One of the problems with whitelists is that it ends up being trickle-up economics most of the time. So if James Marco gets 1 mil, he's not hiring someone randomly, like Sooty the clown. He's hiring Mr. K, Chatterbox, Yuno, and other big names. And so even though it makes absolutely no sense for K or Yuno to be in a movie, that money ends up making the popular squads richer. It even happened with the teachers at My Crim Academia. You don't hire some god-tier driver nobody knows about, you hire Dundee who brings the big fun personality. Not saying whitelists shouldn't happen, just something to be aware of.
yea whitelists are just bonus's for you and your friends. Like Blau references Burn, or April, or August, or himself, or Chatterbox. People in his circle of rp friends. Not some random good roleplayer
While I don't completely disagree with your take, especially since there's a lot of talented no-number rp Andy's go get overlooked. If a person is really good at something mechanically, naturally people will want to check out their skills, however, whether they can retain those viewers with an engaging personality is a different story. I would hope that out of necessity the event runner would be conscious of the realistic input and skillset necessary to complete the event. And the people with those skill sets will have the logic to market themselves for the job, which is where people like Sooty come in. Obviously, if these people fail to provide the personality(entertainment) that the event warrants, it would be more worth to pivot to someone else even if their skills are lacking, because again, at the end of the day, it's an entertainment server made for RP. Not for leaderboards, grinding, etc.
•if he's hiring someone to perform at a concert I'd hope he opts for Sooty over Yuno, Chatterbox, or MrK ... + Sooty is already in a "movie" produced in the city with Bobby, so why wouldn't they be in a bigger production? --- the whole City is already White Listed, Big Streamers and Content Creators already get Priority Que, now there's an opportunity to let the content be something other than grinding for limited resources -- they can be walking Loot Boxes with Special Events included.
the best events in 4.0 have been the crime school and Survivor, events like this keep the rp fresh so why shouldn't we as viewers not want someone like Andi to have the resources to put on more events like survivor without having to break her back every time she has a cool idea.
But the big issue they’d get is why are they rewarding people who might log in 3 time every few weeks.. there’s a reason why most big streamers that consistently streamed got the whitelists on 3.0 is because they would be used and not just be once in a blue moon
@@smugnation2040 fairness? Andi is an admin but still out of her pocket payed for survivor.. Just because you log in a few times doesn’t mean you get the world.. for special events let the server pay it instead of giving it to you because your stream.
@SykO125 nobody's "getting the world" ... they're getting enough to play a character that makes sense ... it just makes more sense if all the resources didn't "come from the city/government" ... it's still coming from the server/admins, it's just being distributed Through RP rather than through Grinding jobs from Locals --- some things should require grinding, but if there's a chance to help RP flourish by allowing an established RolePlayer to play a one off character with resources at their disposal, why not let it happen every now and then. -- besides, players are already getting the privilege of being able to wake up whenever they want to because of their stream
I rememer when Forsen was playing his Jason ripoff character, a Dev kept reviving him everything time he went down and it was pretty cool. So stuff like that is nice.
I 1000% agree, put whitelist in the hands of creatives and watch the world come alive. The more potential points of connection between characters the better. now, do I criminals should have their own version of whitelist? Yes I do absolutely. Just tailor it specifically to them more and make it in a way were it doesn't give them inherently power over the entire city. Also like come on man, lets get a proper WuChang records up already? There's an entire subsect of musicians in the city who really thrive when they have a little something in the city to work for.
When I first started watching GTARP, that type of stuff is exactly what I thought whitelists were for and thought giving out that stuff was the main job of devs/admins. Always wondered why James Marco's movie, etc. wasn't getting enabled. But hearing that whitelists were largely just benches and money printers (or at least perceived that way) I can get people's initial hesitation. I WANT THE JAMES MARCO ST MARCO MOVIE. THE MAN IS AN ARTIST.
I pray that Chatterbox and the clowns get to actually live at the funhouse sometime soon. I know their queen has the pull to get it done. And it would just be so cool.
They'd use it for a week n then be bored of it n barely use it for RP. It's literally what happens to every whitelist n devs put a lot of work into them to basically be forgotten about shortly after finished. Think of burns island in 3.0, guy used it like one day n the devs put well over a week of time into it optimizing it. It's a waste of devs time.
@@tihseht472 Clowns are so rp heavy, funhouse ain't even theirs yet but the amount of rp they did at the place, 4.0 alone is immeasurable. Imagine how many rps they can come up with if they can fully utilize the building. But in general, yes, house rp is not consistent, even on other groups but when the roommates gather, they make enjoyable content.
@@yourdaniiiii yeah I agree, the clowns are great and if anybody deserves dev work special to them, they are one of those groups but my point is everything gets old n boring n generally whitelists is very fast burn for the amount of dev work put into them. It unfortunate but true.
@@tihseht472 That depends to the rpers. For instance, in 3.0 CB got the most out of the initial Clean Manor update after they purchase it for millions (+irl money by choice). The rp around it lasted for months and pops off again whenever there are bits and pieces added by dark0 (dev). What more if the clowns can actually decorate the funhouse themselves to add spice and sprinkles of glitter for rp purposes every now and then. Would be fun! :)
@@yourdaniiiii you just made my point, "when things are added through updates". Cerberus needed like a new whitelist a week to keep Buddha, dw, and especially nidas interested. Darko time is better spent working for the server as whole, not to mention the server assets (server memory). And fine have the clowns have a generic house in place of grandmas, it legit will be cool for a week maybe two. I don't think ppl are understanding what I'm saying as the clowns are great. 4.0 has way to much other work that needs to be done is the point, if it can be done by 1 dev in a few hours then sure do it, if not, not worth it.
i dont know if this is hot take or not but people giving the reason that because of the financial crash they have zero money and are now grinding g6 is failed rp. i think they should have had characters like lang be more well off but not giga rich compared to other characters or have X start with thousands if not millions in dept or characters like dundee or chatterbox be on a wanted list with bounties on their heads. this can be a pseudo whitelist characters to kick off situations with and also have a bit of continuation with the story not just everyone going back to zero. i dont know maybe its a stupid idea
Bruh Buddha hated being rich and the best part of 4.0 was him starting as just a sani worker which is very low-key. Which is cool because now people don't have any idea who's in the group unless they meta cause everyone wanted to be low-key cause of him.
I think that's wat they were kinda leaning towards in terms of business proposals? Which would've been a good idea. Each group puts forward a business proposal. I think maybe they were waiting for solid groups to form.
It makes sense it builds more realistic city lore. Chatterbox family has owned the fun house for generations. August fooze own a city building for his company. The mayor own a big ass ship. It would open possibilities for better rp
Server I’m on to get “whitelist” shops, weapons, etc etc are well known to community and they must apply at a council meeting. Many servers have different ways for wl and with very little scuff on the building, weapon, etc. also server I on has 3 different groups attached to that WL. 3 grps compete etc etc. and can get lost by cops etc etc. Blau just host own fivem to fit your needs ez.
I feel like there are some jobs currently in existence that bigger streamers could do to create RP. I mean i don’t want to see them grinding weed (weed sales are horrible and should not even be on the server as they are). I think people could do so much more with let’s say news reporting which doesn’t have to be grindy and creates interactions between characters. Imagine someone broadcasting a live interview with Mr K from prison where he complains about the crooked mayor and police violating his rights and organizes a protest at city hall that potentially turns violent. There a million things people could do with what is in place now. I think part of the problem is that if a big streamer only wakes up once a week or every other week it might be difficult for them to create great RP because they just miss out on so many things that happen with the people who actually spend 50 hours a week on their character. I love watching Ramasquamy but when he wakes up he is so behind on what is going because things are developing so much while squeex is offline. The bigger streamers just do jot realize the opportunities they have. That being said Blau makes many great points here. And I would love to see people like April Foose be able to have the resources to create her own arcs even if they only last for a day here and there. The arcs may not be as meaningful as opposed to what is going between say max and dundee or max and mr. k. because those relationships are so layered, but they would still be fun to see.
Whitelists in 3.0 were fine. The people that complained about them missed the fact that players earned them from their effort in 2.0. Even now I think Kebun should have a custom Wu-Chang building since it was such a social hub for musicians in the past and it was never a money printer. Hell I would give Ramee a fight club for events. He literally had UFC in his twitch chat due to the VLC Fights. Kiva 100% deserves a place in the movie studio area for her Survivor events. There are clearly more others not counting all of Burns events. I feel people confuse whitelist with money printer.
To me the biggest issue with whitelist is every thing gets old n ppl will always want more. Oh you want a whitelist for rp it will only last a week tops n then the work devs put into said whitelist is basically not worth it. Example if devs put work into Grandma's house making it the clowns fun house, I'd bet my life on it that it be cool rp around it for a week n then the clowns would take jt for feanted n be bored of it n barely evwr drive up there to use it. It literally happens all the time, look at Cerberus, they needed a new whitelist just about wveru week otherwise they (mainly leslie, nidas) would be bored of it n not come around anymore so whats the point.
What? The clowns, up until recently were basically living there already even though it was even more annoying to get there when they didn't have cars or a place anywhere nearby. They were treating it as their home already but logistically it becomes harder and harder to rp there without storage and parking. They would definitely take advantage of the place better than they already have been.
@@stitchilalu perhaps the clowns could be a special exception but if they are already using it then why tf they want work put into it? Roleplayers often use what they want more then what they have or get, they got a specialized fun house in 3.0 n barely ever used it. CG put on more wu chang concerts when they didn't have a wu chang building because they wanted a wu chang building, the examples could go on n on like a book. The clowns are great but that's just facts. Even ramee with the gallery always wanted more n more changes of added whitelists cause gems were to boring so he needed cars, fights and so on, it's always more more more. The point is whitelist are like a temporary band aid that lasts for like a week or two before they want more band aids n they take longer to make n devs time is better spent on universal things especially with how far behind 4.0 is. They really should have stuck with their 3.5 plan cause 4.0 wasn't/isn't any where close to ready.
What CG took all this years brother ?can u tell me pls they didn't even allow K to be a copz back in the days, imagine.But i want to see what u got to say. Did they even take anything?in all these modes of the server 0.10.2 0.3 0.4?
@@thelildeadpope911 Yeah doesn't he call himself the cosmetic admin. Lol funny thing is I feel like if he were an admin now he'd be more into it than when he was an admin.
I wonder if there is like creative director or similar jobs that just hey look at people RP-ing and what make sense and allowed and fun. Let say no pixel player make points what they gonna do and what type of content they gonna do and blau would be like yeah that sounds fun if found they are abusing get their ass ban
One of the problems with whitelists is that it ends up being trickle-up economics most of the time. So if James Marco gets 1 mil, he's not hiring someone randomly, like Sooty the clown. He's hiring Mr. K, Chatterbox, Yuno, and other big names. And so even though it makes absolutely no sense for K or Yuno to be in a movie, that money ends up making the popular squads richer. It even happened with the teachers at My Crim Academia. You don't hire some god-tier driver nobody knows about, you hire Dundee who brings the big fun personality. Not saying whitelists shouldn't happen, just something to be aware of.
Dundee is god tier getaway driver how dare you lol
yea whitelists are just bonus's for you and your friends. Like Blau references Burn, or April, or August, or himself, or Chatterbox. People in his circle of rp friends. Not some random good roleplayer
While I don't completely disagree with your take, especially since there's a lot of talented no-number rp Andy's go get overlooked. If a person is really good at something mechanically, naturally people will want to check out their skills, however, whether they can retain those viewers with an engaging personality is a different story. I would hope that out of necessity the event runner would be conscious of the realistic input and skillset necessary to complete the event. And the people with those skill sets will have the logic to market themselves for the job, which is where people like Sooty come in. Obviously, if these people fail to provide the personality(entertainment) that the event warrants, it would be more worth to pivot to someone else even if their skills are lacking, because again, at the end of the day, it's an entertainment server made for RP. Not for leaderboards, grinding, etc.
•if he's hiring someone to perform at a concert I'd hope he opts for Sooty over Yuno, Chatterbox, or MrK ...
+ Sooty is already in a "movie" produced in the city with Bobby, so why wouldn't they be in a bigger production?
--- the whole City is already White Listed, Big Streamers and Content Creators already get Priority Que, now there's an opportunity to let the content be something other than grinding for limited resources -- they can be walking Loot Boxes with Special Events included.
•we're saying all this like the city doesn't already have a priority que just to wake up ...
the best events in 4.0 have been the crime school and Survivor, events like this keep the rp fresh so why shouldn't we as viewers not want someone like Andi to have the resources to put on more events like survivor without having to break her back every time she has a cool idea.
But the big issue they’d get is why are they rewarding people who might log in 3 time every few weeks.. there’s a reason why most big streamers that consistently streamed got the whitelists on 3.0 is because they would be used and not just be once in a blue moon
•whats wrong with having a "special events" character that only comes around once in a blue moon?
@@smugnation2040 fairness? Andi is an admin but still out of her pocket payed for survivor.. Just because you log in a few times doesn’t mean you get the world.. for special events let the server pay it instead of giving it to you because your stream.
@SykO125 nobody's "getting the world" ... they're getting enough to play a character that makes sense ... it just makes more sense if all the resources didn't "come from the city/government" ... it's still coming from the server/admins, it's just being distributed Through RP rather than through Grinding jobs from Locals
--- some things should require grinding, but if there's a chance to help RP flourish by allowing an established RolePlayer to play a one off character with resources at their disposal, why not let it happen every now and then.
-- besides, players are already getting the privilege of being able to wake up whenever they want to because of their stream
I rememer when Forsen was playing his Jason ripoff character, a Dev kept reviving him everything time he went down and it was pretty cool. So stuff like that is nice.
Whitelist = James Randal only ever serves 20% prison time
I 1000% agree, put whitelist in the hands of creatives and watch the world come alive. The more potential points of connection between characters the better. now, do I criminals should have their own version of whitelist? Yes I do absolutely. Just tailor it specifically to them more and make it in a way were it doesn't give them inherently power over the entire city. Also like come on man, lets get a proper WuChang records up already? There's an entire subsect of musicians in the city who really thrive when they have a little something in the city to work for.
When I first started watching GTARP, that type of stuff is exactly what I thought whitelists were for and thought giving out that stuff was the main job of devs/admins. Always wondered why James Marco's movie, etc. wasn't getting enabled. But hearing that whitelists were largely just benches and money printers (or at least perceived that way) I can get people's initial hesitation.
I WANT THE JAMES MARCO ST MARCO MOVIE. THE MAN IS AN ARTIST.
I pray that Chatterbox and the clowns get to actually live at the funhouse sometime soon. I know their queen has the pull to get it done. And it would just be so cool.
They'd use it for a week n then be bored of it n barely use it for RP. It's literally what happens to every whitelist n devs put a lot of work into them to basically be forgotten about shortly after finished.
Think of burns island in 3.0, guy used it like one day n the devs put well over a week of time into it optimizing it. It's a waste of devs time.
@@tihseht472 Clowns are so rp heavy, funhouse ain't even theirs yet but the amount of rp they did at the place, 4.0 alone is immeasurable. Imagine how many rps they can come up with if they can fully utilize the building.
But in general, yes, house rp is not consistent, even on other groups but when the roommates gather, they make enjoyable content.
@@yourdaniiiii yeah I agree, the clowns are great and if anybody deserves dev work special to them, they are one of those groups but my point is everything gets old n boring n generally whitelists is very fast burn for the amount of dev work put into them. It unfortunate but true.
@@tihseht472 That depends to the rpers. For instance, in 3.0 CB got the most out of the initial Clean Manor update after they purchase it for millions (+irl money by choice). The rp around it lasted for months and pops off again whenever there are bits and pieces added by dark0 (dev). What more if the clowns can actually decorate the funhouse themselves to add spice and sprinkles of glitter for rp purposes every now and then. Would be fun! :)
@@yourdaniiiii you just made my point, "when things are added through updates". Cerberus needed like a new whitelist a week to keep Buddha, dw, and especially nidas interested. Darko time is better spent working for the server as whole, not to mention the server assets (server memory).
And fine have the clowns have a generic house in place of grandmas, it legit will be cool for a week maybe two. I don't think ppl are understanding what I'm saying as the clowns are great. 4.0 has way to much other work that needs to be done is the point, if it can be done by 1 dev in a few hours then sure do it, if not, not worth it.
i dont know if this is hot take or not but people giving the reason that because of the financial crash they have zero money and are now grinding g6 is failed rp. i think they should have had characters like lang be more well off but not giga rich compared to other characters or have X start with thousands if not millions in dept or characters like dundee or chatterbox be on a wanted list with bounties on their heads. this can be a pseudo whitelist characters to kick off situations with and also have a bit of continuation with the story not just everyone going back to zero. i dont know maybe its a stupid idea
Bruh Buddha hated being rich and the best part of 4.0 was him starting as just a sani worker which is very low-key. Which is cool because now people don't have any idea who's in the group unless they meta cause everyone wanted to be low-key cause of him.
I think that's wat they were kinda leaning towards in terms of business proposals? Which would've been a good idea. Each group puts forward a business proposal. I think maybe they were waiting for solid groups to form.
It makes sense it builds more realistic city lore. Chatterbox family has owned the fun house for generations. August fooze own a city building for his company. The mayor own a big ass ship. It would open possibilities for better rp
It really doesn't
Server I’m on to get “whitelist” shops, weapons, etc etc are well known to community and they must apply at a council meeting. Many servers have different ways for wl and with very little scuff on the building, weapon, etc. also server I on has 3 different groups attached to that WL. 3 grps compete etc etc. and can get lost by cops etc etc. Blau just host own fivem to fit your needs ez.
I feel like there are some jobs currently in existence that bigger streamers could do to create RP. I mean i don’t want to see them grinding weed (weed sales are horrible and should not even be on the server as they are). I think people could do so much more with let’s say news reporting which doesn’t have to be grindy and creates interactions between characters. Imagine someone broadcasting a live interview with Mr K from prison where he complains about the crooked mayor and police violating his rights and organizes a protest at city hall that potentially turns violent. There a million things people could do with what is in place now. I think part of the problem is that if a big streamer only wakes up once a week or every other week it might be difficult for them to create great RP because they just miss out on so many things that happen with the people who actually spend 50 hours a week on their character. I love watching Ramasquamy but when he wakes up he is so behind on what is going because things are developing so much while squeex is offline. The bigger streamers just do jot realize the opportunities they have. That being said Blau makes many great points here. And I would love to see people like April Foose be able to have the resources to create her own arcs even if they only last for a day here and there. The arcs may not be as meaningful as opposed to what is going between say max and dundee or max and mr. k. because those relationships are so layered, but they would still be fun to see.
Whitelists in 3.0 were fine. The people that complained about them missed the fact that players earned them from their effort in 2.0. Even now I think Kebun should have a custom Wu-Chang building since it was such a social hub for musicians in the past and it was never a money printer. Hell I would give Ramee a fight club for events. He literally had UFC in his twitch chat due to the VLC Fights. Kiva 100% deserves a place in the movie studio area for her Survivor events. There are clearly more others not counting all of Burns events. I feel people confuse whitelist with money printer.
To me the biggest issue with whitelist is every thing gets old n ppl will always want more. Oh you want a whitelist for rp it will only last a week tops n then the work devs put into said whitelist is basically not worth it. Example if devs put work into Grandma's house making it the clowns fun house, I'd bet my life on it that it be cool rp around it for a week n then the clowns would take jt for feanted n be bored of it n barely evwr drive up there to use it. It literally happens all the time, look at Cerberus, they needed a new whitelist just about wveru week otherwise they (mainly leslie, nidas) would be bored of it n not come around anymore so whats the point.
What? The clowns, up until recently were basically living there already even though it was even more annoying to get there when they didn't have cars or a place anywhere nearby. They were treating it as their home already but logistically it becomes harder and harder to rp there without storage and parking. They would definitely take advantage of the place better than they already have been.
@@stitchilalu perhaps the clowns could be a special exception but if they are already using it then why tf they want work put into it? Roleplayers often use what they want more then what they have or get, they got a specialized fun house in 3.0 n barely ever used it. CG put on more wu chang concerts when they didn't have a wu chang building because they wanted a wu chang building, the examples could go on n on like a book. The clowns are great but that's just facts.
Even ramee with the gallery always wanted more n more changes of added whitelists cause gems were to boring so he needed cars, fights and so on, it's always more more more.
The point is whitelist are like a temporary band aid that lasts for like a week or two before they want more band aids n they take longer to make n devs time is better spent on universal things especially with how far behind 4.0 is. They really should have stuck with their 3.5 plan cause 4.0 wasn't/isn't any where close to ready.
I like the grind ngl 😮💨
What CG took all this years brother ?can u tell me pls they didn't even allow K to be a copz back in the days, imagine.But i want to see what u got to say. Did they even take anything?in all these modes of the server 0.10.2 0.3 0.4?
Chatty and kirk need an rv lol
Or a clown car which is small but can fit all the clowns in it.. it would be funny when 10 clowns comes out of a small car😂
@@shantanusinghchauhan7670If you time it right, many people can fit in a trunk. The clowns are good at it.
NoPixel needs to hire Blau, either that or he needs to make his own server lmao
He was an admin for little while. I feel like he ended up quitting? Probably couldn't get shit done.
But I agree
@@thelildeadpope911 Yeah doesn't he call himself the cosmetic admin. Lol funny thing is I feel like if he were an admin now he'd be more into it than when he was an admin.
I wonder if there is like creative director or similar jobs that just hey look at people RP-ing and what make sense and allowed and fun. Let say no pixel player make points what they gonna do and what type of content they gonna do and blau would be like yeah that sounds fun if found they are abusing get their ass ban
August Fuze rocks up with a lot of money, unites the Fuzes and creates the Fuze gang!!😂😂😂
Blau cooking up a W take