Games Are Trash. Demand A Refund.
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2024
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Please talk about the layoffs, and the restructuring of the game industry
this comment just sounds and feels so greedy and needy
Way to kill the point of your own video 🤡
My friend saw this rerelease and was just like, "I can mod those console maps onto the old PC version, why would I repurchase these games?"
That was literally my response as well.
I still have my discs, I still have ModDB and Game Banana (I think, is GB still around?), I am not giving money for a bare minimum rerelease.
Honestly, I'm just glad I set my Series S in Turkey
Bought this Collection again but for like 20 TL instead of 40 f*cking Euros
It's the community. Playing with 63 other randos because of the draw on them off a rerelease is the only selling point on pc. You won't get that with the originals
The problem is, with no crossplay and no servers you won't get it here anyway either..
mainly an increase in population, and strong console playerbases. Though with the poor release that obviously isnt going to happen now. Sad.
@@applehazeva2739Microsoft isn't as strict when it comes to changing regions. Multiple times I've set my console to turkey or argentine to activate game keys in cawe they're cheaper than what it's in the MS Store
And this is the studio that was supposed to make the kotor remake.
To be fair they wouldn’t of had any multiplayer stuff to deal with. (I’m coping hard)
If I knew that I wouldent have bought it
Ooof
Not anymore, the project has been passed on to Saber Interactive
@@dandrelowery3714 So you're saying there's a chance..
You can tell they did 0 playtesting because reinforcements are still set to 100 despite the playercount being increased to 64. Matches literally last 3-4 minutes. They’re over before they even begin.
Grrr
Wait, what? Lmao! I recall having to adjust the reinforcement count for every session every time I played the game, so I think the game just defaults to that, but as you said, clearly this game was not tested well enough, otherwise they would have realized this.
PSA! You can refund literally any digital switch game for any reason just by emailing Nintendo. I was appalled playing Sonic Superstars so I requested a refund after about a day and got it no questions asked. DO YOUR RESEARCH EVERYONE!
FYI will work in most situations where ' Do Your Research ' is being used and doesn't position yourself as smarter than EVERYONE.
I see it as a red herring. FYI. There is a lot of ignorant propaganda attached to that phrase (DYR) and whether wanted or not that relation will be made.
But yeah Nintendo is pretty good on returns if you contact them directly.
@@bunkerhillstudios3382I don't think the average consumer will go out of their way to request a refund via email, a more straight forward approach would be better (like with how steam does it)
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I mean still better than watching corporate slop and taking that as gospel.
20 year's, how do you fuck up something from 20 years ago, an already finished game
How tf did they unfinish a game?
unfinish a game 😭
How the F#$% do unfinish a game when it's already finished
Porting a game over to a new system is a lot more complicated than you think...
Now granted...its WAY easier than making a new game from scratch (or remaking or remastering or whatever) but still...
In any case...its something that should have been handled with more care. They just didn't for some reason...
I almost never buy a game until It's been out for at least a year. That weeds out the terrible ports, late addition of DRM, late addition of microtransactions, and flash in the pan games.
Kudos, I wait even more for some games
Same for me, friend. You're paying the highest possible amount for the worst version of any game if you buy on release. Patient gamers always win!
I don't get why everyone isn't thinking like this. It seems like people WANT to get scammed
@@damndanieIHype is real. It was real back in the 90s when I was reading games magazines back to back and watching grainy pictures of Amiga games. Now it's an industry. Don't underestimate the power of billions of marketing.
@@damndanieIFOMO. New thing. Hype about next thing.
The thing is, Valve added refunds not because they wanted to be nice, but because it made them more money faster. The feature was added as they were adding local currencies and making it easier to get your game on the Steam storefront. Easy refunds was a way to reduce the money they needed to spend on localized customer support for people who don't speak English that got scammed by shovelware that doesn't even launch. Additionally, Steam was previosuly different to its competitors in that it had no return policy as opposed to for example GOG having one, so there was pressure from competition.
Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony all have local teams that feature customer support in every country already and no competition from anyone selling games on their hardware without them getting a cut. They don't believe significantly lowering the bar for what can be sold on their online stores would be an effective way to make money, either. They're not going to add a feature that loses them money in the short term because that would benefit the industry in the next five years.
I heard great things about Tomb Raider remastered, I don't know how they fucked up the Battlefront collection
@@Xiado what do you mean by "socialist junkie weirdos", i think having a disclaimer at the front of the game saying how "attitudes in culture have changed blah blah blah" is preferable to them actively changing the game
@@mxcokokoWe shouldn't have to pick between a stupid decision and a *fucking* stupid decision.
@@Xiado You're weird
@@XiadoI was never too into the tomb raider series, but I looked into this disclaimer thing and those tribesman characters are certainly a product of their time and a bit dated. Having a disclaimer for things like that is the best possible solution. The game is preserved without any historically inaccurate censorship, and the company gets to make it clear that they probably wouldn't do it in the same way now. I guess the wording of it ("deeply harmful, inexcusable" for other people not familiar with this controversy) is definitely a bit preachy and melodramatic but a disclaimer is a genuinely harmless gesture that helps new players know that they're in for some goofy British shit from the 90s.
@@Xiado "terminally online"
Pot meet Kettle.
I barley buy games these days, mostly I already got a huge library (both digitally and physically) and I just don't play that much tbh, spend more time on UA-cam than actually playing games lmao
so real
I already have these on my Steam account. They didn't have to release a new collection, just promote the one already there! AND THEY STILL FUCK UP!
Why do that when they can charge those people again and way more for it
How disappointing, the OG duo were some of the best FPS's of their era and they hold up, especially 2
And you can still buy them
only if the og stuido wasn't defuncted maybe it would be good MAYBE WE COULD HAVE BATTLEFROUNT 3 OR MAYBE MERCANARES 3 FUCK YOU EA YOU SUCK
u can play them on xbox they been BC for years
I usually didn't play in fp
I think this game’s biggest financial goal was big sales on the switch - a platform that’s received numerous classic Star Wars ports that also does not allow refunds.
The pc release in contrast just looks hilarious. $15 more than if I were to just buy the two original titles separately AND I can mod them AND they aren’t busted trash. Hell these old titles are even purchasable AND playable on Xbox.
Again, the switch was 1000% the focus for this release and it shows.
Someone else already mentioned it in the comments, but you can refund any digital Switch release (no questions asked) by contacting Nintendo support through phone, email, and even mail.
That slow zoom in Konami!!! Love it
i think this is a pretty good demand to rally behind, honestly, and i think there's maybe a larger point to be made about the need for people to confront companies on our own terms, with specific popular demands like this one if anything is going to change; as you suggest, the old 'vote with your wallet' cliche is clearly not working
I would say it is more like we got out voted by the wallet of the whales. There are people who will buy the shitty expensive therefore rare skin. There are people that buy a broken game and believe in the lies that it will be fixed later.
Fortnite... _sorta_ has a refund policy. Any cosmetics you get using vbucks can be refunded within 30 days if you don't use them in a match. Upon refund, you get... your vbucks back. Not the money that paid for the vbucks, just the vbucks. Oh also any cosmetics you buy directly with money and anything you spend vbucks on that isn't a cosmetic (like the battle pass) is just wholesale unrefundable.
It's... not really a "step" in the right direction, more like a single tiptoe in the right direction. It's not much, but it's not nothing either.
@@fishy2939 “all people need to do is [massive list of stuff that most people have neither the time nor the energy to do]”
~internet
That is one of the few benefits on the customer's behalf when it comes to digital releases. You SHOULD be able to return/refund a game(digital at least) within reason. Like on Steam or GOG. There is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be possible on consoles. They insist to go all digital, but also make the digital services as unfavorable as possible for the customer and user. And take away our ownership of our own purchases in the process. But the limitations with physcial media. Like not being able to return/refund when the seal is broken and game opened is being preserved to the greatest extent, even in digtal spaces.
If I had a dollar for every Nintendo Switch game that I’d later regret and made me scream “Why do you not give refunds?!” I got buy another Switch game I’d regret buying
I think the thing with the switch is mainly to blame with Nintendo, they’re audience is basically a cult at this point who thinks their company can do no wrong even with all evidence to the contrary, so likewise they’re never going to ask for refunds, and why would they implement them even for games they don’t even develop
Cough nswCOUGH2u
If you contact Nintendo support, you can get a refund for any digitally bought game no questions asked. All digital storefronts allow for refunds, it is illegal not to.
@@keganmemestar4465 what country do you live in my dude? Lol
@@keganmemestar4465Lol, you’re only partially right. It seems that Nintendo at least allows for that kind of refund, however there are games/consoles that either outright refuse refunds like War Thunder and Playstation, and in the former’s case will happily ban you from their games for asking for a refund on a single one.
I never shy away from mentioning it, but Nintendo’s return policy is the worst lol. I picked up Tetris Effect years ago and needed to return it because I’m prone to migraines from flashing screens (and had tested the game by watching YT videos of it to see if they would trigger one, only to have one hit me ten minutes into the game)
Nintendos customer support tried to blame me for not knowing better, even though the game itself doesn’t have an epilepsy warning on it until *after* you bought the game. It took like an afternoon on their chat widget or email or whatever to get my money back
Im glad youre calling out the game cosnoles, but microsoft does have a refund policy for xbox digital purchases
Yeah refunds would universely make it much harder for scams to take place.
Shopee and Lazada have similar refund policies and now if I do get scammed I can just send it back hence I have no worries buying from those websites.
Consumers don't have time to do research but are also willing to part with their money? 🤔
I'm so glad there still is the pretty decent remaster mod for the 2005 BFII. So sad that Aspyr can't make a proper port but some random modder can do a better job
Got a refund today - I was a weapons-grade dipshit for preordering in the first place
You're a 🤡
Every platform should support 2 hour playtime returns at LEAST! We’ve entered the “ET every AAA game should be buried in a landfill” phase.
For the longest time I never thought of the gaming industry as a single entity like Hollywood, I just thought of big name developer and publishing giants. EA who focuses on sports and micro transactions, SquareEnix that gives us JRPG single player kings.... but lately I have been seeing them all as a single industry. Because a lot of these big corporations keep producing the same uninspired slop and pushing the same online service models for their games that maximize income. The Game Awards announced a whole bunch of high definition open world games and I couldn't remember any of them to tell them apart.
The individual companies that are not related to Nintendo are slowly losing their souls. It even effected Crash Bandicoot giving us a new online only multi-player game with no single player campaign attached to it.
The company thought no would buy it to begin with that problem
Sad what happend with Aspyr.
I remember a decade ago, when they were being championed as the guy who supported all the games to Linux
It's a good idea, but it runs into the exact same problem as the "wait for reviews" approach. The only way to make this happen is for gamers to collectively say "I'm not going to spend any money on a new game unless there's an assurance that it will either be good or have a refund available." If gamers don't have the self control to wait a couple weeks for public opinion to settle on a game, they don't have the patience to starve out developers and publishers until their demands start to be met.
We also need refund in case of updates removing content. Steam wont give me refund on SkullGirls and sending e-mails to hidden variable is like screaming to a wall.
5:22 Man those Lorem ippsum percentages in the background do tell us a lot about this company’s performance
Truly the US direly needs regulation of this industry more than ever. Such a big developing market 40 years ago into the titan it is now.. now the corpos undoubtedly have massive lobbying power to prevent it.
The PC version had mods with the dream, space to ground maps for like a whole decade before this collection happened.
The console players still don't have mods and they still ate it up.
And somehow even on PC people still ate it up acting like they couldn't have been playing this since 2005. Didn't even get online galactic conquest.
It's even funnier because multiplayer on pc was fixed a few years back. As soon I saw the price I was like "35$? For that? Fuck that I already have them both"
@@jmjedi923
Yep, only real way that I would have been tempted by this was if it was a real remaster with online galactic conquest and maybe if they wanted to steal the best mod maps and incorporate them onto official servers. Would really be nice as then mod maps would actually have a playerbase.
The worst part about all of this though is that people were defending this to the death and are still defending this.
@LaserDiscWarrior3043 it's alot Harder to mod the none PC versions, but you are correct
@LaserDiscWarrior3043
Ah, then it must really just be a PC version base. Surprised someone went to the hassle to make it work without official mod support, must have been a pain.
In fairness, there are some nice quality of life improvements that would be well worth it if the game actually worked right.
I preordered and predownloaded on Xbox Series X, saw the news about how botched it was, then requested a refund online from Microsoft and immediately got it (with 0 minutes played since I saw the backlash against the game during work).
These days I usually wait months or even more than a year after a game releases to be sure it is both not utter garbage (like most are) and to be certain that I know I will enjoy it. I think more and more people are ending up in that same mindset.
Tbh, online was just a bonus for me, and I bought it on Switch, so I'm just happy to have these games on Switch, bring it wherever I go, and play Battlefront 1 and 2 with friends locally.
If you're after the same thing I was, and you're a huge fan of the original Battlefront 1 and 2, your biggest issue will probably be the weird loading noise change in Battlefront 1.
But that isn't to say I'm not upset that they've done such a poor job making it work for all ports, or setting up the online servers.
Also, if you have bought it on Switch mainly for the online, Nintendo customer service _can_ refund you in a situation where the game is pretty much totally broken, and I'd say the online is pretty broken.
I’d love to have a 2 hour in game return policy across the boards but I feel like major companies would just throw the shiny bells and whistles in the first 2 hours of the game then keep the rest of the game broken, just to get you in the door
Playstation used to have such a good return policy. Back on the ps3 I was just a dumb broke 10 year old kid who wanted to play every game.
One time I spent $530 on just random games in the Playstation store. When my dad came to me pissed I blamed it on my friend who I was game sharing with. I then called Playstation help hotline and said the same lie and I got a full refund.
But the games I bought I downloaded. And on the ps3 they didn't have a way to lock content. So my ps3 has $530 worth of free games.
Apparently you can't even invert the y axis. I can't play these sorts of games without that option, otherwise I move like I've never touched a controller before.
Got this on PS5, and there is no option in the menus to invert the Y axis. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but for me, I can't play it with the default settings. Really a bummer.
At first, I was bummed I wouldn't be able to play this on release. Then I realized I already had BF2 on PC and Xbox. I went back to modding a few things in.
@3:54 on with that zoom.... had me ROLLING.
I was lucky Nintendo made an exception for Star Wars battlefront classic collection to be returned.
Hey guys just an FYI, both of these games were already ported to the new consoles at the beginning of this generation, you can buy the less shit version for, like, $5 each (unless they were taken down recently), without the bugs
They try to do a Mario anniversary bundle on us
Aspyr's been fucking up Star Wars ports since Jedi Knight 2 on Switch. I'm not surprised.
This is who they trusted with a full KOTOR.
I really like your idea one thing that has been lacking on the tech industry in general has been a way for consumers to hold them accountable and this idea could be game changing for that.
I always go into a new game with the intent to get a refund if I don't like it before the 2 hour mark. But sometimes, most recently with Helldivers 2, I play a few games and like it, but then about an hour into gameplay I hit a bug or technical issue. Then, I spend the next hour troubleshooting a fix, and before I know it the 2 hour mark comes up. I can no longer receive a refund because I got distracted by having to fix an issue. I need to start using a timer or alert system or something, I guess.
On your final note, TF2 has that but for weapon reskins
A game had a garbage release? Thats odd. I guess ill continue to wait for a sale on every game. Thats about when they are good to release anyway
Modding should be part of copyright law and 5 years in jail.
I think studios would just put a bunch of tedious BS before the real game gets going to get around the 2hr refund limit.
I saw these on the store, and I just knew it wasn't going to be good, especially for the price they had it at.
I'm a pc gamer, but i wish you console gamers luck
Refunded it. Was hyped but as soon as they said it didn't have cross play I was worried.. And then saw how bad it was so I had to refund it on steam
I didn't even know there was re release, I just woke up one day and internet was in meltdown
First time I've ever refunded a game without even playing it lol
I would absolutely start demanding refunds, but I already only buy what I know I'm going to like and I don't waste money on microtransactions. So, EVERYONE ELSE yes. Start demanding your refunds!!!
Also the original steam versions would typically be on sale for $3.50 right now (its the spring sale) but aren't for some reason
They took a 3gb finished game and turned it into a 73gb UNFINISHED game.
If Sony can take something away from players, WHILE THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF PLAYING IT, then refunds shouldn't be a problem.
2 hour refund window on consoles WOULD have an impact on the game industry...in that companies would start front padding their games to minimize gameplay time as much as possible.
Liking and commenting and maybe even sharing. I have a coworker who was talking about buying it today
I've been voting with my wallet since 2014, and since then the only games I've bought are MGS 5, Tekken 7, Cyberpunk 2077, NFS Heat, Super Mario Party. After the whole online pass thing and how shitty capcom was being with DLC back in the ps3/360 era I became SUPER selective with my game choices. I felt like back then i was getting dragged over coals when SF4 wanted me to pay $5 for costume colors that were already on the disc. Im so detached from games as a whole that i overall don't care much about em. I feel like everything is the same boring shit of each other now and i dont understand where the hype comes from. FFS the whole point of Gacha games is i just throw money at the screen? Fuck that, i couldnt give a shit how cool its lore is.
You know, the fact that I haven't heard of a single microtransaction being refunded in games is telling how suspect this black box of a system is... Heck Steam's microtransactions works differently for some reason because of that.
I feel like the younger generation have been conditioned to just wait for the game to be patched and get good when it shouldn’t be like that in the first place
i had no idea this was coming out. i still play the classic versions on steam at least twice a year, their are people who play regurally on the old games, its weird to see them rerelase this while it exists already, just not on new consoles. It's been on steam for maybe a decade.
1:19 Oh, you mean like Aspyrgers? 🤠
Man, it really sucks cause literally all I wanted was to play this game crossplay with seever support. And they couldn't even do that right.
FUN FACT! GoG allows returns for up to 30 days.
The 2 hour Steam window is absolutely nothing, 1 hour will pass just tinkering with the game's setting and getting past the tutorial (good luck if you're playing a RPG), then you have an hour left to make assumptions about the whole game
They should extend it to 4 hours minimum, yes I know there's many indie games that can be finished before that but so it's the case for the 2 hour window
Thats a great idea PS i dont know why but i find your 2 Chanel also whimsu beter than the main Channel
I made the fatal mistake of buying this on PS5. They refuse to give me a refund because I installed the game and played it. 🤦♂️
It’s not EA’s fault… Damn, that wasn’t on my bingo list.
As a PlayStation user I didn't buy it for online, I bought it for single player only and I've been having a blast. Sucks about online but it's a bummer for folks who did buy it purely for online.
Even the campaign doesn't play the cutscenes most of the time. I still think *you,* should demand a refund since you bohght a defective product
This is why I started waiting until games are on sale for $10. By that point, there's been a year or two for the consensus to form on whether it's worth my time or not.
Fortnite actually does the micro transaction refund. It's limited to 3 a year, but it's better than most.
I loved classic BF1 and 2, fantastic games, and I was excited hearing that this port included all the DLC I never got to play, plus adding the hero battle thing to all maps. I got it expecting that it might have achievements on Xbox, but it does not, and nothing at all feels updated. I'll probably uninstall it and request my refund as soon as I get off work.
Can't stop me from returning a physical game
oh can't wait for people trash at arcade games to creditfeed a 30 minute long masterpiece without learning how to 1cc it, only for them to refund and perpetuate the wrong takes about arcade games
Wait… I thought you said this was something WE could do? We can refund on Steam, but we can’t force Microsoft and Sony to have the same refund policy. And no one would ever offer refunds for microtransactions. It’s a nice thought, but it just sounds like wishful thinking.
Aspyr is just a very mid studio that makes a lot of rushed ports. Half their recent ports needed a few extra patches to function properly and it's the same type of 20 year old Xbox/PS2 games, Republic Commando, Jedi Knight 2/Acadamy had multiple problems on Playstation, Xbox, and Switch. They had framedrops, the odd crashes, UI, and control problems on all platforms. I can't forget the Switch KOTOR ports though. Both had dreadful crashing issues for a while, with the sequel even having a game breaking cutscene in the latter half of the game that would crash every single time it played. Making the game unfinishable for a few months until it was patched. Not to mention the fact that they abandonned the port of the cut content mod they had promised for post launch. The cherry on top is Sony taking the KOTOR remaster from them and giving it to Saber interactive due to a lack of satisfaction in Aspyr's work over a couple years.
Reminder to everyone on PC, buy the original versions before they get delisted.
Such a shame. Aspyr was general known to be a good group of devs who were primarily known for their work on Ports. In the period between the dark ages of Linux gaming where the last big game was Doom 3 for like 15 years and the period where Linux Gaming popped of with Valve's Proton and later the steam deck...it was Aspyr who did most of the big ports to Linux, like the Dirt Rally and the Tomb Raider reboot. Oh how they have fallen.
sony's policy is: if you download it you cannot refund it
steam's refund poilcy is not freindly for a lot of indie games
I swear Aspyr can't do anything right not even because they don't want to they just can't. I'm still going to enjoy playing this on the couch with my brother like back in the day though
I didn't even know they did that to battlefront 2
I have the OG pc version and it's kept me from even bothering with the "remaster" from 2018 that I got for free on epic
I actually do know about Aspyr because I like looking up the developers of games that I like, and they have made a lot of good ports. Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 for the Nintendo Switch is a good example: full port of the PC Game, with a new controller-friendly menu system, and the only excluded features being the ability to import and export community-made coasters and parks (which admittedly is a big part of the game). I played that game a bunch although it helps that it came out in 2020 and I had nothing better to do, lol. Anyway they also made the Switch port of Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, which I thought was pretty fun (even though it seemed to just be the original PC game running in HD and widescreen) although again, I was playing basically everything in 2020. And I think Aspyr mainly specializes in Mac and Linux ports of games, which are often fine. Really I don't know why they messed up the Battlefront port, was it tight deadlines or executive mandates or something else?
Although, the Battlefront Remaster proves something that I have often speculated. So, the Xbox Series X takes games from the original Xbox and Xbox 360, makes them 4K, sometimes makes them 60FPS, but otherwise they're the same games. This can actually really improve games with performance issues on 360 (Sonic Generations and Unleashed come to mind) but generally its a fairly minor upgrade. Anyway, I have often speculated that an Xbox 360 game which costs $15 on the Xbox store would cost $60 if it was re-released on PS5 as a "4K Remaster." Although I've never quite seen such a perfect comparison as this Battlefront rerelease, where the Original Xbox version running on a Series X is the exact same game, but its cheaper and it takes up less space on your SSD. Also this is just proof that PC is the best platform due to its backwards compatibility.
This collection pisses me off so much, the graphics look so much worse, lighting problems which make maps look broken, just horrible visual issues and glitches. I brought the game for my switch, it's always me dream to have had these games on switch, I finally got that wish and it broke my heart to see what had become of these games, how they visually butcherd these fine looking early 2000s games, with shitty AI upscaled textures, broken lighting, new horrible looking mipmapping effects..... I hate them!
Im so happy I have the original bf2 on my steam, hopefully this disaster brings more people back to the og
I tried the refund thing but they said I already downloaded the game. Well no duh most have preorders to download on their own 🤷🏻♂️
This kind of shit will get customers to stop buying shit period. They need to turn it around or an industry crash will happen.
The PC versions of the game still exist. Would it have been that hard to add the new content into that version and call it a day?
Just remember, when you give a corporation your hard earned money, you have a right to tell them when you are unhappy with their product. It is easy for these corporations to ignore pixels on a screen, we need to stand together and send physical letters to these companies on mass. They cannot ignore that
Played it for less than an hour on Xbox, realized it was broken, and when I requested a refund they gave me back my money within a few hours. Don't be afraid to try to get a refund on Xbox
I feel like this would just result in padding out the tutorial
I pray this goes viral.
Sticking to the older steam versions :/
>refund after 2 hours of play time
*Todd Howard maliciously smiles behind starfield's loading screens*
The close up to Konami is why I never trust anything new Konami is releasing although Getsufumaden is great.