So anti tampering laws don't apply when it comes to government vehicles or police vehicles. One law for them another for the rest of us . Thanks for highlighting this .
Great vid as usual. But running down todays cars by being no more reliable than older cars from decades ago, might give 'them' ideas as a further excuse to condemn us driving cars? In other words, don't give them more ideas to get rid if cars! Also, why have you got an E *l ^o "n M ^u "s *k advert butting in inbetween your video?
Just thought I'd add a little story here: Many, many years ago a work friend had the idea of 'reducing' the mileage on his Renault 5 that his dad had bought him. I had a little bckground knowledge of this, so offered to help. My mate was giving it the 'big Charlie' about how his dad was a car dealer so he was just spreading the idea that he also knew what he was doing. After we'd taken the steering wheel off and removed the instrument binacle, we were ready to change the odometer. However, I couldn't stop laughing when I saw what was written on the back in Tipex. The phrase "Oh no not again" still makes me smile to this day! Enjoy.
heh once i was jailed for a short period of time and was tampering with a plugged hole to the lock mechanism i fished out a piece of paper rolled to a ball. opened it and it read" forget it, its not worth it." made me laugh so i just rolled it back up and put it back. 😁 and for those wondering it was for a falsely accused traffic violation that i refused to pay, hell no am i gonna pay for something i didnt do, i was pretty stressed out by work at that time so that little vacation was just what i needed to recharge.
I bought an ex police vehicle!! I purchased this from a garage not an auction and having no service history I contacted West Midlands Police who within 48 hours provided me with 8 pages of service history and pretty much full details of what they had done and when, including dates, mileage and parts used. I can't say for every force, but imsure the others would provide the same. Great video by the way, it explains the huge amount of holed bmw I see at auction
@@artful1967 There would be no point arresting anyone for "something", no one needs the work because there is more than enough real work, no one wants the paperwork, and no one in their right mind wants a failed prosecution, which is exactly what they'd get if the alleged offence can't be proven in court beyond reasonable doubt. Maybe you or those that told you that rubbish are of "dubious repute"??
Many many moons ago I heard a story... someone wanting to sell their extremely high mileage vehicle opened up the clocks to wind the mileage back and found a post it note with the words 'OH NO NOT AGAIN' written on it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The police don't do MOT checks because they inspect their vehicle every 2-4 weeks for maintenance, repairs and safety. Much more robust than MOT checks. It does make for massive issues on the mileage records as there's no proof. As for drilling a hole into an engine, that's just wrong. No idea why they're doing this.
@@swift2117 Assuming the hole didn't hit the combustion cylinder, and only hit one wall on the coolant jacket or oil gallery... Tap threads into that hole, and screw a bolt into it as to plug the hole. If the hole went through TWO walls, then that's a little more complicated... Depending, you may be able to intentionally enlarge the hole on the outer wall, in order to plug the inner wall. Then plug that outer wall with a bigger bolt... Again, all of this, won't work if we're talking about the combustion chamber.
Aw yes.. take government that is part of running massive scam and most likely in on it from the get go, to court... owned by the government.. in a country full of freemasons... bloody brilliant idea. You wont get anything done via courts since massive corruption, i mean have you seen the laws constricting basic things like speech in UK?! and they own police, military and media, well as have massive surveillance apparatus, paid by you, so violence is not really option ether. We have been divided and conquered. Only massive mass offensive from the populous that they simply cannot hide would be effective and even then worlds MSM will run propaganda for them and their buddies will send their militaries as aid to suppress "the terrorists" ie the people, though there is a chance they will be taken back by it... but then again Canadians and French already tried this an mass tactic, so they probably are better prepared this point.
Was a similar mileage scam issue in Northern Ireland. Until recently cars with NI regs weren't in the system to check mot history... but now they are available you'd be amazed how many cars advertised have been clocked.
Great story Geoff, thanks for bringing this up. I remember, as a young, 17 year old, trainee mechanic in the mid 80’s, watching my boss remove and disassemble the dash of a car and turn back the dials using the wooden end of a match stick. He knocked about 30,000 miles off the thing before putting it back into the car and putting it up for sale. ( the wooden match stick was used because, unlike a metal screwdriver or similar, it would not leave marks on the dials ). When I said to him, “ I thought that was illegal !”, he said, “ Everybody does it, even the police ! “.
You can't verify the mileage of any vehicle . Even guaranteed mileage sales aren't guaranteed only by the Auction houses policies , I know of loads of haircut cars gone through the block sold guaranteed mileage that have had mileage reduction or correction. Even new vehicle dealers can reset mileage on delivery miled vehicles and I've seen them do it . People all over everyday are having odometers doctored , guy near me does speedo and keys and they line up outside with the German marques for correction. Some come yearly pre MOT or service not to mention the number of lease loan private cars done inc motability vehicles . So please tell me how they know its guaranteed . £45 and less you can reprogram the mileage on 90% of new cars .
Thrashing cars causes less regeneration as the exhaust gets to the temp required to burn of the soot particulates . Not giving a diesel some thrash is what kills them .
@@driftwannabe1099 mate ya full o shite and thick as frozen gravy . If the dpf is hot enough it doesn't need regeneration ya muppet as the soot particulates get burned off how a dpf is supposed to work not forced using excess fuel to raise exhaust and dpf temps through obd or ecu input . Idling cars or short runs kills diesels with dpf and egr related emissions controls . Like I haven't forced regeneration on a car before , been running , racing and repairing diesels for 35 years ... Pop in my garage and look at me scalextric ... 😂🤣😂 . Bet you say that to all the kiddies with ya bag of werthers . Regeneration on scalextric 😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣
@@driftwannabe1099 offered who ... your thick as gravy ... you stated pop to my garage not me, I was takin the piss but ya too stoopid to realise that , I don't entertain nonces ... the great regeneration mechanic 🤣😅😂 bragging he knows how to use a scan tool 😂😅🤣
Just in case it is of any use to anyone, I bought a Focus about 5 years ago that was an ex police car and managed to track down through a google search of the registration which force owned it, I contacted their fleet department and requested a copy of the service history they held for the vehicle, they emailed it to me a couple of days later, from memory it not only contained every little bit of work it had ever had done but mileage was also recorded on it, hope that helps someone.
But the police are lying about damage, repairs, mileage and general abuse. I'd steer well clear of any ex police vehicles, especially after hearing all this. There's an ex Police Interceptors cop on UA-cam that also goes into detail about why you should NEVER buy a car from the police.
how on earth could you ever trust that data though? It's evident they're at the least looking the other way, I wouldn't expect them to be truthful in the service history and/or their own mot stuff (it's the inspection done yearly or however often it's done, in the UK, right?)
@@JohanHultin they're checked by fleet management and verified by 3rd party here, you need to enter the odometer at the servo when you fuel the car up as well, and if it doesn't fit within a range based on a few things including the odo reading at last fill up, you will either have to check and confirm it is correct, then sign the receipt, OR you will have to force an overide, again signing the receipt, so everyone knows who authorised that fuel up and what odo reading was on that car at that time. To defeat the system and adjust the odo reading on a Police vehicle here would not only be incredibly difficult, it would require pretty near 100% co-operation from any officer likely to drive or fuel up that vehicle, and that will NEVER happen, i for one would never leave myself open to getting nailed for that.
Absolute rubbish. Police garages are staffed and run by hard working and experienced staff, all work is recorded. They simply are not pulling the wool over people's eyes. The liability if a copper gets hurt because of a defective vehicle is huge let alone selling an ex fleet vehicle to the public and having something happen. Total sensationalism. If the service record is missing or the mileage seems off then it's happening after the Police have let the vehicles go @@JohanHultin
Back in the 90’s I had a friend who ran very high mileages on his cars - usually Mercs. He had them clocked regularly between Dealer services so they actually all ended up as low mileage with FSH!😵💫
I do love how the world spins sometimes... Police break law: Meh, were above the law WE break the law: Police show up at your door to arrest you Police could get away with murder while we get sent in for so much as dropping a pencil it's ridiculous
I am just imagining here, but imagine if the guy drilling the hole also attended the auction with his friend. Imagine how easy it would be for him to just drill a cheap part of the engine that's easy to fix so his friend could make 15k buying, fixing and selling it. Imagine him getting a kickback. It would be so easy for the mechanic to find someone within the trade and to arrange that they will drill a cheap, easy part that's easy to replace and to tell his friend which car to bid on. In my view, that is stealing from the tax payer and corruption. Do you think anyone would ever have connections to the motor trade and make it easy to fix these cars, perhaps taking a kickback for doing his job extra carefully? Would it technically be illegal if he did properly drill the engine and disable it, only in a cheaper way for the garage to fix? After all, he did successfully disable the engine with a drill. Could he mask the kickback by receiving cash in hand? or a discount on a new car? We will never know. But it's an easy way for a man to make a kickback. I'm sure some will have thought about this
When the entire UK air ambulance services depend on charities to operate, When the "system" makes it virtually impossible to claim the tiniest benefit, When 350,000 patients in England waited more than 12 hours to be admitted to hospital from A&E, When every public service has been destroyed, All while the British government pursues imperial plans by building non-functioning multi-billion air-craft carriers to send them in the, ehm *South China* Sea to "contain China", then it's not to expect anything better than the Police. They themselves have budget cuts, upon budget cuts. The problem is elsewhere, it is in the minds of those who govern this place.
@@nomayor1 Regardless of all of your very valid points, this is STILL HYPOCRISY on the Police part!! They cannot expect everyone to OBEY THE LAW when they themselves disregard it!!
If you don't know the scale of criminal activity in Polish police, you don't know the true disgrace. No gang, no criminal group is rotten as much as the police. They punch 130km/h across the town. Drunk during the night patrol, not even slowing down at the crossroads with the STOP road sign. They turned ON the emergency lights and signal on the roof. They make it this way because when a car crash happens, it is entirely the other car owner's fault. They commit crimes like they would drink morning coffee. They are 100% above the law, even with a murder caught on camera. The entire nation has lied - they made up the event so it looked like the cop shot and killed a young man because he defended himself from a youngster's attack with scissors. The cop was only asked to retire. Killed a young guy when without no reason tried to catch him while holding the gun in hand, safety-off, round in the chamber, finger right on the trigger. The ministry made up the entire story at the moment's notice. Nobody (aside from the people demonstrating the next day) faced charges. So that's the current Polish govs scum for you.
You said it yourself: "They don't care." The common man is taken roughly from behind by those that we SHOULD be able to trust. Well nobody saw that coming, ay! 🙄
Great video and this issue needs bringing out in the open. I’m a small car dealer and the amount off EX Police Cars & Vans being sold by the Police Forces and then clocked before sale is massive. It’s so well known within the industry.
@@koolerking440 to be honest it’s rife at all levels of the trade. I’ve seen main dealers selling cars that have had serious accident damage regularly that some how are not recorded on the write off registers. Same goes for clocked cars. Do you research is the best advice I can give you. There’s plenty of free Smartphone Apps these days that you can check a cars mot history on. The main advice is even if you buy a car from a main dealer before you do for the sake of around £15 do a check with one of the following companies as they also check if cars have been police cars etc and also have history of vehicles going to salvage auctions as unrecorded crash damaged vehicles that should be write offs but some how skirt around the official channels and don’t get registered as such so dodgy dealers buy and repair them and there then sold as having no major accident damage recorded. Motor check Car Vertical Vcheck There’s cheaper ones available but these are the only companies that I’ve seen so far that really do through vehicle checks. For my business I personally use Motorcheck and I’ve come across several cars that they have flagged up as having serious accident damage and/or clocking issues but yet are showing as History clear through other sources. They also actually show you photos of cars that have been through salivate auctions as well. Vcheck actually have a Facebook group that they share some of there horror stories on which can be an interesting read. Hope that helps a bit.
Where do police forces keep these vehicles prior to going to auction? Be a shame if those sites all suffered a natural disaster, like a flood, all at the same time
Fair play to you for disclosing this. Not that I’d ever buy an ex police motor mind but there are those out there that do and it would appear the ‘establishment’ is shafting the public once again.
You can check the true mileage of a car by using vector CAN software and get into the variables. The odometer and the ecu info won't tie up. This should be a standard check for MOTs in garages.
@@tommyaffs4549 I write the software. If you modify it. I will know. The mileage is stored in the airbag,steering column and various other places. Its write to only. Additional the GPS stores total miles as well. About 50% of cars under 10 years old have GPS built in belive it or not. If you are modding the milage and you retrieve the GPS data you can see where and when it was modified.
One I knew bought a car and when I see it I did recon it and look inside it at the speedo. The speedo was clocking 150 K miles but when I drove the car last time almost two years before he got it it was over 300 K miles. I told him but he was not willing to talk about it with me...... then I knew who did it. It was still a really nice car with all bushings new, tight and not a single sound.
Probably not even the people higher up - it’s not worth their while, but for the fleet manager wanting to look good at his next annual review - just small corruption with a big impact
I would also add, the Mercedes OM606 and BMW M57 3 litre straight 6 engines were bomb proof pre-dpf issues, capable of hundreds of thousands of miles and were all around more green if you consider manufacturing of each vehicle in its green credentials as they just last forever.
Volvo D5s were bulletproof pre DPF too, it's absurd the impact of a product (dpf) that doesn't reduce emissions, it just displaces them to the motorway or wherever they're regened.
Amen. Modern "eco friendly vehicles" are an utter hoax. My BMW was meticulously looked after and is now dead after just 80k miles. 2 garages can't even identify fix the "electrics/sensors" fault. These cars and the whole system are a fraud.
Absolutely correct, that's why the moment I bought my secondhand E65 730d M57, i removed everything emissions related (swirl flaps, EGR, DPF, and coding that monitors it), and the result is better fuel economy, more power, and reliable again as they were before the world went into a frenzy over this climate change BS.
I think it's down to 3! 1) The old bill for knowing that this is happening, and not doing anything about it. 2) The garage, for phoning someone to come and alter it. 3) Who ever came down / up to alter it. But at the end of the day, nothing will happen, because there all in it together. Have a great day and keep them video's coming.👍
The only time I've clocked a car, is when I renewed the speedometer on my 1965 Mini Cooper... I clocked it forward by 7,000 to the vehicle's true mileage, to make it match with the previous odometer reading.
You don't need to have an MOT. Just have it so the police have to enter the mileage into the MOT system before the vehicles are disposed of. It's all done electronically anyway. It could probably even be linked up to whatever system they use to track inventory.
In Poland we also have odometer reading when u get stopped by police eg. Ticket. That's mean they don't even go anywhere. They pull data from cloud put mileage and send from vehicle. Also they have MOT done on third party station, sometimes they send unroadworthy police car and send "economy" unit.
I used to work in a used car dealership in Ireland and it was the same story there. My boss would buy in bulk, usually from auctions and even though cop cars never had much history, me and my colleagues could spot them a mile away. Messed up wiring looms and holes in the rear parcel shelf were a dead give away, along with the spec etc. And even though we never clocked them ourselves we had our suspicions about a number of them. Our service manager explained just how easy it was. Definitely needs to be looked into.
Sadly its fairly common in the used car market with motor traders, clocking was common 20 years ago and its still common now, its just they need to buy cars before their first MOT at 3 years old so they don't record the mileage Its why traders are always desperate to buy high mileage cars before 3 years old...
@@rippawallet The service history gets "lost". I suppose the benefit from the decreased mileage outweighs the penalty from having no history apart from the MOT. And MOTs are always legit, right? lol 😜
@@stuartd9741 I did not mean to imply that there is any corruption within the MOT testers! The MOT inspector only has the mileage on the odometer to go by. So they dutifully record it on the certificate as is required by legislation. Nothing wrong with that. But... The average consumer trusts the diligently recorded MOT information implicitly because it can be verified on an official UK government database.
@@stuartd9741 I did not mean to imply that there is any corruption within the MOT testers! The MOT inspector only has the mileage on the odometer to go by. So they dutifully record it on the certificate as is required by legislation. Nothing wrong with that. But... The average consumer trusts the diligently recorded MOT information implicitly because it can be verified on an official UK government database.
167 to 57, 000 miles....Surely that would be seen in the steering components etc....unless they fit these parts new to cover up the reset of mileage.....What a sad scam on the public, and a danger to all... Great video...hope you remain safe after exposing this...
Been going on for years ,sadly this is what happens when police forces are allowed to maintain their fleet vehicles without having to log the history publicly,I was last in the motor trade nearly 10 years ago and it was going on then but as normal the government couldn’t care less when the consumer gets screwed out of thousands.
@@wowbaggertheinfinitelyprol6262 A LOT of police forces don't maintain their vehicles in house. They utilise a third party engineering firm to do it for them, given the firm's buying power (meaning getting vehicles at very near to cost price as the firm are buying in bulk). I work in one of the biggest forces in the country and our vehicles are not maintained by us, we use a third party firm to do it for us, they take vehicles off for repairs and usually take far too long. i.e two recent examples, a tyre puncture took a week, and a brake pad and disc change took 2 weeks.
I've had a very different experience with ex.Met Police vehicles. I've purchased two cars, a Land Rover Discovery (used for Royal Protection, I even found an image on Google showing the car in front of the Royal motorcade) and a BMW 530i touring traffic vehicle. I purchased them through a salvage auction, I collected both the vehicles from Winsford in Cheshire via Synetiq. The BMW had a printed service history showing that Babcock International had serviced the vehicle between the services carried out by BMW in Park Lane. The Land Rover had similar service history attached with the V5c. The miles displayed matched the service history on both vehicles. I would accept that both the cars had slight challenges, the Police had disabled the Sat-Nav on the Land Rover and even the main agent couldn't get it to work. The BMW was fairly basic and there was plenty of holes to fill and paint, but it did have the dual battery system and electric folding towbar.
This is absolutely shocking, and I think you've knocked the nail on the head. If it was anyone else, the police would be looking at charging them the same old story. Don't do as I do, but do as I say 🤣
Back in the 1990’s I worked at a VERY LARGE GROUP of auction houses. One of the safest cars to buy was an ex-police car as even though they had well over 100,000 miles on the clock they were fully serviced! Mostly in white (the worst colour back then) and the lowest trim …. But still almost 3/4 sometimes 1/2 the price of a normal car of the same spec. Of course this is before OBD ports and digital speedometer came into play!
I ran a car for two years without a working speedo. The Garage who MOTed the car told me that to fix it would cost a lot as it was electronic and would have to be replaced, but it did not have to work to pass an MOT. So I never bothered. I used the rev counter to calculate my speed. However to get a speeding ticket in those days you had to be followed by the police, or a policeman with a speed gun stood at the side of the road. Driving used to be fun.
He was right, you don't need a speedo (working or not) for MOT. However, using it on the road would've been illegal - even back then. Easier now, you can use your phone as a speedo (DigitalHUD etc)
I've only ever had one speeding ticket, and it was before speed cameras. It was back in 89, and a cop with a speed gun. I was doing 50 in a 30. I got a £30 fine and 3 points. Different today though.
Thank you, I was just about to buy an ex police van for a camper conversion. Naively thinking looked after and serviced a lot with reasonable high mileage (not moon and back) . Oh and the wife says thanks also ;-)
I Bought A V’reg Volkswagen Golf GT TDi from a second hand car dealer, it had 70,000 miles on it, I contacted the local VW Dealer to see when it was last serviced & when was the timing belt was done, the replied “last year & it done 90,000 miles!” I told the main dealer who I bought it from & they wasn’t interested because the second hand dealer used to purchase a lot of parts off them! I may add that this was about 2004 and Mk4 did have the digital odometer. Thanks once again for the interesting videos you post especially the ones of the police escort cosworth, I don’t live far from Swansea & I can’t ever remember seeing a cosworth police car here, but I’ll do my best to find out for you. Like I said keep up the good work from sunny South Wales
I’m a 60 year old semi retired mechanic and started messing around with cars when I was about 12 so I’ve been repairing cars for a very long time. Auctions have always been a place to get ripped off if you don’t know what to look out for and what checks to do before bidding on a vehicle. Back in the day you had very little or no come back against the auction house so you paid your money and took a chance. I’ve seen so many dangerous auction cars that have been completely bodged or even stolen and given a new identity and put back on the road. Thankfully you have got a lot more protection nowadays but there will always be a minority of dodgy dealers or traders that will do anything to make money and not worry about the consequences of the poor person that buys the car. This latest scam or scandal needs to be stopped and investigated and needs lots of press and media attention to make the public aware. As you rightly said clocking cars has been going on for decades but do you realise it’s not just the police that are doing this there are lots of lease companies and large businesses that keep cars under 3 years so they don’t need an mot that get put through an auction and sold on to anyone that has the money. These cars can easily be clocked before going for there first mot and sold on as low mileage cars the same way as you discovered on the police cars you looked at.
What a brilliant video. Thank you. My neighbour was a qualified motor mechanic who left his job as a mechanic and joined the police service as a constable (it was a service back then, Not a force) horrendous
Back in the day, I had a 305 as a private hire taxi. The speedo stopped working so I bought a new one from the Peugeot main dealer, recorded the old mileage and started from 1 mile. 34000 miles later, I sold the car for £300 with the paperwork showing the change of speedo and odometer readings, the new owner sold it on without the paperwork. Somewhere, there was a 270,000+ mile Peugeot 305 estate running around with 35000 miles showing, I found this out from the Peugeot dealer when they were contacted about the service history.
Hi Geoff / everyone else. I’m a year late finding this video. I used to work in my local ( Not mentioning auction house names, but I’m in Berkshire / Hampshire / Surrey borders ) car auction houses. We had many ex disability / driver training vehicles including police etc. The auction house offered collection & decommission of these vehicles, meaning many that had dual controls, extra switches, handles / winches / ramps / lights & roof boxes radio equipment etc. Some of which items ended up in the scrap bin, some ended up on car boot-sales social media marketplaces / the bay of E etc. Some of which meant regular police searches & many staff caught on possession / theft of items. Thankfully I no longer work in the auctions as I had various daily roles / positions & it was getting all alittle too close for comfort & luckily for me I always did my job to my fullest capacity, although it didn’t always give me a good rapport / reputation to the many staff members obviously doing the job for the wrong reasons.
The best way to stop this happening is actually via finance companies. If all finance companies re-wrote their agreements to state that dealers are responsible for the entire finance cost if its discovered that the vehicle is clocked, the industry would disappear VERY quickly!
There's already consumer protection against clocked vehicles. The problem as ever is enforcement. Police seem helpless and hopeless when it comes to fraud.
So the police don’t MOT their vehicles?? Surely to enforce the law you have to be seen complying with the law! Nobody is above the law, including the police! What a scandal! Thanks for highlighting this Mr Geoff Buyscars!
Shame they do that... I am very much a fan of the 330d in the 3 series and 5 series and also my favourite the X5,it's criminal to carry out such behaviour, there is always somebody looking for a spare block due to a failure of some neglected engines out there... Not everyone is a fan of diesels but me being a diesel fitter I absolutely love them. Thank you for the insight into what really goes on behind the scenes, excellent channel too! Up here in Merseyside there are so many 330's and X5's still patroling marked and unmarked but I have notice alot of Volvo's now too and seat leaons and ateca's, I must say they have anice fleet up here to choose from... I'd imagine a fight for the keys when starting shifts, this ulez is a load of smoke... Money for old rope... Easy isn't it to nail the motorists... Plant more trees is the way forward... The machinery building HS2 will be diesel powered I'm sure... Climate change is just the biggest excuse ever to make the hierarchy more money, sadact khan better watch himself, keep oil and remember... cash is king! 🤘😉
After working for multiple manufacturers I can confirm they chase police business as it has been perceived as prestigious, but often in reality its often not profitable in reality due to pricing, additional testing required (braking and electrical for example). Factor in massive after sales support and discounted parts for police workshops and training them to undertake servicing AND paying them to do warranty work. In terms of discounts it will not be a like for like due to specific police specifications, however I’d hazard a guess that it’s 30% to 40%. Due to the current supply situation, plus the drop off of demand its probably a commercial decision from BMW (GB)…
You used to be able to tell an ex plod car by the zip fasteners in the headliner and holes in the roof with bungs in them from radio antennas, also miles of wiring hanging around, the big Volvos also had an 'evidential second calibrated speedo' in the dash, but there again they were T5 turbos that were just bullet proof (and still are) and my favorite car in the day.
@West Audit Report fish n chips bought in Barmouth after pursuit driving tuition instructor "anyone fancy fish n chips yes sir ok put on the siren and lets get there before closing
Nothing surprises me about the British police any more. Corruption and criminality is rife. And the higher up the chain of command we look, the worse it gets. Great video, it deserves to go before the policing minister. I might just get the ball rolling!
@@stuartelliott1933 yes. But to be fair and above board. The police should MOT the car before sale. So the car is legit and can't dupe unsuspecting -mug- customers. But they won't because it would devalue the potential sale(s) of the car/stock. Now we could say the police are acting in the best interest of the tax payer to get the best price at auction.... .. The fact this has been going on for eevver and is common knowledge in the industry suggests all's fair in love and war and perhaps police auction sales ......
Fantastic video. There is a reason that organised crime is called organised crime. Its organised and sanctioned at the highest level so the money goes to the people it's supposed to go to and the select club gets to fleece Joe public for all he's worth. No serious crime ever gets interrupted. I wish we could follow the money trail. My advice to you is don't get carried away and dig to deep. Its good for entertainment but until the police take it seriously, the rest of us better leave it alone. You do make me smile 😃
I tend to agree. There may be legal implications if people dig deeper into this topic. Geoff has already named a police force which does concern me a little as they may want to tell their side or make a public statement.... Laughable how the law is or could be construed as breaking it's own laws...
Well presented Geoff!! Exciting watching you do this with passion! Yes, I used to clock my cars(three I remember 😊) it wasn't easy, I had to use a small screw driver to turn the numbers on the face after disembling the dash - very carefully, I nearly botched one! I was young and couldn't afford much. The cars went on for ages anyway, not an excuse🙃. A relative of mine (this is the early 80's) worked for the police garage in Ealing and yes, he said he was told to clock the cars before they went out!!! It was common knowledge with all the staff and police at that time. The ex police cars that had lower mileage were first offered to the police only.
Easier, on older cars, to buy some clocks and drop them in. Nowadays, it can be just a bit of mot prep to put the originals in then swap them again a couple of hundred miles later. Not clocking, but at least it doesn't increase. So I've been told...
Seen a lot of these recently from police Scotland BUT when you do the HPI checks for mileage they have actually recorded the mileage when they took the vehicles out of service, so shows the importance of doing the HPI check regardless of mot history they still have a known past mileage but may not be the case for all the police forces disposing of vehicles.
There was a car dealer in Cardiff, a few years ago, would zero the milage of all the cars before putting them up for sale. Their logic was they cannot be accused of clocking because you cannot reasonably expect a second hand car to have zero miles, and back in the day it was quite difficult to find the true mileage. I think trading standards found a way to stop it, and of course everything is now searchable on the internet.
I test every South Yorkshire police car engines at every service. I can say they are very thorough with the level of service and service intervals. They are clearly concerned and conscientious about engine safety.
@Tango_sixteen Im fairly sure he did the math and realised it was a way to save money, why is that pathetic? Insurance is the biggest fraud out and what keeps me out of a car despite having one accident when I was younger now I would have to be unlucky with my level of experience behind the wheel but Im priced out of it.
@Tango_sixteen Jokes aside, not all criminals and fraudsters are immoral, the system wants you to be a good little boy and behave while it shits on you from high above and expects you not to try to do better for yourself and your family. I sound bitter but im not you just get to a certain age and realise everybodies out for a buck and some of the biggest thieves and frauds out arent the common man who takes a little here and there its massive entities robbing on a mass scale legally or not and its the common man who pays for it.
@John Coleman Hi you shouldn't have any problems getting insurance, you do not have to tell insurance companies about any Accident that happened over 5 year's ago and some only require you to declare those over 3 year's old. The only thing that would prevent you from getting insurance at the same price as anyone else who had never had an accident is if it was your fault and you where over the drink driving limits in which case you would have to declare the conviction which would stay on your record's for 10 year's. Hope this helps good luck 👍
This happens in the taxi trade too lol I'm seeing cars on ebay all over the country that were once part of a fleet of a company I used to drive for and some of them had over 200,000 miles on the clock back then and that was over 6 years ago 😂 some of them listed with half or a 3rd of that milage.
@@speakupreality633 Yes, if it's a mechanical speedo, but it would be a slow purpose. If you wanted to take off 20,000 miles You would have to back up 20,000 miles. No, I don't think you could do the with an electronic speedo.
Changing the mileage isn't actually illegal, it only becomes illegal if you claim that the mileage is genuine. At one time a lot of traders used to put a sticker on the speedo stating that as they couldn't guarantee that the mileage displayed was accurate it must be considered false.
Probably one of the best most informative car related video's I have seen. We rely on people like you to blow the whistle on corruption in the car trade.
Geoff, you absolutely nailed it from 16.00 to 18.00. Unprovable of course (save a whistleblower actual admission). As a taxpayer I save, while some of my fellow taxpayers get caught! I note the hypocrisy of the "suspected" turning a blind eye to clocking, while costing a bomb holing engines where there is traceability, and hence a chance of repercussions!
Interesting video. I shall have to go watch the first one. Just a minor point, it’s not illegal to adjust the mileage of a car in the uk but it is illegal to sell a car with an adjusted mileage without full disclosure.
This has been going on for a long time. I know some one who was doing this with Land Rover Discoveries 20 years ago. He used to fill the holes in the roof etc and push them on for twice the price.
All police vehicles are subject to a yearly safety check. The police version of an mot. It’s not the police forces fault if dealers go on to clock the mileage after they’re sold on.
Twice when I've returned my high mileage fleet cars I've removed the glove box and written the actual mileage and date in indelible marker, done the same under the seats and everywhere else I could do so
A common trick used in the days before electronic speedos and camera vans was to simply unplug the speedo cable for a while every year, a mate had a XR3i that he used every day averaging over 500 miles a week. He owned that car for about 3 years and during that time it did less than 10 thousand miles.
I worked with a guy who’s car had a digital odometer. The only thing he had to do was pull a fuse out to stop it from working. If I remember correctly, I think he even fitted a toggle switch so he could turn the odometer off when he was driving long motorway journeys. The fuse also stopped his speedo from working but he either didn’t care how fast he was going or used a gps app on his mobile phone.
@@notmenotme614 once you know your car you can rely on the rev counter to show how fast you're going, I don't know too much about digital speedos although I do know that there are companies that offer a "mileage correction service" whereby in the event that your odometer has malfunctioned and is now showing more miles than it should they can reset it to what it should be (or what you tell them it should be lol). The downside is that you can't go less than the last mot and I've heard of several cases of cars never performing the same after interfering with the mileage, whether that's to do with the ecu or the people who changed the mileage didn't do it right I've know idea?
I did a series of videos about police speed cameras and a lack of correct speed limit signs. Within a month I had a speed trap outside my house, a visit from a fairly senior police officer who made verbal accusations that I had filmed in court. I still have the notebooks from the court room. They also ran a prosecuting where the signs were changed after the speed camera was used but before the court dates. They conveniently lost on another technicality before we got to the signage. I still have those videos on UA-cam but they are currently marked as private.
Thanks for your service. There's a speed trap on my way to work. There's a big dip, then the sign to go from 60 to 30 and then regular speed trap vans higher up the hill. Funnily enough they moved the sign from somewhere up the hill to all the way at the bottom.
@@SoulTouchMusic93 there's a similar setup in a village near kings lynn which catches out a lot of people unfamiliar with the road , 60 mph down the hill then a left hand bend. As you come out of the bend the speed limit changes to 30 but because of the hedge along the nearside you can't see the sign until you're about 50 yards away from it meaning you have to brake like hell in order to slow to 30 before you reach the sign which can be incredibly dangerous if the road is wet. Conveniently there is small lay by right next to the 30 sign where plod often sit with their little tripod mounted camera, usually when the A47 is closed due to an accident and the police have diverted the traffic through that village. Slimy bastards!
@@drundub73 The interesting part is that the councils., courts and police are in partnership. Camera partnerships, working in consort. Yet the signs aren’t maintained, the police sign off a certificate to say the signs were correct, without visiting the sites to inspect. The courts believe these certificates. You might think if a speed limit warrants a camera enforcement, they might maintain the signs. It’s misconduct or malfalise in public office to prosecute someone where there was no lawful sign to obey and to certify the sign was correct. If a person drives someone to a bank robbery , they are acting in concert, just as guilty as the man in the bank. Judges, councils and police are all as guilty as each other as they are a camera partnership.
@@TNT-projects interesting. There's a village on the outskirts of norwich, taverham, which had a 40 mph speed limit for years, a few years ago it was changed to a 30 and a speed camera was installed but the only sign is, and has always been, obscured by trees, so much so that I would challenge anyone unfamiliar with that road to drive along it at night and tell me where the sign is. Of course any GPs device manufactured before the limit was lowered still shows it as a 40 and I know more people that have been nicked there than anywhere else in the country. If this was anything other than entrapment they would remove the branches of the tree that are hiding the sign?
I knew a bloke who worked as a Service engineer and saved up 20,000 miles on his company vehicle for his big trip around Europe in the Summer holidays but his boss said he was getting a new Car and his one had to go back. It was hilarious listening to his story of how he stayed up half the night before he handed it back with a drill clocking the miles forwards 20,000 Miles...Whoever bought it definitely got a bargain because it had done way less miles than what was shown on the clock.😂🤣😂🤣
I know a company who had a 4spd gearbox replaced back in the day and one of the employees drove it assuming it was 5sp and it went into 5th. Got an extra gear for free!
I remember someone I knew painting a 3 to look like an 8 on the odometer as the van had 130k to look like it had 80 as the odo didnt have the 1 infront. Would have really confused the next owner when it clocked round.
They are usually purchased via Corporate lease. An external company brokers the lease, and then disposed older vehicles at the end of lease period. Don’t get so excited. Same as any other organisation - car lease industry means that private buyers/customers subsidise losses from Corporate lease deals.
In the early 2000's I use to MOT cars for Kent police. When cars were decommissioned by law they had to be sold with Mots. At the time I was testing Volvo traffic cars that were 2 years old with over 250,000 miles on the clock... But since then maybe the rules have changed!! I think back then, many of the cars Speedos were digital. A very interesting video!
I hope you don't pay any attention to the mainstream media. I don't have a television. And if I don't listen to the radio that day I feel great without a worry in the world. The amount of panic and fear they are trying to feed into us is shocking.
only time i watch any media on the TV is if im visiting people, internet for my tv and no Ads and refuse to watch anything pushing the Government Agenda. if i do at least you are able to comment to at least give the chance for others too see and make own mind up than i one sided view you get watching the government tv, mainstream its Scare “Divide and conquer” is a strategy used by elites (often understood as “the oppressors”) to break down the relationships and unity between subjugated (often racial) groups struggling for justice, freedom, and liberation, in order to maintain the status quo. have a look through last 5-10 and you can clearly see they are pushing the Divide us really hard, its like they have much bigger plans for us. maybe the The Great Reset | World Economic Forum, You Own Nothing but you will be happy.
All my old company vans that done a lot mileage in 3-4 years went to auction . I think 5 out 6 were clocked . 1 had over 100.000 miles removed . This is obviously a massive auction problem and a lot more common than you think .
Knew all this and been happening for years , we used to buy ex police cars from Woma auctions , and the amount of cars we saw listed a week later with a "haircut " was amazing and not unlikely .
There is no guarantee that the car wouldn't catch fire or fail in some spectacular way, so to avoid any claims, they drill the block. I would suspect BMW know exactly the methods of failure and may have advised them to destroy the engine. The DPF will not clog driving up the motorway, it will clog when left idling for an extended period. When I worked for an OEM (test engineer) we had loads of problems due to the long idle periods and then driven fast. Mainly due to carbon build up withing the engine blocking sensors, actuators and oil galleries
2 points to make here, diesel in the oil leads to runaway. The engine becomes self sustaining and very hard to stop. Hence fire. Secondly, the DPF regen for particulate/soot atomisation is around 800 degrees celsius, so I understand.
Totally agree. As an Estate Agent I had a brand new Renault company car. Just over a year later, the DPF light came on ( because it was used around town stopping and starting) I then drove it as the manual advised to turn light out but the light didn't go out. I took it back to the dealer, who said they were going to charge for a regen as I had driven it too carefully ! I then asked if they would put this in writing, which they refused but they did then do regeneration for free. This is a scandal and should be highlighted more. Maybe GB news would cover this story ?
@@danmoney9932 Thanks for your input but ...No I didn't know back then, so my expectation was for it to behave like a brand new car. If anyone was to blame, it was the Renault dealer who recommended the car in the first place, knowing what job I did and that it was going to be used around town, stopping and starting but like I say thanks for your input but when you know the facts........;0)
I doubt he'd touch it Knowing he's part of the legal system.. (Wouldn't be good for his reputation or career) One guy up against every police force in the UK.. David and Goliath springs to mind....
He'd say the police are wonderful but hire a lawyer anyway. Poor souls need to eat, apparently. Remember, they are courts of law, not justice. Many piglets on the teat of that old sow.
As for DPF engines, the regen is all good BUT, the problems come with the ASH buildup in the converter from the REGEN Soot burn offs, this ASH usually needs to be removed and is not a cheap exercise or the motors ECU will put it into limp mode until it is cleared out.
The other side of this story a few years ago when I worked with a county council the police used to put their cars on a lift with the engine running to clock up mileage while they played cards
Good video. I would be interested to see if Car Vertical catches the mileage at the auction and flags up the mileage fraud after the "new" mileage after MOT?
Hi you mentioned that some one tried to get the press to look at clocking. I remember 24 years ago trying to get the press to look at this. Haw much money do you think Manchester city council paid for repairs for 100 miles of road ??? (It was 2 pence & thay were bragging that it was a lot of money & was good) ? mostly paid from council tax) & judging by the state of the roads it's probably still 2 pence. The press & TV don't care or are interested
So the police commission someone to drill a hole in an engine. They could just get it MOT'd so the mileage is recorded and not maliciously damage property. The world is full of idiots.
@@gingerjessy Doubt they're commissioning anyone. They're just getting the same guy that maintains the cars to drill a hole. As I understand it, there's been a history of car fires on ex police vehicles. So to avoid liability they'll just drill the engine. Forcing whoever is going to resell, to put a 'new' engine in it. Better than seeing something like, 'Police put dangerous vehicles on public auction' in the paper.
@@gingerjessy I agree with Bumble. It'd to protect the police force from liability I'm sure the police are well aware of their legal responsibilities more so than common folk..
@@gingerjessy More likely its due to liability. Police force sells off cars because they're deemed unsafe. Imagine seeing that to Joe Public, whose car then catches fire. Police force accused of selling dangerous vehicles with huge payouts
Those police cars may have a hole in the block but the value in the rest of the engine is huge - cyl head, crank, pistons, high pressure pump, injectors. Question would be - is the block from a failed non-police engine likely to be usable if upgraded with these parts.
Hi, I'm a retired cop (34yrs). Back in the 90s I was speaking to a recently retired cop who told me he had recently clocked his beige Mk2 Escort estate. He said he had taken the speedo out and there was a little white sticker on the back of it which read "Oh no, not again!"
@@timbo19751975 depends if you’ve got a uncle rollback from Bulgaria He does the lot for £80 to £200 if stuff needs pulling out the speedos but say a new fiesta it’s obd and simple so £80
Damn this is really dodgy, worst part about this I've owned an ex police car before and the problems I've had wasn't that bad but I could have illegally sold a car with its milage wound back, thanks for the info mate this is really useful 👍
Hi Geoff I just found your channel. Until this year I had an ex police Connect van. My comment, based on knowing that van since it left the force and my mate decomissioned it, isn't about clocking - mine had 130,000 or so Miles on and still showed that at first MOT but more because without decommissioning (or other exemptions within the law) serving police vehicles would never pass an MOT for a variety of lighting and other reasons. Mine was made by Ford Special Vehicles for the police and had a bunch of those factory mods which made it un-MOTable. Great channel thanks for the content b
Years ago my sister bought a tidy ex health service Peugeot,sadly it was written off by being rear ended by a lorry all inside were ok .When she went to make the insurance claim they found out it had been clocked by 80,000 miles so she never got the right payout for it despite sending the insurance the sales documents.
Insurance companies are the dodgiest when it comes to payment. They accepted the vehicle as declared and charged the premiums as based thereon. But now they say "false...we won't pay"?
They burn even if you use them normally. Five of my friends bmw has caught fire now. The last one was saved just in time but still needed a bunch of new parts. And ironically enough the car he got to borrow from bmw while they worked on his burnt to the ground on the motorway two days after. And I just heard about a sixth one going up that belonged to a guy at work. It only had 70000 miles on it but the chain broke and split the front cover. Oil got on the exhaust and a fire started. I was wondering why he showed up at work in his old Renault
Not that long ago it used to cost £50 to have your car clocked so if you did a lot of miles each year it was worth paying to have it done every year before the MOT retaining the average milage on a high millage car with what looked like the correct millage and service history.
Geoff, a new car keeps the odometer mileage (or would br kiloage in metric?) in several different computers. The dash display usually reads from the ECU but there may a second storage of the number of engine rotations, or the mileage, in other controllers as well. An authorized dealer, or someone with professional diagnostics, can pull these and compare them to see if they match. It would be a simple operation to around a car with the diagnostics and a couple of cops to check on ex-police cars, then go after the sellers. You'd also find the cops might not care about MOTs for their exempt cars, but your MP can start legislation to remove that exemption. It serves no purpose really. If those cars are going on public roads, a safety inspection benefits everyone, doesn't it?
Indeed! I have discovered the true mileage on a quite a few vehicles because the guys who do 'mileage adjustments' do the very minimum. Transmission,bcm,abs/dsc and even telematic systems can often contain and record true mileage. The modern way seems to be cheat devices interfaced into the instrument cluster.
Hi Geoff. Really enjoyed your 2 part series of videos. Passionate and articulate delivery. I subscribe to a couple of other UA-cam car sites and one is re-building crashed cars. They advocate using Car Vertical to do a full vehicle history check including if it's been crash damaged and repaired. Wonder what it would say about any of the police cars you've mentioned?
It would be interesting to check but I suspect they do their own repairs and any accidents with liability would likely sit on a group insurance policy with nothing recorded against the actual Police car involved.
CarVertical only works if there is already a public record. You’d find a police car Is a ghost until it leaves the force, with no traceable trail. Certainly no crash damage would be recorded in that time.
This explains why I have seen so many 5 series and x5's for sale at Wilson's auction, Scotland, with between 70 and 120K and they are always listed as needing an engine.....
It might be easier to roll the odometer on modern cars but it's also easier to detect. A simple scan will check the mileage on all the modules. On older cars the only place the mileage was recorded was on the odometer.
So anti tampering laws don't apply when it comes to government vehicles or police vehicles. One law for them another for the rest of us . Thanks for highlighting this .
not the first time it's one law for them and another for us...
It´s one big corporation, what would you expect?
@@miroslavzima8856
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it!” - RIP George Carlin
Stop putting spaces before punctuation.
You have totally misinterpreted the issue
A lovely example of actual journalism, shame we don't get any of this from our news sources.
They are not our news sources. It's their news sources
Great vid as usual. But running down todays cars by being no more reliable than older cars from decades ago, might give 'them' ideas as a further excuse to condemn us driving cars? In other words, don't give them more ideas to get rid if cars!
Also, why have you got an E *l ^o "n M ^u "s *k advert butting in inbetween your video?
Funny you'd say that, since examples of all sorts of (governmental) corruption are reported on, all over the "mainstream media" all the time.
@@stephengoddard3313 That advert is probably a HYIP scam. I have been reporting those.
Putting a hole in a motor with only 10,000 miles... can't believe the stupidity
Just thought I'd add a little story here:
Many, many years ago a work friend had the idea of 'reducing' the mileage on his Renault 5 that his dad had bought him. I had a little bckground knowledge of this, so offered to help. My mate was giving it the 'big Charlie' about how his dad was a car dealer so he was just spreading the idea that he also knew what he was doing. After we'd taken the steering wheel off and removed the instrument binacle, we were ready to change the odometer. However, I couldn't stop laughing when I saw what was written on the back in Tipex.
The phrase "Oh no not again" still makes me smile to this day!
Enjoy.
Awesome 😂
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heh once i was jailed for a short period of time and was tampering with a plugged hole to the lock mechanism i fished out a piece of paper rolled to a ball. opened it and it read" forget it, its not worth it." made me laugh so i just rolled it back up and put it back. 😁 and for those wondering it was for a falsely accused traffic violation that i refused to pay, hell no am i gonna pay for something i didnt do, i was pretty stressed out by work at that time so that little vacation was just what i needed to recharge.
bahahhahaaaa
Absolute BS. You never had to take the steering wheel off a 5 to take the clocks out
I bought an ex police vehicle!!
I purchased this from a garage not an auction and having no service history I contacted West Midlands Police who within 48 hours provided me with 8 pages of service history and pretty much full details of what they had done and when, including dates, mileage and parts used. I can't say for every force, but imsure the others would provide the same.
Great video by the way, it explains the huge amount of holed bmw I see at auction
@@artful1967 There would be no point arresting anyone for "something", no one needs the work because there is more than enough real work, no one wants the paperwork, and no one in their right mind wants a failed prosecution, which is exactly what they'd get if the alleged offence can't be proven in court beyond reasonable doubt.
Maybe you or those that told you that rubbish are of "dubious repute"??
@@artful1967 you know it
You only have to ask. But people don't know that.
The police cars don't get mot fact
I remember being shocked as a teen in a Walsall pub, after hours, that was full of police and local criminal types! Now I am getting the picture
Many many moons ago I heard a story... someone wanting to sell their extremely high mileage vehicle opened up the clocks to wind the mileage back and found a post it note with the words 'OH NO NOT AGAIN' written on it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I heard that apocryphal story. "It happened to a mate ... "
That was from the book Four Wheels to a Fortune.
Lol
It happens to me ! Not that I was clocking the car (an HA Viva since you asked!)
Everyone's heard that story, Urban Legend maybe?
The police force: "We don't MOT because value."
Also the police force: Drill a hole in the engine.
The police don't do MOT checks because they inspect their vehicle every 2-4 weeks for maintenance, repairs and safety. Much more robust than MOT checks. It does make for massive issues on the mileage records as there's no proof. As for drilling a hole into an engine, that's just wrong. No idea why they're doing this.
As long as the hole in the block doesnt affect the pistons of the crank or any of the oil or coolant drains in the block, its an easy fix😂
@@iHelpSolveIt what is the fix for it?
@@swift2117 Assuming the hole didn't hit the combustion cylinder, and only hit one wall on the coolant jacket or oil gallery...
Tap threads into that hole, and screw a bolt into it as to plug the hole.
If the hole went through TWO walls, then that's a little more complicated...
Depending, you may be able to intentionally enlarge the hole on the outer wall, in order to plug the inner wall. Then plug that outer wall with a bigger bolt...
Again, all of this, won't work if we're talking about the combustion chamber.
@@reallifeengineer7214 thank you
I'm so sick of the contempt we're treated with by organisations, government and big business.
You're not alone.
And there is nothing we can do about it.
Bring down the corrupt establishment of this country. They are not supporting the hard working tax paying citizens.
@@271chrissydisobedience
Don’t f£&king vote Conservative then.
My god this fraud needs to be dealt with! Take them all to court!
Aw yes.. take government that is part of running massive scam and most likely in on it from the get go, to court... owned by the government.. in a country full of freemasons... bloody brilliant idea. You wont get anything done via courts since massive corruption, i mean have you seen the laws constricting basic things like speech in UK?! and they own police, military and media, well as have massive surveillance apparatus, paid by you, so violence is not really option ether. We have been divided and conquered. Only massive mass offensive from the populous that they simply cannot hide would be effective and even then worlds MSM will run propaganda for them and their buddies will send their militaries as aid to suppress "the terrorists" ie the people, though there is a chance they will be taken back by it... but then again Canadians and French already tried this an mass tactic, so they probably are better prepared this point.
The court with their law? Do you think the law is designed to help the slaves?
@@oldblack15 hahaha
Was a similar mileage scam issue in Northern Ireland. Until recently cars with NI regs weren't in the system to check mot history... but now they are available you'd be amazed how many cars advertised have been clocked.
Great story Geoff, thanks for bringing this up. I remember, as a young, 17 year old, trainee mechanic in the mid 80’s, watching my boss remove and disassemble the dash of a car and turn back the dials using the wooden end of a match stick. He knocked about 30,000 miles off the thing before putting it back into the car and putting it up for sale. ( the wooden match stick was used because, unlike a metal screwdriver or similar, it would not leave marks on the dials ).
When I said to him, “ I thought that was illegal !”, he said, “ Everybody does it, even the police ! “.
Exactly, and a lot harder back then!
@@GeoffBuysCars YOUR WRONG YOU HAVE TO CLOCK THE MILEAGE BACK BEFORE THE MOT
@@chiefweedy7763 That's what I mean, clearly.
You can't verify the mileage of any vehicle . Even guaranteed mileage sales aren't guaranteed only by the Auction houses policies , I know of loads of haircut cars gone through the block sold guaranteed mileage that have had mileage reduction or correction. Even new vehicle dealers can reset mileage on delivery miled vehicles and I've seen them do it . People all over everyday are having odometers doctored , guy near me does speedo and keys and they line up outside with the German marques for correction. Some come yearly pre MOT or service not to mention the number of lease loan private cars done inc motability vehicles . So please tell me how they know its guaranteed .
£45 and less you can reprogram the mileage on 90% of new cars .
@@LifesAbe-ach ECU might show if it’s been tampered. I’m fairly sure VCDS for VW/Audis would have a log of some sort
Thrashing cars causes less regeneration as the exhaust gets to the temp required to burn of the soot particulates . Not giving a diesel some thrash is what kills them .
@@driftwannabe1099 mate ya full o shite and thick as frozen gravy . If the dpf is hot enough it doesn't need regeneration ya muppet as the soot particulates get burned off how a dpf is supposed to work not forced using excess fuel to raise exhaust and dpf temps through obd or ecu input . Idling cars or short runs kills diesels with dpf and egr related emissions controls . Like I haven't forced regeneration on a car before , been running , racing and repairing diesels for 35 years ... Pop in my garage and look at me scalextric ... 😂🤣😂 . Bet you say that to all the kiddies with ya bag of werthers . Regeneration on scalextric 😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣
😂😂 where’s the comments gone? Tweet tweet realised he messed up? 😂
@@m311ssa3 Still there cretin . Try a dictionary if ya struggling
@@driftwannabe1099 offered who ... your thick as gravy ... you stated pop to my garage not me, I was takin the piss but ya too stoopid to realise that , I don't entertain nonces ... the great regeneration mechanic 🤣😅😂 bragging he knows how to use a scan tool 😂😅🤣
@@driftwannabe1099 Runs such a great business and a epic social life he's got time to see a troll on UA-cam.
What's your pronouns ? . Nonce ?
Just in case it is of any use to anyone, I bought a Focus about 5 years ago that was an ex police car and managed to track down through a google search of the registration which force owned it, I contacted their fleet department and requested a copy of the service history they held for the vehicle, they emailed it to me a couple of days later, from memory it not only contained every little bit of work it had ever had done but mileage was also recorded on it, hope that helps someone.
But the police are lying about damage, repairs, mileage and general abuse. I'd steer well clear of any ex police vehicles, especially after hearing all this. There's an ex Police Interceptors cop on UA-cam that also goes into detail about why you should NEVER buy a car from the police.
how on earth could you ever trust that data though? It's evident they're at the least looking the other way, I wouldn't expect them to be truthful in the service history and/or their own mot stuff (it's the inspection done yearly or however often it's done, in the UK, right?)
@@JohanHultin they're checked by fleet management and verified by 3rd party here, you need to enter the odometer at the servo when you fuel the car up as well, and if it doesn't fit within a range based on a few things including the odo reading at last fill up, you will either have to check and confirm it is correct, then sign the receipt, OR you will have to force an overide, again signing the receipt, so everyone knows who authorised that fuel up and what odo reading was on that car at that time.
To defeat the system and adjust the odo reading on a Police vehicle here would not only be incredibly difficult, it would require pretty near 100% co-operation from any officer likely to drive or fuel up that vehicle, and that will NEVER happen, i for one would never leave myself open to getting nailed for that.
Absolute rubbish. Police garages are staffed and run by hard working and experienced staff, all work is recorded. They simply are not pulling the wool over people's eyes. The liability if a copper gets hurt because of a defective vehicle is huge let alone selling an ex fleet vehicle to the public and having something happen. Total sensationalism.
If the service record is missing or the mileage seems off then it's happening after the Police have let the vehicles go @@JohanHultin
Back in the 90’s I had a friend who ran very high mileages on his cars - usually Mercs. He had them clocked regularly between Dealer services so they actually all ended up as low mileage with FSH!😵💫
Respect to this guy for talking and not hiding. Police need to be held accountable for many things lately and this now also needs to be addressed
I do love how the world spins sometimes... Police break law: Meh, were above the law
WE break the law: Police show up at your door to arrest you
Police could get away with murder while we get sent in for so much as dropping a pencil it's ridiculous
This is an absolute disgrace!! Thank you for making us all aware of this GLARING HYPOCRISY FROM THE POLICE!!
Its still a fraught...... if not also a documentations fraud
I am just imagining here, but imagine if the guy drilling the hole also attended the auction with his friend.
Imagine how easy it would be for him to just drill a cheap part of the engine that's easy to fix so his friend could make 15k buying, fixing and selling it. Imagine him getting a kickback. It would be so easy for the mechanic to find someone within the trade and to arrange that they will drill a cheap, easy part that's easy to replace and to tell his friend which car to bid on.
In my view, that is stealing from the tax payer and corruption.
Do you think anyone would ever have connections to the motor trade and make it easy to fix these cars, perhaps taking a kickback for doing his job extra carefully? Would it technically be illegal if he did properly drill the engine and disable it, only in a cheaper way for the garage to fix? After all, he did successfully disable the engine with a drill.
Could he mask the kickback by receiving cash in hand? or a discount on a new car?
We will never know. But it's an easy way for a man to make a kickback. I'm sure some will have thought about this
When the entire UK air ambulance services depend on charities to operate,
When the "system" makes it virtually impossible to claim the tiniest benefit,
When 350,000 patients in England waited more than 12 hours to be admitted to hospital from A&E,
When every public service has been destroyed,
All while the British government pursues imperial plans by building non-functioning multi-billion air-craft carriers to send them in the, ehm *South China* Sea to "contain China", then it's not to expect anything better than the Police. They themselves have budget cuts, upon budget cuts. The problem is elsewhere, it is in the minds of those who govern this place.
@@nomayor1 Regardless of all of your very valid points, this is STILL HYPOCRISY on the Police part!! They cannot expect everyone to OBEY THE LAW when they themselves disregard it!!
If you don't know the scale of criminal activity in Polish police, you don't know the true disgrace. No gang, no criminal group is rotten as much as the police. They punch 130km/h across the town. Drunk during the night patrol, not even slowing down at the crossroads with the STOP road sign. They turned ON the emergency lights and signal on the roof. They make it this way because when a car crash happens, it is entirely the other car owner's fault.
They commit crimes like they would drink morning coffee. They are 100% above the law, even with a murder caught on camera. The entire nation has lied - they made up the event so it looked like the cop shot and killed a young man because he defended himself from a youngster's attack with scissors. The cop was only asked to retire. Killed a young guy when without no reason tried to catch him while holding the gun in hand, safety-off, round in the chamber, finger right on the trigger. The ministry made up the entire story at the moment's notice. Nobody (aside from the people demonstrating the next day) faced charges.
So that's the current Polish govs scum for you.
You said it yourself: "They don't care." The common man is taken roughly from behind by those that we SHOULD be able to trust. Well nobody saw that coming, ay! 🙄
roug and deep! balls and all
Great video and this issue needs bringing out in the open. I’m a small car dealer and the amount off EX Police Cars & Vans being sold by the Police Forces and then clocked before sale is massive. It’s so well known within the industry.
How, as buyers can we not get burnt by this?! At what level of dealer are we safe?!
@@koolerking440 to be honest it’s rife at all levels of the trade. I’ve seen main dealers selling cars that have had serious accident damage regularly that some how are not recorded on the write off registers. Same goes for clocked cars. Do you research is the best advice I can give you. There’s plenty of free Smartphone Apps these days that you can check a cars mot history on. The main advice is even if you buy a car from a main dealer before you do for the sake of around £15 do a check with one of the following companies as they also check if cars have been police cars etc and also have history of vehicles going to salvage auctions as unrecorded crash damaged vehicles that should be write offs but some how skirt around the official channels and don’t get registered as such so dodgy dealers buy and repair them and there then sold as having no major accident damage recorded.
Motor check
Car Vertical
Vcheck
There’s cheaper ones available but these are the only companies that I’ve seen so far that really do through vehicle checks. For my business I personally use Motorcheck and I’ve come across several cars that they have flagged up as having serious accident damage and/or clocking issues but yet are showing as History clear through other sources. They also actually show you photos of cars that have been through salivate auctions as well. Vcheck actually have a Facebook group that they share some of there horror stories on which can be an interesting read. Hope that helps a bit.
Where do police forces keep these vehicles prior to going to auction? Be a shame if those sites all suffered a natural disaster, like a flood, all at the same time
@@realbigtrouble there not kept anywhere. There sent direct to the Auction houses up and down the country.
Isnt their mileage logged at MOT time?
The reason they haven’t had an MOT isn’t because they are police cars, no new car needs an MOT in the first three years, regardless of the owner 👍🏻
Police cars regardless of age DO NOT get an mot they ARE exempt . Fact . I am a mechanic and I service the police cars
@@Jpmaudits fair enough, every days a school day
No police cars regardless of how old they are DO NOTTTTT GET MOT DO YOUR home work
They do NOTTTTTT get mot regardless of how old they are
They are mot exempt
Fair play to you for disclosing this. Not that I’d ever buy an ex police motor mind but there are those out there that do and it would appear the ‘establishment’ is shafting the public once again.
You can check the true mileage of a car by using vector CAN software and get into the variables. The odometer and the ecu info won't tie up. This should be a standard check for MOTs in garages.
Especially if you KNOW that the car is ex-police issue.
Not true using the correct software it changes the ecu clocks and keys mileage and can’t be traced. I know this because I’ve seen it done
@@tommyaffs4549 I write the software.
If you modify it. I will know.
The mileage is stored in the airbag,steering column and various other places.
Its write to only.
Additional the GPS stores total miles as well. About 50% of cars under 10 years old have GPS built in belive it or not.
If you are modding the milage and you retrieve the GPS data you can see where and when it was modified.
One I knew bought a car and when I see it I did recon it and look inside it at the speedo. The speedo was clocking 150 K miles but when I drove the car last time almost two years before he got it it was over 300 K miles. I told him but he was not willing to talk about it with me...... then I knew who did it. It was still a really nice car with all bushings new, tight and not a single sound.
@@craigkinney853 100% correct
Is stuff like this even a surprise anymore. Nearly everyone in a position of power is crooked nowadays
That's what killed off the Roman empire
its international mate. Same shit hapoens here but different story here in australia. Police make their own laws.
It begins with the UK Government. Very noticable after Thatcher and increasing thereafter.
Probably not even the people higher up - it’s not worth their while, but for the fleet manager wanting to look good at his next annual review - just small corruption with a big impact
I’ve been saying this for years the higher up they are the worse the corruption gets
I would also add, the Mercedes OM606 and BMW M57 3 litre straight 6 engines were bomb proof pre-dpf issues, capable of hundreds of thousands of miles and were all around more green if you consider manufacturing of each vehicle in its green credentials as they just last forever.
Volvo D5s were bulletproof pre DPF too, it's absurd the impact of a product (dpf) that doesn't reduce emissions, it just displaces them to the motorway or wherever they're regened.
Amen. Modern "eco friendly vehicles" are an utter hoax. My BMW was meticulously looked after and is now dead after just 80k miles. 2 garages can't even identify fix the "electrics/sensors" fault. These cars and the whole system are a fraud.
I had an OM606 E300D Estate on 255,000 miles until Mr Khan forced me to get rid of it.
Absolutely correct, that's why the moment I bought my secondhand E65 730d M57, i removed everything emissions related (swirl flaps, EGR, DPF, and coding that monitors it), and the result is better fuel economy, more power, and reliable again as they were before the world went into a frenzy over this climate change BS.
old Mercedes diesel. 300d
wear the milage as badge of honor
500k? still young
1mil? eazy. drives like new
I think it's down to 3!
1) The old bill for knowing that this is happening, and not doing anything about it.
2) The garage, for phoning someone to come and alter it.
3) Who ever came down / up to alter it.
But at the end of the day, nothing will happen, because there all in it together.
Have a great day and keep them video's coming.👍
The only time I've clocked a car, is when I renewed the speedometer on my 1965 Mini Cooper... I clocked it forward by 7,000 to the vehicle's true mileage, to make it match with the previous odometer reading.
I did the same once, when I repaired my crashed motorbike.
You don't need to have an MOT. Just have it so the police have to enter the mileage into the MOT system before the vehicles are disposed of. It's all done electronically anyway. It could probably even be linked up to whatever system they use to track inventory.
In Poland we also have odometer reading when u get stopped by police eg. Ticket.
That's mean they don't even go anywhere. They pull data from cloud put mileage and send from vehicle. Also they have MOT done on third party station, sometimes they send unroadworthy police car and send "economy" unit.
I used to work in a used car dealership in Ireland and it was the same story there. My boss would buy in bulk, usually from auctions and even though cop cars never had much history, me and my colleagues could spot them a mile away. Messed up wiring looms and holes in the rear parcel shelf were a dead give away, along with the spec etc. And even though we never clocked them ourselves we had our suspicions about a number of them. Our service manager explained just how easy it was. Definitely needs to be looked into.
Sadly its fairly common in the used car market with motor traders, clocking was common 20 years ago and its still common now, its just they need to buy cars before their first MOT at 3 years old so they don't record the mileage
Its why traders are always desperate to buy high mileage cars before 3 years old...
So what about if the buyer gets the car serviced @ main dealer and it also had been serviced @ main dealers previously. Wouldn't it then be noticed?
@@rippawallet The service history gets "lost". I suppose the benefit from the decreased mileage outweighs the penalty from having no history apart from the MOT.
And MOTs are always legit, right? lol 😜
@@pompeymonkey3271 are you suggesting an MOT check of a vehicle online is not kosher?
@@stuartd9741 I did not mean to imply that there is any corruption within the MOT testers!
The MOT inspector only has the mileage on the odometer to go by. So they dutifully record it on the certificate as is required by legislation. Nothing wrong with that. But...
The average consumer trusts the diligently recorded MOT information implicitly because it can be verified on an official UK government database.
@@stuartd9741 I did not mean to imply that there is any corruption within the MOT testers!
The MOT inspector only has the mileage on the odometer to go by. So they dutifully record it on the certificate as is required by legislation. Nothing wrong with that. But...
The average consumer trusts the diligently recorded MOT information implicitly because it can be verified on an official UK government database.
Thanks for all the hard work that goes into your videos. It’s greatly appreciated.
167 to 57, 000 miles....Surely that would be seen in the steering components etc....unless they fit these parts new to cover up the reset of mileage.....What a sad scam on the public, and a danger to all... Great video...hope you remain safe after exposing this...
Been going on for years ,sadly this is what happens when police forces are allowed to maintain their fleet vehicles without having to log the history publicly,I was last in the motor trade nearly 10 years ago and it was going on then but as normal the government couldn’t care less when the consumer gets screwed out of thousands.
@Tango_sixteen Is that so, officer?
@@wowbaggertheinfinitelyprol6262 🚔 100%
@Tango_sixteen Of course there is no law of corruption for police!
@Tango_sixteen can you elaborate.
Is a higher power involved here....
@@wowbaggertheinfinitelyprol6262 A LOT of police forces don't maintain their vehicles in house. They utilise a third party engineering firm to do it for them, given the firm's buying power (meaning getting vehicles at very near to cost price as the firm are buying in bulk). I work in one of the biggest forces in the country and our vehicles are not maintained by us, we use a third party firm to do it for us, they take vehicles off for repairs and usually take far too long. i.e two recent examples, a tyre puncture took a week, and a brake pad and disc change took 2 weeks.
I've had a very different experience with ex.Met Police vehicles. I've purchased two cars, a Land Rover Discovery (used for Royal Protection, I even found an image on Google showing the car in front of the Royal motorcade) and a BMW 530i touring traffic vehicle. I purchased them through a salvage auction, I collected both the vehicles from Winsford in Cheshire via Synetiq. The BMW had a printed service history showing that Babcock International had serviced the vehicle between the services carried out by BMW in Park Lane. The Land Rover had similar service history attached with the V5c. The miles displayed matched the service history on both vehicles. I would accept that both the cars had slight challenges, the Police had disabled the Sat-Nav on the Land Rover and even the main agent couldn't get it to work. The BMW was fairly basic and there was plenty of holes to fill and paint, but it did have the dual battery system and electric folding towbar.
This is absolutely shocking, and I think you've knocked the nail on the head. If it was anyone else, the police would be looking at charging them the same old story. Don't do as I do, but do as I say 🤣
But the Police is expected to perform a couple of steps bytter than every man. Strickt regulation of this in Scandinavia. It would never pass.
Mileage blockers are also a thing people use, especially on higher price performance and supercars.
Very interesting, moral of the story- avoid ex police vehicles and always check the history before buying! Subscribed! Now where is part 1?
Back in the 1990’s I worked at a VERY LARGE GROUP of auction houses. One of the safest cars to buy was an ex-police car as even though they had well over 100,000 miles on the clock they were fully serviced! Mostly in white (the worst colour back then) and the lowest trim …. But still almost 3/4 sometimes 1/2 the price of a normal car of the same spec.
Of course this is before OBD ports and digital speedometer came into play!
I ran a car for two years without a working speedo. The Garage who MOTed the car told me that to fix it would cost a lot as it was electronic and would have to be replaced, but it did not have to work to pass an MOT. So I never bothered. I used the rev counter to calculate my speed. However to get a speeding ticket in those days you had to be followed by the police, or a policeman with a speed gun stood at the side of the road. Driving used to be fun.
He was right, you don't need a speedo (working or not) for MOT.
However, using it on the road would've been illegal - even back then.
Easier now, you can use your phone as a speedo (DigitalHUD etc)
I've only ever had one speeding ticket, and it was before speed cameras. It was back in 89, and a cop with a speed gun. I was doing 50 in a 30. I got a £30 fine and 3 points. Different today though.
Thank you, I was just about to buy an ex police van for a camper conversion. Naively thinking looked after and serviced a lot with reasonable high mileage (not moon and back) . Oh and the wife says thanks also ;-)
I Bought A V’reg Volkswagen Golf GT TDi from a second hand car dealer, it had 70,000 miles on it, I contacted the local VW Dealer to see when it was last serviced & when was the timing belt was done, the replied “last year & it done 90,000 miles!” I told the main dealer who I bought it from & they wasn’t interested because the second hand dealer used to purchase a lot of parts off them! I may add that this was about 2004 and Mk4 did have the digital odometer.
Thanks once again for the interesting videos you post especially the ones of the police escort cosworth, I don’t live far from Swansea & I can’t ever remember seeing a cosworth police car here, but I’ll do my best to find out for you.
Like I said keep up the good work from sunny South Wales
I’m a 60 year old semi retired mechanic and started messing around with cars when I was about 12 so I’ve been repairing cars for a very long time. Auctions have always been a place to get ripped off if you don’t know what to look out for and what checks to do before bidding on a vehicle. Back in the day you had very little or no come back against the auction house so you paid your money and took a chance. I’ve seen so many dangerous auction cars that have been completely bodged or even stolen and given a new identity and put back on the road. Thankfully you have got a lot more protection nowadays but there will always be a minority of dodgy dealers or traders that will do anything to make money and not worry about the consequences of the poor person that buys the car. This latest scam or scandal needs to be stopped and investigated and needs lots of press and media attention to make the public aware. As you rightly said clocking cars has been going on for decades but do you realise it’s not just the police that are doing this there are lots of lease companies and large businesses that keep cars under 3 years so they don’t need an mot that get put through an auction and sold on to anyone that has the money. These cars can easily be clocked before going for there first mot and sold on as low mileage cars the same way as you discovered on the police cars you looked at.
What a brilliant video. Thank you. My neighbour was a qualified motor mechanic who left his job as a mechanic and joined the police service as a constable (it was a service back then, Not a force) horrendous
Back in the day, I had a 305 as a private hire taxi. The speedo stopped working so I bought a new one from the Peugeot main dealer, recorded the old mileage and started from 1 mile. 34000 miles later, I sold the car for £300 with the paperwork showing the change of speedo and odometer readings, the new owner sold it on without the paperwork. Somewhere, there was a 270,000+ mile Peugeot 305 estate running around with 35000 miles showing, I found this out from the Peugeot dealer when they were contacted about the service history.
Great content Geoff. This issue really needs more attention
Our country has gone down the pans. From the top down we are rancid with corruption.
Well done Geoff for some excellent journalism.
Hi Geoff / everyone else.
I’m a year late finding this video.
I used to work in my local ( Not mentioning auction house names, but I’m in Berkshire / Hampshire / Surrey borders ) car auction houses.
We had many ex disability / driver training vehicles including police etc.
The auction house offered collection & decommission of these vehicles, meaning many that had dual controls, extra switches, handles / winches / ramps / lights & roof boxes radio equipment etc.
Some of which items ended up in the scrap bin, some ended up on car boot-sales social media marketplaces / the bay of E etc. Some of which meant regular police searches & many staff caught on possession / theft of items.
Thankfully I no longer work in the auctions as I had various daily roles / positions & it was getting all alittle too close for comfort & luckily for me I always did my job to my fullest capacity, although it didn’t always give me a good rapport / reputation to the many staff members obviously doing the job for the wrong reasons.
The best way to stop this happening is actually via finance companies.
If all finance companies re-wrote their agreements to state that dealers are responsible for the entire finance cost if its discovered that the vehicle is clocked, the industry would disappear VERY quickly!
There's already consumer protection against clocked vehicles. The problem as ever is enforcement. Police seem helpless and hopeless when it comes to fraud.
what a sad world we live in and what a fascinating video.Thanks, Geoff great work.
Perhaps someone could try and get in contact with the new owners of the featured cars? This deserves further investigation.
So the police don’t MOT their vehicles?? Surely to enforce the law you have to be seen complying with the law! Nobody is above the law, including the police! What a scandal! Thanks for highlighting this Mr Geoff Buyscars!
Shame they do that... I am very much a fan of the 330d in the 3 series and 5 series and also my favourite the X5,it's criminal to carry out such behaviour, there is always somebody looking for a spare block due to a failure of some neglected engines out there... Not everyone is a fan of diesels but me being a diesel fitter I absolutely love them. Thank you for the insight into what really goes on behind the scenes, excellent channel too! Up here in Merseyside there are so many 330's and X5's still patroling marked and unmarked but I have notice alot of Volvo's now too and seat leaons and ateca's, I must say they have anice fleet up here to choose from... I'd imagine a fight for the keys when starting shifts, this ulez is a load of smoke... Money for old rope... Easy isn't it to nail the motorists... Plant more trees is the way forward... The machinery building HS2 will be diesel powered I'm sure... Climate change is just the biggest excuse ever to make the hierarchy more money, sadact khan better watch himself, keep oil and remember... cash is king! 🤘😉
After working for multiple manufacturers I can confirm they chase police business as it has been perceived as prestigious, but often in reality its often not profitable in reality due to pricing, additional testing required (braking and electrical for example). Factor in massive after sales support and discounted parts for police workshops and training them to undertake servicing AND paying them to do warranty work. In terms of discounts it will not be a like for like due to specific police specifications, however I’d hazard a guess that it’s 30% to 40%. Due to the current supply situation, plus the drop off of demand its probably a commercial decision from BMW (GB)…
You used to be able to tell an ex plod car by the zip fasteners in the headliner and holes in the roof with bungs in them from radio antennas, also miles of wiring hanging around, the big Volvos also had an 'evidential second calibrated speedo' in the dash, but there again they were T5 turbos that were just bullet proof (and still are) and my favorite car in the day.
@WEST AUDIT REPORT mmmmmm doughnuts
@West Audit Report fish n chips bought in Barmouth after pursuit driving tuition
instructor "anyone fancy fish n chips yes sir
ok put on the siren and lets get there before closing
Nothing surprises me about the British police any more. Corruption and criminality is rife. And the higher up the chain of command we look, the worse it gets. Great video, it deserves to go before the policing minister. I might just get the ball rolling!
Wishful thinking.
But it’s not the police clocking cars, it’s either the auction houses or the retailer.
@@stuartelliott1933
yes.
But to be fair and above board.
The police should MOT the car before sale.
So the car is legit and can't dupe unsuspecting -mug- customers.
But they won't because it would devalue the potential sale(s) of the car/stock.
Now we could say the police are acting in the best interest of the tax payer to get the best price at auction....
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The fact this has been going on for eevver and is common knowledge in the industry suggests all's fair in love and war and perhaps police auction sales ......
@@stuartd9741 it is legit and it’s something to do with crown servants. They also don’t have an insurance policy for the same reason.
Brit cops are involved in organised crime groups, have access to databases etc feed info to rival gangs been like that at the MET for decades
Why am I not surprised!
Great production and research.
Thanks and regards from London.
a VOLVO 960 1996 driver here. Congrats to you on owning the best car ever. :o) and a brilliant video, as always.
Fantastic video. There is a reason that organised crime is called organised crime. Its organised and sanctioned at the highest level so the money goes to the people it's supposed to go to and the select club gets to fleece Joe public for all he's worth. No serious crime ever gets interrupted. I wish we could follow the money trail. My advice to you is don't get carried away and dig to deep. Its good for entertainment but until the police take it seriously, the rest of us better leave it alone. You do make me smile 😃
I tend to agree.
There may be legal implications if people dig deeper into this topic.
Geoff has already named a police force which does concern me a little as they may want to tell their side or make a public statement....
Laughable how the law is or could be construed as breaking it's own laws...
Well presented Geoff!! Exciting watching you do this with passion! Yes, I used to clock my cars(three I remember 😊) it wasn't easy, I had to use a small screw driver to turn the numbers on the face after disembling the dash - very carefully, I nearly botched one! I was young and couldn't afford much. The cars went on for ages anyway, not an excuse🙃. A relative of mine (this is the early 80's) worked for the police garage in Ealing and yes, he said he was told to clock the cars before they went out!!! It was common knowledge with all the staff and police at that time. The ex police cars that had lower mileage were first offered to the police only.
More crooked than the crooks , disgraceful ! One law for them another for those who pay their wages.
Easier, on older cars, to buy some clocks and drop them in. Nowadays, it can be just a bit of mot prep to put the originals in then swap them again a couple of hundred miles later. Not clocking, but at least it doesn't increase. So I've been told...
Seen a lot of these recently from police Scotland BUT when you do the HPI checks for mileage they have actually recorded the mileage when they took the vehicles out of service, so shows the importance of doing the HPI check regardless of mot history they still have a known past mileage but may not be the case for all the police forces disposing of vehicles.
There was a car dealer in Cardiff, a few years ago, would zero the milage of all the cars before putting them up for sale. Their logic was they cannot be accused of clocking because you cannot reasonably expect a second hand car to have zero miles, and back in the day it was quite difficult to find the true mileage. I think trading standards found a way to stop it, and of course everything is now searchable on the internet.
Sustainability in the real world. Well done Matt. Can't wait to hear about your future adventures
I test every South Yorkshire police car engines at every service. I can say they are very thorough with the level of service and service intervals. They are clearly concerned and conscientious about engine safety.
Funny how "conscientious" people can be when it's someone else paying the bill.
Said Mike, who pays his mortgage from a police contract 😂
@@Tjw1 lots of forces can use dealers to maintain vehicles. I’ve seen police cars at my local BMW dealer, in the workshop, many times.
Friend of mine was on restricted mileage insurance and to keep it under the prescribed milage he just used to get a guy to clock it at £50 a time.
@Tango_sixteen Im fairly sure he did the math and realised it was a way to save money, why is that pathetic? Insurance is the biggest fraud out and what keeps me out of a car despite having one accident when I was younger now I would have to be unlucky with my level of experience behind the wheel but Im priced out of it.
@Tango_sixteen Stop right there criminal scum
@Tango_sixteen Jokes aside, not all criminals and fraudsters are immoral, the system wants you to be a good little boy and behave while it shits on you from high above and expects you not to try to do better for yourself and your family. I sound bitter but im not you just get to a certain age and realise everybodies out for a buck and some of the biggest thieves and frauds out arent the common man who takes a little here and there its massive entities robbing on a mass scale legally or not and its the common man who pays for it.
@Tango_sixteen 🤣
@John Coleman Hi you shouldn't have any problems getting insurance, you do not have to tell insurance companies about any Accident that happened over 5 year's ago and some only require you to declare those over 3 year's old. The only thing that would prevent you from getting insurance at the same price as anyone else who had never had an accident is if it was your fault and you where over the drink driving limits in which case you would have to declare the conviction which would stay on your record's for 10 year's.
Hope this helps good luck 👍
This happens in the taxi trade too lol I'm seeing cars on ebay all over the country that were once part of a fleet of a company I used to drive for and some of them had over 200,000 miles on the clock back then and that was over 6 years ago 😂 some of them listed with half or a 3rd of that milage.
If you drive backwards in the taxi, does it lower the mileage?
Cabs usually show very easily,, just whistle and it will come to you!!
Knackered boot struts and hinges are a good tell for an ex taxi. And an engine bay drenched in oil, of course.
@@speakupreality633 Yes, if it's a mechanical speedo, but it would be a slow purpose. If you wanted to take off 20,000 miles You would have to back up 20,000 miles. No, I don't think you could do the with an electronic speedo.
Changing the mileage isn't actually illegal, it only becomes illegal if you claim that the mileage is genuine. At one time a lot of traders used to put a sticker on the speedo stating that as they couldn't guarantee that the mileage displayed was accurate it must be considered false.
Probably one of the best most informative car related video's I have seen.
We rely on people like you to blow the whistle on corruption in the car trade.
Geoff, you absolutely nailed it from 16.00 to 18.00. Unprovable of course (save a whistleblower actual admission). As a taxpayer I save, while some of my fellow taxpayers get caught!
I note the hypocrisy of the "suspected" turning a blind eye to clocking, while costing a bomb holing engines where there is traceability, and hence a chance of repercussions!
Interesting video. I shall have to go watch the first one. Just a minor point, it’s not illegal to adjust the mileage of a car in the uk but it is illegal to sell a car with an adjusted mileage without full disclosure.
Bloody disgraceful!! Wouldn’t surprise me if someone’s on a back-hander here.
Good job, Geoff!
This has been going on for a long time. I know some one who was doing this with Land Rover Discoveries 20 years ago. He used to fill the holes in the roof etc and push them on for twice the price.
All police vehicles are subject to a yearly safety check. The police version of an mot. It’s not the police forces fault if dealers go on to clock the mileage after they’re sold on.
Jesus Christ, someone with more than half a brain.......
Twice when I've returned my high mileage fleet cars I've removed the glove box and written the actual mileage and date in indelible marker, done the same under the seats and everywhere else I could do so
A common trick used in the days before electronic speedos and camera vans was to simply unplug the speedo cable for a while every year, a mate had a XR3i that he used every day averaging over 500 miles a week. He owned that car for about 3 years and during that time it did less than 10 thousand miles.
I worked with a guy who’s car had a digital odometer. The only thing he had to do was pull a fuse out to stop it from working. If I remember correctly, I think he even fitted a toggle switch so he could turn the odometer off when he was driving long motorway journeys. The fuse also stopped his speedo from working but he either didn’t care how fast he was going or used a gps app on his mobile phone.
@@notmenotme614 once you know your car you can rely on the rev counter to show how fast you're going, I don't know too much about digital speedos although I do know that there are companies that offer a "mileage correction service" whereby in the event that your odometer has malfunctioned and is now showing more miles than it should they can reset it to what it should be (or what you tell them it should be lol). The downside is that you can't go less than the last mot and I've heard of several cases of cars never performing the same after interfering with the mileage, whether that's to do with the ecu or the people who changed the mileage didn't do it right I've know idea?
I did a series of videos about police speed cameras and a lack of correct speed limit signs. Within a month I had a speed trap outside my house, a visit from a fairly senior police officer who made verbal accusations that I had filmed in court. I still have the notebooks from the court room. They also ran a prosecuting where the signs were changed after the speed camera was used but before the court dates. They conveniently lost on another technicality before we got to the signage.
I still have those videos on UA-cam but they are currently marked as private.
Police are vile and odious crooks and criminals
Thanks for your service. There's a speed trap on my way to work. There's a big dip, then the sign to go from 60 to 30 and then regular speed trap vans higher up the hill. Funnily enough they moved the sign from somewhere up the hill to all the way at the bottom.
@@SoulTouchMusic93 there's a similar setup in a village near kings lynn which catches out a lot of people unfamiliar with the road , 60 mph down the hill then a left hand bend. As you come out of the bend the speed limit changes to 30 but because of the hedge along the nearside you can't see the sign until you're about 50 yards away from it meaning you have to brake like hell in order to slow to 30 before you reach the sign which can be incredibly dangerous if the road is wet. Conveniently there is small lay by right next to the 30 sign where plod often sit with their little tripod mounted camera, usually when the A47 is closed due to an accident and the police have diverted the traffic through that village. Slimy bastards!
@@drundub73 The interesting part is that the councils., courts and police are in partnership. Camera partnerships, working in consort. Yet the signs aren’t maintained, the police sign off a certificate to say the signs were correct, without visiting the sites to inspect. The courts believe these certificates. You might think if a speed limit warrants a camera enforcement, they might maintain the signs. It’s misconduct or malfalise in public office to prosecute someone where there was no lawful sign to obey and to certify the sign was correct. If a person drives someone to a bank robbery , they are acting in concert, just as guilty as the man in the bank.
Judges, councils and police are all as guilty as each other as they are a camera partnership.
@@TNT-projects interesting. There's a village on the outskirts of norwich, taverham, which had a 40 mph speed limit for years, a few years ago it was changed to a 30 and a speed camera was installed but the only sign is, and has always been, obscured by trees, so much so that I would challenge anyone unfamiliar with that road to drive along it at night and tell me where the sign is. Of course any GPs device manufactured before the limit was lowered still shows it as a 40 and I know more people that have been nicked there than anywhere else in the country. If this was anything other than entrapment they would remove the branches of the tree that are hiding the sign?
I knew a bloke who worked as a Service engineer and saved up 20,000 miles on his company vehicle for his big trip around Europe in the Summer holidays but his boss said he was getting a new Car and his one had to go back. It was hilarious listening to his story of how he stayed up half the night before he handed it back with a drill clocking the miles forwards 20,000 Miles...Whoever bought it definitely got a bargain because it had done way less miles than what was shown on the clock.😂🤣😂🤣
I know a company who had a 4spd gearbox replaced back in the day and one of the employees drove it assuming it was 5sp and it went into 5th. Got an extra gear for free!
Both hilarious stories.😆😆
When I had a company van 20 years ago we did the same , exaggerate your mileage in the week to give you some miles free at the weekend.
You cannot wind a mechanical speedo forward 20000 overnight , an electronic one can quickly be done with a computer
I remember someone I knew painting a 3 to look like an 8 on the odometer as the van had 130k to look like it had 80 as the odo didnt have the 1 infront. Would have really confused the next owner when it clocked round.
They are usually purchased via Corporate lease. An external company brokers the lease, and then disposed older vehicles at the end of lease period.
Don’t get so excited.
Same as any other organisation - car lease industry means that private buyers/customers subsidise losses from Corporate lease deals.
In the early 2000's I use to MOT cars for Kent police.
When cars were decommissioned by law they had to be sold with Mots.
At the time I was testing Volvo traffic cars that were 2 years old with over 250,000 miles on the clock...
But since then maybe the rules have changed!!
I think back then, many of the cars Speedos were digital.
A very interesting video!
I pay more attention to these videos than I do to mainstream media.. Keep them coming Geoff
I hope you don't pay any attention to the mainstream media. I don't have a television. And if I don't listen to the radio that day I feel great without a worry in the world. The amount of panic and fear they are trying to feed into us is shocking.
More investigative journalism here than in any 'Reach' publication
only time i watch any media on the TV is if im visiting people, internet for my tv and no Ads and refuse to watch anything pushing the Government Agenda. if i do at least you are able to comment to at least give the chance for others too see and make own mind up than i one sided view you get watching the government tv, mainstream its Scare “Divide and conquer” is a strategy used by elites (often understood as “the oppressors”) to break down the relationships and unity between subjugated (often racial) groups struggling for justice, freedom, and liberation, in order to maintain the status quo. have a look through last 5-10 and you can clearly see they are pushing the Divide us really hard, its like they have much bigger plans for us. maybe the The Great Reset | World Economic Forum, You Own Nothing but you will be happy.
All my old company vans that done a lot mileage in 3-4 years went to auction . I think 5 out 6 were clocked . 1 had over 100.000 miles removed . This is obviously a massive auction problem and a lot more common than you think .
Knew all this and been happening for years , we used to buy ex police cars from Woma auctions , and the amount of cars we saw listed a week later with a "haircut " was amazing and not unlikely .
There is no guarantee that the car wouldn't catch fire or fail in some spectacular way, so to avoid any claims, they drill the block.
I would suspect BMW know exactly the methods of failure and may have advised them to destroy the engine.
The DPF will not clog driving up the motorway, it will clog when left idling for an extended period.
When I worked for an OEM (test engineer) we had loads of problems due to the long idle periods and then driven fast. Mainly due to carbon build up withing the engine blocking sensors, actuators and oil galleries
2 points to make here, diesel in the oil leads to runaway. The engine becomes self sustaining and very hard to stop. Hence fire.
Secondly, the DPF regen for particulate/soot atomisation is around 800 degrees celsius, so I understand.
Totally agree. As an Estate Agent I had a brand new Renault company car. Just over a year later, the DPF light came on ( because it was used around town stopping and starting) I then drove it as the manual advised to turn light out but the light didn't go out.
I took it back to the dealer, who said they were going to charge for a regen as I had driven it too carefully !
I then asked if they would put this in writing, which they refused but they did then do regeneration for free.
This is a scandal and should be highlighted more. Maybe GB news would cover this story ?
You drove it in a way which you seem to know was no good for modern diesel with dpf and then it went wrong? What did you expect?
@@danmoney9932 Thanks for your input but ...No I didn't know back then, so my expectation was for it to behave like a brand new car. If anyone was to blame, it was the Renault dealer who recommended the car in the first place, knowing what job I did and that it was going to be used around town, stopping and starting but like I say thanks for your input but when you know the facts........;0)
I wonder what the black belt barrister would make of this 🤔
no doubt he would think to give one of his meaningless non committal replies same as most of his useless vids.
I doubt he'd touch it
Knowing he's part of the legal system..
(Wouldn't be good for his reputation or career)
One guy up against every police force in the UK..
David and Goliath springs to mind....
He'd say the police are wonderful but hire a lawyer anyway. Poor souls need to eat, apparently. Remember, they are courts of law, not justice. Many piglets on the teat of that old sow.
Surely the police are too busy with apparently mean tweets.
As for DPF engines, the regen is all good BUT, the problems come with the ASH buildup in the converter from the REGEN Soot burn offs, this ASH usually needs to be removed and is not a cheap exercise or the motors ECU will put it into limp mode until it is cleared out.
The other side of this story a few years ago when I worked with a county council the police used to put their cars on a lift with the engine running to clock up mileage while they played cards
Good video. I would be interested to see if Car Vertical catches the mileage at the auction and flags up the mileage fraud after the "new" mileage after MOT?
No, it wouldn’t.
Hi you mentioned that some one tried to get the press to look at clocking. I remember 24 years ago trying to get the press to look at this. Haw much money do you think Manchester city council paid for repairs for 100 miles of road ???
(It was 2 pence & thay were bragging that it was a lot of money & was good) ? mostly paid from council tax) & judging by the state of the roads it's probably still 2 pence.
The press & TV don't care or are interested
The hole in the block is to protect the family that buys it off the forecourt of the scumbag dealer who buys it from the auction and clocks it.
So the police commission someone to drill a hole in an engine. They could just get it MOT'd so the mileage is recorded and not maliciously damage property. The world is full of idiots.
@@gingerjessy Doubt they're commissioning anyone. They're just getting the same guy that maintains the cars to drill a hole.
As I understand it, there's been a history of car fires on ex police vehicles. So to avoid liability they'll just drill the engine. Forcing whoever is going to resell, to put a 'new' engine in it. Better than seeing something like, 'Police put dangerous vehicles on public auction' in the paper.
@@gingerjessy I agree with Bumble.
It'd to protect the police force from liability I'm sure the police are well aware of their legal responsibilities more so than common folk..
@@gingerjessy More likely its due to liability. Police force sells off cars because they're deemed unsafe. Imagine seeing that to Joe Public, whose car then catches fire. Police force accused of selling dangerous vehicles with huge payouts
Those police cars may have a hole in the block but the value in the rest of the engine is huge - cyl head, crank, pistons, high pressure pump, injectors. Question would be - is the block from a failed non-police engine likely to be usable if upgraded with these parts.
Hi, I'm a retired cop (34yrs). Back in the 90s I was speaking to a recently retired cop who told me he had recently clocked his beige Mk2 Escort estate. He said he had taken the speedo out and there was a little white sticker on the back of it which read "Oh no, not again!"
The mileage is stored in multiple ecu's. So someone can check other ECU's within the car to find the real mileage .
If it's done properly the other ECU's will be changed also.
@@gingerjessy They almost never are.
@@timbo19751975 depends if you’ve got a uncle rollback from Bulgaria
He does the lot for £80 to £200 if stuff needs pulling out the speedos but say a new fiesta it’s obd and simple so £80
Yes inc the gearbox ecu
Damn this is really dodgy, worst part about this I've owned an ex police car before and the problems I've had wasn't that bad but I could have illegally sold a car with its milage wound back, thanks for the info mate this is really useful 👍
Hi Geoff I just found your channel. Until this year I had an ex police Connect van. My comment, based on knowing that van since it left the force and my mate decomissioned it, isn't about clocking - mine had 130,000 or so Miles on and still showed that at first MOT but more because without decommissioning (or other exemptions within the law) serving police vehicles would never pass an MOT for a variety of lighting and other reasons.
Mine was made by Ford Special Vehicles for the police and had a bunch of those factory mods which made it un-MOTable.
Great channel thanks for the content b
Years ago my sister bought a tidy ex health service Peugeot,sadly it was written off by being rear ended by a lorry all inside were ok .When she went to make the insurance claim they found out it had been clocked by 80,000 miles so she never got the right payout for it despite sending the insurance the sales documents.
Insurance companies are the dodgiest when it comes to payment.
They accepted the vehicle as declared and charged the premiums as based thereon.
But now they say "false...we won't pay"?
They burn even if you use them normally. Five of my friends bmw has caught fire now. The last one was saved just in time but still needed a bunch of new parts. And ironically enough the car he got to borrow from bmw while they worked on his burnt to the ground on the motorway two days after.
And I just heard about a sixth one going up that belonged to a guy at work. It only had 70000 miles on it but the chain broke and split the front cover. Oil got on the exhaust and a fire started. I was wondering why he showed up at work in his old Renault
Not that long ago it used to cost £50 to have your car clocked so if you did a lot of miles each year it was worth paying to have it done every year before the MOT retaining the average milage on a high millage car with what looked like the correct millage and service history.
Geoff, a new car keeps the odometer mileage (or would br kiloage in metric?) in several different computers. The dash display usually reads from the ECU but there may a second storage of the number of engine rotations, or the mileage, in other controllers as well. An authorized dealer, or someone with professional diagnostics, can pull these and compare them to see if they match.
It would be a simple operation to around a car with the diagnostics and a couple of cops to check on ex-police cars, then go after the sellers.
You'd also find the cops might not care about MOTs for their exempt cars, but your MP can start legislation to remove that exemption. It serves no purpose really. If those cars are going on public roads, a safety inspection benefits everyone, doesn't it?
Indeed! I have discovered the true mileage on a quite a few vehicles because the guys who do 'mileage adjustments' do the very minimum. Transmission,bcm,abs/dsc and even telematic systems can often contain and record true mileage. The modern way seems to be cheat devices interfaced into the instrument cluster.
Hi Geoff. Really enjoyed your 2 part series of videos. Passionate and articulate delivery. I subscribe to a couple of other UA-cam car sites and one is re-building crashed cars. They advocate using Car Vertical to do a full vehicle history check including if it's been crash damaged and repaired. Wonder what it would say about any of the police cars you've mentioned?
It would be interesting to check but I suspect they do their own repairs and any accidents with liability would likely sit on a group insurance policy with nothing recorded against the actual Police car involved.
CarVertical only works if there is already a public record. You’d find a police car Is a ghost until it leaves the force, with no traceable trail. Certainly no crash damage would be recorded in that time.
OOOOH look, yet ANOTHER MISSING REPLY! Come on Screwyoutube/Google, stop with the censorship, because that's exactly what it is!
This explains why I have seen so many 5 series and x5's for sale at Wilson's auction, Scotland, with between 70 and 120K and they are always listed as needing an engine.....
It might be easier to roll the odometer on modern cars but it's also easier to detect. A simple scan will check the mileage on all the modules. On older cars the only place the mileage was recorded was on the odometer.