If u wanna leave a statement that u either A. Can’t prove with feats or B. Think Spider-Man isn’t mentally strong enough Pls spare me ur stupidity/ ignorance and don’t comment I’ve read enough of it
Yeah I do agree with a lot you say here but, I can’t quote anything specifically, but if the milita managed to fire mass amounts of bullets around him so he can’t move around he would be overwhelmed, now I know that this is a very specific circumstance it probably would end up in spideys death
I also don’t think SpiderMan would be mentally strong enough to rid joker of his mind. If you can tell me a feat of that mental magnitude, I will relinquish my thought and agree with you
I think the reason Batman never made a cure for the fear toxin wasn't because he wasn't smart enough, but because he never gave himself time. Arkham Knight is about him relearning to trust his partners after Oracle's kidnapping shook Batman's core. Every minute Batman spends working on curing himself, he could have spent saving an innocent life or stopping a crime; tonight is all about overwhelming him before breaking him, and Scarecrow is banking that Bats will try to tough out the hallucinations like he has many times before, thus Batman is digging his hole deeper without knowing or acknowledging.
But we also know arkham batman is alive and we also new that ppl wouldn't be afraid of batman so maybe Bruce didn't make a cure so he uses the fear toxin on the evil ppl in Gotham to start a new myth of the batman
@@triceratroytv2292 Bruce ne va pas vers la lumière ils ne me laisseront pas rentrer 😂 " oh t'en va rejoindre papa et maman au country club la bas dans le ciel " " Approcher les enfants voici tonton Slade qui va nous raconter son histoire de guerre dans les tranchées demander lui de nous parler des fausses communes hahahaha c'est trop drôle 😂🃏 "
Spidey's biggest problem would be Ivy's pheromones. He can tear apart a small army, but the way Insomniac writes him, he falls apart any time MJ, Cat, or even Sable makes a vaguely flirty remark. If he doesn't know to wear a gas mask anywhere within 50 meters of Ivy, he's doomed. 😁
That ain't really true. He's actively trying to date MJ so that makes sense, and BC was trolling him by thinking they had a kid so that makes sense he's always flustered as he tryin to help her protect THEIR non existent kid. And Sable didn't really flirt or anything really. Seeing as he managed to beat hallucination Scorpion in his own game, he'd beat Ivy quite easily
I played the main story + DLC and don’t remember any “flirty” signs between Peter and sable. More of a friendship thing than flirty, and he has a past with MJ and black cat. Also the spider sense would negate poison ivys main moves
@@NJohnsonProductions The thing about Ivy's Poison is that it doesn't necessarily attack the person depending on what she uses. It CONTROLS them. So he's have to rely on will and not really spider sense. Scorpion's poison also messed up his Spider Sense. Not to mention Ivy's poison is stromg emough to affect SUPERMAN so💀
I would totally be down for an Insomniac Superior Spiderman game, but I would understand it would not be very financially suitable as most non-comic fans would even think about having doc oc controlling spiderman, but I know insomniac can do it justice
@@DeekyRickyyyoh they're absolutely building up to a superior game. did you hear all that in the first game about how his body is decaying but his mind is still strong? Peter even used a lot of his technology including tech that taps into his brain. they're setting the stage for superior either in the 3rd game or 4th
Genius idea: PS4 Spider-Man in Arkham would be a Batman-esque hero named “Insomniac” (because of the fear he strikes into criminals as he patrols the night).
@@HaydenStephens515 Also a very good choice. I only used Insomniac specifically because we’re talking about PS4 Spider-Man. Any other version of the character and Arachnophobia is the undebatable better option!
As a fan of the Arkham series, the Insomniac Spider-Man series, and video game crossovers as a whole, I loved the concept of both videos that you and Crisis made. Hoping you two will consider collaborating again in the near future and giving us the scenarios of Batman surviving the events of Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man in SSKTJL.
Only problem I have is the assumption that in that universe, despite Spider-Man being Gotham’s vigilante and Jason having the same relationship he had originally with batman, all the villains and Jason use the tactics they created specifically to fight batman and not Spider-Man. Like they have decades of experience fighting Spider-Man at this point and use a plan not suited for him which was the point of Arkham knight.
@@kellyevans6778 it’s still “Batman’s world” but instead of batman, Spider-Man grew up as Gotham vigilante instead so villains using a plan for batman doesn’t make sense (he doesn’t exist).
@@ScarletStrain Nah bro, that wouldn't make sense at all. If Peter grew up in a Batman's home with all that money with him and got bitten by a radioactive spider, situations would be entirely different. First off, Spider-Man wouldn't just make an entire arsenal to fight criminals. Instead, he would use most of the money to help people. Like establishing FEAST or any other better organizations because he has that money. He would be a lot friendlier with people and help them in everything and won't be an emo. Normal human villains like Joker wouldn't actually be a threat. And Gotham would probably be a safer place. And he wouldn't actually recruit orphan kids to help him like Batman. So events of Arkham Knight won't happen. Jason, Dick, Robin...etc all be in FEAST or something like that. You might bring up Miles here. But he didn't actually need Miles help even after he got spider powers. He was hesitant. But later teamed up. So he will be a solo guy. With that money and his incredible work in biology, he probably would make a lot of cures and other stuff that would help people and maybe the villains too. As per Batman in Spider-Man situations, he wouldn't exist because he needs that damn money.
Well tbh you’d kinda need Spidey NOT to spend years in Batman’s world for this to even work, but let’s say he did and somehow this situation DID come to pass. What strategy are you using against Spider-man other than making him decide between a civilian’s safety and his own? Like that’s rlly it, and it’s not like you can actually mentally break Spider-man, regardless of the incarnation Spider-man as a character is all about getting back up and pushing through literally anything. There’s not much that can actually put him down for good, that’s including multiversal bs that take away his family and deals with the devil
Thing is, Spider-Man basic stats already made him pretty much invincible againts these chumps (if he has a proper gas mask under the Spider-Man one, Fear Toxin), i dont think Joker can infected him with his poison since his Advanced Suit is pretty durable - thanks to Doc Ock's design (Spider Sense too). And that does not included the gadgets he had and the Anti-Ock Suit he made (that suit has Neuro Transmission Interfere Techs, it make his body and reflexes become faster due to the signal travel from the brain to his body in a nanosecond).
@@Dhxgdbdhhxhdjdj it's also very explicitly stated that gas masks are useless against this version of fear toxin, and respirators too, the militia say that the only way to not get gassed is by being up high or deep underground.
@@Dhxgdbdhhxhdjdj Anyway, I don't think fear Toxin can last long enough. Spidey has survived Scorpion's venom tails which was supposed to kill an elephant instantly. His Immune System is enhanced too.
i feel like peter might know that barbara death isn't real. i don't think the spider sense is gone over in detail in ps4, prob cuz its made with the assumption u already know the basics of spider-man, but a lotta interpretations show that it can detect objects ( peter swinging while drugged by scorpion in ps4, far from home drone fight in the hallway), so he might be able to sense the gun isn't there not entirely sure and would prob ruin the premise of the vid tho but think there's a chance
It’s possible but for the sake of making the vid interesting the Joker effects wouldn’t let that work, and as u mentioned it’s never clarified all the details of Insomnaic Spider-Man sense doing that specifically
Besides, I would think the fear toxin would effect Spiderman differently as I don't believe he would see the same things Batman sees such as Joker being every where and Barbara shooting herself. Instead it would be more of like when Scorpion intoxicated him in the game and when he was fighting Mr.Negative. If Spiderman came into contact with Scarecrows toxin my guess is he would see the entire city falling apart and being haunted by all the people he couldn't save.
Batman: "Spider-Man." Spidey: "Whoa! How do you do that?" Batman: "You rigged up your own Bat Signal. What do you need?" Spidey: "Didn't know how else to contact you guys. Did you misplace this clown in my city?" Joker: ** Robin: "Huh. What's wrong with him?" Spidey: "We were having a good time trading barbs and then he got all upset after I took him down. He must really hate being upstaged in the jokes depart-" Joker: "YOU DIDN'T UPSTAGE ME, YOU DISRESPECTFUL LITTLE PU-!" Spidey: ** "Simmer down there, Jonah That Laughs." Robin: "Can I get a pair of those?" Batman: "Appreciate the assist. Would you care to explain the big game hunter stereotype that came at me with a spear?" Spidey: "...Can I plead the fifth?"
There's no question that Spider-man is inherently stronger than Batman, however. I'm sure that if Batman can come up for a anti-Superman solution, he might just be smart enough to find a way to stop all sinister six villains. It would take a whole lot more time and money than in the Arkham games, but I feel like context with fighting these characters for as long as Peter has would give him an idea on how to beat them. If we're talking both of them just suddenly switch and have to communicate like 2099 and 616 Spider-men, then yeah, Batman would have no chance; but if we're talking about them growing up in each other's worlds, I feel like both of them could fair pretty darn well with their enemies. Batman is too smart and resilient to be beaten by Spider-man's villains, I believe. Spider-man is too good at improvising during battle (with the aid of spidey-sense) to be beaten by Batman's villains. They both fight like they're solving equations and being challenged to complete an unbeatable task, so that's why I feel both of them wouldn't be too soon shaken if they were raised in the other's world, with the only exception of their upbringing being the characters they are in the original worlds.
Superman's contingencies is relying on such factors as Kryptonite, Superman's actively holding back and other. It also required Batman to have a lot of relationships with Superman to actually know his weaknesses and other stuff. Superman himself gave him a Kryptonite in case if he would go rogue. It's not the same as having a tussle against several different and previously not known by Batman villains. Sure, he could spend a time to collect a data about them and develop a plan how to beat them, but it would require a time and resources. Plus, Spider-Man is way more familiar and experienced with his villains, so he has better knowledge about them and their powers, abilities and weaknesses.
Nah, that is plot armor written in. How do you even hope to compete as a normal human against a man that can sense danger due to vibrations in the air. Let's not forget that to make things exciting they also randomly let characters forget entire abilities they have. Batman no matter how much he prepares cannot defeat Superman. Thinking of Superman's basic abilities, X ray vision and super speed will negate a lot of planning, let's not forget this man can freeze you with his breath or clap you away literally(destroying your ear drums and equilibrium). I hate dumb writing, but Superman is always made to be dumb for plot reasons. Everything about Superman is heightened, so how does Batman pull disappearing act you seen in the animations, exactly it's BS plot armor. Batman coming back from a broken back to fight Azrael is also plot armor for this guy. Detective my ass, he has money and even that won't give him wins against the likes of the Flash, Supes, Aquaman, Wonder woman and pretty much the meta humans of DC. I stopped reading Batman because his victories make no sense when he's fighting enemies that are nigh invulnerable. It's always this BS planning crap, writers need to give it up. These a point when no amount of planning can stop the inevitable. How does a human stop Flash? You realize he moves so fast you cannot visibly perceive him and forget seeing him, reacting to him is even more impossible for a human, most meta humans can't react. Meh, Batman has the most plot armor seen by a character ever!
@evilformerlys4704 You're using the excuse that "A normal human shouldn't be able to compete", while in that universe, logically impossible things happen. Batman isn't just a normal human though. By definition, the flash is also a human. The writers can write batman to be however strong they want him to be
The conversation between Peter and the Bat Family (Spider Family? I guess lol) could be a really emotional moment (Alfred could be listening in too) I could see Peter silently break down in front of them about how far he's been pushed, taking a life and beating himself up over it as he trusts them to take care of the city in his brief absence, him taking off his mask as they see his face, not Spider-Man but Peter Parker and before he leaves he thanks them and says "After tonight Spider-Man will be no more." Loved this video, I'd love to see you two tackle the other Arkham games like Origins and City and how Spider-Man would interact there
Not even an hour and a half, he'd clear that game in the first 5 minutes. The actual arkham knight wouldn't stand a chance in a hand to hand combat, neither would any batman rogues. People tend to prop up batman like he's the greatest super hero, but he's not. At all. He's pretty weak, he's only as strong as a man can be. He's smart, but not smarter than Peter. Spider-Man would mop the floor with batman, even if batman had YEARS to plan and prep against Spider-Man.
@cameronpritchett8300 I think you're missing the point of Batman stories, ik that both these characters fanbases can be really annoying, but I'd say the more interesting scenario here would be if Spidey could survive Arkham mentally since Peter's greatest struggle has always been his guilt and grief
Jason’s reason for attacking batman in this game is because he felt abandoned not because batman didnt kill joker. In the under the red hood movie, it was the opposite, jason didnt care that batman couldnt save him, he was upset that batman didnt avenge him. In arkham knight joker is already dead so why would he feel this way?
Jason hates Bruce in AK because of him basically being brainwashed by the joker and the rest was him pissed that Bruce never learned his lesson as he still took in Tim. Plus JT makes reference to viewing what Batman did was the equivalent of training a child soldier as he taught Jason to take his rage and turn it into a weapon against criminals which to him came off as manipulation.
@@kwayneboy1524 he wasnt pissed that bruce took in tim per se. He more so just felt replaced. And it wasnt a super long time between him being replaced. In his torture scene with jason he tells him its been 6 months and batman had just replaced him with tim. Jason does make that reference but we know that batman is trying to mold them so they don’t go down the dark path he was headed when they first met. So sure u can say it’s manipulation but jasons stories typically implies he woulda ended up a criminial anyway and bruce just wanted to change that.
Spider-Man wearing the black suit, while being affected by the Joker toxin and Scarecrow’s fear gas in Gotham, is so fucking awesome and terrifying. Honestly Spider-Man in Gotham is an idea that should be explored more. W video as always! Also did you know that the main function of a pine cone is to keep a pine tree's seeds safe.
Barbara's death was a vision of the fear toxin. Since Peter already cured it at this point in the story, wouldn't he have not seen that? Also, Jason didn’t want Batman to break his no kill rule in Arkham Knight. He wanted to make him pay for letting him die. Hence why he took over the city and was targeting people who were close to him. He fully intended to kill Batman, so i don't think he would've necessarily egged Bruce on. Other than that, good video
I clarified Peter would still be hallucinating in the beginning of the vid, also I think it’s kinda far fetched to say Jason wouldn’t want Batman to kill
@@C0LIN.I have to disagree on that Jason wants to kill Bruce is from the start of the game that he was going to it shown in the audio logs as well he fully commits that he wants to kill him
If Jason has the same relationship/grudge with Peter as he had with Bruce, he's gonna be prepared for Peter. He's not gonna just jump him and immediately get unmasked and captured. He'd probably have a way to dissolve Peters webbing too.
@@C0LIN. The fact he knew where Bruce's armour is weakest. If the point is that everyone has the same relationships with Pete as they did with Bruce then Jason would know how Pete functions and understand how to match up to him.
Hes not gonna even hit him one time 😂 spiderman its stronger in everything and has spider sense but u dc fanboy cant accept that pls dont bring me some stupid almost invincible superman or black adam ecc shit 😂 Cuz this is what if of spiderman and batman if they swap universe.
@@C0LIN. Uh becoming the Arkham Knight? Wasnt his whole deal that he Knew about batmans strengths and weaknesses and that he wanted revenge on him? Wouldnt Batman just be replaced with Spiderman in this story? You couldve made it so that Jasons Arkham Knight suit gives him superhuman enhancements or something
8:33 I love this part right here. You reminded me of when Yuri broke her rule because she saw her whole squad get killed by Hammerhead. But Spider Man decided to listen to her after she told him the justice system doesn't do it job right (or something like that). It gave me Jason Todd and under the red hood vibes.
@@abeydaby16Spidey is similar to Superman with regards to killing. He would rather avoid it if at all possible and despises any kill-first approach. This is most evident in the comic when he will drop a building on a villain or overload their equipment to explode. He cannot know that they'd survive, but he takes his chances to save the people being threatened in the moment. Peter also wouldn't lose himself and become psychotic if he was ever forced to cross that line.
“Batman would die fighting the sinister six” bro if Batman was in Insomniac’s verse the sinister six wouldn’t have been a thing. Unlike Peter, Bats doesn’t blindly believe in the good of people. As soon as Otto started tweaking Bruce would have ended the threat via some countermeasures, either being a custom disrupt or variant he makes using his time with Otto, or straight up stealing the chip necessary for operation. Under a Bat-patrolled NY, Norman would be arrested/publicly shamed long before Otto’s sanity degraded. Now if we’re talking 1 on 1, Batman would have access to the technologies needed to create specialized solutions to the Sinister six independently. If KRAVEN can pull it off, Bruce with his greater feats and resources could too.
I dont even think scarecrow fear toxin would last that long for spider-man since its effects only last a few hours but for spider-man accelerated metabolism and healing factor it might last for a few mins probably half a hour at best
@@theperson8539Peter dodges electricity so bullets are irrelevant and he would never get the drop on him unlike Batman. Peter is unpredictable while Jason is close to Batman’s skill.
@@christophercardoza2872 Peter isn’t unpredictable, I’d argue it is the opposite, as his Spider-Sense is more like a reflex that could be predicted. If the Arkham Knight knew how he functioned, I think he could find a way to either trick him into letting his guard down, poison him however he could, and then straight-up shoot him as many times as it takes. I think he would take no chances with Peter, so he would either mess with the fear toxin to specifically destroy Spider-Man, or take the more drastic approach of poisoning all of Gotham’s food and water to fully incapacitate Spider-Man. Also, Peter would be far more impulsive if he actually witnessed Barbara Gordon die, he would not be able to deal with that like Batman could. He doesn’t have the emotional strength, which is different to willpower.
haven't even watched the vid yet and I'm saying it now, batman could take on, MAYBE, scorpion, Rhino and Vulture. everyone else wins easy against him. Spidey cleans house with crane, ivy, and jason. Gotham is saved in like 4 hours maximum. Edit: FINALLY! someone else who understand that spiderman doesn't have a 'no kill' rule! he does his best to not kill people, he doesn't do it lightly, but if you piss him off enough, you will die.
Rhino isn’t like Bane where he can be taken out scorpion would poison Bruce before he could react vulture maybe Electro definitely is possible he has a big mouth but he could just fly bruce up in the air he can’t survive a 10000 meters up in the air it not possible even if he has the batwing as for Mr.negative possibility he could win and I think the reason why Peter didn’t give in is because he has a pure of heart unlike Bruce who I would say he can be but his pain would bot allow him to do so Otto definitely would beat bruce any version could the guy is not only a genius but the arm’s actually are pretty fast
Batman vs the Sinister Six isn’t a fair fight at all. Electro fried the shit out of whole power plants and can destroy a building. Batman doesn’t have anything in his arsenal to defeat him. Rhino? Batman cannot disable Rhino’s powers like he did with Bane. Rhino is attached to that suit. It’s like a part of his body. Bruce has freeze grenades but Rhino can destroy them. Batman isn’t scratching Rhino. However, if Rhino is somehow kept down Batman can deal some damage as he managed to get some hits in on Solomon Grundy. Vulture vs Batman would be somewhat like Batman vs Firefly. Arkham Batman defeats Vulture with Mid Diff. Scorpion alone would be Mid high Diff for Bruce. Finally, Dr Octopus is destroying him. His tentacles are faster and stronger than Spider-Man. How is Batman hitting him? Doc Ock slams him. In the end, Batman would be able to beat some of them if their alone but together they overwhelm him massively. Also, this is him without Prep because with prep he would win.
@@captainrantman3892Realistically, scorpion is the only one Batman could beat. All the others have enough damage to one-shot him or the durability to never be hurt by him
@stinky9067 I was thinking that Vulture's combination of speed, range, and flight would be a problem. But physically, it's not as insane as rhino who would instantly kill him
I've had this conversation with my buddy several times and we always come to the same conclusion. If Peter were in Gotham contending with Bat's rogues gallery Gotham would be crime free.
The question is not whether Spider-Man would survive Batman villains. The question is how badly Spider-Man would massacre Batman villains. One serious punch from Spidey and most of the Bat rogue gallery lose their head. Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Poison ivy and Bane could give some challenge but nothing too serious.
"Pinecone." I love scenarios like this, putting characters into something else and seeing how They fair in the situation something about is so interesting. Great work, keep doing what you are doing
Honestly I wasn’t surprise when you said Peter kills slade or turn to the dark, because it’s true that if Peter’s love ones are in danger or are killed, Peter will do worse than just kill them. Seriously in comics he hangs guy over a bunch rats and beats kingpin to a bloody pulp and lets him live so he can not only feel shamed by the inmates that watch him but also he wants to kill him once aunt may dies. That just dark and love it.
"In comics". I definitely agree with you, if we were talking about the comics. However, we're not. We're talking about insomniac spider man, the same spider man who chose the city over aunt may. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't kill anyone even if (and when, cuz let's be honest 🤷♂️) given the opportunity.
@@elliotsturtplus340 yea I think only time spider man actually killed in live action is was in amazing spider man 2 where he kinda killed Electrio and that was really where he actually killed him not on accident
@@hellreaper2845 Yea I agree I think if he was under influence of symboie then I think he just might esppecally with spider man 2 gameplay trailer him going all Emo.
I thought you were going for a Peter "killed" Deathstroke cause he knew about his healing factor, meaning he doesnt have to play nice. Like Batman did with the Court of owl Talons
I think Batman would survive the Sinister Six. Batman and Spider-Man's minds are very alike because they are both geniuses, have a no kill rule, prioritize saving people before themselves, have similar morals, and are also adaptable. Batman has faced and taken down a Man-Bat (Vulture). Scarecrow who makes Batman mentally fight him, plus Batman is highly adaptable and can take down enemies who have deadly weapons like swords, spears, guns, knives, bats, and hammers (Mr. Negative and Mysterio). Poison Ivy who has control over many plants which can act like many arms (Doctor Octopus). Scarecrow again has the deadliest fear toxin (Scorpion). Spiderman beat Electro with electrician gloves, so Batman could make an electrically insulated suit and some gloves, plus he can buff his remote electrical charge to best Electro, Green Goblin is a joker on a flying surfboard, he has also beaten Bane who is very similar to Rhino, Kraven is a human who batman will best at combat because he has many different fighting styles. He has beaten Killer Croc (Lizard). He has beaten Clayface who can mold into many shapes (Sandman). I think Arkham Batman would definitely be able to protect New York, just as Spider-Man would be able to protect Gotham.
The Sinister Six wouldn't exist because Otto needed Peter's expertise to have his breakthrough. Bruce ain't gonna be working for Otto. Without Peter, there is no Doc Ock. Without Doc Ock, there is no Sinister Six. Batman's journey through SM1 would end with arresting Mister Negative.
@@teo_the_riddler batmans villains are pretty weak compared to Spider-Man’s. If you put Spider-Man in Arkham it would’ve took place over an hour or two. That’s a pretty weak argument considering Spider-Man wasn’t aware of the villain’s existence until days later into the plot
batman would not die to the sinister six he can casually take an explosion like its nothing, fight off fear gas and titan and can be punched through walls by bane
The assumption that Joker would attempt to infect Spider-Man the same way he did Batman is pretty lame considering Joker is proven to be just as if not more intelligent than Batman at times. He would absolutely have a different approach with respect to spidey sense.
If they swapped cities, Batman would either die fighting all 6 of the sinister 6 or stay the same but enjoy the fact not all of them are as terrifying as what he had to deal with nightly and somehow keep up since he can keep up with the JL. And for Spider-Man it would either be easy since many of them are weaker or he’d struggle not to initiate self destruct with all the insane horror movie villains abusing drugs by using them on everyone else
I don‘t think that one of the Sinister 6 would land a hit on Batman. And as a great detective he would notice from the table of the laboratory that Doc Ock is up to something and stoping him before things get to role. And realize who Negative man is, after their first encounter… sorry, but the sinister 6 are not a big thread do the Bat.
@@mariahronnkristjansdottir8231 I am pretty sure that Batman suit is in the most parts Kefla and Gum. Electro is really not a threat and will be knocked down with a glas of water or/ and EMP.
People love using the excuse that batman is better because he went up against tanks. Yet ps4 spiderman literally stopped sable tanks which telling from the tech sable has they were far more advanced then Arkham knight tech. Not to mention basic tanks aren't as fast as cars are and it looks like Arkham knight used basic tanks with more weapons. While sable created a tank that could keep up with the speed of a car which just makes spiderman stopping sable tanks far more impressive.
@@abeydaby16 yes tf they are they are literally tanks with way better tech and more faster literally stated to be tanks they are literally just smaller tanks which makes it better and faster then a regular tank.
@@abeydaby16 they are faster because they are tanks made to be faster and smaller. they have the same features and daurbitly as a tank just faster with more tech. they do compare you clearly haven't played spiderman because. those arkham tanks aren't that powerful.
Look I love Spider-Man more than Batman but even I know Peter would have some difficulty with certain people and vice versa. They also have different tactics for dealing with things which plays a huge role. Like what can Otto do against someone who hides in the shadows, can dodge his attacks and has multiple skills and gadgets to make most fights seem easy? What is scarecrow supposed to do against someone with spider sense? Also I don’t think impaling and snapping Slades neck would actually kill him.
Batman is out scaled by Otto so it doesn’t matter if he uses the shadows, also Otto’s arms give him 360 vision all around him. And tf u mean that wouldn’t kill Deathstroke💀
@@C0LIN. isn’t Batman literally outscaled by most of his villains? Clayface, killer croc, poison ivy, bane, Ra’s, etc but still manages to win with skill and intellect? Also because of slades healing factor. It’s not wolverine like but it’s still is one which is why I said that.
@@seanwuzhere12Arkham Batman can still hurt superhumans with his punches alone... Killer Croc has a healing factor and Arkham Origins batman managed to hurt him and knock him out when he wanted to not to mention the hard scaley skin that Croc has..... even though the Deathstroke boss fight in Arkham Knight is full of shit, batman still one shotted him with his punch and in the Arkham verse, Deathstroke has a healing factor
@@C0LIN.Otto is tech based, meaning all batman has to do is disable his arms. He would simply make some type of emp grenade or hacking device (which he already has) to disable them and pummel the living shit outta him. Without the arms, Otto is just a man.
@@TUI.MYSTICjust put the sources In here becuse the only one I'd see him beating might be Mr negative and that's me playing devils advocate for batman
@@TUI.MYSTIC if you make a claim provide a source instead of saying uhh yea the comics and uh type shi actually state the issue and run instead of sorcebooks say which one your making your claim based on
In the Arkham comics batman was actually forced to fight Solomon Grundy for. Week straight with no rest. And he beat him everytime with no weapons the whole time. Afterward she had to track down and save 365 random civilians who were selected by calendar man randomly to be killed. And then he had to come back for another challenge right after. Idk what human can fight a hulk monster for a week straight with no sleep. Even then I don’t think he can clear Mr Negative or Dr Otto and possibly electro.
good video i am kinda confused since the main reason the Arkham knight was a threat was because he was prepared for literally everything Batman had since they have the same relationships you would think he wouldn't be stupid enough to try to attack him like that and have a way to combat his webs and not get beaten that fast
Spiderman got defeated by silver sable repeatedly. He only got released because Yuri told sable to release him. Arkham Knight would murder spiderman first encounter
As two of my top 5 favorite characters are Batman and Spider-Man, I really like this topic. Here’s my two cents. Arkham Knight Batman could beat the sinister six, yes, but it would be a comic nightfall situation. While Peter would absolutely wreck any of Batman’s villains, most of them are just crazy people. Most of Spider-Man's villains are genius mad scientists, so the few of Batman’s that can rival his intelligence would just be another Tuesday. Now, comparing their intelligence is where this really gets interesting. Peter is stated to have an IQ of 250 in the comics, and the same is true for the game series. Bruce’s IQ is either 190 or 210, depending on the writer, but in the games it is still a remarkable 192. Now, given that IQ is a measure of how smart a person could be with the best resources available, not how smart they are, I would say that although Peter is a gorilla in science, mathematics, engineering, and chemistry, genius Bruce had more resources than Peter, so they are probably around the same intelligence level. This, in the games, can be argued by them both being able to invent highly advanced adhesive technology. Peter with his webbing and Bruce with his glue grenade from Origins
I wanna really quickly explain the different powersets of the Villains to see whos more powerful Electro - Electricity Powers, extremley fast and powerful Rhino - Bulky powerhouse who took down Peter Mr Negative - Highly powerful (possibly mind altering) blasts Vulture - Air based combat, fast enough to catch Spider-Man off guard and can fire blades Doctor Otto Octavius (Respect his fucking name) - Four extremley durable and flexible arms, sharp edges being able to stab through the same material it is made out of Scorpion - Fast poison based combat via giant fucking tail Jason Todd - Guns and Martial Arts Scarecrow - Fear Toxin (Spider-Man can recover much faster due to his advanced metabolism) Penguin - Basically Fisk but less of a threat Deathstroke - I feel I could say hes comparable to TaskMaster, but uhm... hmm Riddler - basically a different Screwball type character, but more puzzles, also like taskmaster in a weird way, Peter also has a detective like vision via Spider-Sense and his lenses I think its fair to say Peter wins due to his more Super Powered Rouges, don't give me the prep time bullshit, Peter with Prep Time has a higher advantage
@@abeydaby16ro you do realize spidey has fought back mentally against poison and literally broke free from mind control on his own with no help and insomniac spidey literally created a suit that made him a speedster he can easily create a suit that protects him from fear toxin his IQ is 250+ while batmans is 192 fear toxin isnt touching spidey
@@abeydaby16he prolly didn’t have the needed material to make another one. Granted I haven’t taken the time to read that comic but I’m sure if they explained away the suit they prolly made a reason for him not to have it ever again
Physically, Spider-Man is taking down all of Gotham with ease. But mentally, I don't think so. It's only a matter of time until a villain like Joker manages to turn him into Injustice Superman or The Batman who Laughs. Even if he wins, Peter would lose himself like Green Goblin nearly did to Peter in NWH. So physically, Spider-Man wins, but Peter loses himself and might end up as an even deadlier and scarier version of Batman. Oh, and Pinecone
Physically Spider-Man doesn’t have a problem dealing with Batman foes except for clay-face and maybe killer croc since he has a great healing factor. Maybe Bane too a certain extent as well, But most of Batmans Enemies are more mentally taxing than physical like joker and scarcrow ect. So Batman definitely gets the mental advantage, the guy will never kill no matter what he didn’t wanna kill scarecrow even when he thought Barbra killed herself because of his fear toxin and You stated that Spider-Man will kill if he’s pushed enough and Spider-Man has let his emotions get the better of him before. I don’t think he’s mentally strong enough to handle joker and the fear toxin at all and joker would take over peter body
Saying that any of Batman’s physical villains pose a problem already tells me u don’t know anything about Spider-Man… And ya I had Joker take over Spider-Man just as Batman gets taken with Joker to say that Batman is on another level of mental will power of Spider-Man is simply just false Peter was dealing with hallucinations that hone into his fears and a shit ton of emotional loss and self doubt and guess what he prevailed. Y’all need to stop acting like Spider-Man is weak mentally
@@C0LIN. lol you say I don’t know shit about Spider-Man but then instantly show you don’t know how fear toxin works Peter has a lot more fears than a Batman proven by you and the game and character itself, that would only make the toxin more effective on him. And I Said MAYBE croc and bane could pose a threat since croc has a great Healing factor and bane is a master tactician he’ll watch Spider-Man and analyze him before straight up fighting him like he did with Batman. and clay face would definitely be hard fight he’s very similar to sandman who Spider-Man already struggles with. Also I never said Peter is mentally weak I just stated Batman is more mentally stronger which he is, he’s only human at the end of the day and still has the will to fight an army and fear toxin and joker trying to take over his body 🤷♂️
@@daraghokane4236 gas that goes through cloths and gas masks and spreads in multi directions and covers entire buildings and blocks in seconds, and eventually gets an even stronger version which covers the entire city in seconds. it’s not like dodging singular bullets coming from a specific direction. Plus Spider-Man was tagged by silver stable Multiple times (which i agree with people saying it’s bullshit) but that’s what happened
I think insomniac spidey would survive, but definitely wouldn't be able to defeat all of the villains in one night. Because it's also canon that batman does all of the side missions along with the main story missions in one night. Plus, spiderman isn't the world's greatest detective like batman is. So scarecrow would most likely be able to succeed.
Most of Batman’s villains bait Batman to catch them and ask for his attention Also most of Batman’s detective work comes down to simply finding clues with detective mode and Make connections using the clues he is found to narrow a search for instance professor pig left his victims to be found and even though he removed the fingerprints and dna was corrupted Spider-Man like Batman has AI and special vision through his mask and would be able to find all the Unique identifiers Meaning all peter has to do that Hyman can that he might not is have people do the cross referencing which peter may not have time to do in the moment like say Alfred and Barbra
@ATalesTruth- In gameplay it may seem like the whole detective thing is easy, but you forget that batman is the best detective on earth. So if he was struggling to find scarecrow, there's no chance spiderman is. Batman is such a good strategist that he was able to do all the contents of the main story as well as all of the side missions in one night
@@LucaBattiato-lm4rn to be honest the game itself was stupid based on the fact is batman was the greatest in the world he is damn stupid at times because the writing ti arkahm knight is so bad Firstly batman wouldn’t need to set up a satellite to figure out the only place in Gotham capable of creating a chemical bomb is ACE chemicals As if he didn’t waste time with the satellite he would have immediately head there and stop scarecrow sooner Heck they basically fortified a 1 island out of Gotham having their HQ there so du scarecrow is there And even stage enterprise blimps are in Gotham Is Batman was the greatest detective he wouldn’t have gone through all the trouble to figure out trivial stuff that can easily pice together all this And he had days after scarecrows threat and didn’t come up with anything up until the night all the villains plans(which revolve around Batman) are in action Not to mention the fact is scarecrow the arkahm knight aszrel professor big black fire, fire fly riddler so on to all the side villains All are giving away their location and are baiting Batman to come for them Because they all want to beat Batman or have an audience This isn’t the villains trying to do plans that are under the radar or trying not to get Batman’s attention when their whole plan revolves around Batman Where as Spider-Man’s villains I doubt Batman would be able to stop them all in 1 night because people like mr negtive was always on the move never staying in one place and was trying to do things at a pace without trying to get the full attention Spider-Man as Spider-Man would ruin the plan Otto and Mr negatives fisk, roxxon tinker and all the side villains plan don’t revolve around Spider-Man baiting him or trying to get his attention The whole reason Spider-Man doesn’t do everything in one night is because he is dealing with thing all around and the fact the villains aren’t going out of their way to make spidemrna come after them Nor do their plans hinge on happening in one day or night Basically if Batman was put in the Spider-Man game I doubt you say he be able to stop any of the villains or events of the ps4 game in 1 night because unlike the Arkham games non of the villains are fixated with Spider-Man while all the villains in the Arkham Games are literally begging for Batman to come after them It’s even said in the Arkham franchise Batman couldn’t even locate jokers bomb in assault on Arkham and needed multiple nights to even locate it because joker was actually trying to avoid Batman’s attention(he had it with him in the asylum and Batman don’t figure until joker made his move ) Same can be said with the suicide squad That had Harley not F up on her act and the fact the suicide squad was more careful with the secret cameras Batman wouldn’t have piced it together in time till it was to late Basically the point is batman only does well when the villains ask for his attention and when they don’t want his attention it takes batman a lot longer to get things done Think about it arkahm asylum and city are both prisons which the villains are out in the open trying to toy with Batman and kill him even announcing where they are In origins the assassins are trying to get Batman’s attention to get the 50 mill using hostages and trying ti kill yin before the night ends or they won’t get the 50 mill And in knight scarecrow And Jason want Batman’s attention same with every other villain in an abandoned Gotham city where throughout scarecrow’s first threat days past with the evacuation of the 6 million people and batman didn’t find any villains or track them down in those days till their plans that night were set in motion that night Batman is only able to do this shit in one night due to the setting and the villains asking for attention not because batman has to track them down when they otherwise don’t want to be tracked in a populated city and try to execute their plans without Batman interfering (when all of them have plans revolving around batman) batman would take a lot longer than 1 night to get shit done Ps I even say if you put spidemrna in arkahm asylum city origins or knight spidemrna would also be able to track down and stop the villain in one night maybe even easier than Batman given he can get past any physical challenges and is smart enough to tangle with the villains in general not to mention if he gets outside help like Batman(Alfred with mj, Barbra with ganke, Gordon with yuri, catwomen with black cat, robin or night wing with miles) and I guarantee Spider-Man would get through any threat in a combat setting faster than hangman making up for the time he may have in trying to track down the villains Basically if Spider-Man was in the Arkham games He have an easier time combat wise but have trouble tracking down If Batman was in the Spider-Man games he have an easier time tracking down but would struggle more in combat It’s that simple In either case spidemrna clears Batman rouges in one night And Batman would take more than one night like Spider-Man to take down all his rogues
i would love to know what type of character would be born if spiderman and batman did a goku and vegeta fusion. since that would atleast be a lil intresting since you need to combine spiderman sarcastic sillyness and batman serious and cold reactions and more and that would make a really strong combination for me.
Why would you assume that's Spider-Man would be able to cure scarecrows fear toxic while under its effects? scorpions poison is just that, a deadly poison that induces hallucinations, fear toxin is a hallucinogenic meant to drive someone insane. What Spider-Man did was make a cure for the poison that was killing him, you can't cure a hallucinogenic you can only ride it out. As much as I love Spider-Man, he's more likely to end up like the cop at the start of the Arkham knight, then power through it like batman does.
Mr Negative would probably give batman a mental breakdown with visions of his parents dying or Batman would be able to reason with Mr Negative to change sides and turn him into mr positive.
Really enjoyed this. I'd love to see what if PS4 Spider-Man was in the other arkham games, that'd be brilliant. Really, enjoyed this going to see Arkham Batman in Marvel's Spider-Man.
Spider-Man doesn't have anywhere close to the mental fortitude required that Batman had developed in his time of being Batman would have to survive Arkham Knight, even though he clears a solid chunk of the Arkham Universe physically. Not having as many resources to quickly whip an invention up like Bruce can inside the Wayne Tower really hurts Peter as well since he thrives in 'Guerilla Science' especially if he's given a lot of money or tools. (What Otto initially described Peter as in one of the audio logs with the way he can quickly improvise and make solutions). Joker mentally torturing him through the fear toxin would be unlike anything he's experienced on-screen psychologically. I think Joker would be mocking him plenty over his failures such as May, MJ, Otto, Harry, etc and because Peter lacks the discipline Batman does, Peter wouldn't thug out the mental hallucinations for anywhere near as long as Bruce did. But at the same time, I think he'd be getting stretched just as thin as Bruce trying to create a cure for the hallucinations while also taking everything on at once. He'd likely prioritize the hallucinations to preserve his mind for a little while longer before taking care of anything else he can't handle while tripping off the hallucinations. While it's ubiquitous as to whether Peter has a no-kill rule in this universe, I believe that he'd find it foolish to keep certain people of Batman's rogues gallery alive, especially if he's deep into the night dealing with them and he's just totally done with the bullshit. I don't think Joker's blood would affect him as badly as it did Bruce but the mental toll of having to go through the likes of Professor Pyg and seeing his Dollatronics, Killer Croc's situation, Nora's situation, deciding whether to cut the plug on Ra Al Ghul, watching Barbara 'die', being on Stagg's ship, the Crime Alley ordeal, Manbat, rescuing the firefighters and then bringing in the Chief, being worried sick about the Bat Family, seeing Jason being tortured up until his 'death' and then seeing him alive and hateful all in that short of a timespan would break Spider-Man in such a way to me, that he wouldn't be able to get through the night in most scenarios. At that point It would be less about him stopping the cloudburst and more about him stopping himself from just curling up until a ball and sobbing for the entire thing over how screwed up Gotham is. I realistically don't see him fully taking down Arkham Knight's army within 12 hours either, but he could get through a good majority of it if he remains focused. Riddler would undoubtedly get knocked into next week, same thing with Penguin and Scarecrow. Two-Face might understand why Peter wears a mask as it pertains to duality and Peter may try to get Two-Face to lean more into his Dent side because he sees how much good is still left in him. If Deathstroke takes over I think they'd try to get way more mobile and just relentlessly rush Spider-Man every time they see him with bullets, missiles, traps, etc. much like when Devil's Breath got released and those released prisoners and Sable's forces and Kraven's hunters went after him. TLDR; Basically, I believe a lot of things would have to go right for Spider-Man mentally for him to successfully go through the events of Arkham Knight. While he has all of the makings to get through it, if he doesn't lock in mentally right off the bat and realize the gravity of the situation, he's cooked. I would love to see Spider-Man's interactions with Harley post Joker's death, Poison Ivy, Azrael, the GCPD and Mr.Freeze though. I think he could likely save a few of Batman's more tragic villains from themselves and open up more resources he can use to get through everything in different ways than Batman ever could. If he does somehow get through Arkham Knight, the crime-fighter that would spawn from that night would be absolutely unstoppable. He'd probably have Gotham spotless. Really good thought experiment.
Unrealistic also batman cured himself of the joker and the fear toxin made batman think he was becoming the joker I dont think peters surviving fear toxin considering it targets fears and peter is NOT fearless
I know it’s probably too late but a youtuber named the invasion of sim recently had an argument with sk and brought you up multiple times in the video and I wanted to know your opinion on it
9:48 this is why I feel like Peter would most likely lose. I’m not saying that Batman could take on the sinister six(hell he’d be lucky to beat Shocker), but the main goal of Batman’s villains is to break him mentally. While spider-man’s villains wanna break him physically. And since spider-man has no where near as much willpower as Batman(despite having a lot of willpower to begin with). He’d probably go crazy by the end of the game, so really it’s a lose/lose situation.
Bro thinks every Batman villain is like joker and bane lol. Two face and freeze don’t care about breaking the man my guy they just wanna off the bat, same with ivy, Ra’s, clayface, deathstroke and deadshot (neither of whom are actual Batman villains), hush, black mask, firefly, Croc etc … literally none of these guys care about breaking Batman they just wanna kill him
In terms of powerscaling, i'm pretty sure both have a resistance, but it gets overcame by the enemy's potency of hax. E.G; Scarecrow perfecting the Fear Toxin to affect Batman, who resisted it prior. Due to this, I'm pretty sure Spider-man would be greatly affected by the toxin, likely even more than Bruce. Spider-man has seemed to only overcome these utilising cures or treatments instead of willing out of it or resisting it like Bruce. Ironically, similar to Spider-man, Batman originally used a cure to overcome Copperhead's neurotoxin - which had hallucinogenic effects - yet as we know, later installments have him actively fighting and resisting it without the need for a cure: these later toxins having increasingly higher and higher potency to where even an imperfect version of the one used in Arkham Knight is described as having permanent damage by Simon Stagg. Due to this, even if Peter has displayed a natural resistance to such forms of Fear Manipulation, it'd be overcome by the Arkham Knight Fear Toxin especially the Cloudburst form which accelerates it's properties. But onto the actual story of the game, instead of just saying "peter hits them. they die" ironically without proving feats yourself (doesn't matter how obvious it may be, you still need proof on both sides), actually forcing Peter to go through the events of the game would absolutely fuck with him. Arkham Knight's enemies don't need to kill Peter, fuck they don't need to hurt him - that's not the goal in AK - it's just to overwhelm him. Tanks, goons and drug deals all on their own would be child's play, but all multiplied and spread through a city along with friends and family being presumably killed, beaten and tortured, the fear fart (cloudburst) nuking the city in fear. Everything all at once would likely just cause Peter to collapse and, while dark and a worst-case scenario, he'd likely end up like Barbara. Joker's saying near the beginning ironically helps understand this; "What kind of super-villain thinks a bullet to the stomach and a handful of tanks will stop the Batman?". It's an extreme statement as everyone knows Batman is "a regular human without powers" yet even all of this is too little to stop him. It's due to them all targeting Batman's strongest asset; willpower, determination, the thing stated in guidebooks to literally be what birthed the idea of Batman. It's willpower to a stubborn degree which Peter doesn't have anything like in the Insomniac games which matches, thus, if he were to truly experience the events first-hand, he likely wouldn't come out well.
So i watched the video with batman in the insomniac spiderman universe. In that video you said that batman had no idea about the sinister six but how did spiderman know about all the batman villains it's a little unfair that batman had no idea about the spiderman villains but spiderman knew every villain in the arkham universe. Batman's villains are much more manipulative than spidermans villains meanwhile spiderman villains are much more powerful than batman villains, since spiderman should not know about Batman's rouges gallery it would be mutch harder and manipulative for him, in the end he would just kill every villain batman has encountered so is that really spiderman winning or is it spiderman losing?
We quite literally never said Batman doesn’t know about the Sinister Six in The Raft… The only ppl he didn’t know of yet was Martin and Otto bc Peter didn’t know about them becoming villains either
@@C0LIN. I'm sure you quite definitely said that in the video (no hate) you said with out the information about the sinister six he would have gotten killed by them btw you said in the video if he would have teleported randomly in the spiderman insomniac universe, meanwhile spiderman just got replaced with batman
This will be a long read so be ready. There are quite a few issues with this video. I noticed that you say that all the characters have the same relationship with Spider-Man as they do Batman but fail to realise that the events of Arkham Knight were engineered by Scarecrow and Jason to mentally break Batman and then Jason planned to kill him, if they had the same relationship with Spider-Man the plan would be vastly different so Jason wouldn't "try to get the jump on Spider-Man" he would know that wouldn't work and would have a different plan. As for the fear toxin, if it were at all cureable the batcomputor would have started to work on one after the initial scan of the toxin, amd Batman would have Alfred also working on it. Also the only way Batman was able to rid himself of the Joker was to fully let go of his fears and lock him away in his mind, it is even theorised that after doing so Bruce Wayne is gone and there is only The Batman. There is no evidnece to suggest Peter is capable of such a feat. An unimportant note you had Peter acting as like he normally does when taken over by the symbiote where as when taken over by Joker it would be as if he became the Joker, so he'd still be quipping but in the same way the Joker does constantly laughing at the same time. Also Jason never cared about the no kill rule it was all about breaking and killing Bruce. To be honest I could probably explain why almost every point you made was inaccurate, most likely due to a complete lack of understanding of the story or pure glazing of Spider-Man
How is this a debate? This spider man chalks anybody in this game, anybody. In one punch he could murder someone, forget steel strong webs. What you said about the tanks is true as well, he could web them all up, he could launch them with said webs, I mean he'd have a field day tbh.
I would actually think Batman could beat the Ps4 Sinister Six. We haven't really seen much from Rhino and he does get brought down by simple containers falling on him. Bane from asylum and city is actually much like ps4 Rhino. And Batman would be able to get the containers to fall on top of Rhino bc of his remote controlled batarangs. The containers are being held by ropes. As for Scorpion he really just has to watch out for his tail and that only moves as fast as Scorpion can think. And Batman has dodged blades from actually skilled people like Deathstroke and Ra's and Azreal without even looking. Now we get to the tougher members but Vulture is an older no pyromaniac firefly. So yeah. And Spidey's webs could destroy those energy things. A explovise gel (which was throwable) could do the trick on that not to mention he could throw it at electro mutliple times till he can't take anymore. And lastly the most powerfull member in my opinion Martin Lee. Mr Negative Batman should be able to dodge that demons claws bc he has been shown to have good reflexes. Now as for how he would beat Lee is alot harder to figure out. At first i tought he couldn't but Peters webs were able to get trough the demon so the grapple hook could do the same allowing Batman to get alot of hits in and ending it just like Peter did. As for the last one the smartest one Doc Ock. Batmans new suit is nearly bulletproof except for a few parts here and there so the first beating from Doc Ock he would survive. And just like Peter he could go to the lab and create a batsuit designed be like Ock's arms. Then using the grapple hook and line launcher as web slinging and gliding. And using just straight up freeze grenades or ya know his hacking tools to hack the arms. Rendering Doc Ock powerless. And as for Spidey in arkham knight he could take everyone out i agree on that sure he would be disturbed by Prof Pyg and stuff but he wouldn't be broken in my opinion. As for Joker well if we say just like with Batman he is in Peters mind he just like with Batman would show memories of tragic events in his life. For Peter it would be uncle ben's death (if this takes place after peters own game then also aunt may's death) when he and MJ broke up. When he let that robber go. And this version of Peter has never had Green Goblin which is Marvels joker in terms of personality. And this Peter has never really had the part were he had to overcome someone like the goblin. Looking at this Joker and this Batman well let's just say this Batmans is truly hard to break if you look at all his games. Yet the Joker took control even if it was for a couple of seconds he was able to take control. Multiple times. I'm not saying Spiderman is easy to break but i am saying a PS4 spiderman would be easier to break than arkham batman or comics spidey. And looking at trailer footage from the new game coming out. Well you can see the symbiote took control of Peter also from what we heard about the story and the game this is early on in the story meaning Peter lost control pretty quickly. I think that this Spidey from what we've seen is yeah hard to control or manipulate. But then again so was this Batman so much so that he resisted the fear gas nearly impossible and didn't show that much emotion when Jason came back. And wasn't easy to be guilt tripped by Jason. Spiderman almost was by Lee which was shown by that mask coming closer. I think the Joker could have an easier time making spidey look like a failure and how he should let Joker take control wth use of previous memories than he would've with Batman. And when Batman returned and took control his humanity was mostly gone shown when he became the ghost and no longer Bruce Wayne which was the side that showed his humanity and that was gone. Spidey wouldn't risk losing his humanity Batman took control of the fear and the dark bc that was what Batman was. Spidey couldn't do the same therefore if we put the Joker in his mind like with Batman Joker could take control over spidey.
Let’s be honest, Spider-Man could literally one-shot every villain in AK while taking them all on at once. I’m gonna have to say he’d take them all in an hour.
Pine cone. Great video and using what knowledge is available and keeping the story mostly the same.Very entertaining. Love seeing videos like this. Hope this isn’t the last collab between you guys
....you say that batman would instantly lose to all of spider-man's villains but i would like actual proof of that. (Especially since batman has taken on similar villains before in the dc universe.)
@@C0LIN. ....batman tends to fight people who outscale him on a regular basis. (yes, even arkham batman. Unless you think taking on bane and Titans, mr freeze, clayface, poison Ivy, and a whole army is nothing.)
@@abeydaby16ok but he’d also have to deal with rhino a guy who’s ran through city blocks like it’s nothing and a guy who makes electricity and could prolly fry all of Batman’s tech
Just realized that Peter would have a different dynamic to Batman's villains as he likes to joke around most of the time. Thus, I can imagine him and Joker trying to make fun of each other during their encounters.
…. Yes…..he would definitely survive. Not only that most villains would give him little to no trouble. Maybe scarecrow, but spider sense. Killer Croc, well super strength. Mister freeze would also give him a little difficulty. Nobody really has stats that spidey couldn’t handle.
Bro is talking about Batman fan bias while literally blowing tf outta Spider-Man if you think he beats Deathstroke easily you are out of your mind bruh, also he would die with after one round of fear gas and or end up killing a bunch of people in the panic, spider sense is not gonna save you from 100 tanks outside gcpd in an open area that is literally the most plot armour thing ever and I don’t even think people should argue about plot armour lol
Funny how everything u just said here is wrong😭😭 If Peter’s not holding back he’s killing Deathstroke with ease. And u ppl continue to prove u don’t know shit when u bring up Spider-Mans mental will power💀 Spider-Man is literally a walking MORE POWERFUL Batmobile just off his own strength goofy
@@C0LIN.Peter, someone who has never undergone any sort of mental training is strong enough to handle enough fear gas to kill 10 men? Yeah, no, he nearly got mind controlled by Martin lee 💀Deathstroke is enhanced with strength, reflexes and speed, literally putting him on par with Spider-Man, coupled with his ability to kill, that is most definitely at least a challenge for him. Also I don’t totally disagree that Spider-Man is stronger than a tank, just not 100 bruh 💀
@@ToxicCatMCdeathstroke is the most overhyped dc villain next to the clown. His enhancements have literally never been portrayed as even remotely relative to Spider-Man’s strength at most he’s slightly above cap. Dude jobs to characters like Cassandra Cain and nightwing on a regularly basis
@@billyboleson2830 bro cap has already beaten Spider-Man, and did you seriously say joker and death stroke are overrated 😂, the level of cope is unreal, spiderman literally struggles with WILSON FISK a literal human who’s just on roids
To further explain my previous comment, Green Goblin has laughing Pumpkin Bombs that has different effects according to the type of bomb and is also constantly trying to get spider man to see that even though he protects people, people will eventually turn on him and he could easily be as much of a villain to the people as Goblin is. Joker has chattering teeth bombs that release laughing gas that slowly kills you while simultaneously making it feel hilarious about the fact you’re dying, a prop gun with 5 live rounds and one gag flag that says boom, a lapel flower 🌸 that shoots acid, another prop gun with a giant fist. Joker is constantly trying to make Batman see that all it take is one bad day for someone to snap and become a monster like he is and that Batman is no different. Two VERY similar characters from different universes
ok first up, spiderman cant deal with 20 tanks firing at him at once without retreating or, dying, like he aint dogding 20 bullets every 2 seconds and picking up and throwing tanks while doing so, the riddler challenges would be impossible and fighting his way through the joker disease wouldn't be possible, he isnt as strong willed as batman. oh and clearing the fear toxin across the whole city just cant be done without a billion dollar car
I do agree that most of Batman's rogues wouldn't stand a chance against as they're mostly humans with only a few abnormal ones like Killer Croc and Clayface so a better question I would say is "how would Spider-man fair against Superman's villains" Barring the few justice league threats like Darkseid and Doomsday the match ups would be pretty interesting Lex Luther is effectively a evil Tony Stark who Spider-man has fought on a few times,Metallo primarily uses Kryptonite but he's still a extremely powerful cyborg capable of strength feats similar or greater than Spider-Man and Livewire is effectively a rule 63 Electro.
Given time, Luthor could use the "Jameson Method" to destroy Spidey's public support and have the Avengers hunting him. Luthor is much smarter and richer than Jameson, and will be much more effective at ruining his popularity. Plus, Luthor can field his own Iron Legion if he feels like it.
Batman once fought Solomon Grundy while injured for a week straight bare hands no help, and killed Grundy everytime with straight hands. That shit is insane. He’s also one shot knocked out croc and physically held him down in origins.
Generally solid, but what is with all the outside sources, we are swapping ps4 spiderman with arkham batman, not ultimate spiderman, or any other variation, there are a few claims within this video that say spiderman could do so on and so forth because of some version of him that ISN'T ps4 spiderman, which needless to say, wasn't the hypothetical put forward.
You can’t just say “he rides himeself of the joker toxin” how? He can’t just do that, batmans ONLY fear was turning into joker, Spider-Man has many others and your telling me Spiderman just magically gets rid of it just cause, 💀💀 And your like oh “scarecrow tells him Barbara is alive” no he would not 😭😭 he always wants to tourment Batman while in this case Spiderman, I feel like you just altered a couple things that wouldn’t happen for the sake of you wanting your preferred character to survive when realistically Spider-Man would loose himself to the joker toxin and essentially “die”. Everything up till that point ( 13 minute mark) was pretty spot on apart from mabey Jason wouldn’t attack Peter straight in because Jason knows his strength and knows he severely outmatched and also I think deathstroke would put up more of a fight, also I think Peter also would have a much harder time with the tanks as there’s thousands of them and Peter having to destroy the tanks and bending the canon would make the militia adapt to his strategy, also I’m ngl how tf could peter? You can’t just say he makes a cure without high amounts of evidence apart from “he made one while dealing with scorpion”
I love when ppl talk like they know something and don’t 1. I said Spider-Man would rid himself of Joker in the same way Batman does by overcoming him mentally and playing on Jokers fears 2. Batman’s fears are turning into Joker AND ALSO losing people he loves, as well as feeling responsible for everything 3. Why would Scarecrow not use Barbra his only way to keep Spider-Man from killing him as his last resort? Tf. U think Crane would just want to die??? 4. Jason attacks Batman even though he knows Batman can beat him, but he does it out of blind rage and arrogance…. 5. Idc if u think Deathstroke would put up more of a fight, what u think and what’s true are 2 different things Peter not holding back would violate badly 6. Again idc what u think there’s nothing in the militias arsenal that counters Spider-Man and Peter would deal with the tank’s effortlessly he’s literally a walking Batmobile just by his own pure stength 7. I provided multiple instances of Peters scientific expertise, and Scorpions poison is not only more lethal but also hones in on Peters fears just like the fear toxin…. But nice try bud
@@C0LIN. firstly, Spider-Man can not ever rid himself of joker the way Batman did, Batmans mental side is much better than Spider-Man’s mental side, you can’t say he can do what Batman did when u have no feats to back it up. 2. I’ll give you that he does fear losing others, but you don’t also realise that he Litreally at the end of the game also overcomes that fear as he realises that his fears nearly led Robin to his death, do ur research first. 3.because crane is Litreally insane 😭 like do you know who ur talking about. 4.Jason is also smart, he knows that someone with the strength and speed of Spider-Man would destroy him, u just used it as a way for Jason to be captured so he can tell Spiderman where scarecrow is. 5. I mean everyone is entitled to there opinions but also what u think and what is true are also 2 different things so no point debating that. 6. If he’s fighting 50 tanks at one time do you not think that scarecrow or Jason can rig them to self explode when Spider-Man gets on them which is a good way to counter, which don’t say “they can do that” when barbra Litreally does it in the game for you. 7. Don’t ever compare scorpions toxin to scarecrows, scarecrows toxin had so much power it was able to cover the entire Eastern sea board and still make people just as insane. Also no hate btw I have fun in debating and stuff like that, I liked the video and would like to see more. 👍🏽
@@duskeey_ spider-Man literally freaked out and broke down when Doc Oct betrayed him. Imagine what fear toxin would do to him and what Peter would see while under the influence. Dude makes it’s seem like Peter has this mental fort that’s better than Batman but that isn’t the case at all. Batman has seen it all and faced all and if Batman was in Spider-Man’s story he would see doc Oct being consumed by evil and would stop the 6 from even forming lol
@@ID0XX Yh I agree Tbf Spider-Man is no where near as mentality capable as Bruce is and I think Peter always trying to see the hood in people always holds him back and also held him back from stoping octavious which Batman would definitely have done
Batman r prep time is valid because everyone can have prep time just like him, but it’s his level of preparation that make it special not the prep time itself inherently. Give his opponent the same prep time and they will often lose
If u wanna leave a statement that u either
A. Can’t prove with feats
or
B. Think Spider-Man isn’t mentally strong enough
Pls spare me ur stupidity/ ignorance and don’t comment I’ve read enough of it
Not a single like on this comment. Wonder If it's the welcoming atmosphere it gives off.🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I do agree with a lot you say here but, I can’t quote anything specifically, but if the milita managed to fire mass amounts of bullets around him so he can’t move around he would be overwhelmed, now I know that this is a very specific circumstance it probably would end up in spideys death
I also don’t think SpiderMan would be mentally strong enough to rid joker of his mind. If you can tell me a feat of that mental magnitude, I will relinquish my thought and agree with you
@Aussie_Man spidersense can do crazy things sometimes. Maybe he could've fought the joker off before heading to scarecrow
@@Gamfluent congrats
I think the reason Batman never made a cure for the fear toxin wasn't because he wasn't smart enough, but because he never gave himself time. Arkham Knight is about him relearning to trust his partners after Oracle's kidnapping shook Batman's core. Every minute Batman spends working on curing himself, he could have spent saving an innocent life or stopping a crime; tonight is all about overwhelming him before breaking him, and Scarecrow is banking that Bats will try to tough out the hallucinations like he has many times before, thus Batman is digging his hole deeper without knowing or acknowledging.
Maybe🤷♂️
@@C0LIN.Na it's true
It's already been said there isn't a cure because Crane keeps changing the formula.
i mean, he can’t cure it, crane is constantly changing the formula on the fly.
But we also know arkham batman is alive and we also new that ppl wouldn't be afraid of batman so maybe Bruce didn't make a cure so he uses the fear toxin on the evil ppl in Gotham to start a new myth of the batman
Joker would be pissed since Spiderman could straight up out joke him
Batman beyond Terry vs joker moment
@@billyboleson2830Yep pretty much 😂
Insomniac Spider-Man is no where near as funny as Arkham Joker.
@@triceratroytv2292 Bruce ne va pas vers la lumière ils ne me laisseront pas rentrer 😂 " oh t'en va rejoindre papa et maman au country club la bas dans le ciel " " Approcher les enfants voici tonton Slade qui va nous raconter son histoire de guerre dans les tranchées demander lui de nous parler des fausses communes hahahaha c'est trop drôle 😂🃏 "
Joke Wars, I got Spidey for the W with his corny comments 🐐
Spidey's biggest problem would be Ivy's pheromones.
He can tear apart a small army, but the way Insomniac writes him, he falls apart any time MJ, Cat, or even Sable makes a vaguely flirty remark. If he doesn't know to wear a gas mask anywhere within 50 meters of Ivy, he's doomed. 😁
Facts they write bro a little TOO soft😭
That ain't really true. He's actively trying to date MJ so that makes sense, and BC was trolling him by thinking they had a kid so that makes sense he's always flustered as he tryin to help her protect THEIR non existent kid. And Sable didn't really flirt or anything really.
Seeing as he managed to beat hallucination Scorpion in his own game, he'd beat Ivy quite easily
Spider-Sense has him covered fam
I played the main story + DLC and don’t remember any “flirty” signs between Peter and sable. More of a friendship thing than flirty, and he has a past with MJ and black cat. Also the spider sense would negate poison ivys main moves
@@NJohnsonProductions The thing about Ivy's Poison is that it doesn't necessarily attack the person depending on what she uses. It CONTROLS them. So he's have to rely on will and not really spider sense. Scorpion's poison also messed up his Spider Sense. Not to mention Ivy's poison is stromg emough to affect SUPERMAN so💀
A spiderman with the money of batman. Could you imagine.
Theres that run where he have his own company
That's basically superior Spider-man
I would totally be down for an Insomniac Superior Spiderman game, but I would understand it would not be very financially suitable as most non-comic fans would even think about having doc oc controlling spiderman, but I know insomniac can do it justice
Parker Industries
@@DeekyRickyyyoh they're absolutely building up to a superior game. did you hear all that in the first game about how his body is decaying but his mind is still strong? Peter even used a lot of his technology including tech that taps into his brain. they're setting the stage for superior either in the 3rd game or 4th
Genius idea: PS4 Spider-Man in Arkham would be a Batman-esque hero named “Insomniac” (because of the fear he strikes into criminals as he patrols the night).
I would’ve called him ARACHNOPHOBIA! Y’know, cuz Fear of Spiders?
@@HaydenStephens515 Also a very good choice. I only used Insomniac specifically because we’re talking about PS4 Spider-Man. Any other version of the character and Arachnophobia is the undebatable better option!
@@HaydenStephens515 Seems like it'd be a bit much to pronounce. Why not Rachno for short?
@@TheRoseReaper
I guess you could do that, but unless you know what it’s short for, it might sound random to some other people.
@@HaydenStephens515 Tbh throwing the "A" back in there might make it better. Arachno, Rachno. As long as it isn't Kid-Arachnid I think it'd be fine.
As a fan of the Arkham series, the Insomniac Spider-Man series, and video game crossovers as a whole, I loved the concept of both videos that you and Crisis made. Hoping you two will consider collaborating again in the near future and giving us the scenarios of Batman surviving the events of Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man in SSKTJL.
😊
Only problem I have is the assumption that in that universe, despite Spider-Man being Gotham’s vigilante and Jason having the same relationship he had originally with batman, all the villains and Jason use the tactics they created specifically to fight batman and not Spider-Man. Like they have decades of experience fighting Spider-Man at this point and use a plan not suited for him which was the point of Arkham knight.
Then wouldn’t make sense because the debate is if Spider-Man would survive in BATMANS world so that wouldn’t matter
@@kellyevans6778 it’s still “Batman’s world” but instead of batman, Spider-Man grew up as Gotham vigilante instead so villains using a plan for batman doesn’t make sense (he doesn’t exist).
Good point. I think that he would still be able to clear it but the difficulty would go up
@@ScarletStrain Nah bro, that wouldn't make sense at all. If Peter grew up in a Batman's home with all that money with him and got bitten by a radioactive spider, situations would be entirely different. First off, Spider-Man wouldn't just make an entire arsenal to fight criminals. Instead, he would use most of the money to help people. Like establishing FEAST or any other better organizations because he has that money. He would be a lot friendlier with people and help them in everything and won't be an emo. Normal human villains like Joker wouldn't actually be a threat. And Gotham would probably be a safer place. And he wouldn't actually recruit orphan kids to help him like Batman. So events of Arkham Knight won't happen. Jason, Dick, Robin...etc all be in FEAST or something like that. You might bring up Miles here. But he didn't actually need Miles help even after he got spider powers. He was hesitant. But later teamed up. So he will be a solo guy. With that money and his incredible work in biology, he probably would make a lot of cures and other stuff that would help people and maybe the villains too.
As per Batman in Spider-Man situations, he wouldn't exist because he needs that damn money.
Well tbh you’d kinda need Spidey NOT to spend years in Batman’s world for this to even work, but let’s say he did and somehow this situation DID come to pass. What strategy are you using against Spider-man other than making him decide between a civilian’s safety and his own? Like that’s rlly it, and it’s not like you can actually mentally break Spider-man, regardless of the incarnation Spider-man as a character is all about getting back up and pushing through literally anything. There’s not much that can actually put him down for good, that’s including multiversal bs that take away his family and deals with the devil
Thing is, Spider-Man basic stats already made him pretty much invincible againts these chumps (if he has a proper gas mask under the Spider-Man one, Fear Toxin), i dont think Joker can infected him with his poison since his Advanced Suit is pretty durable - thanks to Doc Ock's design (Spider Sense too).
And that does not included the gadgets he had and the Anti-Ock Suit he made (that suit has Neuro Transmission Interfere Techs, it make his body and reflexes become faster due to the signal travel from the brain to his body in a nanosecond).
The gas mask thing is invalid he actually full on inhales fumes in a Harry lab thing and coughs, would he not use his gas mask?
@@Dhxgdbdhhxhdjdj it's also very explicitly stated that gas masks are useless against this version of fear toxin, and respirators too, the militia say that the only way to not get gassed is by being up high or deep underground.
@@bytalrthestarcrosser Ohh... really never noticed that.
@@Dhxgdbdhhxhdjdj Anyway, I don't think fear Toxin can last long enough. Spidey has survived Scorpion's venom tails which was supposed to kill an elephant instantly. His Immune System is enhanced too.
Gas mask only work for 5 seconds
i feel like peter might know that barbara death isn't real. i don't think the spider sense is gone over in detail in ps4, prob cuz its made with the assumption u already know the basics of spider-man, but a lotta interpretations show that it can detect objects ( peter swinging while drugged by scorpion in ps4, far from home drone fight in the hallway), so he might be able to sense the gun isn't there
not entirely sure and would prob ruin the premise of the vid tho but think there's a chance
It’s possible but for the sake of making the vid interesting the Joker effects wouldn’t let that work, and as u mentioned it’s never clarified all the details of Insomnaic Spider-Man sense doing that specifically
It's not that he didn't sense any danger from the drone in Far From Home. It's that he sensed the gun Mysterio was holding to his head.
The gun is there, the hallucinogen made batman think a normal thug was Barbara
@@evilzdeadite And it would do the same for Spider-Man.
Besides, I would think the fear toxin would effect Spiderman differently as I don't believe he would see the same things Batman sees such as Joker being every where and Barbara shooting herself. Instead it would be more of like when Scorpion intoxicated him in the game and when he was fighting Mr.Negative.
If Spiderman came into contact with Scarecrows toxin my guess is he would see the entire city falling apart and being haunted by all the people he couldn't save.
Batman and Spider-Man > Batman vs Spider-Man
Facts
I need a movie. Or a game of this.
Spooderman wins
Batman: "Spider-Man."
Spidey: "Whoa! How do you do that?"
Batman: "You rigged up your own Bat Signal. What do you need?"
Spidey: "Didn't know how else to contact you guys. Did you misplace this clown in my city?"
Joker: **
Robin: "Huh. What's wrong with him?"
Spidey: "We were having a good time trading barbs and then he got all upset after I took him down. He must really hate being upstaged in the jokes depart-"
Joker: "YOU DIDN'T UPSTAGE ME, YOU DISRESPECTFUL LITTLE PU-!"
Spidey: ** "Simmer down there, Jonah That Laughs."
Robin: "Can I get a pair of those?"
Batman: "Appreciate the assist. Would you care to explain the big game hunter stereotype that came at me with a spear?"
Spidey: "...Can I plead the fifth?"
@@silverblade357 I need more of this!
"But Spider-Man doesn't kill!"
"Listen.....Shut the fuck up."
I legit can't think of a better response xD
And if you touch Aunt May um you better off self deleting because Spider-Man ain’t coming. It’s Peter Parker coming
There's no question that Spider-man is inherently stronger than Batman, however. I'm sure that if Batman can come up for a anti-Superman solution, he might just be smart enough to find a way to stop all sinister six villains. It would take a whole lot more time and money than in the Arkham games, but I feel like context with fighting these characters for as long as Peter has would give him an idea on how to beat them. If we're talking both of them just suddenly switch and have to communicate like 2099 and 616 Spider-men, then yeah, Batman would have no chance; but if we're talking about them growing up in each other's worlds, I feel like both of them could fair pretty darn well with their enemies. Batman is too smart and resilient to be beaten by Spider-man's villains, I believe. Spider-man is too good at improvising during battle (with the aid of spidey-sense) to be beaten by Batman's villains.
They both fight like they're solving equations and being challenged to complete an unbeatable task, so that's why I feel both of them wouldn't be too soon shaken if they were raised in the other's world, with the only exception of their upbringing being the characters they are in the original worlds.
All batman needs is a little prep time which he would definitely have time for
Superman's contingencies is relying on such factors as Kryptonite, Superman's actively holding back and other. It also required Batman to have a lot of relationships with Superman to actually know his weaknesses and other stuff. Superman himself gave him a Kryptonite in case if he would go rogue.
It's not the same as having a tussle against several different and previously not known by Batman villains. Sure, he could spend a time to collect a data about them and develop a plan how to beat them, but it would require a time and resources. Plus, Spider-Man is way more familiar and experienced with his villains, so he has better knowledge about them and their powers, abilities and weaknesses.
Nah, that is plot armor written in. How do you even hope to compete as a normal human against a man that can sense danger due to vibrations in the air. Let's not forget that to make things exciting they also randomly let characters forget entire abilities they have. Batman no matter how much he prepares cannot defeat Superman. Thinking of Superman's basic abilities, X ray vision and super speed will negate a lot of planning, let's not forget this man can freeze you with his breath or clap you away literally(destroying your ear drums and equilibrium). I hate dumb writing, but Superman is always made to be dumb for plot reasons. Everything about Superman is heightened, so how does Batman pull disappearing act you seen in the animations, exactly it's BS plot armor. Batman coming back from a broken back to fight Azrael is also plot armor for this guy. Detective my ass, he has money and even that won't give him wins against the likes of the Flash, Supes, Aquaman, Wonder woman and pretty much the meta humans of DC. I stopped reading Batman because his victories make no sense when he's fighting enemies that are nigh invulnerable. It's always this BS planning crap, writers need to give it up. These a point when no amount of planning can stop the inevitable. How does a human stop Flash? You realize he moves so fast you cannot visibly perceive him and forget seeing him, reacting to him is even more impossible for a human, most meta humans can't react. Meh, Batman has the most plot armor seen by a character ever!
@evilformerlys4704 You're using the excuse that "A normal human shouldn't be able to compete", while in that universe, logically impossible things happen. Batman isn't just a normal human though. By definition, the flash is also a human. The writers can write batman to be however strong they want him to be
Bro all of Batman’s prep against the league took months and maybe even years to come up with
The conversation between Peter and the Bat Family (Spider Family? I guess lol) could be a really emotional moment (Alfred could be listening in too) I could see Peter silently break down in front of them about how far he's been pushed, taking a life and beating himself up over it as he trusts them to take care of the city in his brief absence, him taking off his mask as they see his face, not Spider-Man but Peter Parker and before he leaves he thanks them and says "After tonight Spider-Man will be no more."
Loved this video, I'd love to see you two tackle the other Arkham games like Origins and City and how Spider-Man would interact there
Insomniac Spidey clears Arkham Knight in an hour and a half
Arkham knight ( Red hood qui a tuer black Mask ) a quand même été formé par Deathstroke et a quand même tuer Bane 🔥
Not even an hour and a half, he'd clear that game in the first 5 minutes. The actual arkham knight wouldn't stand a chance in a hand to hand combat, neither would any batman rogues. People tend to prop up batman like he's the greatest super hero, but he's not. At all. He's pretty weak, he's only as strong as a man can be. He's smart, but not smarter than Peter. Spider-Man would mop the floor with batman, even if batman had YEARS to plan and prep against Spider-Man.
@cameronpritchett8300
I think you're missing the point of Batman stories, ik that both these characters fanbases can be really annoying, but I'd say the more interesting scenario here would be if Spidey could survive Arkham mentally since Peter's greatest struggle has always been his guilt and grief
@@cameronpritchett8300 oups, we found a spider-man glazer who cannot talk without thinking spider-man is the best superhero ever.
@@bgbss680 ooh this would be sick asf
Jason’s reason for attacking batman in this game is because he felt abandoned not because batman didnt kill joker. In the under the red hood movie, it was the opposite, jason didnt care that batman couldnt save him, he was upset that batman didnt avenge him. In arkham knight joker is already dead so why would he feel this way?
Jason hates Bruce in AK because of him basically being brainwashed by the joker and the rest was him pissed that Bruce never learned his lesson as he still took in Tim. Plus JT makes reference to viewing what Batman did was the equivalent of training a child soldier as he taught Jason to take his rage and turn it into a weapon against criminals which to him came off as manipulation.
@@kwayneboy1524 he wasnt pissed that bruce took in tim per se. He more so just felt replaced. And it wasnt a super long time between him being replaced. In his torture scene with jason he tells him its been 6 months and batman had just replaced him with tim. Jason does make that reference but we know that batman is trying to mold them so they don’t go down the dark path he was headed when they first met. So sure u can say it’s manipulation but jasons stories typically implies he woulda ended up a criminial anyway and bruce just wanted to change that.
@@KidLeo799 yeah that's what I said
Spider-Man wearing the black suit, while being affected by the Joker toxin and Scarecrow’s fear gas in Gotham, is so fucking awesome and terrifying. Honestly Spider-Man in Gotham is an idea that should be explored more.
W video as always! Also did you know that the main function of a pine cone is to keep a pine tree's seeds safe.
I did not
@@C0LIN. Yeah, I thought they were just natures but plugs.
@@halffruit9245 that would be painful
@@C0LIN. And fun… or so I’ve heard
@@C0LIN.Did not what?
Barbara's death was a vision of the fear toxin. Since Peter already cured it at this point in the story, wouldn't he have not seen that?
Also, Jason didn’t want Batman to break his no kill rule in Arkham Knight. He wanted to make him pay for letting him die. Hence why he took over the city and was targeting people who were close to him. He fully intended to kill Batman, so i don't think he would've necessarily egged Bruce on.
Other than that, good video
I clarified Peter would still be hallucinating in the beginning of the vid, also I think it’s kinda far fetched to say Jason wouldn’t want Batman to kill
@@C0LIN.I have to disagree on that Jason wants to kill Bruce is from the start of the game that he was going to it shown in the audio logs as well he fully commits that he wants to kill him
@C0LIN. Yes, but the Barbara death was the Fear Toxin, not the Joker thing.
But Bruce killing wouldn't have changed Jason's mind
@@billdover3694 Joker was in that scene and again I clarified Joker would still be making Spider-Man hallucinate
@@ashcraft257 Ya and Jason comes back to Batman’s side at the end of Arkham Knight
If Jason has the same relationship/grudge with Peter as he had with Bruce, he's gonna be prepared for Peter. He's not gonna just jump him and immediately get unmasked and captured. He'd probably have a way to dissolve Peters webbing too.
Judging off what exactly? What has Jason done to prove this
@@C0LIN. The fact he knew where Bruce's armour is weakest. If the point is that everyone has the same relationships with Pete as they did with Bruce then Jason would know how Pete functions and understand how to match up to him.
Good point
Hes not gonna even hit him one time 😂 spiderman its stronger in everything and has spider sense but u dc fanboy cant accept that pls dont bring me some stupid almost invincible superman or black adam ecc shit 😂
Cuz this is what if of spiderman and batman if they swap universe.
@@C0LIN. Uh becoming the Arkham Knight? Wasnt his whole deal that he Knew about batmans strengths and weaknesses and that he wanted revenge on him? Wouldnt Batman just be replaced with Spiderman in this story? You couldve made it so that Jasons Arkham Knight suit gives him superhuman enhancements or something
8:33 I love this part right here. You reminded me of when Yuri broke her rule because she saw her whole squad get killed by Hammerhead. But Spider Man decided to listen to her after she told him the justice system doesn't do it job right (or something like that). It gave me Jason Todd and under the red hood vibes.
She has a good point, to be honest.
@@abeydaby16 and get a possible life sentence, lol. No wonder why Yuri didn't turned herself in.
@@abeydaby16Spidey is similar to Superman with regards to killing. He would rather avoid it if at all possible and despises any kill-first approach. This is most evident in the comic when he will drop a building on a villain or overload their equipment to explode. He cannot know that they'd survive, but he takes his chances to save the people being threatened in the moment. Peter also wouldn't lose himself and become psychotic if he was ever forced to cross that line.
“Batman would die fighting the sinister six” bro if Batman was in Insomniac’s verse the sinister six wouldn’t have been a thing. Unlike Peter, Bats doesn’t blindly believe in the good of people. As soon as Otto started tweaking Bruce would have ended the threat via some countermeasures, either being a custom disrupt or variant he makes using his time with Otto, or straight up stealing the chip necessary for operation.
Under a Bat-patrolled NY, Norman would be arrested/publicly shamed long before Otto’s sanity degraded.
Now if we’re talking 1 on 1, Batman would have access to the technologies needed to create specialized solutions to the Sinister six independently. If KRAVEN can pull it off, Bruce with his greater feats and resources could too.
I don’t think Spider-Man couldn’t psychologically handle Gotham.
There is a reason Gotham is considered hell on earth in the DC universe
Spiderman deals with manhattan .....Which is marvel's version of gotham...
I dont even think scarecrow fear toxin would last that long for spider-man since its effects only last a few hours but for spider-man accelerated metabolism and healing factor it might last for a few mins probably half a hour at best
It’s funny that they’d both finish each other’s stories in half the time
Only if Batman has Peters strength and durability remember
@C0LIN. well yeah, a punch from bane would probably be classed above a hit from rhinos but batman broke a lot of ribs from that
@@Aussie_ManI disagree, Rhino is much stronger than Bane, in the video games at least.
@@l.pricetag.5207don't forget Arkham Batman isn't equipped to fight electro
@@ejgamingv7297 yeah, that too. I honestly don't know how he'd be able to take down Electro.
Insomniac Pete is wrecking every bad guy in Arkham Knight
Realistically, Arkham Knight would’ve killed him outright.
@@theperson8539how?
@@theperson8539Peter dodges electricity so bullets are irrelevant and he would never get the drop on him unlike Batman. Peter is unpredictable while Jason is close to Batman’s skill.
@@guy70yearsfromnow95 Honestly? Some sleeping gas and a couple bullets. However you like.
@@christophercardoza2872 Peter isn’t unpredictable, I’d argue it is the opposite, as his Spider-Sense is more like a reflex that could be predicted. If the Arkham Knight knew how he functioned, I think he could find a way to either trick him into letting his guard down, poison him however he could, and then straight-up shoot him as many times as it takes. I think he would take no chances with Peter, so he would either mess with the fear toxin to specifically destroy Spider-Man, or take the more drastic approach of poisoning all of Gotham’s food and water to fully incapacitate Spider-Man. Also, Peter would be far more impulsive if he actually witnessed Barbara Gordon die, he would not be able to deal with that like Batman could. He doesn’t have the emotional strength, which is different to willpower.
haven't even watched the vid yet and I'm saying it now, batman could take on, MAYBE, scorpion, Rhino and Vulture. everyone else wins easy against him. Spidey cleans house with crane, ivy, and jason. Gotham is saved in like 4 hours maximum.
Edit: FINALLY! someone else who understand that spiderman doesn't have a 'no kill' rule! he does his best to not kill people, he doesn't do it lightly, but if you piss him off enough, you will die.
Nah batman not beating rihno.
Scorpion and rhino he has a chance
Rhino isn’t like Bane where he can be taken out scorpion would poison Bruce before he could react vulture maybe Electro definitely is possible he has a big mouth but he could just fly bruce up in the air he can’t survive a 10000 meters up in the air it not possible even if he has the batwing as for Mr.negative possibility he could win and I think the reason why Peter didn’t give in is because he has a pure of heart unlike Bruce who I would say he can be but his pain would bot allow him to do so Otto definitely would beat bruce any version could the guy is not only a genius but the arm’s actually are pretty fast
Batman vs the Sinister Six isn’t a fair fight at all. Electro fried the shit out of whole power plants and can destroy a building. Batman doesn’t have anything in his arsenal to defeat him. Rhino? Batman cannot disable Rhino’s powers like he did with Bane. Rhino is attached to that suit. It’s like a part of his body. Bruce has freeze grenades but Rhino can destroy them. Batman isn’t scratching Rhino. However, if Rhino is somehow kept down Batman can deal some damage as he managed to get some hits in on Solomon Grundy. Vulture vs Batman would be somewhat like Batman vs Firefly. Arkham Batman defeats Vulture with Mid Diff. Scorpion alone would be Mid high Diff for Bruce. Finally, Dr Octopus is destroying him. His tentacles are faster and stronger than Spider-Man. How is Batman hitting him? Doc Ock slams him. In the end, Batman would be able to beat some of them if their alone but together they overwhelm him massively. Also, this is him without Prep because with prep he would win.
@@captainrantman3892Realistically, scorpion is the only one Batman could beat. All the others have enough damage to one-shot him or the durability to never be hurt by him
@stinky9067 I was thinking that Vulture's combination of speed, range, and flight would be a problem. But physically, it's not as insane as rhino who would instantly kill him
I've had this conversation with my buddy several times and we always come to the same conclusion. If Peter were in Gotham contending with Bat's rogues gallery Gotham would be crime free.
No no it wouldn't batman has done more in one night than spider did in a month
Batman literally has plans to stop each member of the justice league if they ever went rogue what’s Spider-Man’s plans for the avengers?
When Spiderman stops talking or makes jokes... You are fucking done Batman ain't gonna stop him even with a Black Suit
Bruce wouldn't even stop Peter, he would say "you can break whatever you want, just don't end them"
The question is not whether Spider-Man would survive Batman villains. The question is how badly Spider-Man would massacre Batman villains. One serious punch from Spidey and most of the Bat rogue gallery lose their head.
Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Poison ivy and Bane could give some challenge but nothing too serious.
"Pinecone." I love scenarios like this, putting characters into something else and seeing how They fair in the situation something about is so interesting. Great work, keep doing what you are doing
Honestly I wasn’t surprise when you said Peter kills slade or turn to the dark, because it’s true that if Peter’s love ones are in danger or are killed, Peter will do worse than just kill them. Seriously in comics he hangs guy over a bunch rats and beats kingpin to a bloody pulp and lets him live so he can not only feel shamed by the inmates that watch him but also he wants to kill him once aunt may dies. That just dark and love it.
"In comics". I definitely agree with you, if we were talking about the comics. However, we're not. We're talking about insomniac spider man, the same spider man who chose the city over aunt may. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't kill anyone even if (and when, cuz let's be honest 🤷♂️) given the opportunity.
I mean in spider man 3 he did kinda kill Eddie with the pumpkin bomb but that was an accident since that was for venom and not Eddie
@@elliotsturtplus340 yea I think only time spider man actually killed in live action is was in amazing spider man 2 where he kinda killed Electrio and that was really where he actually killed him not on accident
@stinky9067 agreed I just hate that one story where spider man looses all his skin. ( Pls don't look that up)
@@hellreaper2845 Yea I agree I think if he was under influence of symboie then I think he just might esppecally with spider man 2 gameplay trailer him going all Emo.
I thought you were going for a Peter "killed" Deathstroke cause he knew about his healing factor, meaning he doesnt have to play nice. Like Batman did with the Court of owl Talons
I’m currently palying through alejan asylum for first time, love it
I love Alejan Asylum as well
@@C0LIN.Alejan City better tho
Alejan knight mid
Alsume
@@davidgrimaldo2861My favorite's alejan origins
The inclusion of Sk's pfp over Batman's face was priceless 😂
Edit: pinecone w video Colin
Lol that’s just spooder-man
I LOVE these kinds of role-reversal stories, Sonic in Mario's world, Spider-Man in Batman's world, etc! This video did not disappoint great work guys!
I think Batman would survive the Sinister Six. Batman and Spider-Man's minds are very alike because they are both geniuses, have a no kill rule, prioritize saving people before themselves, have similar morals, and are also adaptable. Batman has faced and taken down a Man-Bat (Vulture). Scarecrow who makes Batman mentally fight him, plus Batman is highly adaptable and can take down enemies who have deadly weapons like swords, spears, guns, knives, bats, and hammers (Mr. Negative and Mysterio). Poison Ivy who has control over many plants which can act like many arms (Doctor Octopus). Scarecrow again has the deadliest fear toxin (Scorpion). Spiderman beat Electro with electrician gloves, so Batman could make an electrically insulated suit and some gloves, plus he can buff his remote electrical charge to best Electro, Green Goblin is a joker on a flying surfboard, he has also beaten Bane who is very similar to Rhino, Kraven is a human who batman will best at combat because he has many different fighting styles. He has beaten Killer Croc (Lizard). He has beaten Clayface who can mold into many shapes (Sandman). I think Arkham Batman would definitely be able to protect New York, just as Spider-Man would be able to protect Gotham.
The Sinister Six wouldn't exist because Otto needed Peter's expertise to have his breakthrough. Bruce ain't gonna be working for Otto. Without Peter, there is no Doc Ock. Without Doc Ock, there is no Sinister Six. Batman's journey through SM1 would end with arresting Mister Negative.
@@silverblade357 I never thought about that. 🤯
@@ShowMeYourMotivation215 Yup. That's the classic Peter Parker luck. He tries to put good out into the world and the universe punishes him.
Now imagine how quick the events of both Knight and Spider-Man PS4 would be over if Batman and Spider-Man worked together.
It would be over in 2 hours in Gotham and 2 days in New York.
@@Batman-ps4om minutes in Gotham 2 days in New York
Spider-Man wouldn’t need batmans help. He’d probably just slow him down
@@king_vision4085Really? Is that why Arkham Knight took place during one night while Spiderman ps4 took place during the span of days?
@@teo_the_riddler batmans villains are pretty weak compared to Spider-Man’s. If you put Spider-Man in Arkham it would’ve took place over an hour or two.
That’s a pretty weak argument considering Spider-Man wasn’t aware of the villain’s existence until days later into the plot
batman would not die to the sinister six he can casually take an explosion like its nothing, fight off fear gas and titan and can be punched through walls by bane
The assumption that Joker would attempt to infect Spider-Man the same way he did Batman is pretty lame considering Joker is proven to be just as if not more intelligent than Batman at times. He would absolutely have a different approach with respect to spidey sense.
*sees colin video notif*
*stops playing spiderman to watch video*
popcorn time
6:00 if jason had the same relationship with peter as he did batman wouldn't that mean jasons suit would be equipped to deal with spiderman
If they swapped cities, Batman would either die fighting all 6 of the sinister 6 or stay the same but enjoy the fact not all of them are as terrifying as what he had to deal with nightly and somehow keep up since he can keep up with the JL. And for Spider-Man it would either be easy since many of them are weaker or he’d struggle not to initiate self destruct with all the insane horror movie villains abusing drugs by using them on everyone else
I don‘t think that one of the Sinister 6 would land a hit on Batman. And as a great detective he would notice from the table of the laboratory that Doc Ock is up to something and stoping him before things get to role. And realize who Negative man is, after their first encounter… sorry, but the sinister 6 are not a big thread do the Bat.
@@Elbendikou yes they are for sure electro just one taps him
@@mariahronnkristjansdottir8231 I am pretty sure that Batman suit is in the most parts Kefla and Gum. Electro is really not a threat and will be knocked down with a glas of water or/ and EMP.
@@Elbendikouand batman doesn't have water on his belt
@@Elbendikoubatman doesn't have the speed, strength, or spider sense to deal with the sinister 6
People love using the excuse that batman is better because he went up against tanks.
Yet ps4 spiderman literally stopped sable tanks which telling from the tech sable has they were far more advanced then Arkham knight tech.
Not to mention basic tanks aren't as fast as cars are and it looks like Arkham knight used basic tanks with more weapons.
While sable created a tank that could keep up with the speed of a car which just makes spiderman stopping sable tanks far more impressive.
@@abeydaby16 yes tf they are they are literally tanks with way better tech and more faster literally stated to be tanks they are literally just smaller tanks which makes it better and faster then a regular tank.
@@abeydaby16 they are faster because they are tanks made to be faster and smaller. they have the same features and daurbitly as a tank just faster with more tech. they do compare you clearly haven't played spiderman because.
those arkham tanks aren't that powerful.
@@hammer-0Spider-Man 2 didn't even come out yet.
@@Batman-ps4om I didn't say anything about spiderman 2
Not to mention Batman had to fight tanks within a tank. Meanwhile Spider-Man tore up tanks...
*...WITH HIS BARE HANDS*
Look I love Spider-Man more than Batman but even I know Peter would have some difficulty with certain people and vice versa. They also have different tactics for dealing with things which plays a huge role. Like what can Otto do against someone who hides in the shadows, can dodge his attacks and has multiple skills and gadgets to make most fights seem easy? What is scarecrow supposed to do against someone with spider sense? Also I don’t think impaling and snapping Slades neck would actually kill him.
Batman is out scaled by Otto so it doesn’t matter if he uses the shadows, also Otto’s arms give him 360 vision all around him. And tf u mean that wouldn’t kill Deathstroke💀
@@C0LIN. isn’t Batman literally outscaled by most of his villains? Clayface, killer croc, poison ivy, bane, Ra’s, etc but still manages to win with skill and intellect? Also because of slades healing factor. It’s not wolverine like but it’s still is one which is why I said that.
@@seanwuzhere12Arkham Batman can still hurt superhumans with his punches alone... Killer Croc has a healing factor and Arkham Origins batman managed to hurt him and knock him out when he wanted to not to mention the hard scaley skin that Croc has..... even though the Deathstroke boss fight in Arkham Knight is full of shit, batman still one shotted him with his punch and in the Arkham verse, Deathstroke has a healing factor
@@C0LIN. since batman can dodge lightning and has stuff like freeze grenades and remote eletrical charge i think he can fare well with otto
@@C0LIN.Otto is tech based, meaning all batman has to do is disable his arms. He would simply make some type of emp grenade or hacking device (which he already has) to disable them and pummel the living shit outta him. Without the arms, Otto is just a man.
I would’ve loved a 1 hour version of this video
0:23 the only possible way Batman might lose to slides routes is if they all jump any 1v1 or even 2v1 there getting slammed easily
Prove it with feats… oh wait u can’t just like every other goofball
@@C0LIN. I can and I'll send proof what's ur discord?
@@TUI.MYSTICjust put the sources In here becuse the only one I'd see him beating might be Mr negative and that's me playing devils advocate for batman
@@jaydiddy.. there's multiple sources Arkham tie in comics movies and guidebooks
@@TUI.MYSTIC if you make a claim provide a source instead of saying uhh yea the comics and uh type shi actually state the issue and run instead of sorcebooks say which one your making your claim based on
Peter Benjamin Parker is the best Spider-Man, but Kaine Parker (the best clone & strongest Spidey) would thrive in the Arkham series.
In the Arkham comics batman was actually forced to fight Solomon Grundy for. Week straight with no rest. And he beat him everytime with no weapons the whole time. Afterward she had to track down and save 365 random civilians who were selected by calendar man randomly to be killed. And then he had to come back for another challenge right after. Idk what human can fight a hulk monster for a week straight with no sleep. Even then I don’t think he can clear Mr Negative or Dr Otto and possibly electro.
good video i am kinda confused since the main reason the Arkham knight was a threat was because he was prepared for literally everything Batman had since they have the same relationships you would think he wouldn't be stupid enough to try to attack him like that and have a way to combat his webs and not get beaten that fast
Spiderman got defeated by silver sable repeatedly. He only got released because Yuri told sable to release him. Arkham Knight would murder spiderman first encounter
Im not sure about murder but saying he gets webbed immediatly is dumb because with the same relationships as batman had jason would know spiderman
Dawg Spider-Man literally fights avenger level adversaries 😂
As two of my top 5 favorite characters are Batman and Spider-Man, I really like this topic. Here’s my two cents. Arkham Knight Batman could beat the sinister six, yes, but it would be a comic nightfall situation. While Peter would absolutely wreck any of Batman’s villains, most of them are just crazy people. Most of Spider-Man's villains are genius mad scientists, so the few of Batman’s that can rival his intelligence would just be another Tuesday. Now, comparing their intelligence is where this really gets interesting. Peter is stated to have an IQ of 250 in the comics, and the same is true for the game series. Bruce’s IQ is either 190 or 210, depending on the writer, but in the games it is still a remarkable 192. Now, given that IQ is a measure of how smart a person could be with the best resources available, not how smart they are, I would say that although Peter is a gorilla in science, mathematics, engineering, and chemistry, genius Bruce had more resources than Peter, so they are probably around the same intelligence level. This, in the games, can be argued by them both being able to invent highly advanced adhesive technology. Peter with his webbing and Bruce with his glue grenade from Origins
I wanna really quickly explain the different powersets of the Villains to see whos more powerful
Electro - Electricity Powers, extremley fast and powerful
Rhino - Bulky powerhouse who took down Peter
Mr Negative - Highly powerful (possibly mind altering) blasts
Vulture - Air based combat, fast enough to catch Spider-Man off guard and can fire blades
Doctor Otto Octavius (Respect his fucking name) - Four extremley durable and flexible arms, sharp edges being able to stab through the same material it is made out of
Scorpion - Fast poison based combat via giant fucking tail
Jason Todd - Guns and Martial Arts
Scarecrow - Fear Toxin (Spider-Man can recover much faster due to his advanced metabolism)
Penguin - Basically Fisk but less of a threat
Deathstroke - I feel I could say hes comparable to TaskMaster, but uhm... hmm
Riddler - basically a different Screwball type character, but more puzzles, also like taskmaster in a weird way, Peter also has a detective like vision via Spider-Sense and his lenses
I think its fair to say Peter wins due to his more Super Powered Rouges, don't give me the prep time bullshit, Peter with Prep Time has a higher advantage
@@abeydaby16ro you do realize spidey has fought back mentally against poison and literally broke free from mind control on his own with no help and insomniac spidey literally created a suit that made him a speedster he can easily create a suit that protects him from fear toxin his IQ is 250+ while batmans is 192 fear toxin isnt touching spidey
@@abeydaby16how do you know tho?
@@abeydaby16the reason he doesn’t use it is cause he gave it to a speedster so she wouldn’t did
@@abeydaby16the effects of both toxins seem to have the same effect tbh. If anything scorpions was more extreme
@@abeydaby16he prolly didn’t have the needed material to make another one. Granted I haven’t taken the time to read that comic but I’m sure if they explained away the suit they prolly made a reason for him not to have it ever again
The spooderman picture over batman’s face is so good 😂
Physically, Spider-Man is taking down all of Gotham with ease. But mentally, I don't think so. It's only a matter of time until a villain like Joker manages to turn him into Injustice Superman or The Batman who Laughs. Even if he wins, Peter would lose himself like Green Goblin nearly did to Peter in NWH. So physically, Spider-Man wins, but Peter loses himself and might end up as an even deadlier and scarier version of Batman. Oh, and Pinecone
Batman beyond says otherwise
@@billyboleson2830 What?
Physically Spider-Man doesn’t have a problem dealing with Batman foes except for clay-face and maybe killer croc since he has a great healing factor. Maybe Bane too a certain extent as well, But most of Batmans Enemies are more mentally taxing than physical like joker and scarcrow ect. So Batman definitely gets the mental advantage, the guy will never kill no matter what he didn’t wanna kill scarecrow even when he thought Barbra killed herself because of his fear toxin and You stated that Spider-Man will kill if he’s pushed enough and Spider-Man has let his emotions get the better of him before. I don’t think he’s mentally strong enough to handle joker and the fear toxin at all and joker would take over peter body
Saying that any of Batman’s physical villains pose a problem already tells me u don’t know anything about Spider-Man… And ya I had Joker take over Spider-Man just as Batman gets taken with Joker to say that Batman is on another level of mental will power of Spider-Man is simply just false Peter was dealing with hallucinations that hone into his fears and a shit ton of emotional loss and self doubt and guess what he prevailed. Y’all need to stop acting like Spider-Man is weak mentally
@@C0LIN. lol you say I don’t know shit about Spider-Man but then instantly show you don’t know how fear toxin works Peter has a lot more fears than a Batman proven by you and the game and character itself, that would only make the toxin more effective on him. And I Said MAYBE croc and bane could pose a threat since croc has a great Healing factor and bane is a master tactician he’ll watch Spider-Man and analyze him before straight up fighting him like he did with Batman. and clay face would definitely be hard fight he’s very similar to sandman who Spider-Man already struggles with. Also I never said Peter is mentally weak I just stated Batman is more mentally stronger which he is, he’s only human at the end of the day and still has the will to fight an army and fear toxin and joker trying to take over his body 🤷♂️
Spider sense would make dodging gas easy can't surprise him really
@@daraghokane4236 gas that goes through cloths and gas masks and spreads in multi directions and covers entire buildings and blocks in seconds, and eventually gets an even stronger version which covers the entire city in seconds. it’s not like dodging singular bullets coming from a specific direction. Plus Spider-Man was tagged by silver stable Multiple times (which i agree with people saying it’s bullshit) but that’s what happened
@@NoName-1911.p silver I guess is very fast and agile
I think insomniac spidey would survive, but definitely wouldn't be able to defeat all of the villains in one night. Because it's also canon that batman does all of the side missions along with the main story missions in one night. Plus, spiderman isn't the world's greatest detective like batman is. So scarecrow would most likely be able to succeed.
Most of Batman’s villains bait Batman to catch them and ask for his attention
Also most of Batman’s detective work comes down to simply finding clues with detective mode and Make connections using the clues he is found to narrow a search for instance professor pig left his victims to be found and even though he removed the fingerprints and dna was corrupted Spider-Man like Batman has AI and special vision through his mask and would be able to find all the Unique identifiers
Meaning all peter has to do that Hyman can that he might not is have people do the cross referencing which peter may not have time to do in the moment like say Alfred and Barbra
@ATalesTruth- In gameplay it may seem like the whole detective thing is easy, but you forget that batman is the best detective on earth. So if he was struggling to find scarecrow, there's no chance spiderman is. Batman is such a good strategist that he was able to do all the contents of the main story as well as all of the side missions in one night
@@LucaBattiato-lm4rn to be honest the game itself was stupid based on the fact is batman was the greatest in the world he is damn stupid at times because the writing ti arkahm knight is so bad
Firstly batman wouldn’t need to set up a satellite to figure out the only place in Gotham capable of creating a chemical bomb is ACE chemicals
As if he didn’t waste time with the satellite he would have immediately head there and stop scarecrow sooner
Heck they basically fortified a 1 island out of Gotham having their HQ there so du scarecrow is there
And even stage enterprise blimps are in Gotham
Is Batman was the greatest detective he wouldn’t have gone through all the trouble to figure out trivial stuff that can easily pice together all this
And he had days after scarecrows threat and didn’t come up with anything up until the night all the villains plans(which revolve around Batman) are in action
Not to mention the fact is scarecrow the arkahm knight aszrel professor big black fire, fire fly riddler so on to all the side villains
All are giving away their location and are baiting Batman to come for them Because they all want to beat Batman or have an audience
This isn’t the villains trying to do plans that are under the radar or trying not to get Batman’s attention when their whole plan revolves around Batman
Where as Spider-Man’s villains I doubt Batman would be able to stop them all in 1 night because people like mr negtive was always on the move never staying in one place and was trying to do things at a pace without trying to get the full attention Spider-Man as Spider-Man would ruin the plan
Otto and Mr negatives fisk, roxxon tinker and all the side villains plan don’t revolve around Spider-Man baiting him or trying to get his attention
The whole reason Spider-Man doesn’t do everything in one night is because he is dealing with thing all around and the fact the villains aren’t going out of their way to make spidemrna come after them
Nor do their plans hinge on happening in one day or night
Basically if Batman was put in the Spider-Man game I doubt you say he be able to stop any of the villains or events of the ps4 game in 1 night because unlike the Arkham games non of the villains are fixated with Spider-Man while all the villains in the Arkham Games are literally begging for Batman to come after them
It’s even said in the Arkham franchise Batman couldn’t even locate jokers bomb in assault on Arkham and needed multiple nights to even locate it because joker was actually trying to avoid Batman’s attention(he had it with him in the asylum and Batman don’t figure until joker made his move )
Same can be said with the suicide squad
That had Harley not F up on her act and the fact the suicide squad was more careful with the secret cameras Batman wouldn’t have piced it together in time till it was to late
Basically the point is batman only does well when the villains ask for his attention and when they don’t want his attention it takes batman a lot longer to get things done
Think about it
arkahm asylum and city are both prisons which the villains are out in the open trying to toy with Batman and kill him even announcing where they are
In origins the assassins are trying to get Batman’s attention to get the 50 mill using hostages and trying ti kill yin before the night ends or they won’t get the 50 mill
And in knight scarecrow And Jason want Batman’s attention same with every other villain in an abandoned Gotham city where throughout scarecrow’s first threat days past with the evacuation of the 6 million people and batman didn’t find any villains or track them down in those days
till their plans that night were set in motion that night
Batman is only able to do this shit in one night due to the setting and the villains asking for attention not because batman has to track them down when they otherwise don’t want to be tracked in a populated city and try to execute their plans without Batman interfering (when all of them have plans revolving around batman) batman would take a lot longer than 1 night to get shit done
Ps I even say if you put spidemrna in arkahm asylum city origins or knight spidemrna would also be able to track down and stop the villain in one night maybe even easier than Batman given he can get past any physical challenges and is smart enough to tangle with the villains in general not to mention if he gets outside help like Batman(Alfred with mj, Barbra with ganke, Gordon with yuri, catwomen with black cat, robin or night wing with miles) and I guarantee Spider-Man would get through any threat in a combat setting faster than hangman making up for the time he may have in trying to track down the villains
Basically if Spider-Man was in the Arkham games
He have an easier time combat wise but have trouble tracking down
If Batman was in the Spider-Man games he have an easier time tracking down but would struggle more in combat
It’s that simple
In either case spidemrna clears Batman rouges in one night
And Batman would take more than one night like Spider-Man to take down all his rogues
@@ATalesTruth- I'm not reading a whole ass essay bro
@@LucaBattiato-lm4rn well it’s clear you didn’t watch the video essay
So which is it
Would you prefer to watch the whole video or read an essay
Spider-Man being in Arkham Knight would actually be a great idea
i would love to know what type of character would be born if spiderman and batman did a goku and vegeta fusion. since that would atleast be a lil intresting since you need to combine spiderman sarcastic sillyness and batman serious and cold reactions and more and that would make a really strong combination for me.
Insomniac Spider-man would run all their fades😂😂
Why would you assume that's Spider-Man would be able to cure scarecrows fear toxic while under its effects? scorpions poison is just that, a deadly poison that induces hallucinations, fear toxin is a hallucinogenic meant to drive someone insane. What Spider-Man did was make a cure for the poison that was killing him, you can't cure a hallucinogenic you can only ride it out. As much as I love Spider-Man, he's more likely to end up like the cop at the start of the Arkham knight, then power through it like batman does.
Zip his pants up when you're done
Mr Negative would probably give batman a mental breakdown with visions of his parents dying or Batman would be able to reason with Mr Negative to change sides and turn him into mr positive.
Really enjoyed this. I'd love to see what if PS4 Spider-Man was in the other arkham games, that'd be brilliant. Really, enjoyed this going to see Arkham Batman in Marvel's Spider-Man.
3:47 Why does PS4 theme actually go so hard here? This made me realise how good that theme truly is.
Spider-Man doesn't have anywhere close to the mental fortitude required that Batman had developed in his time of being Batman would have to survive Arkham Knight, even though he clears a solid chunk of the Arkham Universe physically. Not having as many resources to quickly whip an invention up like Bruce can inside the Wayne Tower really hurts Peter as well since he thrives in 'Guerilla Science' especially if he's given a lot of money or tools. (What Otto initially described Peter as in one of the audio logs with the way he can quickly improvise and make solutions).
Joker mentally torturing him through the fear toxin would be unlike anything he's experienced on-screen psychologically. I think Joker would be mocking him plenty over his failures such as May, MJ, Otto, Harry, etc and because Peter lacks the discipline Batman does, Peter wouldn't thug out the mental hallucinations for anywhere near as long as Bruce did.
But at the same time, I think he'd be getting stretched just as thin as Bruce trying to create a cure for the hallucinations while also taking everything on at once. He'd likely prioritize the hallucinations to preserve his mind for a little while longer before taking care of anything else he can't handle while tripping off the hallucinations.
While it's ubiquitous as to whether Peter has a no-kill rule in this universe, I believe that he'd find it foolish to keep certain people of Batman's rogues gallery alive, especially if he's deep into the night dealing with them and he's just totally done with the bullshit.
I don't think Joker's blood would affect him as badly as it did Bruce but the mental toll of having to go through the likes of Professor Pyg and seeing his Dollatronics, Killer Croc's situation, Nora's situation, deciding whether to cut the plug on Ra Al Ghul, watching Barbara 'die', being on Stagg's ship, the Crime Alley ordeal, Manbat, rescuing the firefighters and then bringing in the Chief, being worried sick about the Bat Family, seeing Jason being tortured up until his 'death' and then seeing him alive and hateful all in that short of a timespan would break Spider-Man in such a way to me, that he wouldn't be able to get through the night in most scenarios.
At that point It would be less about him stopping the cloudburst and more about him stopping himself from just curling up until a ball and sobbing for the entire thing over how screwed up Gotham is.
I realistically don't see him fully taking down Arkham Knight's army within 12 hours either, but he could get through a good majority of it if he remains focused.
Riddler would undoubtedly get knocked into next week, same thing with Penguin and Scarecrow.
Two-Face might understand why Peter wears a mask as it pertains to duality and Peter may try to get Two-Face to lean more into his Dent side because he sees how much good is still left in him.
If Deathstroke takes over I think they'd try to get way more mobile and just relentlessly rush Spider-Man every time they see him with bullets, missiles, traps, etc. much like when Devil's Breath got released and those released prisoners and Sable's forces and Kraven's hunters went after him.
TLDR; Basically, I believe a lot of things would have to go right for Spider-Man mentally for him to successfully go through the events of Arkham Knight. While he has all of the makings to get through it, if he doesn't lock in mentally right off the bat and realize the gravity of the situation, he's cooked.
I would love to see Spider-Man's interactions with Harley post Joker's death, Poison Ivy, Azrael, the GCPD and Mr.Freeze though. I think he could likely save a few of Batman's more tragic villains from themselves and open up more resources he can use to get through everything in different ways than Batman ever could.
If he does somehow get through Arkham Knight, the crime-fighter that would spawn from that night would be absolutely unstoppable. He'd probably have Gotham spotless.
Really good thought experiment.
Unrealistic also batman cured himself of the joker and the fear toxin made batman think he was becoming the joker
I dont think peters surviving fear toxin considering it targets fears and peter is NOT fearless
I know it’s probably too late but a youtuber named the invasion of sim recently had an argument with sk and brought you up multiple times in the video and I wanted to know your opinion on it
I didn’t even know
@@C0LIN. well the video is kinda long but not sk long so I think you should watch it
😳I just wanted to watch a new Colin upload,I have fans?????
@@TheInvasionofSimit’s you 🤯
Someday, there will be a marvel and DC crossover film
9:48 this is why I feel like Peter would most likely lose. I’m not saying that Batman could take on the sinister six(hell he’d be lucky to beat Shocker), but the main goal of Batman’s villains is to break him mentally. While spider-man’s villains wanna break him physically. And since spider-man has no where near as much willpower as Batman(despite having a lot of willpower to begin with). He’d probably go crazy by the end of the game, so really it’s a lose/lose situation.
bro the spider man comics don't give spidey a break XD
Bro thinks every Batman villain is like joker and bane lol. Two face and freeze don’t care about breaking the man my guy they just wanna off the bat, same with ivy, Ra’s, clayface, deathstroke and deadshot (neither of whom are actual Batman villains), hush, black mask, firefly,
Croc etc … literally none of these guys care about breaking Batman they just wanna kill him
In terms of powerscaling, i'm pretty sure both have a resistance, but it gets overcame by the enemy's potency of hax. E.G; Scarecrow perfecting the Fear Toxin to affect Batman, who resisted it prior.
Due to this, I'm pretty sure Spider-man would be greatly affected by the toxin, likely even more than Bruce. Spider-man has seemed to only overcome these utilising cures or treatments instead of willing out of it or resisting it like Bruce. Ironically, similar to Spider-man, Batman originally used a cure to overcome Copperhead's neurotoxin - which had hallucinogenic effects - yet as we know, later installments have him actively fighting and resisting it without the need for a cure: these later toxins having increasingly higher and higher potency to where even an imperfect version of the one used in Arkham Knight is described as having permanent damage by Simon Stagg.
Due to this, even if Peter has displayed a natural resistance to such forms of Fear Manipulation, it'd be overcome by the Arkham Knight Fear Toxin especially the Cloudburst form which accelerates it's properties.
But onto the actual story of the game, instead of just saying "peter hits them. they die" ironically without proving feats yourself (doesn't matter how obvious it may be, you still need proof on both sides), actually forcing Peter to go through the events of the game would absolutely fuck with him. Arkham Knight's enemies don't need to kill Peter, fuck they don't need to hurt him - that's not the goal in AK - it's just to overwhelm him. Tanks, goons and drug deals all on their own would be child's play, but all multiplied and spread through a city along with friends and family being presumably killed, beaten and tortured, the fear fart (cloudburst) nuking the city in fear. Everything all at once would likely just cause Peter to collapse and, while dark and a worst-case scenario, he'd likely end up like Barbara.
Joker's saying near the beginning ironically helps understand this; "What kind of super-villain thinks a bullet to the stomach and a handful of tanks will stop the Batman?". It's an extreme statement as everyone knows Batman is "a regular human without powers" yet even all of this is too little to stop him. It's due to them all targeting Batman's strongest asset; willpower, determination, the thing stated in guidebooks to literally be what birthed the idea of Batman. It's willpower to a stubborn degree which Peter doesn't have anything like in the Insomniac games which matches, thus, if he were to truly experience the events first-hand, he likely wouldn't come out well.
I feel like Batman would do okay in Spider-Man PS4 I think he’d get ass handed at first nearly get killed but he’d get better
You could give bats years to prep against Spider-Man and peter would STILL mop the floor with batman.
So i watched the video with batman in the insomniac spiderman universe. In that video you said that batman had no idea about the sinister six but how did spiderman know about all the batman villains it's a little unfair that batman had no idea about the spiderman villains but spiderman knew every villain in the arkham universe. Batman's villains are much more manipulative than spidermans villains meanwhile spiderman villains are much more powerful than batman villains, since spiderman should not know about Batman's rouges gallery it would be mutch harder and manipulative for him, in the end he would just kill every villain batman has encountered so is that really spiderman winning or is it spiderman losing?
We quite literally never said Batman doesn’t know about the Sinister Six in The Raft… The only ppl he didn’t know of yet was Martin and Otto bc Peter didn’t know about them becoming villains either
@@C0LIN. I'm sure you quite definitely said that in the video (no hate) you said with out the information about the sinister six he would have gotten killed by them btw you said in the video if he would have teleported randomly in the spiderman insomniac universe, meanwhile spiderman just
got replaced with batman
This will be a long read so be ready.
There are quite a few issues with this video. I noticed that you say that all the characters have the same relationship with Spider-Man as they do Batman but fail to realise that the events of Arkham Knight were engineered by Scarecrow and Jason to mentally break Batman and then Jason planned to kill him, if they had the same relationship with Spider-Man the plan would be vastly different so Jason wouldn't "try to get the jump on Spider-Man" he would know that wouldn't work and would have a different plan.
As for the fear toxin, if it were at all cureable the batcomputor would have started to work on one after the initial scan of the toxin, amd Batman would have Alfred also working on it.
Also the only way Batman was able to rid himself of the Joker was to fully let go of his fears and lock him away in his mind, it is even theorised that after doing so Bruce Wayne is gone and there is only The Batman. There is no evidnece to suggest Peter is capable of such a feat.
An unimportant note you had Peter acting as like he normally does when taken over by the symbiote where as when taken over by Joker it would be as if he became the Joker, so he'd still be quipping but in the same way the Joker does constantly laughing at the same time. Also Jason never cared about the no kill rule it was all about breaking and killing Bruce.
To be honest I could probably explain why almost every point you made was inaccurate, most likely due to a complete lack of understanding of the story or pure glazing of Spider-Man
Also Batman would probably clear the Spider-Man game, I wont go into detail as to how at least not just now.
He's so biased, his pfp is Spidey yet this is a "fair" analysis. Love the Jonkler pfp!
I think Peter would struggle more with death stroke
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oh nah S.K. is going to save arkham? 💀
Lmao
"Scarecrow wouldn't be headed to GCPD, he'd be outlined in chalk" coldest fucking line I've ever heard
How is this a debate? This spider man chalks anybody in this game, anybody. In one punch he could murder someone, forget steel strong webs. What you said about the tanks is true as well, he could web them all up, he could launch them with said webs, I mean he'd have a field day tbh.
they rly made him op
Ok, I get what you’re saying, but what about this… What if he didn’t have the black suit?
I would actually think Batman could beat the Ps4 Sinister Six. We haven't really seen much from Rhino and he does get brought down by simple containers falling on him. Bane from asylum and city is actually much like ps4 Rhino. And Batman would be able to get the containers to fall on top of Rhino bc of his remote controlled batarangs. The containers are being held by ropes. As for Scorpion he really just has to watch out for his tail and that only moves as fast as Scorpion can think. And Batman has dodged blades from actually skilled people like Deathstroke and Ra's and Azreal without even looking. Now we get to the tougher members but Vulture is an older no pyromaniac firefly. So yeah. And Spidey's webs could destroy those energy things. A explovise gel (which was throwable) could do the trick on that not to mention he could throw it at electro mutliple times till he can't take anymore. And lastly the most powerfull member in my opinion Martin Lee. Mr Negative Batman should be able to dodge that demons claws bc he has been shown to have good reflexes. Now as for how he would beat Lee is alot harder to figure out. At first i tought he couldn't but Peters webs were able to get trough the demon so the grapple hook could do the same allowing Batman to get alot of hits in and ending it just like Peter did. As for the last one the smartest one Doc Ock. Batmans new suit is nearly bulletproof except for a few parts here and there so the first beating from Doc Ock he would survive. And just like Peter he could go to the lab and create a batsuit designed be like Ock's arms. Then using the grapple hook and line launcher as web slinging and gliding. And using just straight up freeze grenades or ya know his hacking tools to hack the arms. Rendering Doc Ock powerless. And as for Spidey in arkham knight he could take everyone out i agree on that sure he would be disturbed by Prof Pyg and stuff but he wouldn't be broken in my opinion. As for Joker well if we say just like with Batman he is in Peters mind he just like with Batman would show memories of tragic events in his life. For Peter it would be uncle ben's death (if this takes place after peters own game then also aunt may's death) when he and MJ broke up. When he let that robber go. And this version of Peter has never had Green Goblin which is Marvels joker in terms of personality. And this Peter has never really had the part were he had to overcome someone like the goblin. Looking at this Joker and this Batman well let's just say this Batmans is truly hard to break if you look at all his games. Yet the Joker took control even if it was for a couple of seconds he was able to take control. Multiple times. I'm not saying Spiderman is easy to break but i am saying a PS4 spiderman would be easier to break than arkham batman or comics spidey. And looking at trailer footage from the new game coming out. Well you can see the symbiote took control of Peter also from what we heard about the story and the game this is early on in the story meaning Peter lost control pretty quickly. I think that this Spidey from what we've seen is yeah hard to control or manipulate. But then again so was this Batman so much so that he resisted the fear gas nearly impossible and didn't show that much emotion when Jason came back. And wasn't easy to be guilt tripped by Jason. Spiderman almost was by Lee which was shown by that mask coming closer. I think the Joker could have an easier time making spidey look like a failure and how he should let Joker take control wth use of previous memories than he would've with Batman. And when Batman returned and took control his humanity was mostly gone shown when he became the ghost and no longer Bruce Wayne which was the side that showed his humanity and that was gone. Spidey wouldn't risk losing his humanity Batman took control of the fear and the dark bc that was what Batman was. Spidey couldn't do the same therefore if we put the Joker in his mind like with Batman Joker could take control over spidey.
I swear people don’t look at how powerful Batman is he don’t just fight he mainly analyze his opponents and attack with strategy
Let’s be honest, Spider-Man could literally one-shot every villain in AK while taking them all on at once. I’m gonna have to say he’d take them all in an hour.
Scarecrow would beat Spider-Man right off the bat. (No pun intended)
@@Batman-ps4omscarecrow the bum who got knocked out from a punch from Jim Gordon 🤡
@@thedarkestkni9ht The Scarecrow that would've blown up all of Gotham if Batman didn't use his batarang as a radiation detector.
so how come he didnt one shot a fat man like kingpin
@@bobaedits7172kingpin is literally a borderline superhuman is so abnormally strong and he holds back.
Pine cone. Great video and using what knowledge is available and keeping the story mostly the same.Very entertaining. Love seeing videos like this. Hope this isn’t the last collab between you guys
....you say that batman would instantly lose to all of spider-man's villains but i would like actual proof of that. (Especially since batman has taken on similar villains before in the dc universe.)
Majority of them outscale Batman and no Arkham Batman hasn’t fought anyone anywhere near the level of the sinister 6
@@abeydaby16 they have no feats that hold any weight compared to Spider-Man or his villains… cough, cough
@@C0LIN.You might have a point if Batman didn't regularly fight people who out scale him regularly
@@C0LIN. ....batman tends to fight people who outscale him on a regular basis. (yes, even arkham batman. Unless you think taking on bane and Titans, mr freeze, clayface, poison Ivy, and a whole army is nothing.)
@@abeydaby16ok but he’d also have to deal with rhino a guy who’s ran through city blocks like it’s nothing and a guy who makes electricity and could prolly fry all of Batman’s tech
Ah, finally, the answer to the age old question: "Where was *insert random character* during Arkham Knight????"
Ironically, both Shazam and Superman spent the entire night trick-or-treating.
But neither of them will ever admit it. 😁
Loved this
Amazing video
Just realized that Peter would have a different dynamic to Batman's villains as he likes to joke around most of the time. Thus, I can imagine him and Joker trying to make fun of each other during their encounters.
This is a very interesting concept 👌🏾. My only criticism is I feel like you've elaborated more on how Peter got the symbiote but its all love.
He doesn’t have the symbiote it was just an allegory for Peter toning into his darker side
Less go new vid from da GOAT🔥
Spider-Man is highly intelligent, and will think of something scientific to put Batman’s villains down!❤️💙❤️💙
Yeah its called them hands 🤣😭
…. Yes…..he would definitely survive. Not only that most villains would give him little to no trouble. Maybe scarecrow, but spider sense. Killer Croc, well super strength. Mister freeze would also give him a little difficulty. Nobody really has stats that spidey couldn’t handle.
Bro is talking about Batman fan bias while literally blowing tf outta Spider-Man if you think he beats Deathstroke easily you are out of your mind bruh, also he would die with after one round of fear gas and or end up killing a bunch of people in the panic, spider sense is not gonna save you from 100 tanks outside gcpd in an open area that is literally the most plot armour thing ever and I don’t even think people should argue about plot armour lol
Funny how everything u just said here is wrong😭😭 If Peter’s not holding back he’s killing Deathstroke with ease. And u ppl continue to prove u don’t know shit when u bring up Spider-Mans mental will power💀 Spider-Man is literally a walking MORE POWERFUL Batmobile just off his own strength goofy
@@C0LIN.Peter, someone who has never undergone any sort of mental training is strong enough to handle enough fear gas to kill 10 men? Yeah, no, he nearly got mind controlled by Martin lee 💀Deathstroke is enhanced with strength, reflexes and speed, literally putting him on par with Spider-Man, coupled with his ability to kill, that is most definitely at least a challenge for him. Also I don’t totally disagree that Spider-Man is stronger than a tank, just not 100 bruh 💀
@@C0LIN.also how do you expect anyone to honestly believe ur unbiased saying this stuff with Spider-Man profile pic
@@ToxicCatMCdeathstroke is the most overhyped dc villain next to the clown. His enhancements have literally never been portrayed as even remotely relative to Spider-Man’s strength at most he’s slightly above cap. Dude jobs to characters like Cassandra Cain and nightwing on a regularly basis
@@billyboleson2830 bro cap has already beaten Spider-Man, and did you seriously say joker and death stroke are overrated 😂, the level of cope is unreal, spiderman literally struggles with WILSON FISK a literal human who’s just on roids
To further explain my previous comment, Green Goblin has laughing Pumpkin Bombs that has different effects according to the type of bomb and is also constantly trying to get spider man to see that even though he protects people, people will eventually turn on him and he could easily be as much of a villain to the people as Goblin is.
Joker has chattering teeth bombs that release laughing gas that slowly kills you while simultaneously making it feel hilarious about the fact you’re dying, a prop gun with 5 live rounds and one gag flag that says boom, a lapel flower 🌸 that shoots acid, another prop gun with a giant fist. Joker is constantly trying to make Batman see that all it take is one bad day for someone to snap and become a monster like he is and that Batman is no different.
Two VERY similar characters from different universes
ok first up, spiderman cant deal with 20 tanks firing at him at once without retreating or, dying, like he aint dogding 20 bullets every 2 seconds and picking up and throwing tanks while doing so, the riddler challenges would be impossible and fighting his way through the joker disease wouldn't be possible, he isnt as strong willed as batman. oh and clearing the fear toxin across the whole city just cant be done without a billion dollar car
There is the factor of perfect dodge, being able to throw the rockets back at them and so on
Also webbing the guns outa their hands
That call out about him killing Wolverine's girlfriend, lmao
I do agree that most of Batman's rogues wouldn't stand a chance against as they're mostly humans with only a few abnormal ones like Killer Croc and Clayface so a better question I would say is "how would Spider-man fair against Superman's villains" Barring the few justice league threats like Darkseid and Doomsday the match ups would be pretty interesting Lex Luther is effectively a evil Tony Stark who Spider-man has fought on a few times,Metallo primarily uses Kryptonite but he's still a extremely powerful cyborg capable of strength feats similar or greater than Spider-Man and Livewire is effectively a rule 63 Electro.
Given time, Luthor could use the "Jameson Method" to destroy Spidey's public support and have the Avengers hunting him. Luthor is much smarter and richer than Jameson, and will be much more effective at ruining his popularity. Plus, Luthor can field his own Iron Legion if he feels like it.
Batman once fought Solomon Grundy while injured for a week straight bare hands no help, and killed Grundy everytime with straight hands. That shit is insane. He’s also one shot knocked out croc and physically held him down in origins.
Generally solid, but what is with all the outside sources, we are swapping ps4 spiderman with arkham batman, not ultimate spiderman, or any other variation, there are a few claims within this video that say spiderman could do so on and so forth because of some version of him that ISN'T ps4 spiderman, which needless to say, wasn't the hypothetical put forward.
You can’t just say “he rides himeself of the joker toxin” how? He can’t just do that, batmans ONLY fear was turning into joker, Spider-Man has many others and your telling me Spiderman just magically gets rid of it just cause, 💀💀
And your like oh “scarecrow tells him Barbara is alive” no he would not 😭😭 he always wants to tourment Batman while in this case Spiderman, I feel like you just altered a couple things that wouldn’t happen for the sake of you wanting your preferred character to survive when realistically Spider-Man would loose himself to the joker toxin and essentially “die”. Everything up till that point ( 13 minute mark) was pretty spot on apart from mabey Jason wouldn’t attack Peter straight in because Jason knows his strength and knows he severely outmatched and also I think deathstroke would put up more of a fight, also I think Peter also would have a much harder time with the tanks as there’s thousands of them and Peter having to destroy the tanks and bending the canon would make the militia adapt to his strategy, also I’m ngl how tf could peter? You can’t just say he makes a cure without high amounts of evidence apart from “he made one while dealing with scorpion”
When I said how tf could Peter? I meant how tf could he make a cute
I love when ppl talk like they know something and don’t
1. I said Spider-Man would rid himself of Joker in the same way Batman does by overcoming him mentally and playing on Jokers fears
2. Batman’s fears are turning into Joker AND ALSO losing people he loves, as well as feeling responsible for everything
3. Why would Scarecrow not use Barbra his only way to keep Spider-Man from killing him as his last resort? Tf. U think Crane would just want to die???
4. Jason attacks Batman even though he knows Batman can beat him, but he does it out of blind rage and arrogance….
5. Idc if u think Deathstroke would put up more of a fight, what u think and what’s true are 2 different things Peter not holding back would violate badly
6. Again idc what u think there’s nothing in the militias arsenal that counters Spider-Man and Peter would deal with the tank’s effortlessly he’s literally a walking Batmobile just by his own pure stength
7. I provided multiple instances of Peters scientific expertise, and Scorpions poison is not only more lethal but also hones in on Peters fears just like the fear toxin….
But nice try bud
@@C0LIN. firstly, Spider-Man can not ever rid himself of joker the way Batman did, Batmans mental side is much better than Spider-Man’s mental side, you can’t say he can do what Batman did when u have no feats to back it up.
2. I’ll give you that he does fear losing others, but you don’t also realise that he Litreally at the end of the game also overcomes that fear as he realises that his fears nearly led Robin to his death, do ur research first.
3.because crane is Litreally insane 😭 like do you know who ur talking about.
4.Jason is also smart, he knows that someone with the strength and speed of Spider-Man would destroy him, u just used it as a way for Jason to be captured so he can tell Spiderman where scarecrow is.
5. I mean everyone is entitled to there opinions but also what u think and what is true are also 2 different things so no point debating that.
6. If he’s fighting 50 tanks at one time do you not think that scarecrow or Jason can rig them to self explode when Spider-Man gets on them which is a good way to counter, which don’t say “they can do that” when barbra Litreally does it in the game for you.
7. Don’t ever compare scorpions toxin to scarecrows, scarecrows toxin had so much power it was able to cover the entire Eastern sea board and still make people just as insane.
Also no hate btw I have fun in debating and stuff like that, I liked the video and would like to see more. 👍🏽
@@duskeey_ spider-Man literally freaked out and broke down when Doc Oct betrayed him. Imagine what fear toxin would do to him and what Peter would see while under the influence. Dude makes it’s seem like Peter has this mental fort that’s better than Batman but that isn’t the case at all. Batman has seen it all and faced all and if Batman was in Spider-Man’s story he would see doc Oct being consumed by evil and would stop the 6 from even forming lol
@@ID0XX Yh I agree Tbf Spider-Man is no where near as mentality capable as Bruce is and I think Peter always trying to see the hood in people always holds him back and also held him back from stoping octavious which Batman would definitely have done
He wouldn't survive since there is no Miles to safe him, and no MJ to carry him trough stealth sections. 😐
Batman r prep time is valid because everyone can have prep time just like him, but it’s his level of preparation that make it special not the prep time itself inherently. Give his opponent the same prep time and they will often lose
Its still prep time also he has money thats just it