i get their perspective tho. as someone on the spectrum who is bad at sensing those social cues that are supposed to be inherently known, it can be frustrating, because just by being honest you can accidentally violate some unsaid social contract that dictates when to strategically lie - rules that are usually never taught but gathered intuitively. being honest, asking for clarification, and giving constructive criticism are all defined as plainly good or at least neutral acts on their own, but in certain situations you are just supposed to KNOW and SENSE they’re bad in the moment?? it’s never made sense to me, and though I’ve gotten better at sensing those things over the years i still can get it wrong. especially when others are being dishonest and they expect you to pick up on their dishonesty or dislike without them actually saying how they feel, then get mad at you when you take them at their word and assume them to be honest. like, sorry i believed in you and thought you respected me enough to tell me the truth, i guess i’m a terrible person! i’ll just assume you are never truthful about your feelings from now on!! idk i feel like it would be more sane and less confusing for everyone to just be honest, probably because that’s what i prefer to be done towards me, but i know the world just isn’t built that way.
@@B2Roland Used to frequent a site called Spacebattles. Full of nerds without social skills. You can have 100 pages straight of people arguing about fridges or how bending from Avatar works. It's funny only for 10 pages and then it loses its novelty.
I get this entirely. My 4 year old told me a story last night about having a broken heart about her lightning bug friend that drove to our house but then had to go away and all it's bug friends were DEAD. She's never seen a real lightning bugs and only saw one in a book that night. I was starting to laugh at the ridiculousness of the story until I saw the very real tears streaming down her face and had to console her.
As someone who grew up in a family that was die hard arguing about everything down to what % milk to buy at the grocery store and is trying to argue less I have some advice too. Arguing about everything makes people not want to be around you because it's so draining. You don't have to agree with everything, but pick your battles carefully. It will makes everyone's lives easier, including your own.
Man so true. I still remember my parents arguing at the dinner table over what fish we were eating.. they were sitting at opposite ends of the table so it turns out they were both right, just looking at different fucking fish. To this day i'm still learning how to open up to people because from a young age I felt that voicing your opinion inevitably leads to arguments.
@@tb4076 I went the opposite way. If I get locked into my argumentative state I'm ready to fight to the death, figuratively. Some people read me as pretty harsh because a lot of the time as soon as someone say something that might develop into an argument I go hard. Just to try and nip it in the bud. It's an insanely unhealthy reaction but I'm practicing just letting things slide and I'm getting better.
@@SilverionX yo im just like that i fucking love arguing to death and i argue about the most useless shit too, like did you see that recent controversy from amouranth that her husband said something and she did not hear it and then didnt admit that she didnt hear it i could literally see myself having that exact argument dont know if im fucked up or what and since i have so much fun arguing and im so good at it now im like why waste this talent lmao
@@erfaniom9576 I don't think arguing over every little thing is a positive trait. If you can stop when it's not appropriate and you like it, that's fine but I can't stop myself. Also I know most people don't like it and I want to be a fun person to be around. I'm sure I've lost good friends to argument fatigue.
My parents literally never argued in front of me, but I grew up in an extremely conservative, religious, patriarchal household where my mom's opinion literally didn't matter because my dad had the final say on all things. I feel like that's maybe too far on the other extreme of no arguments. Definitely agree that there is a middle ground somewhere between arguing over every little thing and being a doormat.
As someone who mixed up dreams from memories in my young childhood on occasion, I wonder if some of the more imaginative "lies" are them still learning how to discern sleep from reality and if there is a way to tell the difference.
NL explaining the obvious concept that reaffirming other's minor worldviews causes way less friction and awkwardness than contradicting them, then most of chat not understanding, made me remember what the internet can do to people.
Not so obvious to some. Not always from the internet either. Some people have different values - NL values lack of conflict, some in chat probably value their “self-autonomy” or personal principles of honestly over amicability (if they resist his perspective that not acting confrontational can be a net positive)
of course NL loves to argue, the banter style argument is a huge chunk of his career. it's the serious arguments about petty shit that are wild, you're sitting there joking around and then you have the sudden realization they're actually serious and emotionally invested in talking about the health repercussions of sliced bread. serious arguments about serious topics are certainly not fun but not that bad if you find the rare person that isn't insane and can have them without getting emotional.
It's impossible to have a argument that actually means something without getting emotional. Now obviously you shouldn't just start punching and cussing someone, but ya know, if the situation calls.
@@Enuchful I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt since snarky tones are so difficult to judge in a text message. Especially since NL's rants can often use a similar kind of sass, so it's possible people just carry that over without thinking. Their reply is either strangely aggressive or it's a cautionary tale against defaulting to snarky writing.
I don't think neurotypical people are even aware of how often they tell lies like he's describing. Combined with the fact that autistic people take things very literally, such as the advice "you should never lie", and also that he's a father of a young child and this stance makes complete stance. Can you imagine telling a 2-year-old every time they ask you if you like their drawing that you don't like it very much? People lie alllll the time.
you don't have to say "I don't like it" you can say "It's cute/pretty" or other subjective things. You don't have to lie. lol. This is not a neurotypical/neurodivergent discussion it's a discussion about your morality system. Some people's priority is to be honest to themselves and others some just want to get smoothly through life I don't rly like NL's take here.
topic was about lies but this man was spitting truth the entire video. amazing clip because it really highlights the difference between a relatively well-adjusted adult and like, the average twitch chatter.
My neurodivergent ass sat down and listened. Lying good, got it got it got it. Always telling truth causes harm. People don't want the truth. Makes total sense. Got it
I disagree with the way hes saying this. I mostly agree with the larger point but I dont think you have to say MM WOW DELICIOUS when someone makes a meal you dont like. You also dont have to say EW THATS TERRIBLE. When they ask if you like it, you can simply explain why its not to your preference in a way that is useful and also convey that it is still good and you will eat it and be happy about it but you can explain that this particular ingredient I usually dont like too much, or I usually dont eat this spicy so I would prefer it less spicy. There are many ways to have an adult conversation and learn in the process. My mom knows I dont like red bell peppers, I know most people do like them. She tries not to cook with them too much when im there but I also dont make a huge deal if there is some. Im a cook and I like cooking food and working in this industry I understand that people can have vastly different preferences in taste. When I ask someone if they liked the food, Im asking to know if in the future I should make a particular dish that they would enjoy more, because thats the purpose of cooking for me , to make the food that people will enjoy most. So if they just lied and said yes its good everytime even if they didnt love it, I would never be able to finally pin point a dish that truly makes them go WOW ! Maybe NL Thinks he can reply : '' thanks its delicious ! '' and the cook never notice anything ? Its so clear when someone puts the first bite in their mouth and their eyes light up with amazement as they discover a new amazing taste they enjoy. If instead you are just casually eating the meal , not commenting, and only when asked how is it ? then reply its delicious ! It is so easy to see you are just being polite. Im not saying its easy to see that you actually didnt like it, but it just comes off as you are just eating the meal without much more thought process about it, while instead we could be having a passionate conversation about how to make such delicious food , if you truly enjoyed it it wouldve been clear from the start.
I'm a year late, but I don't agree with NL, and I think the lying take is crazy. I normal wouldn't bother to comment, but the comments to this video are bafflingly asinine. My friends and I have formed friendships where we can present our unfiltered thoughts to each other, and express ourselves genuinely, therefor I'm... autistic? Whaddahell Hot take (apparently): You can tell your honest opinion without arguing, and you can be friends with people who disagree with you on things.
There a fun theory I heard one time about the reason other primates havent developed spoken language: the moment an in group develops a proto language they immediately use it to lie to each other to get more food
"I don't really have a internet in arguing" honestly, ive felt like that basically my whole life. Yet sometimes you have to argue your own point out of principle.
I think sometimes you argue with people you love to show something that hurts you and or them But I guess if i met these people irl as strangers, I would literally never talk to them Therefore the value of fielding an argument has the ability to show me something new- or to show the arguer’s inability to find common ground Finding and building common ground being the bread and bones of socializing- as much as pandering to a “friends” silly assertion as the “bread and bones”shows disregard for their intelligence; in my eyes Though I guess leaving people who can’t argue behind, is just as important as this particular take away of “leave behind the argument baiters” TLDR: There exists profitable arguments reaching common ground
imo people technically can, but do they? How many people over 25 have you known who have fundamentally changed something about themselves for the better? If more than zero, did it require a drastic life-changing event to trigger it? People can but _don't_ change
@@Romanticoutlawmany.. people can and do change, a lot and often. its just the most significant changes happen over long stretches of time. I hope you spit that doomer pill out, it'll rot your insides
I thought you said age 25 is the cooking peak, NL? But now you're telling me your MIL's considerably longer experience may have added enough to her skills that any of your seasoning advice would be useless? Huh...
@@mr.dirtydan3338 it is about morals. He values frictionless interactions and conflict avoidance as being for the better of everyone, moreso than honesty. Some people have different ideas about life. Like if socrates valued just getting people to get along he would not have debated all the things he did.
@@vladys5238I don't think he really made it about it being better for everyone. He believes it is easier to lie in certain social situations. I don't think he was making broad moral claims. Though I haven't watched the video in 2 months so I could be wrong
yea like arguing about for example whether or not you should meal prep pb&j sandwhiches would be a waste of time and nl would never engage in something like that don’t be ridiculous
I disagree with his opinion on lying he fails to mention the future consequences of making white lies even about clothing and food. If you don’t tell them how the food and cloths look or taste they will continue to wear cloths that way or cook food that way and bring displeasure and when they finally inevitably do find out through failure they’ll feel more pain than if you had just told them. This is one example but the pattern is lying only stands to stall inevitable social and emotional pain which will show up later but more painful in exchange.
regarding food, it's kind of a respect thing towards his MIL coz if he really didn't like her cooking, telling her would invite more problems than just lying considering he only sees her every so often. for other white lies, it probably comes down to the 5 minute rule, if it's something they can't immediately amend then you're probably better off not telling them
yeah, but what if you're wrong and your taste is just bad and it's not actually that objectionable, you just personally don't like it? I find that to be the case with most white lies
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau Yes I agree in that *specific* situation lying is maybe a favorable risk to take for himself and him alone, though it might hurt her in the long run. In my opinion that is a selfish decision that lacks foresight and wisdom. Even if that was justifiable, which when we look at the big picture it actually isn’t though it’s understandable when living in the moment, he was attacking the *entirety* of lying as a net whole on society and gave his anecdotal experience as evidence. This is what I find offensive and harmful as a large influence on a sizable group. But what am I gonna do about it but share my opinion in a UA-cam comment.
A friend of mine just had another two tattoos on the cheap by their sibling still training, one was pretty good and the other not so much but not awful either. What is the correct amount of lying?
i honestly think he'd have to say that the tattoos are "fine" assuming he agreed to them knowing they're still in training. it's not like you can easily remove them
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau That's what I did, but I think it sounds like polite lying, which of course it was! Edit: Actually, I just did the wow emoji reaction on both pics and just asked a bunch of questions to divert the convo, but it still felt like an obvious deflection tactic.
the incorrect but tempting level of honesty is just to tell them that cheap tattoos are a bad idea no matter who's doing them, and getting a tattoo by someone who isn't already a professional is a losing game
I mean the whole point of lying is to avoid drama. Sometimes that can end well and sometimes it won’t. NL is saying to lie about inconsequential shit, but is not saying or supporting lying for actually important things that can affect your dynamic with the other person. You are over generalizing and trying to make a definitive correlation between events that can be mutually exclusive
@@cameronschyuder9034 literally all lying in the moment does is running away from a problem, causing bigger and much worse drama later. if you look like shit in a dress and your 'friend', or someone you are trusting enough to ask for their opinion, is willing to lie to you over something small like this instead of actually being helpful, you cannot trust them on anything because there will be no way to know or judge if they actually mean what they say to you.
Man, NL's idea of friendship sounds absolutely miserable. Imagine only having conversations with your "friends" to validate each other's bs. Why force yourself to live like that? And why create an environment where lying about stupid shit is preferable to genuinely helping someone/solving a potentially persisting problem? If your friend buys an ugly ass dress sunk cost doesn't apply, you both should want her to look her best. Why lie and cause even more problems? Just sounds like a terrifying, miserable existence.
@@biggrimace6506many people's friendships seem superficial and pointless to me. I can't comment on NL's life as I don't know him lol but age by itself does not necessarily make you smarter or wiser. I do complain to my friends about things and they generally agree with me but when they feel i am somewhat in the wrong they always gently point it out to me and the reverse. If it was just validation back and forth 100% of the time what would be the point even.
@@vladys5238 im sure there are ways to move on without either lying and agreeing or offending by starting an argument. kinda hard to say tho, id think a response like "if you say so" or smth more neutral like "huh really" or "wow" or "thats crazy" could all be good depending on the situation
She got his ass though, airtight lie. He knows its a lie but has no way to prove it to the court.
You think this is bad, this chicanery? She’s done worse. You’re telling me elmo just sings elmos song in her room? No. She orchestrated it. Luna!
plead insanity
If it were a Phoenix Wright game your ass would have to prove that Elmo was real and also the true culprit
@@fesaaj1479You would end up calling the elephant plushie to testify as a witness.
Him calling what Luna said as "an outrageous series of lies" is absolutely hilarious
This is his psycho era.
It reminds me of the John Mulaney bit where he talks about his parents insinuating he was responsible for princess Di’s death
outlandish*
“You guys aren’t gonna make it.” Literally actually laughed out loud.
This, I think, is my favourite NL catchphrase
Dude had me cackling
He was right too 🤣
The way this man manoeuvres through the banter is truly a marvelling sight
"Would you like an autograph? You seem to be a fan of mine" Is so fucking funny
Top tier bants, you love to see it
9:42 absolutely beautiful :)
As a 6th grade teacher, I can attest that almost half of what anyone says is a direct attempt to farm an argument
"in SOME situations you should tell the truth" is my favourite NL quote now
She's learning to banter just like her dad, they grow up so fast.
1 normal person vs 1000s of people chronically on reddit
i get their perspective tho. as someone on the spectrum who is bad at sensing those social cues that are supposed to be inherently known, it can be frustrating, because just by being honest you can accidentally violate some unsaid social contract that dictates when to strategically lie - rules that are usually never taught but gathered intuitively. being honest, asking for clarification, and giving constructive criticism are all defined as plainly good or at least neutral acts on their own, but in certain situations you are just supposed to KNOW and SENSE they’re bad in the moment?? it’s never made sense to me, and though I’ve gotten better at sensing those things over the years i still can get it wrong.
especially when others are being dishonest and they expect you to pick up on their dishonesty or dislike without them actually saying how they feel, then get mad at you when you take them at their word and assume them to be honest. like, sorry i believed in you and thought you respected me enough to tell me the truth, i guess i’m a terrible person! i’ll just assume you are never truthful about your feelings from now on!!
idk i feel like it would be more sane and less confusing for everyone to just be honest, probably because that’s what i prefer to be done towards me, but i know the world just isn’t built that way.
@@sarahbearbabygirlso take good advice, I think he outlined it fairly well.
@@williammitchell6254 i’m cured! thanks❤️ i was just waiting for your comment specifically, now i no longer have any issues with social cues.
@@williammitchell6254this
depends on your morality system. I believe lies to be inherently bad. If that makes me "abnormal" I don't mind.
Source?
My Elephant
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lmao
NL arguing with chat for several minutes about how arguments are bad
Does he look like he's having fun? He's objectively right. Arguments about bullshit are dogshit and pointless.
Well maybe @@B2Roland
@@B2Roland Yes, because everything that's bullshit to you must obviously be bullshit to everyone else.
@@B2Roland Used to frequent a site called Spacebattles. Full of nerds without social skills.
You can have 100 pages straight of people arguing about fridges or how bending from Avatar works.
It's funny only for 10 pages and then it loses its novelty.
"Elmo was in my room!"
"No Luna honey, that's just Jerma peeking into the window again. Shush, get out Jerma! Hush!"
It's segments like these where you really take a step back and remember how great of a wordsmith NL actually is.
Never have I seen someone construct so many strawmen back to back so quickly. It’s honestly impressive.
He builds a strawman like Pygmalion sculpting Galatea
Not a big fan of how hard he went in on Mr. Snuffleupagus there. One of the purest hearted dudes out there.
I get this entirely. My 4 year old told me a story last night about having a broken heart about her lightning bug friend that drove to our house but then had to go away and all it's bug friends were DEAD. She's never seen a real lightning bugs and only saw one in a book that night. I was starting to laugh at the ridiculousness of the story until I saw the very real tears streaming down her face and had to console her.
Be excited. Your child being able to come up with elaborate lies like that is a sign of intelligence.
Knowledge is power. And kids are getting smart these days. ...Maybe too smart 😅
Arguments aren’t necessary as an adult. There’s always a way to stay friendly so long as you aren’t dealing with an idiot.
Everyone is an idiot sometimes, especially you
@@jessh4016 I ate out your mom I think?
@@jessh4016 Nah, just probably someone with a job.
As someone who grew up in a family that was die hard arguing about everything down to what % milk to buy at the grocery store and is trying to argue less I have some advice too. Arguing about everything makes people not want to be around you because it's so draining. You don't have to agree with everything, but pick your battles carefully. It will makes everyone's lives easier, including your own.
Man so true. I still remember my parents arguing at the dinner table over what fish we were eating.. they were sitting at opposite ends of the table so it turns out they were both right, just looking at different fucking fish. To this day i'm still learning how to open up to people because from a young age I felt that voicing your opinion inevitably leads to arguments.
@@tb4076 I went the opposite way. If I get locked into my argumentative state I'm ready to fight to the death, figuratively. Some people read me as pretty harsh because a lot of the time as soon as someone say something that might develop into an argument I go hard. Just to try and nip it in the bud. It's an insanely unhealthy reaction but I'm practicing just letting things slide and I'm getting better.
@@SilverionX yo im just like that i fucking love arguing to death and i argue about the most useless shit too, like did you see that recent controversy from amouranth that her husband said something and she did not hear it and then didnt admit that she didnt hear it i could literally see myself having that exact argument dont know if im fucked up or what and since i have so much fun arguing and im so good at it now im like why waste this talent lmao
@@erfaniom9576 I don't think arguing over every little thing is a positive trait. If you can stop when it's not appropriate and you like it, that's fine but I can't stop myself. Also I know most people don't like it and I want to be a fun person to be around. I'm sure I've lost good friends to argument fatigue.
My parents literally never argued in front of me, but I grew up in an extremely conservative, religious, patriarchal household where my mom's opinion literally didn't matter because my dad had the final say on all things. I feel like that's maybe too far on the other extreme of no arguments. Definitely agree that there is a middle ground somewhere between arguing over every little thing and being a doormat.
How is he talking about not liking dumb arguments it was the entire foundation of the NLSS
@@ryandeklerk9553 he couldn't bear to talk about hot dogs VS sandwiches any longer 😔
Ironically northernlion is the first person who comes to mind when i imagine someone who enjoys bickering about inconsequential topics
Quick psycho phase and back to arguing with chat
chat can be as insane as AITA sometimes, holy shit, the disconnect
in this episode NL explains neurotypical behavior to autistic chatters
As someone who mixed up dreams from memories in my young childhood on occasion, I wonder if some of the more imaginative "lies" are them still learning how to discern sleep from reality and if there is a way to tell the difference.
"I could have cross referenced that pretty quickly" Thats why we love this guy, 10/10 fraiser level comedy day :D
this dude argues with chat literally every day. he was arguing while arguing that he doesnt like arguments.
this is honestly an all-timer NL rant
NL explaining the obvious concept that reaffirming other's minor worldviews causes way less friction and awkwardness than contradicting them, then most of chat not understanding, made me remember what the internet can do to people.
Not so obvious to some. Not always from the internet either. Some people have different values - NL values lack of conflict, some in chat probably value their “self-autonomy” or personal principles of honestly over amicability (if they resist his perspective that not acting confrontational can be a net positive)
@@cameronschyuder9034exactly. Some people have priorities and morality systems which value some things as above "not rocking the boat"
NL is so good at explaining neurotypical social rules to autistic ppl
Why is this true lmao
of course NL loves to argue, the banter style argument is a huge chunk of his career. it's the serious arguments about petty shit that are wild, you're sitting there joking around and then you have the sudden realization they're actually serious and emotionally invested in talking about the health repercussions of sliced bread. serious arguments about serious topics are certainly not fun but not that bad if you find the rare person that isn't insane and can have them without getting emotional.
+2 W opinion I agree love this guy ^
It's impossible to have a argument that actually means something without getting emotional. Now obviously you shouldn't just start punching and cussing someone, but ya know, if the situation calls.
I wish I had half the social intelligence this man has lol
Probably the most based he's ever been. Literally 100% this
This man is giving me banter-whiplash! We went from sweet and wholesome to Big +2 to weird -2 back to +2
This is about as based as it gets, UA-camrs. He’s 100% right about literally everything here.
"If I had a friend, and I could see two arguments on the horizon in the next ten years, I wouldn't want to be friends with them."
@@Enuchful that’s what we call a joke. Most people can parse jokes from the actual message.
I don't agree with everything he says here, but i can't say he isn't based.
@@LexanderMiller Why so aggressive? I think you read something I didn't write.
@@Enuchful I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt since snarky tones are so difficult to judge in a text message. Especially since NL's rants can often use a similar kind of sass, so it's possible people just carry that over without thinking. Their reply is either strangely aggressive or it's a cautionary tale against defaulting to snarky writing.
Mans is fixing my autism
So many good moments here but the full 180 at the very end made me lose my mind hahahahah
Luna's brain is goated if she is already beginning to learn to lie
imagine how much banter luna will have in school with a teacher as great as egghead
Another tome added to the library.
7:19 Saw a chatter say "they deserve the truth cuz they're annoying for asking." Tell me you have no friends without telling me
I don't think neurotypical people are even aware of how often they tell lies like he's describing. Combined with the fact that autistic people take things very literally, such as the advice "you should never lie", and also that he's a father of a young child and this stance makes complete stance. Can you imagine telling a 2-year-old every time they ask you if you like their drawing that you don't like it very much? People lie alllll the time.
you don't have to say "I don't like it" you can say "It's cute/pretty" or other subjective things. You don't have to lie. lol. This is not a neurotypical/neurodivergent discussion it's a discussion about your morality system. Some people's priority is to be honest to themselves and others some just want to get smoothly through life I don't rly like NL's take here.
worth the watch entirely for the last thing he said
i rather not have you in my life if i have to lie to you every interactions to keep up the social status quo
The hard cut at the end of this video is so good I got whiplash
I was raised in the perfect zone to not know Elmo's Song but instead know Elmo's World's theme.
My guy dissing truth like that for pragmatic utilitarian reasons.
Actually 100% based take chat is stupid
As im watching this on my break i hear on the store radio "tell me lies tell me sweet little lies" great timing
topic was about lies but this man was spitting truth the entire video. amazing clip because it really highlights the difference between a relatively well-adjusted adult and like, the average twitch chatter.
My neurodivergent ass sat down and listened. Lying good, got it got it got it. Always telling truth causes harm. People don't want the truth. Makes total sense. Got it
You now no longer have autism
Worlds sanest firmware update just dropped.
Lying is bad.
Absolute masterclass in triggering a Twitch chat. Marvelous.
Luna will be a norbit fan
Nl had the correct take on everything, chats fucked if they actually act like that
Elmo's Song - Blink 182
Elmo's dead?!
If not you're proving NL's argument right lol
10:40 insane take
thank you for including stream date
I'm sorry, Ryan, I know you don't want to hear this, but you need to know: Elmo actually can enter your home whenever he wants.
Based and peppapigged
I disagree with the way hes saying this. I mostly agree with the larger point but I dont think you have to say MM WOW DELICIOUS when someone makes a meal you dont like. You also dont have to say EW THATS TERRIBLE. When they ask if you like it, you can simply explain why its not to your preference in a way that is useful and also convey that it is still good and you will eat it and be happy about it but you can explain that this particular ingredient I usually dont like too much, or I usually dont eat this spicy so I would prefer it less spicy. There are many ways to have an adult conversation and learn in the process. My mom knows I dont like red bell peppers, I know most people do like them. She tries not to cook with them too much when im there but I also dont make a huge deal if there is some.
Im a cook and I like cooking food and working in this industry I understand that people can have vastly different preferences in taste. When I ask someone if they liked the food, Im asking to know if in the future I should make a particular dish that they would enjoy more, because thats the purpose of cooking for me , to make the food that people will enjoy most. So if they just lied and said yes its good everytime even if they didnt love it, I would never be able to finally pin point a dish that truly makes them go WOW !
Maybe NL Thinks he can reply : '' thanks its delicious ! '' and the cook never notice anything ? Its so clear when someone puts the first bite in their mouth and their eyes light up with amazement as they discover a new amazing taste they enjoy. If instead you are just casually eating the meal , not commenting, and only when asked how is it ? then reply its delicious ! It is so easy to see you are just being polite. Im not saying its easy to see that you actually didnt like it, but it just comes off as you are just eating the meal without much more thought process about it, while instead we could be having a passionate conversation about how to make such delicious food , if you truly enjoyed it it wouldve been clear from the start.
-all minus 2s
-Insults redditors
-Becomes all plus 2s
NL knows us bro
He was in a banter flow state that day
I'm a year late, but I don't agree with NL, and I think the lying take is crazy. I normal wouldn't bother to comment, but the comments to this video are bafflingly asinine. My friends and I have formed friendships where we can present our unfiltered thoughts to each other, and express ourselves genuinely, therefor I'm... autistic? Whaddahell
Hot take (apparently): You can tell your honest opinion without arguing, and you can be friends with people who disagree with you on things.
There a fun theory I heard one time about the reason other primates havent developed spoken language: the moment an in group develops a proto language they immediately use it to lie to each other to get more food
"I dont like arguing", argues the man arguing
the people writing comments about how some people want to hear the truth have never had a significant other in their life
The store credit part of the thought experiment
The ending is perfect
NL is the most based human i think
sure but if he chopped you up in a meat grinder, you’d probably be dead
True true many people are saying this.
"I don't really have a internet in arguing" honestly, ive felt like that basically my whole life. Yet sometimes you have to argue your own point out of principle.
the mushroom item is too good
I think sometimes you argue with people you love to show something that hurts you and or them
But I guess if i met these people irl as strangers, I would literally never talk to them
Therefore the value of fielding an argument has the ability to show me something new- or to show the arguer’s inability to find common ground
Finding and building common ground being the bread and bones of socializing-
as much as pandering to a “friends” silly assertion as the “bread and bones”shows disregard for their intelligence; in my eyes
Though I guess leaving people who can’t argue behind, is just as important as this particular take away of “leave behind the argument baiters”
TLDR: There exists profitable arguments reaching common ground
12:00
lol ye
3:55 I'm afraid that Northernlion thinks that people can't change.
imo people technically can, but do they? How many people over 25 have you known who have fundamentally changed something about themselves for the better? If more than zero, did it require a drastic life-changing event to trigger it? People can but _don't_ change
@@Romanticoutlawliterally 10s of people
@@Romanticoutlawmany.. people can and do change, a lot and often. its just the most significant changes happen over long stretches of time.
I hope you spit that doomer pill out, it'll rot your insides
"Man discovers the concept of a white lie"
next up: ryan's take on "mass murder"
that ending is goated
I hate how when he gets a -2 he fights to the death to prove he's right and everyone else is an immature baby
Elmo song doesn't work with names more than 2 syllables
I thought you said age 25 is the cooking peak, NL? But now you're telling me your MIL's considerably longer experience may have added enough to her skills that any of your seasoning advice would be useless? Huh...
The most adult take i have ever heard from him. Also the worst. But holy shit was i laughing the whole time
The smarter kids learn to lie sooner.
bro just arguing with chat for 13 minutes, oh the irony
what did I just witness
Bold of you to assume most people have moral and ethical foundations. Most people just have final positions and reverse engineer their morals.
Was this really about morals? He whole stance is that it makes life easier if you just lie every now and then. Which is absolutely true
@@mr.dirtydan3338 it is about morals. He values frictionless interactions and conflict avoidance as being for the better of everyone, moreso than honesty. Some people have different ideas about life. Like if socrates valued just getting people to get along he would not have debated all the things he did.
@@vladys5238I don't think he really made it about it being better for everyone. He believes it is easier to lie in certain social situations. I don't think he was making broad moral claims. Though I haven't watched the video in 2 months so I could be wrong
takes to her father, I see
It WORKED 😮
Call this man L. Frank Baum with all these strawmen he's creating out of thin air.
I'd say some lies are ok
EVERYBODY lies
yea like arguing about for example whether or not you should meal prep pb&j sandwhiches would be a waste of time and nl would never engage in something like that don’t be ridiculous
I disagree with his opinion on lying he fails to mention the future consequences of making white lies even about clothing and food. If you don’t tell them how the food and cloths look or taste they will continue to wear cloths that way or cook food that way and bring displeasure and when they finally inevitably do find out through failure they’ll feel more pain than if you had just told them. This is one example but the pattern is lying only stands to stall inevitable social and emotional pain which will show up later but more painful in exchange.
Take a +2 in these trying times
regarding food, it's kind of a respect thing towards his MIL coz if he really didn't like her cooking, telling her would invite more problems than just lying considering he only sees her every so often. for other white lies, it probably comes down to the 5 minute rule, if it's something they can't immediately amend then you're probably better off not telling them
yeah, but what if you're wrong and your taste is just bad and it's not actually that objectionable, you just personally don't like it? I find that to be the case with most white lies
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau Yes I agree in that *specific* situation lying is maybe a favorable risk to take for himself and him alone, though it might hurt her in the long run. In my opinion that is a selfish decision that lacks foresight and wisdom. Even if that was justifiable, which when we look at the big picture it actually isn’t though it’s understandable when living in the moment, he was attacking the *entirety* of lying as a net whole on society and gave his anecdotal experience as evidence. This is what I find offensive and harmful as a large influence on a sizable group. But what am I gonna do about it but share my opinion in a UA-cam comment.
I told my grandmother that I like her lasagna, but that I like my mom's lasagna better and I don't think she ever forgave me.
A friend of mine just had another two tattoos on the cheap by their sibling still training, one was pretty good and the other not so much but not awful either. What is the correct amount of lying?
i honestly think he'd have to say that the tattoos are "fine" assuming he agreed to them knowing they're still in training. it's not like you can easily remove them
@@TheLibraryofLetourneau That's what I did, but I think it sounds like polite lying, which of course it was! Edit: Actually, I just did the wow emoji reaction on both pics and just asked a bunch of questions to divert the convo, but it still felt like an obvious deflection tactic.
lie by omission
"wow this one is great" and do not address the other
the incorrect but tempting level of honesty is just to tell them that cheap tattoos are a bad idea no matter who's doing them, and getting a tattoo by someone who isn't already a professional is a losing game
not kant pilled
"most lies are positive" - how SBF gets away with a slap on the wrist
no wonder "normal" people cant go a week without drama, they just lie to each other constantly to avoid actually putting their true feelings out there
I mean the whole point of lying is to avoid drama. Sometimes that can end well and sometimes it won’t. NL is saying to lie about inconsequential shit, but is not saying or supporting lying for actually important things that can affect your dynamic with the other person. You are over generalizing and trying to make a definitive correlation between events that can be mutually exclusive
@@cameronschyuder9034 literally all lying in the moment does is running away from a problem, causing bigger and much worse drama later.
if you look like shit in a dress and your 'friend', or someone you are trusting enough to ask for their opinion, is willing to lie to you over something small like this instead of actually being helpful, you cannot trust them on anything because there will be no way to know or judge if they actually mean what they say to you.
If food is not good you absolutely do not say it is "really good"
Yes, it definitely is
Northernlion is too adult pilled for a generally young twitch/youchoob audience.
Man, NL's idea of friendship sounds absolutely miserable. Imagine only having conversations with your "friends" to validate each other's bs. Why force yourself to live like that? And why create an environment where lying about stupid shit is preferable to genuinely helping someone/solving a potentially persisting problem? If your friend buys an ugly ass dress sunk cost doesn't apply, you both should want her to look her best. Why lie and cause even more problems? Just sounds like a terrifying, miserable existence.
i mean he’s an adult man in his mid thirties I assume he has a solid idea of what friendship is
noob
@@biggrimace6506many people's friendships seem superficial and pointless to me. I can't comment on NL's life as I don't know him lol but age by itself does not necessarily make you smarter or wiser. I do complain to my friends about things and they generally agree with me but when they feel i am somewhat in the wrong they always gently point it out to me and the reverse. If it was just validation back and forth 100% of the time what would be the point even.
Remember, there is no middle ground between lying to someone and horribly insulting them.
@dogecoin investor "I like it in principle"
Yeah like I won't purposefully offend them but I won't say a clear lie just to make it smooth?
@@vladys5238 im sure there are ways to move on without either lying and agreeing or offending by starting an argument. kinda hard to say tho, id think a response like "if you say so" or smth more neutral like "huh really" or "wow" or "thats crazy" could all be good depending on the situation
Chat learns the nuances of social interaction
one of the best rants thank you for saving it