Weird, I find exactly the opposite. If I make a gentle 4 to 2 (adjacents) kick on our Brunswicks, 8s or 9s (a true mirror angle kick) at the hall with center cue ball they are always majorly short, requiring at least a tip of follow. It may be that they haven't had cushions, or even cushion re-glues in 30+ years, but they are anything but geometrically accurate bankers, horribly short. I have even tested this on both types of tables with a literal mirror in place. On the other hand the Diamonds, at the other hall I play at occasionally, bank almost perfectly true geometrically...but they are VERY much newer tables. And I'm talking about slower pocket speed kinds of banks here. EVERY table comes up grossly short at higher speeds, that is just the nature of cushioned banks. Announcers often call that 'stiffening the bank'. Obviously you can also modify object ball shots with induced English as well. When I use a real or imagined ghost table to bank I add another entire diamond to the aim point to pocket the ball. I'm not challenging your experience, just saying it's completely contrary to mine. It doesn't really matter either way, you just have to play the table you are playing, in every case, not just banking. The funny part of this story is the proprietor at the hall that exclusively uses diamonds (primarily bar tables, unfortunately, but this was on the 9') took notice of what I was doing and fired a thumbs up when it dropped. I laughed. I almost never hear the pros glow as appreciatively about Brunswick tables the way they do Diamonds, either, but obviously there might be some sponsoring bias there, at least during matches they are sponsoring.
Allen is a personal friend and has been for over 35 years. What most people that are these matches don’t realize is that Allen had pretty much quit playing competitively on the tour and would only play occasionally in a tournament if the spirit moved him. He quite simply was one of the greatest pool ambassadors for the sport that ever lived. And for those that don’t know the guy is absolutely legendary for taking down some of the biggest scores ever when it came to gambling on pool. Say what you want about his stroke but when the money was on the line in his heyday this guy was as fierce a competitor as you could find and he usually got all the cash. There just wasn’t any dog in him and believe me I’ve traveled around the country staking some big names for tons of cash and Allen just never rattled. And don’t get me started on how intelligent and sharp he was!!! Truly a legend but you prob won’t ever see much of him playing at that level during these early TV years.
Efren Reyes is a master geometer and executor. Look at him at 5:38 lay down the almost exact path the cue ball will take. That's his 3-cushion experience coming in there.
I see your point but it is not easy to make a successful jump shot, so I think that anyone who is able to make successful jump shot should be allowed to.
A Pool Tournament should be created called 'Kiss Efren Reyes's Ass Cup'. All rules apply with one exception: No one who ever played pool before Efren Reyes Ever Existed From Now On. And Especially ANYONE who Ever competed against Efren Reyes is allowed Any References to the fact that those people Ever were pro pool or billiards players. They are Invalid to the world and history of pool and other billiards just by virtue of the fact that Efren Reyes Existed as a pro pool/ billiards player.
I agree, that push stroke is strange, and I am shocked a pro does it. Someone should have coached him a long time ago to change that stroke, I think it hurts his game, and it kinda makes him look dumb for doing it. I knew a guy that used to bridge with an open bridge between his 1st and 2nd knuckle, and it was the strangest thing I have ever seen. I used to make fun of him for it, and I started calling him knuckle bridge. And it failed him a lot too, I beat him pretty much every time I played him.
Allen wasn't playing a lot in this time frame. One of the best $$ players the game has seen. Playing 1p for big $$ he was a beast. Had very little dog in him. You had to beat him.
@@geoffh4578 Jimmy Caras, Steve mizerak, Earl, Cory, Dave matlock, Jose parica, Richie Florence. He is in the BCA HOF and One Pocket HOF. You have no clue what you are saying. He has played and won against anyone you can think of from the 70's to the 90's
1:11:54 1st guy - "He hit it good". 2nd guy - "No, he wants to drift below and under the 7." He did drift below and under the 7, just like the 1st guy said. This 2nd guy has talked down to #1 the entire match.
100% correct, Emran was lucky Allan perfect, I know who was lucky pity one commentator couldn't bring himself to say it honestly, Allan couldn't tie Efran shoes
You beat me to it. I am amazed he can make any balls at all. Almost impossible for him to get any draw when needed. His safety game was very good though.
I have read some silly comments below. They criticize Hopkins' stroke ... Guys, this man has a 410 straight pool record ... I don't know if you realize ... He is a world champion in several specialties; he is one of the most successful players in the history of this game. He's one of the greatest in history ... Look what a comeback he was doing here ... Idolizing Reyes makes you lose track of things. You live in a virtual world. Technology has stoned you.
His safety shots in this match is amazing, Efren needs a little bit of luck to get out on some of them cause Efren just shoots it like theres a 10 sec shot clock. whats up with that lol
If you subtract lucky rolls that Hopkins got bumping balls here and there it's hardly a comeback at all. Ugly stroke aside (it's not a beauty contest), it's obviously doesn't work: he's smashing the ball and barely getting one feet draw out of it, the timing is non-existent. But if they all played like this in that era, no wonders he got titles under his belt.
@@Lily-nr9zs Played and loved it for 40+yrs. Slow play is what ruins the game. Pool will always be a second-class niche sport if they don't speed it up.
I wonder how Efren visualizes the ball he is aiming at. What makes him so good is that he rarely misses. To me, that means he has a way of visualizing the ball that allows him to hit it with amazing precision. It doesn't seem to mattee if its solids or stripes. Maybe he visualizes angles?
I forgot how weird a stroke Alan had. It was more a jab type of stroke not a nice smooth stroke like most pros have. Phenomenal pool player he was in the day. He could run with the best of them all day!
For sure steers the cue especially on any type of cut shot. Although using the bridge is textbook...What kind of bridge is that seems like they found a handle somewhere and stuck a bridge on it.
ppl with that "cue action" only good if they feel confident , when they crumbled they are no better than amateurs . as the snooker phrase "its not about how good your best is , "its about how good your worst is"
@@jgallagher1359 Exactly. Just because nobody really plays that way now doesn't mean it's wrong. If you really need to cinch a shot you can shorten up the stroke like that and it helps you make it especially if you are nervous.
Like his dead personality. Some things never change. The talk in rooms around Jersey is he is still extremely full of himself. Eventually the well runs dry.
Have to see the first shot after the break from Efren, watch the cue as it rolls out, that table isn't even level.. got to love it. Old School. Allen should be thanking Efren because clearly when Reyes had the lead he kind of was just relaxing, playing pool hall billiards. We have witnessed it over the last thirty years; Reyes is a cool customer. He could have finished this game 13 - Nil, if he had his mind set.
Hey, the announcer said in the stats that allen only had 1 scratch on the break, he sent the que ball off the table on early in the match too. I'll go back to watch again to double check but, i do believe it was a break shot...
Why? Allen was a 2 time US Open 9 ball champion defeating Mizerak and Sigel in the two finals. His high run in straight pool is 410. He wasn't playing much at this time and his stroke isn't conventional nor pretty, but he was a champion.
The match itself is rather wonderful and highlights Efrem's abilities in the early '90s quite well. This stream is actually enhanced by the commentary. There is a lot of silence and humbleness and very few attempts to predict things that they just can't get right. I think this is because Howard Vicary was the right guest host to join Billy.
I'm watching this game a second time and I noticed my remark and removed it. I believe the problems that I experienced with the videos previously had more to do either with my phone or with the quality of my internet that day. I've also learned more about removing that difficulty. But I believe you about the quality of the original.
Good catch, but seems like they didn't really had their personal chalks by that time, so he probably simply got rid of the bad one. Still a very stupid move to have your balls covered in chalk in that pocket.
We have to make a buck to keep giving you FREE viewing, but as I said, there are other options. BTW, I would hate the commercials too, so I would spend the money so I wouldn't have them.
WTH was that stroke by Hopkins at 31:32? That was just plain weird. I can see why he was playing like he was previously if he was doing much of that. His stats up to that point were HORRIBLE, especially for a player the likes of him. "It doesn't matter who you are playing, you gotta shoot the shot that's there" Truer words were never spoken, at least for the offensive aspect. Not as true for the defensive, where you try to shoot to your opponents weaknesses, especially non pros, where they usually abound (they certainly do in my case :-/). "Some people say it's heavier" LOL...either it is or it isn't..they make these things called scales, and very accurate ones if you so choose. It's not like it's hard to measure, objectively and definitively. I always find it funny that people have 'opinions' on such things, like somehow their opinion has any bearing on the reality. Subjective stuff you can have opinions on, this, not so much. :-/ :-) I wrote this before the other announcer chimed in with the answer. The thing that struck me most about the answer was the "varies in weight part"...not good, makes me wonder how good their other quality control is on that ball (diameter, roundness, etc.). I know even top tier ball manufacturers do 'hand' match balls for diameter and weight, but since he called this out on ONE of the ball types, my thought would be to avoid them, personally, unless they tend to run 'truer' than the other choice...that is the MAIN goal, IMHO. It's like one day I walked by and heard a handful of other engineers 'brainstorming' what a problem with a circuit might be. I said something like, "why don't you just hook up a damned scope and SEE what it is?". I got some dirty looks, some smiles, and one laugh. I expect the laugh came from someone thinking the same thing I was but was more reticent to voice it.
You do not have a level of knowledge to critique Hopkins stroke to the degree you are. That twisting motion...it's possible he's using it all the time for a variety of effects. The shot you're referring to he got perfect position on. My guess is that is a common part of his stroke. As for the rest of it...you're on the right track but grabbing bits and pieces of language and taking it hyper literally and/or removing an understood context. The part that you're on the right track about is that people do not like thinking through things to the extent that is needed for super high quality. So as a counter they just kind of act like things have been done correctly.
@@noway9426 Well, you remind me of a person that can read something that says quite a lot, and can't begin to understand any of it, so he hurls attempts at insults, which BTW I found quite funny. That was truly a sorry attempt at trolling. :-) I fed you once here, for grins, but I won't feed you again. And oh, BTW, nice job getting a little bigotry in, as well. What you actually remind me of is someone that could seriously use some higher level education, if that is possible. Read some Dunning Kruger, it should explain a lot to you, or maybe not. Come to think of it, considering your comment, don't bother.
Ok, I need to make a correction, allen's first scratch was from a jump shot attempt however, it's still a scratch! Lol, i don't think the announcer with the runny nose has a cold though, he may very well have been self-medicating!!😂
Hopkins stroke looks terrible - punching at everything! He is so close to the cue ball that he can't even draw back more than 6". Weak as rain from a former champion!
The guys on commentary sure are making a lot of excuses for Hopkins. To me it looks like he is intimidated by Efren, and he knows he can not miss or he will lose. I call it playing scared, I see it happen all the time. I am a really good player who plays at the masters level, and I see guys who are very good play me and shoot terrible, because they know if they miss I will run out, and that puts pressure on them to play great and a lot of the time they choke. Then the same guy will play someone not as good as me and run out almost every game on them, when there is no pressure to play great. Hopkins is playing scared, and choking under the pressure of playing Efren, back then Efren was the #1 player in the world and he was beating everyone.
I believe that Efrén Reyes has telekinesis when he concentrates on playing well and can dominate the balls mentally, although Efrén must not know that he has telekinesis unconsciously. What is certain is that Efrén Reyes' destiny is to be the best pool player in the world despite the fact that he has lost pool games because he does not concentrate well.
Ive said for years, I think Bill Incardona is the worst possible announcer. Over and incorrectly analyzes shots, gives opinions vastly different than the players that are greatly superior to his talent and argues with every announcer he works with. He is why I will not pay for anything from accu-stats........ Hope he retires or gets fired soon
another great player that i cannot watch because his sloppiness makes me cringe- mike lebron and kieth mccready too, i feel my game getting worse just watching them.
you probably need to watch them more. to learn how to actually play the game. sometimes i'll play lefty to not get fixated on my stroke and realize there are 1000 ways to get out.
efren's stroke hasn't changed in all these years. still smooth as silk.
Its timing did change but that’s totally human but then again, not talkin’ about huge differences at all.
Diamond tables are the trend but I love those Brunswick tables. The rails bank true where Diamonds bank short. Brunswicks are joy to play on.
Weird, I find exactly the opposite. If I make a gentle 4 to 2 (adjacents) kick on our Brunswicks, 8s or 9s (a true mirror angle kick) at the hall with center cue ball they are always majorly short, requiring at least a tip of follow. It may be that they haven't had cushions, or even cushion re-glues in 30+ years, but they are anything but geometrically accurate bankers, horribly short. I have even tested this on both types of tables with a literal mirror in place.
On the other hand the Diamonds, at the other hall I play at occasionally, bank almost perfectly true geometrically...but they are VERY much newer tables. And I'm talking about slower pocket speed kinds of banks here. EVERY table comes up grossly short at higher speeds, that is just the nature of cushioned banks. Announcers often call that 'stiffening the bank'. Obviously you can also modify object ball shots with induced English as well. When I use a real or imagined ghost table to bank I add another entire diamond to the aim point to pocket the ball. I'm not challenging your experience, just saying it's completely contrary to mine. It doesn't really matter either way, you just have to play the table you are playing, in every case, not just banking.
The funny part of this story is the proprietor at the hall that exclusively uses diamonds (primarily bar tables, unfortunately, but this was on the 9') took notice of what I was doing and fired a thumbs up when it dropped. I laughed.
I almost never hear the pros glow as appreciatively about Brunswick tables the way they do Diamonds, either, but obviously there might be some sponsoring bias there, at least during matches they are sponsoring.
I like the olhausens
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Even the table on TV you can see the ball deviate off course a little.
@@MrJdsenior tt66 ť
Allen is a personal friend and has been for over 35 years. What most people that are these matches don’t realize is that Allen had pretty much quit playing competitively on the tour and would only play occasionally in a tournament if the spirit moved him. He quite simply was one of the greatest pool ambassadors for the sport that ever lived. And for those that don’t know the guy is absolutely legendary for taking down some of the biggest scores ever when it came to gambling on pool. Say what you want about his stroke but when the money was on the line in his heyday this guy was as fierce a competitor as you could find and he usually got all the cash. There just wasn’t any dog in him and believe me I’ve traveled around the country staking some big names for tons of cash and Allen just never rattled. And don’t get me started on how intelligent and sharp he was!!! Truly a legend but you prob won’t ever see much of him playing at that level during these early TV years.
Yea it would be nice to survive and be also grateful to fans like Allison Fisher and Lori Jon was. He was not that.
@@malakingdude what is it that your trying to say?? Let’s not be cryptic
Efren Reyes is a master geometer and executor. Look at him at 5:38 lay down the almost exact path the cue ball will take. That's his 3-cushion experience coming in there.
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I love these one and a half hour matches 👍
Great quality, Pat! Lighting, commentary, and camera work were exceptional. Especially for 30 years ago!
agreed. a trailblazer still going strong!
😊
1:20:32 Efren took a LOOOOOONG time racking those balls. Allen seemed miffed
Efren is not just a pool player, he is an artist.
I forgot how ridiculous Hopkins' stroke was.
@15:17
You spelled poke wrong
I'd never let a beginner watch him play. lol.
@@michaeldao1 lol
Mark Wilson, "A good stroke has 1.2 to 1.8 second pause before striking the cue ball" Allen Hopkins, ".2 to point .8 seconds you say?"
Efren Bata Reyes is the Greatest Pool Player Of All Time 💯
Lllp
Yes he is the only sport where every agrees
A Pool Tournament should be created called The Efren Reyes Cup, all rules apply with one exception: No jump cues allowed, no jump shots allowed.
Amen.
I agree
I see your point but it is not easy to make a successful jump shot, so I think that anyone who is able to make successful jump shot should be allowed to.
A Pool Tournament should be created called 'Kiss Efren Reyes's Ass Cup'. All rules apply with one exception: No one who ever played pool before Efren Reyes Ever Existed From Now On. And Especially ANYONE who Ever competed against Efren Reyes is allowed Any References to the fact that those people Ever were pro pool or billiards players. They are Invalid to the world and history of pool and other billiards just by virtue of the fact that Efren Reyes Existed as a pro pool/ billiards player.
..AH is a straight shooter but that push stroke is kinda strange IMO
I agree, that push stroke is strange, and I am shocked a pro does it. Someone should have coached him a long time ago to change that stroke, I think it hurts his game, and it kinda makes him look dumb for doing it.
I knew a guy that used to bridge with an open bridge between his 1st and 2nd knuckle, and it was the strangest thing I have ever seen. I used to make fun of him for it, and I started calling him knuckle bridge. And it failed him a lot too, I beat him pretty much every time I played him.
Awesome old skool treasure 👍🏼👍🏼! Another awesome presentation Accu-Stats 👍🏼
Thanks for watching
Someone give that commentor a Kleenex. His oral is making my cold worse. Get a flu shot you nut bag.
@@AccuStats no ty
Allen wasn't playing a lot in this time frame. One of the best $$ players the game has seen. Playing 1p for big $$ he was a beast. Had very little dog in him. You had to beat him.
Yeah, he used a punch stroke when I saw him in Kentucky years ago
You are shading the table
Oh hi Allen
has he beaten anyone noteworthy I think not
@@geoffh4578 Jimmy Caras, Steve mizerak, Earl, Cory, Dave matlock, Jose parica, Richie Florence. He is in the BCA HOF and One Pocket HOF. You have no clue what you are saying. He has played and won against anyone you can think of from the 70's to the 90's
Thank you for the awesome match and great commentary. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Efren is so natural and magic…..Hopkins I reckonI could give him a game
That 2 ball at 27:45 was a thing of beauty.
he teach us a new positional route
1:11:54 1st guy - "He hit it good". 2nd guy - "No, he wants to drift below and under the 7." He did drift below and under the 7, just like the 1st guy said. This 2nd guy has talked down to #1 the entire match.
dude has a cold too.. iLL in the head does that.
100% correct, Emran was lucky Allan perfect, I know who was lucky pity one commentator couldn't bring himself to say it honestly, Allan couldn't tie Efran shoes
Very good !
I am of TINGUA , Nova Iguaçu , Valas negras of Janeiro at December .
Congratulatons !
Thank you very much!
Efren - headscratch 😃
Allen - backscratch 😁
Yeey there it is i'm waitng for this thank you so much.
allan hopkins has the worst stroke I've ever seen..he just stabs the ball, its amazing that he plays at such a high level
You beat me to it. I am amazed he can make any balls at all. Almost impossible for him to get any draw when needed. His safety game was very good though.
@@onnyt60 he won the 9 ball championship twice, and the straight pool championship..It boggles the mind..
What he does is strike the cue ball with a high level of accuracy and consistency. And precision
@@onnyt60 yeah but he did a massive draw shot in this match
yes, he has a really bad cue grip. it doesn't suit him to play billiards at all...
Efren Reyes is the GOAT. He should have a life-sized statue of himself.
Efren Bata reyes,,,is an hustler,,
@1:17:00 he litterally pointed at where he wanted the 1 ball to be @1:16:47 . That wasn't fortune boys.
I am an avid fan of Efren "Bata" Reyes in billiard, one of the greatest player
a lot of people don't know "bata" means "cat face" in filipino.
Congratulations Efren Bata Reyes
Howard Vickery was a good commentator! Very pleasant and knowledgable.
Also, Howard did seven years in prison. My cousin was locked up with him.
@@darrellmccall6100 I will have to read up on him. Thanks.
@@darrellmccall6100 Child molestation. Jeebus.
@@robertreese2600 Right….he was a punk in the joint.
@@robertreese2600 😂
im watching it naw pat. thx man . im late i was playing with some friends video games and stuff like that . was a great night
I have read some silly comments below. They criticize Hopkins' stroke ... Guys, this man has a 410 straight pool record ... I don't know if you realize ... He is a world champion in several specialties; he is one of the most successful players in the history of this game. He's one of the greatest in history ... Look what a comeback he was doing here ... Idolizing Reyes makes you lose track of things. You live in a virtual world. Technology has stoned you.
His credentials are being questioned. It's just crazy how he achieved everything he did with that stroke.
There’s no question Hopkins is a champion, but you can’t deny the fact that his stroke is ugly.
Oh, hi Allen, your stroke sucks but congratulations on what you achieved with it
His safety shots in this match is amazing, Efren needs a little bit of luck to get out on some of them cause Efren just shoots it like theres a 10 sec shot clock. whats up with that lol
If you subtract lucky rolls that Hopkins got bumping balls here and there it's hardly a comeback at all. Ugly stroke aside (it's not a beauty contest), it's obviously doesn't work: he's smashing the ball and barely getting one feet draw out of it, the timing is non-existent. But if they all played like this in that era, no wonders he got titles under his belt.
Efren is the greatest ever
Go go go efren sir god bless
*ALLEN HAS NOT CHANGED HIS HAIR STYLE SINCE HE WAS BORN. STILL SPORTING SAME DA 40 YEARS LATER, OMG*
Definitely more " creativity" using the red circle, more straight lines with the measle ball..❤️🙏👉🇺🇸👍
I enjoyed the narration on this one.
Beating Efren is very hard to do and only gonna happen if u play perfect pool & he makes a mistake
Efren doesnt make mistakes. If anything bad happens, it is the tables fault😂
@@janetairlines1351 haha right
Did efren break with his play cue ?
If nothing else, this is a good refresher course on How To Rack!😮😢
Hopkins should be called for pushing!
Like here 1:23:10
😂😂
Very enjoyable match.
Nice to watch the game on sanely-sized pockets. The current fascination with tiny targets has made pool a nut-hugging safety fest.
@@JohnSmith25115 Better move to china 'cause those things will never be popular anywhere else. Game is too slow already.
@@billenright2788 agreed chinese 8 ball is boring to watch
@@Lily-nr9zs Played and loved it for 40+yrs. Slow play is what ruins the game. Pool will always be a second-class niche sport if they don't speed it up.
@@0Caracalla Great to play i'm sure but its brutal to watch. So slow that matches end before completion due to them being so damn long.
@@Lily-nr9zs My ONLY reference is pool in the U.S. Don't give a flying fk about snooker or Chin. 8b.
I really can't stand Hopkin's stroke
Very good Effren Reyes
I wonder how Efren visualizes the ball he is aiming at. What makes him so good is that he rarely misses. To me, that means he has a way of visualizing the ball that allows him to hit it with amazing precision. It doesn't seem to mattee if its solids or stripes. Maybe he visualizes angles?
32:48
I forgot how weird a stroke Alan had. It was more a jab type of stroke not a nice smooth stroke like most pros have. Phenomenal pool player he was in the day. He could run with the best of them all day!
For sure steers the cue especially on any type of cut shot. Although using the bridge is textbook...What kind of bridge is that seems like they found a handle somewhere and stuck a bridge on it.
ppl with that "cue action" only good if they feel confident ,
when they crumbled they are no better than amateurs .
as the snooker phrase
"its not about how good your best is ,
"its about how good your worst is"
It's uncomfortable to watch. 😕
@@zereshgeresh257 some of the best players of all time have that stroke. Hopkins a HOF. You may not fully understand what makes a stroke good or bad.
@@jgallagher1359 Exactly. Just because nobody really plays that way now doesn't mean it's wrong. If you really need to cinch a shot you can shorten up the stroke like that and it helps you make it especially if you are nervous.
@3:47 he put the slug on him
Great match
Hopkins is unwatchable. Stroke puts me on tilt.
Frankly, it probably takes more skill to have such a stunted stroke and still be able to play well..
I think WTF every time i watch that stroke jajajaja
Julie kelly has the same stroke
He strokes and then locks up and punches its so fuckin strange.
Like his dead personality. Some things never change. The talk in rooms around Jersey is he is still extremely full of himself. Eventually the well runs dry.
Efren Reyes is the best of all pool players around the world, globe or universe!
Hopkins has that jabbing stroke.
Thanks for sharing this video it was a strange one.
Have to see the first shot after the break from Efren, watch the cue as it rolls out, that table isn't even level.. got to love it. Old School. Allen should be thanking Efren because clearly when Reyes had the lead he kind of was just relaxing, playing pool hall billiards. We have witnessed it over the last thirty years; Reyes is a cool customer. He could have finished this game 13 - Nil, if he had his mind set.
Hey, the announcer said in the stats that allen only had 1 scratch on the break, he sent the que ball off the table on early in the match too. I'll go back to watch again to double check but, i do believe it was a break shot...
I grew up idolizing Mosconi, Fats, and Hopkins. Pretty good company. I just hope nobody says I remind them of Mike Siegel.
Many don’t know. Allen had a table in tight area so he simply pushed with no back swing. Took him around the world!
Do you know this as actual fact or rumor? Very interesting!
@@MVPCustomCues I believe it was the great Billy InCardona that told me that who knows Allen well.
51:05 Guy in the red is quick with it haha
30:30 Efren going for the 1-9 kick combo, lmao. Absolutely mental.
28:30 u dont think so? i fucking do, i need to observe that shot EF played
Huh?
@@AccuStats more Reyes match from the 90s. plz
Should be a great game with expert players 👏 👍
Galing
Efren shooting 13 racks of practice with Alan Hopkins racking his balls for him. To
Allen, doesn’t practice if he could I belive he could stay with some very great players
Good
Allen won professional tournaments with his stroke
I hate at 1:13:30 how the commentator is talking about Efren's safety shot, I think they should be giving him credit for it as it wasn't an easy shot
Efren Reyes GOAT
Efren ahead 12-7, gave him a chance on the one ball. Giving the crowd their money s worth.
VERY SURPRISED ALLEN GOT 9 POINTS
Why? Allen was a 2 time US Open 9 ball champion defeating Mizerak and Sigel in the two finals. His high run in straight pool is 410. He wasn't playing much at this time and his stroke isn't conventional nor pretty, but he was a champion.
Hopkins was the best setter 😅😅😅
A lot of you are knocking Allen’s stroke but he has more world titles then any of you
The match itself is rather wonderful and highlights Efrem's abilities in the early '90s quite well. This stream is actually enhanced by the commentary. There is a lot of silence and humbleness and very few attempts to predict things that they just can't get right. I think this is because Howard Vicary was the right guest host to join Billy.
You should see the master copy of 29 years ago. This is much improved.
I'm watching this game a second time and I noticed my remark and removed it. I believe the problems that I experienced with the videos previously had more to do either with my phone or with the quality of my internet that day. I've also learned more about removing that difficulty. But I believe you about the quality of the original.
What is the session like
you bet on your pick..Ill bet on efren reyes...every time...
Can someone explain to me why is this a foul? @1:02:14
All these commercials trying to get us to buy UA-cam
Did he just threw efren's chalk inside the pocket at 0:14:55? @_@
Definitely did
Good catch, but seems like they didn't really had their personal chalks by that time, so he probably simply got rid of the bad one. Still a very stupid move to have your balls covered in chalk in that pocket.
I wasn't able to sit through 42 ad breaks.
You should sign up for UA-cam Premium. No commercials.
Or buy the DVD. What do you think?
@@AccuStats I think 42 ad breaks is ridiculous.
We have to make a buck to keep giving you FREE viewing, but as I said, there are other options. BTW, I would hate the commercials too, so I would spend the money so I wouldn't have them.
How did his opponent even get in the comp
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WTH was that stroke by Hopkins at 31:32? That was just plain weird. I can see why he was playing like he was previously if he was doing much of that. His stats up to that point were HORRIBLE, especially for a player the likes of him.
"It doesn't matter who you are playing, you gotta shoot the shot that's there"
Truer words were never spoken, at least for the offensive aspect. Not as true for the defensive, where you try to shoot to your opponents weaknesses, especially non pros, where they usually abound (they certainly do in my case :-/).
"Some people say it's heavier" LOL...either it is or it isn't..they make these things called scales, and very accurate ones if you so choose. It's not like it's hard to measure, objectively and definitively. I always find it funny that people have 'opinions' on such things, like somehow their opinion has any bearing on the reality. Subjective stuff you can have opinions on, this, not so much. :-/ :-) I wrote this before the other announcer chimed in with the answer. The thing that struck me most about the answer was the "varies in weight part"...not good, makes me wonder how good their other quality control is on that ball (diameter, roundness, etc.). I know even top tier ball manufacturers do 'hand' match balls for diameter and weight, but since he called this out on ONE of the ball types, my thought would be to avoid them, personally, unless they tend to run 'truer' than the other choice...that is the MAIN goal, IMHO.
It's like one day I walked by and heard a handful of other engineers 'brainstorming' what a problem with a circuit might be. I said something like, "why don't you just hook up a damned scope and SEE what it is?". I got some dirty looks, some smiles, and one laugh. I expect the laugh came from someone thinking the same thing I was but was more reticent to voice it.
You do not have a level of knowledge to critique Hopkins stroke to the degree you are. That twisting motion...it's possible he's using it all the time for a variety of effects. The shot you're referring to he got perfect position on. My guess is that is a common part of his stroke.
As for the rest of it...you're on the right track but grabbing bits and pieces of language and taking it hyper literally and/or removing an understood context.
The part that you're on the right track about is that people do not like thinking through things to the extent that is needed for super high quality. So as a counter they just kind of act like things have been done correctly.
You remind me of a black pastor I used to know. You say a whole bunch of words without really saying anything at all.
@@noway9426 Well, you remind me of a person that can read something that says quite a lot, and can't begin to understand any of it, so he hurls attempts at insults, which BTW I found quite funny. That was truly a sorry attempt at trolling. :-)
I fed you once here, for grins, but I won't feed you again. And oh, BTW, nice job getting a little bigotry in, as well. What you actually remind me of is someone that could seriously use some higher level education, if that is possible.
Read some Dunning Kruger, it should explain a lot to you, or maybe not. Come to think of it, considering your comment, don't bother.
COOL
don't know why they don't show game count more. I haven't seen it in a couple of games.
oh, i had it covered up. my bad.
I also noticed that I can tell each ball by the color. Not easy to do these days.
reckon if efren’s shirt was any bigger it would be a gown lmao
I dont think efren actually tried against this guy. Feels like efren purposely made mistakes just to give him time at the table
Ok, I need to make a correction, allen's first scratch was from a jump shot attempt however, it's still a scratch!
Lol, i don't think the announcer with the runny nose has a cold though, he may very well have been self-medicating!!😂
Hopkins stroke looks terrible - punching at everything! He is so close to the cue ball that he can't even draw back more than 6". Weak as rain from a former champion!
But that stroke worked for him when he was a champion.
The guys on commentary sure are making a lot of excuses for Hopkins. To me it looks like he is intimidated by Efren, and he knows he can not miss or he will lose. I call it playing scared, I see it happen all the time. I am a really good player who plays at the masters level, and I see guys who are very good play me and shoot terrible, because they know if they miss I will run out, and that puts pressure on them to play great and a lot of the time they choke.
Then the same guy will play someone not as good as me and run out almost every game on them, when there is no pressure to play great. Hopkins is playing scared, and choking under the pressure of playing Efren, back then Efren was the #1 player in the world and he was beating everyone.
Hopkins never had a chance
Parang mas magaling pa yata ako dyan sa kalaban ni efren ah😂
Kawawa naman yong kalaban tagaayos lang Ng bola
1:02:14 Reyes hit the one ball w/o hitting any other ball.. How the hell is that a foul??🙄
didn't get a rail after.. pfff.. he hit like 19 rails!
I believe that Efrén Reyes has telekinesis when he concentrates on playing well and can dominate the balls mentally, although Efrén must not know that he has telekinesis unconsciously. What is certain is that Efrén Reyes' destiny is to be the best pool player in the world despite the fact that he has lost pool games because he does not concentrate well.
Ive said for years, I think Bill Incardona is the worst possible announcer. Over and incorrectly analyzes shots, gives opinions vastly different than the players that are greatly superior to his talent and argues with every announcer he works with. He is why I will not pay for anything from accu-stats........ Hope he retires or gets fired soon
billy incardona talks alot of shit about the decisions players make when said players are better than him
8:49 Not hard to see she's an Allen Hopkins fan. If that was Earl Strickland playing, she'd be cussed out and possibly punched in the mouth
Earl doesn't throw punches. He is all talk. WHen Jeremy Jones asked him to step outside, Earl ran crying to the official that he was being threatened.
I knew Effren was strong, I thought Al was stronger maybe he should have followed through on his cueing? ...................:)
This stroke is so awful, my coach would have beaten the shit out of me. 🤭
His stroke took him to the Hall of Fame, while your stroke probably never took you anywhere.
it's not awful. it's just different technique than the way your coach teaches you.
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@@DominiKing32 Any junior with a proper modern stroke would be in the Hall of Fame if you throw him in that era :)
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Dude....blow your friggin' nose. Hahaha.
another great player that i cannot watch because his sloppiness makes me cringe- mike lebron and kieth mccready too, i feel my game getting worse just watching them.
you probably need to watch them more. to learn how to actually play the game.
sometimes i'll play lefty to not get fixated on my stroke and realize there are 1000 ways to get out.