This is a reference video of unedited footage from inside the cockpit during what the FAA calls settling-with-power (SWP), but what is actually vortex-ring-state (VRS) in an R22 helicopter.
The proper technique now taught is use right cyclic and right torque. You coordinate a turn to the side and get your rotor out of the vortex and then increase collective.
+Diego Mayán I assume you're joking, but for those unfamiliar, "settling with power" means the helo is still sinking even at max power because of the vortex ring state. It's an extremely dangerous situation to be in while flying a helo.
@@magicstix0r today we recognize that settling with power is very different than vortex ring. 100% an R22 can settle with power. Put 2 300 lb pilots in the aircraft and try to bring it into a hover.
@@robertgary3561 LOL being fat and overloading the helo isn't settling with power XD You're not going to have to worry about bringing a R22 into hover with 2 300 pound pilots because you won't be able to get it off the ground in the first place... XD
@@magicstix0r things have changed a lot. Today that is what settling with power is. The phenomenon that occurs when slow in a rapid decent is now called “vortex ring state”. So the answers on the checkride are different now.
Agreed.. you should not 'practice' it.. because you won't ever get better at it.. unlike autorotations say. But you SHOULD be shown what it feels like to get into, ... and how to get out of it. Guaranteed you won't forget it. But an experienced bush pilot will tell you that risk is there everytime you sling a heavy weight on a 50 or 100 ft line, in dead air. ..or a lumber company wants to look at a particular bunch of trees on a mountain slope.. hovering in dead air.
@@HelicopterTrainingVideos settling with power and vortex ring state are not the same thing. Vortex ring state is an AERODYNAMIC reduction in lift. Settling with power has nothing to do with any sort of aerodynamic phenomena. The aircraft is simply descending with significant power applied. If I power slide around a corner and I’m red lining my Honda rice cooker, my tires and their traction haven’t failed, the cars energy is just simply too much to arrest immediately.
Agreed, but because the FAA uses 'Settling With Power' as the name for this emergency procedure maneuver/recovery in the Pilot Test Standards & other material (www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/test_standards/media/FAA-S-8081-15a.pdf ) we use both 'SWP' and the more correct 'VRS' in the title/description to help those looking for VRS by the FAA name.
Who cares what the FAA calls it, it's wrong. A clear explanation in the description is necessary to keep people from believing that VRS and settling with power are the same and to keep the less informed from spreading that myth. What's equally and arguably more important than learning the recover methods(which are usually academic as VRS often occurs at low altitude which often makes recovery unobtainable. Settling with power is a result of poor piloting and/or failure to take atmospheric conditions into account, such as high altitude or high density altitude.) is learning how to identify the signs of both VRS and SWP before they occur and avoiding those signs all together.
I agree with you. I have also updated the video description to make the distinction clearer. But as to 'Who cares what the FAA calls it...' - The main target audience of these videos are helicopter students in the U.S. FAA system, and as already mentioned because the FAA uses 'Settling With Power' as the name of this maneuver, that is also what the FAA examiner will be asking students to demonstrate. So if you are an FAA student looking for videos to help with 'Settling With Power' practical test task...And at the end of the day, the student is trained to avoid, recognize & recover from VRS, regardless of what it is called.
I hear you on what the gov wants or calls it. The problem I have is that pilots get a false sense of knowledge by believing the two are the same and as we know they are drastically different. Have flight schools contacted the FAA in an attempt to educate them and correct this flaw?
225degrees As for FAA changing it's use of the term SWP, seems unlikely... The FAA issued a new Helicopter Flying Handbook in 2012 (with errata updates in 2014) and in chapter 11 (www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/helicopter_flying_handbook/media/hfh_ch11.pdf ), page 9, under the section called "Settling With Power (Vortex Ring State)" it states "Vortex ring state describes an aerodynamic condition in which a helicopter may be in a vertical descent with 20 percent up to maximum power applied, and little or no climb performance. The term “settling with power” comes from the fact that the helicopter keeps settling even though full engine power is applied." But the FAA does have an email for comments/suggestions/errors in their handbooks - AFS630comments@faa.gov
Ah, flying, hours and hours of fun, occasionally punctuated by a few minutes of sheer terror.
Yep
really cool. I'm in the Army currently in flight school we don't practice going into settling with power. it was cool to see, always wondered
This is a reference video of unedited footage from inside the cockpit during what the FAA calls settling-with-power (SWP), but what is actually vortex-ring-state (VRS) in an R22 helicopter.
Great videos. Please keep posting :-)
The proper technique now taught is use right cyclic and right torque. You coordinate a turn to the side and get your rotor out of the vortex and then increase collective.
Yep!
awesome videos! I'll be flying soon!!!
Best of luck - let us know how it goes!
The R22 can't settle with power. It simply has no power at all LOL
+Diego Mayán I assume you're joking, but for those unfamiliar, "settling with power" means the helo is still sinking even at max power because of the vortex ring state. It's an extremely dangerous situation to be in while flying a helo.
Oh come on 5 HP is plenty.
@@magicstix0r today we recognize that settling with power is very different than vortex ring. 100% an R22 can settle with power. Put 2 300 lb pilots in the aircraft and try to bring it into a hover.
@@robertgary3561 LOL being fat and overloading the helo isn't settling with power XD
You're not going to have to worry about bringing a R22 into hover with 2 300 pound pilots because you won't be able to get it off the ground in the first place... XD
@@magicstix0r things have changed a lot. Today that is what settling with power is. The phenomenon that occurs when slow in a rapid decent is now called “vortex ring state”. So the answers on the checkride are different now.
Airbus say this is not a normal phase of flight at anytime. This shouldn’t be practiced and avoided at all costs
Agreed.. you should not 'practice' it.. because you won't ever get better at it.. unlike autorotations say.
But you SHOULD be shown what it feels like to get into, ... and how to get out of it. Guaranteed you won't forget it.
But an experienced bush pilot will tell you that risk is there everytime you sling a heavy weight on a 50 or 100 ft line, in dead air. ..or a lumber company wants to look at a particular bunch of trees on a mountain slope.. hovering in dead air.
It is a required maneuver on FAA checkrides - so the maneuver will not go away any time soon...
Amazing how people think stalling air at the base of the rotor is the same as simply mismanaging inertia….
SWP vs VRS?
@@HelicopterTrainingVideos settling with power and vortex ring state are not the same thing. Vortex ring state is an AERODYNAMIC reduction in lift. Settling with power has nothing to do with any sort of aerodynamic phenomena. The aircraft is simply descending with significant power applied. If I power slide around a corner and I’m red lining my Honda rice cooker, my tires and their traction haven’t failed, the cars energy is just simply too much to arrest immediately.
@@lennymecca968 Agreed
Why are people suddenly getting this all wrong to the point that they chop off the tail rotor?
Because they feel a need to practice it for some reason.
We will await the NTSB conclusions...
And again another video discussing TWO DIFFERENT PHENOMENONS. Settling with power and VRS are NOT THE SAME THING.
Agreed, but because the FAA uses 'Settling With Power' as the name for this emergency procedure maneuver/recovery in the Pilot Test Standards & other material (www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/test_standards/media/FAA-S-8081-15a.pdf ) we use both 'SWP' and the more correct 'VRS' in the title/description to help those looking for VRS by the FAA name.
Who cares what the FAA calls it, it's wrong. A clear explanation in the description is necessary to keep people from believing that VRS and settling with power are the same and to keep the less informed from spreading that myth.
What's equally and arguably more important than learning the recover methods(which are usually academic as VRS often occurs at low altitude which often makes recovery unobtainable. Settling with power is a result of poor piloting and/or failure to take atmospheric conditions into account, such as high altitude or high density altitude.) is learning how to identify the signs of both VRS and SWP before they occur and avoiding those signs all together.
I agree with you. I have also updated the video description to make the distinction clearer.
But as to 'Who cares what the FAA calls it...' - The main target audience of these videos are helicopter students in the U.S. FAA system, and as already mentioned because the FAA uses 'Settling With Power' as the name of this maneuver, that is also what the FAA examiner will be asking students to demonstrate. So if you are an FAA student looking for videos to help with 'Settling With Power' practical test task...And at the end of the day, the student is trained to avoid, recognize & recover from VRS, regardless of what it is called.
I hear you on what the gov wants or calls it. The problem I have is that pilots get a false sense of knowledge by believing the two are the same and as we know they are drastically different. Have flight schools contacted the FAA in an attempt to educate them and correct this flaw?
225degrees As for FAA changing it's use of the term SWP, seems unlikely... The FAA issued a new Helicopter Flying Handbook in 2012 (with errata updates in 2014) and in chapter 11 (www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/helicopter_flying_handbook/media/hfh_ch11.pdf ), page 9, under the section called "Settling With Power (Vortex Ring State)" it states "Vortex ring state
describes an aerodynamic condition in which a helicopter may be in a vertical descent with 20 percent up to maximum power applied, and little or no climb performance. The term “settling with power” comes from the fact that the helicopter keeps settling even though full engine power is applied." But the FAA does have an email for comments/suggestions/errors in their handbooks - AFS630comments@faa.gov