Roland Boutique JU-06 Sonic LAB Review
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2015
- Roland's new Boutique range aims to emulate some classic poly synths, with the JU-06 the Juno 106 - how did they do?
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A 4 voice polyphony! Nice. As soon as I get back to 1986 I'll buy one of those.
This stuff really helps me understand what to look for in a synth. There are soooo many choices nowadays and understanding the features in depth is super important!
Thank you so much Sonicstate!
You have the best, most informative, useful reviews of gear on the planet. thanks and cheers.
Nick is absolutely the best.
Roland did a fantastic job on these. They don't sound 100% like the originals, but they sound close enough, and, most importantly, they sound how I REMEMBER the originals sounding. That is, they have the same character and vibe, and are incredible musical. I owned a JX3P for 20 years, and a 106 for 5 years, and have since sold both. I've picked up the JX03 and JU06, and I absolutely love them both. Sure, they could do with some more performance-orientated control, but for the the price and size, they are wonderful, capable machines full of useful options.
We did thankfully get those cc modes for the Boutiques in the end
Sonicstate, best JU 06 review so far. As expected.
I think we should take up a collection to help Nick get his 106 serviced. :)
+Pete Brown It's the power filter caps. I can hear the electrolyte boiling out of them. ;)
+Admiral Quality The issue with this 106 is the voice chips are dying. Just like every other 106 out there. Get those replaced and it'll sound wonderful =o]
+Larry Kleinke I've seen that happen and it didn't cause noise like that. You usually lose functionality or entire voices. (On my old music partner's '106 it caused several voices to not make any waveshape except a narrow pulsewidth. So we built a song around it! ;) )
+Pete Brown I had mine fixed back in 2008 still works great. synthspa.com/juno106_voicechips.html
I had a 106 with occasional crackling noise. I wish I kept it.
Brilliant review! Thank you! I can't wait to get these asap!
A Great review, Nick. Just waiting to hear/see the jx03 and jp08 boutique reviews.
great and honest review - as always. thank you, nick
The sequencer responds to transport control. What I've enjoyed doing is having the JX-03 controlled by the Analog Keys, using it as another 16-step track, 4-voice addition to the AK. The two sound fantastic together, and the delay and reverb on the AK sound great on the 03. I'll be doing a live performance next week using this set up along with a looping pedal. Tons of possibilities for live improv with this tiny set up.
very nice review, I purchased a JU-06 before you posted this video. Thanks for the comparisons.
I LOVE the JU06! Super lush and simple to use. Great demo!
Wonderfully insightful as always, Nick. Let's hope that the Roland engineering team implements the improved performance functionality and MIDI continuous controller compatibility for the faders.
Peace.
I've got one of these and its superb!! Good review man :)
thank you for great work you guys did. liked and subscribed.
My first synth was a Juno-6 (damn I learned a LOT on that thing!), and never realized the 106 had the addition of portamento(!) Great review (as per usual). My next synth was a JP-6. Part of me wishes I'd never sold it... after 17 years use.
The best electronic device reviews on YT. Thanks :)
Such a good emulation. If you want the legendary sound, sliders, sequencer I think this is rather good. There's some folks out there already controlling MIDI CC's..so velocity can be achieved. I think there's probably 4 people in the world that could distinguish the differences in a blindfold test.
Nice review once more Nick thanks, been waiting for you to take a look at these units. I've pre-ordered this and a JP-08 myself, and although the price is really good for what you get, I am disappointed to see you can't externally modulate any of the slider parameters though. Ahh well, I guess you can't have everything!
Maybe Roland will allow this in a software update, I really do hope so, as it is so fundamental to exploring their full performance potential.
They have certainly done a great job updating/extending the AIRA series functionality that way.
And I particularly love that Tomita-esque "submarine radar" like sound at 10.58.
I contacted roland about the lack of CC and this was the response they sent me. Hope it happens :P
"We have already been letting the engineering teams in Japan know that users could use more options via MIDI, so we are hoping they could release an update in the future to add some of these types of features. We can't promise anything, but are hoping.
Best Regards,
Product Support
Roland Corp. U.S."
CCs for DAW automation, and for the buttons and sliders to be used to control other synths via USB MIDI would be a no brainier. I'd buy it immediately.
+pheotus this is a pretty big omission for sure, it kindof baffles me - anyways Roland seems to be on top of the firmware stuff with the Aira's so surely they're willing to take the time to add a bit to these as well - it will make the reviews even more glowing!
+kassie2k4 The System 1 transmits most of the useful Midi CC messages, i.e., filter cutoff, resonance, etc. I contacted Roland about the JX-03 weeks ago and they pointed me to its more sparse midi implementation worksheet. This is one sticky point from an otherwise well thought out, fairly well implemented product.
I LOVE my JP-08 And plan on getting the JU-06 i hope they have a software update.
Hoping, does not guarantee sales, they should pull their finger out and sort it or at the least commit to it. Let's be honest they are supposed to be the experts how an earth did that pass through to release without controllable parameters? Cash in with minimum expense that's how!
Good review Nick, as always. I think they sound very nice and have been modelled well. I personally will be skipping these little synths though but for many people I can see these being put to great use.
Great review Nick ;) Just testing for Synth Anatomy the Plugout Synthesizer from Roland. There are already very good
Excellent review... as usual :-) Thanks
Very nice review. Also at 14:04 I couldn't stop hearing Rufige Kru - Dark Metal.
Very well explained good technical experience on synths.
Great review. It sounds pretty authentic, but editing looks painful. Really wish they would bring out bigger versions of these. Good that they are modules, so the prospect of an 88 note Juno with weighted keys is now possible :)
18:05 I love that you refer to your Juno 106 as an old lady Nick! 😍 haha (and 8:30) Thanks for all these amazing reviews over the years!
So it's actually a JU-04?
Its a deceiving name for sure
Honestly with the used prices of them now I’d just get another one and poly chain it,
8 voices of Roland’s ACB tech for under 500 dollars is a great deal
Nice. Big effort as usual. The chorus comparison was good and it sounds pretty good. More comparison I would like to hear is with the filter open or swept. I don't think there was any patch where the filter was open much at all or swept. In other demo videos they sound pretty good when static and filter closed (JP-08 too) but not when filter is opened. The other comparison I would have liked is polyphony, the demo was almost exclusively monophonic. The DCO interaction with each other is a major part of the Juno sound.
oh look at that poor poor 106, it must have gone through hell and back :)
+ollilaboratories Looks like mine :(
if they can't make a replica that makes the price of the original drop, they should try harder.
Laughed way too hard at this...
The type of people who buy expensive vintage synths rarely buy them for the sound
Great review! The sound has exceeded my expectations. I particularly like the sounds starting at 11:55. However, there really should be more control possibilities including CV/Pedal Ins. Instead having an optional flimsy keyboard, a CV expander (similar to the ones Moog made) routable to the Boutique modules makes more sense to me- especially considering Roland's recent foray into the world of Eurorack modular.
+Steven Morris If they had implemented even basic CV pitch/gate in/out, every eurorack geek and their mother would have bought one.
Acetonise 106's 80017a chips Nick ! nice review ;)
it's about time!!!
the "a little bit more..... low, low....." expression is priceless. Almost wanted to say balls of fire i think... :-)
Both these videos are excellent! Thanks!
How about JX-03...?
Thank you for this review. But why have you left out the JX-03, which is the most interesting of the Boutiques, if you ask me?
Of course the 106 is beefier than the JU06, but I think the JU-06 would be very fun to take with you and play at a park with headphones. If you're concerned about the low end, that can be fixed to some extent using effects such as a simple low end boost EQ or Waves LoAir.
Nice review m8
I used to own a Juno 106 - 1985 build year I think. It was in perfect condition inside and out, but the voice chips started dying. Replaced one of them, it all worked for about a week, then a second voice chip went, so I replaced that one as well.
After those two I just got sick of keeping the thing maintained. Soldering a 30 year old circuit board and then calibrating each chip with a scope just made me want to murder something. The clone chips are damn expensive, too. So to hear that this JU06 sounds almost identical to the real thing (bar a slight different in volume) means I'll be ordering two of them ASAP so I can daisy chain them together for 8 voices.
ju06 looks interesting, might pick one up
always great
Nick, you're one of the only people that I'd tolerate a crackling synth in a review XD
Barebones MIDI implementation?! What the hell... Clearly everyone will want to use this with an external controller. Absolutely fucked that up.
And using those touch sliders instead of the classic, much-appreciated, tried and true, X-Y Roland pitch/mod, that was a fuck up, though I imagine everyone will be using this with a MIDI controller other than the joke of a keyboard they are trying to hawk with it.
Built-in delay is a good call, though.
Your review of this is what I've been waiting for to really see how these stand up! I'll wait to see your take on the Jupiter-8 version, but I think I'm going to have to go with an *Audiothingies P6* in the end for my next analog-modelling poly. But I do congratulate Roland on a mostly well done job with the ABC technology. It does sound exactly how I'd want it. Too bad about the performance issues.
I posted the complete SysEx chart on Roland Clan forums if anyone is interested. Good to here that Roland may implement CC in the Boutiques but they are sending 8bit (0-255) rather than CC (0-127) so even if implemented you may loose some resolution. Been playing with all 3 for the last 3 weeks and very happy. Great review Nick... waiting for the JP-08 review which so far is my least favorite although lots of fun
Meant to say, the complete SYSEX for the sliders and knobs... still to complete the switches as I have been using Kenton Control Freak to allow greater control of the small faders on all 3 boutiques.
So I was considering a Juno boutique but as soon as the 106 bass came on I was pretty sure of which I will get. Great review though, the patches are just deligthfull
spacezignul but the hassle of a 106? Is it worth it when you're almost there?
Great Review! Must has one of those babies (if not all). Please get that poor Juno 106 fixed, I seem to remember mine going the same way,
there was an Update last year which - according to the Version History - says, that it now reacts to Control Change. Does that mean that it finally receives and processes MIDI-CCs? Like the sound, but no MIDI-CC would be a no go
If in Chain mode they have perfect Unison of controls through midi there has to be a way to access them through a firmware tweak.
I got the JU & the JX, one thing I hated was the modelled Chorus noise...
Check out the Manuals at Roland, they have been updated, and you can now turn off that noise, and use C2 ribbon as Mod Hold
i like that intro patch
Anyone: can the sequencer of these Roland Boutiques be used to control external hardware and/or soft synths?
Does it send out the note on/off and tempo sync? THX
That Juno 106 has failing VCF/ VCA hybrid chips; when they fail the voices can crackle, stick on or go silent. As an ex Roland senior engineer, I know this very well.
That sucks man do you think its worth it for 200? I just brought one lol
@@GullySyde28 200 what, Reals, Dollars, pounds? I would say definately in all cases
Hi Nick,
any news on the sync with the MX1? I mean if is a ACB device. Will i be able to sync it to my MX1 like the tr8 or system 1?
Damn! Good one! Doing retrowave and 80's sound design and Depeche Mode like stuff also music like Electric Youth. Need of good pads, melodies and sawwy basslines (I do have Polysix software version with the fat line bass), that kind of stuff.
Comparing Uhe Diva, Behringer DM-12 (upcoming) and this JU-06 ...which one would you pick in terms of...playability, ease of use and varieties of sound/pads etc if you had to pick 1 or 2? Like the display of DM12 and ofc Diva. Thanks for the good review!
The 4 voice poly is a big killer for me. And no, I am not going to chain two together. I hope they come out with a JU-08 eight voice model. Then I would be a player.
+mattsynth A couple of my favorite synths are only 4 voices: MS-2000 and Analog Keys. These Boutique units work quite well with the limitation. With creative uses of delay and reverb you can still do pads with long tails, and by using the 4-voice limitation as a sound design feature, rather than a limitation, interesting things can be done.
+John Smith Not at all. Limitations often breed creativity. The most creative time in my life was when I was recording music using a broken 4-track, a guitar with only 4 strings, shoes in a dryer for drums, and a $5 mic purchased at Radioshack. Recorded 8 albums with this set up and other similarly-limited set ups.
The best synth patch I've ever made was made on the Microkorg, and uses the 4-voice limitation as part of its design. This is all while owning and using dozens of more complex synths with more features.
Creativity flourishes with limitations, and is often killed by endless possibilities and features.
+Daniel Davis
Two bass notes and a triad is the least amount of notes I would use for a pad. This is why most great analog synths are 6 or 8 voices. I also have a Analog Four but I only use it for mono sequencing like it was designed to do. Juno's were great pad synths because they had 6 voices so why would Roland not make this at least 6 voice? I think they fell short on this one in quite a few areas. I will save my money for an 6 or 8 voice model and better CC control.
+mattsynth Whatever works for you, works for you. That's the only criteria one should follow when purchasing the tools needed for creative projects.
I made this album (one of my personal favorites) with the Microkorg as the only synth - I'm sure you'll agree that the 4-voice limitation isn't noticed.
carlsagansghost.bandcamp.com/album/korgambient
So that works for me. :)
You're right. I bow to you, all knowing synth master.
nick, does it come with the 1/8'' Y audio cable?, you didnt state that, you just said it doesnt come with the Micro USB cable.
System 1 Boutique plug outs anyone ? - nice review Nik, looking forward to the Jup & JX reviews... The JU-06 is nice & all, but it's no Juno 60 :(
+kvfive maybe after these supposedly "limited editions" run out they'll port them over to the system-1 :) it sounds like a good idea to me
Damn I will have to shell out £1000 for one now plus find a double window ledge to plonk it on
+kassie2k4 Wouldn't surprise me. I'm holding on to that thought!
+kassie2k4 My guess is that they were originally intended as plugouts, but they had an warehouse full of 16-bit/44khz DACs to get rid of, so they made this product line. Why else would they only promise these in limited edition?
Hi there! I have a small but important cuestion: Can the 08 do all the stuff that 06 does? I think is possible for the two oscilators that 08 have... i really can use some help on this one.. thank for read and answer!!!
Can you use the chorus for a signal coming into the Ju-06 via the input on the back?
Oh, and we're waiting for the JX-03 review.... PLEASE ;)
I have to agree with you. I always admired (from afar) the performance aspect of the JUNO 106. So in my opinion, I think they really screwed the pooch on this. I went with the JU-06 over the JU-06A just to get a little closer to that by having the pitch/mod at least standalone. But the ribbon style is just not *nearly* close to the same feel
Hey so if I’m using these live going into a di or an amp. Do I need to do something to boost the 3.8 to line level or something? Any help would be appreciated.
Great video - just got one of these off or Reverb - wondering what kind of keyboard controller you are using...? Thanks so much for your insight and videos!
Hey man i just one up from my local. I use a keystep 37
Is the orange USB cable you're using in this review from the CME Xkey?
11:50 got me in the feels idk why
Dialing in the sequencer speed with the slider is interesting..... but is there a way to dial in an exact BPM? I didnt see the LED Screen displaying anything when he was adjusting the speed. I'm guessing arp. Speed is separate from tempo?
Very nice review! I want one. Just a side note, the clicky keys from the controller are really intrusive when trying to really listen to the sounds....
Helllo sonicstate, can i ask something about my JX-03, how to
clock the sequencer with my tr8. they are connected over MIDI cable out
from TR8 and in JX-03 but when i change the BPM of my drummashine the
sequencer of JX does not respond. It does not receive the Midi clock ,
why ? Thanks
Hi Nick, just wondering - you mentioned it has limited midi capabilities. Can you send patch changes to it via midi?
Hi Nick. What kind of output cable did you use in this video? Obviously 3.5mm jack on one end, but how did you connect it to the audio interface? I just bought one and i get a lot of noise. I use a 3.5mm jack to rca, and then rca to 6.5mm jack plug. Tested with two different cables but noise non the less. Theres no noise when i use a headset. Hope you have time to help med :)
Nice video! how did you connect the xkey keyboard?
Hi, I know that if I modify an existing patch I can save it overwriting it, but if I create e new patch starting from manual mode, how can I save it? Thanks a lot.
Will this be compatible with the usb slots in the Roland Mx-1 (audio&midi) ? would be nice:)
Damn close!!
What cords are you using exactly to power and output? I'm having trouble with my ju 06 with white noise and feedback?
Is it possible to transpose the sequences liek on the JX-3P or Sh-101 ??
Hmmm... Roland do You hear Us? We need Juno 106 Mark II :) Not Juno 106 Mark 1/2 .... So Juno 106 with Kiwi is still the king of this category. I think after this release, all Juno 106 prices will be in the sky :) You will read on the ebay: Is not JU-06! Btw nice toy and on couple of other side, well done. I like this compact format.
106 is the sweetest sounding synth ever made
Repair on the 106 'should' be fairly easy. (my career was in electronics repair) Just change out the capacitors, keeping note of the polarity with a dot on the board for the negative side if it's not marked on the main boards. They sound dried out and just do a good cleaning of the contacts for the keys, sliders and all pots with a 91% isopropl alcohol. After they are cleaned over, spray a microfiber cloth with good 'ole WD-40 and wipe them down leaving a very thin layer on it all and that should do it. Generally it's the capacitors that will be the majority of it's issues. Also, check all the soldering around the IC's, limiting resistors and everything in the power supply as heat will cause the solder to haze and slightly detach from the main board pads and the components soldered. Had to do all this to a Roland Poly 800 a few years back. Once it's all cleaned and re-lubed, you should wind up with it sounding like it came out of the box new again. :) (WELL worth the effort, i believe... i'd do it)
the juno-106's hpf gives a low boost when set to 0. i wonder if the ju-06 does the same
Does anyone know if this will load Juno 106 original patches? When I had my Juno I did have trouble with midi quest 11 to get patches to dump to/from it via midi sysex but i imagine it was/is possible to backup sysex patch sets. would be great to be able to do that here.
It’s all about the chorus! 🎶🕶✌🏻
Looking to get a new 'toy' but already own the Tal U No LX soft synth, so not sure if this is worth it. Nick, have you compared them at all?
i really dont need more synths but this thing sounds really nice.
Were any effects used? Or is the reverb built-in?
sounds good to me
What is the preset used at the beginning of the video called ?
It sounds better than my Jubo 6 Very nice bit of kit.
I'd like to see a full-size, 5-octave version of these; maybe all 3 in one large box will larger faders and knobs, or a hybrid of them taking the chorus from Juno, and best features of other two combined..
What causes the crackling noise and how do you get rid of it? See 4:03
Hi everybody!does anyone know if it's possible to sync midi clock via usb as well? In practice, i have AR and OP-1 in Ableton via Overhub...can i sync JU-06 into it the same way???thank you so much in advance
Helo
can you record chords to the sequencer on the fly?
Thank you
Thanx for insight into a shortcoming that I was curious about- without the filter tweak via 8192 Pitchbend I'm out as far as this one goes, zipper noise not for me. ICK!
Equivalent to Korg Volca series? Modular?
Can somebody tell me the name of the keyboard used in this video ? Thank you in advance
quick question! can you chain modules that are that are not the same model, like a ju 06 and an 08... it feels like such a waste to have two of the same when one is only a slave
would love to know how it compares to existing emulations
Today is May 25th 2018 and I just ordered a JU-06 for $460. The price is going up by the day it seems. Only 2 on amazon. One for $780, the other brand new over $1500.
can the sequencer play poly or is it only mono?