicle should not be removed unless there is a thorough search conducted of the area and relatives of the vehicle owner are contacted to get additional information. If there is a person on a remote camping venture it would seal their fate if the vehicle was towed away upon their return. If a full search and rescue response is not justified maybe the officer who finds the vehicle can leave a note and a emergency SOS beacon in a sealed container with instructions to where to return it after contacting the authorities.
I would guess they did at some point realize that they were not prepared for the cold conditions. Given the decline in mental health I would say they were in a state of psychosis induced by the pandemic. It is possible that they simply failed to think ahead about paying phone bills and never considered the car would be discovered or towed away. Those two life lines simply got cut without any warning. By the time there was snow on the ground they would have surely realized. They likely tried to remain calm and composed to ease the suffering for the boy.
We're made to live on this earth but we've forgotten how. Sad outcome for what was supposed to be a better life. I dream to live off grid but definitely not in a tent. Wow they started off brave & did their best. Towing the car didn't help that's for sure. That must've been terrifying to see it gone. I'm sure they would've have left if they could
This is the definition of 'folie a deux ' . But a poor child was sacrificed aswell. RIP all.
This is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard!! Brought tears to my eyes seriously. I just feel terrible. My gosh what is wrong with people! Children completely depend on adults to keep them safe at the least!
I’m so angry, horrified and just sad.
Poor baby. ❤
Thank you for saying what you did about the water filters . And sleeping pads . Most people don’t know that .
Not to speak ill of anyone- I’m just curious as to why after years of being online watching preppers and similar content you would be so woefully unprepared?
Whamen.......they're whamen
This December will be my fifth year living off grid. I haven’t died yet, but it’s been challenging. Mother Nature can be brutal for the unprepared. It’s the best decision I’ve ever made. Now I no longer just hand my money over each month to a landlord who in most cases doesn’t really care.
@@Spam-pq2sgI’m in a really rural area, my one neighbor was an 80 year old woman who lived off grid by herself for years with only her dog!
@@kstein4628 yes. But that's not 2 regular whamen, that's a woods woman. Not a obese whaman
@kstein4628
Good for her, people have been successfully living off grid for hundreds of years.
This is heartbreaking and how selfish of the mother to do this to her son. I feel so bad for that sweet boy.
What a disturbing story. I feel so sad for that young boy, he had such a lonely isolated life.
His online friends loved him ... if u used a gaming name they might imagine he iscstill camping ... off grid ... 😥😭
Portrait of a descent into madness - and a folie a deaux. So tragic, especially for the boy who never had an opportunity to grow into adulthood.
That poor baby. My heart breaks for poor Talon 💔