Poor Mark... he didn't know who YoungB was and was so hesitant to put his hand up I just wanted to hug him so bad😭 The boy arrived from Canada and immediatly was a trainee and eventually made his debut, he didn't have time to know the latest trendy group or artist :(
Mark is recognized as one of the best rappers even in the whole SM entertainment. Those men who changed their facial expression when they knew Mark was an idol are kinda fanatic. It's not that easy to become an idol. Stop being contemptous on idol rappers!
Honestly it made me so mad that the judges automatically became biased once they heard mark was a Kpop idol. Anyone can see they were enjoying his performance up until they found out who he really was and it’s obvious that’s why he didn’t say anything about it before he rapped. It’s a judges job to judge the performance not the person smh. Obviously mark is up there with the great rappers in this competition bc he made it to the finals but everyone was just salty and scored him so low here 😒😒😒 but it’s okay bc he’s the most successful now anyways and his rap skills did improve 👏🏽❤️
same i got so upset but oh well he got so much better and writes his own raps, beats, etc so he has definitely came a long way. I think they were salty once they mentioned NCT and judged him based on him being an idol and not a rapper. I hope they see him now and they probably are even more salty as everyone knows him as being one of the best rappers in SM
Have you watched the most recent one? The contestants dont like idols themselves. Cause the idols got really low scores when they were actually quiet good
It makes me so confused when judges or contestants think like that, cause Bobby from iKON is an idol rapper and he won smtm3, and he's well known in the k hip hop scene
Mark is smart because yes people might think that he is representing NCT this time, but no sir, he is wearing SOPA uniform, he is representing SOPA this time, he ain't gon be like Im Mark From NCT. that's smart
Lol. But its not always popularity tho. The judges there are too good but not popular than them. There are many artists that are very good than them/kpop. It's just that the thing is kpop is really popular.
i still kinda feel bad for him because ya know he does look left out. It feels like he's either overtantly priased for being an idol or he's ridiculed for the image of being an idol rapper. I mean this man already won a MAMA award at the age of 16, but still I feel like everyone there didn't give their full unfiltered opinion. They people there either let him off easy bc of his image or they over criticized him for small details to seem like the "unpopular" choice. I'll always say it, I think that neither option is right. if he performs great, he should be praised. if he doesn't do great, he should be criticized and taught. they shouldn't overly sugarcoat but they shouldn't poke at miniscule details as if they're looking for a problem. And i think thats the biggest problem with going into a survival show while being a well known idol. The opinions won't ever be 100% accurate to the judge's real thoughts. It will always be determined or at least influenced by how popular the idol is.
there's nothing to be ridiculed about being an idol rapper, it's just that they felt strong rivalry, first and foremost this is a competition and Mark as an idol having fans behind him was a great disadvantage for them, and I remember one rapper said they do not like idol rappers because they get more recognition than those underground rappers who live their life rapping, it probably hurt their pride since they're living for it while idols who have many more responsibilities and does not spend time solely for rapping is being awarded instead of them, I hope it makes sense
@@jjyviolette9177 and i understand that, i just want to see their true unfiltered opinion. because based on how popular the idol is, the people on the show wont get to display their true opinion becsuse they might be 'cancelled' by weird fans. If I was Mark, I'd be upset that as an idol, i wouldnt be able to be given truthful criticism because of my own fans.
Well-said. Perhaps this show can be more like King of Masked Singer, where the identity of the "singer" is usually unknown for the large part so the panel can give their truthful opinions on the vocalists' skills. Some people nitpicked Mark because he's an idol, while others might be afraid to say their true opinions again because he's an idol.
It's because they have this biased view of: 1) International winners vs. Korean winners. Even of it is a rap competition and stuff there is still a lot of discrimination that goes on in Korea and someone who is not Korean winning a competition like this can cause tension. Especially if that non-Korean is already in an agency and an idol. 2) these rap competitions have a bias for underground rappers and tend to hate idols. They feel like idol rappers are basically just pretty people with no talent in rapping. 3) if you were an underground rappers but are now an idol they hate you even more because of some stupid reason. I guess to them they think underground rapper are "true rappers" and idol rappers are just not? 4) if you're a girl well... yeah... good luck. You gotta have massive talent and a massive following on the show to pressure the judges to not cut you. Korea is really discriminatory, it sucks.
To think that Mark was left out because he didn't know YoungB at first but eventually became friends. Mark even introduce him to NCT DREAM and congratulate him when he won and YoungB adjusting his schedule to meet Mark since Mark schedule was too hectic.
@@markswatermelon2868 do you mean the video were Mark introduced him to dream? sorry don't have links or vid since its already been old but you can watch cuts in yt, tho only few have uploaded it due to copyright.
I remember when his members threaten to fight the people here I wish they did I'm proud of Mark he went through and is going through a lot and now look at where he is These judges can go back to the sewers I'm a proud nctizen
It is upsetting how the judges face changed right after they figured out mark was a member of NCT. During his rap, they all seemed happy and enjoyed it but when it was revealed that he was a kpop idol, they looked more strict. Also, ik Swings is an og, but I am confused by his critique. As a listener of American, Chinese, and Korean hiphop, rhymes DO NOT MAKE UP A GOOD RAP (Unlike basic skills such as flow, vocabulary, the lyrics themselves, diction, etc.). Rhymes are important to elevate a rap but there are many rappers that don't use it or use it minimally. It all comes down to personal style, and Swings seems to think that his personal style is the standard for all rap. I liked the other judge's critique though, it was actually really helpful and constructive, I thought he pointed out a genuine flaw in Mark's rap that he could fix.
I understood when Mark said he wanted to appear as MARK, a rapper, and not NCT Mark. When I was younger I was self-conscious of my own identity as well and wanted to keep it hidden. In a way, I really understand the younger Mark here. #youwerecoolbackthen #stillcoolnow #youwereamazing
I understand why dropping "NCT" in his introduction would change people's perception of him. If you were interviewing people for a job, you want someone with the most amount of training and experience. Mark had not only debuted in a group that won recognition at the Asian Artists Awards in 2016, showing their success in a very competitive industry, but SM also has the best trainee program, which Mark had already been a part of for several years before his debut. So, yes, people would treat him differently, as they should. He should not only be recognized for his hard work as an SM idol, having gone through years of intense training, but he should also be held to a high standard befitting an SM idol.
Because he's an idol. The judges and some contestants are legit rappers. Being an idol means popularity. Bobby and B.I from YG got the same support in Show Me the Money. The fans know how popular K-pop is compared to K- hip hop so that's why Mark saw it as unfair to say he's an idol from SM. Because the fans would end up supporting him no matter how good or bad he was.
There's a stereotype that idol rappers are worse than "real" rappers, which sucks since there are a lot of talented idol rappers. People have this perception because sometimes weaker vocalists are by default relegated to the role of rapping even if they may not be particularly good at it, though this kind of prejudice should not be condoned. I hate it when people form impressions and expectations of others based on their own narrow judgmental worldview that completely and utterly ostracizes anything they disapprove of.
Ain’t got no rhyme but was able to follow every beat of that bgm seriously !! That guy you can see how he has always been against idols that rap and went straight to talking English smh 🤦♀️ and the fact that there was a cam recording him how he liked mark rap yeez
Ur reaction is exactly what I didn't want to see, Mark said he went there as a highschooler yet all ur seeing is the idol Mark, that's why ur reacting that way. That judge did not just say that to Mark but to literally everyone, but I'm sure you would not have defended them the same way you did with Mark. His criticism was not meant to be mean but to be positive, that guy's a judge, he's suppsed to say what he didn't like about the performance. But I agree tho there was no point in speaking in english I felt like he just wanted to be cool by doing that...
I like nct but you´re obviously not a rap fan besides idols or something. Sorry I cant take your opinion seriously. He´s decent enough but not something special when it comes to rap. Mark obviously came to the show to challange himself and to learn and develop and improve. You know Sm scolded him alot worse during his time training then those judges. Swings is very well known as a great rapper and talented when it comes to finding other talented artists. Maybe watch the full show and you´ll see the difference between him and Young B seriously.
I still cry for SHR MARK. Idk if it is bcuz of the criticism NCT had during their debut times but I cam still remember dreamies kinda tearing up bcuz of the final stage of MARK.
bruh, the atmosphere...i feel sorry for Mark. even tho, he was underground rapper go to kpop, the atmosphere will be there. Like BTS , They tell main rappers that rapper who wear makeup aren't rappers. South korean forgot that Rap was created by African American
People be saying the judges changed their attitude when they found out mark is an idol but I honestly think it was snake mnet editing again. All of mnet survival programs ain't healthy at all
@@layinpinkismyaesthetic 8:01 On the right lapel of her blazer. Please search Sewol Ferry Incident to know more. I beg you. ua-cam.com/video/5_A8dq2fA5o/v-deo.html Here is a starter link. I beg you to pause your K-pop Mark HSR binging and switch over to this.
but look at him now... in of the famous kpop groups worldwide and successful af!! he deserved it and it was so mean that the judges like went different just because he already debuted in nct like what
He prove to those "rappers" that always underestimate the "idol rappers". They even gave that name with negative meaning in it. He showed them that the "idol rappers" are more than what they claimed them to be. He changed the whole rapper quality in sm ent.
My mama used to say that if you want to be successful, never jealous or blame someone else for their success. Well now i got what its mean. Just because idols has tittle as rappers doesn't mean these rappers can mock someone like this duh
I didn't make it past the part where the guy said "your raps don't rhyme, do research on rhyme" Raps don't have to rhyme 🙄 Mark's raps are powerful in my opinion and no one should give a shit about the style honestly, hes a talented person and they were biased against him, I personally think that's wrong
Idk but I feel like it's the MC's fault for stating that he won the best new artist awards at MAMA and stuffs. He do need advices from the judges but those facts just made people think that he's an idol and he won't do well. That's really not necessary
It’s sad how in reality there is this prejudice against idols’ ability in korea, not only in rap but for singning too, they are all artists and there are exceptionally great and talented artists.
Although rhyme is Indeed a part of rapping, it isn’t everything. There is also rhythm, flow, delivery and content. So even tho it might not have been exceptional it was better than what he got so It’s kind of sad to see how being an idol affected him. Idols are also talented people who worked hard and they should get recognition for that.
@@studyvibes3034 yeah cause idol rappers are looked down upon as not real rappers so they were rude to him and apparently 127 visited him but they didn’t air it cause they threatened the other kids
Idk why but here in the states some underground rappers don’t like mainstream rappers. Some think mainstream don’t write their own lyrics so they aren’t really rappers. I for one think Mark did really well despite having to go through school and his other training and activities. If anything I’d give him props for handling all of that and then making it to the finals! He definitely is highly motivated and hard working!
The first judge was straight up just rude, like where were his faults and what could he have done better! He seemed to enjoy the performance but as soon as he heard that Mark was from NCT his tone and voice changed like what the fuck. You're supposed to judge them on their performance without mixing personal feelings and being harsh just because he is an idol. He worked as hard if not more as everyone else and should be respected for it.
No pienso ver este programa porque si veo a Mark de esta manera otra vez voy a llorar JAJAJ, se veía tan joven, todavía me sorprende lo mucho que realmente se esfuerza. Mark chiquito lo hiciste muy bien a pesar de todo, estoy muy orgullosa de ti y del gran artista en el que te has convertido :''))
the fact that most of them giving a toxic impression toward mark srsly pissed me off. thts why i cannot help but being a toxic to the other contestant (not all of them). lolol
@@Kingdom_Of_Dreams but they were unnecessalary making him uncomfortable, he dyed many times tho he’s an idol he wanted to be treated as a regular highschool student wich he was , the judges seem to not take him seroius. But I mean how look at him. Most youngest richest kpop idol out there.
I kinda imagine what its like if the kids here are like the season 4 contestants. S4 competition environment is way more healthy than this season. I can see mark enjoying HRS more with those S4kids.
The irony thing is how vocalist looks down on idol vocalist,rappers looks down on idol rappers and dancers looks down on idol dancers but they all work under idols and have gained international interest because of idols. The food they are eating, the luxurious items,the money in the credit. Every royalty they gained is through those people they look down on.
if marks rap wasnt good then sm wouldnt have put him in every nct unit and superm and if they could they probably would have put him in wayv the judges or hobo's and should know their place cuz mark is now bigger then all of them xx
i feel like some of u dont understand.. mark was so young here.. and english is the language he is most fluent in. so it isnt very easy to be rapping in korean when its not his first language. which i kinda get why they were harsh and i understand why mark might have been less skilled to the others bc a big part is the language. and i could see he was so stressed because that was probably in the back of his mind mixed with being an idol on that show and being in sm. i feel like he didnt want to do the show but was forced. i felt bad for him lol
Rapper always has prejuice about idol rappers is so annoying ,but at the same time i understand they since are some idol who are called rapper when they aren't
@@edwardkuoch yeah i recently watched smtm9 and found out about him. he seems like a cool guy and his rapping is out of this world,. but his judgment here and talking to mark in English seemed embarassing 💀💀 like was he trying to sound hard or sumthin, like just speak in Korean the way you were with the other contestants
@@macrinaalasah but sunwoo the boyz get good comment from him and swings also prejudge to him but after listening sunwoo perfomance swings say sorry to sunwoo!!! I think swings like that because all reall rapper is real not fake
I can't believe that still after all these years, rappers still think you don't have talent just because you're an idol. BTS went through it, Got7 went through it, Block B, BAP, etc. So many groups and it literally ruins their self-esteem I'm just happy the people who get attacked learn to rise up and show them how it's done later in life. Like it's still work to get famous and ugh I'm just mad
Dont understand why SM have to send their idol into those Type of shows.I respected SM as they never send their trainees in Idol Survival Shows but seeing mark here really angered me.
But mark the one that want to joint this program..we cant not just blame sm bc its been known that sm rarely sent their idol on survival show..its mark decision to join it..its hurt to see how he was treated but he could learn a lot but joining this shows..
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When Mark rapped: 🙂
When they mentioned NCT: 🤨
It was all edites of the show
Poor Mark... he didn't know who YoungB was and was so hesitant to put his hand up I just wanted to hug him so bad😭 The boy arrived from Canada and immediatly was a trainee and eventually made his debut, he didn't have time to know the latest trendy group or artist :(
That not a big loss, YoungB is so overrated uh
@@-zey1923 no he´s good. I like Mark, but Young B won for a reason. He came in second on smtm8 aswell
@@dickidsrip5262 he is good but he have nothing special
@@-zey1923 Well lets agree to disagree.
@@-zey1923 you should listen to his songs more and then you may change ur mind completely. dont judge immediately
Mark is recognized as one of the best rappers even in the whole SM entertainment. Those men who changed their facial expression when they knew Mark was an idol are kinda fanatic. It's not that easy to become an idol. Stop being contemptous on idol rappers!
Mark is actually the best rapper in sm
@@mini-qq1bh fact.
Everything changed when they said he was from NCT Mark you have over 10,000 fans supporting you it’s better then 6
Ikr😒
and now its millions 🤩🤩
Honestly it made me so mad that the judges automatically became biased once they heard mark was a Kpop idol. Anyone can see they were enjoying his performance up until they found out who he really was and it’s obvious that’s why he didn’t say anything about it before he rapped. It’s a judges job to judge the performance not the person smh. Obviously mark is up there with the great rappers in this competition bc he made it to the finals but everyone was just salty and scored him so low here 😒😒😒 but it’s okay bc he’s the most successful now anyways and his rap skills did improve 👏🏽❤️
same i got so upset but oh well he got so much better and writes his own raps, beats, etc so he has definitely came a long way. I think they were salty once they mentioned NCT and judged him based on him being an idol and not a rapper. I hope they see him now and they probably are even more salty as everyone knows him as being one of the best rappers in SM
Have you watched the most recent one? The contestants dont like idols themselves. Cause the idols got really low scores when they were actually quiet good
It makes me so confused when judges or contestants think like that, cause Bobby from iKON is an idol rapper and he won smtm3, and he's well known in the k hip hop scene
@@nabed4752 in the season 4 of high school rapper? are there any idol participant ?
@@DPD04 it makes sense cause his idol agency is a lot more on the rapping side of kpop and a heavily hiphop influenced one
hey yoow to those people who look down on Mark, see him now?! He became successful through his rap.
Say it louder 💚💚
Yeahh!! Listen to “misfit” and you will know how far he goes!!
people success when others said bad thing..~jin bts
and he really works hard to be successful appreciate this man!
yeahh proud of my baby💚
Mark is smart because yes people might think that he is representing NCT this time, but no sir, he is wearing SOPA uniform, he is representing SOPA this time, he ain't gon be like Im Mark From NCT. that's smart
When the person u judging is more famous than u will ever be lol
LOL. Fr tho
and successful😌
*opinionated but always spitting straight facts*
@@exo_nct_wayv_redvelvet throw back i might throw this on an eight track
Lol. But its not always popularity tho. The judges there are too good but not popular than them. There are many artists that are very good than them/kpop. It's just that the thing is kpop is really popular.
i still kinda feel bad for him because ya know he does look left out. It feels like he's either overtantly priased for being an idol or he's ridiculed for the image of being an idol rapper. I mean this man already won a MAMA award at the age of 16, but still I feel like everyone there didn't give their full unfiltered opinion.
They people there either let him off easy bc of his image or they over criticized him for small details to seem like the "unpopular" choice.
I'll always say it, I think that neither option is right. if he performs great, he should be praised. if he doesn't do great, he should be criticized and taught. they shouldn't overly sugarcoat but they shouldn't poke at miniscule details as if they're looking for a problem.
And i think thats the biggest problem with going into a survival show while being a well known idol. The opinions won't ever be 100% accurate to the judge's real thoughts. It will always be determined or at least influenced by how popular the idol is.
there's nothing to be ridiculed about being an idol rapper, it's just that they felt strong rivalry, first and foremost this is a competition and Mark as an idol having fans behind him was a great disadvantage for them, and I remember one rapper said they do not like idol rappers because they get more recognition than those underground rappers who live their life rapping, it probably hurt their pride since they're living for it while idols who have many more responsibilities and does not spend time solely for rapping is being awarded instead of them, I hope it makes sense
@@jjyviolette9177 and i understand that, i just want to see their true unfiltered opinion. because based on how popular the idol is, the people on the show wont get to display their true opinion becsuse they might be 'cancelled' by weird fans.
If I was Mark, I'd be upset that as an idol, i wouldnt be able to be given truthful criticism because of my own fans.
Well-said. Perhaps this show can be more like King of Masked Singer, where the identity of the "singer" is usually unknown for the large part so the panel can give their truthful opinions on the vocalists' skills. Some people nitpicked Mark because he's an idol, while others might be afraid to say their true opinions again because he's an idol.
i dont get why these khh guys are allergic to the idols like bro
True. I also dont get why like thats. Iam so afraid to watch HSR4 because Win MCND join in the show.
Ikr they are bias....the only idol i know who won on rap shows like this is BOBBY from iKON
@@dewikurniyawati4766 yeah they made him dirty too im watching the show
@@whatshappening4378 no they didnt, his evaluations were fair and square 😭
It's because they have this biased view of:
1) International winners vs. Korean winners. Even of it is a rap competition and stuff there is still a lot of discrimination that goes on in Korea and someone who is not Korean winning a competition like this can cause tension. Especially if that non-Korean is already in an agency and an idol.
2) these rap competitions have a bias for underground rappers and tend to hate idols. They feel like idol rappers are basically just pretty people with no talent in rapping.
3) if you were an underground rappers but are now an idol they hate you even more because of some stupid reason. I guess to them they think underground rapper are "true rappers" and idol rappers are just not?
4) if you're a girl well... yeah... good luck. You gotta have massive talent and a massive following on the show to pressure the judges to not cut you.
Korea is really discriminatory, it sucks.
To think that Mark was left out because he didn't know YoungB at first but eventually became friends. Mark even introduce him to NCT DREAM and congratulate him when he won and YoungB adjusting his schedule to meet Mark since Mark schedule was too hectic.
Source?
@@markswatermelon2868 do you mean the video were Mark introduced him to dream? sorry don't have links or vid since its already been old but you can watch cuts in yt, tho only few have uploaded it due to copyright.
@@markswatermelon2868 source? U never watch hsr season1 🙃
I remember when his members threaten to fight the people here I wish they did
I'm proud of Mark he went through and is going through a lot and now look at where he is
These judges can go back to the sewers
I'm a proud nctizen
Wait what happened?? I wasnt a fan that time...
@@hyhykeolleo6224 everyone was very rude to mark
@@riazkhan8984 :(
Oh the nct members wanted to fight them? 😳 Which members were it btw?
@@Tdp4man123 yuta
It is upsetting how the judges face changed right after they figured out mark was a member of NCT. During his rap, they all seemed happy and enjoyed it but when it was revealed that he was a kpop idol, they looked more strict. Also, ik Swings is an og, but I am confused by his critique. As a listener of American, Chinese, and Korean hiphop, rhymes DO NOT MAKE UP A GOOD RAP (Unlike basic skills such as flow, vocabulary, the lyrics themselves, diction, etc.). Rhymes are important to elevate a rap but there are many rappers that don't use it or use it minimally. It all comes down to personal style, and Swings seems to think that his personal style is the standard for all rap. I liked the other judge's critique though, it was actually really helpful and constructive, I thought he pointed out a genuine flaw in Mark's rap that he could fix.
mark: im a student
judge: you're an idol?
mark: I just said--
Aawww I want to hug mark he looks so left out.
I understood when Mark said he wanted to appear as MARK, a rapper, and not NCT Mark.
When I was younger I was self-conscious of my own identity as well and wanted to keep it hidden.
In a way, I really understand the younger Mark here.
#youwerecoolbackthen #stillcoolnow #youwereamazing
Mark now be like "ayo listen up no matter what they say no matter what they do we goin resonate" well you see people 💚💚💚💚
This proves that Mark really worked hard for the position he is in right now. A slap for those who misjudged him in these show
I thought I was watching a Kdrama when Mark rolled up in his ride 😂
Same😂
Ikrrr 😂
I understand why dropping "NCT" in his introduction would change people's perception of him. If you were interviewing people for a job, you want someone with the most amount of training and experience. Mark had not only debuted in a group that won recognition at the Asian Artists Awards in 2016, showing their success in a very competitive industry, but SM also has the best trainee program, which Mark had already been a part of for several years before his debut. So, yes, people would treat him differently, as they should. He should not only be recognized for his hard work as an SM idol, having gone through years of intense training, but he should also be held to a high standard befitting an SM idol.
Because he's an idol. The judges and some contestants are legit rappers. Being an idol means popularity. Bobby and B.I from YG got the same support in Show Me the Money. The fans know how popular K-pop is compared to K- hip hop so that's why Mark saw it as unfair to say he's an idol from SM. Because the fans would end up supporting him no matter how good or bad he was.
There's a stereotype that idol rappers are worse than "real" rappers, which sucks since there are a lot of talented idol rappers. People have this perception because sometimes weaker vocalists are by default relegated to the role of rapping even if they may not be particularly good at it, though this kind of prejudice should not be condoned. I hate it when people form impressions and expectations of others based on their own narrow judgmental worldview that completely and utterly ostracizes anything they disapprove of.
Y'all, he's now the one who change the rapper game, rapping style, in whole SM Entertainment.
3:44 i can't breathe properly in those kind of atmosphere
Mark really through many things and keep working hard...
I hope everything good for him
Ain’t got no rhyme but was able to follow every beat of that bgm seriously !! That guy you can see how he has always been against idols that rap and went straight to talking English smh 🤦♀️ and the fact that there was a cam recording him how he liked mark rap yeez
Jkyun the other judges were but that judge was just a bit...
Adorable Aurora these kinda criticism helps and develops them. ....and its a competition, only one person wins, so.....?!
It was true though, their job is to give constructive criticism, its kinda the point
Ur reaction is exactly what I didn't want to see, Mark said he went there as a highschooler yet all ur seeing is the idol Mark, that's why ur reacting that way. That judge did not just say that to Mark but to literally everyone, but I'm sure you would not have defended them the same way you did with Mark. His criticism was not meant to be mean but to be positive, that guy's a judge, he's suppsed to say what he didn't like about the performance. But I agree tho there was no point in speaking in english I felt like he just wanted to be cool by doing that...
I like nct but you´re obviously not a rap fan besides idols or something. Sorry I cant take your opinion seriously. He´s decent enough but not something special when it comes to rap. Mark obviously came to the show to challange himself and to learn and develop and improve. You know Sm scolded him alot worse during his time training then those judges. Swings is very well known as a great rapper and talented when it comes to finding other talented artists. Maybe watch the full show and you´ll see the difference between him and Young B seriously.
I love his rap voice I could listen to it a billion times he has the flow Mark fighting 😎😍
Let's try taeyong who has different styles of rapping.
Taeyong's style is so freaking cool!
@@danielaeaaa Cool for you, but the comment is a Taeyong comment, not a Mark comment (no hate).
@@Kingdom_Of_Dreams stfu
@@naznottherapper Great way to show everyone that you have no argument LOL!
No thank you mark did perfectly fine one here
imagine changbin of straykids joining here
Rachel Truong PERIODT
Can he still join now or is he too old?
@@user-yu6ij6zc4v nah he's turning 21 this august
Oh my God I was thinking about that too
@@user-yu6ij6zc4v he's the same age as mark
I still cry for SHR MARK. Idk if it is bcuz of the criticism NCT had during their debut times but I cam still remember dreamies kinda tearing up bcuz of the final stage of MARK.
This is the young mark but he's already this good just look at him.. now in 2021 he can slap you hard with his fvckin' rap
MARK LEE, THE MAN YOU ARE TODAY. I AM SO PROUD OF YOU 😌😌😌
ive never seen mark this nervous in this video i just feel like crying :( 💔
bruh, the atmosphere...i feel sorry for Mark.
even tho, he was underground rapper go to kpop, the atmosphere will be there. Like BTS , They tell main rappers that rapper who wear makeup aren't rappers.
South korean forgot that Rap was created by African American
People be saying the judges changed their attitude when they found out mark is an idol but I honestly think it was snake mnet editing again. All of mnet survival programs ain't healthy at all
Watching this in 2021, I just want to recommend everyone to watch nct u song titled: misfit.
(They misunderstood mark's rapping ability!)
Omg, that girl is wearing the yellow ribbon from the ferry accident... I was stabbed with sadness
Jianing Chen where did they show the girl?
@@layinpinkismyaesthetic 8:01 On the right lapel of her blazer. Please search Sewol Ferry Incident to know more. I beg you. ua-cam.com/video/5_A8dq2fA5o/v-deo.html Here is a starter link. I beg you to pause your K-pop Mark HSR binging and switch over to this.
J W Thank you so much!
@@jocelynwong9516 No, I think they mean where in the clip do they show that specific girl?
@@Uurm0m I even gave the timestamp?
but look at him now... in of the famous kpop groups worldwide and successful af!! he deserved it and it was so mean that the judges like went different just because he already debuted in nct like what
he was so cute with his blondie hair own I miss teenager mark
He debut with 3 group at this time. My heart💔 imagine how tired he is🥺
He prove to those "rappers" that always underestimate the "idol rappers". They even gave that name with negative meaning in it. He showed them that the "idol rappers" are more than what they claimed them to be. He changed the whole rapper quality in sm ent.
From this Mark, to Mark the member of global super boygroup idol ....NCT & SUPER-M!!!!! MARKKKK IM VERY PROUD OF U. YOU DID WELL IN THE PAST AND NOW.
Mark was more famous than the whole show lmao. Mark,you have millions of czennies supporting you which is way better and bigger than 6 peoples
I'm feel like a proud mom, when Mark comes out from the celebrity car 😍
Hey you guys, look at my boy,MARK LEE NOW!!!!!
My mama used to say that if you want to be successful, never jealous or blame someone else for their success. Well now i got what its mean. Just because idols has tittle as rappers doesn't mean these rappers can mock someone like this duh
going back here after seeing how he grown so much at the point of being an ace, I AM CRYINGGGG, so proud 🤧💕
I didn't make it past the part where the guy said "your raps don't rhyme, do research on rhyme"
Raps don't have to rhyme 🙄 Mark's raps are powerful in my opinion and no one should give a shit about the style honestly, hes a talented person and they were biased against him, I personally think that's wrong
Idk but I feel like it's the MC's fault for stating that he won the best new artist awards at MAMA and stuffs. He do need advices from the judges but those facts just made people think that he's an idol and he won't do well. That's really not necessary
It’s sad how in reality there is this prejudice against idols’ ability in korea, not only in rap but for singning too, they are all artists and there are exceptionally great and talented artists.
Look at him now 😌
Swings bout caught these hands😬🤣
Although rhyme is Indeed a part of rapping, it isn’t everything. There is also rhythm, flow, delivery and content. So even tho it might not have been exceptional it was better than what he got so It’s kind of sad to see how being an idol affected him. Idols are also talented people who worked hard and they should get recognition for that.
and now he is one of the best rappers in teh Kpop industry! for real
Seeing this is hilarious because heis literally DOMINATING now
mark lee did well look at him now
He is EVERYWHERE😂😂😂
I know they don't know NCT there, but now NCT is getting popular and I'm glad NCT is known by many people.💓
this guy really handled that hard situation and nw have come a very long way.
dude he's so effin' good at rapping ugh!! WE LOVE YOU MARK!!
johnny came to support him... so cute
Everytime I see anything from this show it reminds me of how NCT showed up and threatened the other kids for bullying Mark
Omg did they bully mark,im new here plss explain
@@studyvibes3034 yeah cause idol rappers are looked down upon as not real rappers so they were rude to him and apparently 127 visited him but they didn’t air it cause they threatened the other kids
@@tretren1468 they should be ashamed,no one should be bullied even if they are not idols....no one deserve ti get bullied
@@tretren1468 they didn’t threaten anyone. What fanfic are u reading😭
@@asdkjgf nah they did tho lol. Search it up
It's okay Mark, you are the best rapper I've ever known!
all i want to do is hug him through the entire episode
this is old but i just want to say that mnet edited too much. you can see that in smtm or any rap competition of mnet
Idk why but here in the states some underground rappers don’t like mainstream rappers. Some think mainstream don’t write their own lyrics so they aren’t really rappers.
I for one think Mark did really well despite having to go through school and his other training and activities. If anything I’d give him props for handling all of that and then making it to the finals! He definitely is highly motivated and hard working!
Our Mark is so talented! You deserve more, Mark (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)و
The first judge was straight up just rude, like where were his faults and what could he have done better! He seemed to enjoy the performance but as soon as he heard that Mark was from NCT his tone and voice changed like what the fuck. You're supposed to judge them on their performance without mixing personal feelings and being harsh just because he is an idol. He worked as hard if not more as everyone else and should be respected for it.
this video is painful to watch
see this in 2021
PROUD OF YOU MARKLEE
YOU DID WELL
💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
No pienso ver este programa porque si veo a Mark de esta manera otra vez voy a llorar JAJAJ, se veía tan joven, todavía me sorprende lo mucho que realmente se esfuerza. Mark chiquito lo hiciste muy bien a pesar de todo, estoy muy orgullosa de ti y del gran artista en el que te has convertido :''))
He is so talented, and one more thing which makes him more even special than other left guys in the room is his handsomeness :>
They were smiling while the was rapping but make a straight face when they know he's from NCT. 😥😥
I love his confidence!
He was about to cry the sudden changes in the room is not fair
Why do I feel so bad for mark.. I want to hug him.
the fact that most of them giving a toxic impression toward mark srsly pissed me off. thts why i cannot help but being a toxic to the other contestant (not all of them). lolol
Humble kid mark lee
No problem .. Mark is still the most succes among them all
the staff looks like making an issue for views
If they passed Mark without critique, then that's not helping Mark, nor is it fair to all the others.
@@Kingdom_Of_Dreams but they were unnecessalary making him uncomfortable, he dyed many times tho he’s an idol he wanted to be treated as a regular highschool student wich he was , the judges seem to not take him seroius. But I mean how look at him. Most youngest richest kpop idol out there.
his rap was amazing, and he looked so little and cute ^^
I kinda imagine what its like if the kids here are like the season 4 contestants. S4 competition environment is way more healthy than this season. I can see mark enjoying HRS more with those S4kids.
To bad he was like 20 when it aired.
Mark and his rap do the judge even know how to judge mark is the best and best
3:28 Why so cute Mark
That's sone real struggles 🥲😪
The fact that rn he has almost 12 million views on twitter in a 10 sec rap video .
he was so small here my hearttt
The irony thing is how vocalist looks down on idol vocalist,rappers looks down on idol rappers and dancers looks down on idol dancers but they all work under idols and have gained international interest because of idols. The food they are eating, the luxurious items,the money in the credit. Every royalty they gained is through those people they look down on.
if marks rap wasnt good then sm wouldnt have put him in every nct unit and superm and if they could
they probably would have put him in wayv the judges or hobo's and should know their place
cuz mark is now bigger then all of them xx
i feel like some of u dont understand.. mark was so young here.. and english is the language he is most fluent in. so it isnt very easy to be rapping in korean when its not his first language. which i kinda get why they were harsh and i understand why mark might have been less skilled to the others bc a big part is the language. and i could see he was so stressed because that was probably in the back of his mind mixed with being an idol on that show and being in sm. i feel like he didnt want to do the show but was forced. i felt bad for him lol
After watching this in 2021, you guys underestimate him too much. Wait until you hear NCT'S MISFIT! Boom!
let go of the past, mark is more successful than all of the people shown in this video so don’t feel bad for mark.
bruh i cant watch mark sitting in that waiting room like my anxiety's been GOING UPPPPP
LOOK AT THIS BUBU
He is an idol
yes. we know that lol
Yep nothing but facts mark lee THE idol
You mean THE IDOL
カッコイイよマーク。良いよ。もっとビックリさせてやれ
ugh that’s annoying that they changed how they felt bout him cuz he’s from nct
Rapper always has prejuice about idol rappers is so annoying ,but at the same time i understand they since are some idol who are called rapper when they aren't
@@chah7805 very true
The bitterness of these judges to YOUNG and FAMOUS Mark Lee is too comical for my taste 🤣
YOU LOOK DOWN OH HIM THAT TIME MARK RN IS A MILLION SELLER DUH
MARK IS A SEXTUPLET SELKER THIS YEAR , AND OVERALL SOLD 15.5 million albums.
He’s also the leader of the youngest triple million selling boy group.
When that guy spoke English I cringed 💀
He was born in America. One of the best rappers in Korea. Swings K-hiphop.
@@edwardkuoch yeah i recently watched smtm9 and found out about him. he seems like a cool guy and his rapping is out of this world,. but his judgment here and talking to mark in English seemed embarassing 💀💀 like was he trying to sound hard or sumthin, like just speak in Korean the way you were with the other contestants
@@macrinaalasah but sunwoo the boyz get good comment from him and swings also prejudge to him but after listening sunwoo perfomance swings say sorry to sunwoo!!! I think swings like that because all reall rapper is real not fake
@@noname-st2br are u drunk? Did that man u mentioned showed up on this vid?
@@edwardkuoch but no one asking about him
Mark, you did well, really well.
요즘 마크가 젤루 멋지다 진지하고 노력하는 모습이 제대로 잘 자라 주면 좋겠다
I can't believe that still after all these years, rappers still think you don't have talent just because you're an idol. BTS went through it, Got7 went through it, Block B, BAP, etc. So many groups and it literally ruins their self-esteem I'm just happy the people who get attacked learn to rise up and show them how it's done later in life. Like it's still work to get famous and ugh I'm just mad
Dont understand why SM have to send their idol into those Type of shows.I respected SM as they never send their trainees in Idol Survival Shows but seeing mark here really angered me.
But mark the one that want to joint this program..we cant not just blame sm bc its been known that sm rarely sent their idol on survival show..its mark decision to join it..its hurt to see how he was treated but he could learn a lot but joining this shows..
Ayooooo see him now ???? The people who looked down on him just cause he was an idol
Mark did not know Young B. So cute, haha. It’s ok, you go Mark!.