If your looking for another swing method I would recommend mike malaska. He does this rotor drill. It makes you apply the breaks to get the club head to accelerate and a bunch of others
Also look at Mach 3. They have several exercises that have strait arms like your set up. Also full swings with a broom and the best swing trainer in the world is flipping your driver backwards. Swing the shaft like five times the flip it back around and a couple swings normal then let it rip. You will be amazed
Since we last spoke I have my tpi level 2 certification. There is no reason you can’t get in the 115 range pretty easily. I can hit 110. I’m 5 6 and 210. I’d kill for your build. If you wouldn’t mind I’d like to send you a couple exercises to do that will not only build your swing but also add speed
I hope so, but only time will tell. Next week I'll be cycling back through with a new baseline and new goals to hit. After several weeks, who knows where I might be.
Great job Chad, Kyle Berkshire talks about getting away from the swinging harder thought, he says it’s less tension that allows maximum efficiency, and it looks like that’s what you did. It’s a revelation when get the tension out of your arms and it doesn’t feel like you swung harder yet everything was faster. Great stuff
@@GolfTestDummy there’s a video of Kyle teaching Bryson some of this so I’m sure you’ve heard it, but Kyle says the key is training past where you wanna be on the course, he says it’s like the difference between a guy who bench presses 180 trying to do a couple reps at 225 and a guy who benches 400 easily doing a bunch of reps at 225. So if you wanna be on the course with your swing speed at 101-102 then in your training you wanna get to 108-110, then you’ll be in real control of the 102 on the course
Exactly, and I've seen that video. It's over training. Pushing your max, so that it brings your average up alo g with it. I'm gonna do this for several weeks and see. It's one thing for a real athlete with real talent to show proof of concept. That's great. But can Joe Schmoe do it? Thats the test for me here.
@@GolfTestDummy if I experienced how much work it is to gain 5mph swing speed, the thought of training 5mph past that might get me thinking of different hobbies lol
Great job, Chad, just don’t lose too much accuracy. Tighter shot dispersion is critical, no matter how far you hit it. Happy you moved your swing thoughts to faster not harder. Also glad you were focusing more on ball speed and not club head speed. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! I lose accuracy for sure when I'm swinging my guts out, but the goal is to move my average ball speed by over training, and hopefully, my "fairway finder" swing will be just as accurate, but 30 yards longer after several weeks.
Impressive stuff and great performance Chad. I imagine that I would be gasping for air and needing medical support after trying that stuff! My biggest challenge has been getting the driver shots to stay in the fairway at reasonable distance for my age ( 67) . Looking at Arccos data and average distance / age& handicap I feel a little better about my distance. I recently upgraded my driver to a Cleveland Launcher XL set at 10.5 and I seem to be finding the sweet spot more often. I got a 244m (about 260 yard) drive the other day which was great, but my average is closer to 200-210 (220-230yards). My data shows that I score better if I can get within 110 yards-130 yards of the green on par 4's, mainly because outside that distance I am using hybrids/ 7 wood for approach shots. So a bit of extra distance does help us all, if we can control it.
what a great session you had.... dude you need to reset your goals.....hahaha you're gonna blow way past what you thought.... we all know you are more athletic than most
Fun stuff to watch! And loose jellyfish is really preferable to kale, no doubt although I would advise against frying them. I had never known of Alex Etches and have been watching him since you mentioned him last video and chuckling over the loose jellyfish moments that happened in his Bryson experiment. It's quite funny that he was trying CHS versus BS since he almost killed himself trying to fulfill the criteria but made some really quite amazing improvements. Congrats on the increases! What was interesting to watch is that I could literally see your swing improving as you went "through the gears" so to speak. Your trail hand doing more of a tray holding position and trail arm keeping more width were both noticeable as the bigger increases started; which led to more rotation and trail arm release through impact. I think that the retention of hip depth (although there possibly was some improvement on some of those swings) in the DS will be another gold mine of leverage optimization. Quite interesting to note that one can kind of force technical refinement of efficiency by demanding more of the engine in a manner of speaking. It strikes me that this is what Nicklaus meant when he said that he believed it was probably best to teach kids to learn to hit it far first and then learn to hit it straight. The body can learn a lot about swinging a club in general by learning to optimize the force of leverage. It was also sort of serendipitous that you needed the voice over which kind of made it seem like an episode of "Shaolin Driver". Well you've put a "Bigfoot" into the territory of distance gains; keep up the good work :-) Cheers.
Timothy I am happy to hear that you watched some of Alex's videos. He's got a hell of a swing and some serious speed. Not to mention he does a great job with his content. Thanks for the observations on my swing, and you're absolutely right. It's a lot like an engine. When you're just getting on the road and warming up, it's almost like your car needs its morning coffee for a bit. Then, inevitably, you get in some stop and go traffic, and the car is almost frustrated. Once you get out on the open road and you can open it up, you can feel the car settle in and find it's spot of peak performance. There is a redline though, and in these drills, pushing so hard to the very edge, it starts to break down. Technique becomes worse and sloppy. But, it's necessary in order to find out where you need tuning and once you cycle through and start again, you'll be faster next time.
@@GolfTestDummy Yeah, Alex's swing is an interesting one. He's a big strong guy with maybe a fairly limited range of motion but he utilizes what he has very efficiently. He picks up the club fairly rapidly and starts folding the trail arm immediately BUT the clubhead comes right up the plane line and his backswing is very CONNECTED (chest moving with the lead arm). So the trail arm is working like a piston back and through and all he needs to do is shift his weight, drop his trail shoulder to bring the club back on plane and release his trail arm as he turns through and he applies tremendous leverage to the shaft especially as he starts down. He is "springing" the driver shaft about as well as anyone that I have seen and then he gets the club down so fast that he takes full advantage of the energy that he has loaded into it as he starts down. It's not a swing that you would see with many pros (especially tour) because almost all of them have significantly more extension. Rahm is perhaps one of the closest but even he has significantly more width but his swing might be even shorter. Rahm's swing though is an adaptation to a trail foot that was clubbed at birth and had to be broken and put in a cast so he doesn't have full strength in it. Alex's lack of trail arm width leads to a bit of a timing issue when he starts to swing fast at times because the trail arm is going through so much release (rapidly changing angles) in an increasingly short period. I notice that he starts to get "under it" and them starts to either block or flip it at impact which is where he starts to talk about his swing not being good at that moment. Don't get me wrong, he does very well with what he has and I'm more talking about the value of width. Rahm's width makes his release extremely stable and less timing dependant and thus he's one of the longest straightest players out there. The two things that will make a swing extremely stable and consistent are having some width and staying on the shaft plane (which width facilitates) or parallel to it virtually throughout the motion. As far as redlining goes, I think that you're absolutely right and if you manage to discover (a) source(s) of an increased efficiency (antidote to sloppiness) through the process of breakdown, then you can proceed to the next "level". BTW, I'm not trying to muddle your mind with technical stuff, just engaging in some "swing talk" and hopefully you don't mind :-) Cheers.
@@GolfTestDummy True Story of the Week: So I'm in Scotland, playing Open rota courses and decide to take a trip to Loch Ness ... No, No, Just Kidding! The other story is completely true though, honestly. Let me start over; In 1989, I went to Silicon Valley in October for my sister's wedding about 3 weeks early. My father is a retired SV engineer/entrepreneur. On the sixth day of my visit, I'm in my sister's apartment washing my face in her bathroom sink and within 3 seconds, the floor is moving so much that I start bouncing off the walls. My sister screams in terror and bolts from the apartment and I follow bouncing off both railings of the 6 foot wide exterior staircase all the way down the 20 or so steps (almost went over the side). I run 25 yards to the common walkway between the townhouse style apartment complexes and as I arrive I feel the ground grinding to a halt as I move in a 3 ft. diameter circle while standing still, then stillness; the 7.1 earthquake was over. I am contemplating the magnitude of what I just felt and calculating damage in my mind. A young bohemian looking tenant stumbles down the stairs from the opposite side of the courtyard looking dazed with a portable radio stuck to his ear. "That is going to have knocked down some things", I confidently say to him. "No, everything's built to withstand earthquakes here" he retorts. I shoot him a doubtful look as he tunes more attentively into the radio. "Bay Bridge is down" he exclaims looking rather stunned. We all go quiet. Let me tell you, it's hard to describe how terrifying a big earthquake is but I imagine, having been there, that it's kind of the way a bug must feel when it starts to realize you're about to squish it; extremely small and vulnerable. Golf part of the story: After my sister's wedding, we went to play Poppy Hills (near Pebble Beach, and used to be one of the PB Pro Am courses (timely story because it's Pro Am week)). Sight unseen, I shot 76 from the tips (with a boneheaded triple on the front), hit all but one of the 5s in two and shot 35 (-1) on the back. It's hard to describe how beautiful it is in that area. It's like Shangri-La. In fact, it doesn't just look beautiful (although it really, really does) but it FEELS beautiful if that makes any sense. You could plunk me down there and I'd literally be happy to never go anywhere else for the rest of my life. I played Pebble once also but I was 16 and played pretty awfully but it was amazing and the price was certainly right; $28. Oh, and played Spyglass twice for $12 and $15 respectively around the same time. Those were the days!
@@GolfTestDummy Well, I guess that I should have known that earthquakes (even major ones) don't stand a chance against Double Eagles, Leprechauns, and Sasquatch! :-)
@@GolfTestDummy I thought that you might interested ( more than in earthquakes anyways :-) ) in the comment that I wrote about this video: ua-cam.com/video/x-gxPyg0hG8/v-deo.html on Be Better Golf, given your current area of exploration in the golf swing. Cheers.
For a moment i was scared, i though woooot? Dummy is doing 143 swing speed??? He must be lifting !!! or doin some weird trade with the devil. HAHAHA Amazing video amigo Chad !
Haha, it's something that Alex Etches has done as a goof in some of his videos. If you watch the first video in this series, which was last week, I go through it all and explain the goals and the thoughts. Basically, my driver doesn't fall in line distance wise with my other clubs, and I'm going to spend several weeks training to increase my distance and see if it works.
The accuracy wasn't too bad, but in going through drills like this, the likelihood is that you're going to see more erratic flight. This will be a process over a few weeks and in no way will my new swing involve "swinging out of my shoes" on a regular basis. But once I am on course, my "normal" drives should be faster and longer, but still have the accuracy.
If your looking for another swing method I would recommend mike malaska. He does this rotor drill. It makes you apply the breaks to get the club head to accelerate and a bunch of others
Thanks Michael!
Also look at Mach 3. They have several exercises that have strait arms like your set up. Also full swings with a broom and the best swing trainer in the world is flipping your driver backwards. Swing the shaft like five times the flip it back around and a couple swings normal then let it rip. You will be amazed
Since we last spoke I have my tpi level 2 certification. There is no reason you can’t get in the 115 range pretty easily. I can hit 110. I’m 5 6 and 210. I’d kill for your build. If you wouldn’t mind I’d like to send you a couple exercises to do that will not only build your swing but also add speed
I'll definitely try that. I've seen that drill before.
My email is golftestdummy@gmail.com.
Amazing! as a easily winded senior golfer I find the senior tees really help with distance off the tee. :)
Haha, thanks Vic!
I may start some speed training
Nice! From the look of things, I’m betting you hit your goal pretty quickly.
I hope so, but only time will tell. Next week I'll be cycling back through with a new baseline and new goals to hit. After several weeks, who knows where I might be.
BTW hopefully u can get your hands on that swing caddy... i think it might help u gain those 10mph on swing speed.
Great job Chad, Kyle Berkshire talks about getting away from the swinging harder thought, he says it’s less tension that allows maximum efficiency, and it looks like that’s what you did. It’s a revelation when get the tension out of your arms and it doesn’t feel like you swung harder yet everything was faster. Great stuff
Thanks Jim. Yeah, your bombs normally feel effortless.
@@GolfTestDummy there’s a video of Kyle teaching Bryson some of this so I’m sure you’ve heard it, but Kyle says the key is training past where you wanna be on the course, he says it’s like the difference between a guy who bench presses 180 trying to do a couple reps at 225 and a guy who benches 400 easily doing a bunch of reps at 225. So if you wanna be on the course with your swing speed at 101-102 then in your training you wanna get to 108-110, then you’ll be in real control of the 102 on the course
Exactly, and I've seen that video. It's over training. Pushing your max, so that it brings your average up alo g with it. I'm gonna do this for several weeks and see. It's one thing for a real athlete with real talent to show proof of concept. That's great. But can Joe Schmoe do it? Thats the test for me here.
@@GolfTestDummy if I experienced how much work it is to gain 5mph swing speed, the thought of training 5mph past that might get me thinking of different hobbies lol
This is brilliant. Most entertaining. Really well done, sir.
Thanks Mr. K! More next week. Gotta push it and hit another level.
Great job, Chad, just don’t lose too much accuracy. Tighter shot dispersion is critical, no matter how far you hit it. Happy you moved your swing thoughts to faster not harder. Also glad you were focusing more on ball speed and not club head speed. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! I lose accuracy for sure when I'm swinging my guts out, but the goal is to move my average ball speed by over training, and hopefully, my "fairway finder" swing will be just as accurate, but 30 yards longer after several weeks.
Impressive stuff and great performance Chad. I imagine that I would be gasping for air and needing medical support after trying that stuff! My biggest challenge has been getting the driver shots to stay in the fairway at reasonable distance for my age ( 67) . Looking at Arccos data and average distance / age& handicap I feel a little better about my distance. I recently upgraded my driver to a Cleveland Launcher XL set at 10.5 and I seem to be finding the sweet spot more often. I got a 244m (about 260 yard) drive the other day which was great, but my average is closer to 200-210 (220-230yards). My data shows that I score better if I can get within 110 yards-130 yards of the green on par 4's, mainly because outside that distance I am using hybrids/ 7 wood for approach shots. So a bit of extra distance does help us all, if we can control it.
That's the goal Kym! Hopefully.....
To gain distance, without sacrificing the consistency and control. Time will tell...
❤
😘
what a great session you had.... dude you need to reset your goals.....hahaha you're gonna blow way past what you thought.... we all know you are more athletic than most
Well I've got another video in the can for the coming week and spoiler alert.... it was HARD!
Fun stuff to watch! And loose jellyfish is really preferable to kale, no doubt although I would advise against frying them. I had never known of Alex Etches and have been watching him since you mentioned him last video and chuckling over the loose jellyfish moments that happened in his Bryson experiment. It's quite funny that he was trying CHS versus BS since he almost killed himself trying to fulfill the criteria but made some really quite amazing improvements. Congrats on the increases! What was interesting to watch is that I could literally see your swing improving as you went "through the gears" so to speak. Your trail hand doing more of a tray holding position and trail arm keeping more width were both noticeable as the bigger increases started; which led to more rotation and trail arm release through impact. I think that the retention of hip depth (although there possibly was some improvement on some of those swings) in the DS will be another gold mine of leverage optimization. Quite interesting to note that one can kind of force technical refinement of efficiency by demanding more of the engine in a manner of speaking. It strikes me that this is what Nicklaus meant when he said that he believed it was probably best to teach kids to learn to hit it far first and then learn to hit it straight. The body can learn a lot about swinging a club in general by learning to optimize the force of leverage. It was also sort of serendipitous that you needed the voice over which kind of made it seem like an episode of "Shaolin Driver". Well you've put a "Bigfoot" into the territory of distance gains; keep up the good work :-) Cheers.
Timothy I am happy to hear that you watched some of Alex's videos. He's got a hell of a swing and some serious speed. Not to mention he does a great job with his content. Thanks for the observations on my swing, and you're absolutely right. It's a lot like an engine. When you're just getting on the road and warming up, it's almost like your car needs its morning coffee for a bit. Then, inevitably, you get in some stop and go traffic, and the car is almost frustrated. Once you get out on the open road and you can open it up, you can feel the car settle in and find it's spot of peak performance. There is a redline though, and in these drills, pushing so hard to the very edge, it starts to break down. Technique becomes worse and sloppy. But, it's necessary in order to find out where you need tuning and once you cycle through and start again, you'll be faster next time.
@@GolfTestDummy Yeah, Alex's swing is an interesting one. He's a big strong guy with maybe a fairly limited range of motion but he utilizes what he has very efficiently. He picks up the club fairly rapidly and starts folding the trail arm immediately BUT the clubhead comes right up the plane line and his backswing is very CONNECTED (chest moving with the lead arm). So the trail arm is working like a piston back and through and all he needs to do is shift his weight, drop his trail shoulder to bring the club back on plane and release his trail arm as he turns through and he applies tremendous leverage to the shaft especially as he starts down. He is "springing" the driver shaft about as well as anyone that I have seen and then he gets the club down so fast that he takes full advantage of the energy that he has loaded into it as he starts down. It's not a swing that you would see with many pros (especially tour) because almost all of them have significantly more extension. Rahm is perhaps one of the closest but even he has significantly more width but his swing might be even shorter. Rahm's swing though is an adaptation to a trail foot that was clubbed at birth and had to be broken and put in a cast so he doesn't have full strength in it. Alex's lack of trail arm width leads to a bit of a timing issue when he starts to swing fast at times because the trail arm is going through so much release (rapidly changing angles) in an increasingly short period. I notice that he starts to get "under it" and them starts to either block or flip it at impact which is where he starts to talk about his swing not being good at that moment. Don't get me wrong, he does very well with what he has and I'm more talking about the value of width. Rahm's width makes his release extremely stable and less timing dependant and thus he's one of the longest straightest players out there. The two things that will make a swing extremely stable and consistent are having some width and staying on the shaft plane (which width facilitates) or parallel to it virtually throughout the motion. As far as redlining goes, I think that you're absolutely right and if you manage to discover (a) source(s) of an increased efficiency (antidote to sloppiness) through the process of breakdown, then you can proceed to the next "level". BTW, I'm not trying to muddle your mind with technical stuff, just engaging in some "swing talk" and hopefully you don't mind :-) Cheers.
@@GolfTestDummy True Story of the Week: So I'm in Scotland, playing Open rota courses and decide to take a trip to Loch Ness ... No, No, Just Kidding! The other story is completely true though, honestly.
Let me start over; In 1989, I went to Silicon Valley in October for my sister's wedding about 3 weeks early. My father is a retired SV engineer/entrepreneur. On the sixth day of my visit, I'm in my sister's apartment washing my face in her bathroom sink and within 3 seconds, the floor is moving so much that I start bouncing off the walls. My sister screams in terror and bolts from the apartment and I follow bouncing off both railings of the 6 foot wide exterior staircase all the way down the 20 or so steps (almost went over the side). I run 25 yards to the common walkway between the townhouse style apartment complexes and as I arrive I feel the ground grinding to a halt as I move in a 3 ft. diameter circle while standing still, then stillness; the 7.1 earthquake was over. I am contemplating the magnitude of what I just felt and calculating damage in my mind. A young bohemian looking tenant stumbles down the stairs from the opposite side of the courtyard looking dazed with a portable radio stuck to his ear. "That is going to have knocked down some things", I confidently say to him. "No, everything's built to withstand earthquakes here" he retorts. I shoot him a doubtful look as he tunes more attentively into the radio. "Bay Bridge is down" he exclaims looking rather stunned. We all go quiet. Let me tell you, it's hard to describe how terrifying a big earthquake is but I imagine, having been there, that it's kind of the way a bug must feel when it starts to realize you're about to squish it; extremely small and vulnerable.
Golf part of the story: After my sister's wedding, we went to play Poppy Hills (near Pebble Beach, and used to be one of the PB Pro Am courses (timely story because it's Pro Am week)). Sight unseen, I shot 76 from the tips (with a boneheaded triple on the front), hit all but one of the 5s in two and shot 35 (-1) on the back. It's hard to describe how beautiful it is in that area. It's like Shangri-La. In fact, it doesn't just look beautiful (although it really, really does) but it FEELS beautiful if that makes any sense. You could plunk me down there and I'd literally be happy to never go anywhere else for the rest of my life. I played Pebble once also but I was 16 and played pretty awfully but it was amazing and the price was certainly right; $28. Oh, and played Spyglass twice for $12 and $15 respectively around the same time. Those were the days!
@@GolfTestDummy Well, I guess that I should have known that earthquakes (even major ones) don't stand a chance against Double Eagles, Leprechauns, and Sasquatch! :-)
@@GolfTestDummy I thought that you might interested ( more than in earthquakes anyways :-) ) in the comment that I wrote about this video:
ua-cam.com/video/x-gxPyg0hG8/v-deo.html on Be Better Golf, given your current area of exploration in the golf swing. Cheers.
For a moment i was scared, i though woooot? Dummy is doing 143 swing speed??? He must be lifting !!! or doin some weird trade with the devil. HAHAHA Amazing video amigo Chad !
Haha! Yeah I could lift anything as many times as I wanted and I'd never hit 143 clubhead speed. Thanks Guss!
loose jelly fish ???? please explain mental and physical thoughts and goal,,,,,,,,THANK YOU
Haha, it's something that Alex Etches has done as a goof in some of his videos. If you watch the first video in this series, which was last week, I go through it all and explain the goals and the thoughts. Basically, my driver doesn't fall in line distance wise with my other clubs, and I'm going to spend several weeks training to increase my distance and see if it works.
What happened to accuracy?
The accuracy wasn't too bad, but in going through drills like this, the likelihood is that you're going to see more erratic flight. This will be a process over a few weeks and in no way will my new swing involve "swinging out of my shoes" on a regular basis. But once I am on course, my "normal" drives should be faster and longer, but still have the accuracy.