As a sound engineer, Samson is one of my favorite brand. They always made great, basic gear, and they use their brand name to build a reputation around best quality-price ratio in the industry. I never had a Samson product failing on me. They're not making glamourous products that appeal to masses. They're making cost-effective products that appeal to productions who only need the basics. I will get myself a pair for stereo pairing on stage. I don't believe they're perfectly matched at this price-point, but you wouldn't notice the difference on stage or for a quick live-demo. It's probably perfect for drumset overheads. Extremely versatile. Also I wanted to have a mic stand to boom pole adaptable clip for YEARS!! I want to buy a dozen of those.
I bought the pair of Samson CO2 four years ago after seeing this review. I still use them. One is on my desk for (casual!) voice over and video conferencing, in a good shock mount with a small pop filter, and the other is on an articulating mic arm over a workbench, ready to use with a MixPre3 for video of mechanical details with accompanying audio. Both still work just fine for me.
I love these microphones!! I'm so glad I saw this video!! I film concerts, bands, and strong audio sources, so that should give others here a reference.
Great video Curtis :) I have been watching many of your videos and really value your knowledge and passion for sound recording. I've never been super happy with my interview sound from anything other than my lav mics. At college we were taught to use shotgun mics for interviews - regardless of the location. I was using a NTG2 but found it very noisy with both the H4n and DR-40, I sold it and discovered the Fethead preamp which seemed to turn it into a much better mic when using with lower end recorders. Regardless I bought a MKE600 from Sennheiser as it's more sensitive - and a Fethead! I was much happier with the results. I then discovered your videos on using small diaphragm mics like the Samson C02 for indoor dialogue and due to the very low price bought a pair to test out. The audio quality is excellent and to me not worse than the MKE600 and infact was picking up less room noise at the same distance and levels. Very impressed. Thanks again for the great videos, you certainly have a chuffed subscriber here :)
Thanks for this video, Curtis. I found out this application quite by chance; when I had to record dialogue in an office space and I couldn't boom. I used this mic as a hidden mic inside a work-station and it worked for me!
I got thismic since many years, I started recording live cymbals drums and other instruments, I wasn't impressed for those kind of works, but since about 2 years I started recording sound effects and also dialogues, well I changed my opinion for these mics (stereo pair), they are doing a very good job, they are good even with loud sources like impacts. I like your review, with pros and cons in a neutral way, not affected by the price.
Curtis thanks again for these videos. I'd like to leave a little bit of audio wisdom here, I haven't heard you mention it, and I expect this video will attract many beginners who could benefit from this advice: In regards to low cut/high pass filters, I prefer a mic that has this feature because there is a tun of power in those low frequencies. By reducing those frequencies (and that power) before the signal hits the Analog to Digital converter, we will have a little more headroom on the input, thus a slightly better signal to noise ratio. It is not major, but as in all things, many little details add up into a final outcome. If we ace all those little details, we have a shot at acing the final product. With that said, I'm watching this video because I'm considering these Samson mics for my own purposes, so I don't mean to discourage a purchase of these mics. I've found that Samson has really been making a play for the prosumer/professional audio market. I use their S Patch+ patch bay which is superlative, and Samson also produces the Zoom product line, so the H4N which really was disruptive when introduced, and all the excellent audio recorders, H5, 6, and the F series.
Was very busy today, and rushed through that comment and didn't finish my thought! Embarrassing! So any beginners reading this, I want to emphasize that Samson is really pushing and innovating, there are many really useful products under their corporate umbrella that lower budget people can access and use to realize their vision. As a consumer, I love finding these companies that are hungry. They're hungry like we're hungry. They are trying to achieve more with less, just as we are.
This actually sounds pretty good and withing my budget. Currently have been using an at2020 mostly for desk use, but I need something that I can use to record out of frame and also don't want to constantly move my mic around between my different recording areas. Thanks for the video! Definitely investing into these.
these examples all sound very good, but I am curious as to how it would sound say 3 or 4 feet away from you (boom mic position). I want to start streaming regularly on youtube and I need one that will be near the ceiling while I sit down and I wonder how much the sound quality will suffer being that far away.
I bought a pair of these on the strength of this review but found the floor noise they produce way too loud. When compared to a c214 they are like hissing snakes. NT5s a little more expensive but they are at least useable.
You should include the zoom h4n in the comparison video, so people like me that can't afford the zoom f8 could still get and idea of the sound. Thanks!
The high frequencies can be easily fixed by using a 1 layer sock made of pantyhose material to go over the grill and capsule area, use an elastic to hold the material tight. All my mics have this on them including large condensers.
Curtis Judd Thanks it is not mine but an old engineers trick for working with vintage ribbon mics. I actually added those "Socks" to my dynamic mics as well. Very well made video here showing the differences in capturing dialog vs acoustic guitars and what mics are used. I actually picked up the Monoprice Matched pair condensers with are secretly MXL 603's on the insides they are a sleeper mic set and great for acoustic instruments or dialog.
Hey Curtis, I'm a photographer, while taking corporate headshots I was asked to do some short interviews, which I did. First one was with Rode Wireless Go + lavalier directly into camera, went well; I then upgraded to Rode videomic NTG on overhead boom when I had to do 20 people in one day, to avoid to re-mic each person with lavalier, also bought a Tascam 60DII to have backup recordings and more control. All that stuff was bought cheap and used, I'm not looking for the fancy buy, interviews is side business, so I invest what needed but money responsible. I was considering to get rid of Videomic NTG and moving to XLR mics as I have phantom on the 60DII; doing only indoor dialogues, as per your videos I'm looking at cheap pencils, stereo pairs, so I get a backup mic in case one breaks; wanting to stay cheap around 100€$, so I was looking at the Samson C02, but also at Behringer C2 which are even cheaper, 50€ for the pair. You didn't review the C2's, online reviews puts them basically au pair with the Samson C2, especially for a beginner like me. Do you have any info on those Behringer's vs the Samson's? Other than C02's and C-2's, any other suggestion in the 100€ range? I found also MXL 606 and t.bone SC 140 in that price range, but reviews are mixed. Or should I just stick with Videomic NTG, as XLR stuff for a beginner side business makes no sense, and buy a cheap 30€$ Videomicro as emergency backup? Thanks, and thank you for your great work, you really are teaching me lot of stuff on audio, which is something I never touched as photographer.
Hi. What would be your pick if you had to choose 1 mic for voice out of the Samson c02, the Rode videomic pro or the shotgun attachment for the zoom h5? I"m after something to give me a result as good or better than a Rode Smartlav plus. Camera is a DSLR, filming indoors and typically 4-6 feet from subject.
+My Electronics & Hacking Show to get a sound similar to a lavalier, you'll need the cardioid or shotgun mic within about 50cm of your talent's mouth. The Samson and RODE are easier to boom so I'd go with one of those. I really like the sound of the RODE but if the room is very reverberant, the Samson may be a better option. I hope that helps!
Curtis, again thanks as always for your feedback & Guidance. I was recommended, by a B&H rep, the Senal SCI-3212 Small-Diaphragm Condenser Microphone. The package came with three separate capsules Omnidirectional, Cardioid & a Super Cardioid which are easily switchable. I have done some static testing and all seems good. I plan on using it when my Sennheiser 416 is too much or I have an Echo Chamber for a scene. Your thoughts? Thanks, Todd
Hi Todd, seems like an interesting option. Would be interested to hear some samples with it. Often the more affordable mics do pretty well on one or two dimensions but struggle in another like handling noise or they don't handle transients very well. But I'm curious enough that I'd like to give it a try!
If I’m doing some documentary style coverage and want to supplement a wireless lav with a moving subject. Can I mount a pencil condenser like this on my camera? I have an NTG3 but would this or a MKH 8050 work mounted on my C200? I’m so lost
Hi Curtis, You're the only person on UA-cam I trust when it comes to audio, and I have just started learning stuffs about sound. I have heard that the reason that the Samson C02 mic is sold as a pair because they were design to be stereo mic. I am planning to upgrade to the Samson C02 along with the Tascam DR60D Mark II soon. Is it possible to set-up the 60D to record the Samson C02 as a mono audio directly from the 60D, as oppose to duplicating the input into another channel in post. Thanks, Bew PS. Currently, I'm using only a Saramonic wireless lav. set-up directly into the GH5 camera.
Hi Bew, you can record to a mono track with the 60D. If your video editing app can take mono tracks, there shouldn’t be a need to duplicate the audio to another track in post. Best wishes.
The M5 has a lower self noise; more sensitivity; better frequency response, although only in the low end, which might not be a benefit depending on what you're recording; and weighs considerably less according to official data sheets that say the CO2 weighs 170g and the M5 weighs 80g.
Hi Curtis. I'm trying to decide between this and the Synco D2. The primary use would be doing on-camera interviews. A pair of these is $110, the Synco D2 $169. Any thoughts between the two?
Hello. After looking at several low budget microphones, the ones provided in this video seem like a really great option. My question is, can this mics be used during a live streaming video? If yes, what equipment would be needed to accomplish this? Can a recorder still be used? Or is a mixer needed?
Hello Gibar, Yes, this microphone can be used effectively for live streaming. The question about what you need to feed the livestream depends on how you plan to stream. Will you be using your phone? Your computer?
Another question, could you use an audio recorder to send the audio from the microphone to the computer while live streaming? Or what would you recommend?
Depending on your budget, you could use something like the Zoom U-24: amzn.to/2t4Y8gp Or if you have a bigger budget, the Sound Devices MixPre-3 or 6 are very good: ua-cam.com/video/McW2QqVh1jM/v-deo.html
Quick question: Would you suggest a Super-Cardioid mic, such as this, for youtube recording/streaming? What I do is not complicated and I'm using a Blue yeti on an arm about 40cm slightly up in front of me, just out of shot. I do need to add a shock mount....
@@jon.wijaya If you can spend a touch more, the Audio Technica AT875R sounds MUCH better: ua-cam.com/video/8NknNRy2uXQ/v-deo.html There may be some others at around $120 USD, but I haven't found them yet. 😀
for the same price as the samson mics much better sound i think that actually sound better the my cms series 451s though i will continue to use my akg 451s till the capacitors go bad does in the 451.
does the 451 use electrolytics so these presonous mics will actually double as a replacements if c451s ever fail. i have a ck8 capsule that came with the mic it's proably from about 70 or 71 451 is an eb the ck8 is the mini shotgun capsule. i kind of perfer the ck1 but the ck8 does work well over great distance and has that nice akg sound. there are few mics that match it. the other would be the mxl pencil mic which comes with a 990 it would guess the brass capsule in the mxl and akg is similar.?
Hello Curtis, thank you for all the things you have done for the community. I can learn so much from you now that I am about to start a channel with my family. A quick question, please. Our upcoming studio setup will be in a 5x5 meter untreated room with the Air Cond most probably turned on most of the time. The focus will be a short table with 150x80 cm and 40-50cm height with a toddler and a teenager sitting down and talking. If I may ask what would be the best setup for audio and lighting in this scenario? We will be shooting with a Sony A7iii and a smartphone on a gimbal, and quite starting to understand that we will have to put a rug and other cloth materials in the room. Would one or two Samson CO2 mikes on overhead booms and two Godox SL60W-ii led lights on the right and left of the table with one or two fill/hair lights be enough for us? I wouldn't mind having a sound recorder such as the Tascam DR-60D MKII but thought that two Rode Wireless Go ii transmitters attached on the two kids with hidden lavs would be more cost-efficient. May we have your thoughts and inputs, please? Much appreciated.
Hi Hans, thanks for the question. The CO2s are ok, but a little on the noisy side. When you have multiple microphones in the same space, you get the advantage of better pickup since you can aim one at each person or group of people. But you also get what is called bleed. When person one talks, they get picked up by microphone one but also a little bit by microphone 2. So you'll have to clean that up in post or it won't sound great. So yes, the CO2s can work, I just wanted to make sure you understand that using more than one mic is more complicated than using a single mic. The lights should be good. If you just want a big wash of even lighting and the ceiling is a neutral color, you might consider aiming a light at the ceiling which is better than any fill light. You essentially create a huge soft box on the ceiling. RODE Wireless GOs should be good, but same applies as with the CO2s.
Cant wait to see the Audix there really isn't a good thorough test of it. And I curious about the AKG cant seem to find anything about that either. Love your reviews its nice having someone give more in depth reviews on audio. I wish I could get another mic, just recently upgraded from the NT2 to the NTG3 should get it in next week.,wanted to also get the Audix but I opted for a new lens instead. It's always a pleasure to watch your reviews.
I'm working on a short film and shooting both in and out doors. What would be better Azden SMS 30 or Samson c02? Both on boom connected to saramonic preamp, w I have a Sony A7s. Thank you
Hi Sergio, My preference would be for the Samson. Note that when using it outdoors, you will need wind protection for it. For still days, a foam cover may be all that is needed. For days with a breeze, you'll want to look at blimp style covers like the RODE Blimp: bhpho.to/2wKJ2z1 Best wishes!
Quick Question Curtis, Why is it that all the "Dialogue Microphone test" i here on youtube and such sound absolutely nothing like the dialogue i here when watching a Studio level movie. Even when using the same mics. Is this a post processing thing? Thanks for your time.
Hi Adam, there most certainly is plenty of post processing on dialogue in the large budget films. For my reviews, I intentionally do NOT post process the audio so that you can hear the raw recording. The Samson C02 probably would not be used on a large budget film, but you probably already knew that. 😀
In terms of attenuating the sensitivity of the mic (since its a condenser), can you use that sensitivity gain on something like a Zoom H5 to try and reduce pickup of room noise? I use a Samson Q2U now but am hoping to use the CO2 for when I am out doing interviews (indoor setting). Thank you.
Hey Sam, I haven't worked with the LyxPro, though it has been on my very large list of microphones to try for some time. Several people have told me that they like the sound.
Hey Curtis! Just got a DPA 4017b, so I'm on a budget now haha. But looking for a budget indoor dialogue mic and leaving towards the Oktava, but seeing a few sub $100 options like the iSQ Little Gem, Behringer B-5 and Lyxpro SDP-2. Curious if it's worth the additional cost to get the Oktava for self-noise and audio quality rather than trying to get a budget mic that might just be a waste of money.
Hi, unfortunately, I haven't tried any of the others you listed, at least not yet. The LyxPro has been on my list for a while. I'll look up the others. I wouldn't hesitate to use that beautiful 4017b indoors.
If it is all that your budget can cover, yes. If you have a bit more to spend, I'd look at the Audio Technica AT875r: ua-cam.com/video/8NknNRy2uXQ/v-deo.html
@@curtisjudd Fabulous videos. Logically thought out and extremely professionally presented. I’m a serious amateur so I don’t understand your answer to Ryan’s question. Mine is, therefore: can I buy a USB adapter and use the mic for Teams calls simply plugged into the USB port on my Microsoft Surface with no device in between? Thanks!
@@martinw.lipworth697 Hi Martin, no, you need a USB audio interface as these microphones need a preamplifier. Unless the USB adapter you're considering supplies phantom power and amplifies the microphone's signal (pre-amplifier)?
I bought a pair of these and am getting no sound from them, and I'm using confirmed-as-good cables. Can anyone help? Could I have just gotten two lemon mics?
@@curtisjudd Aha, see, I didn't know anything about phantom power, or even the usage of a preamp. They're only hooked straight up to a mixer I got (PMX802D-USB). Do they require some kind of external power source?
The M5 has a slightly better frequency response and more consistent polar pattern for different frequencies and has less self noise, more sensitivity, weighs half as much (if you believe Samson's documentation that the CO2 weighs 170g - that might be for both) and that amazing 10 year warranty. Rode also guarantee that the pair only differ by at most 1dB of sensitivity, whereas Samson doesn't mention it anywhere in their documentation. Also, the M5 is cardioid and the CO2 is super-cardioid, neither of which is necessarily better, but it might influence your decision. As a last point, Samson's documentation is not consistent; their frequency response graph says that the CO2 has a range of ~25Hz to ~20kHz, the tech sheet specs say 50Hz to 20kHz and the user manual says 40Hz to 20kHz. I don't like it when companies make mistakes and have inconsistencies, because it implies that everything else they do is poor as well. Given all of this, I'd probably go with the Rodes, but the most important thing you can do is listen to comparisons yourself.
Hi Curtis! I am looking for a set of 4 mics that enables me to record both a string quartet or a mixed choir (not at the same time of course) through Zoom H6 (maybe with some ambience via external xy capsule). I happened to get it for a fairly affordable ammout of money. I am on a very tight budget and these projects are clearly amateur - a promo videos for an amateur (semi-professional) ensamble or choir. And it is a bit more for me as a hobby or to get some experience with such kind of work. I was thinking about small diaphgram condenser XLR pencil mics of cardioid or supercardioid pick-up pattern. Do you think the samson C-02 would serve a purpose? I was thinking also about Behringer C-2 or MXL 603. Anything more expensive can be beyond my reach. Paweł
Hi Pawel, this is the least expensive pencil style condenser microphone I have used and it sounds pretty good to my ear. It'll be hard to find another for the same price that is better (effectively close to $60 each). I used the Behringer to mic a piano once and they were about the same in terms of audio quality as the Samson to my ear. I haven't yet tried the MXL. Best wishes!
Curtis, I'm wondering how you think a pair of Sampson C02s arranged in XY configuration would perform for recording stereo ambient sound, particularly out in nature? Also, have you tested the LYXPro SPDC-2 and how does it compare to the Sampson?
hi Curtis!!! what do u think about these on home foley recording?? if not, could u recommend me any mic in similar price?? love ur videos! I hope u make some foley vids soon
Thank you for this amazing review. I need something similar to use in my instructional videos for UA-cam. I use Desktop/LaptopPC and would need a USB interface to connect. Can you please recommend any budget-friendly USB Mic with excellent voice quality output and Noise cancellation.
+Gareth Croft originally meant as instrument mics for stereo recording (e.g., drum overhead mics) but for filmmakers, great for interviews with two people.
Hello Curtis, I’m trying to track down the first mention of the C02 as a dialogue mic, and as it seems, this video is the oldest mention I could find. I was wondering where did first hear about it or if you went in blind to test it, thanks!
As a cardioid microphone it is pretty good. Not exceptionally different from many other cardioids but much, much better than most camera microphones or other omni-directional mics.
A very useful video and I also liked the comparison of this with the 4 other mics. You say that this isn't really suitable for converting to the small jack connectors on a DSLR. Does that mean that it wouldn't be suited to use with my Tascam DR-05? Incidentally, I really appreciate your presentation style. I am new to video having worked in stills for 20 years. I have looked at many tutorials on YT and am so pleased to find ones that are presented in a sensible straightforward style for adults. Keep uo the good work and many thanks for helping people like me.
+John H. Maw Thank you John. The C02, and indeed most small diaphragm condenser microphones, require 48V phantom power. So unless the microphone has the ability to power itself (e.g., slot for a battery), you cannot adapt it for a 3.5mm input. For those cases, I'd recommend something more like the RODE VideoMic Pro or Azden SMX 15 or 30: ua-cam.com/video/qRyUvMGVjis/v-deo.html Best wishes!
+Curtis Judd Thanks for the very quick and informative reply. The review of the three shotgun mics was also very useful and interesting. I hope you don't mind a further question. What attracted me to the Samson microphones (as well as the amazing price) was that they seem to be quite well thought of for both dialogue and also musical instrument (acoustic guitar or mandolin) recording. Looking at the price and bearing in mind that I would need two separate mics for duet ensemble recording it might be cheaper to buy the Samson mics and a Tascam DR-40 or DR-60. Does this sound like a sensible approach? Thanks again.
+John H. Maw Absolutely and given your recording scenario, a much better choice. I would recommend you avoid the Tascam DR-40 as its preamplifier design is quite dated and produces a fair bit of self-noise. Instead, I'd highly recommend the Tascam DR-60DmkII which I reviewed here. Fortunately, the DR-60DMmkII is not much more expensive than the DR-40: ua-cam.com/video/TRoIMPHS91U/v-deo.html Best wishes and happy recording!
I have 3 questions. 1 - Can I record dialoque for film outsside too? Is the mic better than ntg-2? 2 - Can I plug the mic directly in to my DSLR? 3 - Can I plug it in to my Zoom H5 and just start recording?
1) Yes. You will need wind protection (ideally a blimp or zeppelin cover). This mic is different than the NTG2, not necessarily better 2) No, it requires phantom power. 3) Yes If you're shooting video and can only have one microphone, a shotgun microphone is a good choice if you'll be recording in and outdoors. The NTG2 is good with the Zoom H5 but not very good when adapted to go directly into a DSLR. To get good dialogue sound, you really need to get the mic closer to the talent. I hope that helps!
Lol we use these bad boys for a local TV show and have it connected to our MixPre 6 II. All gear that we researched thoroughly, but have also seen featured on your channel!
Hey Chris I've been watching this video like a hundred times listening to the audio. Right now I'm on a very limited budget and I've been thinking about buying the Samson CO2. Right now as a boom mic for indoor dialogue I'm getting away with using a SURE SM58. The mic is connected to a MACKIE PRO FX12V3 board with the mic gain all the way up and fader all the way up to get a decent dialog vocal recording from 3ft away. The Mackie ProFX12 V3 is connected via USB to my PC and I record into whatever: Soundforge, Zoom, Facebook, Vegas Pro, etc. Do you think the Samson CO2 will sound better than the Sure SM58?
@@curtisjudd Sorry. Subs was a typo. I just wanted to know what you thought about the audio quality of the Samson CO2 vs the Shure SM58? I know they're different mics, but I just wanted to know what I'll gain and lose when I switch my indoor dialog mic from sm58 to CO2?
could this be used for singing in a crappy garage band? hook it up to a receiver/amp? i know absolutely nothing about microphones but already learned a lot from this video. only two minutes in.
+Alex Galindo Hi Alex, it could be used for that but I think you'll be better off for live music using a dynamic mic like the Shure SM58: amzn.to/22zXbID That'll help avoid feedback issues. Good luck!
+Curtis Judd thanks. I'm gonna look up more of your videos on those type of mics. but i think im gonna gonna stick with the samson co2 because i also do want to do personal acoustic guitar recordings and piano. either way im gonna buy from one of your links. i hope i can support your channel
Hey Curtis! Thanks for your videos! We are working on upgrading our sound set-up and could do with some advice. Currently recording using cheap Tascam shotgun mic and thinking of going Samson C02 + Tascam recorder or go the other way and just get rode video mic pro. Cost for the rode would be lower as there are less items to buy, but would we loose out that much on quality? Also, we do record outside from time to time as well - the upgrade there may be good. Which would you recommend?
Hi A2K, I think the VideoMic Pro sounds better than the CO2s but you have to get the mic off the camera and closer to the talent like this: ua-cam.com/video/TUEmQBZKoBs/v-deo.html
Hi Curtis, would these small diaphragm micrphones work if they used on desktop stand? I don't mind them being in the scene, all I need is the best sound possible. However, I don't need something that is going to be stuck in the face of the presenter and the viewer like the studio condenser microphones. Regards,
Hi A Rajab, Yes, they'll work great on a desktop stand. One thing to consider, this, just like any condenser microphone is very sensitive to movement. So if your talent will be operating a mouse or bump the desk or anything of that nature, most desktop stands will transfer that to the microphone which will pick that up. So as long as you don't bump the mic or have any sort of movement on the desk, it should work great.
So what would you say the verdict is then? I mean super cardioid or cardioid for interior dialogue? I was looking at a cheaper option like the Rode M5, Its a cardioid pattern condencer. Have you ever had the chance to try it out? Let me know what you think. thanks.
Super cardioid is what almost all of the pro engineers/mixers choose. Same for me. I have not used the M5 but it is on my very long list of mics to try. To be honest, not a high priority as super cardioid usually works better. I hope that helps!
Hi Richie, I didn't know RODE made that. Yes, that should work just about as well as the Micover. The very best would probably be the Rycote Softie but unfortunately it costs nearly as much as 2 Samson CO2 mics: amzn.to/2aentbF
Hi Curtis, I wanna ask if this is a good option for teaching online? I alternate between live sessions and pre-recorded videos. I’m currently using a Samson Q2U and an Audient Evo 4 interface and I wanna explore the option of using a lavalier or an overhead mic to give me more screen “real estate”. I just record in my room and there’s an electric fan that I use every time (just mentioning this since there’s some significant wind noise from the fan). What do you think?
Good day Curtis. I just picked up a Zoom H6 and am now looking for a budget mic for indoor dialogue. Wondering if this would have a high enough output for the H6 without causing a lot of hiss. (Just starting out on all this audio stuff so excuse my ignorance).
hello Curtis , I could use this microphone samson c02 in outdoor scenes with a draft shield with the blimp capsule ? or it is more recommended for indoor scenes on location or studio it? thank you.
Hey Johnny, some engineers will put supercardioid mics like this in a blimp or zeppelin cover and shoot with these outdoors. The critical things for outdoors are a good shock mount (the included shot mount is decent but not amazing) and protection from the wind (unfortunately the foam cover isn't enough unless there is absolutely not breeze at all. So it can definitely work, but will potentially need some supporting gear to go with it.
Hey Curtis! I hear considerable pre-amp noise on this recording. I don't know if it is the mic itself or the zoom pre-amp. I'm a MKH50 guy but looking for a cheaper mic to mount on DP camera on documentaries etc. This looks like a nice option at first look, but i'm a bit concerned by the "waterfall on the back" on this model. Can you confirm the noise is the mic pre-amp?
Great video Curtis.. I got the C02 and paired it with the zoom h5, I get horrible mic hiss.. plz help. (Edit) Fixed it... I was sending +48 Volts thru phantom... changed it to +12, works awesome now!
+Curtis Judd.. I have idea for ya. A tad off topic.. Can you share what audio you listen with? Like for example monitors and especially headphones. :) I just been getting into headphones etc and would love to know what you use and what you think of them etc. By the way I have the Ath-M50x's a older ATH-M40fs and a few others. Looking to get a open can soon, perhaps a open Beyerdynamic DT770 or AKG K 701 0r the AKG Q 701. Thanks for considering! And God bless!
+Robert Martinez First, this is not an endorsement because I bought these a long time ago and having A/B tested them against several other monitors I've since found them to be mediocre. But I use KRK Rokit 8 G2 monitors (they now sell the G3 version). They're ok, but would not be my first choice if I were buying today. If I had about $600 to spend on monitors, I'd probably go with the Yamaha HS8s. If I had about $1500 to spend, I'd go with the Adam A7x. As for headphones, I'm using DT880 pro for monitoring during post and DT770 when recording. They're both ok, but I haven't tested headphones extensively.
I've always been a fan of the Samson C02's. They've been around a real long time. Nice to see them get some love on here!
+Cody Clarke I was impressed. Thanks Cody.
As a sound engineer, Samson is one of my favorite brand. They always made great, basic gear, and they use their brand name to build a reputation around best quality-price ratio in the industry. I never had a Samson product failing on me. They're not making glamourous products that appeal to masses. They're making cost-effective products that appeal to productions who only need the basics. I will get myself a pair for stereo pairing on stage. I don't believe they're perfectly matched at this price-point, but you wouldn't notice the difference on stage or for a quick live-demo. It's probably perfect for drumset overheads. Extremely versatile. Also I wanted to have a mic stand to boom pole adaptable clip for YEARS!! I want to buy a dozen of those.
👍
I bought the pair of Samson CO2 four years ago after seeing this review. I still use them. One is on my desk for (casual!) voice over and video conferencing, in a good shock mount with a small pop filter, and the other is on an articulating mic arm over a workbench, ready to use with a MixPre3 for video of mechanical details with accompanying audio. Both still work just fine for me.
Great buy! Glad to hear they're still working well for you.
Amazing sounding mic for the price! Thanks so much Curtis for such a great review, they are superb!
Thanks!
This guy has a ridiculously relaxing voice, and I was told everything I wanted to know about the kit itself.
Awesome video man.
Thanks SoftFluffyBoi
Huh! Just over a hundred bucks for two. That surprised me. Great video, and can't wait to see the other comparisons.
+Basic Filmmaker they're no NTG3s, but not bad for those getting started.
Thank you for your response! Your channel is such a great service. It has made the audio video world much more accessible to me.
👍
I've used a stereo pair of CO2s on acoustic guitars for years and people are always blown away by the quality
👍
Thinking about getting something new. Been using the ntg2 for dialogue. I'm looking forward to your comparison!
+Suck My Mod can't wait to compare them!
I love these microphones!! I'm so glad I saw this video!! I film concerts, bands, and strong audio sources, so that should give others here a reference.
👍
I mix and film bands, so I think that would the best 150 bucks investment I can make right now :D
Great video Curtis :) I have been watching many of your videos and really value your knowledge and passion for sound recording. I've never been super happy with my interview sound from anything other than my lav mics. At college we were taught to use shotgun mics for interviews - regardless of the location. I was using a NTG2 but found it very noisy with both the H4n and DR-40, I sold it and discovered the Fethead preamp which seemed to turn it into a much better mic when using with lower end recorders. Regardless I bought a MKE600 from Sennheiser as it's more sensitive - and a Fethead! I was much happier with the results. I then discovered your videos on using small diaphragm mics like the Samson C02 for indoor dialogue and due to the very low price bought a pair to test out. The audio quality is excellent and to me not worse than the MKE600 and infact was picking up less room noise at the same distance and levels. Very impressed. Thanks again for the great videos, you certainly have a chuffed subscriber here :)
+Adam Troup Thanks Adam! I really appreciate your feedback!
Excited for that comparison video! Like always, great work. I really appreciate what you've shown, thank you!
+Spagettit Thanks!
Thanks for this video, Curtis. I found out this application quite by chance; when I had to record dialogue in an office space and I couldn't boom. I used this mic as a hidden mic inside a work-station and it worked for me!
Clever! Good work!
I got thismic since many years, I started recording live cymbals drums and other instruments, I wasn't impressed for those kind of works, but since about 2 years I started recording sound effects and also dialogues, well I changed my opinion for these mics (stereo pair), they are doing a very good job, they are good even with loud sources like impacts. I like your review, with pros and cons in a neutral way, not affected by the price.
+Stefano Cremona Thanks Stefano, good to hear your experience with the C02 as well!
Curtis thanks again for these videos. I'd like to leave a little bit of audio wisdom here, I haven't heard you mention it, and I expect this video will attract many beginners who could benefit from this advice:
In regards to low cut/high pass filters, I prefer a mic that has this feature because there is a tun of power in those low frequencies. By reducing those frequencies (and that power) before the signal hits the Analog to Digital converter, we will have a little more headroom on the input, thus a slightly better signal to noise ratio. It is not major, but as in all things, many little details add up into a final outcome. If we ace all those little details, we have a shot at acing the final product.
With that said, I'm watching this video because I'm considering these Samson mics for my own purposes, so I don't mean to discourage a purchase of these mics. I've found that Samson has really been making a play for the prosumer/professional audio market. I use their S Patch+ patch bay which is superlative, and Samson also produces the Zoom product line, so the H4N which really was disruptive when introduced, and all the excellent audio recorders, H5, 6, and the F series.
+Bushcraft Beats thank you! Good point regarding high pass filters.
Was very busy today, and rushed through that comment and didn't finish my thought! Embarrassing! So any beginners reading this, I want to emphasize that Samson is really pushing and innovating, there are many really useful products under their corporate umbrella that lower budget people can access and use to realize their vision. As a consumer, I love finding these companies that are hungry. They're hungry like we're hungry. They are trying to achieve more with less, just as we are.
This comment made me purchase these microphones on the spot! I had no idea that the zoom products were created by samson! Huge fan!
This actually sounds pretty good and withing my budget. Currently have been using an at2020 mostly for desk use, but I need something that I can use to record out of frame and also don't want to constantly move my mic around between my different recording areas. Thanks for the video! Definitely investing into these.
Good luck!
Very helpful and again nice review, Thank's Curtis!
Thanks!
Hi Curtis,
Thanks for this interesting episode.
Looking forward to see your next one about the Rode NT5.
+Philippe Schultz Thanks!
these examples all sound very good, but I am curious as to how it would sound say 3 or 4 feet away from you (boom mic position). I want to start streaming regularly on youtube and I need one that will be near the ceiling while I sit down and I wonder how much the sound quality will suffer being that far away.
It'll suffer quite a bit for all of them. It'll pick up a lot more room noise when positioned that far away.
@@curtisjudd thanks for the honesty!
I'm also thinking about this setup. What do you have in mid for your far-away boom mic?
@@hans6304 it's between the samsong and behringer (can't remember the model but a similar price)
@@metal_helm please share when you've decided and tried. Cheers!
I'd like to see a pair of Behringer C-2 cardioid mics compared to these if possible. I like mine.
+Sganzerla I'll see if I can get my hands on a set.
+Curtis Judd Cool! Will keep an eye on next videos, as always. Thanks!
This microphone sounds amazing. It's so cheap I might not have considered it. Thanks again.
If you do end up buying, I hope it works well for you!
Outstanding review. This looks like a winner for my budget. Thanks.
+Robert Shaver thanks!
Hey. Just wanted to say thanks for making this. I needed a lower priced option and so got the CO2's. Sounds really good.
Thanks Tim. Happy recording!
I bought a pair of these on the strength of this review but found the floor noise they produce way too loud. When compared to a c214 they are like hissing snakes. NT5s a little more expensive but they are at least useable.
Thanks for sharing. I wonder, were your copies noisier than what we tested here? I wonder if there's a lot of variation copy to copy...
@@curtisjudd I guess that’s possible. Thanks for your videos Curtis. They are really helpful.
You should include the zoom h4n in the comparison video, so people like me that can't afford the zoom f8 could still get and idea of the sound. Thanks!
+edwin reyes thanks Edwin for the input. Fine idea.
Glad you recorded the video with the mic you're reviewing. Honestly didn't sound that great, which helped.
👍
The high frequencies can be easily fixed by using a 1 layer sock made of pantyhose material to go over the grill and capsule area, use an elastic to hold the material tight. All my mics have this on them including large condensers.
Interesting idea, I'll try it!
Curtis Judd Thanks it is not mine but an old engineers trick for working with vintage ribbon mics. I actually added those "Socks" to my dynamic mics as well. Very well made video here showing the differences in capturing dialog vs acoustic guitars and what mics are used. I actually picked up the Monoprice Matched pair condensers with are secretly MXL 603's on the insides they are a sleeper mic set and great for acoustic instruments or dialog.
Hey Curtis, I'm a photographer, while taking corporate headshots I was asked to do some short interviews, which I did. First one was with Rode Wireless Go + lavalier directly into camera, went well; I then upgraded to Rode videomic NTG on overhead boom when I had to do 20 people in one day, to avoid to re-mic each person with lavalier, also bought a Tascam 60DII to have backup recordings and more control. All that stuff was bought cheap and used, I'm not looking for the fancy buy, interviews is side business, so I invest what needed but money responsible.
I was considering to get rid of Videomic NTG and moving to XLR mics as I have phantom on the 60DII; doing only indoor dialogues, as per your videos I'm looking at cheap pencils, stereo pairs, so I get a backup mic in case one breaks; wanting to stay cheap around 100€$, so I was looking at the Samson C02, but also at Behringer C2 which are even cheaper, 50€ for the pair. You didn't review the C2's, online reviews puts them basically au pair with the Samson C2, especially for a beginner like me. Do you have any info on those Behringer's vs the Samson's? Other than C02's and C-2's, any other suggestion in the 100€ range? I found also MXL 606 and t.bone SC 140 in that price range, but reviews are mixed.
Or should I just stick with Videomic NTG, as XLR stuff for a beginner side business makes no sense, and buy a cheap 30€$ Videomicro as emergency backup? Thanks, and thank you for your great work, you really are teaching me lot of stuff on audio, which is something I never touched as photographer.
If you’re getting good results with the VideoMic NTG, I’d stick with that. I wouldn’t expect the Samson to sound any better.
@@curtisjudd Thanks very much Curtis for taking the time to answer me, it means a lot, and thanks again for your work!
have you heard of the LyxPro SDPC-2 Stereo Pair
Yes, but haven’t had a chance to try it. Have you?
Curtis Judd no just curious I see neewer also has a pair also.
Thanks. I think this mic was used in the Werner Herzog MasterClass Ad ! which sounds GREAT!!
👍
Another helpful and well done review!
+Al Foote III thanks Al!
Hi. What would be your pick if you had to choose 1 mic for voice out of the Samson c02, the Rode videomic pro or the shotgun attachment for the zoom h5? I"m after something to give me a result as good or better than a Rode Smartlav plus. Camera is a DSLR, filming indoors and typically 4-6 feet from subject.
+My Electronics & Hacking Show to get a sound similar to a lavalier, you'll need the cardioid or shotgun mic within about 50cm of your talent's mouth. The Samson and RODE are easier to boom so I'd go with one of those. I really like the sound of the RODE but if the room is very reverberant, the Samson may be a better option. I hope that helps!
+Curtis Judd - Perfect. Thank you.
Curtis, again thanks as always for your feedback & Guidance. I was recommended, by a B&H rep, the Senal SCI-3212 Small-Diaphragm Condenser Microphone. The package came with three separate capsules Omnidirectional, Cardioid & a Super Cardioid which are easily switchable. I have done some static testing and all seems good. I plan on using it when my Sennheiser 416 is too much or I have an Echo Chamber for a scene. Your thoughts? Thanks, Todd
Hi Todd, seems like an interesting option. Would be interested to hear some samples with it. Often the more affordable mics do pretty well on one or two dimensions but struggle in another like handling noise or they don't handle transients very well. But I'm curious enough that I'd like to give it a try!
If I’m doing some documentary style coverage and want to supplement a wireless lav with a moving subject. Can I mount a pencil condenser like this on my camera? I have an NTG3 but would this or a MKH 8050 work mounted on my C200? I’m so lost
I’d just stick with the NTG3
@@curtisjudd thank you Curtis and apologies for the double comment! Youre the best.
Hi Curtis,
You're the only person on UA-cam I trust when it comes to audio, and I have just started learning stuffs about sound.
I have heard that the reason that the Samson C02 mic is sold as a pair because they were design to be stereo mic.
I am planning to upgrade to the Samson C02 along with the Tascam DR60D Mark II soon. Is it possible to set-up the 60D to record the Samson C02 as a mono audio directly from the 60D, as oppose to duplicating the input into another channel in post.
Thanks,
Bew
PS. Currently, I'm using only a Saramonic wireless lav. set-up directly into the GH5 camera.
Hi Bew, you can record to a mono track with the 60D. If your video editing app can take mono tracks, there shouldn’t be a need to duplicate the audio to another track in post. Best wishes.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the reply, Curtis. Any chance you are going to do a review on the Sennheiser MKH-416?
Can I use my Condenser 991 MXL to be my shotgun microphone instead? Thanks
Give it a try and see how it works.
@@curtisjudd Thank you!
Another super helpful video. Thanks mate.
👍
Anyone knows how does this mics compare to the rode m5?
The M5 has a lower self noise; more sensitivity; better frequency response, although only in the low end, which might not be a benefit depending on what you're recording; and weighs considerably less according to official data sheets that say the CO2 weighs 170g and the M5 weighs 80g.
Hi Curtis. I'm trying to decide between this and the Synco D2. The primary use would be doing on-camera interviews. A pair of these is $110, the Synco D2 $169. Any thoughts between the two?
Synco was cleaner.
TY
is this alright to connect straight to camera?! i just sold my tascam a month ago 😭
If your camera has XLR inputs and supply phantom power.
Hello. After looking at several low budget microphones, the ones provided in this video seem like a really great option. My question is, can this mics be used during a live streaming video? If yes, what equipment would be needed to accomplish this? Can a recorder still be used? Or is a mixer needed?
Hello Gibar, Yes, this microphone can be used effectively for live streaming. The question about what you need to feed the livestream depends on how you plan to stream. Will you be using your phone? Your computer?
I will be using my computer.
Another question, could you use an audio recorder to send the audio from the microphone to the computer while live streaming? Or what would you recommend?
Depending on your budget, you could use something like the Zoom U-24: amzn.to/2t4Y8gp Or if you have a bigger budget, the Sound Devices MixPre-3 or 6 are very good: ua-cam.com/video/McW2QqVh1jM/v-deo.html
Quick question: Would you suggest a Super-Cardioid mic, such as this, for youtube recording/streaming? What I do is not complicated and I'm using a Blue yeti on an arm about 40cm slightly up in front of me, just out of shot. I do need to add a shock mount....
Hi Todd, I'm not sure whether this would sound substantially better, to be honest.
@@curtisjudd Thanks. I'm fairly happy with what I've got and always looking to get better! I really enjoy your videos. I've learned a lot. Great work.
Thanks for the video. What stereo configuration do you advise for recording a small SATB choir (about 20 singers) With the CO2.
Thanks a lot.
ORTF if you want wide. AB for narrower stereo field.
super cool review thanks! I'm between this one or the Behringer C2 and C4
Thanks and good luck!
Curtis I'm ordering the Samson 2 mic deal. Is there budget shockmount options you can recommend?
Hmm, not off the top of my head. I usually go with Rycote shockmounts which aren’t cheap.
Is it capable for podcast? And also is it capable to do an outdoor/travel interviews? Thank you.
Yes, it is ok, not stellar. Decent for the price.
@@curtisjudd do you have any other pencil condenser mic that is versatile as this for this price range, sir?
@@jon.wijaya If you can spend a touch more, the Audio Technica AT875R sounds MUCH better: ua-cam.com/video/8NknNRy2uXQ/v-deo.html There may be some others at around $120 USD, but I haven't found them yet. 😀
What do think of the presonus pm2 that also comes as a pair has kind of a km84 or older 60s sehsiser kind of sound
Haven’t tried it. You like it?
@@curtisjudd yes very earlly 60s type sound like when they switched from ribbons to senhisers proably 404 or 405 ish in sound
for the same price as the samson mics much better sound i think that actually sound better the my cms series 451s though i will continue to use my akg 451s till the capacitors go bad does in the 451.
does the 451 use electrolytics so these presonous mics will actually double as a replacements if c451s ever fail. i have a ck8 capsule that came with the mic it's proably from about 70 or 71 451 is an eb the ck8 is the mini shotgun capsule. i kind of perfer the ck1 but the ck8 does work well over great distance and has that nice akg sound. there are few mics that match it. the other would be the mxl pencil mic which comes with a 990 it would guess the brass capsule in the mxl and akg is similar.?
Do ypu think boya bm 6040 is a better choise for the purpose now?
Good question. I haven't tried the Boys so I'm not sure.
Why is the noise floor so bad on this? It's hissing in between your words almost like a wave. Very noticeable when you stop and start a sentence.
Cheap mic. Two for just over $100 USD.
Hello Curtis, thank you for all the things you have done for the community. I can learn so much from you now that I am about to start a channel with my family.
A quick question, please. Our upcoming studio setup will be in a 5x5 meter untreated room with the Air Cond most probably turned on most of the time. The focus will be a short table with 150x80 cm and 40-50cm height with a toddler and a teenager sitting down and talking. If I may ask what would be the best setup for audio and lighting in this scenario? We will be shooting with a Sony A7iii and a smartphone on a gimbal, and quite starting to understand that we will have to put a rug and other cloth materials in the room.
Would one or two Samson CO2 mikes on overhead booms and two Godox SL60W-ii led lights on the right and left of the table with one or two fill/hair lights be enough for us? I wouldn't mind having a sound recorder such as the Tascam DR-60D MKII but thought that two Rode Wireless Go ii transmitters attached on the two kids with hidden lavs would be more cost-efficient. May we have your thoughts and inputs, please? Much appreciated.
Hi Hans, thanks for the question. The CO2s are ok, but a little on the noisy side. When you have multiple microphones in the same space, you get the advantage of better pickup since you can aim one at each person or group of people. But you also get what is called bleed. When person one talks, they get picked up by microphone one but also a little bit by microphone 2. So you'll have to clean that up in post or it won't sound great. So yes, the CO2s can work, I just wanted to make sure you understand that using more than one mic is more complicated than using a single mic.
The lights should be good. If you just want a big wash of even lighting and the ceiling is a neutral color, you might consider aiming a light at the ceiling which is better than any fill light. You essentially create a huge soft box on the ceiling.
RODE Wireless GOs should be good, but same applies as with the CO2s.
@@curtisjudd thank you for taking the time to respond. We really appreciate it. Best wishes.
Cant wait to see the Audix there really isn't a good thorough test of it. And I curious about the AKG cant seem to find anything about that either. Love your reviews its nice having someone give more in depth reviews on audio. I wish I could get another mic, just recently upgraded from the NT2 to the NTG3 should get it in next week.,wanted to also get the Audix but I opted for a new lens instead. It's always a pleasure to watch your reviews.
+Silent778 thanks and best wishes with the NTG3 - solid mic!
I'm working on a short film and shooting both in and out doors. What would be better Azden SMS 30 or Samson c02? Both on boom connected to saramonic preamp, w I have a Sony A7s. Thank you
Hi Sergio, My preference would be for the Samson. Note that when using it outdoors, you will need wind protection for it. For still days, a foam cover may be all that is needed. For days with a breeze, you'll want to look at blimp style covers like the RODE Blimp: bhpho.to/2wKJ2z1 Best wishes!
Curtis Judd thank you for the reply and the great videos u post
But hate the hiss sound...if we remove it...is it is okey or Sound Quality reduces much??
I’d save up for something better if you can. Post noise reduction can help, but will always affect the sound quality to some extent.
@@curtisjudd Thankyou lots for reply bro..
Quick Question Curtis, Why is it that all the "Dialogue Microphone test" i here on youtube and such sound absolutely nothing like the dialogue i here when watching a Studio level movie. Even when using the same mics. Is this a post processing thing? Thanks for your time.
Hi Adam, there most certainly is plenty of post processing on dialogue in the large budget films. For my reviews, I intentionally do NOT post process the audio so that you can hear the raw recording. The Samson C02 probably would not be used on a large budget film, but you probably already knew that. 😀
In terms of attenuating the sensitivity of the mic (since its a condenser), can you use that sensitivity gain on something like a Zoom H5 to try and reduce pickup of room noise?
I use a Samson Q2U now but am hoping to use the CO2 for when I am out doing interviews (indoor setting).
Thank you.
I’m sorry, I do not understand the question.
Seems like I found the pair I'm gonna buy! Who knows, they might stay with me without upgrading for something else if EQ can make it sound fuller.
Probably, yes. A little on the noisy side, but impressive price.
Hi Curtis, how would you compare the Samson CO2's to the LyxPro SDPC-2's? Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks. - Sam
Hey Sam, I haven't worked with the LyxPro, though it has been on my very large list of microphones to try for some time. Several people have told me that they like the sound.
Thanks for the tip, Mr. Judd, quick question. Do you think someone could -- in theory -- use these with a boom arm for Voice Over?
Yes.
does it require 48v phantom power? im using a behringer umc 202 audio interface. Thanks
Yes
Hello Curtis, do you think a Tascam tm-pc1 could achieve similar results in recording dialogues? Im about to put my hands in one.
I would think so, yes. I’ve never heard it, but spec wise, similar to the CO2.
@@curtisjudd Thank you!
Hey Curtis! Just got a DPA 4017b, so I'm on a budget now haha. But looking for a budget indoor dialogue mic and leaving towards the Oktava, but seeing a few sub $100 options like the iSQ Little Gem, Behringer B-5 and Lyxpro SDP-2. Curious if it's worth the additional cost to get the Oktava for self-noise and audio quality rather than trying to get a budget mic that might just be a waste of money.
Hi, unfortunately, I haven't tried any of the others you listed, at least not yet. The LyxPro has been on my list for a while. I'll look up the others. I wouldn't hesitate to use that beautiful 4017b indoors.
IMportant Info, comparison will provide buying decitions.
Please include the AKG P170
+Felipe Henao thanks Felipe. I'll add the P170 to the list for a future episode. Thanks for that.
Would you recommend this mic for indoor dialogue recording? I work in the film industry.
If it is all that your budget can cover, yes. If you have a bit more to spend, I'd look at the Audio Technica AT875r: ua-cam.com/video/8NknNRy2uXQ/v-deo.html
Can I connect this mic to a USB interface and use this mic for video calls and streaming?
Hi Ryan, do you mean a USB audio interface with XLR inputs? If so, then yes!
@@curtisjudd Fabulous videos. Logically thought out and extremely professionally presented. I’m a serious amateur so I don’t understand your answer to Ryan’s question. Mine is, therefore: can I buy a USB adapter and use the mic for Teams calls simply plugged into the USB port on my Microsoft Surface with no device in between? Thanks!
@@martinw.lipworth697 Hi Martin, no, you need a USB audio interface as these microphones need a preamplifier. Unless the USB adapter you're considering supplies phantom power and amplifies the microphone's signal (pre-amplifier)?
can I use it for choir in a church??
Yes
mushroom icon on mic usually refers(at least to me) to supercardioid or hyper. cardiodi is more "ass" image )
Yep, this seems like a mic with a rather wide super pattern.
Lol “ass pickup pattern”
I bought a pair of these and am getting no sound from them, and I'm using confirmed-as-good cables. Can anyone help? Could I have just gotten two lemon mics?
Is phantom power on the preamp on?
@@curtisjudd Aha, see, I didn't know anything about phantom power, or even the usage of a preamp. They're only hooked straight up to a mixer I got (PMX802D-USB).
Do they require some kind of external power source?
@@curtisjudd Figured it out! Found a phantom power setting on the mixer.
Thank you for the swift response!
@@ILikeWafflz 👍🏻
What would you chose betwen Samson C02 and Rode M5 for indoor dialogue? Thanks!
I’d probably choose the RODE.
The M5 has a slightly better frequency response and more consistent polar pattern for different frequencies and has less self noise, more sensitivity, weighs half as much (if you believe Samson's documentation that the CO2 weighs 170g - that might be for both) and that amazing 10 year warranty. Rode also guarantee that the pair only differ by at most 1dB of sensitivity, whereas Samson doesn't mention it anywhere in their documentation. Also, the M5 is cardioid and the CO2 is super-cardioid, neither of which is necessarily better, but it might influence your decision.
As a last point, Samson's documentation is not consistent; their frequency response graph says that the CO2 has a range of ~25Hz to ~20kHz, the tech sheet specs say 50Hz to 20kHz and the user manual says 40Hz to 20kHz. I don't like it when companies make mistakes and have inconsistencies, because it implies that everything else they do is poor as well. Given all of this, I'd probably go with the Rodes, but the most important thing you can do is listen to comparisons yourself.
@@David-ud9ju how about Rode M5 vs Oktava MK 012? Thanks!
Hi Curtis!
I am looking for a set of 4 mics that enables me to record both a string quartet or a mixed choir (not at the same time of course) through Zoom H6 (maybe with some ambience via external xy capsule). I happened to get it for a fairly affordable ammout of money. I am on a very tight budget and these projects are clearly amateur - a promo videos for an amateur (semi-professional) ensamble or choir. And it is a bit more for me as a hobby or to get some experience with such kind of work. I was thinking about small diaphgram condenser XLR pencil mics of cardioid or supercardioid pick-up pattern. Do you think the samson C-02 would serve a purpose? I was thinking also about Behringer C-2 or MXL 603. Anything more expensive can be beyond my reach.
Paweł
Hi Pawel, this is the least expensive pencil style condenser microphone I have used and it sounds pretty good to my ear. It'll be hard to find another for the same price that is better (effectively close to $60 each). I used the Behringer to mic a piano once and they were about the same in terms of audio quality as the Samson to my ear. I haven't yet tried the MXL. Best wishes!
great vid as usual. demo you need to do is akg blue line ck93 vs 4053b vs audix scx-1 hc. just those three in a comparison. my money is on the akg.
+steve eastwoofer Done. :) ua-cam.com/video/q-b_1gOYOEQ/v-deo.html
Curtis, I'm wondering how you think a pair of Sampson C02s arranged in XY configuration would perform for recording stereo ambient sound, particularly out in nature? Also, have you tested the LYXPro SPDC-2 and how does it compare to the Sampson?
Hi Francis, I think they'd do ok as long as you have some good wind protection on them. They're good for their price.
hi Curtis!!! what do u think about these on home foley recording?? if not, could u recommend me any mic in similar price?? love ur videos! I hope u make some foley vids soon
Sure, these could do the job.
Thank you for this amazing review. I need something similar to use in my instructional videos for UA-cam. I use Desktop/LaptopPC and would need a USB interface to connect. Can you please recommend any budget-friendly USB Mic with excellent voice quality output and Noise cancellation.
Hi Syed. The Audio Technica AT2005 works nicely: ua-cam.com/video/EHgSC3C0pTw/v-deo.html
Any idea why you get 2 mics? is it for stereo? Seems odd as you could just buy 2 if you needed them.
+Gareth Croft originally meant as instrument mics for stereo recording (e.g., drum overhead mics) but for filmmakers, great for interviews with two people.
Hello Curtis, I’m trying to track down the first mention of the C02 as a dialogue mic, and as it seems, this video is the oldest mention I could find.
I was wondering where did first hear about it or if you went in blind to test it, thanks!
A videographer from Australia told me about it, but unfortunately, I don't remember his name.
How is the isolation and reverb pickup?
As a cardioid microphone it is pretty good. Not exceptionally different from many other cardioids but much, much better than most camera microphones or other omni-directional mics.
I bought this microphone and I use with h4n recorder bit it makes a buzzing noise
Yes, bad combination, unfortunately.
Why does it come in a set of two? These are probably meant to be matched pair instrument mics to capture stereo, or perhaps to mic cymbals etc.
I would guess the same thing: Originally intended for stereo music recording.
A very useful video and I also liked the comparison of this with the 4 other mics. You say that this isn't really suitable for converting to the small jack connectors on a DSLR. Does that mean that it wouldn't be suited to use with my Tascam DR-05?
Incidentally, I really appreciate your presentation style. I am new to video having worked in stills for 20 years. I have looked at many tutorials on YT and am so pleased to find ones that are presented in a sensible straightforward style for adults. Keep uo the good work and many thanks for helping people like me.
+John H. Maw Thank you John. The C02, and indeed most small diaphragm condenser microphones, require 48V phantom power. So unless the microphone has the ability to power itself (e.g., slot for a battery), you cannot adapt it for a 3.5mm input. For those cases, I'd recommend something more like the RODE VideoMic Pro or Azden SMX 15 or 30: ua-cam.com/video/qRyUvMGVjis/v-deo.html Best wishes!
+Curtis Judd Thanks for the very quick and informative reply. The review of the three shotgun mics was also very useful and interesting. I hope you don't mind a further question.
What attracted me to the Samson microphones (as well as the amazing price) was that they seem to be quite well thought of for both dialogue and also musical instrument (acoustic guitar or mandolin) recording. Looking at the price and bearing in mind that I would need two separate mics for duet ensemble recording it might be cheaper to buy the Samson mics and a Tascam DR-40 or DR-60. Does this sound like a sensible approach?
Thanks again.
+John H. Maw Absolutely and given your recording scenario, a much better choice. I would recommend you avoid the Tascam DR-40 as its preamplifier design is quite dated and produces a fair bit of self-noise. Instead, I'd highly recommend the Tascam DR-60DmkII which I reviewed here. Fortunately, the DR-60DMmkII is not much more expensive than the DR-40: ua-cam.com/video/TRoIMPHS91U/v-deo.html Best wishes and happy recording!
+Curtis Judd I'm extremely grateful for your time. Thank you very much.
I have 3 questions.
1 - Can I record dialoque for film outsside too? Is the mic better than ntg-2?
2 - Can I plug the mic directly in to my DSLR?
3 - Can I plug it in to my Zoom H5 and just start recording?
1) Yes. You will need wind protection (ideally a blimp or zeppelin cover). This mic is different than the NTG2, not necessarily better
2) No, it requires phantom power.
3) Yes
If you're shooting video and can only have one microphone, a shotgun microphone is a good choice if you'll be recording in and outdoors. The NTG2 is good with the Zoom H5 but not very good when adapted to go directly into a DSLR. To get good dialogue sound, you really need to get the mic closer to the talent. I hope that helps!
only if B&H sold octava. We would see lot of them being reviewed. perhaps you can contact octava and have them send you review units
+MySchizo Buddy the Oktava is on my list. So many microphones, so little time... 😀
for using this on a boom, what shock mount would you recommend? a rycote one likely?
Yes, one of the Rycote shock mounts like this: bhpho.to/2rCXswC (full disclosure, this is an affiliate link. I earn from qualifying purchases).
Lol we use these bad boys for a local TV show and have it connected to our MixPre 6 II. All gear that we researched thoroughly, but have also seen featured on your channel!
👍
Hey Chris I've been watching this video like a hundred times listening to the audio.
Right now I'm on a very limited budget and I've been thinking about buying the Samson CO2.
Right now as a boom mic for indoor dialogue I'm getting away with using a SURE SM58. The mic is connected to a MACKIE PRO FX12V3 board with the mic gain all the way up and fader all the way up to get a decent dialog vocal recording from 3ft away. The Mackie ProFX12 V3 is connected via USB to my PC and I record into whatever: Soundforge, Zoom, Facebook, Vegas Pro, etc.
Do you think the Samson CO2 will sound better than the Sure SM58?
Hi James, it will certainly not require as much gain. Any way you can position it within about 12 or 18 inches? That'll help as well.
@@curtisjudd What about the subs quality against the SM58?
@@jamestheradioman What do you mean by subs quality?
@@curtisjudd Sorry. Subs was a typo. I just wanted to know what you thought about the audio quality of the Samson CO2 vs the Shure SM58? I know they're different mics, but I just wanted to know what I'll gain and lose when I switch my indoor dialog mic from sm58 to CO2?
@@curtisjudd *sound not subs
Great video. How well do you think this would work for streaming if it's connected to an Audient iD4 interface?
It would be ok. The iD4 is a much nicer interface than this microphone, to be honest.
could this be used for singing in a crappy garage band? hook it up to a receiver/amp? i know absolutely nothing about microphones but already learned a lot from this video. only two minutes in.
+Alex Galindo Hi Alex, it could be used for that but I think you'll be better off for live music using a dynamic mic like the Shure SM58: amzn.to/22zXbID That'll help avoid feedback issues. Good luck!
+Curtis Judd thanks. I'm gonna look up more of your videos on those type of mics. but i think im gonna gonna stick with the samson co2 because i also do want to do personal acoustic guitar recordings and piano. either way im gonna buy from one of your links. i hope i can support your channel
+Alex Galindo Thanks and best wishes!
Hey Curtis! Thanks for your videos! We are working on upgrading our sound set-up and could do with some advice. Currently recording using cheap Tascam shotgun mic and thinking of going Samson C02 + Tascam recorder or go the other way and just get rode video mic pro. Cost for the rode would be lower as there are less items to buy, but would we loose out that much on quality? Also, we do record outside from time to time as well - the upgrade there may be good. Which would you recommend?
Hi A2K, I think the VideoMic Pro sounds better than the CO2s but you have to get the mic off the camera and closer to the talent like this: ua-cam.com/video/TUEmQBZKoBs/v-deo.html
Hi Curtis, would these small diaphragm micrphones work if they used on desktop stand? I don't mind them being in the scene, all I need is the best sound possible. However, I don't need something that is going to be stuck in the face of the presenter and the viewer like the studio condenser microphones.
Regards,
Hi A Rajab, Yes, they'll work great on a desktop stand. One thing to consider, this, just like any condenser microphone is very sensitive to movement. So if your talent will be operating a mouse or bump the desk or anything of that nature, most desktop stands will transfer that to the microphone which will pick that up. So as long as you don't bump the mic or have any sort of movement on the desk, it should work great.
Thanks. Much appreciated.
So what would you say the verdict is then? I mean super cardioid or cardioid for interior dialogue?
I was looking at a cheaper option like the Rode M5, Its a cardioid pattern condencer. Have you ever had the chance to try it out? Let me know what you think. thanks.
Super cardioid is what almost all of the pro engineers/mixers choose. Same for me. I have not used the M5 but it is on my very long list of mics to try. To be honest, not a high priority as super cardioid usually works better. I hope that helps!
Good job James Blunt!
Thanks ShymonMusic
i was looking at the rode WS8 that works with the Rode nt55, would that work better than the other one you suggested? btw im a BIG fan.
Hi Richie, I didn't know RODE made that. Yes, that should work just about as well as the Micover. The very best would probably be the Rycote Softie but unfortunately it costs nearly as much as 2 Samson CO2 mics: amzn.to/2aentbF
hi. Does it come with an xlr cable to connect to my interface?
It does not come with an XLR cable.
If you order on Amazon there is an option that includes 2 xlr cables and some velcro cord keepers.
hi Curtis. have you tested the oktava mk012 hyper cardioid?
+Kenneth Kristiansen It is on my list. It is a little difficult to source in the US but it looks like there may be an option or two.
Hi Curtis, I wanna ask if this is a good option for teaching online? I alternate between live sessions and pre-recorded videos. I’m currently using a Samson Q2U and an Audient Evo 4 interface and I wanna explore the option of using a lavalier or an overhead mic to give me more screen “real estate”. I just record in my room and there’s an electric fan that I use every time (just mentioning this since there’s some significant wind noise from the fan). What do you think?
I think it could be but when you boom it from above, the farther it is from you, the more fan noise it will pick up.
@@curtisjudd thank you!
Good day Curtis. I just picked up a Zoom H6 and am now looking for a budget mic for indoor dialogue. Wondering if this would have a high enough output for the H6 without causing a lot of hiss. (Just starting out on all this audio stuff so excuse my ignorance).
Looks similar to the Neumann KM184. Being Neumann brands I can imagine the price is an arm and a leg?
Neumann KM184 is far more expensive, yes.
hello Curtis , I could use this microphone samson c02 in outdoor scenes with a draft shield with the blimp capsule ? or it is more recommended for indoor scenes on location or studio it? thank you.
Hey Johnny, some engineers will put supercardioid mics like this in a blimp or zeppelin cover and shoot with these outdoors. The critical things for outdoors are a good shock mount (the included shot mount is decent but not amazing) and protection from the wind (unfortunately the foam cover isn't enough unless there is absolutely not breeze at all. So it can definitely work, but will potentially need some supporting gear to go with it.
Hey Curtis! I hear considerable pre-amp noise on this recording. I don't know if it is the mic itself or the zoom pre-amp. I'm a MKH50 guy but looking for a cheaper mic to mount on DP camera on documentaries etc. This looks like a nice option at first look, but i'm a bit concerned by the "waterfall on the back" on this model. Can you confirm the noise is the mic pre-amp?
I'm pretty sure the noise is the mic. This mic is good for its price, but not magical. It also sounds a bit mid-range heavy to my ear, in retrospect.
Great video Curtis.. I got the C02 and paired it with the zoom h5, I get horrible mic hiss.. plz help. (Edit) Fixed it... I was sending +48 Volts thru phantom... changed it to +12, works awesome now!
👍
+Curtis Judd.. I have idea for ya. A tad off topic.. Can you share what audio you listen with? Like for example monitors and especially headphones. :) I just been getting into headphones etc and would love to know what you use and what you think of them etc. By the way I have the Ath-M50x's a older ATH-M40fs and a few others. Looking to get a open can soon, perhaps a open Beyerdynamic DT770 or AKG K 701 0r the AKG Q 701. Thanks for considering! And God bless!
+Robert Martinez First, this is not an endorsement because I bought these a long time ago and having A/B tested them against several other monitors I've since found them to be mediocre. But I use KRK Rokit 8 G2 monitors (they now sell the G3 version). They're ok, but would not be my first choice if I were buying today. If I had about $600 to spend on monitors, I'd probably go with the Yamaha HS8s. If I had about $1500 to spend, I'd go with the Adam A7x.
As for headphones, I'm using DT880 pro for monitoring during post and DT770 when recording. They're both ok, but I haven't tested headphones extensively.
+Curtis Judd cool thanks!