My Grandfather had a small dairy shorthorn herd in South Wales too! When I saw the cooler, I immediately thought, where's the top hopper? He always milked by hand and I remember my Grandmother getting excited to use her new cooler! The churns were carted up the drive by us kids, when we were there, and heaved up onto the stand. It was at the same height as the collection lorry flatbed, so the churns could be rolled on to it easily. There was always a big cream coloured bowl in the pantry where my Grandmother would skim off the cream. That went into the Sunday lunch rice pudding. Thanks Dave and Andrew, You have brought back some lovely childhood memories.
One of my earliest memories was a primary school trip to a farm at Redlynch in the late 60's. The farmer took us through the milking process and I clearly remember the amazement of touching the milk flow at the top and bottom of that cooler grid and discovering the milk had "magically " cooled before my eyes! Thanks so much for such an interesting piece of film.
All good stuff, I wasn't lucky enough to be born on a farm but my worked part time on his friends farms and at one point had my own sheep and pigs,I love nostalgia and old country ways, excellent.
Lovely. But, nostalgic as his tone is, it’s also the story of a sustainable local milk source, and the way cheese was local, too. The Brits did a bit of a job on farmers, only looking at account books. Maybe because it’s an island, the whole narrative ran through quickly, helped along by the World Wars. Near me, in California, there is a farm-to-table movement, and a great appreciation of the quality of local milk, cheese, fruit, veg, and meat. But we pay for it, eating less processed or pre-prepared food. Moo, the Jersey, typifies good farming and family life. Thanks for filming this, Dave Knowles!
Yes but maybe it was because we were younger. I am now having a very calm peaceful time making these videos with Andrew. They are great fun to make and we have so many more on our list.
Lovely talk! A suspicious lack of used tea/coffee cups littering the place, but very much enjoyed seeing the things he discussed. Sadly, progress isn't always such a good thing. What progress seems to do best is rob the heart and soul from the art of doing things with skill, time, and our own hands. More, please!
Jacks spirit lives on ! I hope Andrew makes more memories with you, it's great viewing. I saw one of those churns for sale and thought it had been adapted for spraying, but now i know better.
I remember my best mate's dairy farm and most of what was said here reminded me of the 70's on that dairy farm. They had about 60 mixed cattle, mainly Friesians. I miss those days and the milking. Times change to account for the ever increasing population. I can still taste the difference between bottled milk and that stuff in the plastic containers. Great video.
We now buy our milk from a local farm shop and it comes directly in large pressurised containers from a Dorset farm. The milk is unhomogenised so to my mind tastes better and I love the cream on top even on the semi skimmed milk. The biggest thing though is that the farmer in selling directly to the farm shop gets the price he wants for the milk and is not told how much he will charge by a supermarket. The only downside to me is the milk does not come from a Hampshire farm as there are no local farms that sell milk this way. Fingers crossed this will happen soon.
Lovely and well presented. Myself born in Hythe with my mum's family being original New Forest gypsies and from the Holmsley Thorneyhill enclosure. My great aunt who lived in Holmsley owned a considerable large amount of land around Holmsley, which was rare for anyone let alone a gypsy own land and especially that of the New Forest. Mid 1990s the area and house with orchard was sold for housing. My gran was a Pidgley and my grandad was a Cooper, both families were large in number and my mum's cousin is Danny Cooper.
Thank you for your nice comments. I would love to you sometime if you still live locally as we have on our list of programmes one about the New Forest Gypsies as Andrew grew up with some of them.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker unfortunately I do not live in Hythe, left the village when I was three and only came back during summer school holidays to see my grandparents, aunts and cousins etc. Sadly my mum passdd away a month ago today, and like most of her family have now gone. On the New Forest gypsy websites you will find many images and stories from my mum's side of the family as well as from other gypsy families who also shared the same enclosures. My grandfather would take me for many a walk within the forest, visiting many an old timer including Jack Hargreaves. Many a time we would visit the charcoal huts and burners. Both my grandparents were married a few months before the second world war. Married in Beaulieu Abbey with Lord Montague as part of guests. Both worked at the estate. My gran also was the house cleaner for T E Lawrence at Myrtle Cottage. My mum's family both the Pidgley and Cooper side can trace their ancestry back to when gypsies first came into the New Forest, back in the 1500s. Kind regards Paul Paterson Photography
@@pappap3788 That is so interesting would love to chat sometime on the phone. Sorry to hear about your mum. If you would be happy to chat please send me a private message with a number.
Glad I spent many hours turning the handle of our butter churn,it was a two handle 40 Gallon one we had 8 cows all hand milked twice a day, milk came in to the be separated in a hand turned machine,milk out top and cream out bottom into pails , happy days with my late gran and dad
I can still vividly remember when I was a kid the hill farms in South Wales all having raised milk churn stands at the gates of their entrance lanes and sometimes if you walked by before the lorry had collected, the churns would be quite warm from the fresh milk inside.
Thank you for that very interesting glimpse into the past . I still love the flavour of fresh unpasteurised milk , my uncle was a country doctor and like his neighbours had a cow for milk and a couple of horses for riding .They went to a collective pasturage during the day . All villages or dorps as we call them here in South Africa had them . Your talk brought it all back , the lowing of the cows , the smell of dust and the voices of the stable hands as they came back in the evening!
@Dave Knoles - filmmaker the small one I have is a new kilner one I brought a few years ago. I also have a vintage a large glass butter churn I brought about 30 years ago, but it costs to.much to fill it with cream. Thank you for keeping Jack's memory alive. Have just binged watched out of town, old country and further out of town. Have just ordered out of town version 2. As I had brick making and stone henge on dvd copied from a video cassette I recorded in the 90s. My copy wasn't perfect as tape had degregayed before I could copy it to dvd.
I remember when I was a child, all the valley farms in South Wales had a stand at the end of the drive entrance with milk churns ready for collection. Don't see them anymore.
To ensure raw milk is safe to drink or used cold, just warm up in a pan and hold at 70 degC for say five to ten minutes. Then put in a suitable receptacle for daily use.
I enjoyed that Dave, having grown up on a farm that used similar milking equipment. I would like to point out an error though - the engine that you showed is not a diesel engine but a petrol engine (Lister D type) and the carburettor is clearly shown. Best wishes from another Dave
Hi Dave If it had four legs I could instantly tell you what breed it is . My knowledge of engines is very limited. I remember the original being green, a Lister and a diesel . My apologies.
Yes caught that too. I used to start a diesel Lister to get the belt and shaft driven pump running to fill water tanks in the house, yard and field troughsfrom the bore hole. In winter I filled the water reservoir on top of the engine with a large kettle off the Aga to pre eat it then drain it out after wards.
Unfortunately the original engine is no longer there on the farm so I had to filed one that that I could use with the permission of the person who took the photo. That was such a search I am afraid I forgot to check if it was diesel or petrol. My apologies for getting it wrong.
Very enjoyable film, thank you very much. Andrew narrates really well. Interesting to see and hear about how things were done and how things have evolved. Good luck from Spain!! PS:Andrew looks too young to remember all of that!!😆😆.
Thank you David. Like I did with Jack I love just chatting to Andrew about his memories of the forest. He also like Jack always has something new to amaze me with.
Gosh Andrew! How well I remember all those items (except perhaps the wooden barrel). Indeed, I've actually used them all in my younger days. I was living on a farm very close to the Forest in the 50s. At Melchet Court Farm, where the cows came into a large milking shed with individual stalls. We tied them up using those same chains. Milked them individually, using the machine such as you had there. The milk was then poured into churns and rolled (You know how to do that) down to the end of the building where the cooler was. The hopper on top also had a filter which the milk ran through before running over the cooler corrugations and thence into a clean churn underneath. The best milk ever was from the bottom of that cooler, caught in a cup or measure and drunk on the spot. Years prior to that I would use one of those glass butter churns and watch my grandmother making the butter using the platters. I'm 81 now, but I can remember it as if it was yesterday.
It probably will not surprise you to know that most of those artefacts(!) would be familiar to most rural Kiwis of an older generation (I am 77). I was fostered by an aunt in my early childhood following the death of my mother, and they only milked a couple of cows for their own use, but the butter making used the same kind of churn (more like a barrel shape, but the same idea). Hard work to churn as a young child. Eventually the family moved on from hand milking to machine milking into a bucket with a vacuum seal lid. Later I moved back to live with my father, who milked 20 odd cows - cream for sale, skim milk for the pigs. The milking shed was (from memory) a 4 stand, with all sets of cups connected. If you lost the vacuum by putting a set of cups on with bad technique, there would be 3 crashes as the other sets fell off the other 3 cows. Much cursing ensued, and irritated cows. Most migrants here in those days were from Britain or Ireland, and they brought the same technology here until we developed our own based (sadly) on industrialised farming with massive herds (eg 1000 cows) and rotary cow sheds.
That's not a butter churn lad, its a time machine! And a Jersey cow for milk fat *yer butterfat, or a FrEIsian for your protEIn *yer cheese and casein. My first career out of school? a Butter-maker
My Grandfather had a small dairy shorthorn herd in South Wales too! When I saw the cooler, I immediately thought, where's the top hopper? He always milked by hand and I remember my Grandmother getting excited to use her new cooler! The churns were carted up the drive by us kids, when we were there, and heaved up onto the stand. It was at the same height as the collection lorry flatbed, so the churns could be rolled on to it easily. There was always a big cream coloured bowl in the pantry where my Grandmother would skim off the cream. That went into the Sunday lunch rice pudding. Thanks Dave and Andrew, You have brought back some lovely childhood memories.
One of my earliest memories was a primary school trip to a farm at Redlynch in the late 60's. The farmer took us through the milking process and I clearly remember the amazement of touching the milk flow at the top and bottom of that cooler grid and discovering the milk had "magically " cooled before my eyes! Thanks so much for such an interesting piece of film.
Andrew and my pleasure. We are so enjoying making them and there are many more waiting to be made.
All kids should get to visit a dairy and a sheep farm and a market garden as part of their curriculum. Lessons for life!
Another fantastic film.
Thank you Andrew.
All good stuff, I wasn't lucky enough to be born on a farm but my worked part time on his friends farms and at one point had my own sheep and pigs,I love nostalgia and old country ways, excellent.
Great film, thanks for the insight into the life of a new forest commoner.
My pleasure I am so pleased you enjoyed it.
Lovely. But, nostalgic as his tone is, it’s also the story of a sustainable local milk source, and the way cheese was local, too. The Brits did a bit of a job on farmers, only looking at account books. Maybe because it’s an island, the whole narrative ran through quickly, helped along by the World Wars. Near me, in California, there is a farm-to-table movement, and a great appreciation of the quality of local milk, cheese, fruit, veg, and meat. But we pay for it, eating less processed or pre-prepared food. Moo, the Jersey, typifies good farming and family life. Thanks for filming this, Dave Knowles!
It is really my pleasure and I love making these programmes with Andrew. We have so many more to make over the coming months so please keep watching.
Brilliant more please history at its best !!
Thank you so much. There are many more to come. We have a list as long as your arm.
... thanks for reminding me of my days farming as a young lad, A
Loved every minute of that. This is how knowledge should be passed on…..👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you. We have lots more waiting to be made so please keep watching.
Oh simpler times, I remember at about nine years old seeing a calf being born at a local dairy, better times.
Yes but maybe it was because we were younger. I am now having a very calm peaceful time making these videos with Andrew. They are great fun to make and we have so many more on our list.
Lovely talk! A suspicious lack of used tea/coffee cups littering the place, but very much enjoyed seeing the things he discussed. Sadly, progress isn't always such a good thing. What progress seems to do best is rob the heart and soul from the art of doing things with skill, time, and our own hands. More, please!
Thank you.
Jacks spirit lives on !
I hope Andrew makes more memories with you, it's great viewing.
I saw one of those churns for sale and thought it had been adapted for spraying, but now i know better.
Thank you Steve and yes we have many more planned. In fact we are shooting hopefully next week one for Christmas if the weather holds out.
I remember my best mate's dairy farm and most of what was said here reminded me of the 70's on that dairy farm. They had about 60 mixed cattle, mainly Friesians. I miss those days and the milking. Times change to account for the ever increasing population. I can still taste the difference between bottled milk and that stuff in the plastic containers. Great video.
We now buy our milk from a local farm shop and it comes directly in large pressurised containers from a Dorset farm. The milk is unhomogenised so to my mind tastes better and I love the cream on top even on the semi skimmed milk. The biggest thing though is that the farmer in selling directly to the farm shop gets the price he wants for the milk and is not told how much he will charge by a supermarket. The only downside to me is the milk does not come from a Hampshire farm as there are no local farms that sell milk this way. Fingers crossed this will happen soon.
I can remember most of this stuff, doesnt seem that long ago. My daughter still makes her butter using an identical glass jar with the paddles inside.
Great. It is so good to know that making things like butter still goes on as so many just rely on the supermarkets for everything.
Great little series Dave. Fantastic production quality as well
Thank you so much. I am having a great time making them.
Lovely and well presented.
Myself born in Hythe with my mum's family being original New Forest gypsies and from the Holmsley Thorneyhill enclosure. My great aunt who lived in Holmsley owned a considerable large amount of land around Holmsley, which was rare for anyone let alone a gypsy own land and especially that of the New Forest. Mid 1990s the area and house with orchard was sold for housing. My gran was a Pidgley and my grandad was a Cooper, both families were large in number and my mum's cousin is Danny Cooper.
Thank you for your nice comments. I would love to you sometime if you still live locally as we have on our list of programmes one about the New Forest Gypsies as Andrew grew up with some of them.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker unfortunately I do not live in Hythe, left the village when I was three and only came back during summer school holidays to see my grandparents, aunts and cousins etc. Sadly my mum passdd away a month ago today, and like most of her family have now gone. On the New Forest gypsy websites you will find many images and stories from my mum's side of the family as well as from other gypsy families who also shared the same enclosures. My grandfather would take me for many a walk within the forest, visiting many an old timer including Jack Hargreaves. Many a time we would visit the charcoal huts and burners. Both my grandparents were married a few months before the second world war. Married in Beaulieu Abbey with Lord Montague as part of guests. Both worked at the estate. My gran also was the house cleaner for T E Lawrence at Myrtle Cottage. My mum's family both the Pidgley and Cooper side can trace their ancestry back to when gypsies first came into the New Forest, back in the 1500s.
Kind regards
Paul Paterson Photography
@@pappap3788 That is so interesting would love to chat sometime on the phone. Sorry to hear about your mum. If you would be happy to chat please send me a private message with a number.
My Maternal side were Coopers too and from Gypsy stock, Copythorne and Cadnam then Netley were our homes.
Outstanding stuff Dave, Andrew is great and that barn makes a great set. Loved the wooden churn - we keep one with a single vertical paddle
Thank you Hugh. I am loving making the programmes with Andrew. It takes me back to my days of working with Jack. They were happy days.
It was lovely hearing your memories.
Thank you I just love chatting with Andrew about them.
Glad I spent many hours turning the handle of our butter churn,it was a two handle 40 Gallon one we had 8 cows all hand milked twice a day, milk came in to the be separated in a hand turned machine,milk out top and cream out bottom into pails , happy days with my late gran and dad
I can still vividly remember when I was a kid the hill farms in South Wales all having raised milk churn stands at the gates of their entrance lanes and sometimes if you walked by before the lorry had collected, the churns would be quite warm from the fresh milk inside.
Yes sometimes theses days I feel we miss out on so much having so many regulations.
Thank you for that very interesting glimpse into the past . I still love the flavour of fresh unpasteurised milk , my uncle was a country doctor and like his neighbours had a cow for milk and a couple of horses for riding .They went to a collective pasturage during the day . All villages or dorps as we call them here in South Africa had them . Your talk brought it all back , the lowing of the cows , the smell of dust and the voices of the stable hands as they came back in the evening!
I grew up in the city, but since childhood I've always enjoyed the history of appliances. Thanks for all the history and information Andrew. Ont. Can.
I am so glad you enjoyed the programme. Andrew and I have many more planned.
I was born in Fordingbridge, raised in Bransgore, Blissford and North Gorley.
Tis a plain place but in me gore.
Very handsome bull!
Beautiful old glass churn. I occasionally use my small glass churn to make butter, much creamier than shop brought butter.
And helps increase the biceps Craig.
@Dave Knoles - filmmaker the small one I have is a new kilner one I brought a few years ago. I also have a vintage a large glass butter churn I brought about 30 years ago, but it costs to.much to fill it with cream. Thank you for keeping Jack's memory alive. Have just binged watched out of town, old country and further out of town. Have just ordered out of town version 2. As I had brick making and stone henge on dvd copied from a video cassette I recorded in the 90s. My copy wasn't perfect as tape had degregayed before I could copy it to dvd.
I remember when I was a child, all the valley farms in South Wales had a stand at the end of the drive entrance with milk churns ready for collection. Don't see them anymore.
No you don’t but on the plus side farmers are staring to get what they deserve for milk by selling it loose and you fill your own bottles.
Born and bred in the new forest best place on earth
Yes Roland it is a wonderful place to live and has so many tales to tell.
To ensure raw milk is safe to drink or used cold, just warm up in a pan and hold at 70 degC for say five to ten minutes. Then put in a suitable receptacle for daily use.
I enjoyed that Dave, having grown up on a farm that used similar milking equipment. I would like to point out an error though - the engine that you showed is not a diesel engine but a petrol engine (Lister D type) and the carburettor is clearly shown.
Best wishes from another Dave
Hi Dave
If it had four legs I could instantly tell you what breed it is . My knowledge of engines is very limited. I remember the original being green, a Lister and a diesel .
My apologies.
Yes caught that too. I used to start a diesel Lister to get the belt and shaft driven pump running to fill water tanks in the house, yard and field troughsfrom the bore hole. In winter I filled the water reservoir on top of the engine with a large kettle off the Aga to pre eat it then drain it out after wards.
Unfortunately the original engine is no longer there on the farm so I had to filed one that that I could use with the permission of the person who took the photo. That was such a search I am afraid I forgot to check if it was diesel or petrol. My apologies for getting it wrong.
@@DaveKnowlesFilmmaker No dramas, even a beauty queen has a mole!
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Thank you so much Ken your words makes all the hard work making and editing the programmes worth it.
Very enjoyable film, thank you very much. Andrew narrates really well. Interesting to see and hear about how things were done and how things have evolved.
Good luck from Spain!!
PS:Andrew looks too young to remember all of that!!😆😆.
Thank you David. Like I did with Jack I love just chatting to Andrew about his memories of the forest. He also like Jack always has something new to amaze me with.
I can almost taste the butter and milk, and I bet it was fantastic…
Gosh Andrew! How well I remember all those items (except perhaps the wooden barrel). Indeed, I've actually used them all in my younger days. I was living on a farm very close to the Forest in the 50s. At Melchet Court Farm, where the cows came into a large milking shed with individual stalls. We tied them up using those same chains. Milked them individually, using the machine such as you had there. The milk was then poured into churns and rolled (You know how to do that) down to the end of the building where the cooler was. The hopper on top also had a filter which the milk ran through before running over the cooler corrugations and thence into a clean churn underneath. The best milk ever was from the bottom of that cooler, caught in a cup or measure and drunk on the spot.
Years prior to that I would use one of those glass butter churns and watch my grandmother making the butter using the platters. I'm 81 now, but I can remember it as if it was yesterday.
I am really glad you enjoyed it. I might be wrong but I think the farmers at Melchet are the Head family.
They still farm there now .
I'm a bit younger but so similar memories, born in Lyndhurst, then Cadnam, Copythorne and then Twyford.
@@andrewparrynorton9318 I believe the farmer in my day was Newman. That would have been 1955.
I milk my lovely goats & have a similar jar for crafting my goat butter
So great. Andrew was saying they are thinking maybe they would have a few goats.
I can all most taste that yummy butter
It probably will not surprise you to know that most of those artefacts(!) would be familiar to most rural Kiwis of an older generation (I am 77). I was fostered by an aunt in my early childhood following the death of my mother, and they only milked a couple of cows for their own use, but the butter making used the same kind of churn (more like a barrel shape, but the same idea). Hard work to churn as a young child. Eventually the family moved on from hand milking to machine milking into a bucket with a vacuum seal lid. Later I moved back to live with my father, who milked 20 odd cows - cream for sale, skim milk for the pigs. The milking shed was (from memory) a 4 stand, with all sets of cups connected. If you lost the vacuum by putting a set of cups on with bad technique, there would be 3 crashes as the other sets fell off the other 3 cows. Much cursing ensued, and irritated cows. Most migrants here in those days were from Britain or Ireland, and they brought the same technology here until we developed our own based (sadly) on industrialised farming with massive herds (eg 1000 cows) and rotary cow sheds.
Thank you for sharing your memories with us. Happy New Year.
The glass churn was for skimmed cream, not whole milk.
You need milk that has fat. If not it won't make enough butter. Not good quality anyway.
Jack would have given this video the nod.
I hope he would have.
Sadly progress doesn't always mean what it says...at least you knew where your milk came from back then! 😕
That's not a butter churn lad, its a time machine! And a Jersey cow for milk fat *yer butterfat, or a FrEIsian for your protEIn *yer cheese and casein. My first career out of school? a Butter-maker