The Clocked Up Holy Engine Scandal of the UK Police BMW Fleet
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- Опубліковано 15 січ 2023
- Engines with holes in, odometers that have been tampered and the tax payer footing the bill... It can only be Part 2 of my 'No more BMW Police Cars in the UK... thanks to N57 Engine Fires' Video!
After taking a look at the end of BMW badged police cars, I did a little bit more digging... and what I found is quite shocking.
Join me as I explain why these BMWs are failing, talk you through some of the comments on my previous video and take a look at what is happening to the Police BMWs once they're off the fleet. It's a pretty entertaining journey as we look at a catalogue of errors, own goals and well... fraud.
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Part 2 - Holy Engines and Clocked Cars
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BMW Halts the Sale of All Police Cars
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A lovely example of actual journalism, shame we don't get any of this from our news sources.
They are not our news sources. It's their news sources
Great vid as usual. But running down todays cars by being no more reliable than older cars from decades ago, might give 'them' ideas as a further excuse to condemn us driving cars? In other words, don't give them more ideas to get rid if cars!
Also, why have you got an E *l ^o "n M ^u "s *k advert butting in inbetween your video?
Funny you'd say that, since examples of all sorts of (governmental) corruption are reported on, all over the "mainstream media" all the time.
@@stephengoddard3313 That advert is probably a HYIP scam. I have been reporting those.
Putting a hole in a motor with only 10,000 miles... can't believe the stupidity
Many many moons ago I heard a story... someone wanting to sell their extremely high mileage vehicle opened up the clocks to wind the mileage back and found a post it note with the words 'OH NO NOT AGAIN' written on it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I heard that apocryphal story. "It happened to a mate ... "
That was from the book Four Wheels to a Fortune.
Lol
It happens to me ! Not that I was clocking the car (an HA Viva since you asked!)
Everyone's heard that story, Urban Legend maybe?
Just thought I'd add a little story here:
Many, many years ago a work friend had the idea of 'reducing' the mileage on his Renault 5 that his dad had bought him. I had a little bckground knowledge of this, so offered to help. My mate was giving it the 'big Charlie' about how his dad was a car dealer so he was just spreading the idea that he also knew what he was doing. After we'd taken the steering wheel off and removed the instrument binacle, we were ready to change the odometer. However, I couldn't stop laughing when I saw what was written on the back in Tipex.
The phrase "Oh no not again" still makes me smile to this day!
Enjoy.
Awesome 😂
😂
heh once i was jailed for a short period of time and was tampering with a plugged hole to the lock mechanism i fished out a piece of paper rolled to a ball. opened it and it read" forget it, its not worth it." made me laugh so i just rolled it back up and put it back. 😁 and for those wondering it was for a falsely accused traffic violation that i refused to pay, hell no am i gonna pay for something i didnt do, i was pretty stressed out by work at that time so that little vacation was just what i needed to recharge.
bahahhahaaaa
Absolute BS. You never had to take the steering wheel off a 5 to take the clocks out
I bought an ex police vehicle!!
I purchased this from a garage not an auction and having no service history I contacted West Midlands Police who within 48 hours provided me with 8 pages of service history and pretty much full details of what they had done and when, including dates, mileage and parts used. I can't say for every force, but imsure the others would provide the same.
Great video by the way, it explains the huge amount of holed bmw I see at auction
@@artful1967 There would be no point arresting anyone for "something", no one needs the work because there is more than enough real work, no one wants the paperwork, and no one in their right mind wants a failed prosecution, which is exactly what they'd get if the alleged offence can't be proven in court beyond reasonable doubt.
Maybe you or those that told you that rubbish are of "dubious repute"??
@@artful1967 you know it
You only have to ask. But people don't know that.
The police cars don't get mot fact
So anti tampering laws don't apply when it comes to government vehicles or police vehicles. One law for them another for the rest of us . Thanks for highlighting this .
not the first time it's one law for them and another for us...
It´s one big corporation, what would you expect?
@@miroslavzima8856
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it!” - RIP George Carlin
Stop putting spaces before punctuation.
You have totally misinterpreted the issue
The police force: "We don't MOT because value."
Also the police force: Drill a hole in the engine.
The police don't do MOT checks because they inspect their vehicle every 2-4 weeks for maintenance, repairs and safety. Much more robust than MOT checks. It does make for massive issues on the mileage records as there's no proof. As for drilling a hole into an engine, that's just wrong. No idea why they're doing this.
As long as the hole in the block doesnt affect the pistons of the crank or any of the oil or coolant drains in the block, its an easy fix😂
@@iHelpSolveIt what is the fix for it?
@@swift2117 Assuming the hole didn't hit the combustion cylinder, and only hit one wall on the coolant jacket or oil gallery...
Tap threads into that hole, and screw a bolt into it as to plug the hole.
If the hole went through TWO walls, then that's a little more complicated...
Depending, you may be able to intentionally enlarge the hole on the outer wall, in order to plug the inner wall. Then plug that outer wall with a bigger bolt...
Again, all of this, won't work if we're talking about the combustion chamber.
@@reallifeengineer7214 thank you
I remember being shocked as a teen in a Walsall pub, after hours, that was full of police and local criminal types! Now I am getting the picture
The reason they haven’t had an MOT isn’t because they are police cars, no new car needs an MOT in the first three years, regardless of the owner 👍🏻
Police cars regardless of age DO NOT get an mot they ARE exempt . Fact . I am a mechanic and I service the police cars
@@user-ux3ek1iq3p fair enough, every days a school day
No police cars regardless of how old they are DO NOTTTTT GET MOT DO YOUR home work
They do NOTTTTTT get mot regardless of how old they are
They are mot exempt
I'm so sick of the contempt we're treated with by organisations, government and big business.
You're not alone.
And there is nothing we can do about it.
Bring down the corrupt establishment of this country. They are not supporting the hard working tax paying citizens.
@@271chrissydisobedience
Don’t f£&king vote Conservative then.
Just in case it is of any use to anyone, I bought a Focus about 5 years ago that was an ex police car and managed to track down through a google search of the registration which force owned it, I contacted their fleet department and requested a copy of the service history they held for the vehicle, they emailed it to me a couple of days later, from memory it not only contained every little bit of work it had ever had done but mileage was also recorded on it, hope that helps someone.
But the police are lying about damage, repairs, mileage and general abuse. I'd steer well clear of any ex police vehicles, especially after hearing all this. There's an ex Police Interceptors cop on UA-cam that also goes into detail about why you should NEVER buy a car from the police.
how on earth could you ever trust that data though? It's evident they're at the least looking the other way, I wouldn't expect them to be truthful in the service history and/or their own mot stuff (it's the inspection done yearly or however often it's done, in the UK, right?)
@@JohanHultin they're checked by fleet management and verified by 3rd party here, you need to enter the odometer at the servo when you fuel the car up as well, and if it doesn't fit within a range based on a few things including the odo reading at last fill up, you will either have to check and confirm it is correct, then sign the receipt, OR you will have to force an overide, again signing the receipt, so everyone knows who authorised that fuel up and what odo reading was on that car at that time.
To defeat the system and adjust the odo reading on a Police vehicle here would not only be incredibly difficult, it would require pretty near 100% co-operation from any officer likely to drive or fuel up that vehicle, and that will NEVER happen, i for one would never leave myself open to getting nailed for that.
My god this fraud needs to be dealt with! Take them all to court!
Aw yes.. take government that is part of running massive scam and most likely in on it from the get go, to court... owned by the government.. in a country full of freemasons... bloody brilliant idea. You wont get anything done via courts since massive corruption, i mean have you seen the laws constricting basic things like speech in UK?! and they own police, military and media, well as have massive surveillance apparatus, paid by you, so violence is not really option ether. We have been divided and conquered. Only massive mass offensive from the populous that they simply cannot hide would be effective and even then worlds MSM will run propaganda for them and their buddies will send their militaries as aid to suppress "the terrorists" ie the people, though there is a chance they will be taken back by it... but then again Canadians and French already tried this an mass tactic, so they probably are better prepared this point.
The court with their law? Do you think the law is designed to help the slaves?
@@oldblack15 hahaha
Fair play to you for disclosing this. Not that I’d ever buy an ex police motor mind but there are those out there that do and it would appear the ‘establishment’ is shafting the public once again.
This is an absolute disgrace!! Thank you for making us all aware of this GLARING HYPOCRISY FROM THE POLICE!!
Its still a fraught...... if not also a documentations fraud
I am just imagining here, but imagine if the guy drilling the hole also attended the auction with his friend.
Imagine how easy it would be for him to just drill a cheap part of the engine that's easy to fix so his friend could make 15k buying, fixing and selling it. Imagine him getting a kickback. It would be so easy for the mechanic to find someone within the trade and to arrange that they will drill a cheap, easy part that's easy to replace and to tell his friend which car to bid on.
In my view, that is stealing from the tax payer and corruption.
Do you think anyone would ever have connections to the motor trade and make it easy to fix these cars, perhaps taking a kickback for doing his job extra carefully? Would it technically be illegal if he did properly drill the engine and disable it, only in a cheaper way for the garage to fix? After all, he did successfully disable the engine with a drill.
Could he mask the kickback by receiving cash in hand? or a discount on a new car?
We will never know. But it's an easy way for a man to make a kickback. I'm sure some will have thought about this
When the entire UK air ambulance services depend on charities to operate,
When the "system" makes it virtually impossible to claim the tiniest benefit,
When 350,000 patients in England waited more than 12 hours to be admitted to hospital from A&E,
When every public service has been destroyed,
All while the British government pursues imperial plans by building non-functioning multi-billion air-craft carriers to send them in the, ehm *South China* Sea to "contain China", then it's not to expect anything better than the Police. They themselves have budget cuts, upon budget cuts. The problem is elsewhere, it is in the minds of those who govern this place.
@@nomayor1 Regardless of all of your very valid points, this is STILL HYPOCRISY on the Police part!! They cannot expect everyone to OBEY THE LAW when they themselves disregard it!!
If you don't know the scale of criminal activity in Polish police, you don't know the true disgrace. No gang, no criminal group is rotten as much as the police. They punch 130km/h across the town. Drunk during the night patrol, not even slowing down at the crossroads with the STOP road sign. They turned ON the emergency lights and signal on the roof. They make it this way because when a car crash happens, it is entirely the other car owner's fault.
They commit crimes like they would drink morning coffee. They are 100% above the law, even with a murder caught on camera. The entire nation has lied - they made up the event so it looked like the cop shot and killed a young man because he defended himself from a youngster's attack with scissors. The cop was only asked to retire. Killed a young guy when without no reason tried to catch him while holding the gun in hand, safety-off, round in the chamber, finger right on the trigger. The ministry made up the entire story at the moment's notice. Nobody (aside from the people demonstrating the next day) faced charges.
So that's the current Polish govs scum for you.
Thrashing cars causes less regeneration as the exhaust gets to the temp required to burn of the soot particulates . Not giving a diesel some thrash is what kills them .
@@driftwannabe1099 mate ya full o shite and thick as frozen gravy . If the dpf is hot enough it doesn't need regeneration ya muppet as the soot particulates get burned off how a dpf is supposed to work not forced using excess fuel to raise exhaust and dpf temps through obd or ecu input . Idling cars or short runs kills diesels with dpf and egr related emissions controls . Like I haven't forced regeneration on a car before , been running , racing and repairing diesels for 35 years ... Pop in my garage and look at me scalextric ... 😂🤣😂 . Bet you say that to all the kiddies with ya bag of werthers . Regeneration on scalextric 😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣
😂😂 where’s the comments gone? Tweet tweet realised he messed up? 😂
@@m311ssa3 Still there cretin . Try a dictionary if ya struggling
@@driftwannabe1099 offered who ... your thick as gravy ... you stated pop to my garage not me, I was takin the piss but ya too stoopid to realise that , I don't entertain nonces ... the great regeneration mechanic 🤣😅😂 bragging he knows how to use a scan tool 😂😅🤣
@@driftwannabe1099 Runs such a great business and a epic social life he's got time to see a troll on UA-cam.
What's your pronouns ? . Nonce ?
Was a similar mileage scam issue in Northern Ireland. Until recently cars with NI regs weren't in the system to check mot history... but now they are available you'd be amazed how many cars advertised have been clocked.
Respect to this guy for talking and not hiding. Police need to be held accountable for many things lately and this now also needs to be addressed
I do love how the world spins sometimes... Police break law: Meh, were above the law
WE break the law: Police show up at your door to arrest you
Police could get away with murder while we get sent in for so much as dropping a pencil it's ridiculous
Great story Geoff, thanks for bringing this up. I remember, as a young, 17 year old, trainee mechanic in the mid 80’s, watching my boss remove and disassemble the dash of a car and turn back the dials using the wooden end of a match stick. He knocked about 30,000 miles off the thing before putting it back into the car and putting it up for sale. ( the wooden match stick was used because, unlike a metal screwdriver or similar, it would not leave marks on the dials ).
When I said to him, “ I thought that was illegal !”, he said, “ Everybody does it, even the police ! “.
Exactly, and a lot harder back then!
@@GeoffBuysCars YOUR WRONG YOU HAVE TO CLOCK THE MILEAGE BACK BEFORE THE MOT
@@chiefweedy7763 That's what I mean, clearly.
You can't verify the mileage of any vehicle . Even guaranteed mileage sales aren't guaranteed only by the Auction houses policies , I know of loads of haircut cars gone through the block sold guaranteed mileage that have had mileage reduction or correction. Even new vehicle dealers can reset mileage on delivery miled vehicles and I've seen them do it . People all over everyday are having odometers doctored , guy near me does speedo and keys and they line up outside with the German marques for correction. Some come yearly pre MOT or service not to mention the number of lease loan private cars done inc motability vehicles . So please tell me how they know its guaranteed .
£45 and less you can reprogram the mileage on 90% of new cars .
@@LifesAbe-ach ECU might show if it’s been tampered. I’m fairly sure VCDS for VW/Audis would have a log of some sort
You said it yourself: "They don't care." The common man is taken roughly from behind by those that we SHOULD be able to trust. Well nobody saw that coming, ay! 🙄
roug and deep! balls and all
Back in the 90’s I had a friend who ran very high mileages on his cars - usually Mercs. He had them clocked regularly between Dealer services so they actually all ended up as low mileage with FSH!😵💫
The only time I've clocked a car, is when I renewed the speedometer on my 1965 Mini Cooper... I clocked it forward by 7,000 to the vehicle's true mileage, to make it match with the previous odometer reading.
I did the same once, when I repaired my crashed motorbike.
Great video and this issue needs bringing out in the open. I’m a small car dealer and the amount off EX Police Cars & Vans being sold by the Police Forces and then clocked before sale is massive. It’s so well known within the industry.
How, as buyers can we not get burnt by this?! At what level of dealer are we safe?!
@@koolerking440 to be honest it’s rife at all levels of the trade. I’ve seen main dealers selling cars that have had serious accident damage regularly that some how are not recorded on the write off registers. Same goes for clocked cars. Do you research is the best advice I can give you. There’s plenty of free Smartphone Apps these days that you can check a cars mot history on. The main advice is even if you buy a car from a main dealer before you do for the sake of around £15 do a check with one of the following companies as they also check if cars have been police cars etc and also have history of vehicles going to salvage auctions as unrecorded crash damaged vehicles that should be write offs but some how skirt around the official channels and don’t get registered as such so dodgy dealers buy and repair them and there then sold as having no major accident damage recorded.
Motor check
Car Vertical
Vcheck
There’s cheaper ones available but these are the only companies that I’ve seen so far that really do through vehicle checks. For my business I personally use Motorcheck and I’ve come across several cars that they have flagged up as having serious accident damage and/or clocking issues but yet are showing as History clear through other sources. They also actually show you photos of cars that have been through salivate auctions as well. Vcheck actually have a Facebook group that they share some of there horror stories on which can be an interesting read. Hope that helps a bit.
Where do police forces keep these vehicles prior to going to auction? Be a shame if those sites all suffered a natural disaster, like a flood, all at the same time
@@realbigtrouble there not kept anywhere. There sent direct to the Auction houses up and down the country.
Isnt their mileage logged at MOT time?
You can check the true mileage of a car by using vector CAN software and get into the variables. The odometer and the ecu info won't tie up. This should be a standard check for MOTs in garages.
Especially if you KNOW that the car is ex-police issue.
Not true using the correct software it changes the ecu clocks and keys mileage and can’t be traced. I know this because I’ve seen it done
@@tommyaffs4549 I write the software.
If you modify it. I will know.
The mileage is stored in the airbag,steering column and various other places.
Its write to only.
Additional the GPS stores total miles as well. About 50% of cars under 10 years old have GPS built in belive it or not.
If you are modding the milage and you retrieve the GPS data you can see where and when it was modified.
One I knew bought a car and when I see it I did recon it and look inside it at the speedo. The speedo was clocking 150 K miles but when I drove the car last time almost two years before he got it it was over 300 K miles. I told him but he was not willing to talk about it with me...... then I knew who did it. It was still a really nice car with all bushings new, tight and not a single sound.
@@craigkinney853 100% correct
I think it's down to 3!
1) The old bill for knowing that this is happening, and not doing anything about it.
2) The garage, for phoning someone to come and alter it.
3) Who ever came down / up to alter it.
But at the end of the day, nothing will happen, because there all in it together.
Have a great day and keep them video's coming.👍
Thanks for all the hard work that goes into your videos. It’s greatly appreciated.
I would also add, the Mercedes OM606 and BMW M57 3 litre straight 6 engines were bomb proof pre-dpf issues, capable of hundreds of thousands of miles and were all around more green if you consider manufacturing of each vehicle in its green credentials as they just last forever.
Volvo D5s were bulletproof pre DPF too, it's absurd the impact of a product (dpf) that doesn't reduce emissions, it just displaces them to the motorway or wherever they're regened.
Amen. Modern "eco friendly vehicles" are an utter hoax. My BMW was meticulously looked after and is now dead after just 80k miles. 2 garages can't even identify fix the "electrics/sensors" fault. These cars and the whole system are a fraud.
I had an OM606 E300D Estate on 255,000 miles until Mr Khan forced me to get rid of it.
Absolutely correct, that's why the moment I bought my secondhand E65 730d M57, i removed everything emissions related (swirl flaps, EGR, DPF, and coding that monitors it), and the result is better fuel economy, more power, and reliable again as they were before the world went into a frenzy over this climate change BS.
old Mercedes diesel. 300d
wear the milage as badge of honor
500k? still young
1mil? eazy. drives like new
Is stuff like this even a surprise anymore. Nearly everyone in a position of power is crooked nowadays
That's what killed off the Roman empire
its international mate. Same shit hapoens here but different story here in australia. Police make their own laws.
It begins with the UK Government. Very noticable after Thatcher and increasing thereafter.
Probably not even the people higher up - it’s not worth their while, but for the fleet manager wanting to look good at his next annual review - just small corruption with a big impact
I’ve been saying this for years the higher up they are the worse the corruption gets
167 to 57, 000 miles....Surely that would be seen in the steering components etc....unless they fit these parts new to cover up the reset of mileage.....What a sad scam on the public, and a danger to all... Great video...hope you remain safe after exposing this...
All police vehicles are subject to a yearly safety check. The police version of an mot. It’s not the police forces fault if dealers go on to clock the mileage after they’re sold on.
Jesus Christ, someone with more than half a brain.......
Sadly its fairly common in the used car market with motor traders, clocking was common 20 years ago and its still common now, its just they need to buy cars before their first MOT at 3 years old so they don't record the mileage
Its why traders are always desperate to buy high mileage cars before 3 years old...
So what about if the buyer gets the car serviced @ main dealer and it also had been serviced @ main dealers previously. Wouldn't it then be noticed?
@@rippawallet The service history gets "lost". I suppose the benefit from the decreased mileage outweighs the penalty from having no history apart from the MOT.
And MOTs are always legit, right? lol 😜
@@pompeymonkey3271 are you suggesting an MOT check of a vehicle online is not kosher?
@@stuartd9741 I did not mean to imply that there is any corruption within the MOT testers!
The MOT inspector only has the mileage on the odometer to go by. So they dutifully record it on the certificate as is required by legislation. Nothing wrong with that. But...
The average consumer trusts the diligently recorded MOT information implicitly because it can be verified on an official UK government database.
@@stuartd9741 I did not mean to imply that there is any corruption within the MOT testers!
The MOT inspector only has the mileage on the odometer to go by. So they dutifully record it on the certificate as is required by legislation. Nothing wrong with that. But...
The average consumer trusts the diligently recorded MOT information implicitly because it can be verified on an official UK government database.
You don't need to have an MOT. Just have it so the police have to enter the mileage into the MOT system before the vehicles are disposed of. It's all done electronically anyway. It could probably even be linked up to whatever system they use to track inventory.
In Poland we also have odometer reading when u get stopped by police eg. Ticket.
That's mean they don't even go anywhere. They pull data from cloud put mileage and send from vehicle. Also they have MOT done on third party station, sometimes they send unroadworthy police car and send "economy" unit.
I Bought A V’reg Volkswagen Golf GT TDi from a second hand car dealer, it had 70,000 miles on it, I contacted the local VW Dealer to see when it was last serviced & when was the timing belt was done, the replied “last year & it done 90,000 miles!” I told the main dealer who I bought it from & they wasn’t interested because the second hand dealer used to purchase a lot of parts off them! I may add that this was about 2004 and Mk4 did have the digital odometer.
Thanks once again for the interesting videos you post especially the ones of the police escort cosworth, I don’t live far from Swansea & I can’t ever remember seeing a cosworth police car here, but I’ll do my best to find out for you.
Like I said keep up the good work from sunny South Wales
So the police don’t MOT their vehicles?? Surely to enforce the law you have to be seen complying with the law! Nobody is above the law, including the police! What a scandal! Thanks for highlighting this Mr Geoff Buyscars!
I used to work in a used car dealership in Ireland and it was the same story there. My boss would buy in bulk, usually from auctions and even though cop cars never had much history, me and my colleagues could spot them a mile away. Messed up wiring looms and holes in the rear parcel shelf were a dead give away, along with the spec etc. And even though we never clocked them ourselves we had our suspicions about a number of them. Our service manager explained just how easy it was. Definitely needs to be looked into.
Been going on for years ,sadly this is what happens when police forces are allowed to maintain their fleet vehicles without having to log the history publicly,I was last in the motor trade nearly 10 years ago and it was going on then but as normal the government couldn’t care less when the consumer gets screwed out of thousands.
@Tango_sixteen Is that so, officer?
@@wowbaggertheinfinitelyprol6262 🚔 100%
@Tango_sixteen Of course there is no law of corruption for police!
@Tango_sixteen can you elaborate.
Is a higher power involved here....
@@tango_sixteen foxtrot Oscar. We know 🐂 when we see it !
a VOLVO 960 1996 driver here. Congrats to you on owning the best car ever. :o) and a brilliant video, as always.
Mileage blockers are also a thing people use, especially on higher price performance and supercars.
Back in the 1990’s I worked at a VERY LARGE GROUP of auction houses. One of the safest cars to buy was an ex-police car as even though they had well over 100,000 miles on the clock they were fully serviced! Mostly in white (the worst colour back then) and the lowest trim …. But still almost 3/4 sometimes 1/2 the price of a normal car of the same spec.
Of course this is before OBD ports and digital speedometer came into play!
I've had a very different experience with ex.Met Police vehicles. I've purchased two cars, a Land Rover Discovery (used for Royal Protection, I even found an image on Google showing the car in front of the Royal motorcade) and a BMW 530i touring traffic vehicle. I purchased them through a salvage auction, I collected both the vehicles from Winsford in Cheshire via Synetiq. The BMW had a printed service history showing that Babcock International had serviced the vehicle between the services carried out by BMW in Park Lane. The Land Rover had similar service history attached with the V5c. The miles displayed matched the service history on both vehicles. I would accept that both the cars had slight challenges, the Police had disabled the Sat-Nav on the Land Rover and even the main agent couldn't get it to work. The BMW was fairly basic and there was plenty of holes to fill and paint, but it did have the dual battery system and electric folding towbar.
Our country has gone down the pans. From the top down we are rancid with corruption.
Well done Geoff for some excellent journalism.
Sustainability in the real world. Well done Matt. Can't wait to hear about your future adventures
This is absolutely shocking, and I think you've knocked the nail on the head. If it was anyone else, the police would be looking at charging them the same old story. Don't do as I do, but do as I say 🤣
But the Police is expected to perform a couple of steps bytter than every man. Strickt regulation of this in Scandinavia. It would never pass.
I ran a car for two years without a working speedo. The Garage who MOTed the car told me that to fix it would cost a lot as it was electronic and would have to be replaced, but it did not have to work to pass an MOT. So I never bothered. I used the rev counter to calculate my speed. However to get a speeding ticket in those days you had to be followed by the police, or a policeman with a speed gun stood at the side of the road. Driving used to be fun.
He was right, you don't need a speedo (working or not) for MOT.
However, using it on the road would've been illegal - even back then.
Easier now, you can use your phone as a speedo (DigitalHUD etc)
I've only ever had one speeding ticket, and it was before speed cameras. It was back in 89, and a cop with a speed gun. I was doing 50 in a 30. I got a £30 fine and 3 points. Different today though.
Why am I not surprised!
Great production and research.
Thanks and regards from London.
This is fraud, the Police and the dealers, should be prosecuted. Not only is this fraudulent, it is also dangerous to the person unwittingly buying a vehicle in this condition.
The best way to stop this happening is actually via finance companies.
If all finance companies re-wrote their agreements to state that dealers are responsible for the entire finance cost if its discovered that the vehicle is clocked, the industry would disappear VERY quickly!
There's already consumer protection against clocked vehicles. The problem as ever is enforcement. Police seem helpless and hopeless when it comes to fraud.
Back in the day, I had a 305 as a private hire taxi. The speedo stopped working so I bought a new one from the Peugeot main dealer, recorded the old mileage and started from 1 mile. 34000 miles later, I sold the car for £300 with the paperwork showing the change of speedo and odometer readings, the new owner sold it on without the paperwork. Somewhere, there was a 270,000+ mile Peugeot 305 estate running around with 35000 miles showing, I found this out from the Peugeot dealer when they were contacted about the service history.
I have clocked a car. It was 5 decades ago and we had just rebuilt the entire drive line of the 2 year body. P.S. IT should be ILLEGAL to purposely destroy a motor. "THEY" want us to be concerned for our CO2 and yet they take functional motors costing 1000s of tonnes of CO2 to produce and then drill them...
2 points to make here, diesel in the oil leads to runaway. The engine becomes self sustaining and very hard to stop. Hence fire.
Secondly, the DPF regen for particulate/soot atomisation is around 800 degrees celsius, so I understand.
What a brilliant video. Thank you. My neighbour was a qualified motor mechanic who left his job as a mechanic and joined the police service as a constable (it was a service back then, Not a force) horrendous
what a sad world we live in and what a fascinating video.Thanks, Geoff great work.
I’m a 60 year old semi retired mechanic and started messing around with cars when I was about 12 so I’ve been repairing cars for a very long time. Auctions have always been a place to get ripped off if you don’t know what to look out for and what checks to do before bidding on a vehicle. Back in the day you had very little or no come back against the auction house so you paid your money and took a chance. I’ve seen so many dangerous auction cars that have been completely bodged or even stolen and given a new identity and put back on the road. Thankfully you have got a lot more protection nowadays but there will always be a minority of dodgy dealers or traders that will do anything to make money and not worry about the consequences of the poor person that buys the car. This latest scam or scandal needs to be stopped and investigated and needs lots of press and media attention to make the public aware. As you rightly said clocking cars has been going on for decades but do you realise it’s not just the police that are doing this there are lots of lease companies and large businesses that keep cars under 3 years so they don’t need an mot that get put through an auction and sold on to anyone that has the money. These cars can easily be clocked before going for there first mot and sold on as low mileage cars the same way as you discovered on the police cars you looked at.
In the early 2000's I use to MOT cars for Kent police.
When cars were decommissioned by law they had to be sold with Mots.
At the time I was testing Volvo traffic cars that were 2 years old with over 250,000 miles on the clock...
But since then maybe the rules have changed!!
I think back then, many of the cars Speedos were digital.
A very interesting video!
I did a series of videos about police speed cameras and a lack of correct speed limit signs. Within a month I had a speed trap outside my house, a visit from a fairly senior police officer who made verbal accusations that I had filmed in court. I still have the notebooks from the court room. They also ran a prosecuting where the signs were changed after the speed camera was used but before the court dates. They conveniently lost on another technicality before we got to the signage.
I still have those videos on UA-cam but they are currently marked as private.
Police are vile and odious crooks and criminals
Thanks for your service. There's a speed trap on my way to work. There's a big dip, then the sign to go from 60 to 30 and then regular speed trap vans higher up the hill. Funnily enough they moved the sign from somewhere up the hill to all the way at the bottom.
@@SoulTouchMusic93 there's a similar setup in a village near kings lynn which catches out a lot of people unfamiliar with the road , 60 mph down the hill then a left hand bend. As you come out of the bend the speed limit changes to 30 but because of the hedge along the nearside you can't see the sign until you're about 50 yards away from it meaning you have to brake like hell in order to slow to 30 before you reach the sign which can be incredibly dangerous if the road is wet. Conveniently there is small lay by right next to the 30 sign where plod often sit with their little tripod mounted camera, usually when the A47 is closed due to an accident and the police have diverted the traffic through that village. Slimy bastards!
@@drundub73 The interesting part is that the councils., courts and police are in partnership. Camera partnerships, working in consort. Yet the signs aren’t maintained, the police sign off a certificate to say the signs were correct, without visiting the sites to inspect. The courts believe these certificates. You might think if a speed limit warrants a camera enforcement, they might maintain the signs. It’s misconduct or malfalise in public office to prosecute someone where there was no lawful sign to obey and to certify the sign was correct. If a person drives someone to a bank robbery , they are acting in concert, just as guilty as the man in the bank.
Judges, councils and police are all as guilty as each other as they are a camera partnership.
@@TNT-projects interesting. There's a village on the outskirts of norwich, taverham, which had a 40 mph speed limit for years, a few years ago it was changed to a 30 and a speed camera was installed but the only sign is, and has always been, obscured by trees, so much so that I would challenge anyone unfamiliar with that road to drive along it at night and tell me where the sign is. Of course any GPs device manufactured before the limit was lowered still shows it as a 40 and I know more people that have been nicked there than anywhere else in the country. If this was anything other than entrapment they would remove the branches of the tree that are hiding the sign?
Great content Geoff. This issue really needs more attention
Years ago my sister bought a tidy ex health service Peugeot,sadly it was written off by being rear ended by a lorry all inside were ok .When she went to make the insurance claim they found out it had been clocked by 80,000 miles so she never got the right payout for it despite sending the insurance the sales documents.
Insurance companies are the dodgiest when it comes to payment.
They accepted the vehicle as declared and charged the premiums as based thereon.
But now they say "false...we won't pay"?
A friend of mine, sometime in the 1980s had to go to court for advertising cars with altered mileage.
I advised him to go to court, boots blacked, collar & tye and present himself with respect and humility.
When asked 'Why did you do it', your response should be...'Oh, Your Honour, if only I could turn the clock back'. 😂
You used to be able to tell an ex plod car by the zip fasteners in the headliner and holes in the roof with bungs in them from radio antennas, also miles of wiring hanging around, the big Volvos also had an 'evidential second calibrated speedo' in the dash, but there again they were T5 turbos that were just bullet proof (and still are) and my favorite car in the day.
@WEST AUDIT REPORT mmmmmm doughnuts
@West Audit Report fish n chips bought in Barmouth after pursuit driving tuition
instructor "anyone fancy fish n chips yes sir
ok put on the siren and lets get there before closing
Nothing surprises me about the British police any more. Corruption and criminality is rife. And the higher up the chain of command we look, the worse it gets. Great video, it deserves to go before the policing minister. I might just get the ball rolling!
Wishful thinking.
@@stevemcha7129 yeah I won't hold my breath.
But it’s not the police clocking cars, it’s either the auction houses or the retailer.
@@stuartelliott1933
yes.
But to be fair and above board.
The police should MOT the car before sale.
So the car is legit and can't dupe unsuspecting -mug- customers.
But they won't because it would devalue the potential sale(s) of the car/stock.
Now we could say the police are acting in the best interest of the tax payer to get the best price at auction....
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The fact this has been going on for eevver and is common knowledge in the industry suggests all's fair in love and war and perhaps police auction sales ......
@@stuartd9741 it is legit and it’s something to do with crown servants. They also don’t have an insurance policy for the same reason.
Probably one of the best most informative car related video's I have seen.
We rely on people like you to blow the whistle on corruption in the car trade.
There is no guarantee that the car wouldn't catch fire or fail in some spectacular way, so to avoid any claims, they drill the block.
I would suspect BMW know exactly the methods of failure and may have advised them to destroy the engine.
The DPF will not clog driving up the motorway, it will clog when left idling for an extended period.
When I worked for an OEM (test engineer) we had loads of problems due to the long idle periods and then driven fast. Mainly due to carbon build up withing the engine blocking sensors, actuators and oil galleries
After working for multiple manufacturers I can confirm they chase police business as it has been perceived as prestigious, but often in reality its often not profitable in reality due to pricing, additional testing required (braking and electrical for example). Factor in massive after sales support and discounted parts for police workshops and training them to undertake servicing AND paying them to do warranty work. In terms of discounts it will not be a like for like due to specific police specifications, however I’d hazard a guess that it’s 30% to 40%. Due to the current supply situation, plus the drop off of demand its probably a commercial decision from BMW (GB)…
Friend of mine was on restricted mileage insurance and to keep it under the prescribed milage he just used to get a guy to clock it at £50 a time.
@Tango_sixteen Im fairly sure he did the math and realised it was a way to save money, why is that pathetic? Insurance is the biggest fraud out and what keeps me out of a car despite having one accident when I was younger now I would have to be unlucky with my level of experience behind the wheel but Im priced out of it.
@Tango_sixteen Stop right there criminal scum
@Tango_sixteen Jokes aside, not all criminals and fraudsters are immoral, the system wants you to be a good little boy and behave while it shits on you from high above and expects you not to try to do better for yourself and your family. I sound bitter but im not you just get to a certain age and realise everybodies out for a buck and some of the biggest thieves and frauds out arent the common man who takes a little here and there its massive entities robbing on a mass scale legally or not and its the common man who pays for it.
@Tango_sixteen 🤣
@John Coleman Hi you shouldn't have any problems getting insurance, you do not have to tell insurance companies about any Accident that happened over 5 year's ago and some only require you to declare those over 3 year's old. The only thing that would prevent you from getting insurance at the same price as anyone else who had never had an accident is if it was your fault and you where over the drink driving limits in which case you would have to declare the conviction which would stay on your record's for 10 year's.
Hope this helps good luck 👍
This explains why I have seen so many 5 series and x5's for sale at Wilson's auction, Scotland, with between 70 and 120K and they are always listed as needing an engine.....
Geoff, you absolutely nailed it from 16.00 to 18.00. Unprovable of course (save a whistleblower actual admission). As a taxpayer I save, while some of my fellow taxpayers get caught!
I note the hypocrisy of the "suspected" turning a blind eye to clocking, while costing a bomb holing engines where there is traceability, and hence a chance of repercussions!
I test every South Yorkshire police car engines at every service. I can say they are very thorough with the level of service and service intervals. They are clearly concerned and conscientious about engine safety.
Funny how "conscientious" people can be when it's someone else paying the bill.
Said Mike, who pays his mortgage from a police contract 😂
@@Tjw1 lots of forces can use dealers to maintain vehicles. I’ve seen police cars at my local BMW dealer, in the workshop, many times.
Thank you, I was just about to buy an ex police van for a camper conversion. Naively thinking looked after and serviced a lot with reasonable high mileage (not moon and back) . Oh and the wife says thanks also ;-)
Shame they do that... I am very much a fan of the 330d in the 3 series and 5 series and also my favourite the X5,it's criminal to carry out such behaviour, there is always somebody looking for a spare block due to a failure of some neglected engines out there... Not everyone is a fan of diesels but me being a diesel fitter I absolutely love them. Thank you for the insight into what really goes on behind the scenes, excellent channel too! Up here in Merseyside there are so many 330's and X5's still patroling marked and unmarked but I have notice alot of Volvo's now too and seat leaons and ateca's, I must say they have anice fleet up here to choose from... I'd imagine a fight for the keys when starting shifts, this ulez is a load of smoke... Money for old rope... Easy isn't it to nail the motorists... Plant more trees is the way forward... The machinery building HS2 will be diesel powered I'm sure... Climate change is just the biggest excuse ever to make the hierarchy more money, sadact khan better watch himself, keep oil and remember... cash is king! 🤘😉
This happens in the taxi trade too lol I'm seeing cars on ebay all over the country that were once part of a fleet of a company I used to drive for and some of them had over 200,000 miles on the clock back then and that was over 6 years ago 😂 some of them listed with half or a 3rd of that milage.
If you drive backwards in the taxi, does it lower the mileage?
Cabs usually show very easily,, just whistle and it will come to you!!
Knackered boot struts and hinges are a good tell for an ex taxi. And an engine bay drenched in oil, of course.
@@speakupreality633 Yes, if it's a mechanical speedo, but it would be a slow purpose. If you wanted to take off 20,000 miles You would have to back up 20,000 miles. No, I don't think you could do the with an electronic speedo.
Changing the mileage isn't actually illegal, it only becomes illegal if you claim that the mileage is genuine. At one time a lot of traders used to put a sticker on the speedo stating that as they couldn't guarantee that the mileage displayed was accurate it must be considered false.
Well presented Geoff!! Exciting watching you do this with passion! Yes, I used to clock my cars(three I remember 😊) it wasn't easy, I had to use a small screw driver to turn the numbers on the face after disembling the dash - very carefully, I nearly botched one! I was young and couldn't afford much. The cars went on for ages anyway, not an excuse🙃. A relative of mine (this is the early 80's) worked for the police garage in Ealing and yes, he said he was told to clock the cars before they went out!!! It was common knowledge with all the staff and police at that time. The ex police cars that had lower mileage were first offered to the police only.
More crooked than the crooks , disgraceful ! One law for them another for those who pay their wages.
Easier, on older cars, to buy some clocks and drop them in. Nowadays, it can be just a bit of mot prep to put the originals in then swap them again a couple of hundred miles later. Not clocking, but at least it doesn't increase. So I've been told...
It might be easier to roll the odometer on modern cars but it's also easier to detect. A simple scan will check the mileage on all the modules. On older cars the only place the mileage was recorded was on the odometer.
There was a car dealer in Cardiff, a few years ago, would zero the milage of all the cars before putting them up for sale. Their logic was they cannot be accused of clocking because you cannot reasonably expect a second hand car to have zero miles, and back in the day it was quite difficult to find the true mileage. I think trading standards found a way to stop it, and of course everything is now searchable on the internet.
I wonder what the black belt barrister would make of this 🤔
no doubt he would think to give one of his meaningless non committal replies same as most of his useless vids.
I doubt he'd touch it
Knowing he's part of the legal system..
(Wouldn't be good for his reputation or career)
One guy up against every police force in the UK..
David and Goliath springs to mind....
He'd say the police are wonderful but hire a lawyer anyway. Poor souls need to eat, apparently. Remember, they are courts of law, not justice. Many piglets on the teat of that old sow.
This has been going on for a long time. I know some one who was doing this with Land Rover Discoveries 20 years ago. He used to fill the holes in the roof etc and push them on for twice the price.
I am a self employed mechanic in the United States (NY) and I stopped working for dealerships and opened my own garage after seeing all the shady things that were done with trade in vehicles. I made this move to distance myself from the dishonesty of the automotive world and to let my reputation speak for itself through customer referrals. Yet the dishonesty I aimed to distance myself from comes knocking at my door now more than ever from shady used car dealers asking me to use my high end diagnostic computers to clock older cars because where I'm from the department of motor vehicles only keeps odometer records for ten years. Another loop hole is that "technically" it is legal to clock vehicles here if the engine or transmission has been replaced with one from a car with less miles.
I suppose dishonesty will follow you anywhere that a dollar can be made.
Very interesting, moral of the story- avoid ex police vehicles and always check the history before buying! Subscribed! Now where is part 1?
Seen a lot of these recently from police Scotland BUT when you do the HPI checks for mileage they have actually recorded the mileage when they took the vehicles out of service, so shows the importance of doing the HPI check regardless of mot history they still have a known past mileage but may not be the case for all the police forces disposing of vehicles.
I watched your first video and totally agreed with it. I just cannot agree on this video. You state in your examples of cars going through auction showing high mileage and once sold through a dealer, the mileage drops. Some of the comments show that some people actually have interpreted this as the police are doing the clocking.
If I sell a car to a dealer and then it is clocked, it’s not my responsibility to follow up the cars journey once I’ve sold it? Once someone suspects that a dealer is clocking cars, I would suggest going to trading standards.
As for Essex/Kent police not putting their cars through an mot prior to sale, just imagine the costs and logistics of it. They don’t need to do it, so as the Kent fleet guy said, why put them through when it makes no difference to the hammer price? In these times of cost cutting, that is another cost that the tax payer doesn’t need to pay for.
Some dealers have found a nice little loop hole, and an easy way to make money, you have highlighted this well and that is where the problem is.
As for DPF engines, the regen is all good BUT, the problems come with the ASH buildup in the converter from the REGEN Soot burn offs, this ASH usually needs to be removed and is not a cheap exercise or the motors ECU will put it into limp mode until it is cleared out.
The BMW X5 engines on Armed Response Vehicles particularly X5 models as well as the twin turbos (which drains the oil when they fail) are well known to fail due to the huge extra weight of the armouring so it is common practice to take working engines out of crashed vehicles and put the ARV's back on the road at the Police Workshops due to the 'Immediate Operational Need'
Perhaps someone could try and get in contact with the new owners of the featured cars? This deserves further investigation.
Hahaha, reminds me of a time in the early nineties when my dad bought a second hand Range Rover (In Scotland) with some interesting additional wiring looms that went nowhere and upgraded electric system.
Any way, we were driving down from North Scotland to London and stopped at services on the M6 or M40 (I can’t remember now, but it was near Birmingham) and we were approached by police in the services. Long story short, turns out dad’s RR was ex police and it used to be stationed at the very same services we had stopped at. There followed a long conversation about the RR and they had some photographs of it in its livery and fully kitted out.
The mileage was brought up, as they said the RR had been on the go pretty much 24/7/365 and they cheerfully said that because they needed accurate speed and mileage readings (for court and other reasons) that the first thing the police did was disconnect the speedo (and mileage counter) and use their own additional calibrated ones, mounted on the dash. When the vehicles were sold on, the equipment was removed and the speedo re-connected with its vastly lower mileage…
That was thirty years ago and I am sure it’s been going on longer than that.
I took well over 100,000 miles off an ex-fleet 2.5 year old F-reg Sierra before it came up for its 1st MOT. It had just over 180,000 miles on it and after 30 minutes I had it down to approx 60,000. I've done them by taking the odometer out of the cluster and popping them apart and have also used drills with cut-down speedo cables. As long as you get all the numbers in a nice neat row, nobody notices. That was many years ago though.
As for buying ex police cars, I lived in the US for almost a decade and bought an ex Highway Patrol vehicle (Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor and the VIN confirmed it was genuine police spec), it was one of the best cars I've ever owned.
Was covered in antennas, had the spottie on the A-pillar, huge dome light, certified speedo, cage in the back with the child locks permanently on and non-functioning electric windows. Lots of marks and screw holes where stuff was once affixed to it. Also the upgraded suspension & cooling, no resonators on the exhaust ,probably more. I got a personal plate for it, and chose BADBOYS lol I still have the tag in my garage here in Australia. In the state I now live in, the Highway Patrol are now using Beemers since Ford and Holden quit making real cars :(
Hiya Geoff, The old bill have stopped buying BM,s and going for Volvo xc 90s and VW Touregs. Great disection of the law for some 😃
Hi Geoff I just found your channel. Until this year I had an ex police Connect van. My comment, based on knowing that van since it left the force and my mate decomissioned it, isn't about clocking - mine had 130,000 or so Miles on and still showed that at first MOT but more because without decommissioning (or other exemptions within the law) serving police vehicles would never pass an MOT for a variety of lighting and other reasons.
Mine was made by Ford Special Vehicles for the police and had a bunch of those factory mods which made it un-MOTable.
Great channel thanks for the content b
I pay more attention to these videos than I do to mainstream media.. Keep them coming Geoff
I hope you don't pay any attention to the mainstream media. I don't have a television. And if I don't listen to the radio that day I feel great without a worry in the world. The amount of panic and fear they are trying to feed into us is shocking.
More investigative journalism here than in any 'Reach' publication
only time i watch any media on the TV is if im visiting people, internet for my tv and no Ads and refuse to watch anything pushing the Government Agenda. if i do at least you are able to comment to at least give the chance for others too see and make own mind up than i one sided view you get watching the government tv, mainstream its Scare “Divide and conquer” is a strategy used by elites (often understood as “the oppressors”) to break down the relationships and unity between subjugated (often racial) groups struggling for justice, freedom, and liberation, in order to maintain the status quo. have a look through last 5-10 and you can clearly see they are pushing the Divide us really hard, its like they have much bigger plans for us. maybe the The Great Reset | World Economic Forum, You Own Nothing but you will be happy.
Twice when I've returned my high mileage fleet cars I've removed the glove box and written the actual mileage and date in indelible marker, done the same under the seats and everywhere else I could do so
In 2008 I bought a new Vauxhall Vectra estate for £11,500 through the family and friends scheme. The list price for my model and spec was approx £22,000. The big discount was because 08 should have been the last reg before the Insignia replaced the Vectra. However lots of 58 vehicles were available because Opel continued production. Merseyside police bought 6 of the 58 reg top spec 2.8 model (de-badged) for £9,000 each, list price £28,000 approx. They were used for covert traffic duties, training and a couple as stop gap ARV's.
I knew a bloke who worked as a Service engineer and saved up 20,000 miles on his company vehicle for his big trip around Europe in the Summer holidays but his boss said he was getting a new Car and his one had to go back. It was hilarious listening to his story of how he stayed up half the night before he handed it back with a drill clocking the miles forwards 20,000 Miles...Whoever bought it definitely got a bargain because it had done way less miles than what was shown on the clock.😂🤣😂🤣
I know a company who had a 4spd gearbox replaced back in the day and one of the employees drove it assuming it was 5sp and it went into 5th. Got an extra gear for free!
Both hilarious stories.😆😆
When I had a company van 20 years ago we did the same , exaggerate your mileage in the week to give you some miles free at the weekend.
You cannot wind a mechanical speedo forward 20000 overnight , an electronic one can quickly be done with a computer
I remember someone I knew painting a 3 to look like an 8 on the odometer as the van had 130k to look like it had 80 as the odo didnt have the 1 infront. Would have really confused the next owner when it clocked round.
The police have a moral obligation to ensure that their de-fleeted cars enter the public domain with an accurate record of mileage. Surely this can be done outside of the MOT testing process and therefore avoiding the extra cost that this could incur. Isn’t there an option to declare mileage when a car changes keeper? This could be made compulsory. With clear evidence that this is resulting in fraud, how can the issue be ignored? Crazy.
They are usually purchased via Corporate lease. An external company brokers the lease, and then disposed older vehicles at the end of lease period.
Don’t get so excited.
Same as any other organisation - car lease industry means that private buyers/customers subsidise losses from Corporate lease deals.
I've got the BMW 520 2.0 M Sport 2014. Had the EGR on recall in 2020, then in April 2022 it failed again along with the EGR cooler. BMW said they'd replace the EGR valve but as the EGR cooler was not covered on the recall, I had to pay! I challenged and managed to get the cooler covered by them! Then April 2023, EGR valve and cooler on recall. Gets replaced 2 weeks ago (with full BMW inspection) and now a burning smell.. back to BMW and they advised the rocker cover gasket has a leak and the turbo has a leak.. £4000 please!! But that does cover an oil and filter change even though only serviced last month! My car is only worth about £8k with 94K miles. Got a second quote from a BMW specialist advising same work would cost £1800. Lost all faith in BMW. My previous 330D had lots of issues, water cooler, mass air flow sensor, DPF and then the turbo went along with a 'major' oil leak.
A common trick used in the days before electronic speedos and camera vans was to simply unplug the speedo cable for a while every year, a mate had a XR3i that he used every day averaging over 500 miles a week. He owned that car for about 3 years and during that time it did less than 10 thousand miles.
I worked with a guy who’s car had a digital odometer. The only thing he had to do was pull a fuse out to stop it from working. If I remember correctly, I think he even fitted a toggle switch so he could turn the odometer off when he was driving long motorway journeys. The fuse also stopped his speedo from working but he either didn’t care how fast he was going or used a gps app on his mobile phone.
@@notmenotme614 once you know your car you can rely on the rev counter to show how fast you're going, I don't know too much about digital speedos although I do know that there are companies that offer a "mileage correction service" whereby in the event that your odometer has malfunctioned and is now showing more miles than it should they can reset it to what it should be (or what you tell them it should be lol). The downside is that you can't go less than the last mot and I've heard of several cases of cars never performing the same after interfering with the mileage, whether that's to do with the ecu or the people who changed the mileage didn't do it right I've know idea?
The mileage is stored in multiple ecu's. So someone can check other ECU's within the car to find the real mileage .
If it's done properly the other ECU's will be changed also.
@@gingerjessy They almost never are.
@@timbo19751975 depends if you’ve got a uncle rollback from Bulgaria
He does the lot for £80 to £200 if stuff needs pulling out the speedos but say a new fiesta it’s obd and simple so £80
Yes inc the gearbox ecu
With decent diagnostics equipment you can check the mileage, it’s stores in the ecu and it’s has a mileage based on wheel rotation/ factory wheel size. On my car it’s pretty spot on like 10miles out
Yes you can change the milage on the odometer but you can purchase something like carly which you can plug in and check the mileage in the different control modules that can't be changed.
Bloody disgraceful!! Wouldn’t surprise me if someone’s on a back-hander here.
Good job, Geoff!
Same thing happens with 3 year old company cars, they can do 50,000 a year so rack up 150,000 in 3 years, people buy them turm miles back to 50 000 then mot and sell them,, they throw away the historic and buy a new service book and stamp and make a new service history
Having been in he trade "Full service history" is a joke. I've known dealers with a drawer full of rubber stamps. E Bay £8.95 each
My brother in law is a volo mechanic in Ireland. He was doing a repair on a car sent to him by a garage. It had something wrong they couldn't fix so they asked him for help. It was a UK import. First thing he did was update the car's software. The mileage changed. It seems that the mileage is stored in the clocks and in other systems like the abs. You can offset the clock so say subtract 100k miles but it corrected itself when he upgraded it.
Regens can also cause fires themselves. The Regens are only supposed to be run at highway operating speeds to ensure proper cooling of the exterior surfaces and surrounding parts. Any fluid leakage increases the risk of fire. A Regen that runs while in city traffic or starts and then runs while the vehicle is parked would result in heat soak and possible ignition of surrounding foliage/grass etc. I’m not sure why Regen system the BMW uses as there are 2 types. A pre injection and a post. Pre injection is when fuel is injected during the exhaust stroke allowing unburnt fuel to enter the exhaust via the exhaust valves. Post is when an injector is installed in the exhaust line at the DPF to burn fresh fuel direct injected for the Regen period. The post would reduce crank case contamination as that excess fuel is bypassing the engine completely.
Totally agree. As an Estate Agent I had a brand new Renault company car. Just over a year later, the DPF light came on ( because it was used around town stopping and starting) I then drove it as the manual advised to turn light out but the light didn't go out.
I took it back to the dealer, who said they were going to charge for a regen as I had driven it too carefully !
I then asked if they would put this in writing, which they refused but they did then do regeneration for free.
This is a scandal and should be highlighted more. Maybe GB news would cover this story ?
You drove it in a way which you seem to know was no good for modern diesel with dpf and then it went wrong? What did you expect?
@@danmoney9932 Thanks for your input but ...No I didn't know back then, so my expectation was for it to behave like a brand new car. If anyone was to blame, it was the Renault dealer who recommended the car in the first place, knowing what job I did and that it was going to be used around town, stopping and starting but like I say thanks for your input but when you know the facts........;0)