The ABC has 2 centre right voices, 2 centre left voices and 3 extreme left voices. As an indigenous man who loves this country id like to hear more voices that actually reflect our mobs views not the loud ones. I celebrate Australia Day out of respect for my ancestors and their sacrifices
Almost everything I've said here has been censored. They seem to let others throw their opinion around but silence our own views on our own issues. I'd rather see us advocate for real day to day issues, not this one day fiasco. What about kids getting locked up, what about the youth su!c!de epidemic, what about poverty levels, what about all the real issues... But we use the biggest protest of the year to change the date.... And the ABC will delete this comment because they don't want real issues being talked about because this "debate" gets views.
Based on the very few polls I can find for Indigenous opinions on Jan 26, only around 23% of Indigenous Australians support keeping the date/have positive feelings about Jan 26. The composition of this group does seem to be fairly representative of Indigenous opinions on the issue. Given that these numbers are from a few years ago and support for changing the date/abolishing the date overall has only increased since then, I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of Indigenous Australians that celebrate or have positive feelings about Jan 26 has decreased, in which case, have 2 voices in support of the date would actually be an overrepresentation. You're more than entitled to your opinions and feelings about them, but the fact is, these voices do reflect the voices of Indigenous Australians, not just those whose voices are loudest
It's very saddening to hear the pretty young girl in this video, Guyala Bayles criticise this country with such hatred and bitterness and say that she isn't proud to be Australian nor is it a country that deserves having a day to celebrate our national identity. Regardless of your stance on Australia Day and the inexcusable dark history of European colonialism and oppression against the indigenous people, today Australia truly is one of the best countries in the world. Our rights, our freedoms, our democracy and our way of life is truly worth celebrating and being grateful for. We are not a perfect nation as no nation truly is perfect but we are certainly a great one, with amazing living standards and so much potential to become even better if we all come together and strive for it. Guyala Bayles comment that we have so much homelessness and suffering along with the cost of living rising that we have nothing to celebrate is so misinformed and misguided as the whole world at this point in time is struggling financially with Australia still doing better than most other countries. I really wish she'd travel abroad to get some perspectives on third world countries as well as countries currently enduring war to see what real poverty and suffering is. Here in Australia we are quite spoilt and take a lot of things for granted which allows people like Guyala Bayles to be so ungrateful for the freedoms and privileges most other people in the world certainly do not have. The suffering and dark history of indigenous peoples in this country as well as the soldiers who fought in wars and died for this country are the reasons we can live the way we do today and that's something we should acknowledge and be so very grateful for, not be ashamed of and allow all those sacrifices and suffering to be in vain. You wouldn't be able to sit in front of a camera giving your ill formed opinion about how terrible you think Australia is if it weren't for your ancestors enduring, suffering and fighting to make sure that you have a better life in this country today.
Thanks for taking the time to articulate what I believe most of Australians think. I wish more of us knew how spoilt we are, and to be grateful for our fortunate situation. Love this country and literally kiss the red earth I was born on.
Communists like her are only interested in hate, destruction and trying to ruin society. If she hates Australia so much, I'd love to know which country she thinks is better and why she doesn't move there immediately.
@@JaneMiddleton-j7i like Bebe it’s that attitude that generates a platform for themselves. Bebe definitely goes home disappointed after walking down the street and no one has abused him for the shirt he’s wearing.
Im so sick of this Colonization rhetoric. I respect all Australians. As a non-Anglo Australian I respect our motherland and the language and culture we inherited. A lawful society with democracy. Before the arrival of the first fleet Indigenous australians had NO Written language. Tribal conflicts between aboriginal nations was rampant. Look at PNG and how they still have Tribal conflicts and lawless areas. Australia is a multi ethnic nation. I'm a son of immigrants from Yugoslavia (Croatia specifically). The British gave opportunity for my relatives and other Anglo-Celtic people and other people from different nations. So what are all people against Australia day Xenophobic now? Celebrating January 26th brings a commemoration of bringing Democracy to this land. God Save the King of Australia!
All they're interested in is grievances and protecting the handouts which sustain them. Typical of the city dwelling "aborigines" who are mostly white but who are forever persecuted in their own minds and of their own choice.
yes while what the british did wasn’t the best of things they could have done but there actions carved out a bright future of a diverse free and equal nation
As an Australian with both European and Aboriginal ancestry (which is true of most Aboriginal people in metropolitan communities), I can’t understand how colonisation can be viewed as mainly negative. The fact is, were it not for European settlement, we would never have been born. Do some people believe that if not for European settlement, they would still have been born, but with purely Aboriginal ancestry? Because that’s not how it works. If you have any European ancestry, your very existence is only possible because of colonisation.
You can't understand how colonisation can be viewed as mainly negative ? Colonisation is illegal, and for a very good reason. If you can't understand why criminal behaviour is negative, then I don't know what to say to you.......
@ well, it’s illegal now, yes. But to break the argument down to it is illegal and therefore it is bad doesn’t really add anything to the discussion. Not so long ago it was illegal for people of non-European ethnicity to migrate to Australia. It’s a good thing we didn’t employ your rigorous argument to justify maintaining the status quo back then, isn’t it? I don’t argue that colonisation as a general concept is a positive thing. I’m talking specifically about the European colonisation of Australia. To say that it was and is overwhelmingly negative in its entirety is not a statement that I could ever agree with because it resulted in the existence of me and everyone I know and love. It’s crazy to say that i would he better off if it never happened because I wouldn’t exist, and neither would my parents or their parents.
Major religions have a lineal life belief. Indigenous belief is based on Tjukurpa, that the life of a spirit is cyclic. Which is why we don't speak of the deceased, look at their pictures, or mimic the deceased. Because it can invoke or disturb the deceased spirit in its new life or on its journey through tjukurpa(dreamtime) to its new life, here, on earth. Not in heaven or some other spiritual realm. We all return here in one way or another. TJUKURPA
Changing the date will do nothing. January 26th is a day for all Australians. Indigenous Australians have an entire week dedicated to celebrating their culture and history. Colonisation = Genocide is wrong. And the more Australians are forced to acknowledge the traditional owners in university work the more we are against it.
No one is celebrating invasion, but like it or not Australia is a western country in Oceana because of colonialism. The way of life we enjoy and want for those still less fortunate are a direct result of that. History in all countries is full of horrible events. No one in their right mind celebrates those, and people who think that the vast majority of Australians are doing anything but celebrating the good things about Australia are willingly out of touch.
As an Australian born 52 year old man with Irish and Greek ancestry with over 20yrs service in the Australian Navy, I hate the division that Australia day causes between colonial settlers offspring, immigrants and indigenous members of the Aussie community. For years I have suggested to friends and colleges a "new" day for all Australians to celebrate. The day will be called Foundation Day, and it will be a celebration of all the migrants from the last 150 years who have built the foundations for Australia to develop into the country that it is today. Whether they came as migrants to built infrastructure, such as power stations, our fabrication industry, transport links and vehicles, homes and commercial buildings or contributed in later years to our recent (still emerging) amazing culinary heritage. The date would be on the last Monday of February, (random date each year with no affiliation to colonization) which is a decent break between Christmas and Easter holidays. All Aussies would have a day off to celebrate our cultural heritage, without offending First Nations people. Nothing to do with the First Fleet or Captain Cook, nothing to do with peoples right to vote or removed children. Just one day of celebration for immigrants and indigenous people who helped built our amazing countries infrastructure to reflect on, allowing us to prosper today and into the future. Cheers Simon
Most migrants since 1788 have been from England, Ireland and Scotland. They are also the single largest post WW2 immigration group. If you want to start and divide everyone up by race then you shot yourself in the foot because the over-whelming largest single greatest contributor to Australia's culture and it's institutions are the English, Irish, and Scottish, the Anglo-Celtic people...When some one says they have "become Australian" that is actually what they mean, you have become Anglo-Celtic in your way of life. So don't bang on about post-war development: Anglo-Celts blood sweat and tears made this country a place so later migrant could survive, and Anglo-Celts were the largest single post-war migrant group in the post-war advancement. As for food, spare us the tired old "culinary heritage" BS. You know nothing about the amazing and diverse foods Anglo-Celts have, let alone the way we have developed them, or have combined them with native ingredients. I was desperate for food recently and got ripped off for some Greek "culinary heritage" consisting of an oily Moussaka (AKA Lasagna) that looked like a piece of shit on a plate, a "Greek Salad" (what ever that is) containing one olive, and some chips on the side as soft as mashed potato. Captain Cook and the First Fleeter's were outstanding humans, the later being garnered by the local Aboriginals in Port Jackson to fight off there neighboring tribal enemies. Finally, if you feel guilty and want to change the date, piss off with your pandering to these neo-Marxist's who hate Western Civilization, give your house to an Aboriginal (good luck finding one with out European genes) and take the first flight out to Greece or Ireland. Happy January 26!
A "Foundation Day" that deliberately cuts out the history of the people who actually laid the foundation for Australia which enabled all subsequent migrants of the last 150 years to come to Australia. How inclusive of you.
@@echelon2k8 Keep Jan 26. The haters are losing as more people learn the simple truth. The truth really is what wins the argument, we just have to get the word out there.
I think the conclusion at the end of the video when they all discussed what each would be doing for Australia Day with most having plans with friends and family as well as getting together with their mob kind of proved why Australia Day is actually an amazing thing that brings out people's spirits and brings people of all races together to celebrate a country I think a lot of people take for granted and that we are actually very fortunate to be apart of. It is sad when some of them said they're not proud to be Australian and questioned if Australia even deserves a day to celebrate our national identity when in reality compared to the rest of the world, we are genuinely in one of the best and most free countries in existence. We are not perfect but no country is without its flaws. I truly understand indigenous people's standpoint and how they feel with regards to the origins of Australia Day on the 26th of January being the start of oppression from European colonialism and how that isn't something we should be embracing. While that may be the origin of the chosen day, it doesn't have to be the reason we're celebrating now, now it's a day for us to embrace all that we are and all the we've accomplished and share pride in our national identity, despite the mistakes of the past. If racist people use it to celebrate for the wrong reasons, they don't represent this country and don't deserve the freedoms they have. I wouldn't be opposed to changing the day if we had another significant day in our countries history to celebrate. The only other one that would be an option would be January 1st 1901 when we established the federation of Australia, separating us from Europe. I doubt however that Australians would want new year's day to also be Australia day. I believe one day we will separate completely from the European monarch and the commonwealth, becoming truly independent giving us the opportunity to remove Australia Day from being the 26th of January and have an Independence Day for Australia marking whatever date that may be. Until then I think the 26th of January can still remain a day of national pride to celebrate all that way are and all that we can be.
early on it already seems like the deck is stacked against Australia Day. Seems less of a debate and more of a justification. This is why people get annoyed with the ABC. Personally, I think changing that date won't solve anything - it's just where activists are hanging their hat for now. If you change the date, they'll move the yardstick. Their issue is with colonialism itself, and they'll protest any celebration of that. Problem is, the land would have been invaded at some point, it was just a matter of who. While we can acknowledge the sins of the past, it's time to end this divisive agenda and live in the now.
10:40, wow, you have me goosebumps. So eloquently put. We definitely need our schools to teach the children to truth about history, not the white agenda and narrative.
I work in schools, and the current curriculum across the schools I’ve worked in we absolutely do talked about THE WHOLE history of colonisation of Australia. The sterilised, white nationalist perspective has been out of action for a while now…
@@veryindigenousperson9497 Makes no difference whats written on a peice of paper, personally i dont celebrate the day. Im just happy to live in this great country. No one ever mentions the poor convicts, damn poor buggers.
@@veryindigenousperson9497 Probably because it was a very woke policy that would have ended in disaster as it would be taken to an extreme where people are not allowed to patriotic anymore. What's wrong with loving one's own country. Also have you forgotten the song "We are Australian" that is what defines Australia as well as out national anthem.
@dabadshoes8658 No, songs with the word australia in it do not define "australia". It's been explained to you the same as it is explained to children in primary school, and you still don't get it.
@@veryindigenousperson9497 Aboriginals are Australians, same as all of us mate. You people just don't get a special little racial spot in the constitution. I know blut und boden nationalism is tempting, but spare us the rhetoric.
Happy New Year and Happy Australia Month everyone. 1st January 2025 to 31st January 2025 and every year following will be celebrated as Australia Month. 26th January will be a Public Holiday within that month and all Australians and invited guests will enjoy an extra-special day of remembering and appreciating what the First Real Australians (not those sitting in dirt) did. The celebrations will commence with a Welcome to Country Proclamation: Welcome to my country. I'd like to acknowledge the early pioneers who came to this country over two hundred years ago and developed an almost uninhabitable land by establishing farms, roads, schools, hospitals, towns and cities, railways, ports and harbours, universities, health clinics, telecommunications, factories and industries, warm (or cool) comfortable homes, shopping centres, a reliable abundant food supply, libraries, clean water, electricity and gas, airlines, the mining industry ... the list goes on. Welcome to my country. After that, it's party, party and party.
Australian culture is an evolution of Aboriginal culture. The date as it is, is important for us all, but maybe in different ways. We with heritage need to stop playing the victim card and celebrate Australia. The 26th of Jan is the inflection point, its the motivation for us all to get a better grasp of our history.
The change the date debate is taking too much energy from other things people could do preserve or develop what’s left in the culture. points from 11:06 is a great point. I know it’s a day of mourning but I see it now as a day of resilience as it was actually almost extinct. So when I say “don’t change it” It isn’t with any disrespect to get over it.
Never have I or my family celebrated any of the past horrors of the murders of indigenous people nor do I celebrate the whites that were speared no matter that you were here before whites innocent harmless people were murdered on both sides it cant be justified it was a different time in history convicts mostly were not guilty of killing so why do we all have to bare responsibility when it was the Governor who was largely responsible and the soldiers he ordered to kill and a handful of free settlers and convicts we know the truth but we cant change history and its not about denying history its only to remember we all survived through hardship and fighting in Wars together with the indigenous soldiers
Indigenous soliders weren't even acknowledged upon their return from wars. Also, it was more than a handful of free settlers killing our ancestors not upon any green light from any governor either. It was firmly stated to the soliders & convicts to NOT harm original owners of this land in which they ignored. Aboriginal people only killed in desperation for food sources , sacred & tribal lands & retaliation for rape & murder of their tribesmen/ woman. I don't think you truly "know" the TRUTH at all. Some ppl are victims of their own decisions, others are victims because they were victimised. Big difference when you talk about remembering the killings of both black & whites in those times.
Well, that was a good representation of everything I want to see in my country. People respectfully voicing their opinions in a group discussion. As it should be in any civilised society. Sadly I cannot say the same about some of the very inflammatory and intolerant musings in the comments. For what it’s worth I am for change the date, re-name 26th Jan invasion day and teach kids the truth. I want a day where all Australians, the First Nations people, the white folk and the newer immigrant Australians can celebrate together what is good in my country. There is still a lot of work to do, but if this civilised debate taught me anything it is that there IS stuff to celebrate. As a white person I feel uncomfortable celebrating my country on a day I know causes a lot of pain to many First Nations people. I want a more inclusive date. While we’re at it, could we change the flag too please, we don’t need that Union Jack anymore.
I think this is fairly easily sorted out as a utilitarian problem. The date is changed, what likely happens? There is less distress around the celebration on a date marked by the start of colonisation. There will likely be some backlash and distress from people who are attached to the date from their upbringing. This will likely reduce over the course of a few years and even reduce below baseline if more people celebrate as a whole. Australia day can be freely celebrated by most who have anything to be thankful for. Keep the date as 26. What happens? It becomes increasingly socially unacceptable to celebrate this country as more people come across the historical significance of Jan 26. We don't have a unifying day. People who want to celebrate and be thankful for what is good about this country will resent that they are being leered at if the do celebrate and feel sad if they choose not to. People who were dispossessed will resent those who celebrate dispite the historical significance. In regular terms. Changing the date will be tough on Australians but not changing it will be tougher.
Should be left alone, people need to get over this invasion business and not use it as an opportunity to make claims of compensation, pure opportunistic.
On the contrary, 80% of Australians want to keep January 26 and Aboriginals like Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine, and Prof. Anthony Dillon are leading the charge, so your proposition can confidently be put aside. Furthermore, giving bullies what they want never works; they simply demand more. Also, consider that it is vacillating guilt-ridden white people like yourself, backing down, that these bullies rely on. Finally, have some back bone. If you feel guilty give your house to an Aboriginal (good luck finding one without European genes), and catch the first flight out. happy January 26!
On the contrary, 80% of Australians want to keep January 26 and Aboriginals like Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine, and Prof. Anthony Dillon are leading the charge, so your proposition can confidently be put aside. Furthermore, giving bullies what they want never works; they simply demand more. Also, consider that it is vacillating guilt-ridden white people like yourself, backing down, that these bullies rely on. Finally, have some back bone. If you feel guilty give your house to an Aboriginal (good luck finding one without European genes), and catch the first flight out. Happy January 26!
On the contrary 80% of Australians want to keep January 26 and Aboriginals like Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine, and Prof. Anthony Dillon are leading the charge, so your proposition can confidently be put aside. Furthermore, giving bullies what they want never works; they simply demand more. Also, consider that it is vacillating guilt-ridden white people like yourself, backing down, that these bullies rely on. Finally, have some back bone. If you feel guilty give your house to an Aboriginal (good luck finding one without European genes), and catch the first flight out. happy January 26!
just change the bloody date so we can all celebrate it together jan 26th hurts people jan like 29th or something, no one will care just change it if you are so emotionally attached to it being jan 26 go get a life bcs its a day off work to celebrate our whole country together, let it be a date that doesn't hurt a whole demographic of our country
No matter which date they change it too, they'll still find something to complain about. Did the apology change anything? No. It's all about the grievance industry and collecting taxpayer money for city dwelling, mostly white "aborigines".
I suggest that the Indigenous people of this country celebrate on Jan 26 about who you are, a proud people and the oldest continuous culture. Hating the date will only cause division more than necessary. This country undoubtedly would be taken over by people, history shows empires were formed. Unfortunately, the Indigenous people were unable to defend and now must live with what is presented, be fortunate the white man came instead of the yellow man.
You obviously don't understand their POV. Also wdym the "yellow man"?? Are you talking about the hardworking members of the country who make up the backbone of many jobs in Australia? Sounds pretty racist to me 😋
The "yellow man" is our neighbour they were coming here for hundreds, if not thousands of years before anyone else. They didn't do a thing except trade with us.
@jayceel251 I agree, jobs are received as part of our economic relationship. All I'm saying is if China wanted to expand their empire Australia wouldn't even be called that and be under commonism, glad they didn't.
I greatly appreciate hearing the views expressed. We have very similar problems in the U.S. White entitlement goes unquestioned by Whites. When Indigenous Peoples around the world resist it and stand up for themselves, you can be sure the uninvited Colonialists, whether in Australia, Canada, the U.S., the Carribean, South America, Polynesia, and elsewhere, the sensitive and entitled Whites will be offended. Thank you for sharing this. From San Diego, California, USA.
Are you a bot? Because this reads like someone who just goes with whatever is socially acceptable at the time. The fact that you use phrases like "white entitlement" shows that you are either racist or self hating. Believe it or not there are places worse than Australia (Russia or China much?) who carry out active discriminiation and yet you only point out problems in countries you can feel safe to point out problems in. Also most people from where I come from do not even speak to each other. A lot of the time when people go get a coffee, they just want to get a coffee but when a white person who is minding their own business get yelled at and called a coloniser, they will stick up for themselves you call white people sensitive when clearly people like you end up being more hateful and more intolerant then the people you claim are.
As Australians I just hope we can all celebrate one day that the quality of life in this country has significantly improved over time and acknowledge that the past if full of possitives and negatives, but overall this country has become a beautiful home for people of every race. We also need to be realistic about the differences between rural and non-rural first nations outcomes. In the cities first nations are doing on average similar to non-indigenous Australians, but in the rural areas and specifically a lot of the land council areas we cannot expect the same statistics with so much economic growth being blocked by land council. Im not saying that all these areas need to be turned into cities and have the traditional ways forgotten, but we cannot expect the same outcomes from areas without the economic infrastructure and facilities that help people close some of the gaps. Different cultures and ways of life have different outcomes on all sorts of metrics.
5:27 There will always be division no matter what date you choose as you can't and never can please anyone. Even if some people do get what they want, they'll just find something else to be divisive over.
I respect the indigenous people,but this division on their part is absolutely rubbish, my parents are born overseas and for them becoming an Australian citizen was the best day for them, I have grown up with my parents telling me to be proud of being Australian, this country has given my parents so many opportunities and I believe that it also gives the indigenous people the same, they are recognised almost everywhere, my son's school always gives recognition to them...we respect the indigenous people of this land but We are all Australian in my opinion
“I respect the indigenous people BUT….” And there you have it. BUT literally excuses everything before that word. You don’t respect or UNDERSTAND what it is like to feel the effects of the stolen generation. Do some study about our history before you come in and talk about your story. This video is about the indigenous peoples feelings not immigrants. This time it is about us.
@@MummaMia5 The Stolen Generation is a neo-Marxist myth. All people were subject to the same removal policies. It is just that Aboriginals had more problems. Many were so glad to have a better life, though you don't here that getting publicity. Today, they are still removing Aboriginals from situations of rape, incest, violence, and neglect.
At 1:20. narrator says "ON 26 January the first fleet landed at Sydney Cove" ...... That's wrong. They arrived at Botany Bay on 18 January, and on 24 January arrived at Sydney Cove. The Union Jack was actually raised on 20 January at Botany Bay, and again at Sydney Cove on 28 January.... Source: Arthur Phillips Journal 26 January 1901 was the day that Australian laws overtook British laws after Federation. It was celebrated as Foundation Day. Unique to the Australian laws, seperate from British laws.... Aus laws gave equal legal protection to aborigines. Where is the invasion?
"The Union Jack was first raised in Australia on 29 April 1770 by Captain Cook at Stingray Harbour (later renamed Botany Bay). Governor Phillip hoisted this flag again on 26 January 1788 at Sydney Cove, marking the first European settlement of Australia." - From the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet website. “Why is Australia Day celebrated on 26 January? While some believe this date commemorates the landing of the First Fleet, when convicts from England first set foot in Australia in 1788, it actually marks the day the fleet went ashore in Sydney Cove, a small bay in Sydney Harbour, about a week later. It was on this day that Captain Arthur Phillip, who also officially declared British sovereignty over half of Australia, first raised the Union Jack flag in Sydney Cove.” - From SBS News “Australia Day, 26 January, is the anniversary of the arrival of the First Fleet of 11 convict ships from Great Britain, and the raising of the Union Jack at Sydney Cove by its commander Captain Arthur Phillip, in 1788” - taken from a now archived section of the Australia Day website, presumably archived due to public opinion shifts about the day, the website now mentions nothing about the origin of the day What you have written is blatantly false and is not professed by any official organisation nor historian. January 26 has long been cited to be a celebration of the raising of the Union Jack and a symbolic claiming of Australia for the British Crown and was proudly proclaimed as such until public opinion shifted. You can pretend and try and reinvent history but it’s all there to see, readily available.
@ Would love a link to the journals as there isn't anything I can find in regard to these dates, only an overwhelming consensus that 26th of January was the day which marked the beginning of British settlement in Australia. Wikipedia also states that the flag wasn't officially planted until the 7th of February but there is no source cited for that claim. Even if it was a different day in actuality, it doesn't change the fact that January 26th celebrations began as a celebration explicitly for the settlement of Australia by the British, first in NSW and later Australia-wide. I can also find nothing significant in the legal history of Australia in regard to Jan 26 1901. Federation was the 1st of Jan, British laws were not "overtaken" by Australian laws on Jan 26 1901.
@@fraserbatts Copies of the Journals are held in NSW State Library along with 20 pages of his original journal. Re 26 January.... big clue here.... it was originally called Federation day. The day the Australian Constitution came into effect
@@Kangawallapossumbat I understand that copies of the journals are held at NSW state library, however, nothing I could find aligns with your claims. Jan 26 celebrations commemorating the beginning of settlement stem from the 1800s (Jan 26, 1838 to be exact), before federation, so it wasn't originally Federation Day. Federation Day is Jan 1st 1901, which is also the day the Australian constitution came into effect, not Jan 26
No mention of Howard era politics shaping nationhood away from including and representing Indigenous Australia, showing respect to people so they respect themselves and don’t feel inferior or less than? Restoring dignity and pride in our mob? We want to celebrate but it isn’t the date we can fully embrace.
As an immigrant who first came here in 1998, I think it should be the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who decide if we change the date, and if it should be changed, what the other date should be or if it should be kept at all.
Didn't you learn anything from the last referendum? Changing the date or not is something that affects ALL Australians, so it's something for ALL Australians to decide, not just Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders.
I see a table of people who are desperate to be victims. I see some people at that table who are clearly grown up and wanting to move on. Pretty sure there's some careers at the table who rely on division to continue. What I also think is hilarious, is none of these people would exist if everything in history didn't happen exactly how it did.
Not everyone celebrates or agrees with Christmas, Hanukkah, Eid al-Fitr, Independence Day, Durga Puja, Songkran… Australia Day should be added to the list of celebrations / holidays that some people choose to celebrate and other people that don’t.
I don't "celebrate" it & never have done anything special for it. It's just another public holiday off work for me. However, the past is the past. It's gone & it can't be changed. My ancestors were Irish convicts but I don't spend my life feeling that I'm somehow suffering because of what my ancestors went through because of their treatment by the British. I haven't had 1 cent of compensation for generational trauma or the offer of Land Rights back in my ancestral country. Our life is what we make it now, not what happened hundreds of years before we were even born. The problem was the British enforcing their empire in many places around the world to the detriment & suffering of native peoples. In my opinion the best solution would be to cast off our connection to the British Empire & become a Republic but in the last referendum the majority voted against that in some stupid loyalty to Britain & it's monarchy. Would independence from Britain solve the problem? Or would the activists then find something else to guilt trip all non-indigenous people about. If it wasn't the British then another country would've eventually colonised Australia. We are all one people of one nation & it's time to stop the hatred, anger, aggression, fighting, resentment etc & come together in peace & love. Or... continue as we are & let all that negative bullshit continue to pull us down .
Great discussion all round. This is what an articulate debate sounds like. Everyone will have their opinion and they deserve to be heard in a peaceful manner as demonstrated here
😂 because there's very few aboriginals so they don't want that, that want politicians to vote on it so they can pressure a few politicians and get their way like they've been doing for yonks
No matter what day it could be it won’t be deserving enough for the indigenous community. They’ll find something wrong. Plus to say this is invasion day is the wrong date! Cook discovered Australia way before this date so they’re protesting for the wrong date. How ridiculous is that? Arthur Phillip arrived in Sydney on this date with a full fleet of colonisers. It wasn’t Invasion!! This is our history and we should keep the date. I’m not responsible for what actions my ancestors did or didn’t do. You can’t hold people to ransom over the past. This whole situation is wrong!! The indigenous peoples are dividing our country not bringing it together!! We’re all Australian’s!! End of story!!
Bless bless bless these people, wow. Raise awareness into learning from indigenous australians. People are seriously untaught about the history - paired with a horrible stigma.
Correct. Well said. How many empires before the British empire came along in 1770. Seriously. You could have had the Dutch in 1580. They are European. Look at South Africa with apartheid. Significantly worse. Also the Japanese in 1944.
It was the act of invasion, along with the the fact that there was no mention of the word "Australia" until decades later, that makes January 26th Invasion Day... Historical facts.
@@dresemajfarrant9136 what made it an invasion? Should we say sorry we exist? Was there no room here? Was an army sent? Did we come guns blazing? Stop lying and educate yourself on the meaning of an invasion.
@PlayingWithWilson "Was Australia invaded in a legal sense ? This allows us to answer the question of whether Australia was invaded in a strict legal sense. Carlos Calvo, in his dictionary of international law of 1885, gave three overlapping definitions of invasion: - occupation by force of the territory of others. - irruption by an army or a large multitude of people into another land in order to seize it. - the action of invading a country by force of arms. As these definitions suggest, the central meaning of the word “invasion” in international law was the entry by force by one sovereign into the territory of another sovereign. This happened on January 26 1788, when agents of the British government, including military officers and marines, entered the sovereign territory of the Gadigal people at Sydney Cove. It happened again and again over the following century, whenever British governmental forces entered the territory of another Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people to seize that territory".
I'm from PNG and maybe the Aboriginals can learn something from PNG. PNG was under Extreme Racist Australian Rule for 70 years. During those colonial rules our people were forbidden to enter Hotels, restaurants etc... they were not allowed to wear proper clothes like White Australians, our people were forbidden to go Ela Beach in Port Moresby for swimming 🏊 etc.. only whites were allowed. The Australian colonial government did everything to prevent education for local Papua New Guineans. PNG education only started because of international pressures from other countries on Australia. The Australian colonial rule of PNG was to prevent the local people from any form of advancements. Local people could not move from one part of country to another without permission from white Australian Government, local people couldn't leave PNG for overseas unless they get permission from Australian Government. The Australian colonial rule of PNG was extremely brutal and racist. But for me and many Papua New Guineans that was in the past. PNG people have no hate for Australia at all, forgive and move on. Honestly what happened in past let it go. Even though Australia treated us badly we forgive them and now PNG is like a Brother to Australia no matter what happened in the past. PNG don't even have any movement to tell Australia to answer for their Extreme Racist Rule of PNG. Forgive and move on is the message. Aboriginals should try and forgive and move on...
The ABC has 2 centre right voices, 2 centre left voices and 3 extreme left voices. As an indigenous man who loves this country id like to hear more voices that actually reflect our mobs views not the loud ones. I celebrate Australia Day out of respect for my ancestors and their sacrifices
Almost everything I've said here has been censored. They seem to let others throw their opinion around but silence our own views on our own issues.
I'd rather see us advocate for real day to day issues, not this one day fiasco.
What about kids getting locked up, what about the youth su!c!de epidemic, what about poverty levels, what about all the real issues...
But we use the biggest protest of the year to change the date....
And the ABC will delete this comment because they don't want real issues being talked about because this "debate" gets views.
Based on the very few polls I can find for Indigenous opinions on Jan 26, only around 23% of Indigenous Australians support keeping the date/have positive feelings about Jan 26. The composition of this group does seem to be fairly representative of Indigenous opinions on the issue. Given that these numbers are from a few years ago and support for changing the date/abolishing the date overall has only increased since then, I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of Indigenous Australians that celebrate or have positive feelings about Jan 26 has decreased, in which case, have 2 voices in support of the date would actually be an overrepresentation. You're more than entitled to your opinions and feelings about them, but the fact is, these voices do reflect the voices of Indigenous Australians, not just those whose voices are loudest
Well said!
Are you surprised that the ABC would have a panel which skews far-left? They're far too afraid of broadcasting a balanced conversation.
Happy Australia Day brother. Aboriginals have contributed to our great nation of Australia just like everyone else!
It's very saddening to hear the pretty young girl in this video, Guyala Bayles criticise this country with such hatred and bitterness and say that she isn't proud to be Australian nor is it a country that deserves having a day to celebrate our national identity.
Regardless of your stance on Australia Day and the inexcusable dark history of European colonialism and oppression against the indigenous people, today Australia truly is one of the best countries in the world. Our rights, our freedoms, our democracy and our way of life is truly worth celebrating and being grateful for. We are not a perfect nation as no nation truly is perfect but we are certainly a great one, with amazing living standards and so much potential to become even better if we all come together and strive for it.
Guyala Bayles comment that we have so much homelessness and suffering along with the cost of living rising that we have nothing to celebrate is so misinformed and misguided as the whole world at this point in time is struggling financially with Australia still doing better than most other countries. I really wish she'd travel abroad to get some perspectives on third world countries as well as countries currently enduring war to see what real poverty and suffering is.
Here in Australia we are quite spoilt and take a lot of things for granted which allows people like Guyala Bayles to be so ungrateful for the freedoms and privileges most other people in the world certainly do not have. The suffering and dark history of indigenous peoples in this country as well as the soldiers who fought in wars and died for this country are the reasons we can live the way we do today and that's something we should acknowledge and be so very grateful for, not be ashamed of and allow all those sacrifices and suffering to be in vain.
You wouldn't be able to sit in front of a camera giving your ill formed opinion about how terrible you think Australia is if it weren't for your ancestors enduring, suffering and fighting to make sure that you have a better life in this country today.
Thanks for taking the time to articulate what I believe most of Australians think. I wish more of us knew how spoilt we are, and to be grateful for our fortunate situation. Love this country and literally kiss the red earth I was born on.
Communists like her are only interested in hate, destruction and trying to ruin society. If she hates Australia so much, I'd love to know which country she thinks is better and why she doesn't move there immediately.
@@JaneMiddleton-j7i like Bebe it’s that attitude that generates a platform for themselves.
Bebe definitely goes home disappointed after walking down the street and no one has abused him for the shirt he’s wearing.
Im so sick of this Colonization rhetoric.
I respect all Australians. As a non-Anglo Australian I respect our motherland and the language and culture we inherited.
A lawful society with democracy.
Before the arrival of the first fleet Indigenous australians had NO Written language.
Tribal conflicts between aboriginal nations was rampant.
Look at PNG and how they still have Tribal conflicts and lawless areas.
Australia is a multi ethnic nation. I'm a son of immigrants from Yugoslavia (Croatia specifically).
The British gave opportunity for my relatives and other Anglo-Celtic people and other people from different nations.
So what are all people against Australia day Xenophobic now?
Celebrating January 26th brings a commemoration of bringing Democracy to this land.
God Save the King of Australia!
All they're interested in is grievances and protecting the handouts which sustain them. Typical of the city dwelling "aborigines" who are mostly white but who are forever persecuted in their own minds and of their own choice.
yes while what the british did wasn’t the best of things they could have done but there actions carved out a bright future of a diverse free and equal nation
🎉 happy Australia 🦘 day.
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE Oi Oi Oi 🇦🇺
@@PlayingWithWilson The most Bogan chant of all time
0/10 rage bait
I’m over it.
In the morning I mourn
In the afternoon I celebrate.
Your mileage may vary.
AUSTRALIA DAY 26 JANUARY FOR EVER !
As an Australian with both European and Aboriginal ancestry (which is true of most Aboriginal people in metropolitan communities), I can’t understand how colonisation can be viewed as mainly negative.
The fact is, were it not for European settlement, we would never have been born. Do some people believe that if not for European settlement, they would still have been born, but with purely Aboriginal ancestry? Because that’s not how it works. If you have any European ancestry, your very existence is only possible because of colonisation.
You can't understand how colonisation can be viewed as mainly negative ? Colonisation is illegal, and for a very good reason. If you can't understand why criminal behaviour is negative, then I don't know what to say to you.......
@ well, it’s illegal now, yes. But to break the argument down to it is illegal and therefore it is bad doesn’t really add anything to the discussion.
Not so long ago it was illegal for people of non-European ethnicity to migrate to Australia. It’s a good thing we didn’t employ your rigorous argument to justify maintaining the status quo back then, isn’t it?
I don’t argue that colonisation as a general concept is a positive thing. I’m talking specifically about the European colonisation of Australia. To say that it was and is overwhelmingly negative in its entirety is not a statement that I could ever agree with because it resulted in the existence of me and everyone I know and love. It’s crazy to say that i would he better off if it never happened because I wouldn’t exist, and neither would my parents or their parents.
Who gets born into what body, how, and when is a matter of religion and spirituality, not science.
Major religions have a lineal life belief.
Indigenous belief is based on Tjukurpa, that the life of a spirit is cyclic. Which is why we don't speak of the deceased, look at their pictures, or mimic the deceased. Because it can invoke or disturb the deceased spirit in its new life or on its journey through tjukurpa(dreamtime) to its new life, here, on earth. Not in heaven or some other spiritual realm. We all return here in one way or another.
TJUKURPA
I'm just saying, you have your belief, we have ours.
Who's to say either of our belief is correct.
Anthony, please don't give up on advocating for common sense in this country your point of view is spot on ??
Changing the date will do nothing.
January 26th is a day for all Australians.
Indigenous Australians have an entire week dedicated to celebrating their culture and history.
Colonisation = Genocide is wrong.
And the more Australians are forced to acknowledge the traditional owners in university work the more we are against it.
Australia Day 26th January, always was always will be, Albanese and the ABC are WOKE !!
Since when? Certainly not always. There was no Australia pre 1901.
Happy Australia day 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺😁
No one is celebrating invasion, but like it or not Australia is a western country in Oceana because of colonialism. The way of life we enjoy and want for those still less fortunate are a direct result of that. History in all countries is full of horrible events. No one in their right mind celebrates those, and people who think that the vast majority of Australians are doing anything but celebrating the good things about Australia are willingly out of touch.
Well spoken Tyson Lindsay. Very proud to see you as a representative in the Riverland Community, wish nothing but the best for you brother!!
As an Australian born 52 year old man with Irish and Greek ancestry with over 20yrs service in the Australian Navy, I hate the division that Australia day causes between colonial settlers offspring, immigrants and indigenous members of the Aussie community. For years I have suggested to friends and colleges a "new" day for all Australians to celebrate. The day will be called Foundation Day, and it will be a celebration of all the migrants from the last 150 years who have built the foundations for Australia to develop into the country that it is today. Whether they came as migrants to built infrastructure, such as power stations, our fabrication industry, transport links and vehicles, homes and commercial buildings or contributed in later years to our recent (still emerging) amazing culinary heritage.
The date would be on the last Monday of February, (random date each year with no affiliation to colonization) which is a decent break between Christmas and Easter holidays. All Aussies would have a day off to celebrate our cultural heritage, without offending First Nations people. Nothing to do with the First Fleet or Captain Cook, nothing to do with peoples right to vote or removed children. Just one day of celebration for immigrants and indigenous people who helped built our amazing countries infrastructure to reflect on, allowing us to prosper today and into the future.
Cheers Simon
I like your view!! Wish it was people like you getting traction online with reasonable arguments
Isant that what we celebrate?
Most migrants since 1788 have been from England, Ireland and Scotland. They are also the single largest post WW2 immigration group. If you want to start and divide everyone up by race then you shot yourself in the foot because the over-whelming largest single greatest contributor to Australia's culture and it's institutions are the English, Irish, and Scottish, the Anglo-Celtic people...When some one says they have "become Australian" that is actually what they mean, you have become Anglo-Celtic in your way of life. So don't bang on about post-war development: Anglo-Celts blood sweat and tears made this country a place so later migrant could survive, and Anglo-Celts were the largest single post-war migrant group in the post-war advancement. As for food, spare us the tired old "culinary heritage" BS. You know nothing about the amazing and diverse foods Anglo-Celts have, let alone the way we have developed them, or have combined them with native ingredients. I was desperate for food recently and got ripped off for some Greek "culinary heritage" consisting of an oily Moussaka (AKA Lasagna) that looked like a piece of shit on a plate, a "Greek Salad" (what ever that is) containing one olive, and some chips on the side as soft as mashed potato. Captain Cook and the First Fleeter's were outstanding humans, the later being garnered by the local Aboriginals in Port Jackson to fight off there neighboring tribal enemies. Finally, if you feel guilty and want to change the date, piss off with your pandering to these neo-Marxist's who hate Western Civilization, give your house to an Aboriginal (good luck finding one with out European genes) and take the first flight out to Greece or Ireland. Happy January 26!
A "Foundation Day" that deliberately cuts out the history of the people who actually laid the foundation for Australia which enabled all subsequent migrants of the last 150 years to come to Australia. How inclusive of you.
@@echelon2k8 Keep Jan 26. The haters are losing as more people learn the simple truth. The truth really is what wins the argument, we just have to get the word out there.
I think the conclusion at the end of the video when they all discussed what each would be doing for Australia Day with most having plans with friends and family as well as getting together with their mob kind of proved why Australia Day is actually an amazing thing that brings out people's spirits and brings people of all races together to celebrate a country I think a lot of people take for granted and that we are actually very fortunate to be apart of.
It is sad when some of them said they're not proud to be Australian and questioned if Australia even deserves a day to celebrate our national identity when in reality compared to the rest of the world, we are genuinely in one of the best and most free countries in existence. We are not perfect but no country is without its flaws.
I truly understand indigenous people's standpoint and how they feel with regards to the origins of Australia Day on the 26th of January being the start of oppression from European colonialism and how that isn't something we should be embracing. While that may be the origin of the chosen day, it doesn't have to be the reason we're celebrating now, now it's a day for us to embrace all that we are and all the we've accomplished and share pride in our national identity, despite the mistakes of the past. If racist people use it to celebrate for the wrong reasons, they don't represent this country and don't deserve the freedoms they have.
I wouldn't be opposed to changing the day if we had another significant day in our countries history to celebrate. The only other one that would be an option would be January 1st 1901 when we established the federation of Australia, separating us from Europe. I doubt however that Australians would want new year's day to also be Australia day. I believe one day we will separate completely from the European monarch and the commonwealth, becoming truly independent giving us the opportunity to remove Australia Day from being the 26th of January and have an Independence Day for Australia marking whatever date that may be. Until then I think the 26th of January can still remain a day of national pride to celebrate all that way are and all that we can be.
early on it already seems like the deck is stacked against Australia Day. Seems less of a debate and more of a justification. This is why people get annoyed with the ABC. Personally, I think changing that date won't solve anything - it's just where activists are hanging their hat for now. If you change the date, they'll move the yardstick. Their issue is with colonialism itself, and they'll protest any celebration of that. Problem is, the land would have been invaded at some point, it was just a matter of who. While we can acknowledge the sins of the past, it's time to end this divisive agenda and live in the now.
10:40, wow, you have me goosebumps. So eloquently put. We definitely need our schools to teach the children to truth about history, not the white agenda and narrative.
I work in schools, and the current curriculum across the schools I’ve worked in we absolutely do talked about THE WHOLE history of colonisation of Australia. The sterilised, white nationalist perspective has been out of action for a while now…
The greatest day we are all Australian It’s the best day,
Umm, nope. The constitution is what defines what is Australian.
Australia voted NO for constitutional recognition of Aboriginal peoples, remember?
@@veryindigenousperson9497 Makes no difference whats written on a peice of paper, personally i dont celebrate the day. Im just happy to live in this great country. No one ever mentions the poor convicts, damn poor buggers.
@@veryindigenousperson9497 Probably because it was a very woke policy that would have ended in disaster as it would be taken to an extreme where people are not allowed to patriotic anymore. What's wrong with loving one's own country. Also have you forgotten the song "We are Australian" that is what defines Australia as well as out national anthem.
@dabadshoes8658 No, songs with the word australia in it do not define "australia".
It's been explained to you the same as it is explained to children in primary school, and you still don't get it.
@@veryindigenousperson9497 Aboriginals are Australians, same as all of us mate. You people just don't get a special little racial spot in the constitution. I know blut und boden nationalism is tempting, but spare us the rhetoric.
Come on Aboriginal Australia, it's time to get on board and celebrate the greatest country on Earth ❤️
Happy New Year and Happy Australia Month everyone.
1st January 2025 to 31st January 2025 and every year following will be celebrated as Australia Month. 26th January will be a Public Holiday within that month and all Australians and invited guests will enjoy an extra-special day of remembering and appreciating what the First Real Australians (not those sitting in dirt) did. The celebrations will commence with a Welcome to Country Proclamation:
Welcome to my country. I'd like to acknowledge the early pioneers who came to this country over two hundred years ago and developed an almost uninhabitable land by establishing farms, roads, schools, hospitals, towns and cities, railways, ports and harbours, universities, health clinics, telecommunications, factories and industries, warm (or cool) comfortable homes, shopping centres, a reliable abundant food supply, libraries, clean water, electricity and gas, airlines, the mining industry ... the list goes on. Welcome to my country.
After that, it's party, party and party.
Australian culture is an evolution of Aboriginal culture. The date as it is, is important for us all, but maybe in different ways. We with heritage need to stop playing the victim card and celebrate Australia. The 26th of Jan is the inflection point, its the motivation for us all to get a better grasp of our history.
The change the date debate is taking too much energy from other things people could do preserve or develop what’s left in the culture. points from 11:06 is a great point. I know it’s a day of mourning but I see it now as a day of resilience as it was actually almost extinct. So when I say “don’t change it” It isn’t with any disrespect to get over it.
doesn't matter what you do or say, people love to hate, and the reason isn't that hard to find.
The two that don’t seem to think Australia is worth celebrating ironically wouldn’t ‘thrive’ like they are here anywhere else on the planet
Those two ppl didn't say "Australia isn't worth celebrating " they say the DATE into worth celebrating 🤔
@NnEnkaa_You obviously didn't listen too carefully because that's exactly what they said.
Australia day for all Australians
Anthony Dillan the MVP
Never have I or my family celebrated any of the past horrors of the murders of indigenous people nor do I celebrate the whites that were speared no matter that you were here before whites innocent harmless people were murdered on both sides it cant be justified it was a different time in history convicts mostly were not guilty of killing so why do we all have to bare responsibility when it was the Governor who was largely responsible and the soldiers he ordered to kill and a handful of free settlers and convicts we know the truth but we cant change history and its not about denying history its only to remember we all survived through hardship and fighting in Wars together with the indigenous soldiers
Indigenous soliders weren't even acknowledged upon their return from wars.
Also, it was more than a handful of free settlers killing our ancestors not upon any green light from any governor either. It was firmly stated to the soliders & convicts to NOT harm original owners of this land in which they ignored.
Aboriginal people only killed in desperation for food sources , sacred & tribal lands & retaliation for rape & murder of their tribesmen/ woman.
I don't think you truly "know" the TRUTH at all.
Some ppl are victims of their own decisions, others are victims because they were victimised. Big difference when you talk about remembering the killings of both black & whites in those times.
Well, that was a good representation of everything I want to see in my country. People respectfully voicing their opinions in a group discussion. As it should be in any civilised society. Sadly I cannot say the same about some of the very inflammatory and intolerant musings in the comments.
For what it’s worth I am for change the date, re-name 26th Jan invasion day and teach kids the truth. I want a day where all Australians, the First Nations people, the white folk and the newer immigrant Australians can celebrate together what is good in my country. There is still a lot of work to do, but if this civilised debate taught me anything it is that there IS stuff to celebrate. As a white person I feel uncomfortable celebrating my country on a day I know causes a lot of pain to many First Nations people. I want a more inclusive date. While we’re at it, could we change the flag too please, we don’t need that Union Jack anymore.
Aboriginals deserve freedom and rights to defend themselves from foreign aggressors in their land.....free aboriginals...
I think this is fairly easily sorted out as a utilitarian problem.
The date is changed, what likely happens?
There is less distress around the celebration on a date marked by the start of colonisation. There will likely be some backlash and distress from people who are attached to the date from their upbringing. This will likely reduce over the course of a few years and even reduce below baseline if more people celebrate as a whole. Australia day can be freely celebrated by most who have anything to be thankful for.
Keep the date as 26. What happens? It becomes increasingly socially unacceptable to celebrate this country as more people come across the historical significance of Jan 26. We don't have a unifying day. People who want to celebrate and be thankful for what is good about this country will resent that they are being leered at if the do celebrate and feel sad if they choose not to. People who were dispossessed will resent those who celebrate dispite the historical significance.
In regular terms. Changing the date will be tough on Australians but not changing it will be tougher.
Should be left alone, people need to get over this invasion business and not use it as an opportunity to make claims of compensation, pure opportunistic.
Basically they don't to celebrate Australia day at all.
On the contrary, 80% of Australians want to keep January 26 and Aboriginals like Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine, and Prof. Anthony Dillon are leading the charge, so your proposition can confidently be put aside. Furthermore, giving bullies what they want never works; they simply demand more. Also, consider that it is vacillating guilt-ridden white people like yourself, backing down, that these bullies rely on. Finally, have some back bone. If you feel guilty give your house to an Aboriginal (good luck finding one without European genes), and catch the first flight out. happy January 26!
On the contrary, 80% of Australians want to keep January 26 and Aboriginals like Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine, and Prof. Anthony Dillon are leading the charge, so your proposition can confidently be put aside. Furthermore, giving bullies what they want never works; they simply demand more. Also, consider that it is vacillating guilt-ridden white people like yourself, backing down, that these bullies rely on. Finally, have some back bone. If you feel guilty give your house to an Aboriginal (good luck finding one without European genes), and catch the first flight out. Happy January 26!
On the contrary 80% of Australians want to keep January 26 and Aboriginals like Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine, and Prof. Anthony Dillon are leading the charge, so your proposition can confidently be put aside. Furthermore, giving bullies what they want never works; they simply demand more. Also, consider that it is vacillating guilt-ridden white people like yourself, backing down, that these bullies rely on. Finally, have some back bone. If you feel guilty give your house to an Aboriginal (good luck finding one without European genes), and catch the first flight out. happy January 26!
Survival Day concert is still a celebration
just change the bloody date so we can all celebrate it together
jan 26th hurts people
jan like 29th or something, no one will care
just change it
if you are so emotionally attached to it being jan 26 go get a life bcs its a day off work to celebrate our whole country together, let it be a date that doesn't hurt a whole demographic of our country
It's not about the day, it's about iundermining the concept and legitimacy of Australia.
So 2 percent of Australia arnt hurt?
No matter which date they change it too, they'll still find something to complain about. Did the apology change anything? No. It's all about the grievance industry and collecting taxpayer money for city dwelling, mostly white "aborigines".
@@wouldlovemyownname No matter what day you change it to, you can't and won't please everyone, so don't even bother trying.
I suggest that the Indigenous people of this country celebrate on Jan 26 about who you are, a proud people and the oldest continuous culture.
Hating the date will only cause division more than necessary. This country undoubtedly would be taken over by people, history shows empires were formed. Unfortunately, the Indigenous people were unable to defend and now must live with what is presented, be fortunate the white man came instead of the yellow man.
Don’t fucking tell the indigenous people how they should feel about the date.
My family still suffers the effects of the stolen generation so NO we can’t just switch it off to keep everyone else happy.
You obviously don't understand their POV. Also wdym the "yellow man"?? Are you talking about the hardworking members of the country who make up the backbone of many jobs in Australia? Sounds pretty racist to me 😋
The "yellow man" is our neighbour they were coming here for hundreds, if not thousands of years before anyone else. They didn't do a thing except trade with us.
@jayceel251 I agree, jobs are received as part of our economic relationship. All I'm saying is if China wanted to expand their empire Australia wouldn't even be called that and be under commonism, glad they didn't.
I greatly appreciate hearing the views expressed. We have very similar problems in the U.S. White entitlement goes unquestioned by Whites. When Indigenous Peoples around the world resist it and stand up for themselves, you can be sure the uninvited Colonialists, whether in Australia, Canada, the U.S., the Carribean, South America, Polynesia, and elsewhere, the sensitive and entitled Whites will be offended.
Thank you for sharing this. From San Diego, California, USA.
Are you a bot? Because this reads like someone who just goes with whatever is socially acceptable at the time. The fact that you use phrases like "white entitlement" shows that you are either racist or self hating. Believe it or not there are places worse than Australia (Russia or China much?) who carry out active discriminiation and yet you only point out problems in countries you can feel safe to point out problems in. Also most people from where I come from do not even speak to each other. A lot of the time when people go get a coffee, they just want to get a coffee but when a white person who is minding their own business get yelled at and called a coloniser, they will stick up for themselves you call white people sensitive when clearly people like you end up being more hateful and more intolerant then the people you claim are.
Mind your own business, burger boy.
@@Blayne1973 Ah, a fine reply from a YT warrior. Very deep, very thoughtful. Your mama upstairs would be proud of you.
WE ALL came from Africa.Every single one of us!
As Australians I just hope we can all celebrate one day that the quality of life in this country has significantly improved over time and acknowledge that the past if full of possitives and negatives, but overall this country has become a beautiful home for people of every race.
We also need to be realistic about the differences between rural and non-rural first nations outcomes. In the cities first nations are doing on average similar to non-indigenous Australians, but in the rural areas and specifically a lot of the land council areas we cannot expect the same statistics with so much economic growth being blocked by land council.
Im not saying that all these areas need to be turned into cities and have the traditional ways forgotten, but we cannot expect the same outcomes from areas without the economic infrastructure and facilities that help people close some of the gaps.
Different cultures and ways of life have different outcomes on all sorts of metrics.
5:27 There will always be division no matter what date you choose as you can't and never can please anyone. Even if some people do get what they want, they'll just find something else to be divisive over.
I respect the indigenous people,but this division on their part is absolutely rubbish, my parents are born overseas and for them becoming an Australian citizen was the best day for them, I have grown up with my parents telling me to be proud of being Australian, this country has given my parents so many opportunities and I believe that it also gives the indigenous people the same, they are recognised almost everywhere, my son's school always gives recognition to them...we respect the indigenous people of this land but We are all Australian in my opinion
“I respect the indigenous people BUT….” And there you have it. BUT literally excuses everything before that word. You don’t respect or UNDERSTAND what it is like to feel the effects of the stolen generation. Do some study about our history before you come in and talk about your story. This video is about the indigenous peoples feelings not immigrants. This time it is about us.
@@MummaMia5 awww keep crying and widen the division good job keep moving forward with your hate but don't be surprised when you get hate back
@@MummaMia5 Are We allowed to express scepticism that you speak for all indigenous everywhere? Truth is you dont.
@@MummaMia5 The Stolen Generation is a neo-Marxist myth. All people were subject to the same removal policies. It is just that Aboriginals had more problems. Many were so glad to have a better life, though you don't here that getting publicity. Today, they are still removing Aboriginals from situations of rape, incest, violence, and neglect.
At 1:20. narrator says "ON 26 January the first fleet landed at Sydney Cove" ...... That's wrong. They arrived at Botany Bay on 18 January, and on 24 January arrived at Sydney Cove. The Union Jack was actually raised on 20 January at Botany Bay, and again at Sydney Cove on 28 January.... Source: Arthur Phillips Journal 26 January 1901 was the day that Australian laws overtook British laws after Federation. It was celebrated as Foundation Day. Unique to the Australian laws, seperate from British laws.... Aus laws gave equal legal protection to aborigines. Where is the invasion?
"The Union Jack was first raised in Australia on 29 April 1770 by Captain Cook at Stingray Harbour (later renamed Botany Bay). Governor Phillip hoisted this flag again on 26 January 1788 at Sydney Cove, marking the first European settlement of Australia." - From the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet website.
“Why is Australia Day celebrated on 26 January?
While some believe this date commemorates the landing of the First Fleet, when convicts from England first set foot in Australia in 1788, it actually marks the day the fleet went ashore in Sydney Cove, a small bay in Sydney Harbour, about a week later. It was on this day that Captain Arthur Phillip, who also officially declared British sovereignty over half of Australia, first raised the Union Jack flag in Sydney Cove.” - From SBS News
“Australia Day, 26 January, is the anniversary of the arrival of the First Fleet of 11 convict ships from Great Britain, and the raising of the Union Jack at Sydney Cove by its commander Captain Arthur Phillip, in 1788” - taken from a now archived section of the Australia Day website, presumably archived due to public opinion shifts about the day, the website now mentions nothing about the origin of the day
What you have written is blatantly false and is not professed by any official organisation nor historian. January 26 has long been cited to be a celebration of the raising of the Union Jack and a symbolic claiming of Australia for the British Crown and was proudly proclaimed as such until public opinion shifted. You can pretend and try and reinvent history but it’s all there to see, readily available.
@@fraserbatts Refer to the journals of Phillip and his first officer. Both say flag was first raised at Sydney Cove on 28 January.
@ Would love a link to the journals as there isn't anything I can find in regard to these dates, only an overwhelming consensus that 26th of January was the day which marked the beginning of British settlement in Australia. Wikipedia also states that the flag wasn't officially planted until the 7th of February but there is no source cited for that claim. Even if it was a different day in actuality, it doesn't change the fact that January 26th celebrations began as a celebration explicitly for the settlement of Australia by the British, first in NSW and later Australia-wide. I can also find nothing significant in the legal history of Australia in regard to Jan 26 1901. Federation was the 1st of Jan, British laws were not "overtaken" by Australian laws on Jan 26 1901.
@@fraserbatts Copies of the Journals are held in NSW State Library along with 20 pages of his original journal. Re 26 January.... big clue here.... it was originally called Federation day. The day the Australian Constitution came into effect
@@Kangawallapossumbat I understand that copies of the journals are held at NSW state library, however, nothing I could find aligns with your claims. Jan 26 celebrations commemorating the beginning of settlement stem from the 1800s (Jan 26, 1838 to be exact), before federation, so it wasn't originally Federation Day. Federation Day is Jan 1st 1901, which is also the day the Australian constitution came into effect, not Jan 26
No mention of Howard era politics shaping nationhood away from including and representing Indigenous Australia, showing respect to people so they respect themselves and don’t feel inferior or less than? Restoring dignity and pride in our mob? We want to celebrate but it isn’t the date we can fully embrace.
As an immigrant who first came here in 1998, I think it should be the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who decide if we change the date, and if it should be changed, what the other date should be or if it should be kept at all.
Didn't you learn anything from the last referendum? Changing the date or not is something that affects ALL Australians, so it's something for ALL Australians to decide, not just Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders.
Its a good job that other countries dont do this.....the world would be a real mess
I see a table of people who are desperate to be victims. I see some people at that table who are clearly grown up and wanting to move on. Pretty sure there's some careers at the table who rely on division to continue. What I also think is hilarious, is none of these people would exist if everything in history didn't happen exactly how it did.
Not everyone celebrates or agrees with Christmas, Hanukkah, Eid al-Fitr, Independence Day, Durga Puja, Songkran… Australia Day should be added to the list of celebrations / holidays that some people choose to celebrate and other people that don’t.
I don't "celebrate" it & never have done anything special for it. It's just another public holiday off work for me. However, the past is the past. It's gone & it can't be changed. My ancestors were Irish convicts but I don't spend my life feeling that I'm somehow suffering because of what my ancestors went through because of their treatment by the British. I haven't had 1 cent of compensation for generational trauma or the offer of Land Rights back in my ancestral country. Our life is what we make it now, not what happened hundreds of years before we were even born. The problem was the British enforcing their empire in many places around the world to the detriment & suffering of native peoples. In my opinion the best solution would be to cast off our connection to the British Empire & become a Republic but in the last referendum the majority voted against that in some stupid loyalty to Britain & it's monarchy. Would independence from Britain solve the problem? Or would the activists then find something else to guilt trip all non-indigenous people about. If it wasn't the British then another country would've eventually colonised Australia. We are all one people of one nation & it's time to stop the hatred, anger, aggression, fighting, resentment etc & come together in peace & love. Or... continue as we are & let all that negative bullshit continue to pull us down .
Why would any self-respecting person celebrate the invasion of their own lands ?
Great discussion all round. This is what an articulate debate sounds like. Everyone will have their opinion and they deserve to be heard in a peaceful manner as demonstrated here
Have an indigenous day. Extra holiday
You change the date - you'll loose a massive social tool for education, and developing the ethos of cultural resilience.
Why doesn’t Australia Vote on it?
😂 because there's very few aboriginals so they don't want that, that want politicians to vote on it so they can pressure a few politicians and get their way like they've been doing for yonks
It should be changed. Easy to do and it will be very symbolic.
No matter what day it could be it won’t be deserving enough for the indigenous community. They’ll find something wrong. Plus to say this is invasion day is the wrong date! Cook discovered Australia way before this date so they’re protesting for the wrong date. How ridiculous is that? Arthur Phillip arrived in Sydney on this date with a full fleet of colonisers. It wasn’t Invasion!! This is our history and we should keep the date. I’m not responsible for what actions my ancestors did or didn’t do. You can’t hold people to ransom over the past. This whole situation is wrong!! The indigenous peoples are dividing our country not bringing it together!! We’re all Australian’s!! End of story!!
Bless bless bless these people, wow. Raise awareness into learning from indigenous australians. People are seriously untaught about the history - paired with a horrible stigma.
help the kids please first ???
HOW MANY TIMES HAS THE Australian Day date been changed ????
Ask the mob from NT
I am sure they agree with this video
You calling it invasion day doesn't make it so.
They should take a real history class that's not just about them and learn about real invasions and real suffering
Correct. Well said. How many empires before the British empire came along in 1770. Seriously. You could have had the Dutch in 1580. They are European. Look at South Africa with apartheid. Significantly worse. Also the Japanese in 1944.
It was the act of invasion, along with the the fact that there was no mention of the word "Australia" until decades later, that makes January 26th Invasion Day... Historical facts.
@@dresemajfarrant9136 what made it an invasion? Should we say sorry we exist? Was there no room here? Was an army sent? Did we come guns blazing? Stop lying and educate yourself on the meaning of an invasion.
@PlayingWithWilson
"Was Australia invaded in a legal sense ?
This allows us to answer the question of whether Australia was invaded in a strict legal sense.
Carlos Calvo, in his dictionary of international law of 1885, gave three overlapping definitions of invasion:
- occupation by force of the territory of others.
- irruption by an army or a large multitude of people into another land in order to seize it.
- the action of invading a country by force of arms.
As these definitions suggest, the central meaning of the word “invasion” in international law was the entry by force by one sovereign into the territory of another sovereign.
This happened on January 26 1788, when agents of the British government, including military officers and marines, entered the sovereign territory of the Gadigal people at Sydney Cove.
It happened again and again over the following century, whenever British governmental forces entered the territory of another Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people to seize that territory".
Then how about Abolish Nodic week.
This conversation is too safe
Timeless people talking about a date for eternity.
I'm from PNG and maybe the Aboriginals can learn something from PNG. PNG was under Extreme Racist Australian Rule for 70 years. During those colonial rules our people were forbidden to enter Hotels, restaurants etc... they were not allowed to wear proper clothes like White Australians, our people were forbidden to go Ela Beach in Port Moresby for swimming 🏊 etc.. only whites were allowed. The Australian colonial government did everything to prevent education for local Papua New Guineans. PNG education only started because of international pressures from other countries on Australia. The Australian colonial rule of PNG was to prevent the local people from any form of advancements. Local people could not move from one part of country to another without permission from white Australian Government, local people couldn't leave PNG for overseas unless they get permission from Australian Government.
The Australian colonial rule of PNG was extremely brutal and racist.
But for me and many
Papua New Guineans that was in the past. PNG people have no hate for Australia at all, forgive and move on. Honestly what happened in past let it go. Even though Australia treated us badly we forgive them and now PNG is like a Brother to Australia no matter what happened in the past. PNG don't even have any movement to tell Australia to answer for their Extreme Racist Rule of PNG. Forgive and move on is the message. Aboriginals should try and forgive and move on...