some fans see a curvy idol and theyre like omg slay girl you're so brave for looking like that in public im too embarrrassed to -- like they dont realize how backwards of a compliment that is. those idols could/are struggling. they aren't built that way for you to feel confident about yourself, they arent living for you!!!!
It's like saying to someone who is not super pretty "omg you're so brave for showing your face like that! I could never do that!" Exactly what you said, a backwards compliment... They're basically saying "you're ugly" or "you're fat" smh
Yes like I get trying to hype up your fave but it got too much with Hwasa. Girl can't live a day without fans and the media constantly reminding her she's not like everyone else. That would really wear me down or irritate me even if I did love myself.
Exactly! And what confuses me is that Hwasa is in no way shape or form fat AT ALL and I'd die to have her body shape, so when these "fans" say those kind of backhanded compliments like that I'm just shocked. I know she may be seen differently in kbs for whatever reason but in american beauty standards she's literally perfect. She's perfect all around, perfect body, face, voice, personality and those so called fans need to wake tf up and realize that.
Who says that though? It's usually your brave for being yourself in a society where you are extremely pressured to look and act like someone you aren't. I've literally never seen any comments like that about her, it's either prisse for her confidence or jealousy. If anything it's them saying they can't because of their lack of confidence but I've been a fan since the beginning and have never seen anything like that.
17:40 made my body shiver. It's clear that she was binging, having a terrible relationship with food, and those hosts laughing... it totally normalizes this illness.
i feel like people arent that educated on binge eating tho. They think youre trying to be quirky, but in reality you literally cannot stop eating/craving food no matter how much you want to stop
even the people in the comments of that video do not realise that it's binge eating and call it "a vibe", "relatable" or "quirky" it's actually concerning
The part where Hwasa is binging in the park is so concerning. Never have I ever seen a country excuse clear disordered eating behavior so much. Eating till she's sick isn't "funny entertainment" what is wrong with them??? It's like how Korea played happy cute music behind IU's interview explaining her "skeleton skinny diet" where she ate nothing but drank water for a week.
That's just how it is in Asian countries, they do not take mental health serious and that's why South Korea has one of the --if not-- the highest suicide rate
and the fact that if they don't reach their standards and expectation they would really put you on a pedestal and calling them ugly, telling them to lose weight is so unhealthy. and I'm not surprised by the amount of suicide rate in Korea is really concerning.
Yeah that part was actually disturbing to watch, I don't think she laughed at all, ironic thing is that she knows what she wants to do and how she wants to live but just can't because of the society she is in. It's honestly amazing how these companies can contact her for ads and stuff and then try to get her to be something other than what made them want to contact her in the first place. Also the company makes her think she has to bend to these pressures. I honestly think she will be the next to leave RBW.
Really?? What country are YOU from for you to be spewing such xenophobic and bigoted vitriol toward another nation? You’ve clearly NEVER been to SKorea nor any Eastern Asian country and you have very little respect toward other countries and their cultures. Really though? You’ve never seen a country excused disordered eating??? Soooo you’re just going to conveniently ignore the US and Hollywood blatantly ignoring celebrities’ issues with eating disorders? Actually it’s almost better when they do ignore it because when they don’t, they’re promoting it by splashing photos of emaciated starlets all over every magazine cover without any type of educational articles within the magazine to actually help anyone. You’re just going to ignore the Nicole Ritchies and the Lindsey Lohans back when being a 00 was in. Now what’s in is an exaggerated hip and butt right? So all these women running to put some chemical sludge inside their asses to look deformed is okay according to you right…because at least they’re heavier and not thin. Everything is justified in Hollywood right? It’s okay that literally EVER OTHER celebrity in Hollywood has a CONFIRMED eating disorder or drug addiction or mental illness …it’s just a problem when OTHER NATIONS and their entertainment industries have a few individual cases (literally a handful out of THOUSANDS of idols across DECADES of Kpop). That is the definition of xenophobia…of bigotry. I am so sick and tired of seeing Westerners bash, berate, and devalue other nations for this and that when those exact things are occurring in YOUR OWN COUNTRY but ten times worse..yet y’all neeeever write these “concerned” righteous comments about the US…about Hollywood…about the UK…right?? EVERY nation has its positives and negatives and EVERY entertainment industry will hold within it some level of pressure because it is an extremely difficult thing to be a public figure and known by millions … however it is NOT okay for you ignorant bigots to spew your xenophobia about nations you’ve never been to, cultures you clearly know NOTHING about. Mental illness wasn’t even a topic you discussed just a decade ago in the US…the US is a liberal nation. So why tf do you expect a CONSERVATIVE nation to undergo changes over night if it took a liberal country this long to start discussing the topic of mental illness?? Celebrities in Hollywood were made fun of for their mental breakdowns as recently as 2008? 2010?? Britney Spears, anyone?? Amanda Bynes?? Robert Downey Jr?? I can go onnnn and onnnn. Yet you’re going to sit there hating on another nation you’ve never stepped foot in? Please learn some TOLERANCE for other cultures. Learn to respect how other nations do things…they DO NOT need to answer to anyone nor change their ways to suit Western ideals, period. Xenophobes need to change. Y’all need to change your approach and stop judging other cultures so recklessly without even bothering to fully understand them or experience them even a tiny bit…even through some (much-needed) research. Hopefully this wakes you tf up. Who says things like that …in 2022… “what is wrong with THEM?” When referring to another country. That is pure bigotry. It’s 2022 guys…y’all have everything that you need at your fingertips in order to educate yourselves. There is no excuse for this level of ignorance.
it is strangely comforting knowing a celebrity as talented and beautiful as hwasa also experienced major depression as a result of the pandemic. 2022 has definitely been a recovery year for my mental health, as i binge ate and was horribly depressed for most of 2020 and all of 2021. i hope she finds some mental clarity. i'm still recovering, but i have been doing a LOT better and have been focusing on some hard but much needed self care and improvement this year.
With all due respect, I’ve just never understood these types of comments. Why would someone else’s suffering comfort you in any way? Why would the knowledge that a successful beautiful individual having mental illness problems…comfort you? Why not stop comparing yourself to public figures and focus on your own treatment and hopeful recovery? Idk I just wouldn’t wish depression on anyone and seeing anyone, including public figures, suffering from it doesn’t make me feel good that oooh even a successful celebrity can have it too (because …obviously anyone can) or that oooh I’m not alone (because the knowledge that your misery has company or that actually you’re the only one in fact with this ailment
@@krisuler7734 i think at least part of it stems from having a flawed view of myself, and seeing someone who i have a positive regard of experience struggles that i empathize with helps to humanize myself, as my low self esteem makes me view myself as less than a human. it actually is a bit selfish and a bit dark, hence why i said "strangely comforting". i think another part of it comes from seeing another person go through something similar to you can help make your reflecting easier. it helps me compare how i was before to how much progress i've made today. selfish? probably. but i don't think it's harmful towards hwasa either. also thank you! i've had a very good past week of progress in my recovery
Not only were the hate comments about Hwasa were disgusting, but so were the ones that "uplifted" her while comparing her to the other members and saying horrible things about them in the process. MAMAMOO is such an amazing group and have went through a lot. They aren't perfect, no one is. But damn, I bet that made Hwasa feel even worse to see those kind of comments where they were so harsh on her fellow members that she looks at as family.
I love her so much! She’s the sole reason as to why I got into K-POP! And she definitely the reason why I stan Mamamoo so much! I am so happy that each Mamamoo member is unique and doesn’t fit the typical K-Beauty standards! They’re all beautiful and talented! Hwasa is always my inspiration 💜
It's sad that they dont take binge eating seriously because its ju6ast bad as bulimia or anorexia and much more Because at the end of the day ur body get seriously damaged because of it
Honestly MAMAMOO gets way too many hateful comments + I don't understand why knetizens hate Solar so bad. They're literally the best vocal girl group they deserve more than what their company does for them
Yeah. Why do they want to hate on Solar so bad? Her and Wheein especially have a ton of small, more obscure scandals in Korea that just don’t make sense to me. The ‘rainy day’ situation and the strawberry jam song…
@@lia_anh me too I’m confused on why the scandals are considered scandals. I understand that maybe from Korea’s point of view it’s a bit much but it’s really not. These girls are so talented and live their fans. They don’t deserve any of this.
@@Ssensational_ the strawberry jam song is weird tho so you can’t expect people to just be fine with it, especially if the singer is not liked in Korea
In my dreams, mamamoo leave rbw ent. and get into a good company where they are promoted I really want each of them to be happy, it hurt me to watch this video, it hurt me to know that they suffer 4 dancers, 4 singers, 4 visual artists, 4 queens. I love them incredibly
I really feel for Hwasa and understand the pain. When I was in 9th and 10th grade I binged a lot anytime i was sad or stressed i would eat and eat it sends happy signals to your brain and basically you feel happy, relaxed, tired etc I ate so much I went from 110 which i have mainted my whole life without dieting etc to 170 lbs my health was terrible as you could imagine I was pre diabetic and to avoid becoming diabetic I had to lose the weight and I did I'm healthy and thin like I used to be but it took lots of time to shrink, regain my metabolism etc. I biggest thing with idols I see is when dieting they want quick and good result so they yo yo diet or starve themselves when in reality if they just ate healthy and exercised they could easily maintain a healthy body. I have maintained my weight and I truthfully eat whatever i want I just also like to walk and dance
Female idols do struggle a lot. Watching this broke my heart😢 Also plz do Shuhua from idle. I think she successfully lost her weight in latest comeback.❤
I like Hwasa's figure because it's super feminine and reminds me of Marilyn Monroe! I never understood why people bashed her for it. They're just bullies.
@8luvbug Yead as in fitting the stereotype of what is feminine, and commonly found on eomrn, curvy hips etc, have you heard of an hourglass figure? Or looking like a Coca-Cola bottle? Of course there are women not lookibg like that, me included, but lets face it there are not many men built that way are there?!
That golden bodysuit where everyone was posting hate comments about her back... WHAT THE FUCK? I watch that still constantly every time I want to feel that gorgeous energy. She looks like a GODDESS there, it's my favorite stage costume of hers. Knetz have *no* sense.
It's clear that diet in 2020 is what made her binge; I started crying when i saw how she was eating. Forcing yourself to diet can make you binge. It's not healthy to do either. Ahn hyejin, I hope you are doing better.
thank you for these videos, they've helped me identify what binge eating looks like (and that I might be doing it), and helped me with the fact that restrictive dieting never really works.
Ladies, I truly cry for us all. Victoria Secret models worked out extra a month before a show. They had all liquid diets before the show and “dried” themselves out by not drinking water. All that and photoshop was still used during promo. We abuse our bodies so much and it still does its best to protect us. You all are enough, you all are beautiful the way you are.
Again, thank you for making these videos. It's great that you show us the idols as humans, with their own struggles. Honestly I sort of want to burn the industry every time I watch one.
It is so incredibly sad to see an amazing group with some of the best singers, not only in kpop but the whole music industry getting destroyed because of how they look. All 4 of them are extremely talented and amazing vocalists/rapper and together as a group they have some of the most beautiful harmonies I’ve ever heard. I can watch their killing voice episode over and over again, it is so satisfying to just hear them sing and harmonize with each other and their vibe is almost addicting… so to see them get dragged and always being judged by their looks and bodies, not by their musical abilities is frustrating and sad.
I don't know about others if someone mentioned my weight constantly, even in a positive way, I would hate it, because I would want to just be treated normally, like anyone else would be. The fact that people talk about weight so much is so disheartening, because it feels like that's all that matters and defines you, even if they mean it in a positive way.
i had the same constant struggle as her, it’s honestly so tiring so i completely get her, but i now allowed myself to get into a full binge eating cycle 🤦🏽♀️ ive been rock bottom for the last 6 months and ive never been more depressed ever in my life and i am only 16. i lost sm weight and gained it all back within those months, i can’t even began to explain how disappointed i am in myself, i don’t even want to show up in public anywhere anymore until i get my life back together again. i am trying to be better but it’s never easy. i hope there comes a day where we all don’t have to worry about such things anymore and just enjoy life. tbh i forgot how it feels like to eat normally and have a healthy relationship with food…
Literally same. However, not everything is lost and eventually we'll start to heal. What I'm doing in case it helps you too is sticking to 3 meals a day and copying them from youtubers or having my family prepare them. I even made a discord group for this
I don’t know how helpful this is, but what really helped me was keeping a regular eating routine. Three meals a day and not trying to deprive myself of anything. It’s trying to change your mentality so that your brain and body don’t think you’re in a situation where food is scarce. If you’re worried about eating too many “bad” foods then thinking about what you can add to it helps. Like if you want to eat a Nutella sandwich then having a banana on the side, it helps to keep you nourished. If that makes sense. It’s easier to add things to your diet than to take away, plus I think it creates a healthier mindset. Also, I’ve found than cutting down on social media and avoiding body checks as much as possible helps with your relationship with your body (and then in your diet, especially at the beginning). It takes time and it’s hard work but it is possible get out of the cycle and have a healthy relationship with food. Another thing that helped me when my binges were triggered by stress or boredom was taking up crocheting. Gave my hands something to do and my brain something to concentrate on. Anything that keeps your hands busy and mind engaged works, especially if it has a calming effect.
It's sad people are hating on AMFG when they've made videos for years like this to educate both international and Korean fans on their harmful behavior. Including other mamamoo members over years. You guys can't assume they hate mamamoo for posting comments ifans and kfans made, it's obvious most idols have serious eating and health issues. You ask why they obsessed over idols weights when that's obviously not the point of channel: it's to educate fans on eating disorders and cyber bullying.
and yet people act like their company is saints just because Hwasa isn’t a size 0. They made her diet just like almost every other company does to idols.
@@aspannas Mamamoo aren't honest, half the time they say they aren't forced, but they keep releasing new diet videos every year and endorsing diet products. If they're so pro-weight gain why did Moonbyul try to scare Swan from purple kiss into losing weight just because she's an "idol"? It's really sad to see they don't actually do what they preach.
I feel so bad for her. I’ve always found her very beautiful. And she does as time progress. I didn’t think she’d be going thru something like this. Until I heard her song Maria in English and I was starting to wonder why a song so popular could be so sad. She is trying to learn how to love her body and control it. With all this hate must be really hard for her to concentrate on that. I want her to be happy and strong and healthy. I think if she was to work out a lot and grow stronger, it would help her binge eating control. Cause you need that energy to workout, but Korea has a crazy beauty standard to be feminine and slender and thin. That it just wouldn’t work for her. She is very beautiful to me.
On another note aside from others comments I do agree with, I’m not sure if the statements on the screen are the authors or not. But they are extremely biased and rude towards Hwasa. Everyone has their own journey and it’s sad other people think they have the right to dictate how people perceive themselves or live their lives. Idols should have more waypoint since they have a very stressful job being on stage so much. Hwaiting MAMMAMOO and Hwasa!! 💜💜
What was done to Hwasa was criminal by management and by public who will be the great social failure of kpop management and fandom, good thing these people did not get a psych eval they’d be in the crazy house for quite a while
That binge eating reminds me of my self. I have had eating disorder for more than 2 decades. I wanted to be a dancer when I was younger. I feel her. It’s painful to watch.
Do a vid about LIGHTSUM's Nayoung please. She looks fine during debut era, then after next cb she looks alarmingly skinny, then now during AAA she gained 5 times her weight.
Hwasa was also very sick during HIP Promotions and in January 2020. She finally had time to rest and probably wasn‘t eating well, because she was so sick. I think she didn‘t diet as much as simply not having as much appetite for a while.
when pandemic started, i never realized that I started binge eating till 2022 came. I rarely get out of our house because of COVID, but when we are now allowed to go to in my college. I took my pants which I always wear way back in 2018-2019 and realized that it doesn't fit me anymore. I never look at my weight, but I still remember that my weight in 2019 was 50kg. Now, Im so close to reaching 70kg. I feel like crying when saw it. I even starve myself but I still keep binge eating. Its feels so horrible. Even my parents keep telling me to lose weight, why do my body is wide, etc. It's honestly so hard to lose weight rn. I feel sick.
All this info and people in the comments are still saying she got surgery to be curvier like god damn, some people are really thick in the head. Brains slightly used and smooth.
I swear their entertainment never cared about hwasa’s weight ? I’ve been in loop since 2015 and I heard the CEO did want them slim but liked Hwasa’s figure and told her not to diet much
Let’s be real. Kpop idols version of dieting is not eating….which is so wrong on so many levels. To be able to dance and perform like they do they need to eat. And I’m not talking about some sweet potatoes and an apple or 3 quarters of an egg a day if you know what I mean.
A lot of those comments make me so angry. Why do people think it’s ok to say any terrible thing they want to about the way someone else looks while hiding behind a screen on the internet?? They just all gather around and bully everyone else because they don’t like themselves
she wants to launch a tv series or talk show or something next month. that kind of worries me ngl. like it's in the middle of their tour. idk man seems like a lot in little time and i jsut want her to be okay.
She isn't fat she has normal body but Korea has very narrow mided view of normal looking girl = super skinny girl with no more than 45kg (which for grown up borders annorexia by (western) medicine standards))
idk much about mamamoo and have only seen some of their stuff here and there but the obsession with hwasa's "hip line" was always weird to me. the part at the end about how hwasa herself feels about her body is interesting as many fans brag that she is the body image queen that feels great bc she has more shape in her thighs/butt
I hope they come to Brazil! PLEASE, i need to see at least one of my favorite groups before disband. They are so talented and I need a chance. Also Hwasa body and charms on stage got me hocked on the group to begging with, so...
I would not want to be in this industry because their more concerned about your appearance than your actual health. They say be healthy but they actually don’t care.
This makes me so sad. Watching Hwasa and seeing 'honey thighs' made me confident about my similar sized body. I think she always looks great and doesn't need to stress so much, but that's easy for me to say when I'm not on camera all the time. It's awful that she can inspire confidence in her fans but take that hit and not feel confident herself =(
All that shit on the screen pissed me off u said some real stupid stuff hope u can actually use your heart next time because putting simply "ugly" is so damn disrespectful and rude I hope she never sees this hateful slander
they lose the plot when they described her as having a "western figure" there is no Set Figure for folks based on their region, like............obviously everyone's bone structure isn't the same whether they're western or not?? there are skinny western women just like there are korean women that look like hwa sa or are bigger than her. they may not be the majority, but still. she's just short with wide hips and her thighs match, that doesn't make her big or "fat." I also feel like they tend to pick on idols that just have fuller faces or don't have a coke bottle waist, but hey, that's just me. it's obvious she can stay at a consistent weight, it's just that they don't like the weight that her body can sustain. she's obviously not meant to be as thin as moonbyul or solar, so I don't know why they were trying to force it to begin with. it's one thing if she's doing it for herself, it's another thing if she's trying to appease netizens that will turn on her at the drop of a hat. her mental and physical health matter more than folks trying to make her the patron saint of "self-love"
Watching her binge eating is very painful. I always thought Hwasa was full of confidence and never hated her body. That's also how her fans see her and depaint her. Honestly she's a real icon in every size, she has the voice, the charisma, and everything she needs to be a super star. MAMAMOO's members all have amazing and strong voices. I hope they all learn from their mistakes and stop starving themselves but eat well, for their mental and physical health. Thank's for this video I didn't know she struggled with her weight.
Just because they are idol, does not mean they are not* also human. Hwasa been subject of lots of criticism. It's almost impossible not to feel bad about yourself if anyone was in her shoes. Her recent appearances on live concerts with mamamoo, I can tell she's insecure, not confident, seem to always be fixing up her hair or clothes between songs.
its also so sad how the company were clearly taking advantage of how those mukbangs that went viral. they literally made her eat a lot but still expect her to diet. and its not like she was eating a healthy meal. she was eating fast food and when you eat a lot of fast food your body craves it.
gosh, that clip of her getting food at 4 AM and sitting on a park bench and devouring it until she was in pain and looked sick and was begging herself to stop was hard to watch. and the fact the hosts were finding it funny and just laughing at witnessing someone’s binge episode… 😕
i think cause korea seems to normalize starving and binge eating when their "diet" is over so they've probably all experienced this and even think it's funny when it's not 🥲
What makes it more disappointing is that one of the hosts on that show played a gymnast that suffered from bulimia/binge eating in Weightlifting Fairy Kim Book Joo, so if anyone would know she should, but they're all still smiling and laughing like it's nothing. Feel so sad that Hwasa had to go through all this.
This is so sad. Watching this makes me feel so awful, hwasa was one of my inspirations and as ironic as it sound to stop my binge eating and bulimia. She was really a steakhold when she said "I am the standard" damn even watching her binge eat broke my whole heart. This hits the spot for me. But I hope hwasa knows that she really does inspire others to be better, including myself. I have recovered from my ED and have managed to live at a healthy weight. Thanks to her❤ Hwasa you still are the standard! But you also are human and we love you.
someone can be our inspiration and struggle with the same things we do. I am so happy for you, recovery is the best decision you make, EVERY DAY. I’m sending you love and strength.
Lowkey if you watch this in an awkward setting it would deffo make you laugh at first but if you think about it more in depth its a very disheartening scene
I was curious about the pressures of the "honey thighs" effect on her. Like I get that people want the whole "curvy and different" thing because representation truly does matter, but also, I think that's a lot of pressure nonetheless. I also wonder about Solar. Although she very much looks healthy, maintaining those abs must be so much on her
@@jjba3571 yeah this was more so a thought before watching the video since she always tries not to seem like she's not struggling. But like I thought, the pressure to always love yourself is still quite high
In 2020 Hwasa's grandmother became ill and passed away. The actual death was very close to when Travel and Don't Touch Me were released so she didn't have any time to grieve normally. She had to film 3 MVs*, promote all 3 songs, and finish up Hangout With Yoo. I know netizens & stans love to analyze everything but sometimes they don't have all the facts. Whoever made this video is wrong about MIC ON being badly received. It sold over 100k units and has done pretty well digitally. There is just a vast difference between what is possible for a big 4 group and what is possible for a group from a mid size company like RBW. There were a lot of high profile comebacks, such as Kwon Eunbi, Chaeyeon, Dreamcatcher, and Kep1er; that were absolutely crushed by Case 143 and Antifragile and Mamamoo just got unlucky. Tbh, Mamamoo needed a new release to build hype for a tour and so they released the minimum needed for one. 😂 Taiwan sold out in 4 minutes and I've seen talk among Filipino Moos that they're going to try to sell out in 1 minute! Hwasa's longtime collaborator, Park Woosang, left RBW last year and has taken on many projects since then. He is committed to working on Hwasa's next album but he doesn't have the time that he used to to work with her. PWS is good at finding a medium between what the artist(s) wants and what the company will allow and Wheein & Hwasa particularly have made some great music while working with him. Hwasa's next album was supposed to be released this year but as was stated in this video, she wasn't happy with what she created. Her creative process is very intentional and thoughtful so she will not put something out for the sake of doing it. This year she put out a collab with Loco and she did that because she trusts Woogie, the producer, to listen to her and the result was a single album, Somebody, that was well received and nominated for awards. *= Dingga and Aya were filmed back to back and Aya and Don't Touch Me were filmed simultaneously.
Could you do Wooyoung from Ateez? It's been said that he's lost about 14kg and it'd be interesting to see his weight loss journey. Especially since people tend to not talk about the weight loss of male idols.
Honestly Binge eating isn't talked about enough! I've seen thin idols like Bomi/ Solar binge a lot for views or cheat meals and it's scary because they look ill afterwards but they keep the weight off so people give them a free pass. I also think Idols who are 'bigger' that binge are also given a free pass because fans are so desperate for representation they don't care if it their favs are hurting.
i don’t understand why so many people judge how healthy an idol is based on their weight. nobody knows what’s going on behind the scenes and why they’re at that weight, whether underweight, average, or a bit bigger than the standard
some ideas for idols to cover in future videos: • Wooyoung from Ateez. he had a sudden weight drop a while back. • Ryujin from ITZY. she’s lost an alarming amount of weight in a short while and people are rightfully concerned. • Wonyoung from IVE. i don’t think i even need to explain…she became very very underweight in between IZ*ONE and IVE. to the point it could be detrimental to her health. she looks almost emaciated. • Wonho. a different style of video where instead of covering unhealthy weight loss or rapid weight gain, you cover his bulking story of where he started at Monsta X’s debut versus how he’s basically a bodybuilder now. • Johnny from NCT. a lot of people don’t seem to notice he’s lost weight in the last year or two (ever since he started showing off his body in performances) and he looks a lot skinnier than before. • Changbin from Stray Kids. similarly to Wonho, he started off a lot smaller at debut but has bulked up healthily.
i think this channel's creator clarified a while ago they don't plan to make a video about wonyoung since she barely mentions her diet or eating habits on camera. i'm also very concerned about her weight dropping more and more each time, but honestly i think it's better to not make a video that would be purely speculation.
@@northrnstar very true, and understandable. though there are clips of when she does “eat” on camera, she takes such small and delicate bites, might as well just be crumbs. i really hope she starts taking better care of herself 😔
@@northrnstar finally someone else that notices Johnny. actually got attacked a while back when i first started noticing his weight loss. people tend to get blindsided by the fact that he still stays toned up with exercise, but you can see it in his face a lot. idk maybe because he's my bias, so im always looking ? lol anyway, great suggestion list on general !
@@vip5hawol-deehirota I think Johnny lost a lot of weight during C*VID. Rather than it being him on a diet I think it's just his natural body, when you look at his trainee days he looks more like he does now. I think he struggles more with the high intake of calories to bulk rather than getting lean. But yes he has definitely lost weight.
I feel bad for hwasa because on one hand she is seen as this inspiration for body positivity but on the other hand, she now seems uncomfortable with her body now that people see her that way. And like the mukbangs on I live alone made her go viral but also started or highlighted her habit of binging. I hope she is able to find peace with her health and nutrition and body because she is truly unique and I also hope that she, solar and moonbyul leave rbw because they aren’t helping them and mamamoo is one of my favorite groups because they don’t need flashy costumes or big dance numbers and while it’s nice they have them, they are such strong musicians they don’t need them and they don’t need this mistreatment.
The update is finally here after 3 years. Honestly Hwasa was doing just fine eating intuitively before 2018. Somewhere a long the way she decided to start cash dieting every comeback either due to pressure from society or her company/members (solar is also very addicted to restrict/binge style dieting). But this will always make people gain more weight in the end, and it seems to have made Hwasa's diet go insane near 2020. I think she might have finally stopped crash dieting after the super long hiatuses last year and not being in the spotlight anymore. Her body is probably healing and returning to normal.
@L E V I L U V I E i think a video already exists on Wheein…also i dont mean to be sassy or anything lol 😊😊but what did you mean by “i don’t know why but it doesn’t seem healthy to me” when referring to her yo-yo dieting?? Of course it’s unhealthy lol 🤔🤔🫣🫣🧐 trust your instincts and pursue research in order to answer these types of questions. It’s clearly an unhealthy way of eating. I hope you will read up on it further ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
This group has so many issues with food but their random refuses to acknowledge it. Wheein has such bad self esteem (she seems better after leaving RBW) Moonbyul keeps changing her story about being naturally thin to counting calories, her sweet potato diet and being too chubby before debut and losing weight. Solar is a whole other case of extreme. Girl goes from chocolate and pasta mukbangs to starving on apple diet to getting shredded short term to gaining all the weight back and starting again.
YEah exactly. I hate how moomoos are like "Oh yeah mamamoo is such a healthy group and RBW is such a great company" No. I'm a moomoo myself but i can aknowledge the fact, that they're not that different from other groups. And i hate how RBW is praised after what they've done to Esna
@@zosiexofficial Well then rejoice! After the bad promotions they’ve given Mamamoo the past few years I can tell you that no one is praising the company anymore. Moomoos hate RBW. I’ve always felt bad for the Esna situation but the truth was, it didn’t really affect Mamamoo so moomoos didn’t care. No that it affects Mamamoo though…
Mamamoo get criticized for their outfits, specifically Hwasa. Yet, the kpop industry is putting girl groups in the shortest skirts, shorts, and crop tops with knee high socks making them look like kinky school girls. I for one dont have a problem with how any outfit idols wear, including the short skirts, shorts, etc. as long as the idol feels comfortable in which Hwasa feels confident most of what she wears.
I feel bad for MMO i genuinely think that they're so unique with each one is a real talented artist. I really want them to shine again, too bad illela didn't really do much. I wish all of the girls aren't so hard on themselves 😭 girls, YOU ARE ENOUGH
Honestly I've always thought a lot of the extreme diets are a result of their mukbang culture. They are expected to eat a lot but society has an extreme standard for low body weight. Like the saying you can't have your cake and eat it too, so idols end up cutting corners. I've seen so many idols like sooyeon, Seulgi or Luna act like eating vegetables or a nutritious salad is the end of the world. Or that meat is nasty unless dunked in a ton of salt/ sauce. Like there are ways to make healthy food delicious but idols act as if it's all or nothing!
Oh yes. I cringe so hard when i hear Soyeon hating on vegetables. I like salads and vegetables, they make huge part of our diet so i don't know how people can hate it in general. I know babying idols is cringe and creepy, but lowkey I want to learn korean just to tell Soyeon with proper grammar to eat her fking veggies, cause they can be delicious (and ofc nutricious) lmao
A lot of you don’t realize Korea purposely treats Hwasa this way because not only is she dark skinned but "Has the audacity to be bigger". So it’s way deeper than her being thicker, it’s her skin color. Yes, there are darker idols but they all have that one thing in common. They’re skinny. Hwasa is breaking all the rules when it comes to Koreas beauty standards and is proud of it.
Hwasa could have zero fat on her body and would still be called fat due to simply having a pear shaped body. It’s absurd how just because she is short and curvy and has wider hips that automatically makes her “fat” when she has always ALWAYS been skinny, she just has a different bone structure
Hwasa is so talented, beautiful, and a great human being overall. I hope she stays healthy and keeps singing because her and all of Mamamoo’s voices are angelic.❤️🩹
Illella sold more than 100K in physicals which isn't actually bad for Mamamoo. They didn't chart well because cb announcement was only 2 weeks before the actual release. The fandom had no time to collect and prepare. The song had potential, but again mismanagement by their company. They uploaded the dance challenges to YT instead of TikTok (without MMMs knowledge). The song actually had a lot of hype when it was released. But the digital side was weak.
I love Mamamoo. They were my introduction to Kpop music (besides Psy). As a westerner from Canada, it saddens me to see what they had to go through, they are very entertaining, not only as singers but as gigs they do on the side. To me they are a mix of TLC, En Vogue, Spice Girls all in one. Their management company probably didn't know how to handle a super group who has no limit. Hwasa weight has affected her a lot, the happiest is always when she eats and perform to her best self. In Illella you can tell she wasn't happy, extra covered up. Wheein is leaving next year but I hope the Mamamoo will stay united. Well done video. It was worth all the 25 min and 32 seconds 💖
Hecc, Hwasa's contract expires 6 months *before* Wheein's. Byul's and Solar's contracts expire a year after Hwasa's. No one loves Mamamoo more than Mamamoo so I think no matter what they do, they'll still interact publicly, and as the fan song goes, I'm "never letting go"!!!
I never felt the culture shock as much as this video, every time a ‘shes fat’ comment showed up I couldn’t tell if it was spite from Hwasa’s success and that person’s insecurity or pure delusion
She binges because she keeps on getting hungry because the calorie intake is so low. Second thing if she keeps on gaining wait and have to starve herself just to look a certain way it's not her actual body size and she is forced to push it . Starving won't make her do the best instead make her more weak. Let her eat plssss it's so basic that a person needs to eat in order to keep functioning well.
I cried because it's as if the people around her try to purposely not acknowledge she had a literal eating disorder. I am now extremely worried for all of the other idols who go through this. Makes me really question the industry. :(
I'm glad she seems to have stopped crash dieting, but honestly I wish they weren't given crap for crash dieting at all, it's so understandable! She always was and is a beautiful girl, the size doesn't even matter, and what's more important is how charming and strong her personality is. Love you forever, Hwasa, hope 2023 and 24 are your best and peaceful years yet!
as the years went on when i was a teen i saw celebrity like hwasa rise to popularity and thought of it as an improvement for beauty standards of society at large, but tbh it doesnt seem like anything changed. only superficial slogans (mindless self love that idols really dont practice) or "awareness" of mental illness (which we can see people still dont know how to approach) that people shallowly recite without them being reflected in actual society in any way. as a result, people suffer. hwasa almost became the face of a movement/beauty trend, but even that was a marketing strategy pushed on her to make the group marketable and popular with new generations. and it only hurt her mental health in the end. the trends seem to be changing again and its unfair people so talented see their careers be so subjectable to anything but the love for music. being in the public eye is so damaging and i wish these girls the best
I think she's so beautiful and I love her voice. Her stage presence is amazing I hope she never forgets that. Right now it's trendy in Kpop to have a dead fish face on stage but Hwasa still serves emotion and passion every time.
Huhhh?? What on earth are you spewing? Who has a dead fish face?! How is it a TREND in Kpop…an industry where performances are very important and idols practice their facial expressions lol 🙄🙄🙄 Your face is just as important as your choreography and singing for your overall performance in Kpop. Please stop spewing random vitriol like this…especially when it has absolutely no backing or proof…like AT ALL. 🤡
How is that trendy omg. Korea crazy. It wasn’t hwasas body that stood out to me it was her face and facial expressions 😍l love a queen that gives a show !
Hwasa is one of my favorites. I am so sad that she has had such a poor relationship with her body and that people have been unkind. I think she's a very talented performer and smoking hot too.
They should stop treating starving as a diet. Their diet should be eating healthy and amount that is needed for them and with it they still wolud be able to stay in shape. And Definitely be happier overall!
Hwasa is popular abroad because people love her stage presence and confidence to be herself. especially in an industry that wants you to be anything but yourself, Hwasa is an anomaly. I really respect and admire her as a person. I'm sure the journey with her body hasn't been easy but it has been great to see her open up about it.
Seeing Hwasa binge like that in the park would have been absolutely agonizing in its own right, but watching these people laugh at her while it happened literally made me sick. This woman is struggling so much with her mental health and her relationship to food that she has to tell herself to stop eating because she's in pain...and they fucking laugh. I can't imagine the pain that moment held for her and I hope that it isn't something she thinks of often
those people laughing at her binge eating should lose their jobs and never make a living. As someone who went from anorexia to binge eating for a while, it was the worst time of my life. I wanted to die. I would have multiple breakdowns in a day, would cry uncontrollably, I attempted to kiII myself. thankfully both times my family noticed it and helped me. I've had ed for 6+ years, anyone who laughs at eating disorders deserves nothing in life. I still heavily struggle with my ed but thankfully my friends and family are there for me. I'm so sad for her this is making me cry
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some fans see a curvy idol and theyre like omg slay girl you're so brave for looking like that in public im too embarrrassed to -- like they dont realize how backwards of a compliment that is. those idols could/are struggling. they aren't built that way for you to feel confident about yourself, they arent living for you!!!!
It's like saying to someone who is not super pretty "omg you're so brave for showing your face like that! I could never do that!" Exactly what you said, a backwards compliment... They're basically saying "you're ugly" or "you're fat" smh
Yes like I get trying to hype up your fave but it got too much with Hwasa. Girl can't live a day without fans and the media constantly reminding her she's not like everyone else. That would really wear me down or irritate me even if I did love myself.
Exactly! And what confuses me is that Hwasa is in no way shape or form fat AT ALL and I'd die to have her body shape, so when these "fans" say those kind of backhanded compliments like that I'm just shocked. I know she may be seen differently in kbs for whatever reason but in american beauty standards she's literally perfect. She's perfect all around, perfect body, face, voice, personality and those so called fans need to wake tf up and realize that.
Who says that though? It's usually your brave for being yourself in a society where you are extremely pressured to look and act like someone you aren't. I've literally never seen any comments like that about her, it's either prisse for her confidence or jealousy. If anything it's them saying they can't because of their lack of confidence but I've been a fan since the beginning and have never seen anything like that.
Especially when an idol has gained weight then fans assume that they are happier and healthy and just give those idols such backward compliments
17:40 made my body shiver. It's clear that she was binging, having a terrible relationship with food, and those hosts laughing... it totally normalizes this illness.
right
stupid hosts
i feel like people arent that educated on binge eating tho. They think youre trying to be quirky, but in reality you literally cannot stop eating/craving food no matter how much you want to stop
even the people in the comments of that video do not realise that it's binge eating and call it "a vibe", "relatable" or "quirky" it's actually concerning
@@ngndnd Yup like as someone who deals with it I will literally be crying wanting to stop but my body just like cant.
The part where Hwasa is binging in the park is so concerning. Never have I ever seen a country excuse clear disordered eating behavior so much. Eating till she's sick isn't "funny entertainment" what is wrong with them??? It's like how Korea played happy cute music behind IU's interview explaining her "skeleton skinny diet" where she ate nothing but drank water for a week.
That's just how it is in Asian countries, they do not take mental health serious and that's why South Korea has one of the --if not-- the highest suicide rate
and the fact that if they don't reach their standards and expectation they would really put you on a pedestal and calling them ugly, telling them to lose weight is so unhealthy. and I'm not surprised by the amount of suicide rate in Korea is really concerning.
@@eunheS that award goes to Japan but Korea definitely has some high rates of depression.
Yeah that part was actually disturbing to watch, I don't think she laughed at all, ironic thing is that she knows what she wants to do and how she wants to live but just can't because of the society she is in. It's honestly amazing how these companies can contact her for ads and stuff and then try to get her to be something other than what made them want to contact her in the first place. Also the company makes her think she has to bend to these pressures. I honestly think she will be the next to leave RBW.
Really?? What country are YOU from for you to be spewing such xenophobic and bigoted vitriol toward another nation? You’ve clearly NEVER been to SKorea nor any Eastern Asian country and you have very little respect toward other countries and their cultures. Really though? You’ve never seen a country excused disordered eating??? Soooo you’re just going to conveniently ignore the US and Hollywood blatantly ignoring celebrities’ issues with eating disorders? Actually it’s almost better when they do ignore it because when they don’t, they’re promoting it by splashing photos of emaciated starlets all over every magazine cover without any type of educational articles within the magazine to actually help anyone. You’re just going to ignore the Nicole Ritchies and the Lindsey Lohans back when being a 00 was in. Now what’s in is an exaggerated hip and butt right? So all these women running to put some chemical sludge inside their asses to look deformed is okay according to you right…because at least they’re heavier and not thin. Everything is justified in Hollywood right? It’s okay that literally EVER OTHER celebrity in Hollywood has a CONFIRMED eating disorder or drug addiction or mental illness …it’s just a problem when OTHER NATIONS and their entertainment industries have a few individual cases (literally a handful out of THOUSANDS of idols across DECADES of Kpop). That is the definition of xenophobia…of bigotry. I am so sick and tired of seeing Westerners bash, berate, and devalue other nations for this and that when those exact things are occurring in YOUR OWN COUNTRY but ten times worse..yet y’all neeeever write these “concerned” righteous comments about the US…about Hollywood…about the UK…right?? EVERY nation has its positives and negatives and EVERY entertainment industry will hold within it some level of pressure because it is an extremely difficult thing to be a public figure and known by millions … however it is NOT okay for you ignorant bigots to spew your xenophobia about nations you’ve never been to, cultures you clearly know NOTHING about. Mental illness wasn’t even a topic you discussed just a decade ago in the US…the US is a liberal nation. So why tf do you expect a CONSERVATIVE nation to undergo changes over night if it took a liberal country this long to start discussing the topic of mental illness?? Celebrities in Hollywood were made fun of for their mental breakdowns as recently as 2008? 2010?? Britney Spears, anyone?? Amanda Bynes?? Robert Downey Jr?? I can go onnnn and onnnn. Yet you’re going to sit there hating on another nation you’ve never stepped foot in? Please learn some TOLERANCE for other cultures. Learn to respect how other nations do things…they DO NOT need to answer to anyone nor change their ways to suit Western ideals, period. Xenophobes need to change. Y’all need to change your approach and stop judging other cultures so recklessly without even bothering to fully understand them or experience them even a tiny bit…even through some (much-needed) research. Hopefully this wakes you tf up. Who says things like that …in 2022… “what is wrong with THEM?” When referring to another country. That is pure bigotry. It’s 2022 guys…y’all have everything that you need at your fingertips in order to educate yourselves. There is no excuse for this level of ignorance.
it is strangely comforting knowing a celebrity as talented and beautiful as hwasa also experienced major depression as a result of the pandemic. 2022 has definitely been a recovery year for my mental health, as i binge ate and was horribly depressed for most of 2020 and all of 2021. i hope she finds some mental clarity. i'm still recovering, but i have been doing a LOT better and have been focusing on some hard but much needed self care and improvement this year.
With all due respect, I’ve just never understood these types of comments. Why would someone else’s suffering comfort you in any way? Why would the knowledge that a successful beautiful individual having mental illness problems…comfort you? Why not stop comparing yourself to public figures and focus on your own treatment and hopeful recovery? Idk I just wouldn’t wish depression on anyone and seeing anyone, including public figures, suffering from it doesn’t make me feel good that oooh even a successful celebrity can have it too (because …obviously anyone can) or that oooh I’m not alone (because the knowledge that your misery has company or that actually you’re the only one in fact with this ailment
@@krisuler7734 i think at least part of it stems from having a flawed view of myself, and seeing someone who i have a positive regard of experience struggles that i empathize with helps to humanize myself, as my low self esteem makes me view myself as less than a human. it actually is a bit selfish and a bit dark, hence why i said "strangely comforting". i think another part of it comes from seeing another person go through something similar to you can help make your reflecting easier. it helps me compare how i was before to how much progress i've made today. selfish? probably. but i don't think it's harmful towards hwasa either. also thank you! i've had a very good past week of progress in my recovery
Not only were the hate comments about Hwasa were disgusting, but so were the ones that "uplifted" her while comparing her to the other members and saying horrible things about them in the process. MAMAMOO is such an amazing group and have went through a lot. They aren't perfect, no one is. But damn, I bet that made Hwasa feel even worse to see those kind of comments where they were so harsh on her fellow members that she looks at as family.
I really really hope she didnt read them. I feel sick just reading it.
watching this made me realize how much people talk about female idols’ weight. I feel so bad for them
I love her so much! She’s the sole reason as to why I got into K-POP! And she definitely the reason why I stan Mamamoo so much! I am so happy that each Mamamoo member is unique and doesn’t fit the typical K-Beauty standards! They’re all beautiful and talented! Hwasa is always my inspiration 💜
It's sad that they dont take binge eating seriously because its ju6ast bad as bulimia or anorexia and much more
Because at the end of the day ur body get seriously damaged because of it
Honestly MAMAMOO gets way too many hateful comments + I don't understand why knetizens hate Solar so bad. They're literally the best vocal girl group they deserve more than what their company does for them
Yeah. Why do they want to hate on Solar so bad? Her and Wheein especially have a ton of small, more obscure scandals in Korea that just don’t make sense to me. The ‘rainy day’ situation and the strawberry jam song…
@@lia_anh me too I’m confused on why the scandals are considered scandals. I understand that maybe from Korea’s point of view it’s a bit much but it’s really not. These girls are so talented and live their fans. They don’t deserve any of this.
Live their fans ***
@@Ssensational_ the strawberry jam song is weird tho so you can’t expect people to just be fine with it, especially if the singer is not liked in Korea
In my dreams, mamamoo leave rbw ent. and get into a good company where they are promoted
I really want each of them to be happy, it hurt me to watch this video, it hurt me to know that they suffer
4 dancers, 4 singers, 4 visual artists, 4 queens. I love them incredibly
This hits home 💔 I deeply understand how draining and depressing this feels, hopefully we all recover.
I'm a moomoo and I feel so dumb for not seeing this whole side of Mamamoo's history. I feel even more worried now
I really feel for Hwasa and understand the pain. When I was in 9th and 10th grade I binged a lot anytime i was sad or stressed i would eat and eat it sends happy signals to your brain and basically you feel happy, relaxed, tired etc I ate so much I went from 110 which i have mainted my whole life without dieting etc to 170 lbs my health was terrible as you could imagine I was pre diabetic and to avoid becoming diabetic I had to lose the weight and I did I'm healthy and thin like I used to be but it took lots of time to shrink, regain my metabolism etc. I biggest thing with idols I see is when dieting they want quick and good result so they yo yo diet or starve themselves when in reality if they just ate healthy and exercised they could easily maintain a healthy body. I have maintained my weight and I truthfully eat whatever i want I just also like to walk and dance
Female idols do struggle a lot. Watching this broke my heart😢
Also plz do Shuhua from idle. I think she successfully lost her weight in latest comeback.❤
I like Hwasa's figure because it's super feminine and reminds me of Marilyn Monroe! I never understood why people bashed her for it. They're just bullies.
"super feminine"
@8luvbug Yead as in fitting the stereotype of what is feminine, and commonly found on eomrn, curvy hips etc, have you heard of an hourglass figure? Or looking like a Coca-Cola bottle?
Of course there are women not lookibg like that, me included, but lets face it there are not many men built that way are there?!
@@NotAnotherKuromithis is such a sad mindset
@@vee.3029 Acknowledging human biology is not a mindset
@@vee.3029having curved is considered feminine lol wtf is ur problem
That golden bodysuit where everyone was posting hate comments about her back... WHAT THE FUCK? I watch that still constantly every time I want to feel that gorgeous energy. She looks like a GODDESS there, it's my favorite stage costume of hers. Knetz have *no* sense.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING! She looked HELLA GOOD!🤨 I Was shocked reading those horrible comments.
It's clear that diet in 2020 is what made her binge; I started crying when i saw how she was eating. Forcing yourself to diet can make you binge. It's not healthy to do either. Ahn hyejin, I hope you are doing better.
thank you for these videos, they've helped me identify what binge eating looks like (and that I might be doing it), and helped me with the fact that restrictive dieting never really works.
Ladies, I truly cry for us all. Victoria Secret models worked out extra a month before a show. They had all liquid diets before the show and “dried” themselves out by not drinking water. All that and photoshop was still used during promo. We abuse our bodies so much and it still does its best to protect us. You all are enough, you all are beautiful the way you are.
Again, thank you for making these videos. It's great that you show us the idols as humans, with their own struggles.
Honestly I sort of want to burn the industry every time I watch one.
I don't get people coming for her body, she looks healthy and normal to me
Same. people are mad and sensitive it's getting awful.
"looks healthy" but she wasn't
It is so incredibly sad to see an amazing group with some of the best singers, not only in kpop but the whole music industry getting destroyed because of how they look. All 4 of them are extremely talented and amazing vocalists/rapper and together as a group they have some of the most beautiful harmonies I’ve ever heard. I can watch their killing voice episode over and over again, it is so satisfying to just hear them sing and harmonize with each other and their vibe is almost addicting… so to see them get dragged and always being judged by their looks and bodies, not by their musical abilities is frustrating and sad.
I don't know about others if someone mentioned my weight constantly, even in a positive way, I would hate it, because I would want to just be treated normally, like anyone else would be. The fact that people talk about weight so much is so disheartening, because it feels like that's all that matters and defines you, even if they mean it in a positive way.
i had the same constant struggle as her, it’s honestly so tiring so i completely get her, but i now allowed myself to get into a full binge eating cycle 🤦🏽♀️ ive been rock bottom for the last 6 months and ive never been more depressed ever in my life and i am only 16. i lost sm weight and gained it all back within those months, i can’t even began to explain how disappointed i am in myself, i don’t even want to show up in public anywhere anymore until i get my life back together again. i am trying to be better but it’s never easy. i hope there comes a day where we all don’t have to worry about such things anymore and just enjoy life. tbh i forgot how it feels like to eat normally and have a healthy relationship with food…
Literally same. However, not everything is lost and eventually we'll start to heal.
What I'm doing in case it helps you too is sticking to 3 meals a day and copying them from youtubers or having my family prepare them.
I even made a discord group for this
@@inmyspringIs there some way I could join the Discord group? I would love to be able to talk to some people who understand how stressful binging is
@@kath9088 my user is oopsol. Add me and I'll send you the invite! I hope we don't feel so alone now that we have someone to talk to
I don’t know how helpful this is, but what really helped me was keeping a regular eating routine. Three meals a day and not trying to deprive myself of anything. It’s trying to change your mentality so that your brain and body don’t think you’re in a situation where food is scarce. If you’re worried about eating too many “bad” foods then thinking about what you can add to it helps. Like if you want to eat a Nutella sandwich then having a banana on the side, it helps to keep you nourished. If that makes sense. It’s easier to add things to your diet than to take away, plus I think it creates a healthier mindset. Also, I’ve found than cutting down on social media and avoiding body checks as much as possible helps with your relationship with your body (and then in your diet, especially at the beginning). It takes time and it’s hard work but it is possible get out of the cycle and have a healthy relationship with food. Another thing that helped me when my binges were triggered by stress or boredom was taking up crocheting. Gave my hands something to do and my brain something to concentrate on. Anything that keeps your hands busy and mind engaged works, especially if it has a calming effect.
this poor baby ): we just want you to be happy love ❤
It's sad people are hating on AMFG when they've made videos for years like this to educate both international and Korean fans on their harmful behavior. Including other mamamoo members over years. You guys can't assume they hate mamamoo for posting comments ifans and kfans made, it's obvious most idols have serious eating and health issues. You ask why they obsessed over idols weights when that's obviously not the point of channel: it's to educate fans on eating disorders and cyber bullying.
and yet people act like their company is saints just because Hwasa isn’t a size 0. They made her diet just like almost every other company does to idols.
What proof of this do you have? Mamamoo has said themselves they are never forced to diet, the only time they were pushed to do it was before debut.
@@aspannas even making them do it predebut is messed up. Just because it was before they debuted doesn’t erase the damage it did.
@@aspannas Mamamoo aren't honest, half the time they say they aren't forced, but they keep releasing new diet videos every year and endorsing diet products. If they're so pro-weight gain why did Moonbyul try to scare Swan from purple kiss into losing weight just because she's an "idol"? It's really sad to see they don't actually do what they preach.
@@shanliekpop🙌 moomoos don't wanna hear it, but this is facts.
I feel so bad for her. I’ve always found her very beautiful. And she does as time progress. I didn’t think she’d be going thru something like this. Until I heard her song Maria in English and I was starting to wonder why a song so popular could be so sad. She is trying to learn how to love her body and control it. With all this hate must be really hard for her to concentrate on that. I want her to be happy and strong and healthy. I think if she was to work out a lot and grow stronger, it would help her binge eating control. Cause you need that energy to workout, but Korea has a crazy beauty standard to be feminine and slender and thin. That it just wouldn’t work for her. She is very beautiful to me.
On another note aside from others comments I do agree with, I’m not sure if the statements on the screen are the authors or not. But they are extremely biased and rude towards Hwasa. Everyone has their own journey and it’s sad other people think they have the right to dictate how people perceive themselves or live their lives. Idols should have more waypoint since they have a very stressful job being on stage so much. Hwaiting MAMMAMOO and Hwasa!! 💜💜
What was done to Hwasa was criminal by management and by public who will be the great social failure of kpop management and fandom, good thing these people did not get a psych eval they’d be in the crazy house for quite a while
Knets han sido el mismo infierno, y Hwasa es un angel de persona
Me duele tanto 😭
That binge eating reminds me of my self.
I have had eating disorder for more than 2 decades.
I wanted to be a dancer when I was younger.
I feel her. It’s painful to watch.
Do a vid about LIGHTSUM's Nayoung please. She looks fine during debut era, then after next cb she looks alarmingly skinny, then now during AAA she gained 5 times her weight.
I think it's healthy rebound, she looks stabilized to the weight she was during VIVACE now during Honey or Spice
Hwasa was also very sick during HIP Promotions and in January 2020. She finally had time to rest and probably wasn‘t eating well, because she was so sick. I think she didn‘t diet as much as simply not having as much appetite for a while.
when pandemic started, i never realized that I started binge eating till 2022 came. I rarely get out of our house because of COVID, but when we are now allowed to go to in my college. I took my pants which I always wear way back in 2018-2019 and realized that it doesn't fit me anymore. I never look at my weight, but I still remember that my weight in 2019 was 50kg. Now, Im so close to reaching 70kg. I feel like crying when saw it. I even starve myself but I still keep binge eating. Its feels so horrible. Even my parents keep telling me to lose weight, why do my body is wide, etc. It's honestly so hard to lose weight rn. I feel sick.
All this info and people in the comments are still saying she got surgery to be curvier like god damn, some people are really thick in the head. Brains slightly used and smooth.
I swear their entertainment never cared about hwasa’s weight ? I’ve been in loop since 2015 and I heard the CEO did want them slim but liked Hwasa’s figure and told her not to diet much
Let’s be real. Kpop idols version of dieting is not eating….which is so wrong on so many levels. To be able to dance and perform like they do they need to eat. And I’m not talking about some sweet potatoes and an apple or 3 quarters of an egg a day if you know what I mean.
A lot of those comments make me so angry. Why do people think it’s ok to say any terrible thing they want to about the way someone else looks while hiding behind a screen on the internet?? They just all gather around and bully everyone else because they don’t like themselves
This is just disturbing. I mean, all of these videos are disturbing though lol
she wants to launch a tv series or talk show or something next month. that kind of worries me ngl. like it's in the middle of their tour. idk man seems like a lot in little time and i jsut want her to be okay.
The worst thing for me was seeing the comments... i hate the "netizens". Just leave people be. I hope idols don´t read such malicious comments.
She isn't fat she has normal body but Korea has very narrow mided view of normal looking girl = super skinny girl with no more than 45kg (which for grown up borders annorexia by (western) medicine standards))
idk much about mamamoo and have only seen some of their stuff here and there but the obsession with hwasa's "hip line" was always weird to me. the part at the end about how hwasa herself feels about her body is interesting as many fans brag that she is the body image queen that feels great bc she has more shape in her thighs/butt
Hwasa is tiny, Korean beauty standards are just dramatic
you should do another cl video *_*
Hiiiiii was qaiting hihi
From what event the picture on the left ? From clickbait
I hope they come to Brazil! PLEASE, i need to see at least one of my favorite groups before disband. They are so talented and I need a chance. Also Hwasa body and charms on stage got me hocked on the group to begging with, so...
Hwasa tiene un cuerpazo .Muchas curvas hermosas 😘
Es una mujer preciosa.😍
I would not want to be in this industry because their more concerned about your appearance than your actual health. They say be healthy but they actually don’t care.
1:17 brooo hwasa looks like kiera knightly
Can you do a video on seungkwan
please do a wonyoung video
Why they always laugth at those Things, and Why is so normal talk about women’s body in kpop?
Plz do one on wonyoung too
they have said that they are not going to do a video on her
Let other "fans" boycott them. Maybe this way we, real fans, can get tickets for their concert.
Her face automatically face when she has buccal fat removal. She looked too mature
Could she have bulimia? It feels like she's purging with those starvation diets
This makes me so sad. Watching Hwasa and seeing 'honey thighs' made me confident about my similar sized body. I think she always looks great and doesn't need to stress so much, but that's easy for me to say when I'm not on camera all the time. It's awful that she can inspire confidence in her fans but take that hit and not feel confident herself =(
why tf they mention solar every time? obsessed much?
She is hated but in the end of the day she is catching theirs favs attention
All that shit on the screen pissed me off u said some real stupid stuff hope u can actually use your heart next time because putting simply "ugly" is so damn disrespectful and rude I hope she never sees this hateful slander
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they lose the plot when they described her as having a "western figure" there is no Set Figure for folks based on their region, like............obviously everyone's bone structure isn't the same whether they're western or not?? there are skinny western women just like there are korean women that look like hwa sa or are bigger than her. they may not be the majority, but still.
she's just short with wide hips and her thighs match, that doesn't make her big or "fat." I also feel like they tend to pick on idols that just have fuller faces or don't have a coke bottle waist, but hey, that's just me.
it's obvious she can stay at a consistent weight, it's just that they don't like the weight that her body can sustain. she's obviously not meant to be as thin as moonbyul or solar, so I don't know why they were trying to force it to begin with. it's one thing if she's doing it for herself, it's another thing if she's trying to appease netizens that will turn on her at the drop of a hat.
her mental and physical health matter more than folks trying to make her the patron saint of "self-love"
Watching her binge eating is very painful. I always thought Hwasa was full of confidence and never hated her body. That's also how her fans see her and depaint her. Honestly she's a real icon in every size, she has the voice, the charisma, and everything she needs to be a super star. MAMAMOO's members all have amazing and strong voices. I hope they all learn from their mistakes and stop starving themselves but eat well, for their mental and physical health.
Thank's for this video I didn't know she struggled with her weight.
Just because they are idol, does not mean they are not* also human. Hwasa been subject of lots of criticism. It's almost impossible not to feel bad about yourself if anyone was in her shoes. Her recent appearances on live concerts with mamamoo, I can tell she's insecure, not confident, seem to always be fixing up her hair or clothes between songs.
@@TheTruthHurts6666 Yes I know but some people are naturally confident and I didn't know she received all this hate. It's so sad...
true 😞
How is that binge eating? It’s a normal meal…
its also so sad how the company were clearly taking advantage of how those mukbangs that went viral. they literally made her eat a lot but still expect her to diet. and its not like she was eating a healthy meal. she was eating fast food and when you eat a lot of fast food your body craves it.
gosh, that clip of her getting food at 4 AM and sitting on a park bench and devouring it until she was in pain and looked sick and was begging herself to stop was hard to watch. and the fact the hosts were finding it funny and just laughing at witnessing someone’s binge episode… 😕
i think cause korea seems to normalize starving and binge eating when their "diet" is over so they've probably all experienced this and even think it's funny when it's not 🥲
What makes it more disappointing is that one of the hosts on that show played a gymnast that suffered from bulimia/binge eating in Weightlifting Fairy Kim Book Joo, so if anyone would know she should, but they're all still smiling and laughing like it's nothing. Feel so sad that Hwasa had to go through all this.
This is so sad. Watching this makes me feel so awful, hwasa was one of my inspirations and as ironic as it sound to stop my binge eating and bulimia. She was really a steakhold when she said "I am the standard" damn even watching her binge eat broke my whole heart. This hits the spot for me. But I hope hwasa knows that she really does inspire others to be better, including myself. I have recovered from my ED and have managed to live at a healthy weight. Thanks to her❤ Hwasa you still are the standard! But you also are human and we love you.
when she was binge eating i could see myself in her; the pain and guilt during a binge episode is excruciating
someone can be our inspiration and struggle with the same things we do. I am so happy for you, recovery is the best decision you make, EVERY DAY. I’m sending you love and strength.
The show people were laughing at the scene at the park while i almost cried for her
Lowkey if you watch this in an awkward setting it would deffo make you laugh at first but if you think about it more in depth its a very disheartening scene
I was curious about the pressures of the "honey thighs" effect on her. Like I get that people want the whole "curvy and different" thing because representation truly does matter, but also, I think that's a lot of pressure nonetheless.
I also wonder about Solar. Although she very much looks healthy, maintaining those abs must be so much on her
23:49 thats your reply right there, she hates being force fo love her self love image
@@jjba3571 yeah this was more so a thought before watching the video since she always tries not to seem like she's not struggling. But like I thought, the pressure to always love yourself is still quite high
In 2020 Hwasa's grandmother became ill and passed away. The actual death was very close to when Travel and Don't Touch Me were released so she didn't have any time to grieve normally. She had to film 3 MVs*, promote all 3 songs, and finish up Hangout With Yoo. I know netizens & stans love to analyze everything but sometimes they don't have all the facts.
Whoever made this video is wrong about MIC ON being badly received. It sold over 100k units and has done pretty well digitally. There is just a vast difference between what is possible for a big 4 group and what is possible for a group from a mid size company like RBW. There were a lot of high profile comebacks, such as Kwon Eunbi, Chaeyeon, Dreamcatcher, and Kep1er; that were absolutely crushed by Case 143 and Antifragile and Mamamoo just got unlucky. Tbh, Mamamoo needed a new release to build hype for a tour and so they released the minimum needed for one. 😂 Taiwan sold out in 4 minutes and I've seen talk among Filipino Moos that they're going to try to sell out in 1 minute!
Hwasa's longtime collaborator, Park Woosang, left RBW last year and has taken on many projects since then. He is committed to working on Hwasa's next album but he doesn't have the time that he used to to work with her. PWS is good at finding a medium between what the artist(s) wants and what the company will allow and Wheein & Hwasa particularly have made some great music while working with him. Hwasa's next album was supposed to be released this year but as was stated in this video, she wasn't happy with what she created. Her creative process is very intentional and thoughtful so she will not put something out for the sake of doing it. This year she put out a collab with Loco and she did that because she trusts Woogie, the producer, to listen to her and the result was a single album, Somebody, that was well received and nominated for awards.
*= Dingga and Aya were filmed back to back and Aya and Don't Touch Me were filmed simultaneously.
Could you do Wooyoung from Ateez? It's been said that he's lost about 14kg and it'd be interesting to see his weight loss journey. Especially since people tend to not talk about the weight loss of male idols.
This
Yes
But what was the weight before and after?
And how long did it take to lose?
Because it didnt schock me visually so I am so confused by this
@@gabdongipark He lost weight very quickly in 2019, it was a shock
@@Maria-ed3jo i only stan them since April
Honestly Binge eating isn't talked about enough! I've seen thin idols like Bomi/ Solar binge a lot for views or cheat meals and it's scary because they look ill afterwards but they keep the weight off so people give them a free pass. I also think Idols who are 'bigger' that binge are also given a free pass because fans are so desperate for representation they don't care if it their favs are hurting.
i don’t understand why so many people judge how healthy an idol is based on their weight. nobody knows what’s going on behind the scenes and why they’re at that weight, whether underweight, average, or a bit bigger than the standard
some ideas for idols to cover in future videos:
• Wooyoung from Ateez. he had a sudden weight drop a while back.
• Ryujin from ITZY. she’s lost an alarming amount of weight in a short while and people are rightfully concerned.
• Wonyoung from IVE. i don’t think i even need to explain…she became very very underweight in between IZ*ONE and IVE. to the point it could be detrimental to her health. she looks almost emaciated.
• Wonho. a different style of video where instead of covering unhealthy weight loss or rapid weight gain, you cover his bulking story of where he started at Monsta X’s debut versus how he’s basically a bodybuilder now.
• Johnny from NCT. a lot of people don’t seem to notice he’s lost weight in the last year or two (ever since he started showing off his body in performances) and he looks a lot skinnier than before.
• Changbin from Stray Kids. similarly to Wonho, he started off a lot smaller at debut but has bulked up healthily.
i think this channel's creator clarified a while ago they don't plan to make a video about wonyoung since she barely mentions her diet or eating habits on camera. i'm also very concerned about her weight dropping more and more each time, but honestly i think it's better to not make a video that would be purely speculation.
@@northrnstar very true, and understandable. though there are clips of when she does “eat” on camera, she takes such small and delicate bites, might as well just be crumbs. i really hope she starts taking better care of herself 😔
@@northrnstar finally someone else that notices Johnny. actually got attacked a while back when i first started noticing his weight loss. people tend to get blindsided by the fact that he still stays toned up with exercise, but you can see it in his face a lot. idk maybe because he's my bias, so im always looking ? lol anyway, great suggestion list on general !
@@vip5hawol-deehirota I think Johnny lost a lot of weight during C*VID. Rather than it being him on a diet I think it's just his natural body, when you look at his trainee days he looks more like he does now. I think he struggles more with the high intake of calories to bulk rather than getting lean. But yes he has definitely lost weight.
Yesung from Super Junior would be interesting, his diet is infamous
I feel bad for hwasa because on one hand she is seen as this inspiration for body positivity but on the other hand, she now seems uncomfortable with her body now that people see her that way. And like the mukbangs on I live alone made her go viral but also started or highlighted her habit of binging. I hope she is able to find peace with her health and nutrition and body because she is truly unique and I also hope that she, solar and moonbyul leave rbw because they aren’t helping them and mamamoo is one of my favorite groups because they don’t need flashy costumes or big dance numbers and while it’s nice they have them, they are such strong musicians they don’t need them and they don’t need this mistreatment.
The update is finally here after 3 years. Honestly Hwasa was doing just fine eating intuitively before 2018. Somewhere a long the way she decided to start cash dieting every comeback either due to pressure from society or her company/members (solar is also very addicted to restrict/binge style dieting). But this will always make people gain more weight in the end, and it seems to have made Hwasa's diet go insane near 2020. I think she might have finally stopped crash dieting after the super long hiatuses last year and not being in the spotlight anymore. Her body is probably healing and returning to normal.
I completely agree!
Please do an update on Itzy Ryujin
update on ryujin please?
Please do nayoung from lightsum or Wonyoung from ive
@L E V I L U V I E i think a video already exists on Wheein…also i dont mean to be sassy or anything lol 😊😊but what did you mean by “i don’t know why but it doesn’t seem healthy to me” when referring to her yo-yo dieting?? Of course it’s unhealthy lol 🤔🤔🫣🫣🧐 trust your instincts and pursue research in order to answer these types of questions. It’s clearly an unhealthy way of eating. I hope you will read up on it further ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
This group has so many issues with food but their random refuses to acknowledge it.
Wheein has such bad self esteem (she seems better after leaving RBW)
Moonbyul keeps changing her story about being naturally thin to counting calories, her sweet potato diet and being too chubby before debut and losing weight.
Solar is a whole other case of extreme. Girl goes from chocolate and pasta mukbangs to starving on apple diet to getting shredded short term to gaining all the weight back and starting again.
I think Moonbyul said she's quite chubby before debut & her metabolism changed after extreme diet. Nowadays she doesn't need to do too much diet.
YEah exactly. I hate how moomoos are like "Oh yeah mamamoo is such a healthy group and RBW is such a great company" No. I'm a moomoo myself but i can aknowledge the fact, that they're not that different from other groups. And i hate how RBW is praised after what they've done to Esna
@@zosiexofficial who is esna ? And no, i hate rainbow bridge , they were the ines who initially tolde them fat , talented but fatb
@@jjba3571 esna is an artist that was under them who was mistreated if i remember correctly
@@zosiexofficial Well then rejoice! After the bad promotions they’ve given Mamamoo the past few years I can tell you that no one is praising the company anymore. Moomoos hate RBW. I’ve always felt bad for the Esna situation but the truth was, it didn’t really affect Mamamoo so moomoos didn’t care. No that it affects Mamamoo though…
Mamamoo get criticized for their outfits, specifically Hwasa. Yet, the kpop industry is putting girl groups in the shortest skirts, shorts, and crop tops with knee high socks making them look like kinky school girls. I for one dont have a problem with how any outfit idols wear, including the short skirts, shorts, etc. as long as the idol feels comfortable in which Hwasa feels confident most of what she wears.
I feel bad for MMO i genuinely think that they're so unique with each one is a real talented artist. I really want them to shine again, too bad illela didn't really do much. I wish all of the girls aren't so hard on themselves 😭 girls, YOU ARE ENOUGH
I can always feel idols deflate a little whenever a radio host brings up diet. Must be so tiring to always be concerned about diet
Honestly I've always thought a lot of the extreme diets are a result of their mukbang culture. They are expected to eat a lot but society has an extreme standard for low body weight. Like the saying you can't have your cake and eat it too, so idols end up cutting corners.
I've seen so many idols like sooyeon, Seulgi or Luna act like eating vegetables or a nutritious salad is the end of the world. Or that meat is nasty unless dunked in a ton of salt/ sauce. Like there are ways to make healthy food delicious but idols act as if it's all or nothing!
Oh yes. I cringe so hard when i hear Soyeon hating on vegetables. I like salads and vegetables, they make huge part of our diet so i don't know how people can hate it in general. I know babying idols is cringe and creepy, but lowkey I want to learn korean just to tell Soyeon with proper grammar to eat her fking veggies, cause they can be delicious (and ofc nutricious) lmao
A lot of you don’t realize Korea purposely treats Hwasa this way because not only is she dark skinned but "Has the audacity to be bigger". So it’s way deeper than her being thicker, it’s her skin color. Yes, there are darker idols but they all have that one thing in common. They’re skinny. Hwasa is breaking all the rules when it comes to Koreas beauty standards and is proud of it.
Hwasa could have zero fat on her body and would still be called fat due to simply having a pear shaped body. It’s absurd how just because she is short and curvy and has wider hips that automatically makes her “fat” when she has always ALWAYS been skinny, she just has a different bone structure
I agree. Even at her 'heaviest', she is definitely very slim.
knetz comments are so strange like how do they even think of these nasty ass comments 😭
when u have no job u have all the time in the world
Hwasa is so talented, beautiful, and a great human being overall. I hope she stays healthy and keeps singing because her and all of Mamamoo’s voices are angelic.❤️🩹
Illella sold more than 100K in physicals which isn't actually bad for Mamamoo. They didn't chart well because cb announcement was only 2 weeks before the actual release. The fandom had no time to collect and prepare. The song had potential, but again mismanagement by their company. They uploaded the dance challenges to YT instead of TikTok (without MMMs knowledge). The song actually had a lot of hype when it was released. But the digital side was weak.
Update: Their US tour did great and is the top US debut tour for a kpop girl group. Hwasa has joined P Nation for solo activities.
I love Mamamoo. They were my introduction to Kpop music (besides Psy). As a westerner from Canada, it saddens me to see what they had to go through, they are very entertaining, not only as singers but as gigs they do on the side. To me they are a mix of TLC, En Vogue, Spice Girls all in one. Their management company probably didn't know how to handle a super group who has no limit. Hwasa weight has affected her a lot, the happiest is always when she eats and perform to her best self. In Illella you can tell she wasn't happy, extra covered up. Wheein is leaving next year but I hope the Mamamoo will stay united. Well done video. It was worth all the 25 min and 32 seconds 💖
Hecc, Hwasa's contract expires 6 months *before* Wheein's. Byul's and Solar's contracts expire a year after Hwasa's. No one loves Mamamoo more than Mamamoo so I think no matter what they do, they'll still interact publicly, and as the fan song goes, I'm "never letting go"!!!
Yeah, I also noticed Hwasa isn't her usual shining self during these Mic On promotions. I hope she gets better.
I never felt the culture shock as much as this video, every time a ‘shes fat’ comment showed up I couldn’t tell if it was spite from Hwasa’s success and that person’s insecurity or pure delusion
She binges because she keeps on getting hungry because the calorie intake is so low. Second thing if she keeps on gaining wait and have to starve herself just to look a certain way it's not her actual body size and she is forced to push it . Starving won't make her do the best instead make her more weak. Let her eat plssss it's so basic that a person needs to eat in order to keep functioning well.
They need better dietitians there is no way she should be starving herself. That was grim to watch. I hope she cares for herself this is not healthy
I cried because it's as if the people around her try to purposely not acknowledge she had a literal eating disorder. I am now extremely worried for all of the other idols who go through this.
Makes me really question the industry. :(
I'm glad she seems to have stopped crash dieting, but honestly I wish they weren't given crap for crash dieting at all, it's so understandable! She always was and is a beautiful girl, the size doesn't even matter, and what's more important is how charming and strong her personality is. Love you forever, Hwasa, hope 2023 and 24 are your best and peaceful years yet!
How does I'm a b not chart .. I swear K-pop fans only like twaddle main stream K-pop bops instead of decent art form songs 💀
as the years went on when i was a teen i saw celebrity like hwasa rise to popularity and thought of it as an improvement for beauty standards of society at large, but tbh it doesnt seem like anything changed. only superficial slogans (mindless self love that idols really dont practice) or "awareness" of mental illness (which we can see people still dont know how to approach) that people shallowly recite without them being reflected in actual society in any way. as a result, people suffer. hwasa almost became the face of a movement/beauty trend, but even that was a marketing strategy pushed on her to make the group marketable and popular with new generations. and it only hurt her mental health in the end. the trends seem to be changing again and its unfair people so talented see their careers be so subjectable to anything but the love for music. being in the public eye is so damaging and i wish these girls the best
I think she's so beautiful and I love her voice. Her stage presence is amazing I hope she never forgets that.
Right now it's trendy in Kpop to have a dead fish face on stage but Hwasa still serves emotion and passion every time.
Huhhh?? What on earth are you spewing? Who has a dead fish face?! How is it a TREND in Kpop…an industry where performances are very important and idols practice their facial expressions lol 🙄🙄🙄 Your face is just as important as your choreography and singing for your overall performance in Kpop. Please stop spewing random vitriol like this…especially when it has absolutely no backing or proof…like AT ALL. 🤡
How is that trendy omg. Korea crazy. It wasn’t hwasas body that stood out to me it was her face and facial expressions 😍l love a queen that gives a show !
Stop bashing others to praise your faves
Hwasa is one of my favorites. I am so sad that she has had such a poor relationship with her body and that people have been unkind. I think she's a very talented performer and smoking hot too.
They should stop treating starving as a diet. Their diet should be eating healthy and amount that is needed for them and with it they still wolud be able to stay in shape. And Definitely be happier overall!
I liked every version of her shown here. As long as she can perform well without getting tired or hurting herself she will be fine.
Hwasa is popular abroad because people love her stage presence and confidence to be herself. especially in an industry that wants you to be anything but yourself, Hwasa is an anomaly. I really respect and admire her as a person. I'm sure the journey with her body hasn't been easy but it has been great to see her open up about it.
Seeing Hwasa binge like that in the park would have been absolutely agonizing in its own right, but watching these people laugh at her while it happened literally made me sick. This woman is struggling so much with her mental health and her relationship to food that she has to tell herself to stop eating because she's in pain...and they fucking laugh. I can't imagine the pain that moment held for her and I hope that it isn't something she thinks of often
those people laughing at her binge eating should lose their jobs and never make a living. As someone who went from anorexia to binge eating for a while, it was the worst time of my life. I wanted to die. I would have multiple breakdowns in a day, would cry uncontrollably, I attempted to kiII myself. thankfully both times my family noticed it and helped me. I've had ed for 6+ years, anyone who laughs at eating disorders deserves nothing in life. I still heavily struggle with my ed but thankfully my friends and family are there for me. I'm so sad for her this is making me cry