3.31 with 37s makes for an effective axle ratio about a 3.06. If it were 3.55, it would be closer to that of a 3.31. I’d say that’s a respectable run given the run time and the lift with being well off in gearing.
I recently had the 4 corner 5 link LiquidSpring suspension system installed on my 26,000 lb motorhome, (Ford F53 Gas Chassis), at the LiquidSpring HQ and manufacturing facility in Lafayette IN. By far the best money that I have spent on this coach. No more leaf springs, no more shocks. Going from driving a 26,000 lb box to now driving a large SUV.
Man I’d love to see this same test in Phoenix when it’s 110 out. Leaving Phoenix to flagstaff, it’s 6% leaving black canyon city. Less elevation, but an 80 degree temp difference
I have no ambitions to step away from my 1995 F350 7.3 but watching all the Ike videos are enjoyable. Great information and great entertainment to see what else is out on the road. I loved your old OBS7.3 pull up the hill! Good content.
16:40 full throttle for 8 and a half minuets? even with a new water pump on the old 4.6 triton, after about 2 to 3 minuets that 300Kwatts makes the cab so hot that the windows have to roll down when its -35 outside, then sit with the windows down heat blowing with the radiator fan going for a minuet for it to drop back down to being just only a little bit off the cold side of the thermostat. "duty cycle" two very small holes for air to come into the radiator... flimsy ford 8.8 axles 🦧😵💫
I don't know how much stuff we've towed in our life but we've NEVER been to a ⚖️ we just load it with common sense, make sure it drives okay & continue on.. 🆒🎥 guys! Big fan of your work
Wellllll,,, yeah!! That suspension is sooo impressive. You can run as high as your ego needs or hunker down for better economy and it’s just impressive! At $25,000 it’s a bit expensive but I know of a couple of guys that have near that into their 1 tons for suspension, but their trucks are only tall, period!! No height adjustment, several hundred lbs of parts (I know, I helped them unload everything before the installation,,,. The one that I helped them deliver to the dealership, was installed by the dealership $10,000 roughly there!! 😮😮 he was just over $17,000 and then spent another $6000+ on shocks! He is pushing $24,000 installed! The truck is a F350 so it doesn’t ride particularly nice still and is really tough to get into. I’m 5’8” tall and stare at the middle height of the console from the ground. He has a cable step so if he hits it off-road it just flexes. It’s very heavy cable so is decent to get in, but I still don’t like it. The passenger side has 2 steps so his wife can get in. He has a step stool for other passengers if there’s a group. All unnecessary if you have this Elevation suspension!! The bit of extra $$ is more than worth it. There’s no way he could have towed this trailer!!! He’s too tall and the trailer would need to be lifted 6 or more inches to be level! 😂😂😂. That’s how much he had to lift his 5th wheel camper he tows!! It’s nuts! I like that truck as it is set up just about perfectly! Fun video fellas! As usual, you two get along so well and the antics are the best,,,, 😂😂. Take care & stay safe, Eh! Nice to see ya Mr Truck!!
You have gotta have a lot of stupid money to blow on such a depreciating asset as this. So funny how much is spent and then how many bitch about the cost of a stock truck.
I have a 2017 F250 with 37” tires and a Carli pin top leveling kit. The Speedo is off about 4% at highway speeds. Also throws off the Mpg readings. My truck has 3.55 gear ration. You need a hyper tech speedo calibrator to get accurate speed and mpg readings. Not sure if the truck in the video had the speedo recalibrated for accurate readings.
Too many think that lifted trucks tow better than a stock truck. RIP sanity. Cue the little man ego. At least the wheels and tires on your mall crawler aren’t low profile and stick way out, like all the guys in Utah.
I have a question about the speed limit. The sign you showed says 35 for vehicles over GVWR 26,000. Isn’t that truck vastly under that? Or are you treating the GCVW as that 26,000?
So, to be clear, no upgrade to power plant or transmission, just lifted?! Come down to Texas, park along IH35 ANYWHERE and you'd have your answer. I think you've jumped the shark tank guys.
Yes, we recorded brake pedal actuation data with Banks - and it recorded zero. We think the brake lights show exhaust brake engagement - although the downhill speed was constant.
Still doesn't answer the question about lifted towing. *Of course* it's going to be brilliant with $25k worth of Liquid Springs under it. The scary rigs are the ones where they tried to get that look on the cheap.
I have a feeling you're way off on the way because it's skid. Loader probably 1 ways 10 to 12000 pounds. And that little thing only probably weighs 2000 that push your box on the front of the skid loader plays 1502 1000 pounds.
Okay, this truck ain't for towing heavy, it is modified tongonoff road (it can, doesn't mean it should). The gear ratio shoukd be better. I would go all the way to a 3.92 or a 4.10 gearing (not only for towing, but also for off roading in 37s). Fuel efficiency is not important here. We are talnking about a truck that was born as a very expensive towing truck and then became an even more expensive offroader. Do you really care about fuel efficiency when you buy a 120k plus USD toy for the dirt? I mean... there are wranglers, Gladiators, 4 runners, Tacomas, 1/2 ton trucks, dedicated 3/4 ton trucks... why a 1 ton? Just because you want it and you are willing to spend over 120k on it. So, fuel efficiency ain't a strong evaluation point for this right? BTW, the build is awesome. I actually also wanna build an HD truck into a daily and offroader. But I'm thinking about a silverado 2500... it is cheaper, lighter and I like chevy a lot better than ford
Ford motor company has lost me as a customer. DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT BUY A NEW FORD! I made the mistake of buying a 2024 superduty with the 7.3, with the intentions of building it up like people do... you know, to make it cool and capable of hanging out with other cool trucks doing off road truck things. Ford really dropped the ball on this one. Want bigger tires to hit the trails? SOL! want more power to keep up with trucks from 20 years ago? SOL! Ford has converted into a bunch of fun suckers! Everyone needs to know, as of 2024 Ford has upgraded to a fully networked vehicle (fnv) ecu that no longer allows you to tune the truck for mods such as bigger tires, superchargers, turbos long tube headers, I wouldn't be surprised if even a new cold air intake or drop in filter would put this thing in limp mode! And it's not just the F-series, it's also the mustang and everywhere car these fun suckers roll off the assembly line. I highly recommend you reconsider your new Ford purchase because I have they have left us performance enthusiest in the dark. They won't respond to emails and they only give you the run around. Save your money and buy a used car or truck. One that hasn't had all the FUN SUCKED OUT OF IT! I will never buy another new Ford truck or car! Especially at these ridiculous prices. I splurged and I regret it. Don't make the same mistake I did. Unless of course you like being embarrassed by every other generation of vehicle in that class that can be upgraded. Learn from my mistake! Boycott Fords control tactics. It is un-American and doesn't deserve your hard earned bucks!
World's toughest? Oh Americans always think their stuff is world this, world that. Nothing wrong with the test but there are way tougher roads in the "world". Please stop calling everything "world" when you mean the USA. There actually is a real world outside of USA borders where there are tougher, bigger, better things.
You do realize that you are not at max because legally you cannot do max downhill. You slowed down, which kept you from redlining. Huh, it's almost as if the federal government understands that there are yahoos who will be dangerous to everyone around them, and they told you that you cannot do that. On the uphill, the truck might have slowed you down. You stated that your transmission needed to do something different in order to get best performance. Test it unmodified and determine whether the transmission would do the same thing as that is the only way to understand what the performance was doing. If it is different, then the truck is actually considering that you modified it. It is probably doing that based on the load being too much, which caused overheating. It fixed the issue by slowing you down. In other words, the truck protected you from you. It also protected you from you after you increased the cushion and rebalanced your load. The other test would be to remove the automatic transmission and go manual. That removes the engineer telling you what you can do. That will allow you to determine whether the components actually could do what you were trying to get them to do. I do not recommend that as you might actually find out what they can do. By the way, that test would not be the worst-case towing scenario. Your torture test is. That is why some trucks cannot even handle it stock. Their components overheat. I do not recommend doing that with the modified truck. There are no gauges on your brakes, but the diesel brake should be trying to handle the overload. It'll get hotter, and that is a gauge that you could still try to monitor. Again, it would be good to compare unmodified to modified on that run to see how the diesel brake is actually handling it. Keep in mind that these are case studies, and that the actual problem with the modification is that the truck's structure and braking could fail earlier over the long-term. The only way to test that is to repeatedly put the truck's structure under load or to try to determine whether the frame is flexing through some measuring device.
I like watching these videos. I noticed something tho. They claim they aren't hitting the brakes but you can clearly see brake lights activating when they switch to the view from the equipment. Is the truck applying the brakes unknown to them or does the truck activate just the lights as the engine is slowing it?
Not sure about this truck, but I know from driving 18 wheelers that when you use the engine brake, it automatically turns on the brake lights. So as soon as I release the gas pedal the engine brake engages and the brake lights come on.
i used to work for a hotshot in the oil patch in nm. we used f350 diesel drw with triple axle trailers. hauled 30,000 pound man lifts all day. off road, on road. trucks did the work no problem. so with trailer we were over 40. wouldnt do it all the time but these trucks are crazy tough
Did you forget this is 7 miles at 7% grade full throttle with 37 inch tires and a 3.31 gear ratio rear end?? That is pretty impressive. Oversize tires tow way harder
Honestly wasn’t really running that hot for being at max load, going up a steep hill at 7% along with 37’s and that lift. Trans wasn’t moving off higher then 220 and the engine wasn’t going higher then that either.
This was exactly what I had been wondering about…going to order one of these EOG trucks…I think the liquid springs gives you a much better suspension setup than a normal truck would.
With that ten-speed, does it really matter as much anymore? Trucks used to come with 4.10s and even smaller tires but now 33" is just average and the gears are 3.20-3.30
@@Dusdaddy agreed. I am not sure where this notion people have saying the transmission has to work harder comes from. Calculating the ratios out, I bet this 3.31 w/ 10-speed is just as aggressively geared down low than the previous 6-speed paired with a 3.73.
@@foreshee10 Probably. But they tested a Tundra with 4.30 gears and it was over 8 mins. against a Ford turbo that was under 8 mins. So many variables today, it's not always gears anymore.
And I'd pull it all day with a 1994 f350 with a 460 gasser... what's your point. Welcome to 2024 where things have gotten more powerful!! More problems, sure!! But they was just doing a video with a Vendors truck. Just enjoy the dang video.
You guys keep hitting it out of the park again and again. This is superior journalism, asking questions, testing, and providing relevant information. When does TFL start doing national and world news?
With the 10 speed the rear axle gear is not as important as most of you think, that motor is gonna run in the rpm it wants and the trans will find the gear, it’s not like the old days with 3 or 4 or even 6 speed transmissions, really the only difference the rear gear is making now is in 1st and 10th for the final drive and they where not in either of those gears but for a few moments during this whole test.
It should be against the law to have a truck carrying or towing a load without adjusting the headlights. I’ve lost count at how many times I’ve been blinded by them. Especially the new ones with LED headlights!!
If you are towing the weight of your trailer is included. They won't even bother to weigh it. I know their terminology is incorrect but try explaining that to the officer. They don't care.
@@mattbrew11 it’s not like I had a resume on your work history or your fleet inventory! Fortunately I’ve ran just about every type of truck on the road as well. I’ll choose at minimum 3.55 gears for HD trucks that carry 25,000 pound loads regularly in the hills and mountains. Less stress on the engine itself and it’ll climb them a lot faster and better than the same truck with 3.31 gears.
Most of the people buying something like this aren’t buying it for work. They might pull their 6k pound boat in the summer and want to have the biggest truck in their friend group. We all know the type
That truck would eat that climb with a better diff ratio. Definitely could use a re-gearing. Great video btw, exposes the limitations of the powertrain.
Broke the intraweb with these 3.31s... 🤦♂️... LOL They never once recommended these gears, remember they just drive what they buy, or manufacturers provide, or other vendors let them borrow. Its okay, obviously EOR didnt mind letting them use their truck to prove a point.. and possibly sell another lift 😉
That's still A LOT of fuel, thats 78.4L/100km for a Diesel, you might as well drive a Bugatti Veyron at that point. But obviously you don't tow 10 tonnes up the mountain every day.
Lmfao, did he say 3.31 diff ratio? Who tf decided that was a good idea, obviously Ford knows this truck was born to run down to the Big Gulp for a speedy reload . Anyone working that drivetrain isnt going with a friggin 3.31 ratio.
Ford does not spec these. There is still an ordering dealer who places the order and it gets shipped to Elevation for the upfit/conversion. Yes, the 3.55 is preferable, but that truck was built in May 23, which was Job 1…the 3.55 equipped axles were a constrained commodity then. Also, the payload on the sticker was based on how it left the factory and does not account for equipment added by Elevation.
A lot of these 6.7s are shipped with 3.31s for some reason,which doesn’t make sense considering how tall the OEM tires are already. This truck would have to slow down more in the summer it was running hot in January .
I don’t know if the diff gearing matters as much as it did in the old days with these 10 speeds. I think the manf also might have different transmission gear ratios for different rear diff ratio combos that can end up making it a sort of a wash. I heard RAM did that with the 8 speed. We need to know the tranny gearing as well as the diff.
Most people use these setups as grocery getters and tow an 8-10K camper on the weekends. Some tow a dump trailer around. Start using this setup day in day out with 15K+ behind it and keep it until warranty is up and tell me how much your “3.31 fuel saving” helped your wallet when you have a worn out power train. A tall rear end gear will make that trans shift all the time, that makes heat. My 2019 PSD with 4.10 will pull away from my 2023 PSD with 3.55 and temps are lower. Yes the 4.10 truck burns more fuel but it’s not worth the premature wear to stay with a 3.55 truck if you’re actually using the truck to over 50% of its rated capacity all the time.
My F350 work truck has 331 gears but it also has small tires from the factory 275 75 17 I pull 20K with it occasionally it does just fine which is probably due to the 10 speed if not careful when I take off I could still break the tires loose
Maybe this is a dumb question, but why does increasing wheel/tire combo weight decrease payload? To me I'd think it wouldn't affect it because the tires are under the suspension, you know what I mean? Like yeah, if you threw those tires in the bed then it would be compressing the springs more and decreasing payload you have left. But I don't see how adding weight to the axles decreases payload.
I guess that makes sense on paper. But logically I don't think it should make a difference in real world application. However, I am not an engineer 🤷♂️
@@ryangansner2162 yeah it's not super intuitive. While the suspension controls the vehicle, it also controls the unsprung parts such as the brakes, wheels and tires. The heavier those items are, requires the suspension to work harder when those things move up and down over bumps or ruts. Kind of like waving your arm without anything in your hand, versus picking up a 10lb weight and trying to wave it just as fast. It takes more effort to bring that weight back under control. Weird example but that was what I first thought of, there's probably some better analogies.
TFL you crack me up. you take the best truck, with the best suspension on the market and say oh a lift dont change anything. Why dont you find a new truck then put a cheap 4 in lift on it and some stupid looking offset wheels like everyone is doing to their truck here in the real world, then tell me how it towes with 20k on it.
I think the end result of these tests push manufacturers to make more expensive trucks.... if it can gross more than 26,000# it's pointless for 99% of truck owners. If you need a truck with that much towing capacity and power, buy sometime like an International truck. Allison 6 speed and 12.4l engine....... there is no sane reason a pickup truck should have these capacities or power. Those trucks already exist.. they are medium duty trucks for a reason..
Awesome vid! Super cool truck! $120,000? Its not that cool. I'm pretty sure I haven't bought that much gas for my 1985 big block chevy 1 ton in 20 years and it gets 8 mpg empty.
You have to use cruise control on the GM trucks because they don't actually have an exhaust brake. It's embarrassing. If you were going to put a big trailer behind this truck consistently, it needs to be re-geared to a 3.73 for sure.
@TFLtruck GM trucks have what they call an exhaust brake. It doesn't work unless it's in cruise control from what im told. My buddy has a 2021 3500 Denali HD and complains all the time it barely works. When you can't tell if your exhaust brake is on or off, that's an issue. Love the videos.
Truck would over heat and break down in the summer heat with that load. I cant count how many brand new super duty's ive seen broke down with a big load. Over priced junk.
Did you say 25000 for the lyft? Kidnapping, are you crazy? That is this ridiculous and $59 that tint the windows. That's ridiculous too I know sure wasn't your money that you spent on it.
Im looking at purchasing a new truck this year. Love your review and testing of it under a load. Alot of great info you're putting out in your videos to ponder before buying something.
Why am I hearing these days that heavier wheel/tires change max payload? The wheels and tires support themselves, no other components carry that weight. There are considerations with gearing changes and reduced torque and hp to the ground from increased rotating mass. However none of that should matter if you are not trying to race loaded.
3.31 with 37s makes for an effective axle ratio about a 3.06. If it were 3.55, it would be closer to that of a 3.31.
I’d say that’s a respectable run given the run time and the lift with being well off in gearing.
I recently had the 4 corner 5 link LiquidSpring suspension system installed on my 26,000 lb motorhome, (Ford F53 Gas Chassis), at the LiquidSpring HQ and manufacturing facility in Lafayette IN. By far the best money that I have spent on this coach. No more leaf springs, no more shocks. Going from driving a 26,000 lb box to now driving a large SUV.
I am sure they are amazing, if they were closer to 12-15k it would be a consideration but at 25k?? It’s just hard to justify that kind of cost.
Man I’d love to see this same test in Phoenix when it’s 110 out. Leaving Phoenix to flagstaff, it’s 6% leaving black canyon city. Less elevation, but an 80 degree temp difference
Came here to say this, either do Ike in the summer or roll down south!
Or the pull up out of the river by Havasu, that’s actually where the manufacturers test in the summer a lot.
Yeah, seeing that transmission temp hitting 235 going downhill when it's that cold out could be kind of concerning.
@@jameshowey9958 that’s where they go to do that government J2807 testing! Fun when you see camo vehicles going up and down that hill
@@kokocostanza2036 same, I was like wow approaching that orange real quick 😳😳
Always a joy to see you guys together! Thanks for the great info!
Thank you for watching.
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Bigger tires lowers your gear ratio as well. Big 37in tires used to need in the 4's in the axles to tow good....that's impressive
Mr. Truck content never fails 👍🏼
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You guys rock as always, 120k???? lol elevation off grid can go fly a kite...
Do you know how much that truck was stock? Lol
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I have no ambitions to step away from my 1995 F350 7.3 but watching all the Ike videos are enjoyable. Great information and great entertainment to see what else is out on the road. I loved your old OBS7.3 pull up the hill! Good content.
Your truck is 95% of us watching dream truck.
Awesome looking truck. The price? Not so awesome.😮
Ike days are my favorite!
Man I wish there was a way to attach a screenshot, I'd love to see these guys to a test on the Coquihalla hwy in BC...
16:40 full throttle for 8 and a half minuets? even with a new water pump on the old 4.6 triton, after about 2 to 3 minuets that 300Kwatts makes the cab so hot that the windows have to roll down when its -35 outside, then sit with the windows down heat blowing with the radiator fan going for a minuet for it to drop back down to being just only a little bit off the cold side of the thermostat. "duty cycle" two very small holes for air to come into the radiator... flimsy ford 8.8 axles 🦧😵💫
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Great video guys! But $25k for a suspension mod sounds ridiculous to me, but I guess that's the economy we live in these days
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I don't know how much stuff we've towed in our life but we've NEVER been to a ⚖️ we just load it with common sense, make sure it drives okay & continue on.. 🆒🎥 guys! Big fan of your work
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Wellllll,,, yeah!! That suspension is sooo impressive. You can run as high as your ego needs or hunker down for better economy and it’s just impressive! At $25,000 it’s a bit expensive but I know of a couple of guys that have near that into their 1 tons for suspension, but their trucks are only tall, period!! No height adjustment, several hundred lbs of parts (I know, I helped them unload everything before the installation,,,. The one that I helped them deliver to the dealership, was installed by the dealership $10,000 roughly there!! 😮😮 he was just over $17,000 and then spent another $6000+ on shocks! He is pushing $24,000 installed! The truck is a F350 so it doesn’t ride particularly nice still and is really tough to get into. I’m 5’8” tall and stare at the middle height of the console from the ground. He has a cable step so if he hits it off-road it just flexes. It’s very heavy cable so is decent to get in, but I still don’t like it. The passenger side has 2 steps so his wife can get in. He has a step stool for other passengers if there’s a group. All unnecessary if you have this Elevation suspension!! The bit of extra $$ is more than worth it. There’s no way he could have towed this trailer!!! He’s too tall and the trailer would need to be lifted 6 or more inches to be level! 😂😂😂. That’s how much he had to lift his 5th wheel camper he tows!! It’s nuts!
I like that truck as it is set up just about perfectly!
Fun video fellas! As usual, you two get along so well and the antics are the best,,,, 😂😂.
Take care & stay safe, Eh! Nice to see ya Mr Truck!!
You have gotta have a lot of stupid money to blow on such a depreciating asset as this. So funny how much is spent and then how many bitch about the cost of a stock truck.
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I have a 2017 F250 with 37” tires and a Carli pin top leveling kit. The Speedo is off about 4% at highway speeds. Also throws off the Mpg readings. My truck has 3.55 gear ration. You need a hyper tech speedo calibrator to get accurate speed and mpg readings. Not sure if the truck in the video had the speedo recalibrated for accurate readings.
Too many think that lifted trucks tow better than a stock truck. RIP sanity. Cue the little man ego. At least the wheels and tires on your mall crawler aren’t low profile and stick way out, like all the guys in Utah.
Good video. Trans temp got a tad high though.
Enjoy that you guys are showing cat scale tickets
I have a question about the speed limit. The sign you showed says 35 for vehicles over GVWR 26,000. Isn’t that truck vastly under that? Or are you treating the GCVW as that 26,000?
Why do you guys run the video backwards? You show the downhill section before the uphill? It seems backwards.
PJ Trailers have an option for a 6" taller riser.
3.31 is wrong gear ratio especially for big tire with lift plus towing trailer
I'd love to see a standard output haul vs ,,,,, would be awesome for the more patient and efficient cats 😇
So, to be clear, no upgrade to power plant or transmission, just lifted?! Come down to Texas, park along IH35 ANYWHERE and you'd have your answer. I think you've jumped the shark tank guys.
If you would load it right, you could add 15 on the trailer and 15 on the truck. And then you're not gonna have any problems.
Diamond C trailer ❤
Andre, what was the efficiency that you got when you took it to Moab?
I still can't get over 6 figures for a pickup truck. This is why I would buy a used XL or XLT model for less than half that.
🎉central California have always known their lifted trucks handle that and more.
that price is nuts,,,,,,,
Badass truck! Better gears and dually would make it a monster tow rig.
These Fords should come from factory with 37" tires. That is a good looking Ford. I like the GM trucks better though.
Great videos guys, I’m curious after all your test whats your options of the best two vehicle
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Put 4:10s in it.
Speaking of diesel it keeps going down again here in ontario. Getting close to the regular gas price again.
Can never understand why diesel isn't cheaper than gasoline, Based off the crude refinery process.
You sure it was 1 brake application?? Brake light lit up here 5:19
Yes, we recorded brake pedal actuation data with Banks - and it recorded zero. We think the brake lights show exhaust brake engagement - although the downhill speed was constant.
@ 1:07 Looks like a nail in the tire
Sure is. When you zoom in you can see it poking out
What section of the tire? I don’t see it.
@@ericgoins5207looks like the sidewall
@@ericgoins5207 it's on the edge of the tire. Pause it on 1:07
Still doesn't answer the question about lifted towing. *Of course* it's going to be brilliant with $25k worth of Liquid Springs under it. The scary rigs are the ones where they tried to get that look on the cheap.
please please please do an ike gauntlet with a 2024 Tacoma and a light(er) car/trailer
This is coming VERY soon. Next week.
Am I the only one that can see that TPMS light on?
I have a feeling you're way off on the way because it's skid. Loader probably 1 ways 10 to 12000 pounds. And that little thing only probably weighs 2000 that push your box on the front of the skid loader plays 1502 1000 pounds.
Is the truck in tow haul mode?
Yep it was in tow haul the entire time.
Okay, this truck ain't for towing heavy, it is modified tongonoff road (it can, doesn't mean it should). The gear ratio shoukd be better. I would go all the way to a 3.92 or a 4.10 gearing (not only for towing, but also for off roading in 37s).
Fuel efficiency is not important here. We are talnking about a truck that was born as a very expensive towing truck and then became an even more expensive offroader. Do you really care about fuel efficiency when you buy a 120k plus USD toy for the dirt? I mean... there are wranglers, Gladiators, 4 runners, Tacomas, 1/2 ton trucks, dedicated 3/4 ton trucks... why a 1 ton? Just because you want it and you are willing to spend over 120k on it. So, fuel efficiency ain't a strong evaluation point for this right?
BTW, the build is awesome. I actually also wanna build an HD truck into a daily and offroader. But I'm thinking about a silverado 2500... it is cheaper, lighter and I like chevy a lot better than ford
Ford motor company has lost me as a customer. DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT BUY A NEW FORD! I made the mistake of buying a 2024 superduty with the 7.3, with the intentions of building it up like people do... you know, to make it cool and capable of hanging out with other cool trucks doing off road truck things. Ford really dropped the ball on this one. Want bigger tires to hit the trails? SOL! want more power to keep up with trucks from 20 years ago? SOL! Ford has converted into a bunch of fun suckers! Everyone needs to know, as of 2024 Ford has upgraded to a fully networked vehicle (fnv) ecu that no longer allows you to tune the truck for mods such as bigger tires, superchargers, turbos long tube headers, I wouldn't be surprised if even a new cold air intake or drop in filter would put this thing in limp mode! And it's not just the F-series, it's also the mustang and everywhere car these fun suckers roll off the assembly line. I highly recommend you reconsider your new Ford purchase because I have they have left us performance enthusiest in the dark. They won't respond to emails and they only give you the run around. Save your money and buy a used car or truck. One that hasn't had all the FUN SUCKED OUT OF IT! I will never buy another new Ford truck or car! Especially at these ridiculous prices. I splurged and I regret it. Don't make the same mistake I did. Unless of course you like being embarrassed by every other generation of vehicle in that class that can be upgraded. Learn from my mistake! Boycott Fords control tactics. It is un-American and doesn't deserve your hard earned bucks!
I think gas would do a better job uphill…in hot 90 degree climate
Thats a good looking truck tried my best to buy a 350. But ram treated me.alot better ford didn't even call me back when i tried trading.
Fat fingers, I meant to post Mr Truck and Andrey
For an accurate comparison, TFL should now test a slammed F-350 towing the same load. Why not, right?
$463,665?
How can you tell it’s a sponsored video?
“At least it’s not $170k” stated as a compliment
World's toughest? Oh Americans always think their stuff is world this, world that. Nothing wrong with the test but there are way tougher roads in the "world". Please stop calling everything "world" when you mean the USA. There actually is a real world outside of USA borders where there are tougher, bigger, better things.
Next time, get rid of the background noise during conversation
You do realize that you are not at max because legally you cannot do max downhill. You slowed down, which kept you from redlining. Huh, it's almost as if the federal government understands that there are yahoos who will be dangerous to everyone around them, and they told you that you cannot do that.
On the uphill, the truck might have slowed you down. You stated that your transmission needed to do something different in order to get best performance. Test it unmodified and determine whether the transmission would do the same thing as that is the only way to understand what the performance was doing. If it is different, then the truck is actually considering that you modified it. It is probably doing that based on the load being too much, which caused overheating. It fixed the issue by slowing you down. In other words, the truck protected you from you. It also protected you from you after you increased the cushion and rebalanced your load. The other test would be to remove the automatic transmission and go manual. That removes the engineer telling you what you can do. That will allow you to determine whether the components actually could do what you were trying to get them to do. I do not recommend that as you might actually find out what they can do.
By the way, that test would not be the worst-case towing scenario. Your torture test is. That is why some trucks cannot even handle it stock. Their components overheat. I do not recommend doing that with the modified truck. There are no gauges on your brakes, but the diesel brake should be trying to handle the overload. It'll get hotter, and that is a gauge that you could still try to monitor. Again, it would be good to compare unmodified to modified on that run to see how the diesel brake is actually handling it.
Keep in mind that these are case studies, and that the actual problem with the modification is that the truck's structure and braking could fail earlier over the long-term. The only way to test that is to repeatedly put the truck's structure under load or to try to determine whether the frame is flexing through some measuring device.
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I like watching these videos. I noticed something tho. They claim they aren't hitting the brakes but you can clearly see brake lights activating when they switch to the view from the equipment. Is the truck applying the brakes unknown to them or does the truck activate just the lights as the engine is slowing it?
Not sure about this truck, but I know from driving 18 wheelers that when you use the engine brake, it automatically turns on the brake lights. So as soon as I release the gas pedal the engine brake engages and the brake lights come on.
i used to work for a hotshot in the oil patch in nm. we used f350 diesel drw with triple axle trailers. hauled 30,000 pound man lifts all day. off road, on road. trucks did the work no problem. so with trailer we were over 40. wouldnt do it all the time but these trucks are crazy tough
I bet you have a few stories to tell.
I realize that that was a heavy load, but getting that hot in near freezing temperatures doesn't bode well
Did you forget this is 7 miles at 7% grade full throttle with 37 inch tires and a 3.31 gear ratio rear end?? That is pretty impressive. Oversize tires tow way harder
Honestly just because of the thermostats in the truck they want them to run at a specific temp range. Those 6.7 have two coolant thermostats.
Honestly wasn’t really running that hot for being at max load, going up a steep hill at 7% along with 37’s and that lift. Trans wasn’t moving off higher then 220 and the engine wasn’t going higher then that either.
@@jackpixley3696 It was freezing, imagine that same load in the summer.
Andre in that little cowboy hat 😂
Word to the wise order the truck with the proper gear spend less money.
This was exactly what I had been wondering about…going to order one of these EOG trucks…I think the liquid springs gives you a much better suspension setup than a normal truck would.
Taller tire I think they should change the differential gear 3.55 or 3.73
Yup that way transmission don’t have to work so hard if have 3.73
3.31 is ridiculous
With that ten-speed, does it really matter as much anymore? Trucks used to come with 4.10s and even smaller tires but now 33" is just average and the gears are 3.20-3.30
@@Dusdaddy agreed. I am not sure where this notion people have saying the transmission has to work harder comes from. Calculating the ratios out, I bet this 3.31 w/ 10-speed is just as aggressively geared down low than the previous 6-speed paired with a 3.73.
My f450 h.o would of been less than 8 mins. There no replacing 4.30 gear. 3.31 with 37" is like a 3.08 gear. That's not enough.
@@foreshee10 Probably. But they tested a Tundra with 4.30 gears and it was over 8 mins. against a Ford turbo that was under 8 mins. So many variables today, it's not always gears anymore.
I’d pull that all day with my old 12v.
And I'd pull it all day with a 1994 f350 with a 460 gasser... what's your point.
Welcome to 2024 where things have gotten more powerful!! More problems, sure!! But they was just doing a video with a Vendors truck. Just enjoy the dang video.
Would love to see this truck regeared with the same load with 3.73! I bet it would be better! Great maxed out test though!
Ford sadly doesn't offer 3.73 in diesel. They only have the 3.31 and 3.55. It drives me nuts that no manufacturer offers a diesel with a high ratio.
@@25ellisd oh yeah in the dually you can get 4:30 but that’s overkill unless you are towing heavy
@@25ellisd, Ram does 3.73s on their SRW diesels.
@@CornFed_3that truck has a 6 speed
@@mattbrew11, so? More gears isn’t always better 🙄
You guys keep hitting it out of the park again and again. This is superior journalism, asking questions, testing, and providing relevant information. When does TFL start doing national and world news?
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With the 10 speed the rear axle gear is not as important as most of you think, that motor is gonna run in the rpm it wants and the trans will find the gear, it’s not like the old days with 3 or 4 or even 6 speed transmissions, really the only difference the rear gear is making now is in 1st and 10th for the final drive and they where not in either of those gears but for a few moments during this whole test.
Could you guys do a review on a Powerstroke with an S&S Diesel Pump?
It should be against the law to have a truck carrying or towing a load without adjusting the headlights. I’ve lost count at how many times I’ve been blinded by them. Especially the new ones with LED headlights!!
That speed limit sign was 35mph for vehicles at or over 26k GVWR. That truck is 12k GVWR. They're confusing GCW with GVWR.
If you are towing the weight of your trailer is included. They won't even bother to weigh it.
I know their terminology is incorrect but try explaining that to the officer. They don't care.
Man those 3.31 gears might be fine for a grocery getter but they absolutely suck for this application. Those liquid shocks are awesome though.
Trucks seems to be just fine with them
@@mattbrew11 guessing you obviously aren’t hauling heavy loads then especially through the mountains.
@@P-J-W-777 I have ~ 140 half tons & 30 HDs in my fleet. I’m definitely a complete novice when it comes to hauling and towing.
@@mattbrew11 it’s not like I had a resume on your work history or your fleet inventory! Fortunately I’ve ran just about every type of truck on the road as well. I’ll choose at minimum 3.55 gears for HD trucks that carry 25,000 pound loads regularly in the hills and mountains. Less stress on the engine itself and it’ll climb them a lot faster and better than the same truck with 3.31 gears.
Most of the people buying something like this aren’t buying it for work. They might pull their 6k pound boat in the summer and want to have the biggest truck in their friend group. We all know the type
That truck would eat that climb with a better diff ratio. Definitely could use a re-gearing.
Great video btw, exposes the limitations of the powertrain.
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Please do a side by side with a 6.7 ho vs a standard 6.7. I am really curious how much different it is on the IKE!
Broke the intraweb with these 3.31s... 🤦♂️... LOL
They never once recommended these gears, remember they just drive what they buy, or manufacturers provide, or other vendors let them borrow. Its okay, obviously EOR didnt mind letting them use their truck to prove a point.. and possibly sell another lift 😉
2:27 Mr.Truck's watch is quite cool.
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3 MPG wow Would cost a fortune to use that in the UK !
Yes but look the weight and size of this set (pick up + trailer), it's normal..
Closer to 4mpg in the UK, as they use US gallons that are smaller than a UK imperial gallon.
That's still A LOT of fuel, thats 78.4L/100km for a Diesel, you might as well drive a Bugatti Veyron at that point.
But obviously you don't tow 10 tonnes up the mountain every day.
Thats going up a steep grade for 8 mins. Thats not the over mpg
We have got to stop letting our perspective slide and say that vehicles are acceptable over $100,000. That is insane
Sit the cruse 5mph below the speed limit it will let you go 5 mph above with no breaks
Andrei is always so happy and vibing nice ❤ love him 😊
Lmfao, did he say 3.31 diff ratio? Who tf decided that was a good idea, obviously Ford knows this truck was born to run down to the Big Gulp for a speedy reload . Anyone working that drivetrain isnt going with a friggin 3.31 ratio.
Ford does not spec these. There is still an ordering dealer who places the order and it gets shipped to Elevation for the upfit/conversion. Yes, the 3.55 is preferable, but that truck was built in May 23, which was Job 1…the 3.55 equipped axles were a constrained commodity then. Also, the payload on the sticker was based on how it left the factory and does not account for equipment added by Elevation.
A lot of these 6.7s are shipped with 3.31s for some reason,which doesn’t make sense considering how tall the OEM tires are already. This truck would have to slow down more in the summer it was running hot in January .
I don’t know if the diff gearing matters as much as it did in the old days with these 10 speeds. I think the manf also might have different transmission gear ratios for different rear diff ratio combos that can end up making it a sort of a wash. I heard RAM did that with the 8 speed. We need to know the tranny gearing as well as the diff.
Most people use these setups as grocery getters and tow an 8-10K camper on the weekends. Some tow a dump trailer around. Start using this setup day in day out with 15K+ behind it and keep it until warranty is up and tell me how much your “3.31 fuel saving” helped your wallet when you have a worn out power train. A tall rear end gear will make that trans shift all the time, that makes heat. My 2019 PSD with 4.10 will pull away from my 2023 PSD with 3.55 and temps are lower. Yes the 4.10 truck burns more fuel but it’s not worth the premature wear to stay with a 3.55 truck if you’re actually using the truck to over 50% of its rated capacity all the time.
My F350 work truck has 331 gears but it also has small tires from the factory 275 75 17 I pull 20K with it occasionally it does just fine which is probably due to the 10 speed if not careful when I take off I could still break the tires loose
On a hot summer day that truck would have overheated
No, because the engine fan cools it down in seconds.
Maybe this is a dumb question, but why does increasing wheel/tire combo weight decrease payload? To me I'd think it wouldn't affect it because the tires are under the suspension, you know what I mean? Like yeah, if you threw those tires in the bed then it would be compressing the springs more and decreasing payload you have left. But I don't see how adding weight to the axles decreases payload.
Payload is really just GVWR minus vehicle weight, so if any part of the vehicle weighs more, it'll technically reduce payload.
I guess that makes sense on paper. But logically I don't think it should make a difference in real world application. However, I am not an engineer 🤷♂️
@@ryangansner2162 yeah it's not super intuitive. While the suspension controls the vehicle, it also controls the unsprung parts such as the brakes, wheels and tires. The heavier those items are, requires the suspension to work harder when those things move up and down over bumps or ruts. Kind of like waving your arm without anything in your hand, versus picking up a 10lb weight and trying to wave it just as fast. It takes more effort to bring that weight back under control. Weird example but that was what I first thought of, there's probably some better analogies.
@@ALMX5DP haha nah that makes sense. Thanks man.
Tires are unsprung weight, should have little to no effect on payload.
People can hate on Ford all they want but numbers don't lie here.
I prefer Ike Gaunlets with less of an infomercial and more gauntlet.
Stay tuned for the 2024 Tacoma Ike that’s coming soon.
TFL you crack me up. you take the best truck, with the best suspension on the market and say oh a lift dont change anything. Why dont you find a new truck then put a cheap 4 in lift on it and some stupid looking offset wheels like everyone is doing to their truck here in the real world, then tell me how it towes with 20k on it.
High output diesel! High output checkbook !!
I think the end result of these tests push manufacturers to make more expensive trucks.... if it can gross more than 26,000# it's pointless for 99% of truck owners.
If you need a truck with that much towing capacity and power,
buy sometime like an International truck. Allison 6 speed and 12.4l engine....... there is no sane reason a pickup truck should have these capacities or power. Those trucks already exist.. they are medium duty trucks for a reason..
Awesome vid! Super cool truck! $120,000? Its not that cool. I'm pretty sure I haven't bought that much gas for my 1985 big block chevy 1 ton in 20 years and it gets 8 mpg empty.
Shed the BS emissions and the thing would pull that hill no sweat. And yes 3.31 gear ratio is not desirable for towing like you guys mentioned
You have to use cruise control on the GM trucks because they don't actually have an exhaust brake. It's embarrassing.
If you were going to put a big trailer behind this truck consistently, it needs to be re-geared to a 3.73 for sure.
GM trucks have an exhaust brake, just not the Auto exhaust brake feature that controls the speed.
@TFLtruck GM trucks have what they call an exhaust brake. It doesn't work unless it's in cruise control from what im told. My buddy has a 2021 3500 Denali HD and complains all the time it barely works. When you can't tell if your exhaust brake is on or off, that's an issue.
Love the videos.
So what did they do like 30 years ago when not even a semi had that much power? They didn’t move bobcats around ever?
Mr Trucks mind is blown rating a F350 SRW well over 120k in his lifetime. 18 wheels were 50k in the 80’s?
That truck was working very hard it seems. Imagine the oil temp if the ambient temperature was like 80 degrees. Yikes!
This set and forget thing on the downhill is the same thing as using cruise control, which you guys don’t let other trucks use. That’s unfair
We used cruise control last time with a 2024 Chevy Silverado 3500 and 2024 GMC Sierra 2500 Duramax diesels.
Truck would over heat and break down in the summer heat with that load. I cant count how many brand new super duty's ive seen broke down with a big load. Over priced junk.
Did you say 25000 for the lyft? Kidnapping, are you crazy? That is this ridiculous and $59 that tint the windows. That's ridiculous too I know sure wasn't your money that you spent on it.
Im looking at purchasing a new truck this year. Love your review and testing of it under a load. Alot of great info you're putting out in your videos to ponder before buying something.
Why am I hearing these days that heavier wheel/tires change max payload? The wheels and tires support themselves, no other components carry that weight. There are considerations with gearing changes and reduced torque and hp to the ground from increased rotating mass. However none of that should matter if you are not trying to race loaded.
The taller tires is what hurts the most with 3.31 gear
10 speed. Look at the ratios in all gears.
Weird. I contacted them, and they quoted 52K for their EOG system installed? For a F350?
Appreciate you all's work but I have seen enough of this truck
The Truck its self weighs 14,000 .LBS. U can’t Hual much.