A horse does not side pass naturally, it does not have a bit in its mouth naturally, and it does not walk collected with its chin tucked in naturally. There is a lot we do with horses that are not natural for the horse. I'm not disagreeing with you, I agree, but your reason that they don't do it naturally is not holding water for me. I want to get it into a little more. So you don't use position 3 and have your horse move his hind end over while riding. I just have questions. my point is there are many things we have our horse do that they don't do it naturally or commonly. Again, I do agree I think a horse with a good engaged hind end is much more responsive in many ways.
I think your question may be more for Richard than me, but yes, we do take things horses do naturally and exaggerate them for our ends or to facilitate cleaner, more efficient movement for our purposes. For instance, during prideful behavior, the horse will tuck their chin to their chest, raise up in the thoracic sling, and get collected with their tail high, or prancy and extended, depending. This happens for moments in time. We try to develop language through cues to ask for those positions on purpose and for much longer stretches of time than a horse would naturally exhibit them. I do use position 3 all the time. I start establishing that position by disengaging, but this is for a relatively short time. Once the cue to move the hip off of position 3 is established, you generally want to use that for engagement or holding/moving the hip into the circle rather than disengaging or moving the hip out of the circle. This specific aspect of engagement is one of the easiest and best inroads to collection as well as leads and all things down the road of leads. I hope that answers your questions. If you do facebook, I have a group called "Bits, Spurs, and Good Sense" and the purpose of it is to get into questions like this where others can learn too.
You should have gotten into more of the reasons why not. you did lightly but stop not wanting to not offend and get into it. That will be most helpful.
This is simply a clip from a 4 hour conversation. We got pretty deep in a lot of things and certainly weren't shy about possibly offending someone. The podcast is "Adult Onset Horsemanship" and it's available on all podcast directories, like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Musics, and even UA-cam now (minus the video).
A horse does not side pass naturally, it does not have a bit in its mouth naturally, and it does not walk collected with its chin tucked in naturally. There is a lot we do with horses that are not natural for the horse. I'm not disagreeing with you, I agree, but your reason that they don't do it naturally is not holding water for me. I want to get it into a little more. So you don't use position 3 and have your horse move his hind end over while riding. I just have questions. my point is there are many things we have our horse do that they don't do it naturally or commonly. Again, I do agree I think a horse with a good engaged hind end is much more responsive in many ways.
I think your question may be more for Richard than me, but yes, we do take things horses do naturally and exaggerate them for our ends or to facilitate cleaner, more efficient movement for our purposes. For instance, during prideful behavior, the horse will tuck their chin to their chest, raise up in the thoracic sling, and get collected with their tail high, or prancy and extended, depending. This happens for moments in time. We try to develop language through cues to ask for those positions on purpose and for much longer stretches of time than a horse would naturally exhibit them. I do use position 3 all the time. I start establishing that position by disengaging, but this is for a relatively short time. Once the cue to move the hip off of position 3 is established, you generally want to use that for engagement or holding/moving the hip into the circle rather than disengaging or moving the hip out of the circle. This specific aspect of engagement is one of the easiest and best inroads to collection as well as leads and all things down the road of leads. I hope that answers your questions. If you do facebook, I have a group called "Bits, Spurs, and Good Sense" and the purpose of it is to get into questions like this where others can learn too.
You should have gotten into more of the reasons why not. you did lightly but stop not wanting to not offend and get into it. That will be most helpful.
This is simply a clip from a 4 hour conversation. We got pretty deep in a lot of things and certainly weren't shy about possibly offending someone. The podcast is "Adult Onset Horsemanship" and it's available on all podcast directories, like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Musics, and even UA-cam now (minus the video).