I'm a leftie but I just love Marshall and Saagar. They are intellectually honest actors. They criticise policies or political strategies based on their informed opinions as opposed to some strict party line, it actually makes me more receptive to hear views from the right because they are authentic and I trust them. Brilliant interview guys!
Same boat. I actually appreciate the honest right. Cause when Saagar is honest about his exceptionalism and nationalism, then at least we can have a real convo. You don't have to spend all your time swatting the propaganda, you can actually discuss the real differences. First step to resolving problems is admitting there's a problem, and what that problem is. lol
Saagar does not seem all that informed when it comes to the war on drugs and the results of it, though. He was talking about addiction and marijuana in the same breath, really???
@@ODoyleIYourFamilysGoingDown He's conservative, socially. So that viewpoint is that drugs are automatically BAD. Changing your mind state, being addicted to stuff, etc. Grew up with immigrant parents. Even smoking should be illegal as far as they're concerned. lol It's a mindset. It's a worldview. Whether it's scientific or not (we're still in the infancy of marijuana studies so we can't chest thump too hard), it is a very popular view. It's something we have to deal with without just calling them stupid. I know, it's hard. I'm not gonna lie and pretend I stick to my own advice. I don't most of the time. lol I'm just sayin, that's the correct way. Let's talk to them rationally. What's the difference between coffee, nicotine addiction and alocoholism? Why is morphine legal but medicinal marijuana derivatives are not? All the industries involved in this - from private prisons to the COs who work there to the small business that manufacture n provide the boots, handcuffs, buttons, the cafeterias and parole officers - when they come out opposing the legalizing of a relatively benign natural plant, do we really accept that it's good faith opposition? When we know that they're on the same side as big pharma, and they would loose half their business? Last time I checked, something like 40% of people in the justice system were there cause of marijuana. That's a lot of unsold boots if legalization happens. Also, cause they're conservative, you can appeal on like tax grounds, reducing crime, etc., etc.
@@ODoyleIYourFamilysGoingDown it happens. Haha. He’s quite young. The propaganda war on drugs with misinformation galore was an exceptionally strong movement, brain washing generations. His more recent statements referring to how complex his feelings seems much more accurate. God created mind expanding drugs. The CIA & pentagon weren’t/(still aren’t?) down with that kind of social progress. Evangelicals/ bible thumpers/ Republicans really should keep that in mind. Manufactured drugs are far far more dangerous.
@@AZOffRoadster Krystal used to work for MSNBC so don't think you will see her there anytime soon esp since her new project puts them to shame everyday and pundits who wanted to even cover Bernie in 2016 were fired (Ed Schultz). CNN has had her surprisingly and maybe they both will end up on Tucker Carlson soon since he gives populists more air than anyone else. Just share rising UA-cam vids with everyone you know. Then we can cut out the bullshit propaganda of the MSM
I’m so impressed with this conversation. It’s so nice to hear beliefs conveyed without emotional pushback and/or defensive positioning. Both have understandable points that are beyond valid.
If you enjoyed this, you should definitely check out their show on The Hill's UA-cam channel. It's a totally fresh format, they speak to people on both sides of the political aisle and it's ALWAYS polite, civil, respectful, but also totally honest and doesn't pull any punches. It's an amazing antidote to the escalating partisan tribalism of late, it's like a prototype of what we'll be doing in the future. I'm Australian and not affected much by American political machinations, but I've been watching Rising religiously since they started mid last year just because it's so refreshing and enjoyable, I can't go back to anything else. Both of them are also awesome hosts, super knowledgeable & insightful, also light-hearted and always ready to poke fun and have a laugh. Give it a go and you'll wonder how you ever watched anything else.
Lachlan Bell I subscribed 2 or 3 months ago. Gave up on cable news during Bernie’s first run. TYT, Majority Report, and all of their offshoots led me to Krystal and Saagar. I love the balance of these two. Actual discourse between opposing frames is so needed, as an example of what we should be doing as a populace.
@@philtronnn out of curiosity, do you still watch TYT or the Majority Report? I can't handle either of them, used to love TYT but can't stand them these days. Don't know if Seder's show was ever good at some stage, but I first found it last year and to me, it's the most cancerous political show in the general sphere. Maybe there's some legit Stalinesque people out there, but of the stuff I've seen that's mostly within the overton window, I've found TMR to be the worst. Curious if you still follow one/both of them? And if so, what do you like about them, or what value do you feel you get from them? Genuine question, I'm always wary of being blind to the positive aspects because of any bias or preconceived ideas I might unwittingly be allowing to cloud my judgement.
Lachlan Bell not so much TYT these days. Occasionally if something in my feed sparks an interest. MR almost every day. Typically podcast. I like Sams take on things given his prior life/work experience, and his ability to debate and defend positions. I’m also a huge fan of the in depth interviews that he does. I love the long conversation format, an have picked up some crazy little gold nuggets thru that. I personally vibe with most of the views, and I appreciate the comedic aspect adding levity to sometimes hard/sad/concerning news. I think the thing that I like most about the MR is that Sam has allowed his platform to become community. He’s got thoughtful, educated kids on that team, and he’s created a space for them to explore their own views, assimilate info, and then regurgitate what they find back into the community conversation. And they’ve all got side podcast projects where they are going deeper into their specific interests. The humanity, and organic growth, that I’ve heard over the last 4 years and continue to hear every day is what keeps me coming back. Learning combined with regular daily discourse amongst a variety of age groups and mindsets is a really interesting experiment to listen to, or at least it has been for me. Also love the shit out of Chapo Trap House. I don’t think too much about getting indoctrinated by another persons undercurrent belief systems (Stalin, Marx, Friedman, Smith, or whatever) because every human has a whole world of experience that has led them to where they are today in their personal human evolution. And I believe everyone’s personal experience is completely valid and has value. I don’t always agree, but differing views make me question my own programming, which I find important for my own continued search for enlightenment, and evolution. My conversations, debates, arguments, and empathy for other human viewpoints have become much stronger thru taking in what my heart and the universe leads me to; weather that means rabbit holing on UA-cam, following breadcrumbs from one show to the next, or taking suggestions from friends or completely random people in comments sections. I just trust that if I keep the mountain top of Loving and Learning on my life’s horizon, that the universe is going to allow me to keep seeing connections regardless of what information I’m putting into my brain. All these different views are opposite sides of the same coin. The dark and the light. But you can’t have one without the other. It’s all a big game of loving to learn, and learning to love. About the yin and yang of my own nature, and that nature amongst our earthly humanity. For shits and grins. My main go to’s these days are; -Majority Report -TMBS -Pitchfork Economics (can’t suggest this pod highly enough. Everyone should listen to every podcast they’ve done. Absolutely mind blowing content) -Chapo Trap House (I’m 43 and these kids are so f’ing smart. I enjoy the humor, though some of the more nuanced stuff goes over my head. This kids are doing live shows in primary states, and it’s impressive to see kids so passionately involved in the revolution) -The Hill (only The Rising) -Humanist Report -Kyle Kulinski -Rational National -David Packman -Ed Mylett (awesome pod) -Jim Kwik -Super Soul Sunday’s And to round out all that shit, on the spiritual side I listen to a lot of; -Alan Watts on UA-cam (always thought and insight provoking) -Abraham Hicks podcast and on UA-cam. On the recent audible front; -Utopia for Realists by Rutger Bregman was eye opening -Becoming Supernatural by Dr. Joe Dispenza is pretty wild. -The Monk who gave away his Ferrari is off to a good start I drive a lot for work, so I have the amazing opportunity to soak all of this info up during my work days. Blessings from the universe. And blessings to the universe for the opportunity to be an active, and aware, part of it.
@@lachlanbell8390 Try the Michael Brooks Show. I strongly prefer it to The Majority Report as he's got a much better handle on the political theory yet isn't dry or "wonk"-ish at all. He goes on Rising every so often.
Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti are on point. They are the future of both their preferred major political parties. The RNC has come around to it through Trump, although slowly. However, the DNC is fighting like hell to reject much of progressivism due to money and elites.
People like them must be careful though. They are both under assault from a left and right establishment pincer manouver. From the left see the Buttigieg and Bloomberg campaigns. From the right organisations like Turning Point USA. Both are establishment operations and they want back in power.
@@jimbullock8178 If you're talking about Booty Judge, then yeah absolutely, he's no progressive, far from it! He's a McKinsey corporate spook who talks in empty platitudes while he's planning on robbing you blind while getting you to not only tolerate it but even possibly ask for more. Warren has betrayed the progressive movement 🐍 . She did good work with the CFPB, but she is no leader, isn't interested in building class consciousness and solidarity, etc. Bernie is the *only* one that is a true progressive while also having a very real chance to be elected (a VERY good chance actually!)
Like humor, I don't see the Republican party ever embracing progressivism. FDR is the only rich progressive I can think of. Some rich politicians are liberal...but just barely.
Thank you to both saagar and Krystal for always having respect for your audience by dressing so classy You both are a joy to listen to and a joy to watch
So refreshing to see people talking about differences in thought and beliefs, not with hatred and vitriol but with honesty, openness and curiosity. Saagar and Krystal show us a blueprint for how to have a discussion with the intention of finding common ground, and poking at the edges to find maybe consensus and places for compromise. I love their show, and it looks like I'm going to have to check out the Hudson Institute as well. Thanks for posting this!
Such an important discussion. Krystal and Saagar bring so much to the table. It is truly a loss that these issues and their depth are not explored more in mainstream media. So glad for Hill Rising and to have these amazing talents!
I like Saagar, and I massively disagree with him on marijuana legalization...but of all the times I’ve heard him discuss it on Rising and elsewhere, how has no one asked his stance on alcohol? I would actually really respect his position if he’s consistent enough to also support making alcohol illegal.
I like Saagar as well, he's sincere, mostly insightful, mostly reasonable...a refreshing improvement overall, compared to other so-called "conservative" commentators. But he appears to have been indoctrinated into relying on simplistic, totally failed, authoritarian solutions to drug issues (all drugs bad...prohibition good...really?) that leave me slightly wary about where he's coming from on other important issues. Krystal appears better informed and rational on this issue. Basing one's political and social views (which affect all of society) on one's personal preferences is egocentric and a major mistake.
Krystal and Saagar wrote a good book. They should get together with Thomas Frank, the author of Listen Liberal. Get him on Rising. Social Security was enacted in the 1930's. It is about time for another big change for a better America.
He's much less tribal than Krystal. I've been watching their show practically every day since they started and I'm a big fan of both of them, but Krystal is more deeply ideological. She has pretty left-wing values, which is fine, but she tends to take it as a given that these quite left-wing interpretations are objectively reflective of reality. She seems to lack the ability/skill of detaching her emotions and understanding the issues from different perspectives. Saagar is much better at that, which I think is why he's almost always bang on. I just clicked - one of the really surprising things discovered by research into the psychology of morality is that conservatives generally have a pretty accurate understanding of how progressive types see the world, but progressives cannot accurately identify why conservatives see things differently. Has to do with the relative value each side places on the respective core moral foundations, too much to explain here but fascinating nonetheless.
@@lachlanbell8390 I think that you don't get to see that Krystal may not be so tribal because Saagar is forced to talk about the left every day because of the democratic nominations. I think if it was the Republican primary, you would see the same from Krystal, giving her views on the right in a fair way.
@@MCHD15 Perhaps you're right in as much as she may give credence to some of the arguments made by conservatives, but I don't think it would change my assessment. I'm very interested in the psychology of morality and have gotten pretty deep into the research, so I can tell a lot about how someone thinks & perceives the world by listening to how they interpret events. Doesn't particularly matter whether they're talking about democratic or Republican primaries, what matters is how they interpret the world and what meaning they attribute to things. Krystal sometimes says things that indicate she's less flexible in her thinking, and by extension her ability to see multiple sides of the debate.
Lachlan Bell uh lol “detaching her emotions”. Im not sure what emotions you’re talking about, but both of them seem totally composed in this interview. Without any supporting context your comment reads as sexist nonsense. If you think Krystal has clouded emotional judgment about something do tell, but it seems like you’re content to leave your comments vague. In terms of you characterizing her as more ideological (once again without reference to specific things she’s said), I would say they are both equally ideological and pragmatic: both are similarly concerned with values of the working class in America and actual policies that can get support those values, but are realistic in what they believe is achievable and effective (e.g. in their discussion about immigration, in which both lay out their value systems and the solutions they think would best support the American middle class). Maybe it’s you that’s unable to form an empathetic connection to what Krystals saying that leads you to such mischaracterizations
These two, Krystal and Saagar, will be remembered in history for when politics in America was becoming more realistic and better focused. Left, right, center and any other direction could be discussed in a manner that allowed realistic and visionary ideas could come to the fore. Thank you.
Well, not so sure they are reactionary. China is using what they learned from The Opium Wars on to their biggest competitor, Murica. Investigations have shown the Red Army owns many companies manufacturing meth, and exporting it to Murica...😏
@pproust this is the mindset of the left. “DRUGS MAKE HAPPY HURR DURR” this comes from people that have never actually felt true happiness of a disciplined life.
Except scarcity is a real thing, cheap robotics will replace tons of low skilled jobs.. I own a small engineering firm and someone came to us with a restaurant project that uses these little electronic food delivery robots (kind of like how some sushi restaurants have boats that float around) with a snap he cut the size of his staff by half. This will continue to happen across the board...
Hope does not pay the bills Fear will make you save money for the day you may not be able to pay a bill. Also hope can get you in trouble... I hope this works... never want you want to here from an engineer or a pilot
Pedro Barrenechea you’re using anecdotal absolutes, keyword I had used was “more”, meaning it’s relative to and not absolute to. I think there’s a misunderstanding but I will address the reasoning of your anecdotes which have very little to do with my prior statement. You give “hope” an absolute non tangible example and marginalized to a figure of speech while giving the reasons behind “fear” the flexibility of meaning from anecdotes. This is irrational. Also I wasn’t arguing whether hope or fear was better than the other, a balance of the two is ideal but like I said, the persons mentioned were “more rooted than”. That being said, Saager’s fear lead him to say that we should send the MIC to China .... An irresponsible thing to say, China has nukes and getting to a hot war with nukes doesn’t benefit anyone.
Marshall, You Got Game ! First time I'm aware of, that you didn't look like a deer caught in the headlights. Bring that confidence to Rising when you co-host.
Saagar how about instead of automatically accepting a wasteful massively expensive resource-draining military-industrial complex we convert it to rebuilding America's infrastructure at home including a renewable energy grid and stronger levees to protect our farmlands. Why not instead we make an enormous investment in diplomacy and global economic populism that invests in the working class around the world such that people will become our allies because we help people, not because we have aircraft carriers off their shores and funnel billions of dollars into various countries oligarchies through their military industrial systems!
I commend Saagar for having this discussion, but he is basically advocating for a police state. We must stop criminalizing everything and start meeting people’s needs. I’m not saying we don’t enforce laws, let’s just be smart about when to be punitive and when to help someone down on their luck or suffering from addiction. You know how we stop addicts from dying from fentanyl? Have drug testing and injection sites to make sure they are taking drugs safely and give them access to mental health programs and other supports. If we spend all our resources on interdiction, we can’t possibly direct our attention to policies that would actually save lives.
This was awesome! Very informative and helpful, I do agree a bit more with Saagar (lol), however I am starting to see and open up more to Krystal's views, lol. Look forward to reading your(s) book! God Speed and God Bless!
I love the Rising because Krystal and Saagar are always on point on the real issues. They have such great chemistry. Saagar is a Republican and yet I agree with him on a lot of issues and I consider myself as a progressive.
💙☮️🌍🌎🌏☮️💙 Interviews with both Krystal and Saagar bring out the best in both of them! Ya’ll need to do more interviews together. Jimmy Dore !?!! ☺️ Marshall does a great job interviewing both here. The personal relationship seems to really aid the ease and flow of the conversation here. Second time watching this episode. Why are Saturdays on UA-cam so s l o w? Populism needs to snowball. So fed up, outraged, & BORED with business as usual. Thanks guys for inspiring beneficial change where ever you can!
"Accumulated capital understood that a way to buy off the identitarian left was to simply embrace their identity so that they don't ask questions about their supply chains in China, shipping jobs overseas" Saagar summed up many things in the world with this sentence. Genius.
Saagar, that's just like, your opinion man, lol. "Drugs are bad" is a three-year old's statement. You don't need me to take apart that argument. You're smart enough to do it yourself.
Even my 60 year old dad is constantly yelling into the void: Stop talking about race and talk more about class, because one of them has the potential to divide us while the other one unites us, leads us to common ground, where then we can work on things like race with people we now see as comrades and allies.
Boy, Saagar doesn't know anything about marijuana, or drug issues in general. As Krystal pointed out, our drug wars have FAILED. As she also points out, the core of his arguments on this subject are about issues of economics and capitalism. They're both pretty sharp on political issues in general.
Well geez, I guess it depends on how you define "sharp". Facts at the ready, able to put together clear rebuttals of nonsense from mainstream talking heads, on the spot. And able to give cogent analysis of various issues and problems. I'd call that sharp, among other descriptions.
@@tspicks4360 I guess. But you are probably giving too much credit. Most of it is regurgitation of a progressive perspective, with Saager attempting to sound intelligent by hopping between topics and pretending to be a conservative talking head.
@@Zeegoner How do you exactly expect people to convey their viewpoints without "regurgitating" them if they haven't changed?? You cant express a perspective multiple times without regurgitating. Sounds more like u just disagree with them lol
@@MCHD15 To report the news and not attempt to give analysis. I am glad they exist and they will improve over time (I hope). But today I skip half of almost all their videos
I came here to comment on Saagar’s shoes and socks. I am late to the game. Great interview. Marshall is great at questioning and listening. These kids will go far.
We need to go beyond unions. We need a democratic economic system, where the business decisions are made by EVERYONE in the business, not a tiny group of owners. We already have them - they're called worker co-ops - but somehow we need to support & grow this sector. No reason why we have to work for bosses - aka capitalism - we can control our own work lives!
And if everyone shares in the decision, does everyone also go bankrupt if the business fails? Or just the guy who invested in it? And there is nothing stopping any business owner right now from creating a worker co-op.
@@botousai Yes, everyone would. They're technically possible to do now, and some exist, but it's very difficult to get loans for distributed power structures like co-ops. The legal system isn't really set up to make them viable or easy to start up and run. I think these legal reforms are needed to help get them set up and operate. I ALSO think that they should get large tax incentives over capitalist companies, because they are a mechanism for fighting wealth inequality, and so preventing the corruption of the democratic system through massive power imbalance. This is an important function deserving of tax incentives. It will reduce the need for social services and so balance out economically, through reduced utilisation and so costs to social services.
I agree that co-ops are a much more democratic alternative to the corporate system. I don't think they're a total panacea, though; worker-owned enterprises are still private enterprises with all of the market-based incentives to keep prices low and maximize profit that impel private companies to abuse the environment, to find suppliers that exploit the hell out of their workers, etc. So co-ops will continue to need careful regulation.
Interesting that whenever this was recorded they didn't predict Klobuchar in the top 4 in NH...they did eventually change their prediction before NH to the correct outcome...
I've been on the new left since the 90's when I began to come of age. Read about Eugene Debs in high school, later traveled the world and learned about the socially democratic European model and have been waiting for a revolution ever since. And on the topic of Sagaars's views of U.S. power projection, I'll do him one better. We don't need to be in the Middle East or protecting Europe or Asia. But we do need to be in space and in the cyber-world. That is the future of any potential warfare/military threats. We need to allow our allies to develop their own military forces and protect themselves. But if we want to safeguard our own national defense down the road, then cyber and space based warfare is will be the new frontier.
"Populism is not an ends, it's a means." The very impetus of the show Rising is a seeking of consensus. This point is not stressed enough. But, the problem with gaining consensus is the inclusion of those who prefer hierarchy. Defining where holistic and healthy are abandoned and sociopathy is introduced will determine the limits of hierarchy's usefulness. There have been sizable societies operated with consensus.
I absolutely had to check this out never heard of this podcast probably not going to care about anytime after it but I had to see what crystal ball and cigar were up to
Krystal is not just a stunning young woman but the intelligence of her views and stances are just brilliant. There is hope for the future with these two.
27:30 You are fundamentally misrepresenting a large portion of the Left/Socialists. We don't think America should be the sole arbiter and source of world policy (and also foot the bill as its enforcer) while we starve our population at home. We think we should be pro-American business, but not to the extent that we go into other countries and overthrow them to keep sweetheart deals for nominally American corporations (Re: South and Central america for the last 50 years). We think our global militarism and foreign policy is actually a large driver behind any immigrant problem we have right now - people fleeing central america to the USA is a direct result of USA foreign policy, and we demand a change to both rather than just a wall to try to keep them out. We think the hostility and disdain for which we treat current and future allies is driving them into China's arms.
Indeed, the new gen has left economics but a lot more conservative values. Not to be confused with religious values like abortion, but conservative ones like the importance of the family unit and community.
"the importance of the family unit and community. " That ship has sailed, umiluv. If they were ever con values rather than just con hype and talking points. We're in the age of trump now and not even the most deluded person would confuse him with someone who respects the family unit and community.
@@salassian3162 Nah, man. You got no idea how many young people have become socially conservative and fiscally flexible. Trump is for the Qoomers. SocCon is for the zoomers.
I would love to hear Krystal and Saagar’s reaction to Iversen’s proposal of conservative populists and liberal progressives forming a third party together. I think this needs to happen to address the true political divides in the country. I for one would vote for a Sanders-Bannon ticket, or even a bit more technocratic version, say a Kasich-Yang ticket.
I love this. Two people who tell the truth and speak with integrity I may disagree with Saagar about certain topics (immigration, drug legalisation) but I trust him far more than any MSNBC hack! Krystal is a treasure and an amazing progressive ally. Both of them are head and shoulders above most mainstream pundits. Thank you for this awesome discussion!
I agree with Krystal regarding the need for stronger unions. A stronger (and honest) union would be a balance to resolving trade, immigration and healthcare policies.
Great show. Krystal & Saagar are the best! I've subscribed. I'm surprised that when they talk about the current US drug crisis they don't explicitly mention the Sackler family and how they pushed Rx opiates which was part of the genesis.
i am a progressive ..but saagar has some valid points on drugs being to powerful but we need to make weed legal to home grown .. and illegal to any corporation .. very good pod cast
yes, the one world gathered all the oligarchs under 1 plan and now the masses are revolting! Yes, Krystal, where are the masses moving too is the question
My view - if we increase the strength of communities and the wealth we all share we improve the foundation for the development of personal strengths, freedoms and wealth. We also increase the strength of democratic institutions.
I'm a socialist, but I agree with Saagar when it comes to US force projection. With all its flaws I still prefer American global hegemony over Chinese global hegemony. Just saying.
@@Fangtorn it is to a certain degree. One less country we make trades with the Chinese just jumps in. And the sad part it might be even fair ones. Where i give major props to Trump something had to be done with China. But obviously not the way he did it
I guess the fact that I didn’t hate anything either one of them said leaves me out of the center, and I’m here for it! I’m more on the Krystal side than the Saagar side to specify. Centrism is boring and puts people to sleep! Nobody is turned on by beautiful lukewarm sentiments and platitudes in politics. Unless you’re a loser centrist. Lol. Can’t wait til your book gets here guys! 😊
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Very refreshing discussion from two of my favorite cohosts: Krystal and Saagar. Great interviewer as well.
It’s good to see two people with different ideologies still connect with each other.
Political grifters is all they are.
I'm a leftie but I just love Marshall and Saagar. They are intellectually honest actors. They criticise policies or political strategies based on their informed opinions as opposed to some strict party line, it actually makes me more receptive to hear views from the right because they are authentic and I trust them. Brilliant interview guys!
Same boat. I actually appreciate the honest right. Cause when Saagar is honest about his exceptionalism and nationalism, then at least we can have a real convo. You don't have to spend all your time swatting the propaganda, you can actually discuss the real differences. First step to resolving problems is admitting there's a problem, and what that problem is. lol
@@zakichoudhary507 couldn't agree more ☺️
Saagar does not seem all that informed when it comes to the war on drugs and the results of it, though. He was talking about addiction and marijuana in the same breath, really???
@@ODoyleIYourFamilysGoingDown He's conservative, socially. So that viewpoint is that drugs are automatically BAD. Changing your mind state, being addicted to stuff, etc.
Grew up with immigrant parents. Even smoking should be illegal as far as they're concerned. lol It's a mindset. It's a worldview. Whether it's scientific or not (we're still in the infancy of marijuana studies so we can't chest thump too hard), it is a very popular view. It's something we have to deal with without just calling them stupid.
I know, it's hard. I'm not gonna lie and pretend I stick to my own advice. I don't most of the time. lol I'm just sayin, that's the correct way. Let's talk to them rationally.
What's the difference between coffee, nicotine addiction and alocoholism? Why is morphine legal but medicinal marijuana derivatives are not? All the industries involved in this - from private prisons to the COs who work there to the small business that manufacture n provide the boots, handcuffs, buttons, the cafeterias and parole officers - when they come out opposing the legalizing of a relatively benign natural plant, do we really accept that it's good faith opposition?
When we know that they're on the same side as big pharma, and they would loose half their business?
Last time I checked, something like 40% of people in the justice system were there cause of marijuana. That's a lot of unsold boots if legalization happens.
Also, cause they're conservative, you can appeal on like tax grounds, reducing crime, etc., etc.
@@ODoyleIYourFamilysGoingDown it happens. Haha. He’s quite young. The propaganda war on drugs with misinformation galore was an exceptionally strong movement, brain washing generations. His more recent statements referring to how complex his feelings seems much more accurate. God created mind expanding drugs. The CIA & pentagon weren’t/(still aren’t?) down with that kind of social progress. Evangelicals/ bible thumpers/ Republicans really should keep that in mind. Manufactured drugs are far far more dangerous.
Saagar exposed his sock game here.
Back in the 50s, and into the 60s, socks matched ties; ties matched socks.
Love them both, but Saagar and Krystal are both dandies. What the hell, go for it kids!
Remember when Big Sock and Big Seltzer colluded to get that interview passed? Good times.
Which in fairness is very good.
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These two are so refreshing and we need to see them more!
@Scott I know, I watch the on The Rising, religiously. But I think we still need to see more of them.
@@eileenmcnally109 I think what you're saying is that they should be getting more exposure on corporate news platforms. If so, I agree.
@@AZOffRoadster Krystal used to work for MSNBC so don't think you will see her there anytime soon esp since her new project puts them to shame everyday and pundits who wanted to even cover Bernie in 2016 were fired (Ed Schultz). CNN has had her surprisingly and maybe they both will end up on Tucker Carlson soon since he gives populists more air than anyone else. Just share rising UA-cam vids with everyone you know. Then we can cut out the bullshit propaganda of the MSM
What a great interview. I am finally learning where Saager is coming from.
I’m so impressed with this conversation. It’s so nice to hear beliefs conveyed without emotional pushback and/or defensive positioning. Both have understandable points that are beyond valid.
If you enjoyed this, you should definitely check out their show on The Hill's UA-cam channel. It's a totally fresh format, they speak to people on both sides of the political aisle and it's ALWAYS polite, civil, respectful, but also totally honest and doesn't pull any punches. It's an amazing antidote to the escalating partisan tribalism of late, it's like a prototype of what we'll be doing in the future. I'm Australian and not affected much by American political machinations, but I've been watching Rising religiously since they started mid last year just because it's so refreshing and enjoyable, I can't go back to anything else. Both of them are also awesome hosts, super knowledgeable & insightful, also light-hearted and always ready to poke fun and have a laugh. Give it a go and you'll wonder how you ever watched anything else.
Lachlan Bell I subscribed 2 or 3 months ago. Gave up on cable news during Bernie’s first run. TYT, Majority Report, and all of their offshoots led me to Krystal and Saagar. I love the balance of these two. Actual discourse between opposing frames is so needed, as an example of what we should be doing as a populace.
@@philtronnn out of curiosity, do you still watch TYT or the Majority Report? I can't handle either of them, used to love TYT but can't stand them these days. Don't know if Seder's show was ever good at some stage, but I first found it last year and to me, it's the most cancerous political show in the general sphere. Maybe there's some legit Stalinesque people out there, but of the stuff I've seen that's mostly within the overton window, I've found TMR to be the worst. Curious if you still follow one/both of them? And if so, what do you like about them, or what value do you feel you get from them? Genuine question, I'm always wary of being blind to the positive aspects because of any bias or preconceived ideas I might unwittingly be allowing to cloud my judgement.
Lachlan Bell not so much TYT these days. Occasionally if something in my feed sparks an interest.
MR almost every day. Typically podcast. I like Sams take on things given his prior life/work experience, and his ability to debate and defend positions. I’m also a huge fan of the in depth interviews that he does. I love the long conversation format, an have picked up some crazy little gold nuggets thru that. I personally vibe with most of the views, and I appreciate the comedic aspect adding levity to sometimes hard/sad/concerning news. I think the thing that I like most about the MR is that Sam has allowed his platform to become community. He’s got thoughtful, educated kids on that team, and he’s created a space for them to explore their own views, assimilate info, and then regurgitate what they find back into the community conversation. And they’ve all got side podcast projects where they are going deeper into their specific interests. The humanity, and organic growth, that I’ve heard over the last 4 years and continue to hear every day is what keeps me coming back. Learning combined with regular daily discourse amongst a variety of age groups and mindsets is a really interesting experiment to listen to, or at least it has been for me.
Also love the shit out of Chapo Trap House.
I don’t think too much about getting indoctrinated by another persons undercurrent belief systems (Stalin, Marx, Friedman, Smith, or whatever) because every human has a whole world of experience that has led them to where they are today in their personal human evolution. And I believe everyone’s personal experience is completely valid and has value. I don’t always agree, but differing views make me question my own programming, which I find important for my own continued search for enlightenment, and evolution. My conversations, debates, arguments, and empathy for other human viewpoints have become much stronger thru taking in what my heart and the universe leads me to; weather that means rabbit holing on UA-cam, following breadcrumbs from one show to the next, or taking suggestions from friends or completely random people in comments sections. I just trust that if I keep the mountain top of Loving and Learning on my life’s horizon, that the universe is going to allow me to keep seeing connections regardless of what information I’m putting into my brain. All these different views are opposite sides of the same coin. The dark and the light. But you can’t have one without the other. It’s all a big game of loving to learn, and learning to love. About the yin and yang of my own nature, and that nature amongst our earthly humanity.
For shits and grins. My main go to’s these days are;
-Majority Report
-TMBS
-Pitchfork Economics (can’t suggest this pod highly enough. Everyone should listen to every podcast they’ve done. Absolutely mind blowing content)
-Chapo Trap House (I’m 43 and these kids are so f’ing smart. I enjoy the humor, though some of the more nuanced stuff goes over my head. This kids are doing live shows in primary states, and it’s impressive to see kids so passionately involved in the revolution)
-The Hill (only The Rising)
-Humanist Report
-Kyle Kulinski
-Rational National
-David Packman
-Ed Mylett (awesome pod)
-Jim Kwik
-Super Soul Sunday’s
And to round out all that shit, on the spiritual side I listen to a lot of;
-Alan Watts on UA-cam (always thought and insight provoking)
-Abraham Hicks podcast and on UA-cam.
On the recent audible front;
-Utopia for Realists by Rutger Bregman was eye opening
-Becoming Supernatural by Dr. Joe Dispenza is pretty wild.
-The Monk who gave away his Ferrari is off to a good start
I drive a lot for work, so I have the amazing opportunity to soak all of this info up during my work days. Blessings from the universe.
And blessings to the universe for the opportunity to be an active, and aware, part of it.
@@lachlanbell8390 Try the Michael Brooks Show. I strongly prefer it to The Majority Report as he's got a much better handle on the political theory yet isn't dry or "wonk"-ish at all.
He goes on Rising every so often.
Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti are on point. They are the future of both their preferred major political parties. The RNC has come around to it through Trump, although slowly. However, the DNC is fighting like hell to reject much of progressivism due to money and elites.
People like them must be careful though. They are both under assault from a left and right establishment pincer manouver.
From the left see the Buttigieg and Bloomberg campaigns. From the right organisations like Turning Point USA. Both are establishment operations and they want back in power.
The left confuses true progressives from corporate owned elitists who claim to be progressives
@@jimbullock8178 If you're talking about Booty Judge, then yeah absolutely, he's no progressive, far from it! He's a McKinsey corporate spook who talks in empty platitudes while he's planning on robbing you blind while getting you to not only tolerate it but even possibly ask for more.
Warren has betrayed the progressive movement 🐍 . She did good work with the CFPB, but she is no leader, isn't interested in building class consciousness and solidarity, etc.
Bernie is the *only* one that is a true progressive while also having a very real chance to be elected (a VERY good chance actually!)
@@mduckernz good points!
Like humor, I don't see the Republican party ever embracing progressivism. FDR is the only rich progressive I can think of. Some rich politicians are liberal...but just barely.
New Left - increasing the strength of communities and the wealth we all share. New Right - increasing the strengths and wealth of individuals.
Which, if it were these two reflecting the respective "parties", you'd think there's at least some overlap for them to compromise on.
The hottest professional couple in the media today, i hope they grow in the next years as much as they did in 2019
Hear, hear!
Amen to that!
WOW Saagar has feet and cool socks
Does he? I hadn't noticed. Krystal's balling.
Those shoes though 🤨
Wowwww Saagar and Kyrstal have legs🤯🤯
Thank you to both saagar and Krystal for always having respect for your audience by dressing so classy
You both are a joy to listen to and a joy to watch
And each other's viewpoints. They are always respectful and kind to each other. So much more of that is needed in society.
haha that was cool having Marshall ask the Q's for a change. looking forward to reading the book
So refreshing to see people talking about differences in thought and beliefs, not with hatred and vitriol but with honesty, openness and curiosity. Saagar and Krystal show us a blueprint for how to have a discussion with the intention of finding common ground, and poking at the edges to find maybe consensus and places for compromise. I love their show, and it looks like I'm going to have to check out the Hudson Institute as well. Thanks for posting this!
Krystal...can I just say....A+ posture. Dem abs activated all day.
Sagar is killing it with the socks though
@@diptarkadas5193 Really bad microphone placement tho.
I love Krystal. I follow strong women uwu
It's her southern roots showing
Loooool
Krystal is an angel sent from above
Anybody else breathe a huge sigh of relief to find these savvy young people speaking so cogently and substantially about real issues? So refreshing.
Such an important discussion. Krystal and Saagar bring so much to the table. It is truly a loss that these issues and their depth are not explored more in mainstream media. So glad for Hill Rising and to have these amazing talents!
I like Saagar, and I massively disagree with him on marijuana legalization...but of all the times I’ve heard him discuss it on Rising and elsewhere, how has no one asked his stance on alcohol? I would actually really respect his position if he’s consistent enough to also support making alcohol illegal.
He has discussed it on rising and he is consistent on it. If it was possible, he would support making alcohol illegal.
@@errrkt what about guns?
This is why I love Saagar. I may disagree with him on various issues but he is consistent and honest. He has integrity.
I like Saagar as well, he's sincere, mostly insightful, mostly reasonable...a refreshing improvement overall, compared to other so-called "conservative" commentators.
But he appears to have been indoctrinated into relying on simplistic, totally failed, authoritarian solutions to drug issues (all drugs bad...prohibition good...really?) that leave me slightly wary about where he's coming from on other important issues. Krystal appears better informed and rational on this issue.
Basing one's political and social views (which affect all of society) on one's personal preferences is egocentric and a major mistake.
Marijuana has real medical and health value. We have cannabinoid receptors. We do not have alcohol receptors. Apples and oranges.
I'm thankful for these folks. They're a wonderful reflection of good upbringing.
Krystal and Saagar wrote a good book.
They should get together with Thomas Frank, the author of Listen Liberal. Get him on Rising.
Social Security was enacted in the 1930's. It is about time for another big change for a better America.
IT ALSO TOOK 20 YEARS TO GET TO THE PLACE IT IS TODAY
A united government needs a divided working class. A united working class needs a repolarized government.
Great interview. Damn these guys are so on point. Is still amazing.
This was fantastic. I have a clear understanding of where Sagar and Crystal stand on issues. And it was extremely well explained by both.
Saagar said some things I disagree with but I still respect him. It's nice to be able to do that.
“...locked yo for a couple ounces in his pocket” Oh Saagar. 😂
Krystal has legs and cool boots!!!!!!!
Like Kyle, they're CGI legs.
@@antediluvianatheist5262 Big Seltzer got to her too?
My lawd 🤦🏾♂️
@@antediluvianatheist5262 You beat me to the punch!!
@@TCt83067695 Big Seltzer spawned Big CGI Legs.
Saagar too and cool socks!!
I think I agree with Saagar on almost everything..
He's much less tribal than Krystal. I've been watching their show practically every day since they started and I'm a big fan of both of them, but Krystal is more deeply ideological. She has pretty left-wing values, which is fine, but she tends to take it as a given that these quite left-wing interpretations are objectively reflective of reality. She seems to lack the ability/skill of detaching her emotions and understanding the issues from different perspectives. Saagar is much better at that, which I think is why he's almost always bang on.
I just clicked - one of the really surprising things discovered by research into the psychology of morality is that conservatives generally have a pretty accurate understanding of how progressive types see the world, but progressives cannot accurately identify why conservatives see things differently. Has to do with the relative value each side places on the respective core moral foundations, too much to explain here but fascinating nonetheless.
@@lachlanbell8390 Saagar thinks for himself. Unfortunately he's not very good at it
@@lachlanbell8390 I think that you don't get to see that Krystal may not be so tribal because Saagar is forced to talk about the left every day because of the democratic nominations. I think if it was the Republican primary, you would see the same from Krystal, giving her views on the right in a fair way.
@@MCHD15 Perhaps you're right in as much as she may give credence to some of the arguments made by conservatives, but I don't think it would change my assessment. I'm very interested in the psychology of morality and have gotten pretty deep into the research, so I can tell a lot about how someone thinks & perceives the world by listening to how they interpret events. Doesn't particularly matter whether they're talking about democratic or Republican primaries, what matters is how they interpret the world and what meaning they attribute to things. Krystal sometimes says things that indicate she's less flexible in her thinking, and by extension her ability to see multiple sides of the debate.
Lachlan Bell uh lol “detaching her emotions”. Im not sure what emotions you’re talking about, but both of them seem totally composed in this interview. Without any supporting context your comment reads as sexist nonsense. If you think Krystal has clouded emotional judgment about something do tell, but it seems like you’re content to leave your comments vague. In terms of you characterizing her as more ideological (once again without reference to specific things she’s said), I would say they are both equally ideological and pragmatic: both are similarly concerned with values of the working class in America and actual policies that can get support those values, but are realistic in what they believe is achievable and effective (e.g. in their discussion about immigration, in which both lay out their value systems and the solutions they think would best support the American middle class). Maybe it’s you that’s unable to form an empathetic connection to what Krystals saying that leads you to such mischaracterizations
These two, Krystal and Saagar, will be remembered in history for when politics in America was becoming more realistic and better focused.
Left, right, center and any other direction could be discussed in a manner that allowed realistic and visionary ideas could come to the fore.
Thank you.
everyone talkin bout Sagaar's socks I just wanna talk about his reactionary views on China and the drug war
Well, not so sure they are reactionary. China is using what they learned from The Opium Wars on to their biggest competitor, Murica. Investigations have shown the Red Army owns many companies manufacturing meth, and exporting it to Murica...😏
He treats China the same way Tucker treats Mexico.
A damn shame smh
But the socks game is on point.
TCt83067695 don’t be so quick to dismiss the Chinese
@pproust this is the mindset of the left. “DRUGS MAKE HAPPY HURR DURR” this comes from people that have never actually felt true happiness of a disciplined life.
Saagar comes across as afraid and living in an scarcity mindset. Therein lies the difference between the left and the right, I think.
Absolutely!
Except scarcity is a real thing, cheap robotics will replace tons of low skilled jobs.. I own a small engineering firm and someone came to us with a restaurant project that uses these little electronic food delivery robots (kind of like how some sushi restaurants have boats that float around) with a snap he cut the size of his staff by half. This will continue to happen across the board...
Saager’s world view seemingly more rooted in fear. Krystal’s seemingly more rooted in hope.
Hope does not pay the bills
Fear will make you save money for the day you may not be able to pay a bill.
Also hope can get you in trouble... I hope this works... never want you want to here from an engineer or a pilot
Pedro Barrenechea you’re using anecdotal absolutes, keyword I had used was “more”, meaning it’s relative to and not absolute to.
I think there’s a misunderstanding but I will address the reasoning of your anecdotes which have very little to do with my prior statement.
You give “hope” an absolute non tangible example and marginalized to a figure of speech while giving the reasons behind “fear” the flexibility of meaning from anecdotes. This is irrational.
Also I wasn’t arguing whether hope or fear was better than the other, a balance of the two is ideal but like I said, the persons mentioned were “more rooted than”. That being said, Saager’s fear lead him to say that we should send the MIC to China .... An irresponsible thing to say, China has nukes and getting to a hot war with nukes doesn’t benefit anyone.
Krystal ball explains FDR democracy exactly
Now it is all money for the rich
HOW MANY HOUSES IN AMERICA WORTH $200,000 or more?
who lives in them?
Marshall, You Got Game !
First time I'm aware of, that you didn't look like a deer caught in the headlights.
Bring that confidence to Rising when you co-host.
Saagar how about instead of automatically accepting a wasteful massively expensive resource-draining military-industrial complex we convert it to rebuilding America's infrastructure at home including a renewable energy grid and stronger levees to protect our farmlands. Why not instead we make an enormous investment in diplomacy and global economic populism that invests in the working class around the world such that people will become our allies because we help people, not because we have aircraft carriers off their shores and funnel billions of dollars into various countries oligarchies through their military industrial systems!
Very good point of view @HappyCards dot Pro -Joe Segal.
That's why I'm voting for Bernard Sanders for President of the United States. I really want to feel proud of my country again.
I commend Saagar for having this discussion, but he is basically advocating for a police state. We must stop criminalizing everything and start meeting people’s needs. I’m not saying we don’t enforce laws, let’s just be smart about when to be punitive and when to help someone down on their luck or suffering from addiction. You know how we stop addicts from dying from fentanyl? Have drug testing and injection sites to make sure they are taking drugs safely and give them access to mental health programs and other supports. If we spend all our resources on interdiction, we can’t possibly direct our attention to policies that would actually save lives.
33:30 The moment he began talking about drugs he flushed his brain down the toilet.
Dayum! Saagar's rockin' the fab footwear today! You go, bro! ;-)
This was awesome! Very informative and helpful, I do agree a bit more with Saagar (lol), however I am starting to see and open up more to Krystal's views, lol. Look forward to reading your(s) book! God Speed and God Bless!
Very good interview. Enjoyed the conversation very much. Love hearing different points of view put forward with respect and interest. Thankyou
I love the Rising because Krystal and Saagar are always on point on the real issues. They have such great chemistry. Saagar is a Republican and yet I agree with him on a lot of issues and I consider myself as a progressive.
💙☮️🌍🌎🌏☮️💙
Interviews with both Krystal and Saagar bring out the best in both of them!
Ya’ll need to do more interviews together. Jimmy Dore !?!! ☺️
Marshall does a great job interviewing both here. The personal relationship seems to really aid the ease and flow of the conversation here. Second time watching this episode.
Why are Saturdays on UA-cam so s l o w?
Populism needs to snowball. So fed up, outraged, & BORED with business as usual.
Thanks guys for inspiring beneficial change where ever you can!
Marvellous interviewer by the way.
"Accumulated capital understood that a way to buy off the identitarian left was to simply embrace their identity so that they don't ask questions about their supply chains in China, shipping jobs overseas" Saagar summed up many things in the world with this sentence. Genius.
Saagar, that's just like, your opinion man, lol. "Drugs are bad" is a three-year old's statement. You don't need me to take apart that argument. You're smart enough to do it yourself.
Saagar “drugs are bad” Enjeri... meanwhile caffeinated drinks are on places next to everyone in the discussion... lol
Even my 60 year old dad is constantly yelling into the void: Stop talking about race and talk more about class, because one of them has the potential to divide us while the other one unites us, leads us to common ground, where then we can work on things like race with people we now see as comrades and allies.
GREAT JOBS!
Boy, Saagar doesn't know anything about marijuana, or drug issues in general. As Krystal pointed out, our drug wars have FAILED. As she also points out, the core of his arguments on this subject are about issues of economics and capitalism. They're both pretty sharp on political issues in general.
Neither are sharp. Krystal is a good communicator, fierce on TV, and isn't confused.
Well geez, I guess it depends on how you define "sharp". Facts at the ready, able to put together clear rebuttals of nonsense from mainstream talking heads, on the spot. And able to give cogent analysis of various issues and problems. I'd call that sharp, among other descriptions.
@@tspicks4360 I guess. But you are probably giving too much credit. Most of it is regurgitation of a progressive perspective, with Saager attempting to sound intelligent by hopping between topics and pretending to be a conservative talking head.
@@Zeegoner How do you exactly expect people to convey their viewpoints without "regurgitating" them if they haven't changed?? You cant express a perspective multiple times without regurgitating. Sounds more like u just disagree with them lol
@@MCHD15 To report the news and not attempt to give analysis. I am glad they exist and they will improve over time (I hope). But today I skip half of almost all their videos
I came here to comment on Saagar’s shoes and socks. I am late to the game.
Great interview. Marshall is great at questioning and listening.
These kids will go far.
So well said when they talked about identity politics. Thank you Krystal and Saagar!
We need to go beyond unions. We need a democratic economic system, where the business decisions are made by EVERYONE in the business, not a tiny group of owners. We already have them - they're called worker co-ops - but somehow we need to support & grow this sector. No reason why we have to work for bosses - aka capitalism - we can control our own work lives!
And if everyone shares in the decision, does everyone also go bankrupt if the business fails? Or just the guy who invested in it? And there is nothing stopping any business owner right now from creating a worker co-op.
@@botousai Yes, everyone would.
They're technically possible to do now, and some exist, but it's very difficult to get loans for distributed power structures like co-ops. The legal system isn't really set up to make them viable or easy to start up and run.
I think these legal reforms are needed to help get them set up and operate.
I ALSO think that they should get large tax incentives over capitalist companies, because they are a mechanism for fighting wealth inequality, and so preventing the corruption of the democratic system through massive power imbalance. This is an important function deserving of tax incentives. It will reduce the need for social services and so balance out economically, through reduced utilisation and so costs to social services.
I agree that co-ops are a much more democratic alternative to the corporate system. I don't think they're a total panacea, though; worker-owned enterprises are still private enterprises with all of the market-based incentives to keep prices low and maximize profit that impel private companies to abuse the environment, to find suppliers that exploit the hell out of their workers, etc. So co-ops will continue to need careful regulation.
Interesting that whenever this was recorded they didn't predict Klobuchar in the top 4 in NH...they did eventually change their prediction before NH to the correct outcome...
Yes, and they got the top 5 in correct order.
@Bryan Rezendez Exactly! Klobovirus has no chance, but her strong 3rd finish is due to DNC shenanigans...😏
I love this discussion. Especially Saager's position on US foreign policy.
This was for me a clearer presentation of views than is done on Rising.
I've been on the new left since the 90's when I began to come of age. Read about Eugene Debs in high school, later traveled the world and learned about the socially democratic European model and have been waiting for a revolution ever since.
And on the topic of Sagaars's views of U.S. power projection, I'll do him one better. We don't need to be in the Middle East or protecting Europe or Asia. But we do need to be in space and in the cyber-world. That is the future of any potential warfare/military threats. We need to allow our allies to develop their own military forces and protect themselves. But if we want to safeguard our own national defense down the road, then cyber and space based warfare is will be the new frontier.
I love that they can have a civil and intellectually honest discussion.
Great podcast
"Populism is not an ends, it's a means." The very impetus of the show Rising is a seeking of consensus. This point is not stressed enough. But, the problem with gaining consensus is the inclusion of those who prefer hierarchy. Defining where holistic and healthy are abandoned and sociopathy is introduced will determine the limits of hierarchy's usefulness. There have been sizable societies operated with consensus.
Well thought out discussion- we need more sound real information!
Thank you, great.
Subscribed
I absolutely had to check this out never heard of this podcast probably not going to care about anytime after it but I had to see what crystal ball and cigar were up to
Great discussion
Occupy never ended. It was diverted into racial conflict, to get the pressure off of Wall St.
Krystal and Saagar ROCK!!!!!
Krystal is not just a stunning young woman but the intelligence of her views and stances are just brilliant. There is hope for the future with these two.
27:30 You are fundamentally misrepresenting a large portion of the Left/Socialists. We don't think America should be the sole arbiter and source of world policy (and also foot the bill as its enforcer) while we starve our population at home. We think we should be pro-American business, but not to the extent that we go into other countries and overthrow them to keep sweetheart deals for nominally American corporations (Re: South and Central america for the last 50 years). We think our global militarism and foreign policy is actually a large driver behind any immigrant problem we have right now - people fleeing central america to the USA is a direct result of USA foreign policy, and we demand a change to both rather than just a wall to try to keep them out. We think the hostility and disdain for which we treat current and future allies is driving them into China's arms.
37:00 FINALLY krystal is making a good argument. it took 37 minutes, but she's finally making a solid argument.
are u a conservative? I see you making conservative points on rising comment section. Its rare to see another conservative in the comment section
@@JC-to5wq no. i am a nationalist. movement conservatism is a bad joke, and i'm glad trump killed it even if i didn't vote for him.
Farvadude oh ok. You’re left on issues like abortion, same sex marriage etc??
What socks are those, Saagar?
Indeed, the new gen has left economics but a lot more conservative values. Not to be confused with religious values like abortion, but conservative ones like the importance of the family unit and community.
"the importance of the family unit and community.
" That ship has sailed, umiluv. If they were ever con values rather than just con hype and talking points. We're in the age of trump now and not even the most deluded person would confuse him with someone who respects the family unit and community.
@@salassian3162 Nah, man. You got no idea how many young people have become socially conservative and fiscally flexible. Trump is for the Qoomers. SocCon is for the zoomers.
Amazing shoes and socks, Saagar.
Saagar and Krystal simply amazing
i love that Saagar is rockin' flare socks.
49:40 Krystal killing it with the predictions
solid
Aside from the A+ insight and discussion, Krystal and Saagar are rocking those boots / socks :)
I would love to hear Krystal and Saagar’s reaction to Iversen’s proposal of conservative populists and liberal progressives forming a third party together. I think this needs to happen to address the true political divides in the country. I for one would vote for a Sanders-Bannon ticket, or even a bit more technocratic version, say a Kasich-Yang ticket.
I love this. Two people who tell the truth and speak with integrity I may disagree with Saagar about certain topics (immigration, drug legalisation) but I trust him far more than any MSNBC hack! Krystal is a treasure and an amazing progressive ally. Both of them are head and shoulders above most mainstream pundits. Thank you for this awesome discussion!
I agree with Krystal regarding the need for stronger unions. A stronger (and honest) union would be a balance to resolving trade, immigration and healthcare policies.
35:05 Krystal Ball responds to Saager on drug polcies and "human nature" and nails it.
Great show. Krystal & Saagar are the best! I've subscribed.
I'm surprised that when they talk about the current US drug crisis they don't explicitly mention the Sackler family and how they pushed Rx opiates which was part of the genesis.
Fentanyl was amazing while I recovered from a surgery in hospital. Zero pain.
intro music is cool..anyone know what it is?
i am a progressive ..but saagar has some valid points on drugs being to powerful but we need to make weed legal to home grown .. and illegal to any corporation .. very good pod cast
I would like to have Tulsi Gabbard sit in on this discussion...
yes, the one world gathered all the oligarchs under 1 plan and now the masses are revolting! Yes, Krystal, where are the masses moving too is the question
The fashionista's have nothing to loose but their taste.
Krystal is so smart. I love her.
"Why do you hate America? That's what you would say to me, right?"
"Yes. Yes."
Dope
My view - if we increase the strength of communities and the wealth we all share we improve the foundation for the development of personal strengths, freedoms and wealth. We also increase the strength of democratic institutions.
Damn Krystal you're so damn spot on
If Krystal got a tax bill for her portion of the costs of illegals, I think she'll be less enthused
about open borders.
Bernie used to be for tight immigration before he decided to run for president.
I'd hate to think he is pandering to certain voter groups.
49:08 No edit. Noice! 🤙
I'm a socialist, but I agree with Saagar when it comes to US force projection. With all its flaws I still prefer American global hegemony over Chinese global hegemony. Just saying.
Every other country in the world disagrees with you; almost every country fears the USA as the greatest threat to global security and peace!
@@HarryC-Smith I'm not surprised by that but I don't think it's true.
@@Fangtorn it is to a certain degree. One less country we make trades with the Chinese just jumps in. And the sad part it might be even fair ones. Where i give major props to Trump something had to be done with China. But obviously not the way he did it
I guess the fact that I didn’t hate anything either one of them said leaves me out of the center, and I’m here for it! I’m more on the Krystal side than the Saagar side to specify. Centrism is boring and puts people to sleep! Nobody is turned on by beautiful lukewarm sentiments and platitudes in politics. Unless you’re a loser centrist. Lol. Can’t wait til your book gets here guys! 😊
This whole panel is so well dressed...
Krystal and Saagar seems like they feed from one another and that's like the best combination. I miss having my third Dragon heard
Marshall has a S tier podcasting voice
It’s because he’s black 😂
Krystal and Saagar are making the nation more intelligent.
One simple question. Should you get to decide how I get to feel? This is such a simple concept that, I don't even understand the debate.